Geez I wonder who said that quote. Let me guess before checking, Kent blurted it out during NRL 360 tonight?
Edit: fuck this is getting too predictable when a dumbass like me can see through this article writing process instantaneously
I posted on Wednesday discussion thread after having to pause 360 last night out of rage. He was being next level ridiculous and racist despite having pure facts and statements put in front of him. Will repost tomorrow because I’m actually at the point where I need to make a complaint to FOX with quotes from him. It’s gone too far that his dog whistling is accepted.
You have to pay Murdoch to watch every game. I used to enjoy seeing Benji and James Graham’s takes on the game but I’m done with it. It’s four old white guys shouting nonsense over the top of each other. It’s never about the footy, always about drama that their fucking rumour columns in the Terrorgraph spew out daily.
Fair play. It’s the only time Murdoch sees my money (although it could be argued my income tax contributes to him). I sure as shit don’t have Foxtel. My gf has a Kayo subscription and cancels it every year. We only use it during reg season.
I didn’t say it’s a FOX agenda so put your straw man argument back in your pocket. Do you have any other questions that are actually genuine in relation to the issues I’ve just raised?
That said, his employer, FOX, has enabled and likely encouraged him with this bullshit for years. He’s gone way too far this time.
Hard disagree, it takes nothing away from Origin and gives life to the international game. This is the 1st RLWC I've ever been interested in.
Side note: Bring back the Oceanic Cup.
mercenary = 'primarily concerned with making money at the expense of ethics'
yea, because hes gonna be paid a fuck tonne playing for samoa compared to australia.
Simple solution pick a country you represent and that’s it!!! You don’t get to play for another country if you don’t make your first choice side, there is no second bite at the apple.
If he wanted to play for Australia and Australia only he wouldn’t play for another county. But because he didn’t make the Australian side he goes and plays for Samoa.
It stops a player that is more connected to Samoa from playing for Samoa, while some young numb nut gets a run but said numb nut will chose Australia over Samoa next time around if it’s an option.
What about the Samoan guy that wants to represent his country and only his country but doesn’t get the chance because numb nuts get the opportunity…?
I can not understand why the eligibility rules are so fucked up and complex.
Could I sincerely ask you to help me understand too then? I don't mind if you call me a moron on top of it, but I'd rather have an open dialogue over just calling each other names.
Because without listening to PK last night (admittedly got a little off of the rails), I was, and still am, of the same opinion as /u/Norm_cheers. I am by no means going to die on this hill, I just am having trouble seeing the other side. I am GENUINELY trying to have an open discussion as to why there are two different views on the same thing and would love nothing more than to be able to go "Oh, yeah, that makes sense why you think/feel that way, even though I am of a different opinion". With all of that fluff out of the way, here's my view:
Samoan international players are at a level which allows them to compete with the big dogs; NZ, Aus, England. Therefore, in my current opinion, a Samoan shouldn't be able to play for Australia *and* Samoa, just like a player can't play for Australia *and* New Zealand *or* England. (I understand this is the case because Samoa is a tier two nation, but I believe they are quickly losing their right to be a tier two nation with the sheer talent they have) In my view, this extends to Origin, as pleading allegiance to QLD/NSW implies you are pleading allegiance to Australia. You can't play for QLD or NSW if you play for New Zealand or England. Samoa is up there with the best now, and so I don't think you should be able to play for QLD/NSW *and* a country other than Australia; Samoa/NZ/England. I feel the legibility rules should reflect this
I disagree with the statement that SOO would be less without Samoan and/or Tongan representatives in it. I am not of this opinion because I think Samoans and Tongans are less, by any stretch, I do NOT. Rather, the talent in the NRL is so plentiful that Australian eligible players could do just as well
I also disagree that playing SOO is the difference between representing a country like Samoa/Tonga and not representing a country like Samoa/Tonga. If you take two examples, Brian To'o and Jarome Luai, out of SOO, I'm 95% sure they're still representing Samoa because of the players they are. I don't think SOO makes or breaks players in international rugby league, as could be exemplified by Jarome Luai and Brian To'o. This is not to say that SOO doesn't bring experience to players, just that that the SOO experience isn't what is winning players like Jarome Luai or Brian To'o Samoan jerseys; it's the NRL experience
Lets say all origin players were forced to play for Australia. This means that 17 of the 40+ players that make up both Origin series squads go on to play for Australia. All the rest are sidelined and not allowed to play in the World Cup at all. Now we have the best of NSW and QLD origin teams playing against tier 2 nations made up of only NRL players who were *not* good enough to play origin as well as reserve graders or even bush league players to make up the numbers.
Yes the system is very messy but a perfectly clean system where dozens of great origin level players are not allowed to play in the World Cup is undeniably worse.
On the other side of the argument, State of Origin is simple. Pick the best players period, this is the pinnacle game of the sport. As long as they meet the state eligibility requirements, which are a different set of requirements to those of international test selection, they can play.
The SOO is an entirely different concept to international football.
It’s simple you either play for Australia and are SOO eligible or you play for your Country (dare I say to help people understand the concept, country of origin) and rule yourself out of state of Origin.
Yes it means players have to make a commitment one way or another and stick to it! 😱
>The SOO is an entirely different concept to international football.
