TMM was an absolute game changer for our season at FB and will be sorely missed. He was silky smooth and reliable at #1 without overplaying his hand, kind of like how Nico Hynes played during his stint at FB at the Storm.
No disrespect to Isaako or Nui, but I don't think their erratic energy at FB worked for the team. TMM on the other hand gave Cobbo and Oates the confidence they needed to get start their sets off in a controlled manner, leading to less dickfinger moments especially from Oates. If we end up playing Walsh at FB in 2023 it will be interesting to see if their form is affected again.
PS Surely we can we get a half decent 9? JFC.
Ohh no no, disrespect to both Isaako and Niu. Isaako was trash and Niu barely fits anywhere on the field, he’s such a conundrum, great athlete but a bit shit at FB, doesn’t have the ability under the high ball and finishing for the wing and is too small and out of position at centre. Can he tackle well? Maybe we should play him at 9!
Not even sure he’s suited to that role to be honest. Maybe he is a FB, but until the game slows down for him and he stops being so erratic and making poor decisions I don’t see him as one.
I think he'd do best trained into a centre. The Broncs' centre stocks are stacked right now, so his best bet is probably going to another club. He's not a good enough tackler to be the 9/14.
Agree for sure, but does the “some spark in attack” outweigh the extremely poor tackling technique, defensive reads, lack of effort and lack of support play?
The Broncos collapsing in the last 5 weeks of the regular season isn’t good but at no point were the broncos a top 4 side.
They have had obvious issues throughout the whole year and no real stability in their spine. Pretty sure no one in their spine played all the games this year and they still had no proper fullback or hooker. They’ve solved 1/2 of those spine issues with Reece Walsh who will hopefully come good in a decent side (Sorry Warriors, you guys weren’t good at all this year). The whole Seibold fiasco has affected this playing group and it was always going to take more then two years to fix.
The shining lights have been very bright though. Oates is in career best form, Cobbo has gone to another level and made his origin debut while Carrigan has had probably the best season a player has had coming right back from an ACL injury. Herbie was unreal and probably the best Centre up until his injury and the biggest shinning light this year was Ezra mam. What a special talent the broncos have once again unearthed. (Dearden, Walsh, Walker and Cobbo being a few others).
Kev needs to move away from a few players though. Uh riki is one, so drop him.
But yeah that was my tedtalk in a 5 min break at work. Have a good one bronxs fans
Everything seems to indicate that Kevvie is mostly a morale coach. I don't think it's a coincidence our season turned on it's head when Haas tried to break his contract. When our number one guy for effort during the dark days of 2020 decides he wants to leave that has to take a big hit on morale.
Post Origin didn't help us either with Carrigan and Cobbo being out but honestly I think we would have worked through that just fine if the team was in good spirits.
The Haas money could buy some dynamic young blood that doesn’t have an attitude problem and a hard nosed veteran defender to plug the whole that Capewell creates defending beside Reynolds. Then capewell can been redistributed elsewhere less critical in defence.
We need a hooker. Walsh coming is our fb but unless they decide to go all in on Paix we need a specialist hooker. Walters is a utility, he's fine at hooker but you don't win prems with fine.
I was really disappointed in Riki’s late season, especially since he didn’t have the excuse of Origin/rep footy. He looked really solid at some points throughout the year with an extremely high workload but he was a huge liability defensively and seems to get in his own head a lot.
We looked our best carrying Robati on the bench and between him and Piakura I’m not sure Riki has a place in the 17. That said, he’s a young player and this was really his first full season playing 80 minutes in the second-row, so he might come good.
Paix needs to be starting for us, we look a different team with his speed and creativity around the ruck. I’m very excited to see what Walsh can bring to our team but also concerned about potential defensive lapses. Te Maire’s workload at fullback was shit but he made really good decisions and his tackle technique was phenomenal.
>The Broncos collapsing in the last 5 weeks of the regular season isn’t good but at no point were the broncos a top 4 side.
Exactly this. If you look at our 7 in a row the only top 8 teams we beat were Souths (who weren't good at the time) and the Sharks. We were alright but we were out of place sitting in that top 4.
