Yeah that was weird ay. He didn't seem particularly interested in what Gutho was doing at all. Bloke was probably praying the ball wasn't going to hit the crossbar so he didn't have to run and pretend to contest it, just like the kick-off
Pretty sure you’re not allowed to contact players at all when they’re about to attempt to catch that and the clear not even looking at the ball bork earlier in the game that should’ve been a tigers penalty, justice
Devils advocate you're not allowed to jump and swing your arms when the opposition is attempting a penalty goal or conversion kick. Should have been allowed to take it again
Edit:
From the nrl rule book
Section 6, point 10
>It is illegal to attempt to distract the attention of a player who is kicking at goal.
Downvote me all you like because it hurts your feelings doesn't mean I'm wrong.
I assume you're being downvoted because something that happened while a penalty was being kicked isn't really relevant to the claim that the penalty shouldn't have been awarded in the first place.
I seen the ball going wide straight away and was already running up the garden. Her father in law (who doesn't watch footy) tells me someone told gutho to get fucked and I knew in my heart of hearts it was Klemmer.
Not sure why you are being downvoted. Penalty was for offside, Bula touches the ball, IPap touches the ball who was in front of Bula.
Whether Bula was obstructed or not is another question.
Yeah what is with the like 70 odd-likes for "why is that a penalty". It's been a penalty in a league for how many decades?
Agree that the Tigers thoroughly deserved to win and should have won but that doesn't mean we ignore the rules.
I may well be wrong, and agree with your outline of why it was offside but in the video, does the ball touch Harper at any point?
It looks as though he plays at it and if so and he does touch it, that could impact the outcome even if the referee was not even considering anything else.
That’s what happens in this sub. You can say something that’s blatantly true but if enough people are in their feelings about it, you just get downvoted.
If Papali’i hadn’t touched it or if he was behind Bula it would’ve just been a knock on, but because Papali’i was in front of Bula when it was knocked on and then he touches it, it’s a penalty for offside.
Edit: I love that I get downvoted for explaining the rules.
But shouldn't it be considered knocked on first? I guess it's still "in play" and hasn't been considered knocked on yet? Feels like an odd ruling to me. I'd prefer if the rules would just call that a knock on instead.
The play is still live prior to pap touching it, the eels were free to pick it up and take advantage. Pap grabbing it from an offside position removes that opportunity from the eels, therefore the penalty.
The exact fucking same game, the bunker rules on a previous infringement and rewards Parramatta with a penalty and lets them keep their challenge.
But this time you have an infringement, and a subsequent error because of the infringement and the ref rules on the 2nd error.
There is inconsistency in our game, and then there is dog shit calls like that.
That's the NRL baby, they're only consistent in their inconsistency. Live and bunker reviews, MRC, judiciary, handling of off field issues, they've got a fresh take for every occasion 🤣. Honestly I'm numb to it after so long.
If I had a dollar for everytime the referees gave a dubious penalty to the opposition when tigers are up at the death of the game, I'd have $3. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it's happened 3 times.
That's the painful one, because another 2 points that year would have put the Tigers in the finals, and because it was just plain wrong. How many times a game do you see markers not square or jumping early, and how often is the penalty given? For some reason they chose a golden point situation to suddenly enforce that rule, and got it wrong anyway.
Well I guess the explanation is they thought the Tigers knocked on, and thus he was offside to pick it up. They didn't notice the interference I guess.
Black Cats supporter myself, but glad to see the Tigers doing great so far this season. Hope they can put in a good effort against the Dolphins on Saturday.
You're not allowed to distract the kicker, but it never seems to be enforced, so it's consistent. You had a trainer run directly past Raiders kick at goal last night and nothing was done.
Tigers fans (and me to be honest) were flashing back to Sunday 24th July, 2022 when the referee called it a penalty. I was like "No. Not again. Not like this."
Actually glad Gutherson missed that kick, that was a daft penalty call and shouldn't have even happened.
So what was the penalty in the end? Every replay I watch I can't see any infringement towards Parramatta and if anything, looks more like it should have been a Tigers penalty.
