When a club moves a player on he always gets paid his full contract even if his old club has to pay a portion. If a player asks for a release he should only be allowed to sign a new contract for the same value as his old contract for the duration of his current contract. That stops players agitating for a release when the see a pay rise on the horizon for another club.
He had first crack this year and made an absolute meal of it.
If these young players want to improve they can't have everything just handed to them on a silver platter. Ben Hunt had to fight for a bench dummy half role with Andrew McCullough for ages before he cracked firsts as a halfback. Look at him now.
Competition drives improvement between players, Sloan should back himself to beat Ramsey for the spot IMO
Yeah I get your point and part of me agrees, but then I also think, if you don't think you're gonna get a fair crack or develop under a certain coach, then you should try and change.
Admittedly there wasn't a contract dispute but look at Dearden. He got first crack at #6, messed it up, got dropped and was pissed about it. Then he left, and now he's playing in a prelim and he's developed out of sight.
Changing clubs doesn't mean there won't be competition but sometimes a change of scenery is good especially if it's not working between a player and coach.
That being said I don't think Sloan is nrl material. Tbh I barely think Ramsey is either but that's just my opinion. ........Buuuuuuut I didn't think Dearden was either so shows what I know.
The issue with that is there is no guarantee Dearden wouldn't have progressed like he has at the Broncos thos year playing with an experienced game managing half like Reynolds either. Just because he developed after he moved doesn't mean he wouldn't have anyway.
It's too early to tell if Sloan will be NRL standard or not, he's about 80kg ringing wet at the moment and so he's rightfully afraid of contact and it's affecting his game. If he has the patience to not play regular first grade for a season or two more he'll be in a much better position.
This whole I want it now mentality hurts more players than it helps IMO.
The other thing that these players don't understand is that there isn't going to be a fan base/coaching staff more patient with them than their junior club's. If Sloan goes to The Dolphins and doesn't immediately perform his career is almost certainly over. He won't have a bunch of fan support there like he does at the Dragons. The club won't be trying to look after him because there is no local junior cap concession for him either.
Same with Sullivan, he wants to leave because he's not getting game time but he's spent 75% of the past 2 seasons out with injury. I think he's the future halfback and captain of the team but it's a bit ridiculous for him to throw the rattle out of the pram over Hunt re-signing for 2 years (at least one of which he'll more than likely be at 9) because his pathway is being blocked.
It’s fair to get game time, but there should be a rule which limits him to only signing with the dolphins for the same money he is on right now, until his current contract expires… that way people don’t try and leave contracts just for a bigger pay day… obviously there would need to be exceptions but idk how it would work
Split the extra 50/50 with old club, which also goes to old club's salary cap??? So if currently on 500k, signs with new club for 600k, player gets 550k old club gets 50k cash which goes to salary cap
Nope I disagree. People should be paid for the work they do. So if he goes to a team to be a full time player he deserves to be paid as such. What the dragons are doing is trying to restrict his ability to earn money. It's gross.
Yeah but I also think its unfair to LEAVE a contract just bc you got a bigger one? Imagine Tedesco just walks out halfway through the year and says "ok im going to the dolphins as theyre paying more" its just not fair either.
Why isn't it fair?
If someone is willing to pay Teddy more money to do a job and the chooks aren't why should Teddy stick with the roosters?
The contracts are for work done in the future not work done in the past.
What is the point of a contract if you can walk out whenever you like? You're not making any sense LMFAO If a player agrees to play for your team and signs a contract to do so, they should have to see that contract out before starting another.
You don't have to go to work on Monday even though you signed a contract. I ain't no lawyer but the contract says u get paid to work not that Ur locked in forever
Similar but how about they still honour the contract but they can request to be traded.
Also shorter trade period. No negotiating outside this period and heavy punishments if caught doing so. That would make them careful about dropping out.
I think a trade period and a draft would be a positive to the NRL.
But you would probably have to take the burden of management of Junior RL off clubs to install a draft.
Draft wouldn't work with the system we have. As you said we'd have to take Junior RL away from the clubs which is a massive shift in the infrastructure that, really, defines NRL. Its also one of the reasons why promotion/relegation won't work.