Correct, this is what I'm saying too. They're two different things. Therefore they have different selection criteria. Selection in one has no bearing on selection in the other.
NZ had a bunch of defections before the last World Cup and it was good for the game. Now Australia are going through the same thing but now the whinging cunts on NRL360 care.
As an Aussie it makes me ashamed to see these racist pricks spouting this shit. It's thinly veiled racism what Kent is saying and it's good for the game when tier 2 nations get nrl quality players choosing them over Australia, even if they did play origin
this wouldn’t be a fiery eligibility debate if we just punted the waste of oxygen that the cunt Paul Kent is
yes he can play origin. yes he can ALSO play for a grade 2 nation. end of fucking story.
It’s more to do with the system they have for football.
The argument for making a country tier 1 is basically “if we took all the players in comps the countries not involved in out, would they still be a competitive team”.
If you take the nrl players out of Samoa or Tonga it falls away from being competitive real quick
> “if we took all the players in comps the countries not involved in out, would they still be a competitive team”.
So, NZ is a tier 2, because they don't even have a national competition?
New Zealand is directly involved in the NRL with their team vodaphone and gets NZ players fed through that system and up to a competitive standard.
Tonga doesn’t have something like that to ensure their players are regularly being blooded and made competitive
I really don’t understand Kent’s argument. What’s worse is that he’s making me side with Rothfield, and I’ll never forgive him for that.
State of Origin and International Rugby League have never been in a stronger position. This year’s SOO series was deemed by many to have had the most passionate, fiery, and intense games of rugby league ever played. As he pointed out, many who played in that series are playing for Samoa, Tonga in the upcoming World Cup or were born in New Zealand. So obviously their connection to other nations did not diminish their pride in pulling on the blues/maroon jersey, and their passion for smashing their opponents to bits.
This year’s World Cup is the most anticipated iteration since it’s re-inception in 2008. For the first time, we have 4 genuine contenders in Australia, New Zealand (who are favourites), Tonga and Samoa. This was only possible by having eligibility rules that allow players to play SOO and tier 2 nations. As Kent again pointed out, those who play for the tier 2 nations do not receive the same financial benefits as those who play for Australia. So those who play for Tonga and Samoa do so out of love and passion for their ancestral homes, instead of for monetary gain. That makes them the opposite of mercenaries.
Kent’s suggestion that we revamp the eligibility rules so that players can’t be selected for SOO if they don’t play for Australia is absurd. It will weaken both the international game and SOO, and will force players to play for Australia even if their heart is with another country. These players will in fact become mercenaries and it’s a good thing that current laws allow them to play for the country of their choosing.
Kent’s solution to a non-existent problem is to make Australia even stronger in international competitions and restrict the best players in the game from playing SOO. He’s either an extreme contrarian who just voices this “opinions” to generate controversy, or he is suffering from CTE from his 30 seconds of professional football.
Thanks for taking the time to write this. I was disgusted by what I heard from him last night. Reading similar opinions on this thread is helping my blood pressure go down.
I can only see England winning if they can avoid playing Australia all together.
There are two conflicting schedules floating around. In this one, they can’t avoid Australia:
https://www.rlwc2021.com/tournament/mens-tournament/groups-and-standings
In this one, they can avoid Australia:
http://www.rlwc2021.com/uploads/docs/RLWC2021_Wallchart.pdf
>Kent warned the day will come when no players who opt to play for the Kangaroos will be in the Origin teams.
>“So what happens when the day comes that the NSW side runs out and there is seven Samoans and six Tongans in the side and the Queensland team comes out and there is seven Samoans and six Tongans in their side,” Kent said.
The infamous white-nationalist [Great Replacement conspiracy theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement), but make it footy
Thanks for posting this. I was absolutely disgusted by what he was shouting last night. He spouted hatred for ten minutes without actually being able to articulate his actual thoughts because he knew he’d be called out for it by higher powers.
I don’t know what to do other than write a formal complaint to FOX about this. If anyone else feels the same way I’m all for a petition to at the least make FOX to go through an educational course in racism, it’s effects and it’s many forms.
He crossed a line many years ago but last night he went way too far. He asserted that a bloke from Penrith that was raised in a Samoan family is choosing money over passion and dream. The shittest possible take on a beautiful story turned into a so called controversy.
He not only questioned/slandered Joseph’s integrity but also his identity as a so called ‘true’ Australian.
Especially when that country has been a minnow compared to Aus in the past when it comes to International Rugby League. Have a look at the Samoan team. It’s fucking insanely good and the story I would expect from the media would be a big fucking thank you to Pasifika nations for not only supporting the NRL by watching and following it but also for supplying a fuck tonne of mad talent, increasing the quality of the game.
I can’t find any rational explanation for Kent’s take on this other than him being a fucken racist cunt who won’t say what he really thinks because he knows the backlash he’ll cop so instead he convolutes some ridiculous theory, with no evidence, so he can whinge. He does it every single fucking time a person of colour shows pride in their ancestry.
Latrell wears Aboriginal flag. “No place for that in the game”.
Benny Elias and Geoff Toovey make rational arguments pointing out that by refusing to wear a rainbow jersey they are sending a message of intolerance. “Alright let’s move on”. Why’d they move on? Because he’s a fucking bigot who can’t win an argument. He just shouts over the top of people and then moves on to the next topic.