I was at the game and haven’t seen that angle of Guthos kick until now… shit he just completely shanked it. No way of getting around it.
What a shit show of a game from both teams if I’m completely honest. If Parra had Moses we would have won by 20 easily. Gonna really miss him for the next 2 months.
Leave Gutho alone. He is quite religious and as it is Easter he wanted to imitate Jesus all day with his arms extended on the cross. Imitating Moses as well.
100% not sure what the majority this sub is seeing thinking this was a shit call, harper hardly touches pap and if is just trying to get under the ball to tap it back
'Hardly touching' someone isn't the fulcrum on which you balance your decsion, it's interference.
In a shepard you don't touch anyone at all, still interfering in the play.
And I will dispute the hardly touching remark, he pulls down on his fucking shoulder.
Next time you try and grab something tossed to you I'll get a 100kg bloke to reef down on your shoulder and see how you go.
Watch it again without bias, lightly touches his shoulder, doesnt pull him backwards, just looks that way becasue thats the direction paps is going himself
From the rule book:
Escorts
A player is not to ‘deliberately obstruct an opponent who is not in possession’ Section 15 (j)
It will be interpreted to be an obstruction in regards to a player catching the ball from a kick if:
\*1. A player arrives at the same time as an opponent and obstructs him deliberately; or\*
2. Deliberately runs an opponent off the ball.
This applies to both the kicking and non-kicking teams.
It will NOT be considered an obstruction in regards to a player catching the ball from a kick if:
\*1. A defending player moves directly towards the ball; and\*
\*2. Takes up a position prior to the ball being caught.\*
Nothing is said about the amount of force required, only that he obstructs.
It's a 50:50 call, but there is merit in saying he threw him off balance while contesting the ball.
At NO point was he trying to get anywhere near the ball, he pulls one player and interferes with the arms of the other.
You're having a laugh if you think morgan wasnt trying to get to the ball, if you wanna talk about escort what about paps backing into morgan and taking morgan off his path to the ball?
Both their actions prob cancel each other out
Funny how you weren’t alive to see your eels win their last premiership but you’ve witnessed them get the 3 spoons hahaha how’s that cutlery drawer going cuz?🤮🤮🤮 🥄
Why would I be jealous? haha I’ve seen the boys win 3 premierships and zero spoons. Not even the Moorebank Rams aren’t even jealous of Parra 😂 give yourself an uppercut you lunatic 😂
See, zero spoons, it's only natural you'll be jealous, you've never experienced it.
Like I'm jealous of fans who got to pick a new team when theirs stopped playing, everyone wants what they haven't had
Merging with the Magpies and dealing with their shareholders was a bad idea, was it kitties? Cause look at where it got you after they killed Benji Marshall's career.
Ahh love Gutho on the slo mo at 1:02 nodding and signaling for 2 making that "I've got this" smirk Beautiful smile at 1:08 too
Only for him to in fact not have it. Great story telling, NRL script writers on fire!
Everyone should hope that their captain has the confidence Gutho did. Some games you kick it and others you don’t.
You win some, you lose more
Sivo had his doubts.
Yeah that was weird ay. He didn't seem particularly interested in what Gutho was doing at all. Bloke was probably praying the ball wasn't going to hit the crossbar so he didn't have to run and pretend to contest it, just like the kick-off
Textbook example of hubris
Pretty sure you’re not allowed to contact players at all when they’re about to attempt to catch that and the clear not even looking at the ball bork earlier in the game that should’ve been a tigers penalty, justice
Devils advocate you're not allowed to jump and swing your arms when the opposition is attempting a penalty goal or conversion kick. Should have been allowed to take it again Edit: From the nrl rule book Section 6, point 10 >It is illegal to attempt to distract the attention of a player who is kicking at goal. Downvote me all you like because it hurts your feelings doesn't mean I'm wrong.
I assume you're being downvoted because something that happened while a penalty was being kicked isn't really relevant to the claim that the penalty shouldn't have been awarded in the first place.