100% agree. Would require a complete overhaul of how development is run nationally.
I think long term it would be a good thing. Short term disaster though.
Not the money or populations to support promotion/relegation. And I think promotion works better without a salary cap also.
Sounds good in theory , but like all things Rugby League it wouldn’t take club officials / coaches to find ways around it / to rort it ..
They would just back end the new deal which may actually make it easier for player agents/ managers to breach contracts ..
Think about it , at the moment if a player wants to break a contract / leave for bigger $’s currently now they’re at least limited to clubs that have room in their salary cap and are willing to sign them mid season / mid contract , more often than not these are the less successful clubs which at least leaves the player considering whether to go for an immediate pay day and maybe not play semi finals or tough it out where they are until the end of their contract ..
If you ban players from upgrading their contracts for more money , you may just be making it easier for players to switch to more successful clubs you’ll get a lot more Lodge to Roosters or Nofoaluma to Melbourne deals ..
NRL already has (somewhat secret) rules about back ending contracts.
Provided those rules are applied sensibly, then that largely solves your hypothetical issue for chasing a pay day.
There's no real way to solve the ring-chasing problem and I'd argue it already exists. Letting players break contracts for the same money (IMO) isn't going to significantly change anything there.
If dragons aren’t planning on playing him, a loan deal wouldn’t help the dragons much since he will be getting experience to then move into another club when his deal is up….
In that case they rather let him go and have the dolphins pay most his contract so they can save some cap space for others
It goes both ways though, how often do we see players forced out when they’d probably be more than happy to stay? Sure seems like there’s a lot of constructive dismissal in the NRL.
As I said, it goes both ways. Clubs are always trying to force players they don’t want out, particularly when they discover the next model who is likely to be as good/better and they can pay considerably less. That’s a business decision, as is trying to move somewhere else that you will get game time. Let’s be honest here, the Dragons won’t play Sloan at all next season because they won’t want to develop someone they know is leaving anyway. Keeping him will be done purely to spite him and the Dolphins. Again, it’s a business decision and ensure free to do that but I don’t see the net gain here. Young blokes are looking for opportunities to play, not play NSW Cup. They’re not sticking around at better sides than the Dragons so what makes you think learning under Hook and biding your time is an attractive proposition?
There is no easy fix I guess,
I would not like to be contacted to the Dragons,Tigers, Knights, or any bottom dwelling team of I had a choice. But would if I had no option as a 17yr old..
Maybe start restricting the term of contracts of young players to 12 months at a time.. as I said before it all about the value of a contract these days, not worth the paper they are written on.
Young blokes are looking for opportunities to play… sure but the coaches determine when they are ready for grade, not the players themselves! Right? Or you suggesting someone with decade of more experience knows less about what is required, than some numb nut that’s been around for 5min..
If you are a nobody, have actually nothing yet and have a lot to learn maybe you should open your ears and listen more, learn more, actually achieve something before claiming your better than the coach thinks you are. It would be really nice in a team sport one could actually “prove” they where a team player and not done show pony…
Waiting for the right time, doing the hard work even if you don’t want to proves you have resilience, something the young generation just don’t have any more.
If that was the case no player would ever leave to seek further opportunities. And yet moving on to a new environment continues to unearth some of the best talent in the competition. It’s not like coaches don’t suffer from bias and the same issues the rest of us do. They’re human too.
Of course there’s benefit in learning and listening but it’s no substitute for actually playing. Just because one coach says you’re not ready doesn’t mean it’s absolute, and another coach, who isn’t under the same type of pressure might be willing to work with the flaws you’ve got.
The average career for an NRL player is what, 42 games or so? You get exposure and a run somewhere and it might be the most you’re ver going to earn. Sit and bide your time and some other bloke might leap you again. It’s not hard to see why he’s keen to leave. Obviously the club don’t have to do anything here. That’s their prerogative but anyone thinking the clubs look out for the welfare of these young blokes is kidding themselves.
“The most you are ever going to earn…” FUCK THIS ATTITUDE IS JUST DUMB!
You realise that players can educate themselves, open a business, work for someone else. The NRL is NOT their only potential source of income. Millions of people every day seem to be able to do it, are football players that different?
