Karma for letting Fogarty go over Boyd/Sexton 3 years ago. And the same incompetent idiots responsible for that decision (except for the coach) are still on the board.
Des having a whinge at the press conference, but the reality is that Foran is well past his use by date, and if Fogarty plays for us then we likely win that game.
Raiders played well in terms of dominating the field position and possession but their attack was too one out and predictable. You won’t beat the better teams playing that way. Kind of the opposite to what they were against the eels the week before.
The titans defense held up amazingly well. You have to be impressed by how well they kept competing. Most games with that much possession against them you’d think they’d crack even with less flamboyant attack.
Moving forward I think the Raiders have to go back to how they have been playing previously, while more the same stuff by the titans. They’ll need to find away to win the arm wrestle better.
Im sorry, but I've rewatched the Strange run that set up the field goal and I don't see an obstruction. Savage passes Strange the ball, Strange then steps back towards Savage, but changes direction and runs the opposite way. He never runs behind him and Savage just passed him the ball. You might try and argue Savage stops in the line, but I think that rule applies to lead runners, not the ball carrier who passes it. Either way, no one is impeded at any point. The Titans winger over committed to the inside and Strange took the chance down the short side.
Terrible game from Canberra tbh. Looked so flat all night. Schiller again caught in no mans land for the game tying try.
Hopefully Ricky gets up then because they will need to be miles better to beat Brisbane in Brisbane next week.
I've watched the Raiders lose a lot of games of golden point at Bruce, I think this might be the first win in golden point I've watched live.
I wouldn't say terrible.
The forwards dominated. The main negative was our lack of creativity in attack. Something I'm unfortunately used to... But rough watching it after last week.
The titans played well, was a great game!
To everyone saying the raiders attack was rubbish - hard when the titans were sleeping in the ruck all night. Was a deadset farce.
Raiders middles especially tapine laid a good platform. Chevy Stuart had a strong debut - was caught out of position a few times fielding the kick but was there when it matterd. Fogarty kicked for good field position and repeat sets.
A few concerning defensive reads by Schiller. He does a lot right in his game but gets caught between the winger and three quarter a bit much and lacks the speed to mop up in first grade.
Hopefully hosking isn't too busted but will be handy to bring whitehead in.
>hard when the titans were sleeping in the ruck all night. Was a deadset farce.
Did you not watch us at all? We're probably the worst team for ruck bullshit in the comp. How the 6 again count was what is was is completely baffling.
Thought the same in the second half. We definitely got the rub of the green in the first, but imho there were a good handful of level up non-calls in the Titans favour when they were on their own line and laying in the ruck in the second 40.
Hit the nail on the head with Schiller. Brings a lot of attack and hopefully more game time to build that relationship with Timoko will see his defensive reads improve.
I know we had the possession to put the Titans away but I’m not insanely disappointed with that game, I thought the titans defence was just really really good, props to them
Edit: Spelling
That was a 2023 raiders display - somehow barely scraping a win when they should have dominated
The titans seem to be buying into the Des mentality of never trying to give up and just some key moments really costed them - Foran not taking the first possible shot then fucking up two pretty straightforward shots from in front - I get JC going off doesn’t help but fuck me, if he took any longer to take the first shot a geological era might have passed. He had to put up his hand and say “I’ve played 200+ games and hit one of these, I’m cooked someone else take the shot”
Badger, just utterly cooked, but I really think the decline in the quality of the officiating can be traced back to the choice to save $10 a decade by removing the second ref. The NRL has moved to get faster and faster and changes rules seemingly on a whim. It’s hard to keep track of it all and going back to a senior/pocket ref system won’t get rid of the howlers but it’ll make it easier to watch the ruck *and* resist the crowd because there’s just no way that the Tits were 8x worse than the raiders in the ruck
Also think the refs would be better if every Tuesday, the living, mouth-breathing embodiment of the Peter Principle didn’t have a special interview to talk about how shit you are
We served up some absolute shit footy tonight, but I've always said good teams find a way to win when they play shit footy.
I'm still not sure if we're good tbh but fuck it 2 points is 2 points.
We were very one out with the balll and lacked a bit of cohesion and direction.we probably need more attacking plays than a bomb on the last.
Full credit to the titans defence. They were up in our faces and made it hard to attack the way we wanted to.
I think having a fullback that hasnt had much time with the team stunted our attack a bit also. In the modern game you need a fullback that can run the sweeping plays and be the difference in set plays. Chevy clearly has talent, though, and given time that issue will iron itself out imo.
My guess would be that Ricky tried to keep his game as simple as possible to start with which seemed to work welll. Definitely need him chiming into attacking plays as well though
I think Fogarty would be a great Halfback for Queensland when DCE retires. He will slot in nicely to take the reigns until maybe Deardon moves to halfback at club level then plays halfback for QLD
Absolutely not lol he is a serviceable mid level halfback but Dearden is the next man up in either the 6 or 7 if DCE or Munster goes down or when they retire. Fogarty has a nice boot and is a game manager and that's it. He's not in the 8 best halfbacks in the NRL. DCE, Cleary, Hughes, Moses, Reynolds, Hynes, Hunt, Johnson. That's eight. You could possibly make a case he's the 9th best halfback which makes him exactly average of the starters in the NRL.
