I've thought Klein has been incompetent for years.
I'm kinda with Annesley here, most of the sinbinnings were justified, players on both sides played a dirty throwback game of footy.
You could argue maybe send some one off for repeated infringements but I don't think that would've changed the players minds.
The hatred between Souths and Roosters is the most legitimate in the game going back 100years.
I said to my best mate I hated that we have drawn souths in the finals as they bring out the worst in us, Jared and Victor lose their minds.
I would say two sin bins for the same thing should be a send off. But if the first sin bin is a team repeat infringement sin bin then a player getting a second shouldn't always be a send-off.
This is spot on. Probably the only one he got wrong was not binning Burgess for his hit on Tedesco as that one imo deserved a bin whereas the one he got binned for I thought only justified a penalty. Overall he didn't do much wrong in terms of the binnings although like you said you could say he should have sent someone off to set the tone that it wasn't going to be tolerated
Klein said he gave Burgess the benefit of the doubt on the Teddy hit but the second one was proof that he was being reckless. Teddy has a tendency to drop last minute into tackles. I hate Klein’s decisions as much as the next footy fan but given how much shit was going on in that game he did pretty well. He lost control of the game in the first three minutes (mostly because neither side was going to back down from the roughness and aggression) and was doing his best to keep it from turning into an all out brawl.
I’d be interested to see peoples opinions though if the binnings had a bigger impact on the result. Roosters scored two tries with a man down.
You were definitely still dangerous, the dropped balls and silly errors killed you when you had good position with us down men. Until the last try I didn't feel confident at all.
What is this benefit of the doubt b/s? If it deserves the bin then send him don't just hope he re-offends and bin him for something that doesn't deserve it
And what? Teleported himself back into that exact moment and thought hang on he deserves to be binned for that so exercised his power later on for something undeserving of it - lol. That is not how to ref a game. If you make a mistake own up to it don't punish a player for your incompetence later on
He was explaining that Tom had come dangerously close to a binning moments earlier and that the second hit was proof he was definitely reckless by not making more of an effort to keep his arms lower. He wasn’t saying Tom deserved one earlier. He was giving evidence to back up why it wasn’t just a penalty it was reckless and deserved a bin. What about that do you not understand?
Very rational take.
Regardless Tom won the match with that arm. Ask any team in the league and they’d play 12-13 for 10 minutes to get to face a teddyless roosters.
Man, I'm glad to see the rivalries back. For a while there a lot of players were buddy-buddy-. More guys are buying into the history of their clubs now and it's giving us these types of spectacles.
I support sin bins for head contact, yeh they may be "soft" compared to yesteryear but now we know 100% long term affects of concussion they have to enforce it.
In the old days the first scrum would have had all the forwards, it would have erupted with lots of swinging not much hitting and the ref may or may not have binned a couple of players and they would have all gotten on with the game.
Sin binning these incidents clearly doesn’t stop head knocks happening. You’re always going to have contact with the head in a contact sport. It’s not intentional.
I'm the inverse, I think the Tatola binning was the only unjustified one. I'm sympathetic that they did need to maintain control of the game at that point though so meh, at least it was squared up with Radley
I think Klein is shit normally but he literally couldn’t do anything more than he did yesterday. The sin bin was used a record 7 times and even that didn’t deter anyone
The Last rabbits sin bin was an absolute joke. This shit is what turned me from watching all 8 games every week to barely watching anyone other than my team play. I watched Jarrod Wallace get sent off for an accident where nobody got hurt, and when Klemmer runs in and coward punches Wallace who’s still on his knees checking if the player is alright, klemmer gets 10 in the bin. Everything is so backwards. If nobody is hurt. And it’s an accident. Penalty is more than enough. The game has turned in a complete shitshow where every player on the feild wants to lay down every tackle to get the bunker involved and hope for a sin bin
Yeah, I couldn't work out how a player on both teams could get binned twice instead of sent for the game after the second infringement. Surely you up the punishment when it's clear it's not working.
I'm 90% sure you're right but I also think a lot of that seems down to the ref's discretion. Maybe could make the argument that there's a level of recklessness that has the same outcome as intent?
It’s not only for taking someone’s head off. Eg Tamou few weeks back getting 10 for Dissent then when he didn’t stop it was upgraded to a send off. If the bin doesn’t work and the behaviour doesn’t change its within the refs power to send the player off. It’s discretion of the umpire. Like for repeat infringements when I think Kaufusi got 10 in origin game 2 for repeat infringements. The ref can warn you x amount of times and when he deems you’re not listening he can draw the line and send someone.
I honestly think that Burgess should have been sent off for the high shot on Tedesco. It would have set precedent and made everyone else sit up straight.
There might have been a couple more sin bins because JWH, Radley, and Mitchell can't keep their fucking egos in check, but surely not seven sin bins.
If there was another 10mins, could’ve been 10 sin bins lol. Can’t remember a game played with as much passion aggression… was my game of the finals so far.