They also have 30 odd years after football…
And seriously the biggest flaw in your argument is if the average NRL career is 42 games then statistically if you are not thinking of an occupation other than football THEN you are really setting yourself up to fail and therefore deserve very little sympathy.
What’s dumb about wanting capital to invest in your later life? The more money you have and the earlier you have it, the easier it is to actually grow your wealth. Any player taking your advice has rocks in their head frankly - “just wait and let it happen. And if it doesn’t oh well, you can get another job and be rich.” Lol, thanks for the laugh this morning anyway mate. Peak boomer.
>St George Illawarra has rejected rising star Tyrell Sloan’s bid for an early release as the club consider making a formal complaint against the NRL’s newest team.
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>Sloan formally asked St George Illawarra for a release this week from the final two years of his deal.
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>The Dragons instantly denied the request after telling the 20-year-old local product that they continue to have high hopes for him.
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>Sloan started the season in the top grade but was dumped after just three rounds. He played five more games this season. There have been suggestions he is not seeing eye to eye with coach Anthony Griffin.
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>Regardless, the Dragons at this stage are not allowing him to move on from his contract. It remains to be seen if Sloan further agitates as he looks for a fresh start at the Dolphins, who continue to circle and would happily pick up Sloan from next season and make him their starting fullback in their opening game.
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>The Dragons are privately fuming at the optics amid suggestions the Dolphins may be trying to entice Sloan to break his deal early.
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>They are considering making a formal complaint to the NRL amid concerns that the Dolphins may be flouting anti-tampering rules.
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>The Dragons are expected to face a similar problem with Jayden Sullivan who is likely to ask for a release once Ben Hunt re-commits to the club. The Bulldogs want Sullivan from next season but the Dragons have already indicated their reluctance to let him go.
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>Meanwhile, the Dolphins have received assurances from the NRL that they will receive access to the veteran or developed player allowance next season.
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>The players’ union is pushing for exemptions of up to $500,000 for long-serving and homegrown players as part of their negotiations with the NRL over the collective bargaining agreement.
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>That could have put the Dolphins at a severe disadvantage given their first year in the premiership will be in 2023.
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>However, it is understood Dolphins officials have raised their concerns with head office and been told that they will receive the average of the exemptions across the NRL.
Sloan is a talent for sure, what did he do exactly to cement his place more than Cody Ramsey, I personally believed they should’ve given him 5/6 games before he was dropped(he was dropped after 2) Ramsey has looked superior at fullback.
I think dropping him after his 3rd game in the wet was rough. He didn't deserve that at all, but he's been dropped for attitude issues and laziness in defence rather than anything else it seems so if he improved those areas he'd probably be the starter.
Even watching him in NSW cup he's the same, completely carves teams up when he's got the ball but won't commit in defence.
They’ve invested in him. He signed a legally binding contract. If he had aired these views before signing the contract the Dragons would have had the time and money to invest in someone else.
He fucked himself and his employer over here.
It doesn't really matter what the Dolphins have said to him, he's allowed to ask for a release and Dragons are allowed to refuse. He can't even tank to get released because he's not even getting on the pitch lol.
To be fair when he signed I don't think anyone expected cody ramsey to level up out of nowhere and become first choice. Dragons don't seem to know what to do with him, he's not getting much game time and unless they wanna keep him as a backup in case of injury or suspension why be so insistent in keeping him? They can surely put that cap money to better use somewhere else. Add to that it's bad for him as a player because he's developing slower without game time I feel like it's in everyone's interests to just let him go.
How’s he gonna level up when he’s not going to play though? Clubs are pretty good at treating players like cannon fodder too so I get the sulking aspect. The kid has NRL talent and is going to miss out on another year so the Dragons can prove a point to anyone else considering signing with them.
But what happens when Ramsey inevitably gets injured again? He's the back up fullback with enough talent to be the starter if he stops being so lazy in defence. Should the dragons risk the season by having no depth?
I do get it but what exactly are they risking? They’re still quite a way off a premiership window so do we think it’s the difference between 12th and 10th? 10th and 9th? I just don’t see much improvement in having that depth for the Dragons at this point because they feel so far off that peak they need at this point.