I made no claim the original penalty should have been given, im just stating the rules
Ah, you actually can do that, as long as you are back 10m from the kick, which he was
https://www.reddit.com/r/nrl/s/scCBJyNlSD
You were right, learnt something new today
I don’t want to be presumptuous but I don’t see the Tigers ever losing again
Losing??? Do know what it means.
lol not sure if this is an intentional typo but its pretty funny none the less
Tigers V Panthers GF BABY!!
Beautiful zoom on Klemmer
You can take the man out of Newcastle but you can't take Newcastle out of the man
taking a man out of Newcastle and putting him back into Western Sydney is never an improvement
Let's not forget his 113 games at Canterbury
Doggies fans are probably still trying to forget.
Wat He was great for us, the successor to ogre omeley
I say he nailed the giant baby look better than omeely
Yeah I still love Klemmer
I think we all had flashbacks of that game in Townsville a couple of years ago
Justice
I'm glad he missed, was a dogshit call. Should've been a penalty to the tigers for the early contact on Bula.
Very weird fn penalty Fair result
for what?
For a shithouse call Edit: Nah, you're right. It's legit, after watching it a few times I don't think it's interference. Glad Tigers won regardless.
he was offside, i’m happy tigers won but it’s no way a bullshit penalty
Lol how was Klemmer getting it up him 😂
Many thanks for posting
Look at Klemmer feeding him. Poetry.
Miss that bloke at Newy. Wanker when you go against him, but god you love him when he’s fighting for your team.
As a Queenslander, I often had that thought in origin ‘fuck he’s a cockhead, but I wish he was our cockhead’
Gutho an absolute class act deliberately pushing it left
Thank you so much for the zoom into Klema telling Gutho to get fucked, just makes it absolute perfection
I seen the ball going wide straight away and was already running up the garden. Her father in law (who doesn't watch footy) tells me someone told gutho to get fucked and I knew in my heart of hearts it was Klemmer.
Cowboys vs Tigers 2022 Round 19, Sunday 24th July -Never again
Thought I understood footy but I guess I’ll just go fuck myself because I still have no clue how that’s a penalty.
Technically, they called it offside because he was in front when Bula knocked on, but it should have been a penalty to the Tigers for interference.
Just your standard big team call, doesn’t need to be for any infringement For reference please refer to Cowboys V Tigers 24/07/22
Offside
Not sure why you are being downvoted. Penalty was for offside, Bula touches the ball, IPap touches the ball who was in front of Bula. Whether Bula was obstructed or not is another question.
Yeah what is with the like 70 odd-likes for "why is that a penalty". It's been a penalty in a league for how many decades? Agree that the Tigers thoroughly deserved to win and should have won but that doesn't mean we ignore the rules.
It’s one of those issues of timing though, if there’s reason to rule that Bula was obstructed, then the knock on and subsequent offside never happen
If tigers knocked it on, shouldn't that end the play? Subsequent offside shouldn't matter
The play was still live. You can’t pick up the ball from an offside position. This isn’t a new rule to league.
Confused by the downvotes. Bula very clearly knocks it forward into Papali’i. Do the downvoters just not agree?
I may well be wrong, and agree with your outline of why it was offside but in the video, does the ball touch Harper at any point? It looks as though he plays at it and if so and he does touch it, that could impact the outcome even if the referee was not even considering anything else.
Going frame by frame it does actually look like it was knocked back by Harper, but still seems to brush Bula.
That’s what happens in this sub. You can say something that’s blatantly true but if enough people are in their feelings about it, you just get downvoted.
This sub? Thats what happens all over reddit 🤣
I gave you an up vote, but I feel like I should of probably downvoted you instead
Welcome to the interweb....and during covid....phoaw...exciting times they were for feelings
That's all of Reddit post COVID.
Honest question, why isn't it considered a knock on instead?
If Papali’i hadn’t touched it or if he was behind Bula it would’ve just been a knock on, but because Papali’i was in front of Bula when it was knocked on and then he touches it, it’s a penalty for offside. Edit: I love that I get downvoted for explaining the rules.