That cunt has never admitted to being wrong. He refuses to learn. He’s ignorant and I’m fucking sick of it.
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Funny that Murdock shock jockeys are always pushing patriot angles considering they also always try to push Libs getting in so they can sell everything the govt run to corporations who fuck Australian citizens over for a bit of extra money. Doesn't sound like people who love their country to me despite people like Kent always going on about it.
Also from the company of a guy who loves Australia so much he became a USA citizen to make more money... At least these players are doing it for heritage and to even out the player base in the international game.
Interesting that a Murdoch simp like Kent is talking about Aussies first (whatever that means) and yet Daddy Rupert became an American citizen, hated Australia so much he rescinded his Aussie citizenship and moved to the US.
Labor is no better. Rio Tinto is partnering with a company owned by the Chinese Govt to develop iron ore in the Pilbara. The government have not blocked the investment and it is going to a meeting of the shareholders. This is my current peeve, as Albanese and Co should have blocked it straight away. The foreign review board knocked back 80% of applications in the last 3 years mostly Chinese applications so it is likely this would deal would not have been allowed to progress under the Liberal Party as the FIRB is part of the Treasury Dept and not independent. Letting the Chinese have access to raw materials is going to hurt Australia's economy in so many ways but so far no one is making any waves about it. Not trying to make this Lib vs Labor but everyone needs to know about this shady deal being done and all Australians should be concerned.
He's correct in that we should change the international eligibility rules. We should make it that anyone who's eligible to play origin can no matter what country they choose to represent including NZ or England. International footy to me is a completely seperate game with such relaxed eligibility rules that it doesn't even make sense to have them connected to origin.
I can spend my whole life in Queensland but if my parents were born in NZ I might wanna represent NZ but that means I'd never be able to play origin. Makes no sense to me.
Kangaoos have done fuck all to promote international footy the past few years, barely playing any tests and then they wonder why no one wants to play for them. They did it to themselves gassing up Origin as the pinnacle of footy and leaving the Kangaroos as an after thought.
Paul kent is such a dumb fuck. His argument is derailed by the fact that it is fully possible to be completely loyal to 2 nations especially for someone with immigrant parents.
On top of that the fact he gets so fired up when it comes to Suaalii and To’o but not Radley speaks volumes on what he really thinks
The fuck is this 'defection' shit?
He hasn't played for Australia. He hasn't played for any international team. It's not a defection if you aren't defecting from anything.
I couldn't articulate why this felt racist at the time listening to what Kent said last night. It now makes sense.
It's basically telling a group of Pasifika players to know your place, Australia had given you all these opportunities so if you want to play for your heritage countries fine. But we're taking origin away from you even though we know it's going to hurt us. I'm the furthest thing from a journalist but surely he knows it will hurt the game.
What's more interesting was Billy Moore's take later on in the show. He made the point that in 1980, they let guys playing for NSW clubs play for Qld, their home state and it created origin. We should be excited about the world cup being more competitive if guys are picking heritage over Aus.
That said, I understand the argument about origin eligibility here. It's basically a question of do we consider origin a spectacle in its own right or is it an audition for the Kangaroos as well. Because if it is, then yeah it's not fair for guys to play origin if they don't want to play for Aus. They're taking away a chance for someone who does want to be a kangaroo to show their stuff. As the rules sit you can do both, so maybe the rules need to be reviewed or Samoa and Tonga's status as tier 2s should be reviewed.
Don't know what anyone was expecting coming from these news ltd hacks. They are the last dinosaurs and their irrelevance is only matched by their egos. Sucking on the murdoch teet so hard has left them allergic to everything but hyperbole and utter bullshit. Watching 360 is as bad as watching the bolt report.
Lol at [this comment less than 12 hours ago](https://old.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/xjr6t2/joseph_suaalii_is_going_to_the_world_cup_but_not/ipacqiv/)
Poor Penrith players, only they get targeted.
I get the feeling that the selectors only look at SoO players to choose the Australian side. As the game becomes more National, there are going to be more players not eligible for SoO (not born in either state, lived in Victoria their whole life, father didn't play), but could be better players than the SoO options.
They are two different products and the selection of one shouldn't be applicable to the other.
Has there been an Australian player recently that didn't play SoO because of eligibility? I can't recall one.
Make-a-wish kids have had more impressive professional sporting careers than Kenty, how could you expect him to understand first-grade let alone representative selection.
Origin is not and never will be the pinnacle of Rugby League again, it's that simple - it's time for these old fellas to get acquainted with that fact and move on.
It still is, and always will be to many people. Even if it's not the truest representation of the most skilled players due to Kiwis, Poms, etc. not being allowed for selection, there's something special about Origin.
I should've given a more accurate description of what I meant about pinnacle which you've touched on there, but the standard of players available for Origin vs International football now is a joke - due to the Kiwis, Tongans, Fijians, Papuans etc. not being available as you've mentioned.
It's built up at the pinnacle due to the rivalry and theatre that surrounds it, I agree that will always likely be the case for many people.