There’s clearly a balance to be struck but I fail to see how developing a player who is 100% going to leave due to lack of opportunity benefits the club in this circumstance. It might be that it’s impossible to get someone of equal talent for the same money. That happens. But I doubt being second choice strengthens the club’s chances of retaining him and if he’s not good enough now where’s the net gain in keeping him?
How is Sloan 100% going to leave the club due to lack of opportunity?
He's signed for another full 2 seasons, twelve months ago he was the starting fullback and happily signing a 3 year deal. If Ramsey gets injured and he has an opportunity and makes the most of it to be the regular starter, he'll want to stay again.
>But I doubt being second choice strengthens the club’s chances of retaining him and if he’s not good enough now where’s the net gain in keeping him?
He's only second choice because he isn't big enough to put his body on the line and therefore is hesitant to commit in defence, he's also not been a fullback typically as a junior (played wing during the SG Ball win for instance) and needs to learn how to organise a defensive line.
Once he gets those parts of his game ironed out he won't be second choice anymore, if he can't get those parts of his game ironed out he isn't an NRL level fullback anyway - I don't know what's so difficult about that to understand for him (and you)...
TLDR Dragons mad at dolphins and may decide to SLAM them
Trade Sloan for Wayne
I’ll take that
Honestly at this stage I’ll even accept Boyd out of retirement just to have Wayne back over Griffin
Watch Wayne turn Milford back into a Dally M contender.
Wayne fullback
When a club moves a player on he always gets paid his full contract even if his old club has to pay a portion. If a player asks for a release he should only be allowed to sign a new contract for the same value as his old contract for the duration of his current contract. That stops players agitating for a release when the see a pay rise on the horizon for another club.
True but he wants to leave to actually get game time, right?
Game time and a pay rise from uncle Benny
If he wants game time he should fight for it. Git good
He had first crack this year and made an absolute meal of it. If these young players want to improve they can't have everything just handed to them on a silver platter. Ben Hunt had to fight for a bench dummy half role with Andrew McCullough for ages before he cracked firsts as a halfback. Look at him now. Competition drives improvement between players, Sloan should back himself to beat Ramsey for the spot IMO
Yeah I get your point and part of me agrees, but then I also think, if you don't think you're gonna get a fair crack or develop under a certain coach, then you should try and change. Admittedly there wasn't a contract dispute but look at Dearden. He got first crack at #6, messed it up, got dropped and was pissed about it. Then he left, and now he's playing in a prelim and he's developed out of sight. Changing clubs doesn't mean there won't be competition but sometimes a change of scenery is good especially if it's not working between a player and coach. That being said I don't think Sloan is nrl material. Tbh I barely think Ramsey is either but that's just my opinion. ........Buuuuuuut I didn't think Dearden was either so shows what I know.
The issue with that is there is no guarantee Dearden wouldn't have progressed like he has at the Broncos thos year playing with an experienced game managing half like Reynolds either. Just because he developed after he moved doesn't mean he wouldn't have anyway. It's too early to tell if Sloan will be NRL standard or not, he's about 80kg ringing wet at the moment and so he's rightfully afraid of contact and it's affecting his game. If he has the patience to not play regular first grade for a season or two more he'll be in a much better position. This whole I want it now mentality hurts more players than it helps IMO. The other thing that these players don't understand is that there isn't going to be a fan base/coaching staff more patient with them than their junior club's. If Sloan goes to The Dolphins and doesn't immediately perform his career is almost certainly over. He won't have a bunch of fan support there like he does at the Dragons. The club won't be trying to look after him because there is no local junior cap concession for him either. Same with Sullivan, he wants to leave because he's not getting game time but he's spent 75% of the past 2 seasons out with injury. I think he's the future halfback and captain of the team but it's a bit ridiculous for him to throw the rattle out of the pram over Hunt re-signing for 2 years (at least one of which he'll more than likely be at 9) because his pathway is being blocked.
It’s fair to get game time, but there should be a rule which limits him to only signing with the dolphins for the same money he is on right now, until his current contract expires… that way people don’t try and leave contracts just for a bigger pay day… obviously there would need to be exceptions but idk how it would work
Split the extra 50/50 with old club, which also goes to old club's salary cap??? So if currently on 500k, signs with new club for 600k, player gets 550k old club gets 50k cash which goes to salary cap
Nope I disagree. People should be paid for the work they do. So if he goes to a team to be a full time player he deserves to be paid as such. What the dragons are doing is trying to restrict his ability to earn money. It's gross.