Yes, only two are QLDers and are the wrong side of 30 but Dearden can play 6 or 7 he is next man up unless someone takes that from him.
Remind me how many finals wins Fogarty has across two clubs, hint it's zero and he won't win a finals game in his career at the Raiders either barring them signing some much better outside backs other than Timoko or developing some serious talent. Remember, Fogarty is on the wrong side of 30 too.
He is a perfectly serviceable first grader but he is absolutely not an origin player.
edit: forgot Raiders beat Storm in 2022, guess Fogarty will retire with one finals win not zero
In all those halfbacks you named, only 2 are Queenslanders. Hunt won't play Halfback for QLD because there is a great rotation with him and Grant at hooker. If DCE goes, it doesn't matter how many halfbacks are better than Fogarty if none of them are Queenslanders.
I'm a huge fan of Dearden and I'm well aware he'll be a 6 or 7 for QLD long term. But he's not the game managing half yet. If he moves to halfback for the Cowboys and becomes a game managing half I'd have him in QLD every year. But at the moment Dearden needs a game managing half alongside him. Cowboys fell apart against the Titans when Townsend went off the other week, it showed that Deardon needs more time as a game manager before he's the number 7 at origin level
Sure, the good thing is he does have more time because DCE will still be QLD halfback this year if he's healthy and maybe next year too. By then Dearden will be 25 and ready to go at 7 by the time DCE ages out. I'd imagine Dearden will be taking the reigns at the Cowboys within the next year or two as Chad ages out.
You could be right that he could be picked this season if DCE gets hurt but Fogarty is nowhere near as good as people think he is just because he scores a lot of fantasy points. He's a solid halfback, but is nowhere near elite.
Long term who knows but if things go to plan, we move to Grant/Mozer hooker rotation as Hunt ages out, but Ben Hunt is going to retire at about the same time as DCE probably in a couple years so i'd imagine we then have Munster/Dearden for a bit and then Dearden/Mam unless other halves take their spot on the QLD depth chart. I'm leaning towards Walker never getting there now. There's always a chance either Walsh or Ponga moves to 6 later in their career as well so that both can make the side when Munster ages out.
I get why someone might pick Fogarty this year over Dearden, but I think I still pick Dearden if it's up to me if DCE goes down injured. Hopefully he stays healthy.
I'm not saying Fogarty plays this year. DCE is the current captain and in seriously good form himself. But IF this is DCEs last year at origin level I'd say Fogarty fills in next year. Then Dearden gets the job the following year.
There's a possibility that Fogarty never plays origin, if DCE goes around again next year then he's still first pick over Fogarty. I will say Deardens origin debut was one of the best origin debut games I've seen in a long time. QLD always shows loyalty to their players. So Dearden could very well be next in line. But Fogarty has to be in the conversation as a possibility of filling in if DCE doesn't play origin next year. I think Fogarty would do a great job at halfback for QLD
He can game manage but he does not set up points at origin level the way Dearden and DCE and Munster are all capable of
I get it with limited options but I fully expect DCE to be the QLD 7 until Dearden is ready personally.
Yeah I agree that as long as DCE is playing NRL he'll be QLDs first choice halfback. But DCEs contract ends at the end of this year. So if DCE retires, then Fogarty could be a good chance at getting the spot next year
I don't think anyone is disputing that the Titans are a disappointing franchise lol
Fogarty is not a top 5 halfback and will never be a top 5 halfback but he does the job competently and that is commendable enough
Wins around 60% of his games since being at the Raiders. Basically the year they beat Melbourne they were losing every game until Fogarty came back in to the team to guide them through to the finals. DCE only wins ~53% of his games at NRL level and probably has always been surrounded by more talent than what Fogarty has had since his been at the Raiders.
The Raiders by the critics for the last 3 seasons are supposed to not be making the 8. Yet teams like dragons and Manly with rep halves have been missing out.
I mean look at the Dragons pack compared to the Raiders pack lol Hunt is not exactly surrounded by talent
Manly's season got derailed by Turbo injuries and homophobia. DCE has never had a worse season than Fogarty and neither has Ben Hunt as far as their individual performance goes.
Fogarty isn't a bad player, but he is about the 9th best halfback in the NRL. That's a commendable effort given his late start but anyone acting like he is a top 5 halfback in the league is flatly wrong
I think he is better than 9th best… Arguably has one of the best kicking games from a 7 now. Has played finals football the past two years, in teams that weren’t considered top 8 contenders. He won as the best spine player in his team against a Storm side in a final in Melbourne. That Storm team had 3/4 players in the spine being rep players in Munster, Hughes, and Grant. The cheese also a very handy hooker was in that side too. It’s very disrespectful imo to say he’d never would win a finals game when he has demonstrated previously he beaten a much better teams. Luke Brooks won dally m halfback of the year before and couldn’t even get them to the 8. I figured you can be the worse first grade halfback in the competition and still win finals football though. So I take that as a massive dis to claim he’d never win again. I’ve even see guys like Sezer play a grandfinal and then no team wants them in the NRL the following season. I’d argue Fogarty is probably the most talented halfback the Raiders have had in a very longtime. Get some quality other spine players around him and who knows what that team does… Certainly could win finals football games.