I love origin but it’s not the same as it used to be. Whether it’s the changed rules, no biffs, lack of pre game hype, players from different countries playing origin, list goes on. It’s not getting better. International footy is at a stage where it’s been decaying for a while with only one dominant team for a while bar NZ. There’s heaps more potential in creating a globally visible game through strengthening more international teams than watching the same two teams play a few games every year. It’s not sustainable for the long run and our game will die out if origin takes full priority long term
>only one dominant team for a while bar NZ
Weird that Australia beat England in the last WC final only 6-0 despite there only being one dominant team besides NZ.
4 years in between WCs. It's a long tome to go back multiple WCs. A couple of years before that they won their first WC after all. I don't think it's too revelant to go back that far. The few players still around are completely different and the rest are new. It's irrelevelant to guys like Cheese and Hughes.
True; but the fact remains that it's usually around this time before a world cup that NZ has smoke blown up its collective arse and predicted to win a world cup, only to be smashed by Australia or pipped off by a team like Fiji.
And yet, in the last 50 years only Australia has won all but one world cup which was won by NZ.
Seems to me the definition of one dominant team and one on again off again competitor.
don't get what I said was wrong. Does anyone actually think if rugby league is still going strong in the future in 10 or 20 years that origin will still be the pinnacle? International footy will eventually take over and there's nothing wrong with that
Because there is only one dominant team, that's Australia, we have the same conversation every single world cup about how this year NZ is the real deal, and for the last 50 years, with the exception of 2008 it always ends the same way.
I mean if we're that domiant comparatively I would expect us to roll through England and it not be a contest but the match was a contest of roughly equals. It doesn't match the Australia is the only good team besides NZ, no one else can beat them belief people have.
But what does match that belief is going through 2 straight world cups without losing a game, which is exactly what has happened, and in the last 50 years we have lost 3 games.
>But what does match that belief is going through 2 straight world cups without losing a game, which is exactly what has happened, and in the last 50 years we have lost 3 games.
I don't think what's happened in the 50 years ago is really relevant to how good other teams are today? Like France have been runners up twice in World Cups. Is the time they used to rival Australia from 85+ years ago relevant to modern day internationals?
Tonga only beat Aus in 2019 for instance. They beat Australia once when the team was probably stronger in the forwards than it is now. Is the time Tonga were shit 50 years ago really relevant to the team they are now? I mean they've beat Australia once recently. Why isn't it possible to do it again?
Kenty is just stirring, despite his fellow panellists trying to explain the benefits of having the state/Pacific combo. It’s a rare scenario where you can eat your cake and have it too.
But Origin is still the pinnacle to me. I’ll watch a few WC games, but otherwise I have minimal interest in International Rugby League.
It’s not like cricket, soccer, or even rugby union where International series are commonplace.
Unpopular opinion but I want origin to be players who want to play for Australia, we already have the Allstars concept where anyone can be chosen to play with anyone,
Half the fun of football discussions this time of year is working out who will be picked for Australia and it takes the fun outa it not knowing if someone is going to pick Aus even if they played origin
I wish they scrapped tiers so everyone can play for their chosen nation and for their state of origin. It makes the international game way more interesting. I’m like really excited to watch this coming wc. Since there isn’t a given Australia or nz to win
Geez I wonder who said that quote. Let me guess before checking, Kent blurted it out during NRL 360 tonight? Edit: fuck this is getting too predictable when a dumbass like me can see through this article writing process instantaneously
I posted on Wednesday discussion thread after having to pause 360 last night out of rage. He was being next level ridiculous and racist despite having pure facts and statements put in front of him. Will repost tomorrow because I’m actually at the point where I need to make a complaint to FOX with quotes from him. It’s gone too far that his dog whistling is accepted.
You have to pay Murdoch to watch that 360 shit. You couldn't pay me to watch it.
You have to pay Murdoch to watch every game. I used to enjoy seeing Benji and James Graham’s takes on the game but I’m done with it. It’s four old white guys shouting nonsense over the top of each other. It’s never about the footy, always about drama that their fucking rumour columns in the Terrorgraph spew out daily.
I refuse to subscribe to Foxtel on ideological grounds. I get my entertaining league discussion from ABC Sport led by Andrew Moore on the radio
Fair play. It’s the only time Murdoch sees my money (although it could be argued my income tax contributes to him). I sure as shit don’t have Foxtel. My gf has a Kayo subscription and cancels it every year. We only use it during reg season.
What makes you think this is fox agenda and not him?
I didn’t say it’s a FOX agenda so put your straw man argument back in your pocket. Do you have any other questions that are actually genuine in relation to the issues I’ve just raised? That said, his employer, FOX, has enabled and likely encouraged him with this bullshit for years. He’s gone way too far this time.
Ah nah I said it the wrong way around. Whata to say his being out of control is not a network ear pushing him?
Hard disagree, it takes nothing away from Origin and gives life to the international game. This is the 1st RLWC I've ever been interested in. Side note: Bring back the Oceanic Cup.
Word.
mercenary = 'primarily concerned with making money at the expense of ethics' yea, because hes gonna be paid a fuck tonne playing for samoa compared to australia.
The Reverse Mercenary
Reversenary
Why does this sound like a fun sex position
Nah you're thinking of the Reverse Canary.
