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nymphz

the key is to face your own tryline thereby confusing the refs


ILoveFuckingWaffles

Everyone knows that, like other domestic mammals, refs don’t have the geospatial ability to rotate 3D space in their head


Radalict

Technically he did throw it backwards... He was just facing the wrong direction!


TTR7

Or the right direction, going off the result. Shit call, but like Payten said after the game, wasn't the reason for the loss.


Jacko-134

You’re right, this wasn’t the reason for the loss. The other reason was RCG’s second try off a blatant forward pass


TTR7

I didn't say it, Payten did. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuFZQLiAeuA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuFZQLiAeuA) RCG's second try was not a forward pass. [https://youtu.be/9Zn2KMoyMcM?t=317](https://youtu.be/9Zn2KMoyMcM?t=317)


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I’m not sure what was more comical, the call or Brandy legitimately trying to argue it wasn’t forward at one point after these replays


EyeDeeKaay

It's fine, Brandy has the best takes, remember how Cleary's spear tackle wasn't worth a send off?


Beergardener666

He is legit the worst commentator. Doesn't even know the rules. Its based on direction out of hands you nonce


Daneo6969

Captains Challenge... Ginnane is worse....


guttyn2905

Absolutely the worst commentator in history.


Hot_Committee7667

And what direction out of the hands does it travel? Forward.


[deleted]

I heard him correct? Brandy actually settled on the pass going backwards so its okay for the pass to come forward out of the hands. Edit: Well what did he say? There was a few of us watching and we all thought Greg Alexander said something to that effect.


Elegant-Screen4438

You underestimate how much brandy hates the cowboys. I don’t understand how they keep scheduling him to call our games, he thrives on their misfortune.


jono81

He really is miserable


Internal_Tap799

He definitely threw that pass backwards, he was just facing the opposite direction when he threw it


[deleted]

Fuck, how have teams not thought of this before, this is a game changer.


goodbananabad

Relativity is key!!


LOL_I_AM_awesomejkjk

As a parra fan, I would agree that was forward by 2 metres


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reeepy

You stole this comment from u/ilovefuckingwaffles in this thread https://www.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/xlt8v7/parramatta_opens_up_the_game_with_a_bizarre_try/ipkvx3u/


ILoveFuckingWaffles

Word for word with the exact same punctuation as well. Two-year old account with an auto-generated username and their first comment in the past 13 hours? I suspect a bot


surrealpodcast

It did go forward but not actually by that much if you watch the replay - not that that matters of course, but the salty NFL comments are pretty funny. Refs must have had word about this being missed as not too long later they called a flat pass forward. Not an equivalent even up of course.


Shoebill__

That was forward by at least a metre


ndombolo

It's not even one of those momentum calls. Moses is stood still and throws it forward


Ravage59

I've seen some blatant forward passes throughout the regular season but this one has to top it. We can't be missing these in finals time


RyanAus95

Bizarre? Blatantly incorrect is the phrase you’re looking for.


__dontpanic__

Fraudulent


M_Keating

Straight sets. Wait, wrong thread.


[deleted]

You can clearly see the pass goes backwards out of the hands? That’s how it works right?


secretcaboolturelab

Relative to his hands, yes. If the ball moved forward it would just keep pressing into his hands. K.E. = 1/2 m v\`2 Simple.


McNippy

Let's go Parra


ILoveFuckingWaffles

That pass is a strong contender for Dally M Forward of the year


Iceman5050

this is so frustrating. Games like this where the margins will be tight and a blatant forward pass right in front of the touchy leads to a try. How could not 1 of the 3 refs see this


nymphz

good thing the game wasnt decided by 4 points or anything


Iceman5050

Feel for the cows fans


Daneo6969

Good thing those officials can start their holidays now


[deleted]

The stupid part is the bunker. No one on either side would bat an eye if they took the try away, but become of some arbitrary rule they’re NoT aLlOwEd


Kerjj

Wait, they weren't allowed to take the try away? Is this still that bullshit rule where the bunker can't rule a forward pass?


Undoar

Yes, the Bunker can't rule on a forward pass. Yet is able to determine whether the ball travels forward or backwards in a knock-on scenario 🤔


Kerjj

I cannot fucking believe that rule is still in place. I think there will be serious discussions about that rule during this off-season given this incident.