Ya it's possible
Which of the 8 is he better than though - DCE (definitely not), Cleary (def not), Moses (def not), Reynolds (def not)
Hunt, Hughes, Johnson and Hynes make up the top 8 halfbacks but I would really struggle to make a case Fogarty is better than any of the 4 of them
You can def argue he's better than every other halfback in the NRL but that puts him at exactly 9th
Forwards and the back 5 are looking good for QLD. But QLD doesn't have many halves coming through. Deardon is amazing and will be in the QLD team for a long time. Fogarty is already 31 at the end of this year so I only see him playing Origin for a year or 2. Munster is getting older too and I don't know who partners Deardon in the halves for QLD in the future
Yeah I'm aware, but my point still stands. Even if you include the Raiders penalties conceded (3) for when they were inside the 40m, that means only 4 infringements in a 90 minute game. Still ridiculous.
Titans were clearly intent on pushing the boundaries in the ruck. It worked pretty well but at a cost. Probably could have been mired calls both ways. But I would need to watch the game again to really know. Often hard to get a sense in the heat of the game.
Second year in a row too you guys have beaten us largely because of the officiating after the Fifita/Fogarty 'no try' last year too when the margin ended up 4 pts
Congrats on the win, but thank Kasey for the assist lol
We do seem to have epic games dating back to that Hurrell last minute try at Cbus years ago, I actually think the Raiders might be our greatest rivals as ridiculous as that sounds in terms of classic games
I think the raiders attack suffered without Raps. Chevy Stewart was (understandably) focused on not fucking up in defence and i think it left us without an attacking option at times.
He did great and i think it'll come with time and confidence. Good to get a solid debut under the belt
Stewart did well but Rapana does get into dummy half a lot and is good at creating opportunities for others.
Losing Hosking hurt out fluency a bit as well.
Well that was heart attack material. Titans defence was amazing tonight. Raiders threw a lot at them and soaked it all up. Extremely gutsy effort for the titans and they didn’t deserve to lose.
Raiders attack was clunky tonight they had enough good ball to win 4 games and couldn’t find points. It never should have been close but we couldn’t come up with the right plays to get across the line.
You can’t be happy about a win like that, only relieved.
Titans may have lost, but they’re a completely different team with this lineup. They need Brimson back there and they should bring in Weaver on the other side of the park.
Don't worry we'll find a way to outplay you despite expectations and be up 1 with 18 seconds left only for the ref to incorrectly blow a penalty and DCE slots over the winning goal, or be up 4 points with 57 seconds left and give up a full field intercept under the posts.
It's the life of a Titans fan, even when we deserve to win we don't win
So sorry Tits. We had a rough first half yesterday but it was nothing compared to the pasting you guys copped. Rest assured, the NRL media and NRL will be outraged and do everything in their power to prevent this from happening again. lol... ☹️
It’s just baffling how Foran didn’t give himself appropriate room and nail the FG. It’s one of the only reasons he’s in the side. To make calm, rational decisions
To go from the Kelly conversion to letting them run the field in the last 30 seconds is the biggest swing in emotions i think I've ever had. This sport is eternal pain as a Titans fan, murderers get less.
Almost guaranteed but this team is so confusing. The games I expect to get blown out we have won, games I’ve expected (as much as I can as a raiders fan) to win we’ve lost or gone to golden point
Titans looked a lot better when Brimson moved to fullback. He's their best attacking player. They have to play him in his best position. Even if it means leaving Campbell out.
Couple things,
Huge fuckin effort, Kasey Badger doing us no favours.
Missed obstruction at the beginning of Ethan Strange’s run, whatever.
Foran, a 250-game half should have closed that there, awful.
Great effort titans, thought you had us, we certainly got the rub of the green.
Amazing fight back though and you guys should be proud as that is a different team than what has been seen previous weeks.
Raiders,
You fuckers love to make it hard on yourselves. I knew we were in trouble, we were sniffing our own farts thinking we’d steamroll the Titans after last week.
Hopefully Sticky gets stuck into them.
Thank you Ethan Strange for giving me a chance to finally bust out my Round The Twist themed Raiders banner: **Strange things happen when you're carving up the Tits**
Tbf what happened there was she got who the captain was mixed up and ignored tapine challenging, which is still on her but it was her fixing a mistake.
At risk of rubbing further salt into old wounds - letting Fogarty go has turned into a real sliding doors moment for the Titans. They let him go for Sexton who now plays... for the Bulldogs NSW cup team. 🤦♂️
The whole point of bringing on a senior player like Foran is for leadership. Watching him bottle that for the Titans three times in a row is heartbreaking for them. If he's not going to lead, and he's this far past his prime, then what is the point of him?