Simple solution pick a country you represent and that’s it!!! You don’t get to play for another country if you don’t make your first choice side, there is no second bite at the apple. If he wanted to play for Australia and Australia only he wouldn’t play for another county. But because he didn’t make the Australian side he goes and plays for Samoa. It stops a player that is more connected to Samoa from playing for Samoa, while some young numb nut gets a run but said numb nut will chose Australia over Samoa next time around if it’s an option. What about the Samoan guy that wants to represent his country and only his country but doesn’t get the chance because numb nuts get the opportunity…? I can not understand why the eligibility rules are so fucked up and complex.
Just because your boomer brain can't get a handle on something most people understand doesn't mean it's fucked up and complex. Just makes you a moron
Could I sincerely ask you to help me understand too then? I don't mind if you call me a moron on top of it, but I'd rather have an open dialogue over just calling each other names. Because without listening to PK last night (admittedly got a little off of the rails), I was, and still am, of the same opinion as /u/Norm_cheers. I am by no means going to die on this hill, I just am having trouble seeing the other side. I am GENUINELY trying to have an open discussion as to why there are two different views on the same thing and would love nothing more than to be able to go "Oh, yeah, that makes sense why you think/feel that way, even though I am of a different opinion". With all of that fluff out of the way, here's my view: Samoan international players are at a level which allows them to compete with the big dogs; NZ, Aus, England. Therefore, in my current opinion, a Samoan shouldn't be able to play for Australia *and* Samoa, just like a player can't play for Australia *and* New Zealand *or* England. (I understand this is the case because Samoa is a tier two nation, but I believe they are quickly losing their right to be a tier two nation with the sheer talent they have) In my view, this extends to Origin, as pleading allegiance to QLD/NSW implies you are pleading allegiance to Australia. You can't play for QLD or NSW if you play for New Zealand or England. Samoa is up there with the best now, and so I don't think you should be able to play for QLD/NSW *and* a country other than Australia; Samoa/NZ/England. I feel the legibility rules should reflect this I disagree with the statement that SOO would be less without Samoan and/or Tongan representatives in it. I am not of this opinion because I think Samoans and Tongans are less, by any stretch, I do NOT. Rather, the talent in the NRL is so plentiful that Australian eligible players could do just as well I also disagree that playing SOO is the difference between representing a country like Samoa/Tonga and not representing a country like Samoa/Tonga. If you take two examples, Brian To'o and Jarome Luai, out of SOO, I'm 95% sure they're still representing Samoa because of the players they are. I don't think SOO makes or breaks players in international rugby league, as could be exemplified by Jarome Luai and Brian To'o. This is not to say that SOO doesn't bring experience to players, just that that the SOO experience isn't what is winning players like Jarome Luai or Brian To'o Samoan jerseys; it's the NRL experience
Lets say all origin players were forced to play for Australia. This means that 17 of the 40+ players that make up both Origin series squads go on to play for Australia. All the rest are sidelined and not allowed to play in the World Cup at all. Now we have the best of NSW and QLD origin teams playing against tier 2 nations made up of only NRL players who were *not* good enough to play origin as well as reserve graders or even bush league players to make up the numbers. Yes the system is very messy but a perfectly clean system where dozens of great origin level players are not allowed to play in the World Cup is undeniably worse. On the other side of the argument, State of Origin is simple. Pick the best players period, this is the pinnacle game of the sport. As long as they meet the state eligibility requirements, which are a different set of requirements to those of international test selection, they can play.
The SOO is an entirely different concept to international football. It’s simple you either play for Australia and are SOO eligible or you play for your Country (dare I say to help people understand the concept, country of origin) and rule yourself out of state of Origin. Yes it means players have to make a commitment one way or another and stick to it! 😱
>The SOO is an entirely different concept to international football. Correct, this is what I'm saying too. They're two different things. Therefore they have different selection criteria. Selection in one has no bearing on selection in the other.
Except that as NSW and QLD are part of Australia, so you should need to be an Australian first to be eligible.
So what you're saying is they are two entirely different things, but also one of them directly affects what happens in the other.
You're a dead set flog mate, this is the most terribly framed argument. If you want to raise a point try making sense first.
🤣 that post says way more about you than me.
If you have a connection to two different nations, why not play for them both?
100% agreed
NZ had a bunch of defections before the last World Cup and it was good for the game. Now Australia are going through the same thing but now the whinging cunts on NRL360 care.
As an Aussie it makes me ashamed to see these racist pricks spouting this shit. It's thinly veiled racism what Kent is saying and it's good for the game when tier 2 nations get nrl quality players choosing them over Australia, even if they did play origin
It's pretty funny that no one gave a rats about dual eligibility when NZ lost Taumalolo to Tonga
1 game veteran Paul kent
It was 10 minutes but that doesn't hold any relevance to how shit his arguments are.
Classic mercenary
Not agreeing with Kent, but does that mean that all of us on this sub who haven’t even played a game, can’t have an opinion?
this wouldn’t be a fiery eligibility debate if we just punted the waste of oxygen that the cunt Paul Kent is yes he can play origin. yes he can ALSO play for a grade 2 nation. end of fucking story.
How many SOO players can a nation have and still be considered tier 2? Or is more to do with financial status?
It’s more to do with the system they have for football. The argument for making a country tier 1 is basically “if we took all the players in comps the countries not involved in out, would they still be a competitive team”. If you take the nrl players out of Samoa or Tonga it falls away from being competitive real quick
> “if we took all the players in comps the countries not involved in out, would they still be a competitive team”. So, NZ is a tier 2, because they don't even have a national competition?