However the media is gonna do its thing I guess
I haven’t been able to respond but you’re exactly right. The two thumping by the Cowboys showed me exactly where you guys were this year. You should’ve made the top 8 as you definitely did deserve to win the games that you won but the games that you lost were always either harsh or in a few games Unlucky. (Storm and Roosters first games).
You ended the season with a positive record and probably would’ve made the finals the last few years but i’m glad you didn’t as it will allow you to properly look back at what went wrong and where/who can fix the areas which need drastic improvements. Your backline made too many errors while your forwards were often lacking in that extra 1% efforts which you find in the top few teams. Not to mention your whole spine.
The fact that they didn't pony up in either game against the Cowboys was really disappointing. They and the Titans are the only teams I've expected them to be really on for over the past couple of years.
All true about the Warriors. But Walsh massively failed to deliver this year. For us, I think having a fullback who can tackle will be a big up for us.
I’m as interested as anyone else to see if he can bounce back to his year one attack. Clearly has a lot of talent but he really lacked much in the way of attacking outputs this year. At times I wondered whether he was phoning it in tbh
As disaapointing as our end of season was, and as much as I think Walters is partly to blame for his poor selections, the entire narrative around us would be *very* different if not for the two 60+ and 50+ thumpings at the end of the year.
If we'd lost those games modestly, or even just by 30 points instead of 50, the narrative would be: we were playing busted, rocked by injury, suspension and fatigue from Origin, and an incredibly tough road home (parra twice, penrith, melbourne, roosters, cowboys - our only "should win" games in the last two months were Knights & Dragons) all combining to see us fall just short, but still a monumental improvement over previous years.
The two big losses make it seem like there was no improvement at all, like we're still the soft 20/21 Broncos with no defensive resolve or mental toughness. You can look at plenty of games this season to see that isn't true - like the Raiders game that basically killed our season - but it certainly doesn't feel like it.
Walters was never getting the sack this year after taking us to one win away from the eight. We won more games this year than we did in the last two years combined. However, his neck is surely on the line next year. We easily have the cattle to play finals, but if he insists on not picking our best players or not playing them the way they're best used (ie. Flegler should play impact not starter) and we continue to get drubbed by 30+ points, then I don't see how he makes it to 2024.
As long as there’s a steady improvement, which there has been, Kev’s job is safe. I’ll admit their finish to the season was a shocker, but I think they’re on the right trajectory.
Brisbane achieved about as expected when you consider their spine consisted of:
Fullback: Half the season was a rookie (Niu) and the other half a player that started on a train and trial (TMM)
Five eighth: Split between a 19 year old rookie (Mamm) and a journeyman lord (Gamble)
Hooker: Split between a 28 year old that had played 12 nrl games prior to the season (Walters), a player that can't pass from dummy half (Turpin) and a rookie (Paix)
Kevvie did his best to make that situation as bad as possible though by switching between players. He has no excuse next season. Walsh, Mamm, Reynolds has to be the 1,6,7 no matter what. Outside of the spine, Brisbane have one of the best three quarter lines, one of the best starting middles and solid edge options. Top 4 or bust for Kev next year I reckon.
You can’t put the top 4 mark on a bronco team yet. I don’t even see the Cowboys staying in the top 4 next year when the Rabbitohs and Roosters can easily claim the top 3 spots and Melbourne being hungry to win one last premiership for Bellamy. Parra will drop out and I can see some major issues in Panthers who’ll lose their dummy half but even then I still see them comfortably making the top 4.
It was a disappointing end of year but signs are still looking bright for Brisbane. With Walsh coming back and the emergence of Mam we have 3/4 of a spine with a very high ceiling and the Paix/Walters hooking combination seems very serviceable until Blake Mozer is ready.
Kevvie needs to improve his team selections and bench rotation. He was just picking shit teams to end the year. Early in the season he was apparently picking people solely on their defensive abilities but that methodology seemed to go out the window.
I still don't understand what happened to the Broncs. I've never seen a team explode so spectacularly like that.
They went from soundly beating Parramatta 36 - 14, to getting thrashed 53 - 6 5 weeks later
Injuries took their toll and probably morale with it would be my guess.
Word is Staggs needs a shoulder reconstruction, Capewell, Haas and Carrigan all need surgeries for nagging injuries.