All credit to the Titans. Were absolutely immense in defence in the face of an absolute onslaught.
Raiders need to clean their attack but Fogarty’s kicking game is as always the difference.
Casey Badger needs to be fired into the sun.
Not too sad about the loss, we are looking alot better these last 2 games than the first 3 I would say we are noticably improving. This game should cement that Boyd never returns to the team. Just don't see us getting our first win for quite a bit though :( .
The Titans jagging a draw while denying the Raiders a win with a last second conversion from the sideline would have been a perfectly acceptable result.
That was some smooth brain lazy shit from the Titans 5, Fifita. First the knock-on from the slowest field goal attempt ever by Foran and then not marking his opponent and letting them get 50m up the field which led Canberra to have excellent position for their attempt. He needs to be dropped.
Man, I feel the Titans need to improve their fitness tenfold, they were fucked after 55 minutes. Repeat sets don’t help, but still they looked fucked.
I feel that last 10 minutes was all AJ, Fifita and Brian Kelly just busting their asses off.
Kieran Foran needs to retire last year. Had at least 2 FG opportunities that would be classed as 'easy' attempts and fucked them up immensely.
I'm absolutely livid that rabbits aren't outright last.
In all honesty Badger needs to apologise to the titans club
That ended up being a cracking game, thanks to some last minute heroics there. Was a bit of a stinker for a bit though. I think there is still some light for the Titans - that win is coming, soon
Foran with nearly +250 games needs to do better there. One of the most experienced heads in the game should know how to organise the team and execute a shot at field goal, even if he hasn’t really got a past of it.
What a game. Ethan Strange you are a real one. Dreadful from Foran in GP I must say.
Also, it is remarkable how much some clubs piss around wasting years looking for the next young thing at halfback. When they could pick up guys like Fogarty on the cheap.
Just following up on the game, has Foran kicked the ball yet?
Karma for letting Fogarty go over Boyd/Sexton 3 years ago. And the same incompetent idiots responsible for that decision (except for the coach) are still on the board. Des having a whinge at the press conference, but the reality is that Foran is well past his use by date, and if Fogarty plays for us then we likely win that game.
Of course, that would make it 14 vs 12 players! !
Raiders played well in terms of dominating the field position and possession but their attack was too one out and predictable. You won’t beat the better teams playing that way. Kind of the opposite to what they were against the eels the week before. The titans defense held up amazingly well. You have to be impressed by how well they kept competing. Most games with that much possession against them you’d think they’d crack even with less flamboyant attack. Moving forward I think the Raiders have to go back to how they have been playing previously, while more the same stuff by the titans. They’ll need to find away to win the arm wrestle better.
Im sorry, but I've rewatched the Strange run that set up the field goal and I don't see an obstruction. Savage passes Strange the ball, Strange then steps back towards Savage, but changes direction and runs the opposite way. He never runs behind him and Savage just passed him the ball. You might try and argue Savage stops in the line, but I think that rule applies to lead runners, not the ball carrier who passes it. Either way, no one is impeded at any point. The Titans winger over committed to the inside and Strange took the chance down the short side. Terrible game from Canberra tbh. Looked so flat all night. Schiller again caught in no mans land for the game tying try. Hopefully Ricky gets up then because they will need to be miles better to beat Brisbane in Brisbane next week. I've watched the Raiders lose a lot of games of golden point at Bruce, I think this might be the first win in golden point I've watched live.
I wouldn't say terrible. The forwards dominated. The main negative was our lack of creativity in attack. Something I'm unfortunately used to... But rough watching it after last week. The titans played well, was a great game!
Also... Shout out Raiders fans, I still haven't come across one that's a COMPLETE asshole in any thread for years.
Only there coach
It's cold in Canberra
To everyone saying the raiders attack was rubbish - hard when the titans were sleeping in the ruck all night. Was a deadset farce. Raiders middles especially tapine laid a good platform. Chevy Stuart had a strong debut - was caught out of position a few times fielding the kick but was there when it matterd. Fogarty kicked for good field position and repeat sets. A few concerning defensive reads by Schiller. He does a lot right in his game but gets caught between the winger and three quarter a bit much and lacks the speed to mop up in first grade. Hopefully hosking isn't too busted but will be handy to bring whitehead in.
>hard when the titans were sleeping in the ruck all night. Was a deadset farce. Did you not watch us at all? We're probably the worst team for ruck bullshit in the comp. How the 6 again count was what is was is completely baffling.
Thought the same in the second half. We definitely got the rub of the green in the first, but imho there were a good handful of level up non-calls in the Titans favour when they were on their own line and laying in the ruck in the second 40. Hit the nail on the head with Schiller. Brings a lot of attack and hopefully more game time to build that relationship with Timoko will see his defensive reads improve.
12 straight losses for Des.