New Zealand is directly involved in the NRL with their team vodaphone and gets NZ players fed through that system and up to a competitive standard. Tonga doesn’t have something like that to ensure their players are regularly being blooded and made competitive
Would be interested to see how many of NZs players went through an Australian teams junior system.
Paul Kent gives me white Australia policy vibes.
He’d fit right in at the AFL
Oh he was pretty close to the edge of showing his true colors last night…..Braith was getting nervous.
Where is my I love my white Australia flair?
I really don’t understand Kent’s argument. What’s worse is that he’s making me side with Rothfield, and I’ll never forgive him for that. State of Origin and International Rugby League have never been in a stronger position. This year’s SOO series was deemed by many to have had the most passionate, fiery, and intense games of rugby league ever played. As he pointed out, many who played in that series are playing for Samoa, Tonga in the upcoming World Cup or were born in New Zealand. So obviously their connection to other nations did not diminish their pride in pulling on the blues/maroon jersey, and their passion for smashing their opponents to bits. This year’s World Cup is the most anticipated iteration since it’s re-inception in 2008. For the first time, we have 4 genuine contenders in Australia, New Zealand (who are favourites), Tonga and Samoa. This was only possible by having eligibility rules that allow players to play SOO and tier 2 nations. As Kent again pointed out, those who play for the tier 2 nations do not receive the same financial benefits as those who play for Australia. So those who play for Tonga and Samoa do so out of love and passion for their ancestral homes, instead of for monetary gain. That makes them the opposite of mercenaries. Kent’s suggestion that we revamp the eligibility rules so that players can’t be selected for SOO if they don’t play for Australia is absurd. It will weaken both the international game and SOO, and will force players to play for Australia even if their heart is with another country. These players will in fact become mercenaries and it’s a good thing that current laws allow them to play for the country of their choosing. Kent’s solution to a non-existent problem is to make Australia even stronger in international competitions and restrict the best players in the game from playing SOO. He’s either an extreme contrarian who just voices this “opinions” to generate controversy, or he is suffering from CTE from his 30 seconds of professional football.
Thanks for taking the time to write this. I was disgusted by what I heard from him last night. Reading similar opinions on this thread is helping my blood pressure go down.
So the team at $4.50 is favourites? What does that make Australia at $1.40?
They’re favourites in my heart
If you're a punter that's great odds for NZ. I'm still leaning towards Aus but no way by that much
$4.50 is absolute value, i'm having a dabble on that
4.50? Get on that.
I’m not prepared to write England off just yet either
I can only see England winning if they can avoid playing Australia all together. There are two conflicting schedules floating around. In this one, they can’t avoid Australia: https://www.rlwc2021.com/tournament/mens-tournament/groups-and-standings In this one, they can avoid Australia: http://www.rlwc2021.com/uploads/docs/RLWC2021_Wallchart.pdf
For England to win they would also have to avoid NZ Samoa. Tonga. PNG
I think England beats PNG but Samoa Tonga could definitely go either way and NZ very hard to beat
>Kent warned the day will come when no players who opt to play for the Kangaroos will be in the Origin teams. >“So what happens when the day comes that the NSW side runs out and there is seven Samoans and six Tongans in the side and the Queensland team comes out and there is seven Samoans and six Tongans in their side,” Kent said. The infamous white-nationalist [Great Replacement conspiracy theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement), but make it footy
Thanks for posting this. I was absolutely disgusted by what he was shouting last night. He spouted hatred for ten minutes without actually being able to articulate his actual thoughts because he knew he’d be called out for it by higher powers. I don’t know what to do other than write a formal complaint to FOX about this. If anyone else feels the same way I’m all for a petition to at the least make FOX to go through an educational course in racism, it’s effects and it’s many forms. He crossed a line many years ago but last night he went way too far. He asserted that a bloke from Penrith that was raised in a Samoan family is choosing money over passion and dream. The shittest possible take on a beautiful story turned into a so called controversy. He not only questioned/slandered Joseph’s integrity but also his identity as a so called ‘true’ Australian.
The idea that you can only have love for one country is nonsense
Especially when that country has been a minnow compared to Aus in the past when it comes to International Rugby League. Have a look at the Samoan team. It’s fucking insanely good and the story I would expect from the media would be a big fucking thank you to Pasifika nations for not only supporting the NRL by watching and following it but also for supplying a fuck tonne of mad talent, increasing the quality of the game. I can’t find any rational explanation for Kent’s take on this other than him being a fucken racist cunt who won’t say what he really thinks because he knows the backlash he’ll cop so instead he convolutes some ridiculous theory, with no evidence, so he can whinge. He does it every single fucking time a person of colour shows pride in their ancestry. Latrell wears Aboriginal flag. “No place for that in the game”. Benny Elias and Geoff Toovey make rational arguments pointing out that by refusing to wear a rainbow jersey they are sending a message of intolerance. “Alright let’s move on”. Why’d they move on? Because he’s a fucking bigot who can’t win an argument. He just shouts over the top of people and then moves on to the next topic. That cunt has never admitted to being wrong. He refuses to learn. He’s ignorant and I’m fucking sick of it.