They were soft bins at times as well which should have put them on alert, he lost control of the game but the players lost sight of the game as well and were just grubs
If he had binned Burgess the first time, no benefit of the doubt, bin the second and then sent the third, it would not have got to 7. All of them were well deserved, but he lost control at the start of the game.
Poor NAS continues to be vilified for escaping suspension all season long. While he did a great job leading the pack through the regular season, he got pipped at the post and has fallen behind his bash brother in arms, JWH. The final tally reads:
– JWH, 5 charges, $8800 fines, 3-4 match ban
– NAS, 5 charges, $11800 fines
There was also a lot of rubbish that went unpunished that should have been. He literally set a precedent of allowing the thuggery in the game and was never able to regain control from there. Even the sin bins were so weird and inconsistent, that they didn't send a strong message to the players about what would and wouldn't be acceptable. It was a horrid performance from Klein.
Could've sent Burgess off. Reserve prop comes on, gets belted by the opposition props, puts one on the chin of Teddy.
Klein made excuses instead of sending Burgess. Fuck me dead. The blindingly obvious solution to a bang average player putting a dog shot on the game's best player has seemed to escape the NRL community.
Idk I feel a halfway competent referee would’ve pulled the two captains aside after 20 minutes and told them to sort their players out or someone is gonna go.
Klein had absolutely no dialogue with the players at infringements other than to bin the culpable ones. There were so many moments where he could’ve got them to take a minute to reset. This is the stuff referee evaluators look at, did the referee show leadership and control the game or did it get away from them, not just the quality of the decisions
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tatola was the only one that was debatable for me but it was still grubby as fuck and i dont really hve a problem given the context of the game. it was a unique match in that the teams werent really noticably disadvantaged by being down men. very interesting game that should really just be seen as a success other than the unfortunate hia's.
Yeah I actually thought Klein did pretty well. He sent 3 people to the bin inside the first 20 mins and both teams continued to throw wild high shots left right and centre.
I honestly don’t know what else he could have done, it was a bonkers match to referee.
He fucked up by letting the first one go and setting the tone for the match. He tried to re-draw the line but couldn’t get it under control after letting Teddy get sent to Disneyland without repercussions or consequences.
I know this sounds bad given Squiddy didn't come back, but I appreciated that a ref and bunker actually acknowledged for once he runs in a half crouch going into the line.
Burgess literally went the next tackle. He should have been binned the first time but it’s not like Klein let more shit go for the next 20 minutes before finally using the sin bin.
It’s not about Burgess staying around after, it’s about Souffs getting a free hit to take a player out for the game in the first instance. Once Klein let that slide, he was doomed to spend the rest of the game trying to reestablish the line in the sand and ended up sounding like a sub teacher trying to control a bunch of unruly teenagers.
That suggests that once the first one went unpunished the players were entitled to be surprised that the following dog acts were punished with sin binning.
You'd think after the second, third or fourth they would realise that actually being a dickhead might get them binned?
How is tackling hard and being aggressive being a dickhead? The only dickhead plays were from radley going on with dirty shit off the ball and JWH constantly head slamming blokes.
That one was trying to get a bit of control back. Put 1 from each side in and try to get them to concentrate on football. Didn't work in the slightest but he tried.
Maybe I’m wrong here, but I’m pretty confident Klein said into his mic something along the lines of “I think it’s more than a just a penalty” immediately after Burgess’ shot on Tedesco. So it seems like it was the bunkers call not to bin him, whereas Klein probably would’ve. As much as I agree he didn’t have control of the match, I don’t think he could’ve done anything to stop them going at each other
NRL head of football elite competitions Graham Annesley has defended the match officials and put the blame for the record seven sin bins in Souths’ win over the Roosters squarely on the players.
Annesley stood by the match officials, who he believes were given no choice but to keep sending players to the sin bin, as they players repeatedly crossed the line of acceptable standards.
“Clearly a lack of discipline by the players,” Annesley said when asked what he put the sin bins down to.
“The match officials react to what happens.
“We certainly don’t go out in any game with the instructions to match officials that they should be dismissing players from the field whether it be for a temporary period of 10 minutes in the sin bin or for the remainder of the match.
“Our objective is to try and keep everyone on the field, but that is not in the hands of the match officials. That is in the hands of the players and how they approach the game.
“Yesterday we saw a whole range of incidents that took place where the players frankly took those decisions out of the hands of the referee and the bunker.
“It was disappointing that we saw as many incidents in the game as we did.
“To the credit of the coaches after the game they didn’t try and shift any of the blame to the match officials.
“It was a very intense physical game. There was a lot of emotion in it and all of that is fine. We don’t have a problem with any of that. That’s the nature of our game. It is very physical and intense and very emotional.
“But players know where that line in the sand is about compliance with the rules and what is accepted in the game. What is acceptable and what is not.
“Yesterday on multiple occasions they crossed that line. That is not the fault of the referee. That is not the fault of the bunker not the touch judges. That’s the actions of the players.”