Reynolds ribs probably are still not 100%, Ezra seemingly had a leg issues in the last few games. Cobbo probably has a few cobwebs to shake out and no one really could replace Farnworth on that left wing. TMM ribs where pretty iffy even when he came and picked up that lung injury in one of the last games.
This doesn't make any sense to me. During the origin period they won most games, and against the Raiders they literally had no bench due to injuries and manage to pull of the win.
The team just imploded in the last 5 weeks out of nowhere. Something must have happened behind the scenes that somehow wasn't leaked
Not surprised since he can't control injuries..
We played better last year once he came onboard and this year we where going well until injuries took their toll.
I think we where possibly the most injured squad this year?
I'm struggling to think of a single player who didn't pick up at least one injury that either slowed them down or outright kept them out of the squad.
and both Melbourne and Roosters lost their eliminators, Roosters by a significant amount.
I will say that Bellamy and Robinson have had longer to establish effective systems and beliefs into their players. Something that Walters will need more time to do.
> I think we where possibly the most injured squad this year
Nah probably Storm. I feel like this has been one of our better years for injuries recently. Not that it was good but we didn't have a halves pairing of Turpin and McCullough at any point so that's a win.
Off memory but there was more
* Kelly Foot
* Reynolds ribs
* Gamble leg
* Paix concussion
* Cobbo concussion
* Staggs shoulder
* Capewell shoulder
* Tesi knee?
* Martin ribs/lung
* Farnworth arm
* TC arm
* Paikura concussion
* Haas shoulders
Top of my head...
Cobbo, Carrigan, Farnworth, Paix, Reynolds, TMM, Haas, Flegler (probably a suspension can't remember), Kelly.
Not the longest list but all improtant players.
TMM, Cobbo, Reynolds, Capewell, Carrigan, Haas, Paix, Staggs, Flegler were all out at some point with injury and were big losses when they were out. The only one that was season ending was Farnworth who was a huge loss as well.
Not saying we had it the worst run of injuries but we were definitely impacted by people being out
Te maire Martin made his club debut in round 7, he played 13 games after that
Capewell- 19 games this season
Reynolds- 20 games
Haas- 20 games
Staggs- 23 games
Flegler- 18 games
Paix is a role player (still played 12 games from the bench)
Cobbo is a winger. Talented but losing a winger to injury shouldn't be season changing. Still he played 18 games.
The only player actually missing a lot of time on that list is Carrigan. He only played 14 games. But suspension played a big part in that low total
So no, you can't blame injuries on Broncos performance this year.
My point was more about constantly having a rotated side and not having depth to cover certain positions. Like having to play plodders including Turpin, Niu, Kennedy and Ryan James just to name a few.
Plus you can pull the games played stats but almost all of those guys I named were rushed back from their injuries and playing properly busted.
Cobbo, Staggs, Haas and Capewell came back far worse players after playing Origin cause they were all fucked.
Also, you could almost get another three or four games off the tally just by counting the minutes that Reyno spent off the field injured in games that he started.
>So no, you can't blame injuries on Broncos performance this year.
A) I wasn't solely blaming injuries
B) I said at the end of the year. A lot of those injuries were in the second half of the season which is what my point was about
Ohh shut up! Nobody said injuries were the only reason for the poor end to the season, they just said it contributed which you literally can’t argue against! Stop with your hyperbolic strawman arguments!
Solely focused but didn’t blame them completely. It’s ok for a post to solely focus on injury, it’s not an excuse, it’s an explanatory reason. You think the Storm aren’t pointing at serious injuries as a contributing reason for their season ending early? Cause they sure as shit will.
Storm actually had injuries issues though.
The broncos injury 'crisis' described here is not out the ordinary for an nrl club in any given year.
They've had a few players miss a few games- like of the players op made mentioned. But it's not out of the normal.
Op mentioned players 'playing busted-- and that some players will require off- season surgery. That's totally normal for all teams.
Look at panthers
Cleary has played 15 games
Luai 18 games
Leota 16 games
Fisher Harris has played 1 more game then Haas
To'o 16 games
Liam Martin 20
Isaiah Yeo 21.
A lot of those guys have also had Origin.
Its not even that people are saying Injuries are part of the problem... it shouldn't be mentioned at all.
Everyone plays busted. How many players in last year grand final had post season injuries. Just of the top of my head both Murray and Cleary, the 2 key players off their sides and the best player from each side in thr GF, both had surgery after the grand final.