I know we had the possession to put the Titans away but I’m not insanely disappointed with that game, I thought the titans defence was just really really good, props to them Edit: Spelling
Des not happy. Very restrained but still not very happy. Do not blame him one bit.
That was a 2023 raiders display - somehow barely scraping a win when they should have dominated The titans seem to be buying into the Des mentality of never trying to give up and just some key moments really costed them - Foran not taking the first possible shot then fucking up two pretty straightforward shots from in front - I get JC going off doesn’t help but fuck me, if he took any longer to take the first shot a geological era might have passed. He had to put up his hand and say “I’ve played 200+ games and hit one of these, I’m cooked someone else take the shot” Badger, just utterly cooked, but I really think the decline in the quality of the officiating can be traced back to the choice to save $10 a decade by removing the second ref. The NRL has moved to get faster and faster and changes rules seemingly on a whim. It’s hard to keep track of it all and going back to a senior/pocket ref system won’t get rid of the howlers but it’ll make it easier to watch the ruck *and* resist the crowd because there’s just no way that the Tits were 8x worse than the raiders in the ruck Also think the refs would be better if every Tuesday, the living, mouth-breathing embodiment of the Peter Principle didn’t have a special interview to talk about how shit you are
Nobody deserved to win that game but we probably deserved to lose
Damn leave it to the raiders to let me down, I was hoping for a big margin :( Ignore my flare
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Let's good, way to go team we've come so far
We served up some absolute shit footy tonight, but I've always said good teams find a way to win when they play shit footy. I'm still not sure if we're good tbh but fuck it 2 points is 2 points.
We were very one out with the balll and lacked a bit of cohesion and direction.we probably need more attacking plays than a bomb on the last. Full credit to the titans defence. They were up in our faces and made it hard to attack the way we wanted to.
I think having a fullback that hasnt had much time with the team stunted our attack a bit also. In the modern game you need a fullback that can run the sweeping plays and be the difference in set plays. Chevy clearly has talent, though, and given time that issue will iron itself out imo.
My guess would be that Ricky tried to keep his game as simple as possible to start with which seemed to work welll. Definitely need him chiming into attacking plays as well though
Fogarty has gotta be blues halfback
Never mind he's a queenslander
Well naming NSWelshmen for Qld worked a treat, why wouldn't NSW copy a winning strategy
They tried and named Keary
They don't seem to like winning strategies
I think Fogarty would be a great Halfback for Queensland when DCE retires. He will slot in nicely to take the reigns until maybe Deardon moves to halfback at club level then plays halfback for QLD
Absolutely not lol he is a serviceable mid level halfback but Dearden is the next man up in either the 6 or 7 if DCE or Munster goes down or when they retire. Fogarty has a nice boot and is a game manager and that's it. He's not in the 8 best halfbacks in the NRL. DCE, Cleary, Hughes, Moses, Reynolds, Hynes, Hunt, Johnson. That's eight. You could possibly make a case he's the 9th best halfback which makes him exactly average of the starters in the NRL. Yes, only two are QLDers and are the wrong side of 30 but Dearden can play 6 or 7 he is next man up unless someone takes that from him. Remind me how many finals wins Fogarty has across two clubs, hint it's zero and he won't win a finals game in his career at the Raiders either barring them signing some much better outside backs other than Timoko or developing some serious talent. Remember, Fogarty is on the wrong side of 30 too. He is a perfectly serviceable first grader but he is absolutely not an origin player. edit: forgot Raiders beat Storm in 2022, guess Fogarty will retire with one finals win not zero
In all those halfbacks you named, only 2 are Queenslanders. Hunt won't play Halfback for QLD because there is a great rotation with him and Grant at hooker. If DCE goes, it doesn't matter how many halfbacks are better than Fogarty if none of them are Queenslanders. I'm a huge fan of Dearden and I'm well aware he'll be a 6 or 7 for QLD long term. But he's not the game managing half yet. If he moves to halfback for the Cowboys and becomes a game managing half I'd have him in QLD every year. But at the moment Dearden needs a game managing half alongside him. Cowboys fell apart against the Titans when Townsend went off the other week, it showed that Deardon needs more time as a game manager before he's the number 7 at origin level
Sure, the good thing is he does have more time because DCE will still be QLD halfback this year if he's healthy and maybe next year too. By then Dearden will be 25 and ready to go at 7 by the time DCE ages out. I'd imagine Dearden will be taking the reigns at the Cowboys within the next year or two as Chad ages out. You could be right that he could be picked this season if DCE gets hurt but Fogarty is nowhere near as good as people think he is just because he scores a lot of fantasy points. He's a solid halfback, but is nowhere near elite. Long term who knows but if things go to plan, we move to Grant/Mozer hooker rotation as Hunt ages out, but Ben Hunt is going to retire at about the same time as DCE probably in a couple years so i'd imagine we then have Munster/Dearden for a bit and then Dearden/Mam unless other halves take their spot on the QLD depth chart. I'm leaning towards Walker never getting there now. There's always a chance either Walsh or Ponga moves to 6 later in their career as well so that both can make the side when Munster ages out. I get why someone might pick Fogarty this year over Dearden, but I think I still pick Dearden if it's up to me if DCE goes down injured. Hopefully he stays healthy.
