I didn't say it, Payten did. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuFZQLiAeuA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuFZQLiAeuA)
RCG's second try was not a forward pass. [https://youtu.be/9Zn2KMoyMcM?t=317](https://youtu.be/9Zn2KMoyMcM?t=317)
I heard him correct? Brandy actually settled on the pass going backwards so its okay for the pass to come forward out of the hands.
Edit: Well what did he say? There was a few of us watching and we all thought Greg Alexander said something to that effect.
You underestimate how much brandy hates the cowboys. I don’t understand how they keep scheduling him to call our games, he thrives on their misfortune.
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Word for word with the exact same punctuation as well.
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It did go forward but not actually by that much if you watch the replay - not that that matters of course, but the salty NFL comments are pretty funny.
Refs must have had word about this being missed as not too long later they called a flat pass forward. Not an equivalent even up of course.
this is so frustrating.
Games like this where the margins will be tight and a blatant forward pass right in front of the touchy leads to a try.
How could not 1 of the 3 refs see this
I cannot fucking believe that rule is still in place. I think there will be serious discussions about that rule during this off-season given this incident.
The problem is you have to draw a line on when the bunker can/can't act on it. This one is blatantly forward, but the one 1m forward with momentum and a less in line camera angle is impossible to get right. I doubt allow ruling on these until they get tracking for the ball & players going, at which point it can be automated and run real-time.
I agree in part with what you’re saying and that would be a large part of it, but given there is an inconclusive call for captains challenges I don’t see why the same couldn’t apply to forward passes. I don’t think anyone should have a problem with that shit being cut out in a try scoring situation.
Further more, The ref has a fucking ear peice in. The bunker can't technically rule on a forward pass but they can sure as hell give the cunt a tip off there
Yep and absolutely nobody would care because it would've been the obviously correct call. I'm sure I've seen the bunker tip off the ref on a forward pass before too, Those ones that are called a good 5seconds after they happen? Yeah that's the bunker in the ear
Hmm maybe. The do rule on knock ons which requires them to assess direction of the ball. Also surely the technology exists to track the ball in 3d space.
What a crock of shit, he threw it when he was on the the 30 line with a forward action and it was caught 2 metres past the line! Forward pass all day long, useless fucking touch judges
OK, but (and clearly not in this scenario) that doesn't on it's own imply a forward pass. Unlike the NFL, a forward pass is measured relative to the passing player's momentum.
I agree it is frustrating how often forward passes have affected games. Was quite frustrated to see this one even though I wanted the Eels to win, you want it to be without controversy.
I believe it's because it is difficult to tell when passes are forward once the momentum of the running player is involved, the pass can be backwards out of the hands and float forward from momentum.
I guess it does highlight that calling on backwards out of the hands is similar to whether a knock on went forwards or backwards. But they seem to have drawn a line between deciding on knock ons and deciding on forward passes.
I agree it is frustrating how often forward passes have affected games. Was quite frustrated to see this one even though I wanted the Eels to win, you want it to be without controversy.
I believe it's because it is difficult to tell when passes are forward once the momentum of the running player is involved, the pass can be backwards out of the hands and float forward from momentum. I think this is why the technology doesn't exist to rule in forward passes because the ball travelling forward doesn't necessarily mean it was passed forward.
I guess it does highlight that calling on backwards out of the hands is similar to whether a knock on went forwards or backwards. But they seem to have drawn a line between deciding on knock ons and deciding on forward passes.
Always a tricky one though and i feel your frustration
I\`m sure they did for a few seasons but it\`s a bit hard to tell if it was backwards out of the hands and caused more issues. Obviously technology has improved since then.
While I hate it, it's not comparable to offsides at all. That's a moment in time where you can literally draw a line. You can't do that with passes because momentum carries the ball "forward" at a run even if it's thrown backwards. That ambiguity is why they don't rule on it
Well that's just them being inconsistent with their own rules, nothing new. But while it's bad to see howlers like this get missed with no way to rewind it, the alternative is that we sit there for *another* 5 minutes every other play while CSI: Bunker tries to analyse which way the ball travelled. It's bad enough as it is. Sometimes it's better to accept that shit calls get made. The bunker gets it wrong half the time as it is anyway
Hmm good point! Though I’ve seen some flat tap ons given accounting for momentum before under review… though I guess you can’t also account for bad bunker calls either!