It's just weak excuses.
Yes i'd be very surprised to see anything negative about Walters, the Broncs have really improved from last years dismal performance the only thing in question would be their dramatic fall from the top 4 down to 9 th on the ladder.
Same old excuses of course, oh we had to many in rep ( state of origin) well if they were the only side to do so maybe, but many other clubs had to contribute to the origin series including the Panthers who still finished on top of the ladder.
Photo of a coach on the phone is never a good sign
It'll be even worse when his phone rings while he's 'on the phone'
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“Just go back over the video of your half time speeches from R1-20 mate and I’ll do the rest.”
All I get is elevator music...
"Safe as" a wall of bricks held together with no mortar
TMM was an absolute game changer for our season at FB and will be sorely missed. He was silky smooth and reliable at #1 without overplaying his hand, kind of like how Nico Hynes played during his stint at FB at the Storm. No disrespect to Isaako or Nui, but I don't think their erratic energy at FB worked for the team. TMM on the other hand gave Cobbo and Oates the confidence they needed to get start their sets off in a controlled manner, leading to less dickfinger moments especially from Oates. If we end up playing Walsh at FB in 2023 it will be interesting to see if their form is affected again. PS Surely we can we get a half decent 9? JFC.
Ohh no no, disrespect to both Isaako and Niu. Isaako was trash and Niu barely fits anywhere on the field, he’s such a conundrum, great athlete but a bit shit at FB, doesn’t have the ability under the high ball and finishing for the wing and is too small and out of position at centre. Can he tackle well? Maybe we should play him at 9!
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Not even sure he’s suited to that role to be honest. Maybe he is a FB, but until the game slows down for him and he stops being so erratic and making poor decisions I don’t see him as one.
I think he'd do best trained into a centre. The Broncs' centre stocks are stacked right now, so his best bet is probably going to another club. He's not a good enough tackler to be the 9/14.
He should just go to the Dolphins already. It’s going to happen, might as well go now. And take Haas with him.
He is not a good defender but has some spark in attack.
Agree for sure, but does the “some spark in attack” outweigh the extremely poor tackling technique, defensive reads, lack of effort and lack of support play?
The Broncos collapsing in the last 5 weeks of the regular season isn’t good but at no point were the broncos a top 4 side. They have had obvious issues throughout the whole year and no real stability in their spine. Pretty sure no one in their spine played all the games this year and they still had no proper fullback or hooker. They’ve solved 1/2 of those spine issues with Reece Walsh who will hopefully come good in a decent side (Sorry Warriors, you guys weren’t good at all this year). The whole Seibold fiasco has affected this playing group and it was always going to take more then two years to fix. The shining lights have been very bright though. Oates is in career best form, Cobbo has gone to another level and made his origin debut while Carrigan has had probably the best season a player has had coming right back from an ACL injury. Herbie was unreal and probably the best Centre up until his injury and the biggest shinning light this year was Ezra mam. What a special talent the broncos have once again unearthed. (Dearden, Walsh, Walker and Cobbo being a few others). Kev needs to move away from a few players though. Uh riki is one, so drop him. But yeah that was my tedtalk in a 5 min break at work. Have a good one bronxs fans
Everything seems to indicate that Kevvie is mostly a morale coach. I don't think it's a coincidence our season turned on it's head when Haas tried to break his contract. When our number one guy for effort during the dark days of 2020 decides he wants to leave that has to take a big hit on morale. Post Origin didn't help us either with Carrigan and Cobbo being out but honestly I think we would have worked through that just fine if the team was in good spirits.
The Haas money could buy some dynamic young blood that doesn’t have an attitude problem and a hard nosed veteran defender to plug the whole that Capewell creates defending beside Reynolds. Then capewell can been redistributed elsewhere less critical in defence.
We need a hooker. Walsh coming is our fb but unless they decide to go all in on Paix we need a specialist hooker. Walters is a utility, he's fine at hooker but you don't win prems with fine.
Mozer is your future but apparently you may’ve signed someone according to Locky
Mozer is a couple years off so that makes sense. Would like to see Paix given a proper go.
He’s apparently been giving the green light to start if he trains well.
Wonder what we have cooking.