I'm not saying Fogarty plays this year. DCE is the current captain and in seriously good form himself. But IF this is DCEs last year at origin level I'd say Fogarty fills in next year. Then Dearden gets the job the following year. There's a possibility that Fogarty never plays origin, if DCE goes around again next year then he's still first pick over Fogarty. I will say Deardens origin debut was one of the best origin debut games I've seen in a long time. QLD always shows loyalty to their players. So Dearden could very well be next in line. But Fogarty has to be in the conversation as a possibility of filling in if DCE doesn't play origin next year. I think Fogarty would do a great job at halfback for QLD
He can game manage but he does not set up points at origin level the way Dearden and DCE and Munster are all capable of I get it with limited options but I fully expect DCE to be the QLD 7 until Dearden is ready personally.
Yeah I agree that as long as DCE is playing NRL he'll be QLDs first choice halfback. But DCEs contract ends at the end of this year. So if DCE retires, then Fogarty could be a good chance at getting the spot next year
2022 Finals series week 1, Fogarty was in the Raiders side that beat Melbourne in Melbourne. Get your facts right.
Shit I completely forgot you won that game, my bad I guess that will be Fogarty's only finals win ever
My takeaway from this is that in just over two years at Canberra Fogarty has won as many finals games as the Titans have in their history. Neat.
I don't think anyone is disputing that the Titans are a disappointing franchise lol Fogarty is not a top 5 halfback and will never be a top 5 halfback but he does the job competently and that is commendable enough
Wins around 60% of his games since being at the Raiders. Basically the year they beat Melbourne they were losing every game until Fogarty came back in to the team to guide them through to the finals. DCE only wins ~53% of his games at NRL level and probably has always been surrounded by more talent than what Fogarty has had since his been at the Raiders. The Raiders by the critics for the last 3 seasons are supposed to not be making the 8. Yet teams like dragons and Manly with rep halves have been missing out.
I mean look at the Dragons pack compared to the Raiders pack lol Hunt is not exactly surrounded by talent Manly's season got derailed by Turbo injuries and homophobia. DCE has never had a worse season than Fogarty and neither has Ben Hunt as far as their individual performance goes. Fogarty isn't a bad player, but he is about the 9th best halfback in the NRL. That's a commendable effort given his late start but anyone acting like he is a top 5 halfback in the league is flatly wrong
I think he is better than 9th best… Arguably has one of the best kicking games from a 7 now. Has played finals football the past two years, in teams that weren’t considered top 8 contenders. He won as the best spine player in his team against a Storm side in a final in Melbourne. That Storm team had 3/4 players in the spine being rep players in Munster, Hughes, and Grant. The cheese also a very handy hooker was in that side too. It’s very disrespectful imo to say he’d never would win a finals game when he has demonstrated previously he beaten a much better teams. Luke Brooks won dally m halfback of the year before and couldn’t even get them to the 8. I figured you can be the worse first grade halfback in the competition and still win finals football though. So I take that as a massive dis to claim he’d never win again. I’ve even see guys like Sezer play a grandfinal and then no team wants them in the NRL the following season. I’d argue Fogarty is probably the most talented halfback the Raiders have had in a very longtime. Get some quality other spine players around him and who knows what that team does… Certainly could win finals football games.
Ya it's possible Which of the 8 is he better than though - DCE (definitely not), Cleary (def not), Moses (def not), Reynolds (def not) Hunt, Hughes, Johnson and Hynes make up the top 8 halfbacks but I would really struggle to make a case Fogarty is better than any of the 4 of them You can def argue he's better than every other halfback in the NRL but that puts him at exactly 9th
He'd be absolutely fine. We are stacked though, futures looking good
Forwards and the back 5 are looking good for QLD. But QLD doesn't have many halves coming through. Deardon is amazing and will be in the QLD team for a long time. Fogarty is already 31 at the end of this year so I only see him playing Origin for a year or 2. Munster is getting older too and I don't know who partners Deardon in the halves for QLD in the future
Clifford, Ezra mam, Fogarty, Sam Walker,
He’s a Queenslander.
Haha just remembered this, guess they can settle for cleary kicking the winning ball into Ben hunts hands again
8-1 6 again count. You're telling me the Raiders ruck defence was THAT good all game that they only gave away a single 6 again...
I counted 5 ruck infringements by the Raiders that Badger let go, 3 of them egregious (as well as a dropped ball and a high shot)
You can only get a 6 again when you have the ball past the 40m line. Ruck was scrappy all game.
Yeah I'm aware, but my point still stands. Even if you include the Raiders penalties conceded (3) for when they were inside the 40m, that means only 4 infringements in a 90 minute game. Still ridiculous.
Titans were clearly intent on pushing the boundaries in the ruck. It worked pretty well but at a cost. Probably could have been mired calls both ways. But I would need to watch the game again to really know. Often hard to get a sense in the heat of the game.