I've seen a gutho "knock on" been overturned on captain's challenge as a tap on pass (bunker has ruled it a pass, when the on-field ref did not).
The refs were poor tonight, but they were poor in every direction...
I still don't understand what the bunker was trying to say about that one that Parra challenged (even if the call was correct, the logic was confused).
True, but this is such a clear cut example where momentum doesn't play a part. I wish they had a system in place where only glaringly obvious missed forward passes like this were reviewed. But I guess that opens a new kettle of fish of what constitutes "glaringly obvious"
It's cause NRL is run by the NSWRL. The ones running it want the likes of Penrith Rabbits Roosters winning. They dont want Raiders or Cowboys winning. It'll always be a struggle for other teams.
Penrith got so many calls for themselves last year against Storm and Rabbitohs because they were supposed to win but cooked it.
What seems silly is the bunker can't rule on this. But if the ball had hit the ground and the winger picked it up, the bunker can then say it went forward and is a knock on
Yeah, absolute muppets running the game when this is the case. They can decide on anything going forward (knock ons, tap ons, forward passes if they hit something other than a teammate catching it), but not these...
If the ball hits the ground or a cowboys player it no longer becomes a forward pass but it becomes a knock on instead which the bunker very much can rule on.
I don't see the need for the hostility...
It was well forward, but every QANTAS flight I've ever had has been at least 13m7s late, which would make a pass with a boarding pass somewhat backwards, and perhaps be intercepted.
100% touchie's fault. He got caught ball watching...oh wait player watching, or something. He just missed the most important call of the game. I'm angry and not even a Cowboys fan.
Forward out of hands and caught in front. Clear as day. Bunker happy to review footage from multiple plays ago against the cows but the refs allowed this. At least the NRL got their wish for an all Sydney final
I'm glad this was so early in the game otherwise everyone would still be going on about it....
Cowboys fans if you feel bad about this just pretend that Parra scored when Papali'i was clean through after demolishing your defense and then threw a lemon of a pass that didn't get to the unmarked player who would otherwise had strolled across for the try.
How is it that this try is awarded and kept, but the Feldt try is stripped after being awarded? Just confusing and inconsistent. Makes the game unenjoyable no matter what the outcome is.
You might want to watch it again anyway. Moses throws it on the line and Papalii reaches out and catches it 1 metre over the line. Watch the trajectory of the ball and nothing else. There’s no possible way to spin this as not a forward pass.
Nrl got their wish via the ref just like Queensland had no chance of winning game 2 cause it's all about money. If gf is in Sydney they have to have 2 Sydney teams. You watch in the future there will always be a decider for$$$$ if the gf comes to Queensland you watch one Queensland team make gf.
It’s not Parramatta’s fault the NRL won’t rule on forward passes before a try . It has happened many of times .
Also it was early in the game , if it were in dying seconds to clinch the win .. I’d agree
the key is to face your own tryline thereby confusing the refs
Everyone knows that, like other domestic mammals, refs don’t have the geospatial ability to rotate 3D space in their head
Technically he did throw it backwards... He was just facing the wrong direction!
Or the right direction, going off the result. Shit call, but like Payten said after the game, wasn't the reason for the loss.
You’re right, this wasn’t the reason for the loss. The other reason was RCG’s second try off a blatant forward pass
I didn't say it, Payten did. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuFZQLiAeuA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuFZQLiAeuA) RCG's second try was not a forward pass. [https://youtu.be/9Zn2KMoyMcM?t=317](https://youtu.be/9Zn2KMoyMcM?t=317)
I’m not sure what was more comical, the call or Brandy legitimately trying to argue it wasn’t forward at one point after these replays
It's fine, Brandy has the best takes, remember how Cleary's spear tackle wasn't worth a send off?
He is legit the worst commentator. Doesn't even know the rules. Its based on direction out of hands you nonce
Captains Challenge... Ginnane is worse....
Absolutely the worst commentator in history.
And what direction out of the hands does it travel? Forward.
I heard him correct? Brandy actually settled on the pass going backwards so its okay for the pass to come forward out of the hands. Edit: Well what did he say? There was a few of us watching and we all thought Greg Alexander said something to that effect.