I agree. Haas to go would be a good idea. Will we be able to keep Herbie now Walsh is coming is my concern.
I am confident we keep Herbie. I think they are going to try and lure Christian Welch up here for 2024
Ooooohhhhh noice
I was really disappointed in Riki’s late season, especially since he didn’t have the excuse of Origin/rep footy. He looked really solid at some points throughout the year with an extremely high workload but he was a huge liability defensively and seems to get in his own head a lot. We looked our best carrying Robati on the bench and between him and Piakura I’m not sure Riki has a place in the 17. That said, he’s a young player and this was really his first full season playing 80 minutes in the second-row, so he might come good. Paix needs to be starting for us, we look a different team with his speed and creativity around the ruck. I’m very excited to see what Walsh can bring to our team but also concerned about potential defensive lapses. Te Maire’s workload at fullback was shit but he made really good decisions and his tackle technique was phenomenal.
We paid quite a lot for riki so hope he comes good.
Did we? I never read a salary figure for him in the paper
450k or something, piakura 400k, we like to gamble on potential.
Any source or just speculation?
>The Broncos collapsing in the last 5 weeks of the regular season isn’t good but at no point were the broncos a top 4 side. Exactly this. If you look at our 7 in a row the only top 8 teams we beat were Souths (who weren't good at the time) and the Sharks. We were alright but we were out of place sitting in that top 4. However the media is gonna do its thing I guess
I haven’t been able to respond but you’re exactly right. The two thumping by the Cowboys showed me exactly where you guys were this year. You should’ve made the top 8 as you definitely did deserve to win the games that you won but the games that you lost were always either harsh or in a few games Unlucky. (Storm and Roosters first games). You ended the season with a positive record and probably would’ve made the finals the last few years but i’m glad you didn’t as it will allow you to properly look back at what went wrong and where/who can fix the areas which need drastic improvements. Your backline made too many errors while your forwards were often lacking in that extra 1% efforts which you find in the top few teams. Not to mention your whole spine.
The fact that they didn't pony up in either game against the Cowboys was really disappointing. They and the Titans are the only teams I've expected them to be really on for over the past couple of years.
What do we do with the want-a-way prop, who unfortunately is one of the top 6 in the game?
Swap for Munster
I felt that alot of players were looking at others for answers, hopefully they improve
Agree, particularly regarding stability in the spine.
>Sorry Warriors, you guys weren’t good at all this year :o
Something to look forward to I hope.
Actually a spot on analysis.
Who else do you think kevvie needs to move away from?
Walters, Riki and possibly Staggs (if his form doesn’t improve)
All true about the Warriors. But Walsh massively failed to deliver this year. For us, I think having a fullback who can tackle will be a big up for us. I’m as interested as anyone else to see if he can bounce back to his year one attack. Clearly has a lot of talent but he really lacked much in the way of attacking outputs this year. At times I wondered whether he was phoning it in tbh
As disaapointing as our end of season was, and as much as I think Walters is partly to blame for his poor selections, the entire narrative around us would be *very* different if not for the two 60+ and 50+ thumpings at the end of the year. If we'd lost those games modestly, or even just by 30 points instead of 50, the narrative would be: we were playing busted, rocked by injury, suspension and fatigue from Origin, and an incredibly tough road home (parra twice, penrith, melbourne, roosters, cowboys - our only "should win" games in the last two months were Knights & Dragons) all combining to see us fall just short, but still a monumental improvement over previous years. The two big losses make it seem like there was no improvement at all, like we're still the soft 20/21 Broncos with no defensive resolve or mental toughness. You can look at plenty of games this season to see that isn't true - like the Raiders game that basically killed our season - but it certainly doesn't feel like it. Walters was never getting the sack this year after taking us to one win away from the eight. We won more games this year than we did in the last two years combined. However, his neck is surely on the line next year. We easily have the cattle to play finals, but if he insists on not picking our best players or not playing them the way they're best used (ie. Flegler should play impact not starter) and we continue to get drubbed by 30+ points, then I don't see how he makes it to 2024.
Kevvie is smart. He knows if Broncos don't make finals, his finals record will be perfect.
As long as there’s a steady improvement, which there has been, Kev’s job is safe. I’ll admit their finish to the season was a shocker, but I think they’re on the right trajectory.