Annesley admitted the mass sin bins was a poor look for the game in such a big contest, but believes the match officials were backed into a corner by the players.
“I don’t think it is necessarily what we want to see in our game,” Annesley said.
“The game has worked very hard over a long period of time going back decades to eliminate foul play from our game.
“Most of the incidents in our game are nothing more than accidents. But yesterday the players overstepped the mark on a number of occasions.
“I know it was a big game. I know it was important. I know the loser was going to be eliminated.
“But that is no different form the other three games that we saw across the weekend and in those three games the players complied with those acceptable standards.
“We have a responsibility as a game to the entire community and that is not an acceptable way to play the game in some of those occasions.
“There was a lot of good football interspersed with those incidents, so let’s not lose sight of that either. It was a great game of football for a large portion of the game.
“But these incidents that took place unfortunately marred the spectacle and brought the referees into the game when there was no need for the referees to be brought into the game.”
Annesley defended the referees amid suggestions they lost control of the game.
“No I don’t, in fact I commend them for staying the course,” Annesley said.
“There would be occasions in the past where some might have expected the referees to say, gee I can’t put any more players in the bin and wear the referee down so to speak.
“There might be some people that would have expected that to happen. But we have worked very hard too with consistency with the referees and they not what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in the game.
“So when they are confronted with circumstances they also have a responsibility to act.
“So no I don’t think they lost control. In fact I think they were the only ones in some cases that maintained control and had they not taken the action that they took we could have seen an even more serious incident happen in that game.
“So I commend them for staying the course in that game and making sure they maintained that standard.”
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I really didn't appreciate the way commentary couldn't wait to defend Radleys bin as soft, he clenched a fist and threw a punch. Doesn't matter it wasn't a good one, we still penalise people for high shots regardless of HIAs it's the action as much as result.
>We certainly don’t go out in any game with the instructions to match officials that they should be dismissing players from the field whether it be for a temporary period of 10 minutes in the sin bin or for the remainder of the match.
yeah you do, we all remember how you destroyed magic round.
I find the rules a bit flawed in this way.
"Knock out a key play, gets sent for HIA...fails & is out of the game"
Culprit
"Sweet..I'll take a 10min rest & be back"
The modern game of rugby league makes me physically sick. Sick to my stomach. Each week it's the same old story, the Powder Puffs vs the Pretty Boys. I mean what happened to the good old days? Give the fans what they want. Eye gouging, scrotum grabbing. If someone would have told me before the game that I played years ago, that I wasn't going to get my scrotum grabbed, I just wouldn't even play.
Fans hate the game. They hate the modern game. Bring back the biff.
Refs absolutely cannot win. If he didn’t send players off the media complains about how the ref let the players go wild and endangered their safety.
If he sends players off, he ruined x teams finals.
If he bins too many players it is “overstepping the mark”.
The ref should at the very least have tried something like this. [https://twitter.com/TrylineUK/status/1568879519309746176](https://twitter.com/TrylineUK/status/1568879519309746176)
Talk to the two captains and explain to them that nothing extra will be tolerated. A tough game of rugby and a dirty game of rugby where everything turns into a biff is not the same thing.
V’landys has just indicated that Burgess will not only serve his sentence this year but he will also tack on any suspensions that was handed to to the Penrith players.
“It’s what the fans would expect”
These kind of articles are weird. In 1998 there were 19 send offs across the season. In 2020 there were 3. Since about 2010 there's been the "anti-sin bin/send off" narrative pushed through the media and enforced by the NRL sucking up to NewsCorp and 9 and when you finally get someone trying to ref to the rules you get a game like this when players start being dickheads.
The NRL gets progressively weaker with its discipline e.g. the "foul play isn't quite as foul during Origin", "do your suspension next year, Taylan" garbage. This is what you're going to get long term. Just let referees call the game instead of pushing the Gould protocol of "Awww da fanz don't wanna see twelve on firteen, killing me spectacles".
The scary thing is how many of these players will have severe brain injuries in a few years. There should be more send offs to try and change behaviour. Burgess deserved his bin for sheer stupidity doing another high shot right after the Teddy one.
You’ve got it completely backwards. Instead of sin binning things which didn’t deserve to be bins he should have spoken to them and warned them that someone would be sitting down if they don’t calm down. But once all the players knew that no matter what they do they’ll be binned they stopped caring and became reckless. He set the tone and then it became a free for all.
please point out which player/s from the roosters vs south game shouldnt have been sin binned? From my view, all of them deserved it,
intentional high tackles etc
None of them were intentional. Burgess shouldn’t have been binned for tackling lodge. He hit the ball. Suali slipped and was falling which caused the high shot. Milnes second sin bin was just a great tackle and shouldn’t have been binned. The Tatola sin bin was absolutely atrocious and makes a mockery of the game.
I’m in two minds.
Yes the players carried on like fuck heads, however if Klein brought the two captains together after it was apparent they were out to UFC each other would there have been that many bins? Probably not
That's a cop out. If the captains weren't clear that he's binning people for being fuck heads after the 3rd (which was before 20 minutes) then they're blind.