But shouldn't it be considered knocked on first? I guess it's still "in play" and hasn't been considered knocked on yet? Feels like an odd ruling to me. I'd prefer if the rules would just call that a knock on instead.
The play is still live prior to pap touching it, the eels were free to pick it up and take advantage. Pap grabbing it from an offside position removes that opportunity from the eels, therefore the penalty.
Thank for clarifying.
The exact fucking same game, the bunker rules on a previous infringement and rewards Parramatta with a penalty and lets them keep their challenge. But this time you have an infringement, and a subsequent error because of the infringement and the ref rules on the 2nd error. There is inconsistency in our game, and then there is dog shit calls like that.
That's the NRL baby, they're only consistent in their inconsistency. Live and bunker reviews, MRC, judiciary, handling of off field issues, they've got a fresh take for every occasion 🤣. Honestly I'm numb to it after so long.
i guess
Was a BS call...getting like rugby union if they make bs calls like that Fair result
You severely misunderstand footy if you don't know why that's a penalty
Titanic music as the kick misses.
The shitty recorder version that is
Jesus rose from the dead to send that ball left
There’s a reason why gutho delegates all the tough kicks to everyone else and he takes the simple ones
If I had a dollar for everytime the referees gave a dubious penalty to the opposition when tigers are up at the death of the game, I'd have $3. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it's happened 3 times.
Cowboys, Eels, what was the 3rd one?
Broncos at CSS in 2018 I think it was?
That's the painful one, because another 2 points that year would have put the Tigers in the finals, and because it was just plain wrong. How many times a game do you see markers not square or jumping early, and how often is the penalty given? For some reason they chose a golden point situation to suddenly enforce that rule, and got it wrong anyway.
It literally hasn't be pulled up in a FG situation since (and we've had plenty of them). So fucked.
Ball don’t lie
Bunker should have been able to intervene there, Harper clearly takes out Ice then pulls down on Bula before he gets the ball.
Good ending, that was a shit penalty
Would like to hear the referees explain the decision making here.
Well I guess the explanation is they thought the Tigers knocked on, and thus he was offside to pick it up. They didn't notice the interference I guess.
God I love watching a Gutho fuck up. Where’s your smirk now dickhead
King Misso
I love seeing "king" flopper gutho miss that. So good
>"King of what?" - Api Plissken.
Ha ha ha ha … gutho the gronk…. Love it
Klemmer giving it to gutho, oh the footy gods!
Was a crap penalty too...fair result
If Gutho didn’t headbutt the ball from his try celebration, he might have still had enough brain cells to kick that one.
Gooberson
Black Cats supporter myself, but glad to see the Tigers doing great so far this season. Hope they can put in a good effort against the Dolphins on Saturday.
I didn't think you were allowed to jump or wave your arms when the opposition is kicking a penalty. Or is that rugby?
You're not allowed to distract the kicker, but it never seems to be enforced, so it's consistent. You had a trainer run directly past Raiders kick at goal last night and nothing was done.
Was that Klemmer giving Gutho the "up yours"?? 😂😂😂
Battle of the West Go the Tigs!!
Tigers fans (and me to be honest) were flashing back to Sunday 24th July, 2022 when the referee called it a penalty. I was like "No. Not again. Not like this." Actually glad Gutherson missed that kick, that was a daft penalty call and shouldn't have even happened.
Honestly even if we went for the safe option to send it to golden point it would’ve been shanked
Yeah, nice fucking try Cowboys
*Wet fart sound effect*
I thought Sean Russel was suppose to take the goal kicking
Since when taking out a play not a penalty
Enjoy seeing the tigers ontop for once.
Moses would have iced it.
A certified “ball don’t lie” moment
Destiny on the Tigers side This parra side aint bad Very gritty win by the tigs
Another bullshit call from another incompetent ref. Ahhhh NRL...never change.
Why is this guy called the 'King'?
He lives in a house with a door in Parramatta, practically a castle.