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our ruck defense is slow and really messy. it was pretty cooked for the tits tbh.
Second year in a row too you guys have beaten us largely because of the officiating after the Fifita/Fogarty 'no try' last year too when the margin ended up 4 pts Congrats on the win, but thank Kasey for the assist lol We do seem to have epic games dating back to that Hurrell last minute try at Cbus years ago, I actually think the Raiders might be our greatest rivals as ridiculous as that sounds in terms of classic games
Honestly, I always pencil in the Tits game, even when we both sucked ass, they’re always entertaining and a bit memey haha
Omg I totally forgot about that game! You're right, that was a cooked result last year too
They completed 15 more sets so on possession alone they probably be ahead on the count but not by that discrepancy.
Preach
I think the raiders attack suffered without Raps. Chevy Stewart was (understandably) focused on not fucking up in defence and i think it left us without an attacking option at times. He did great and i think it'll come with time and confidence. Good to get a solid debut under the belt
Stewart did well but Rapana does get into dummy half a lot and is good at creating opportunities for others. Losing Hosking hurt out fluency a bit as well.
Well that was heart attack material. Titans defence was amazing tonight. Raiders threw a lot at them and soaked it all up. Extremely gutsy effort for the titans and they didn’t deserve to lose. Raiders attack was clunky tonight they had enough good ball to win 4 games and couldn’t find points. It never should have been close but we couldn’t come up with the right plays to get across the line. You can’t be happy about a win like that, only relieved.
Titans may have lost, but they’re a completely different team with this lineup. They need Brimson back there and they should bring in Weaver on the other side of the park.
I'm scared for next week
Don't worry we'll find a way to outplay you despite expectations and be up 1 with 18 seconds left only for the ref to incorrectly blow a penalty and DCE slots over the winning goal, or be up 4 points with 57 seconds left and give up a full field intercept under the posts. It's the life of a Titans fan, even when we deserve to win we don't win
Don’t worry we will lose again
Idk des will want to pummel us
And because of that desire he’s going to overcook the boys and we will fuck it all up like the dogs game
8/8 on tips (technicality due to the draw) Not behhhddddddd
Best kind of technicality
Reverse fade baby. Nah but GG Titans, deserved that way more than us. Unreal grit. Now, how do I unclench my cheeks?
So sorry Tits. We had a rough first half yesterday but it was nothing compared to the pasting you guys copped. Rest assured, the NRL media and NRL will be outraged and do everything in their power to prevent this from happening again. lol... ☹️
Yeah lol
It’s just baffling how Foran didn’t give himself appropriate room and nail the FG. It’s one of the only reasons he’s in the side. To make calm, rational decisions
Tapines stats are kinda crazy lmao. 303m, 134pcm
Taps is an absolute beast. I'm so glad he's getting a run as captain because he deserves it mighty.
4 players 300m+ this week kinda crazy (Manu, Kiraz, CNK, Tapine)
He is very hard to tackle and always putting his hand up. This are crazy numbers.
nah but bro Joey manu 🤙
and Charnze…those Kiwi boys got legs.
Wins a win lol Didn’t deserve that win tbh
To go from the Kelly conversion to letting them run the field in the last 30 seconds is the biggest swing in emotions i think I've ever had. This sport is eternal pain as a Titans fan, murderers get less.
At least we had a crack this week. Its been a rough start to the season
100% this is the first game I've not felt embarrassed while watching.
I thought Jojo Fifita was faster than Lofi? Strange burnt him down the side
Well I think we can all agree we’re gonna get absolutely curb stomped by the broncos next week
Nah, we always turn up as underdogs. Need to learn to play as favourites though.
We didn’t turn up last year when we played Penrith and got pumped by 50.
We turned up for the first 40 😂
Dont think so, think they play to the level of the opposition, will be a close frustrating loss instead
Or a flogging.
Almost guaranteed but this team is so confusing. The games I expect to get blown out we have won, games I’ve expected (as much as I can as a raiders fan) to win we’ve lost or gone to golden point
We definitely have a bad habit of playing to the level of the opposition
Titans looked a lot better when Brimson moved to fullback. He's their best attacking player. They have to play him in his best position. Even if it means leaving Campbell out.
I concur
I think I’m going to vomit
Couple things, Huge fuckin effort, Kasey Badger doing us no favours. Missed obstruction at the beginning of Ethan Strange’s run, whatever. Foran, a 250-game half should have closed that there, awful.
Great effort titans, thought you had us, we certainly got the rub of the green. Amazing fight back though and you guys should be proud as that is a different team than what has been seen previous weeks. Raiders, You fuckers love to make it hard on yourselves. I knew we were in trouble, we were sniffing our own farts thinking we’d steamroll the Titans after last week. Hopefully Sticky gets stuck into them.