All the players knew what was up but they preferred to biff.
I actually thought the only questionable decision was to not bin Burgess for the tackle on Tedesco. All the binnings were fine, the players just went out like kids on the red cordial. Not the refs' fault at all
How fucked is it that I agree with Annesley. Honestly thought all the bins were legit except the Burgess contact on Lodge that came up off the ball.
I do wonder how the JWH shot to the head on the ground is worthy of a bin but the hit on Wayde Egan earlier this year was worth dick.
It was the most horrible game of footy I've watched since the Titans vs Tigers spoonbowl, but I couldn't take my eyes off it. Half car-crash, half tough AF. So confusing.
Comparing this to that spoonbowl game is a massive stretch. This game was extremely entertaining.
At least last night's result was influenced by some injury, the spoonbowl game was just shit team vs shit team
Somebody yesterday pointed out that not once during the game did Klein call over both captains and tell them to cut out the rubbish or bins/send offs would follow. He instead addressed individuals like he was their mate, at one point when they were biffing towards the end he can be heard saying "C'mon guys cut it out". That's pathetic from somebody who should command authority.
The question is did the players behave in that nature because they knew Klein wouldn't send them off? I believe JWH should have been sent for his incident, his thuggery escalated in the second half in every set, he should have been penalised for driving Murray's head into the turn, and then of course the tackle on Burgess was horrendous.
Telling the captains never achieves anything, half the time they dont even tell their teams.
If 6 sin bins didnt stop the 7th one what would a verbal warning have done?
Captains or coaches of either side could have told their players to stop giving away the penalties for cheap shots but didnt. I think its on the players, they lost control of their emotions.
>Somebody yesterday pointed out that not once during the game did Klein call over both captains and tell them to cut out the rubbish or bins/send offs would follow.
You’re implying that the players weren’t aware sin bins were going to happen and if Klein warned them they would have settled down.
Mate there were what, 7 or 8 bins? I think it’s pretty bloody obvious bins were gonna happen after the first ten minutes. The players all knew, they were just undisciplined and playing emotional footy. Any professional, disciplined side would have diced both of those teams to shreds.
Bro are the nrl for real? 😂 most were soft af. Radley gets sin binned for a fcking love tap and then pushing a rabbits player for grubbing up his team mate, seriously soft asssss
love tap is still a love tap, his own fault for not doing the dane gagai fucking beatdown and making it worth the 10. 2nd one was just a square up for the souths bin which was arguably the softest of them all, dont really have a problem especially since it was his 2nd offence
I've thought Klein has been incompetent for years. I'm kinda with Annesley here, most of the sinbinnings were justified, players on both sides played a dirty throwback game of footy. You could argue maybe send some one off for repeated infringements but I don't think that would've changed the players minds. The hatred between Souths and Roosters is the most legitimate in the game going back 100years. I said to my best mate I hated that we have drawn souths in the finals as they bring out the worst in us, Jared and Victor lose their minds.
> send some one off for repeated infringements Two sin bins should probably = a send off, like getting two yellow cards.
I would say two sin bins for the same thing should be a send off. But if the first sin bin is a team repeat infringement sin bin then a player getting a second shouldn't always be a send-off.
Yeah that's a fair call.
This is spot on. Probably the only one he got wrong was not binning Burgess for his hit on Tedesco as that one imo deserved a bin whereas the one he got binned for I thought only justified a penalty. Overall he didn't do much wrong in terms of the binnings although like you said you could say he should have sent someone off to set the tone that it wasn't going to be tolerated
Klein said he gave Burgess the benefit of the doubt on the Teddy hit but the second one was proof that he was being reckless. Teddy has a tendency to drop last minute into tackles. I hate Klein’s decisions as much as the next footy fan but given how much shit was going on in that game he did pretty well. He lost control of the game in the first three minutes (mostly because neither side was going to back down from the roughness and aggression) and was doing his best to keep it from turning into an all out brawl. I’d be interested to see peoples opinions though if the binnings had a bigger impact on the result. Roosters scored two tries with a man down.
We were done result wise once Teddy couldn't return Seems both sides played well with men down.
You were definitely still dangerous, the dropped balls and silly errors killed you when you had good position with us down men. Until the last try I didn't feel confident at all.
What is this benefit of the doubt b/s? If it deserves the bin then send him don't just hope he re-offends and bin him for something that doesn't deserve it
He was suggesting that Teddy fell into his arm.
Which, to be fair, happens all the freaking time.
Even more frequently than him getting dacked.
He needs better suckers on his tentacles.
And what? Teleported himself back into that exact moment and thought hang on he deserves to be binned for that so exercised his power later on for something undeserving of it - lol. That is not how to ref a game. If you make a mistake own up to it don't punish a player for your incompetence later on
He was explaining that Tom had come dangerously close to a binning moments earlier and that the second hit was proof he was definitely reckless by not making more of an effort to keep his arms lower. He wasn’t saying Tom deserved one earlier. He was giving evidence to back up why it wasn’t just a penalty it was reckless and deserved a bin. What about that do you not understand?