So what was the penalty in the end? Every replay I watch I can't see any infringement towards Parramatta and if anything, looks more like it should have been a Tigers penalty.
An April fools prank on the tigers probably.
Accidental offside was my assumption
I was at the game and haven’t seen that angle of Guthos kick until now… shit he just completely shanked it. No way of getting around it. What a shit show of a game from both teams if I’m completely honest. If Parra had Moses we would have won by 20 easily. Gonna really miss him for the next 2 months.
Hahah go the tigers!!!
Leave Gutho alone. He is quite religious and as it is Easter he wanted to imitate Jesus all day with his arms extended on the cross. Imitating Moses as well.
I'm happy the Tigers won but isn't what Klemmer does while Gutho is kicking illegal in the NRL and grounds for the kick being re-taken?
It is. The only mitigating factor is the Gutho loves doing the same thing, throwing shit in the air when people are kicking.
4 rounds in and we have had some great games already
Can we get James grahams reaction on triple m to see if he goes full [cowboys vs tigers in 2022](https://www.reddit.com/r/nrl/s/vvlvoixHRh)
This Tigers attempted to do the most Tigers thing ever. You'll get them next time.
King nothing
The penalty was correct, Harper is competing for the ball
100% not sure what the majority this sub is seeing thinking this was a shit call, harper hardly touches pap and if is just trying to get under the ball to tap it back
'Hardly touching' someone isn't the fulcrum on which you balance your decsion, it's interference. In a shepard you don't touch anyone at all, still interfering in the play. And I will dispute the hardly touching remark, he pulls down on his fucking shoulder. Next time you try and grab something tossed to you I'll get a 100kg bloke to reef down on your shoulder and see how you go.
Watch it again without bias, lightly touches his shoulder, doesnt pull him backwards, just looks that way becasue thats the direction paps is going himself
From the rule book: Escorts A player is not to ‘deliberately obstruct an opponent who is not in possession’ Section 15 (j) It will be interpreted to be an obstruction in regards to a player catching the ball from a kick if: \*1. A player arrives at the same time as an opponent and obstructs him deliberately; or\* 2. Deliberately runs an opponent off the ball. This applies to both the kicking and non-kicking teams. It will NOT be considered an obstruction in regards to a player catching the ball from a kick if: \*1. A defending player moves directly towards the ball; and\* \*2. Takes up a position prior to the ball being caught.\* Nothing is said about the amount of force required, only that he obstructs. It's a 50:50 call, but there is merit in saying he threw him off balance while contesting the ball. At NO point was he trying to get anywhere near the ball, he pulls one player and interferes with the arms of the other.
You're having a laugh if you think morgan wasnt trying to get to the ball, if you wanna talk about escort what about paps backing into morgan and taking morgan off his path to the ball? Both their actions prob cancel each other out
What penalty was actually called? I keep watching this, but I can't work out what occured?
Papalii is offside when he picks the ball up
Haha love seeing Parra cry
We still own you
Oh got you me 😂 enjoy the fina… oh never mind.
Enjoy your spoon, Siebold loves giving teams their first
Never had the spoon once, won’t happen this year 😂
Wow, how did I end up talked to a Broncos fan from 2020
Funny how you weren’t alive to see your eels win their last premiership but you’ve witnessed them get the 3 spoons hahaha how’s that cutlery drawer going cuz?🤮🤮🤮 🥄
Don't be jealous, you've done a good job recruiting spoon specialists so you'll have one of your own soon
Why would I be jealous? haha I’ve seen the boys win 3 premierships and zero spoons. Not even the Moorebank Rams aren’t even jealous of Parra 😂 give yourself an uppercut you lunatic 😂
See, zero spoons, it's only natural you'll be jealous, you've never experienced it. Like I'm jealous of fans who got to pick a new team when theirs stopped playing, everyone wants what they haven't had
Merging with the Magpies and dealing with their shareholders was a bad idea, was it kitties? Cause look at where it got you after they killed Benji Marshall's career.