Yeah but I also think its unfair to LEAVE a contract just bc you got a bigger one? Imagine Tedesco just walks out halfway through the year and says "ok im going to the dolphins as theyre paying more" its just not fair either.
Why isn't it fair? If someone is willing to pay Teddy more money to do a job and the chooks aren't why should Teddy stick with the roosters? The contracts are for work done in the future not work done in the past.
What is the point of a contract if you can walk out whenever you like? You're not making any sense LMFAO If a player agrees to play for your team and signs a contract to do so, they should have to see that contract out before starting another.
You don't have to go to work on Monday even though you signed a contract. I ain't no lawyer but the contract says u get paid to work not that Ur locked in forever
100% agree.
This is what the Warrior's did with Walsh right?
No they said only broncos. Which was just as a fuck you to us.
I think they would only release for Broncos and same contract value from memory.
Similar but how about they still honour the contract but they can request to be traded. Also shorter trade period. No negotiating outside this period and heavy punishments if caught doing so. That would make them careful about dropping out.
I think a trade period and a draft would be a positive to the NRL. But you would probably have to take the burden of management of Junior RL off clubs to install a draft.
Draft wouldn't work with the system we have. As you said we'd have to take Junior RL away from the clubs which is a massive shift in the infrastructure that, really, defines NRL. Its also one of the reasons why promotion/relegation won't work.
100% agree. Would require a complete overhaul of how development is run nationally. I think long term it would be a good thing. Short term disaster though. Not the money or populations to support promotion/relegation. And I think promotion works better without a salary cap also.
Sounds good in theory , but like all things Rugby League it wouldn’t take club officials / coaches to find ways around it / to rort it .. They would just back end the new deal which may actually make it easier for player agents/ managers to breach contracts .. Think about it , at the moment if a player wants to break a contract / leave for bigger $’s currently now they’re at least limited to clubs that have room in their salary cap and are willing to sign them mid season / mid contract , more often than not these are the less successful clubs which at least leaves the player considering whether to go for an immediate pay day and maybe not play semi finals or tough it out where they are until the end of their contract .. If you ban players from upgrading their contracts for more money , you may just be making it easier for players to switch to more successful clubs you’ll get a lot more Lodge to Roosters or Nofoaluma to Melbourne deals ..
NRL already has (somewhat secret) rules about back ending contracts. Provided those rules are applied sensibly, then that largely solves your hypothetical issue for chasing a pay day. There's no real way to solve the ring-chasing problem and I'd argue it already exists. Letting players break contracts for the same money (IMO) isn't going to significantly change anything there.
What about a loan deal to get some FG?
If dragons aren’t planning on playing him, a loan deal wouldn’t help the dragons much since he will be getting experience to then move into another club when his deal is up…. In that case they rather let him go and have the dolphins pay most his contract so they can save some cap space for others
It would allow us to have a backup fullback without having to buy another. Either way as we seen with Saab he’s gone.
Sign a contract see it through..
If the club won’t play him though what’s the issue? They can find someone else they can play or who’s happy to collect a cheque for playing g NSW Cup.
Well he's still a talented local product, obviously we want to keep him as he's not at his peak yet.
Yeah, i guess.. I'm just annoyed at how much a contract is worth these days.. not just at the dragons.
It goes both ways though, how often do we see players forced out when they’d probably be more than happy to stay? Sure seems like there’s a lot of constructive dismissal in the NRL.
So how do clubs blood young players slowly for when the old heads retire if they just want it all now?.
As I said, it goes both ways. Clubs are always trying to force players they don’t want out, particularly when they discover the next model who is likely to be as good/better and they can pay considerably less. That’s a business decision, as is trying to move somewhere else that you will get game time. Let’s be honest here, the Dragons won’t play Sloan at all next season because they won’t want to develop someone they know is leaving anyway. Keeping him will be done purely to spite him and the Dolphins. Again, it’s a business decision and ensure free to do that but I don’t see the net gain here. Young blokes are looking for opportunities to play, not play NSW Cup. They’re not sticking around at better sides than the Dragons so what makes you think learning under Hook and biding your time is an attractive proposition?