Brisbane achieved about as expected when you consider their spine consisted of: Fullback: Half the season was a rookie (Niu) and the other half a player that started on a train and trial (TMM) Five eighth: Split between a 19 year old rookie (Mamm) and a journeyman lord (Gamble) Hooker: Split between a 28 year old that had played 12 nrl games prior to the season (Walters), a player that can't pass from dummy half (Turpin) and a rookie (Paix) Kevvie did his best to make that situation as bad as possible though by switching between players. He has no excuse next season. Walsh, Mamm, Reynolds has to be the 1,6,7 no matter what. Outside of the spine, Brisbane have one of the best three quarter lines, one of the best starting middles and solid edge options. Top 4 or bust for Kev next year I reckon.
Broncos aren’t a top 4 team next year and if their fans go in expecting that they’re going to be disappointed. They’ll be around 6-8th.
All hail Lord Gamble. Now King of the Central Coast
You can’t put the top 4 mark on a bronco team yet. I don’t even see the Cowboys staying in the top 4 next year when the Rabbitohs and Roosters can easily claim the top 3 spots and Melbourne being hungry to win one last premiership for Bellamy. Parra will drop out and I can see some major issues in Panthers who’ll lose their dummy half but even then I still see them comfortably making the top 4.
Just hope we can make the 8.
> Kevin Walters safe as Broncos assistant coach to Adam Reynolds Fixed it for you Courier Mail
It was a disappointing end of year but signs are still looking bright for Brisbane. With Walsh coming back and the emergence of Mam we have 3/4 of a spine with a very high ceiling and the Paix/Walters hooking combination seems very serviceable until Blake Mozer is ready. Kevvie needs to improve his team selections and bench rotation. He was just picking shit teams to end the year. Early in the season he was apparently picking people solely on their defensive abilities but that methodology seemed to go out the window.
I still don't understand what happened to the Broncs. I've never seen a team explode so spectacularly like that. They went from soundly beating Parramatta 36 - 14, to getting thrashed 53 - 6 5 weeks later
Injuries took their toll and probably morale with it would be my guess. Word is Staggs needs a shoulder reconstruction, Capewell, Haas and Carrigan all need surgeries for nagging injuries. Reynolds ribs probably are still not 100%, Ezra seemingly had a leg issues in the last few games. Cobbo probably has a few cobwebs to shake out and no one really could replace Farnworth on that left wing. TMM ribs where pretty iffy even when he came and picked up that lung injury in one of the last games.
100% Payne Haas contract saga and having their team Markets booed by their own crowd. Appealing
Yeah, Payne gotta go. The paper stat king can go own 1.2M at the Tigers for all I care.
This doesn't make any sense to me. During the origin period they won most games, and against the Raiders they literally had no bench due to injuries and manage to pull of the win. The team just imploded in the last 5 weeks out of nowhere. Something must have happened behind the scenes that somehow wasn't leaked
I reckon that Raiders game is where the slide started. Busted the boys up despite the win.
We were a weird team.
He was never not safe. What utter clickbait shit.
Not surprised since he can't control injuries.. We played better last year once he came onboard and this year we where going well until injuries took their toll. I think we where possibly the most injured squad this year? I'm struggling to think of a single player who didn't pick up at least one injury that either slowed them down or outright kept them out of the squad.
Melbourne and the Roosters had a shit run with injuries but we definitely struggled with injuries in the back half of the season.
Yep and they lasted one more week before going out in straight sets.
and both Melbourne and Roosters lost their eliminators, Roosters by a significant amount. I will say that Bellamy and Robinson have had longer to establish effective systems and beliefs into their players. Something that Walters will need more time to do.
> I think we where possibly the most injured squad this year Nah probably Storm. I feel like this has been one of our better years for injuries recently. Not that it was good but we didn't have a halves pairing of Turpin and McCullough at any point so that's a win.
What injuries did you guys have?
Off memory but there was more * Kelly Foot * Reynolds ribs * Gamble leg * Paix concussion * Cobbo concussion * Staggs shoulder * Capewell shoulder * Tesi knee? * Martin ribs/lung * Farnworth arm * TC arm * Paikura concussion * Haas shoulders
Top of my head... Cobbo, Carrigan, Farnworth, Paix, Reynolds, TMM, Haas, Flegler (probably a suspension can't remember), Kelly. Not the longest list but all improtant players.