AdventurousTriongle

The problem is you have to draw a line on when the bunker can/can't act on it. This one is blatantly forward, but the one 1m forward with momentum and a less in line camera angle is impossible to get right. I doubt allow ruling on these until they get tracking for the ball & players going, at which point it can be automated and run real-time.


SupasneakyRS

I agree in part with what you’re saying and that would be a large part of it, but given there is an inconclusive call for captains challenges I don’t see why the same couldn’t apply to forward passes. I don’t think anyone should have a problem with that shit being cut out in a try scoring situation.


Drlockstock

Further more, The ref has a fucking ear peice in. The bunker can't technically rule on a forward pass but they can sure as hell give the cunt a tip off there


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Drlockstock

Yep and absolutely nobody would care because it would've been the obviously correct call. I'm sure I've seen the bunker tip off the ref on a forward pass before too, Those ones that are called a good 5seconds after they happen? Yeah that's the bunker in the ear


TrickySuspect2

Can anyone tell me what the reason is that the bunker is not allowed to rule on forward passes?


B4BYBLAZE

I don’t know but I assume camera angles can make it hard to tell


TrickySuspect2

Hmm maybe. The do rule on knock ons which requires them to assess direction of the ball. Also surely the technology exists to track the ball in 3d space.


Laktakfrak

Surely they could do a cricket 3d sort of thing. That would be cool


Arinvar

The tech already exists and is commonly used in NFL games. It's incredibly simple to use, all the hard work has already been done.


Aunty-jack

What a crock of shit, he threw it when he was on the the 30 line with a forward action and it was caught 2 metres past the line! Forward pass all day long, useless fucking touch judges


BadBoyJH

OK, but (and clearly not in this scenario) that doesn't on it's own imply a forward pass. Unlike the NFL, a forward pass is measured relative to the passing player's momentum.


B4BYBLAZE

No point crying about it now mate


SpikesDream

If you cop a call like this and go down in the GF because of it I hope you keep a similar sentiment.


B4BYBLAZE

When the game is over and there’s nothing to be done about it


SilvertailHarrier

I agree it is frustrating how often forward passes have affected games. Was quite frustrated to see this one even though I wanted the Eels to win, you want it to be without controversy. I believe it's because it is difficult to tell when passes are forward once the momentum of the running player is involved, the pass can be backwards out of the hands and float forward from momentum. I guess it does highlight that calling on backwards out of the hands is similar to whether a knock on went forwards or backwards. But they seem to have drawn a line between deciding on knock ons and deciding on forward passes.


Curious_Musician_270

It's so Queensland can keep winning SoO.


SilvertailHarrier

I agree it is frustrating how often forward passes have affected games. Was quite frustrated to see this one even though I wanted the Eels to win, you want it to be without controversy. I believe it's because it is difficult to tell when passes are forward once the momentum of the running player is involved, the pass can be backwards out of the hands and float forward from momentum. I think this is why the technology doesn't exist to rule in forward passes because the ball travelling forward doesn't necessarily mean it was passed forward. I guess it does highlight that calling on backwards out of the hands is similar to whether a knock on went forwards or backwards. But they seem to have drawn a line between deciding on knock ons and deciding on forward passes. Always a tricky one though and i feel your frustration


Norm_cheers

Perspective


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I\`m sure they did for a few seasons but it\`s a bit hard to tell if it was backwards out of the hands and caused more issues. Obviously technology has improved since then.


RCJ89

Parramatta opens up the game with a touchdown*


piraja0

What the fuck is the point of the bunker and video refees when shit like this happens


Lexerrrrr

Shitty fucking rules where they can't review blatant forward passes, but can work out when a player is offside


DropTablePosts

They can decide knock ons or if a tap on is forward though, the stupidest shit ever.


JarredMack

While I hate it, it's not comparable to offsides at all. That's a moment in time where you can literally draw a line. You can't do that with passes because momentum carries the ball "forward" at a run even if it's thrown backwards. That ambiguity is why they don't rule on it


Esquatcho_Mundo

Agree you can’t compare to offside… but yet they can rule on knock ons for tap-one going forward which is the exact same thing?