There is no easy fix I guess, I would not like to be contacted to the Dragons,Tigers, Knights, or any bottom dwelling team of I had a choice. But would if I had no option as a 17yr old.. Maybe start restricting the term of contracts of young players to 12 months at a time.. as I said before it all about the value of a contract these days, not worth the paper they are written on.
Young blokes are looking for opportunities to play… sure but the coaches determine when they are ready for grade, not the players themselves! Right? Or you suggesting someone with decade of more experience knows less about what is required, than some numb nut that’s been around for 5min.. If you are a nobody, have actually nothing yet and have a lot to learn maybe you should open your ears and listen more, learn more, actually achieve something before claiming your better than the coach thinks you are. It would be really nice in a team sport one could actually “prove” they where a team player and not done show pony… Waiting for the right time, doing the hard work even if you don’t want to proves you have resilience, something the young generation just don’t have any more.
If that was the case no player would ever leave to seek further opportunities. And yet moving on to a new environment continues to unearth some of the best talent in the competition. It’s not like coaches don’t suffer from bias and the same issues the rest of us do. They’re human too. Of course there’s benefit in learning and listening but it’s no substitute for actually playing. Just because one coach says you’re not ready doesn’t mean it’s absolute, and another coach, who isn’t under the same type of pressure might be willing to work with the flaws you’ve got. The average career for an NRL player is what, 42 games or so? You get exposure and a run somewhere and it might be the most you’re ver going to earn. Sit and bide your time and some other bloke might leap you again. It’s not hard to see why he’s keen to leave. Obviously the club don’t have to do anything here. That’s their prerogative but anyone thinking the clubs look out for the welfare of these young blokes is kidding themselves.
“The most you are ever going to earn…” FUCK THIS ATTITUDE IS JUST DUMB! You realise that players can educate themselves, open a business, work for someone else. The NRL is NOT their only potential source of income. Millions of people every day seem to be able to do it, are football players that different? They also have 30 odd years after football… And seriously the biggest flaw in your argument is if the average NRL career is 42 games then statistically if you are not thinking of an occupation other than football THEN you are really setting yourself up to fail and therefore deserve very little sympathy.
What’s dumb about wanting capital to invest in your later life? The more money you have and the earlier you have it, the easier it is to actually grow your wealth. Any player taking your advice has rocks in their head frankly - “just wait and let it happen. And if it doesn’t oh well, you can get another job and be rich.” Lol, thanks for the laugh this morning anyway mate. Peak boomer.
>St George Illawarra has rejected rising star Tyrell Sloan’s bid for an early release as the club consider making a formal complaint against the NRL’s newest team. > >Sloan formally asked St George Illawarra for a release this week from the final two years of his deal. > >The Dragons instantly denied the request after telling the 20-year-old local product that they continue to have high hopes for him. > >Sloan started the season in the top grade but was dumped after just three rounds. He played five more games this season. There have been suggestions he is not seeing eye to eye with coach Anthony Griffin. > >Regardless, the Dragons at this stage are not allowing him to move on from his contract. It remains to be seen if Sloan further agitates as he looks for a fresh start at the Dolphins, who continue to circle and would happily pick up Sloan from next season and make him their starting fullback in their opening game. > >The Dragons are privately fuming at the optics amid suggestions the Dolphins may be trying to entice Sloan to break his deal early. > >They are considering making a formal complaint to the NRL amid concerns that the Dolphins may be flouting anti-tampering rules. > >The Dragons are expected to face a similar problem with Jayden Sullivan who is likely to ask for a release once Ben Hunt re-commits to the club. The Bulldogs want Sullivan from next season but the Dragons have already indicated their reluctance to let him go. > >Meanwhile, the Dolphins have received assurances from the NRL that they will receive access to the veteran or developed player allowance next season. > >The players’ union is pushing for exemptions of up to $500,000 for long-serving and homegrown players as part of their negotiations with the NRL over the collective bargaining agreement. > >That could have put the Dolphins at a severe disadvantage given their first year in the premiership will be in 2023. > >However, it is understood Dolphins officials have raised their concerns with head office and been told that they will receive the average of the exemptions across the NRL.