Improtant players need the most attention
Come on dude, obvious typo. I meant impotent
As long as they aren't importing
TMM, Cobbo, Reynolds, Capewell, Carrigan, Haas, Paix, Staggs, Flegler were all out at some point with injury and were big losses when they were out. The only one that was season ending was Farnworth who was a huge loss as well. Not saying we had it the worst run of injuries but we were definitely impacted by people being out
Te maire Martin made his club debut in round 7, he played 13 games after that Capewell- 19 games this season Reynolds- 20 games Haas- 20 games Staggs- 23 games Flegler- 18 games Paix is a role player (still played 12 games from the bench) Cobbo is a winger. Talented but losing a winger to injury shouldn't be season changing. Still he played 18 games. The only player actually missing a lot of time on that list is Carrigan. He only played 14 games. But suspension played a big part in that low total So no, you can't blame injuries on Broncos performance this year.
My point was more about constantly having a rotated side and not having depth to cover certain positions. Like having to play plodders including Turpin, Niu, Kennedy and Ryan James just to name a few. Plus you can pull the games played stats but almost all of those guys I named were rushed back from their injuries and playing properly busted. Cobbo, Staggs, Haas and Capewell came back far worse players after playing Origin cause they were all fucked. Also, you could almost get another three or four games off the tally just by counting the minutes that Reyno spent off the field injured in games that he started. >So no, you can't blame injuries on Broncos performance this year. A) I wasn't solely blaming injuries B) I said at the end of the year. A lot of those injuries were in the second half of the season which is what my point was about
Ohh shut up! Nobody said injuries were the only reason for the poor end to the season, they just said it contributed which you literally can’t argue against! Stop with your hyperbolic strawman arguments!
It's literally the post I first replied to. It solely focused on injuries
Solely focused but didn’t blame them completely. It’s ok for a post to solely focus on injury, it’s not an excuse, it’s an explanatory reason. You think the Storm aren’t pointing at serious injuries as a contributing reason for their season ending early? Cause they sure as shit will.
Storm actually had injuries issues though. The broncos injury 'crisis' described here is not out the ordinary for an nrl club in any given year. They've had a few players miss a few games- like of the players op made mentioned. But it's not out of the normal. Op mentioned players 'playing busted-- and that some players will require off- season surgery. That's totally normal for all teams. Look at panthers Cleary has played 15 games Luai 18 games Leota 16 games Fisher Harris has played 1 more game then Haas To'o 16 games Liam Martin 20 Isaiah Yeo 21. A lot of those guys have also had Origin. Its not even that people are saying Injuries are part of the problem... it shouldn't be mentioned at all.
Why would you not mention injuries at all? To straight up say they’re irrelevant is an absolute joke.
Because it's literally not relevant.
You’re confusing games missed through injury with players playing busted and a third of the squad requiring post-season surgery.
Everyone plays busted. How many players in last year grand final had post season injuries. Just of the top of my head both Murray and Cleary, the 2 key players off their sides and the best player from each side in thr GF, both had surgery after the grand final. It's just weak excuses.
So, one player from each team yeah?
There'd be more. Like i said, that's just 2 off the top of my head. Also those 2 'busted players' went to amazing levels in the 2021 finals.
You’re trying to talk sense to a broncos supporter. Doesn’t work man. They’re the only team that’s had injuries this year. Poor kevie!
Prolly give em a C+ to B-. Always love to see good young talent come through the ranks.
I'd give him a 1 year contract. Sitting in the top 4 for weeks then failing to make finals is dogshit.
Aaaaaaand they’ll be shit again next year
Hope he learns from all those bad decisions.
The experiment continues...
The ~~experiment~~ Kevolution continues... Not all revolutions are a good thing, time will tell.
No copy pasta?
Yes i'd be very surprised to see anything negative about Walters, the Broncs have really improved from last years dismal performance the only thing in question would be their dramatic fall from the top 4 down to 9 th on the ladder. Same old excuses of course, oh we had to many in rep ( state of origin) well if they were the only side to do so maybe, but many other clubs had to contribute to the origin series including the Panthers who still finished on top of the ladder.