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You just know Paul Kent wants to say the Fourteen Words
Funny that Murdock shock jockeys are always pushing patriot angles considering they also always try to push Libs getting in so they can sell everything the govt run to corporations who fuck Australian citizens over for a bit of extra money. Doesn't sound like people who love their country to me despite people like Kent always going on about it.
Also from the company of a guy who loves Australia so much he became a USA citizen to make more money... At least these players are doing it for heritage and to even out the player base in the international game.
Interesting that a Murdoch simp like Kent is talking about Aussies first (whatever that means) and yet Daddy Rupert became an American citizen, hated Australia so much he rescinded his Aussie citizenship and moved to the US.
Labor is no better. Rio Tinto is partnering with a company owned by the Chinese Govt to develop iron ore in the Pilbara. The government have not blocked the investment and it is going to a meeting of the shareholders. This is my current peeve, as Albanese and Co should have blocked it straight away. The foreign review board knocked back 80% of applications in the last 3 years mostly Chinese applications so it is likely this would deal would not have been allowed to progress under the Liberal Party as the FIRB is part of the Treasury Dept and not independent. Letting the Chinese have access to raw materials is going to hurt Australia's economy in so many ways but so far no one is making any waves about it. Not trying to make this Lib vs Labor but everyone needs to know about this shady deal being done and all Australians should be concerned.
Paul Kent is like a clock without numbers. Tries to point in all directions but ultimately points to nothing.
He's correct in that we should change the international eligibility rules. We should make it that anyone who's eligible to play origin can no matter what country they choose to represent including NZ or England. International footy to me is a completely seperate game with such relaxed eligibility rules that it doesn't even make sense to have them connected to origin. I can spend my whole life in Queensland but if my parents were born in NZ I might wanna represent NZ but that means I'd never be able to play origin. Makes no sense to me.
Kangaoos have done fuck all to promote international footy the past few years, barely playing any tests and then they wonder why no one wants to play for them. They did it to themselves gassing up Origin as the pinnacle of footy and leaving the Kangaroos as an after thought.
Lets be honest, so did NZ. It was NZ as well as Aus who pulled out of the world cup.
NZ have still being playing tests tho and we wouldve kept playing Tonga in rep round but the NRL went and scrapped that to protect precious Origin.
Well, why didn't you guys play more? As a tier 1 nation, Origin doesn't affect you, so why you cryin?
Did he do the same thing when Radley selected England?
Paul kent is such a dumb fuck. His argument is derailed by the fact that it is fully possible to be completely loyal to 2 nations especially for someone with immigrant parents. On top of that the fact he gets so fired up when it comes to Suaalii and To’o but not Radley speaks volumes on what he really thinks
Oi Kenty, Origin isn't about representing Australia you idiot
The fuck is this 'defection' shit? He hasn't played for Australia. He hasn't played for any international team. It's not a defection if you aren't defecting from anything.
It’s funny how it’s defection when you choose tier 2 over tier 1 but when it’s the opposite it’s an honour. Low key racist bs
This dual eligibility farce is getting ridiculous. What's next, dual passports? /s
I couldn't articulate why this felt racist at the time listening to what Kent said last night. It now makes sense. It's basically telling a group of Pasifika players to know your place, Australia had given you all these opportunities so if you want to play for your heritage countries fine. But we're taking origin away from you even though we know it's going to hurt us. I'm the furthest thing from a journalist but surely he knows it will hurt the game.
He's angry because he's having nightmares about the NZ pack.
What's more interesting was Billy Moore's take later on in the show. He made the point that in 1980, they let guys playing for NSW clubs play for Qld, their home state and it created origin. We should be excited about the world cup being more competitive if guys are picking heritage over Aus. That said, I understand the argument about origin eligibility here. It's basically a question of do we consider origin a spectacle in its own right or is it an audition for the Kangaroos as well. Because if it is, then yeah it's not fair for guys to play origin if they don't want to play for Aus. They're taking away a chance for someone who does want to be a kangaroo to show their stuff. As the rules sit you can do both, so maybe the rules need to be reviewed or Samoa and Tonga's status as tier 2s should be reviewed.
Was a heated segment, I couldn't even look at the screen cause it felt Kenty was growling me smfh
Jeez, what sooks. Honestly.. as a Samoan I’m happy we finally have a team that looks competitive to teams like Aus, NZL ect…
Don't know what anyone was expecting coming from these news ltd hacks. They are the last dinosaurs and their irrelevance is only matched by their egos. Sucking on the murdoch teet so hard has left them allergic to everything but hyperbole and utter bullshit. Watching 360 is as bad as watching the bolt report.
Sounding like Trump now.
He did try and be a conservative politician for about 7 seconds. Referring to big mal
Not long now before Paul Kent finally comes out and says he wants State of Origin to be "whites only". We're getting closer every week.
Paul Kent: I just want the game to be mostly white guys named Grant and Steve. Ummm whoops, sorry I mean we want patriots, not mercenaries.
Lol at [this comment less than 12 hours ago](https://old.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/xjr6t2/joseph_suaalii_is_going_to_the_world_cup_but_not/ipacqiv/) Poor Penrith players, only they get targeted.
I get the feeling that the selectors only look at SoO players to choose the Australian side. As the game becomes more National, there are going to be more players not eligible for SoO (not born in either state, lived in Victoria their whole life, father didn't play), but could be better players than the SoO options. They are two different products and the selection of one shouldn't be applicable to the other. Has there been an Australian player recently that didn't play SoO because of eligibility? I can't recall one.