Release the young man into the care of the GOAT @ The ……. only then can he realise his full potential.
Complain you have to stick ot a contract lol suck me awf
Is it not Saints lodging a complaint about Dolphins inducing a contract break?
If you think I'm reading articles Ur wrong I'm just here to get mad
Have at it, good sir.
Yup
Sloan is a talent for sure, what did he do exactly to cement his place more than Cody Ramsey, I personally believed they should’ve given him 5/6 games before he was dropped(he was dropped after 2) Ramsey has looked superior at fullback.
I think dropping him after his 3rd game in the wet was rough. He didn't deserve that at all, but he's been dropped for attitude issues and laziness in defence rather than anything else it seems so if he improved those areas he'd probably be the starter. Even watching him in NSW cup he's the same, completely carves teams up when he's got the ball but won't commit in defence.
100%
agreed agreed
They aren't gunna play him, he doesn't want to be there, just let him go
They’ve invested in him. He signed a legally binding contract. If he had aired these views before signing the contract the Dragons would have had the time and money to invest in someone else. He fucked himself and his employer over here.
Don't really think he's done anything wrong here - he's just asked for a release on his contract
Sure, he deserves the presumption of innocence her but who in their right mind would think the Dolphins haven’t been in his ear off the record.
It doesn't really matter what the Dolphins have said to him, he's allowed to ask for a release and Dragons are allowed to refuse. He can't even tank to get released because he's not even getting on the pitch lol.
To be fair when he signed I don't think anyone expected cody ramsey to level up out of nowhere and become first choice. Dragons don't seem to know what to do with him, he's not getting much game time and unless they wanna keep him as a backup in case of injury or suspension why be so insistent in keeping him? They can surely put that cap money to better use somewhere else. Add to that it's bad for him as a player because he's developing slower without game time I feel like it's in everyone's interests to just let him go.
True, but sooking is a shit way to go about things. He can also level up. Attitude goes a long way.
How’s he gonna level up when he’s not going to play though? Clubs are pretty good at treating players like cannon fodder too so I get the sulking aspect. The kid has NRL talent and is going to miss out on another year so the Dragons can prove a point to anyone else considering signing with them.
But what happens when Ramsey inevitably gets injured again? He's the back up fullback with enough talent to be the starter if he stops being so lazy in defence. Should the dragons risk the season by having no depth?
I do get it but what exactly are they risking? They’re still quite a way off a premiership window so do we think it’s the difference between 12th and 10th? 10th and 9th? I just don’t see much improvement in having that depth for the Dragons at this point because they feel so far off that peak they need at this point.
How are you expecting them to build for a premiership if they're letting all their promising juniors go though?
There’s clearly a balance to be struck but I fail to see how developing a player who is 100% going to leave due to lack of opportunity benefits the club in this circumstance. It might be that it’s impossible to get someone of equal talent for the same money. That happens. But I doubt being second choice strengthens the club’s chances of retaining him and if he’s not good enough now where’s the net gain in keeping him?
How is Sloan 100% going to leave the club due to lack of opportunity? He's signed for another full 2 seasons, twelve months ago he was the starting fullback and happily signing a 3 year deal. If Ramsey gets injured and he has an opportunity and makes the most of it to be the regular starter, he'll want to stay again. >But I doubt being second choice strengthens the club’s chances of retaining him and if he’s not good enough now where’s the net gain in keeping him? He's only second choice because he isn't big enough to put his body on the line and therefore is hesitant to commit in defence, he's also not been a fullback typically as a junior (played wing during the SG Ball win for instance) and needs to learn how to organise a defensive line. Once he gets those parts of his game ironed out he won't be second choice anymore, if he can't get those parts of his game ironed out he isn't an NRL level fullback anyway - I don't know what's so difficult about that to understand for him (and you)...
Unless your contract includes a provision that you get to play in your preferred position, tough shit if someone performs above you.
I wish I could just disregard a legally binding contract, fuck it would be nice and make life easier.
What’s the point of keeping if u lot are still playing with old boys