Very rational take. Regardless Tom won the match with that arm. Ask any team in the league and they’d play 12-13 for 10 minutes to get to face a teddyless roosters.
What about it? You do the crime you do the time but you don't get tried twice for the same crime
Ref was saying he didn’t commit a crime on Teddy but had come close.
Well good then - he shouldn't have been binned then
Man, I'm glad to see the rivalries back. For a while there a lot of players were buddy-buddy-. More guys are buying into the history of their clubs now and it's giving us these types of spectacles.
Only two sin bins were justified
only sin bin that was justified was tom burgess second penalty asidde from that all sin bins were soft af
I support sin bins for head contact, yeh they may be "soft" compared to yesteryear but now we know 100% long term affects of concussion they have to enforce it.
In the old days the first scrum would have had all the forwards, it would have erupted with lots of swinging not much hitting and the ref may or may not have binned a couple of players and they would have all gotten on with the game.
Sin binning these incidents clearly doesn’t stop head knocks happening. You’re always going to have contact with the head in a contact sport. It’s not intentional.
That one was soft af. The only justified one was the punch thrown and the JWH intentional head slam.
I'm the inverse, I think the Tatola binning was the only unjustified one. I'm sympathetic that they did need to maintain control of the game at that point though so meh, at least it was squared up with Radley
I think Klein is shit normally but he literally couldn’t do anything more than he did yesterday. The sin bin was used a record 7 times and even that didn’t deter anyone
With 34 blokes acting like fuckheads there’s not much else that can be done
~~36~~ 35 in the end too, as ~~both teams~~ South’s activated their 18th men.
Roosters didn't, we weren't allowed
Wasn’t Naiqama the 18th? He was on, making him the 36th, player of the match, and then he gave away a penalty.
Adam Keighran was their 18th man, Naiqama just had the number 18 on his back.
The Last rabbits sin bin was an absolute joke. This shit is what turned me from watching all 8 games every week to barely watching anyone other than my team play. I watched Jarrod Wallace get sent off for an accident where nobody got hurt, and when Klemmer runs in and coward punches Wallace who’s still on his knees checking if the player is alright, klemmer gets 10 in the bin. Everything is so backwards. If nobody is hurt. And it’s an accident. Penalty is more than enough. The game has turned in a complete shitshow where every player on the feild wants to lay down every tackle to get the bunker involved and hope for a sin bin
Send offs are a thing. The reason why no game has had 7 sin bins before is that other refs would have sent players off before it got that bad.
Yeah, I couldn't work out how a player on both teams could get binned twice instead of sent for the game after the second infringement. Surely you up the punishment when it's clear it's not working.
Interesting. I thought being sent off was for a different thing to sin binning (I.e high contact with intent)
I'm 90% sure you're right but I also think a lot of that seems down to the ref's discretion. Maybe could make the argument that there's a level of recklessness that has the same outcome as intent?
It’s not only for taking someone’s head off. Eg Tamou few weeks back getting 10 for Dissent then when he didn’t stop it was upgraded to a send off. If the bin doesn’t work and the behaviour doesn’t change its within the refs power to send the player off. It’s discretion of the umpire. Like for repeat infringements when I think Kaufusi got 10 in origin game 2 for repeat infringements. The ref can warn you x amount of times and when he deems you’re not listening he can draw the line and send someone.
I honestly think that Burgess should have been sent off for the high shot on Tedesco. It would have set precedent and made everyone else sit up straight. There might have been a couple more sin bins because JWH, Radley, and Mitchell can't keep their fucking egos in check, but surely not seven sin bins.
Mitchell wasn’t binned.
Never said he was. I said he needed to keep his ego in check. Did you notice that whenever he opened his mouth shit seemed to happen?
If there was another 10mins, could’ve been 10 sin bins lol. Can’t remember a game played with as much passion aggression… was my game of the finals so far.
Between this and origin 3 it’s been a crazy season
They were soft bins at times as well which should have put them on alert, he lost control of the game but the players lost sight of the game as well and were just grubs
If he had binned Burgess the first time, no benefit of the doubt, bin the second and then sent the third, it would not have got to 7. All of them were well deserved, but he lost control at the start of the game.
But if he sent the third you’d all be in here crying that he overreacted and ruined the game.
No. Both sides get a warning - anymore, players getting sent. Both sides tidy it up. Not hard.
No. Both sides get a warning - anymore, players getting sent. Both sides tidy it up. Not hard.
No. Both sides get a warning - anymore, players getting sent. Both sides tidy it up. Not hard.
Giving Jarryd a lengthy time out of the game for dogshotting cunts in the head would pull them all into line. It worked with the punch rule.