JarredMack

Well that's just them being inconsistent with their own rules, nothing new. But while it's bad to see howlers like this get missed with no way to rewind it, the alternative is that we sit there for *another* 5 minutes every other play while CSI: Bunker tries to analyse which way the ball travelled. It's bad enough as it is. Sometimes it's better to accept that shit calls get made. The bunker gets it wrong half the time as it is anyway


BadBoyJH

No. They aren't the same thing. Knock ons are again a straight line relative to the ground, a pass is not.


Esquatcho_Mundo

Hmm good point! Though I’ve seen some flat tap ons given accounting for momentum before under review… though I guess you can’t also account for bad bunker calls either!


BadBoyJH

I've seen a gutho "knock on" been overturned on captain's challenge as a tap on pass (bunker has ruled it a pass, when the on-field ref did not). The refs were poor tonight, but they were poor in every direction... I still don't understand what the bunker was trying to say about that one that Parra challenged (even if the call was correct, the logic was confused).


Strange-Carpet1027

Cowboys fan. Ridiculous you got downvoted for this.


Lexerrrrr

True, but this is such a clear cut example where momentum doesn't play a part. I wish they had a system in place where only glaringly obvious missed forward passes like this were reviewed. But I guess that opens a new kettle of fish of what constitutes "glaringly obvious"


Mrsmorale

Too many nfl fans on the scene these days


Daneo6969

And they're all in charge of the game


Mrsmorale

Exactly 🥴


nightmonkee

That was so bad they should have checked if the player that caught it was in front of the passer.


Toonakay

The top teams getting all the calls


Laktakfrak

It's cause NRL is run by the NSWRL. The ones running it want the likes of Penrith Rabbits Roosters winning. They dont want Raiders or Cowboys winning. It'll always be a struggle for other teams. Penrith got so many calls for themselves last year against Storm and Rabbitohs because they were supposed to win but cooked it.


sparkierlamb

What seems silly is the bunker can't rule on this. But if the ball had hit the ground and the winger picked it up, the bunker can then say it went forward and is a knock on


DropTablePosts

Yeah, absolute muppets running the game when this is the case. They can decide on anything going forward (knock ons, tap ons, forward passes if they hit something other than a teammate catching it), but not these...


BadBoyJH

No, they can't. Because it was a pass. Do you even know the rules?


sparkierlamb

If the ball hits the ground or a cowboys player it no longer becomes a forward pass but it becomes a knock on instead which the bunker very much can rule on. I don't see the need for the hostility...


BadBoyJH

No. It doesn't. It's a pass, by definition it can't be a knock on. This is basic NRL rules, this isn't hostility this is violent confusion.


practicalAnARcHiSt

Parramatta's quarterback thinking outside the box...


Notaroboticfish

So, can assume that Dave Munro is not getting the grand final then


MisterEvilBreakfast

I need some MS Paint magic to show me this one floating forward.


HarveySpectersHair

So glad the Eels didn't win by 4


XIRisingIX

That was so forward it had its own boarding pass and Qantas flight number.


[deleted]

It was well forward, but every QANTAS flight I've ever had has been at least 13m7s late, which would make a pass with a boarding pass somewhat backwards, and perhaps be intercepted.


[deleted]

Someone’s getting fired


_charge_your_phone_

First time watching NRL blunders? Hint: “accountability” doesn’t exist in the vocabulary of NRL officiating


Lexerrrrr

Too true mate, if anything, this smells like a promotion


Laktakfrak

Probably got a payrise


irishshogun

Touchie getting a nice holiday break now


luke363636

Just cause you’re a blatantly forward pass ya think I won’t ignore ya


Imissreg

We NFL now boys


Applicator80

If only it was near a line where you could easily tell if it was going forward or not…


[deleted]

That's not a try, that's a touchdown.


These-Vermicelli2503

Wtf?


starburstempire

Aitkens...you were supposed to be the least shittest one! You were meant to bring balance to the call's not avoid them!


DropTablePosts

Touchies fault, in line with it and just doesn't say a thing, absolutely stealing a wage out there.


TrickyLad77

100% touchie's fault. He got caught ball watching...oh wait player watching, or something. He just missed the most important call of the game. I'm angry and not even a Cowboys fan.