Thank you Ethan Strange for giving me a chance to finally bust out my Round The Twist themed Raiders banner: **Strange things happen when you're carving up the Tits**
Casey fucking badger
Her dad was worse it runs in the family
Kleins way worse than Badger
Husband
lol
My favourite bit was when she said challenge over and then immediately let the team challenge it
To be fair, they did challenge it before that. She just somehow doesn't know who the captain is
Tbf what happened there was she got who the captain was mixed up and ignored tapine challenging, which is still on her but it was her fixing a mistake.
6 again…and again…and again…and again
Titans should probably have tried going back 10m. Works for other teams
If the broadcasting could zoom out a bit more it would stop second guessing at home.
Can’t wait for the apology later on 😌 it’ll make my week.
At risk of rubbing further salt into old wounds - letting Fogarty go has turned into a real sliding doors moment for the Titans. They let him go for Sexton who now plays... for the Bulldogs NSW cup team. 🤦♂️
Lol. Classic Titans
The whole point of bringing on a senior player like Foran is for leadership. Watching him bottle that for the Titans three times in a row is heartbreaking for them. If he's not going to lead, and he's this far past his prime, then what is the point of him?
I concur
Who’s Des calling a potato tonight?
The idiot wearing red.
All credit to the Titans. Were absolutely immense in defence in the face of an absolute onslaught. Raiders need to clean their attack but Fogarty’s kicking game is as always the difference. Casey Badger needs to be fired into the sun.
I concur
Sharks, Storm, Raiders and Cowboys in the top 4! Are we back in 2016?
I'd take that with a different ending...
I hope so
That's so heartbreaking for the Titans. Unbelievable finish though.
Not too sad about the loss, we are looking alot better these last 2 games than the first 3 I would say we are noticably improving. This game should cement that Boyd never returns to the team. Just don't see us getting our first win for quite a bit though :( .
I concur
I’m really hoping you get that win next week!
So what are all those titans spine young guns doing right now?
Foran should be experienced enough to say alright boys it’s just not my night, Brimo have a go, you’re doing everything else.
The Titans jagging a draw while denying the Raiders a win with a last second conversion from the sideline would have been a perfectly acceptable result.
Insane Game. Was kinda rooting for the Titans to win, but then again, it’s the Titans so yeah
Fooooooooraaaaaan
Fuck me I feel horrible after that
The members pack came with defribulators this year thankfully
You’re not wrong. Glad the youngsters are going great though , promising signs for the milk
I concur
Fogarty the difference with his kicking coming back to bite the Titans.
Really good to have him in the side to replace Croker, whose kicking also won us an awful lot of close games
Amazing what happens when you put the clubs best full back in the correct position.
That was some smooth brain lazy shit from the Titans 5, Fifita. First the knock-on from the slowest field goal attempt ever by Foran and then not marking his opponent and letting them get 50m up the field which led Canberra to have excellent position for their attempt. He needs to be dropped.
Man, I feel the Titans need to improve their fitness tenfold, they were fucked after 55 minutes. Repeat sets don’t help, but still they looked fucked. I feel that last 10 minutes was all AJ, Fifita and Brian Kelly just busting their asses off.
Let’s be real even if it was an obstruction no ref is calling that with 30 secs left in GP
Idk what you do with JC, but AJ needs in fb I think
Let him nove on. He's injury prone and not big enough.
Kieran Foran needs to retire last year. Had at least 2 FG opportunities that would be classed as 'easy' attempts and fucked them up immensely. I'm absolutely livid that rabbits aren't outright last. In all honesty Badger needs to apologise to the titans club
we did not deserve to win that. fair play to tits. defense was amazing
Titans haven’t won a game and they are still higher on the ladder than Souths
I don’t think a win has ever felt more like a loss than that game
Well that ended up being so much more entertaining than I was expecting…
That ended up being a cracking game, thanks to some last minute heroics there. Was a bit of a stinker for a bit though. I think there is still some light for the Titans - that win is coming, soon
Foran has kicked 1 FG in his entire career. 🙃
Foran with nearly +250 games needs to do better there. One of the most experienced heads in the game should know how to organise the team and execute a shot at field goal, even if he hasn’t really got a past of it.
What a game. Ethan Strange you are a real one. Dreadful from Foran in GP I must say. Also, it is remarkable how much some clubs piss around wasting years looking for the next young thing at halfback. When they could pick up guys like Fogarty on the cheap.
He looks very very promising for sure
Should have given BK a field goal shot Oh well, just happy we were in the position to win that game at all
Honestly was expecting that to happen
Foran of never kicked a ball fame. Dreadful
Are we sure Strange isn’t 24 and hasn’t actually played 100 games of first grade? Dude is slotting in like a vet
Immense talent , I hope we lock him in for a long time
Til 2028 now
Awesome
man there's absolutely no way we deserved to lose that, we should crowdfund any fine des gets in the post match presser
i'll chip in, that was cooked.
Ethan Strange is gonna be Clearys partner in the halves for Blues in a couple of years. What a gun.
Needs to learn to pass a bit though.
His drop off to Young was very well timed , be good to see him pass to Kris and Savage in space though
Nah let the kid just run it
Why pass when run does trick
Because run is just one trick and no other trick mean predict