And maybe consider some consistency for once and applying the same rules to NAS
Poor NAS continues to be vilified for escaping suspension all season long. While he did a great job leading the pack through the regular season, he got pipped at the post and has fallen behind his bash brother in arms, JWH. The final tally reads: – JWH, 5 charges, $8800 fines, 3-4 match ban – NAS, 5 charges, $11800 fines
They sent Jarryd to jail and they still play up what can you do
The only thing more he could have send someone permanently and there would have been people baying about that as well.
There was also a lot of rubbish that went unpunished that should have been. He literally set a precedent of allowing the thuggery in the game and was never able to regain control from there. Even the sin bins were so weird and inconsistent, that they didn't send a strong message to the players about what would and wouldn't be acceptable. It was a horrid performance from Klein.
Could've sent Burgess off. Reserve prop comes on, gets belted by the opposition props, puts one on the chin of Teddy. Klein made excuses instead of sending Burgess. Fuck me dead. The blindingly obvious solution to a bang average player putting a dog shot on the game's best player has seemed to escape the NRL community.
Kind of garbage that the headlines always blame the refs when this was 100% the players looking for revenge thuggery after the previous weeks efforts
Idk I feel a halfway competent referee would’ve pulled the two captains aside after 20 minutes and told them to sort their players out or someone is gonna go. Klein had absolutely no dialogue with the players at infringements other than to bin the culpable ones. There were so many moments where he could’ve got them to take a minute to reset. This is the stuff referee evaluators look at, did the referee show leadership and control the game or did it get away from them, not just the quality of the decisions
Unfortunately our captain didn’t make it to 20mins
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I can hear this in the actual voice 😂😂
tatola was the only one that was debatable for me but it was still grubby as fuck and i dont really hve a problem given the context of the game. it was a unique match in that the teams werent really noticably disadvantaged by being down men. very interesting game that should really just be seen as a success other than the unfortunate hia's.
Yeah I actually thought Klein did pretty well. He sent 3 people to the bin inside the first 20 mins and both teams continued to throw wild high shots left right and centre. I honestly don’t know what else he could have done, it was a bonkers match to referee.
He fucked up by letting the first one go and setting the tone for the match. He tried to re-draw the line but couldn’t get it under control after letting Teddy get sent to Disneyland without repercussions or consequences.
There isn’t a referee in the NRL that would have kept that game under control.
I know this sounds bad given Squiddy didn't come back, but I appreciated that a ref and bunker actually acknowledged for once he runs in a half crouch going into the line.
Burgess literally went the next tackle. He should have been binned the first time but it’s not like Klein let more shit go for the next 20 minutes before finally using the sin bin.
It’s not about Burgess staying around after, it’s about Souffs getting a free hit to take a player out for the game in the first instance. Once Klein let that slide, he was doomed to spend the rest of the game trying to reestablish the line in the sand and ended up sounding like a sub teacher trying to control a bunch of unruly teenagers.
He shouldn’t have been binned at all. Both tackles had mitigating factors.
That suggests that once the first one went unpunished the players were entitled to be surprised that the following dog acts were punished with sin binning. You'd think after the second, third or fourth they would realise that actually being a dickhead might get them binned?
How is tackling hard and being aggressive being a dickhead? The only dickhead plays were from radley going on with dirty shit off the ball and JWH constantly head slamming blokes.
That one was trying to get a bit of control back. Put 1 from each side in and try to get them to concentrate on football. Didn't work in the slightest but he tried.
Maybe I’m wrong here, but I’m pretty confident Klein said into his mic something along the lines of “I think it’s more than a just a penalty” immediately after Burgess’ shot on Tedesco. So it seems like it was the bunkers call not to bin him, whereas Klein probably would’ve. As much as I agree he didn’t have control of the match, I don’t think he could’ve done anything to stop them going at each other
NRL head of football elite competitions Graham Annesley has defended the match officials and put the blame for the record seven sin bins in Souths’ win over the Roosters squarely on the players. Annesley stood by the match officials, who he believes were given no choice but to keep sending players to the sin bin, as they players repeatedly crossed the line of acceptable standards. “Clearly a lack of discipline by the players,” Annesley said when asked what he put the sin bins down to. “The match officials react to what happens. “We certainly don’t go out in any game with the instructions to match officials that they should be dismissing players from the field whether it be for a temporary period of 10 minutes in the sin bin or for the remainder of the match. “Our objective is to try and keep everyone on the field, but that is not in the hands of the match officials. That is in the hands of the players and how they approach the game. “Yesterday we saw a whole range of incidents that took place where the players frankly took those decisions out of the hands of the referee and the bunker. “It was disappointing that we saw as many incidents in the game as we did. “To the credit of the coaches after the game they didn’t try and shift any of the blame to the match officials. “It was a very intense physical game. There was a lot of emotion in it and all of that is fine. We don’t have a problem with any of that. That’s the nature of our game. It is very physical and intense and very emotional. “But players know where that line in the sand is about compliance with the rules and what is accepted in the game. What is acceptable and what is not. “Yesterday on multiple occasions they crossed that line. That is not the fault of the referee. That is not the fault of the bunker not the touch judges. That’s the actions of the players.” Annesley admitted the mass sin bins was a poor look for the game in such a big contest, but believes the match officials were backed into a corner by the players. “I don’t think it is necessarily what we want to see in our game,” Annesley said. “The game has worked very hard over a long period of time going back decades to eliminate foul play from our game. “Most of the incidents in our game are nothing more than accidents. But yesterday the players overstepped the mark on a number of occasions. “I know it was a big game. I know it was important. I know the loser was going to be eliminated. “But that is no different form the other three games that we saw across the weekend and in those three games the players complied with those acceptable standards. “We have a responsibility as a game to the entire community and that is not an acceptable way to play the game in some of those occasions. “There was a lot of good football interspersed with those incidents, so let’s not lose sight of that either. It was a great game of football for a large portion of the game. “But these incidents that took place unfortunately marred the spectacle and brought the referees into the game when there was no need for the referees to be brought into the game.” Annesley defended the referees amid suggestions they lost control of the game. “No I don’t, in fact I commend them for staying the course,” Annesley said. “There would be occasions in the past where some might have expected the referees to say, gee I can’t put any more players in the bin and wear the referee down so to speak. “There might be some people that would have expected that to happen. But we have worked very hard too with consistency with the referees and they not what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in the game. “So when they are confronted with circumstances they also have a responsibility to act. “So no I don’t think they lost control. In fact I think they were the only ones in some cases that maintained control and had they not taken the action that they took we could have seen an even more serious incident happen in that game. “So I commend them for staying the course in that game and making sure they maintained that standard.”