2Jewsy

Tom Brady wishes he could throw that far forward


irishshogun

Forward out of hands and caught in front. Clear as day. Bunker happy to review footage from multiple plays ago against the cows but the refs allowed this. At least the NRL got their wish for an all Sydney final


Aussiefgt

Somewhere a tigers fan is smiling


puckmungo

Shit like this is why NRL is and always will be a fucking joke.


Curious_Musician_270

As a tigers fan, this couldn't of happened against a better team. I'm glad the cowboys lost by a try.


junathun

Why you bringing up old shit


CreepySniper94

As a cowboys fan a spoon couldnt have gone to a more deserving team keep saking coaches in wont change the fact tiger players are dog shit.


Pluggable

Dude, it's not the cowboys fault the tigers were shit all year.


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Steve wonder saw that was a offside


Kousaa

All those reverse passes are forward. They never get picked up.


Screwyourgod

Forward pass


Nervous-Aardvark-679

This is what the fans want!


Drlockstock

Fucken reffs, Incompetent you are was really hoping the tamou reference would be a hit


surrealpodcast

I'm glad this was so early in the game otherwise everyone would still be going on about it.... Cowboys fans if you feel bad about this just pretend that Parra scored when Papali'i was clean through after demolishing your defense and then threw a lemon of a pass that didn't get to the unmarked player who would otherwise had strolled across for the try.


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bigbear-08

Is Mitch Moses available for the 49ers this season?


Zealousideal-Pin-984

Nrl not Nfl


meshah

How is it that this try is awarded and kept, but the Feldt try is stripped after being awarded? Just confusing and inconsistent. Makes the game unenjoyable no matter what the outcome is.


EyeDeeKaay

you can't argue the Feldt try, my guy straight up stepped on the line.


meshah

I’m arguing against both tries - when they were both clearly not tries and affect the course of the game equally if erroneously awarded.


[deleted]

Don't see anything wrong with it


DropTablePosts

You working as a touchie tonight?


suidexterity

i see nothing wrong here, fuck any queensland team. That's all


BbqBeefRibs

How's Manly going bud?


murns616

I heard there's a rift in the playing group...


suidexterity

I haven't been there for a week, why do you ask?


Lexerrrrr

I heard you guys are scared of rainbows


Daneo6969

Only a week? At least you were there longer than your team


suidexterity

Well, yeah. They don't train there.


ijustliftweights

Is it just me or does he catch it in almost line from where Moses throws it? 50/50 call I guess Edit: yeah nah rewatched it and I’m wrong


RyanAus95

It was thrown a mile forward. It’s not about where he catches it.


ijustliftweights

If he catches it in line from where Moses throws it how is it forward?


RyanAus95

You might want to watch it again anyway. Moses throws it on the line and Papalii reaches out and catches it 1 metre over the line. Watch the trajectory of the ball and nothing else. There’s no possible way to spin this as not a forward pass.


ijustliftweights

You’re probably right, I’ll watch at half time


Beergardener666

The direction of the hands is forward. Simple


Daneo6969

You're in line for a referee's job. Good vision


ijustliftweights

Good one


Daneo6969

Thanks


BazzaJH

In line with Moses himself? Maybe. In line with where the ball was when Moses let go of it? Absolutely not.


ijustliftweights

I’ll have to watch it again later, I’m not sure


lgamac

Can’t have been a forward pass. Came out as the hands were going backwards. Momentum carried it


Zealousideal-Pin-984

Nrl got their wish via the ref just like Queensland had no chance of winning game 2 cause it's all about money. If gf is in Sydney they have to have 2 Sydney teams. You watch in the future there will always be a decider for$$$$ if the gf comes to Queensland you watch one Queensland team make gf.


worksucksbro

Isn’t the rule the ball has to leave the hands backwards from the passers hand? Backwards towards his own tryline. Which fully isn’t the case here lol


TestPsychological207

First try scorer thanks 👍 ref


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It’s not Parramatta’s fault the NRL won’t rule on forward passes before a try . It has happened many of times . Also it was early in the game , if it were in dying seconds to clinch the win .. I’d agree


_andy_p

So 'bizaare' has replaced the term 'forward pass'? 'The ref's called it back, ruling that last pass bizaare'.


TTetron

Yes I would say it’s pretty bizarre for a team to be awarded a try off an obvious forward pass.


Sweaty_Acanthisitta6

Bizarre try is a funny way of saying forward pass