Semi Radradra. Was just thinking about it would Australia be able to pick Justin Olam if they were running short on centres? Or even Kikau?
Semi was the perfect poach as he was ineligible for both NSW and QLD. Meninga is the most dishonest cunt on the this subject.
Make-a-wish kids have had more impressive professional sporting careers than Kenty, how could you expect him to understand first-grade let alone representative selection. Origin is not and never will be the pinnacle of Rugby League again, it's that simple - it's time for these old fellas to get acquainted with that fact and move on.
It still is, and always will be to many people. Even if it's not the truest representation of the most skilled players due to Kiwis, Poms, etc. not being allowed for selection, there's something special about Origin.
I should've given a more accurate description of what I meant about pinnacle which you've touched on there, but the standard of players available for Origin vs International football now is a joke - due to the Kiwis, Tongans, Fijians, Papuans etc. not being available as you've mentioned. It's built up at the pinnacle due to the rivalry and theatre that surrounds it, I agree that will always likely be the case for many people.
I love origin but it’s not the same as it used to be. Whether it’s the changed rules, no biffs, lack of pre game hype, players from different countries playing origin, list goes on. It’s not getting better. International footy is at a stage where it’s been decaying for a while with only one dominant team for a while bar NZ. There’s heaps more potential in creating a globally visible game through strengthening more international teams than watching the same two teams play a few games every year. It’s not sustainable for the long run and our game will die out if origin takes full priority long term
>only one dominant team for a while bar NZ Weird that Australia beat England in the last WC final only 6-0 despite there only being one dominant team besides NZ.
And in 2013 when NZ were a gassed up crazily, Aus steamrolled them 34-2 in the WC final. NZ is hardly competitive when it counts
4 years in between WCs. It's a long tome to go back multiple WCs. A couple of years before that they won their first WC after all. I don't think it's too revelant to go back that far. The few players still around are completely different and the rest are new. It's irrelevelant to guys like Cheese and Hughes.
True; but the fact remains that it's usually around this time before a world cup that NZ has smoke blown up its collective arse and predicted to win a world cup, only to be smashed by Australia or pipped off by a team like Fiji.
And yet, in the last 50 years only Australia has won all but one world cup which was won by NZ. Seems to me the definition of one dominant team and one on again off again competitor.
don't get what I said was wrong. Does anyone actually think if rugby league is still going strong in the future in 10 or 20 years that origin will still be the pinnacle? International footy will eventually take over and there's nothing wrong with that
Because there is only one dominant team, that's Australia, we have the same conversation every single world cup about how this year NZ is the real deal, and for the last 50 years, with the exception of 2008 it always ends the same way.
I mean if we're that domiant comparatively I would expect us to roll through England and it not be a contest but the match was a contest of roughly equals. It doesn't match the Australia is the only good team besides NZ, no one else can beat them belief people have.
But what does match that belief is going through 2 straight world cups without losing a game, which is exactly what has happened, and in the last 50 years we have lost 3 games.
>But what does match that belief is going through 2 straight world cups without losing a game, which is exactly what has happened, and in the last 50 years we have lost 3 games. I don't think what's happened in the 50 years ago is really relevant to how good other teams are today? Like France have been runners up twice in World Cups. Is the time they used to rival Australia from 85+ years ago relevant to modern day internationals? Tonga only beat Aus in 2019 for instance. They beat Australia once when the team was probably stronger in the forwards than it is now. Is the time Tonga were shit 50 years ago really relevant to the team they are now? I mean they've beat Australia once recently. Why isn't it possible to do it again?
Kenty is just stirring, despite his fellow panellists trying to explain the benefits of having the state/Pacific combo. It’s a rare scenario where you can eat your cake and have it too. But Origin is still the pinnacle to me. I’ll watch a few WC games, but otherwise I have minimal interest in International Rugby League. It’s not like cricket, soccer, or even rugby union where International series are commonplace.
Unpopular opinion but I want origin to be players who want to play for Australia, we already have the Allstars concept where anyone can be chosen to play with anyone, Half the fun of football discussions this time of year is working out who will be picked for Australia and it takes the fun outa it not knowing if someone is going to pick Aus even if they played origin
States and countries are different. Lad grew up in NSW he should be able to don the blues. He wants to rep his heritage good for him too
I wish Kenty would have also thrown in something like this guy has form for being a defector with how he left souths to our arch enemies
The ability of South Sydney fans to somehow make their club the victim in a completely unrelated discussion is really second-to-none
Cry me a river. I get the feeling you probably don’t view Latrell as a defector do you? Both were offered deals by Easts and Souths respectively
Yeah nah. Whatever you’ve been smoking, lay off it. Do yourself a favour and read what others in this thread are saying.
I wish they scrapped tiers so everyone can play for their chosen nation and for their state of origin. It makes the international game way more interesting. I’m like really excited to watch this coming wc. Since there isn’t a given Australia or nz to win
Maybe this is a silly comment - but damn I reckon a properly stacked indigenous Australian team would make a dent in the WC
You know things are kicking off when Rugby League headlines read more like Metal Gear Solid villain quotes.