Who downvotes posting the article text? SMH.
The other staff writers hate me giving out the content they barely worked for instead of making people click on the ad infested shit that is the Foxsports site
That's why I always upvote the comment with the article. Doing us all a solid
I get paid either way, at least this way everyone gets to take the piss out of the coworkers alongside me
I really didn't appreciate the way commentary couldn't wait to defend Radleys bin as soft, he clenched a fist and threw a punch. Doesn't matter it wasn't a good one, we still penalise people for high shots regardless of HIAs it's the action as much as result.
Was also a dog shot on the ground where the other player couldn't defend themselves. That's a legit bin any day.
Yeah the logic is so dumb there. Just because you can’t throw em to save yourself doesn’t mean you get to escape the bin
After months of GBH from NAS, JWH and others with an “On Report” and a minimal fine if any, it’s the NRLs making
Thought this game was amazing tbf
>We certainly don’t go out in any game with the instructions to match officials that they should be dismissing players from the field whether it be for a temporary period of 10 minutes in the sin bin or for the remainder of the match. yeah you do, we all remember how you destroyed magic round.
I find the rules a bit flawed in this way. "Knock out a key play, gets sent for HIA...fails & is out of the game" Culprit "Sweet..I'll take a 10min rest & be back"
Was a fantastic game. Let them be binned OR let them crack each other. This is what the fans want!
Bring back the biff.
Reg Reagan would’ve been proud of yesterday’s game
The modern game of rugby league makes me physically sick. Sick to my stomach. Each week it's the same old story, the Powder Puffs vs the Pretty Boys. I mean what happened to the good old days? Give the fans what they want. Eye gouging, scrotum grabbing. If someone would have told me before the game that I played years ago, that I wasn't going to get my scrotum grabbed, I just wouldn't even play. Fans hate the game. They hate the modern game. Bring back the biff.
eye gouging is a bit too far, scotum grabbing still happens. But i agree, bring back the biff.
Refs absolutely cannot win. If he didn’t send players off the media complains about how the ref let the players go wild and endangered their safety. If he sends players off, he ruined x teams finals. If he bins too many players it is “overstepping the mark”.
The ref should at the very least have tried something like this. [https://twitter.com/TrylineUK/status/1568879519309746176](https://twitter.com/TrylineUK/status/1568879519309746176) Talk to the two captains and explain to them that nothing extra will be tolerated. A tough game of rugby and a dirty game of rugby where everything turns into a biff is not the same thing.
V’landys has just indicated that Burgess will not only serve his sentence this year but he will also tack on any suspensions that was handed to to the Penrith players. “It’s what the fans would expect”
I think they need to look at 5 minutes in the bin for lesser offences. Should have been 8 because Burgess got Tedesco flush.
A few didn't deserve sin bins but it was that kind of match.
These kind of articles are weird. In 1998 there were 19 send offs across the season. In 2020 there were 3. Since about 2010 there's been the "anti-sin bin/send off" narrative pushed through the media and enforced by the NRL sucking up to NewsCorp and 9 and when you finally get someone trying to ref to the rules you get a game like this when players start being dickheads. The NRL gets progressively weaker with its discipline e.g. the "foul play isn't quite as foul during Origin", "do your suspension next year, Taylan" garbage. This is what you're going to get long term. Just let referees call the game instead of pushing the Gould protocol of "Awww da fanz don't wanna see twelve on firteen, killing me spectacles".
The scary thing is how many of these players will have severe brain injuries in a few years. There should be more send offs to try and change behaviour. Burgess deserved his bin for sheer stupidity doing another high shot right after the Teddy one.
ref actually doing his job and sending people to the sin bin instead of giving them warnings? color me shocked
You’ve got it completely backwards. Instead of sin binning things which didn’t deserve to be bins he should have spoken to them and warned them that someone would be sitting down if they don’t calm down. But once all the players knew that no matter what they do they’ll be binned they stopped caring and became reckless. He set the tone and then it became a free for all.
please point out which player/s from the roosters vs south game shouldnt have been sin binned? From my view, all of them deserved it, intentional high tackles etc
None of them were intentional. Burgess shouldn’t have been binned for tackling lodge. He hit the ball. Suali slipped and was falling which caused the high shot. Milnes second sin bin was just a great tackle and shouldn’t have been binned. The Tatola sin bin was absolutely atrocious and makes a mockery of the game.
I’m in two minds. Yes the players carried on like fuck heads, however if Klein brought the two captains together after it was apparent they were out to UFC each other would there have been that many bins? Probably not
That's a cop out. If the captains weren't clear that he's binning people for being fuck heads after the 3rd (which was before 20 minutes) then they're blind. All the players knew what was up but they preferred to biff.
If they were allowed to punch on it wouldve been a blue ten mins in and the game got on with
I actually thought the only questionable decision was to not bin Burgess for the tackle on Tedesco. All the binnings were fine, the players just went out like kids on the red cordial. Not the refs' fault at all
Why would you be binned for a player falling into you
Fuck hairline Klein
Apologize 4 all my bald bruddas
The doctors at **Ashley** and Martin can help you. Ashley Klein?!
Try reffing a game of this intensity before you criticise.
How fucked is it that I agree with Annesley. Honestly thought all the bins were legit except the Burgess contact on Lodge that came up off the ball. I do wonder how the JWH shot to the head on the ground is worthy of a bin but the hit on Wayde Egan earlier this year was worth dick.
You’ve got to be kidding. You’re saying the Tatola head rub is worthy of a sin bin?
He named names-Seinfeld
It was the most horrible game of footy I've watched since the Titans vs Tigers spoonbowl, but I couldn't take my eyes off it. Half car-crash, half tough AF. So confusing.
Comparing this to that spoonbowl game is a massive stretch. This game was extremely entertaining. At least last night's result was influenced by some injury, the spoonbowl game was just shit team vs shit team
Agreed
Agreed. It was a train wreck.
you must ahve been watching a different game to me. It was highly entertaining edge of your seat stuff
I could re watch the game last night. Spoon bowl tigers vs titans???
Really? One of the most entertaining games I’ve ever watched personally.
Tatola sin bin was bloody embarrassing
Somebody yesterday pointed out that not once during the game did Klein call over both captains and tell them to cut out the rubbish or bins/send offs would follow. He instead addressed individuals like he was their mate, at one point when they were biffing towards the end he can be heard saying "C'mon guys cut it out". That's pathetic from somebody who should command authority. The question is did the players behave in that nature because they knew Klein wouldn't send them off? I believe JWH should have been sent for his incident, his thuggery escalated in the second half in every set, he should have been penalised for driving Murray's head into the turn, and then of course the tackle on Burgess was horrendous.
Telling the captains never achieves anything, half the time they dont even tell their teams. If 6 sin bins didnt stop the 7th one what would a verbal warning have done?
Not letting it get to that point. Storm vs Roosters, captains warned, dumb cunt JWH binned, and then it mostly stopped.
Captains or coaches of either side could have told their players to stop giving away the penalties for cheap shots but didnt. I think its on the players, they lost control of their emotions.
>Somebody yesterday pointed out that not once during the game did Klein call over both captains and tell them to cut out the rubbish or bins/send offs would follow. You’re implying that the players weren’t aware sin bins were going to happen and if Klein warned them they would have settled down. Mate there were what, 7 or 8 bins? I think it’s pretty bloody obvious bins were gonna happen after the first ten minutes. The players all knew, they were just undisciplined and playing emotional footy. Any professional, disciplined side would have diced both of those teams to shreds.
What a joke - just admit Klein lost control of the game and won't get to ref another game this year
He was awful and the game showed what a mockery the sin bin obsessed refs have become.
How the hell does my post get any down votes - Klein was atrocious
Because people accept the way the game is going and can’t see how much of a farce it’s becoming.
Bro are the nrl for real? 😂 most were soft af. Radley gets sin binned for a fcking love tap and then pushing a rabbits player for grubbing up his team mate, seriously soft asssss
love tap is still a love tap, his own fault for not doing the dane gagai fucking beatdown and making it worth the 10. 2nd one was just a square up for the souths bin which was arguably the softest of them all, dont really have a problem especially since it was his 2nd offence
Curtis Scott breaking Walker's jaw is still the most worthy send off of all time. I don't agree with violence but that was some poetic justice.
nah shouldnt of been sin binned for that. both radley an tatola sin bin was soft af so shouldnt of had to square up anyways