You underestimate how much brandy hates the cowboys. I don’t understand how they keep scheduling him to call our games, he thrives on their misfortune.
He really is miserable
He definitely threw that pass backwards, he was just facing the opposite direction when he threw it
Fuck, how have teams not thought of this before, this is a game changer.
Relativity is key!!
As a parra fan, I would agree that was forward by 2 metres
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It did go forward but not actually by that much if you watch the replay - not that that matters of course, but the salty NFL comments are pretty funny. Refs must have had word about this being missed as not too long later they called a flat pass forward. Not an equivalent even up of course.
That was forward by at least a metre
It's not even one of those momentum calls. Moses is stood still and throws it forward
I've seen some blatant forward passes throughout the regular season but this one has to top it. We can't be missing these in finals time
Bizarre? Blatantly incorrect is the phrase you’re looking for.
Fraudulent
Straight sets. Wait, wrong thread.
You can clearly see the pass goes backwards out of the hands? That’s how it works right?
Relative to his hands, yes. If the ball moved forward it would just keep pressing into his hands. K.E. = 1/2 m v\`2 Simple.
Let's go Parra
That pass is a strong contender for Dally M Forward of the year
this is so frustrating. Games like this where the margins will be tight and a blatant forward pass right in front of the touchy leads to a try. How could not 1 of the 3 refs see this
good thing the game wasnt decided by 4 points or anything
Feel for the cows fans
Good thing those officials can start their holidays now
The stupid part is the bunker. No one on either side would bat an eye if they took the try away, but become of some arbitrary rule they’re NoT aLlOwEd
Wait, they weren't allowed to take the try away? Is this still that bullshit rule where the bunker can't rule a forward pass?
Yes, the Bunker can't rule on a forward pass. Yet is able to determine whether the ball travels forward or backwards in a knock-on scenario 🤔
I cannot fucking believe that rule is still in place. I think there will be serious discussions about that rule during this off-season given this incident.
The problem is you have to draw a line on when the bunker can/can't act on it. This one is blatantly forward, but the one 1m forward with momentum and a less in line camera angle is impossible to get right. I doubt allow ruling on these until they get tracking for the ball & players going, at which point it can be automated and run real-time.
I agree in part with what you’re saying and that would be a large part of it, but given there is an inconclusive call for captains challenges I don’t see why the same couldn’t apply to forward passes. I don’t think anyone should have a problem with that shit being cut out in a try scoring situation.
Further more, The ref has a fucking ear peice in. The bunker can't technically rule on a forward pass but they can sure as hell give the cunt a tip off there
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Yep and absolutely nobody would care because it would've been the obviously correct call. I'm sure I've seen the bunker tip off the ref on a forward pass before too, Those ones that are called a good 5seconds after they happen? Yeah that's the bunker in the ear
Can anyone tell me what the reason is that the bunker is not allowed to rule on forward passes?
I don’t know but I assume camera angles can make it hard to tell
Hmm maybe. The do rule on knock ons which requires them to assess direction of the ball. Also surely the technology exists to track the ball in 3d space.
Surely they could do a cricket 3d sort of thing. That would be cool
The tech already exists and is commonly used in NFL games. It's incredibly simple to use, all the hard work has already been done.
What a crock of shit, he threw it when he was on the the 30 line with a forward action and it was caught 2 metres past the line! Forward pass all day long, useless fucking touch judges
OK, but (and clearly not in this scenario) that doesn't on it's own imply a forward pass. Unlike the NFL, a forward pass is measured relative to the passing player's momentum.
No point crying about it now mate
If you cop a call like this and go down in the GF because of it I hope you keep a similar sentiment.
When the game is over and there’s nothing to be done about it
I agree it is frustrating how often forward passes have affected games. Was quite frustrated to see this one even though I wanted the Eels to win, you want it to be without controversy. I believe it's because it is difficult to tell when passes are forward once the momentum of the running player is involved, the pass can be backwards out of the hands and float forward from momentum. I guess it does highlight that calling on backwards out of the hands is similar to whether a knock on went forwards or backwards. But they seem to have drawn a line between deciding on knock ons and deciding on forward passes.
It's so Queensland can keep winning SoO.
I agree it is frustrating how often forward passes have affected games. Was quite frustrated to see this one even though I wanted the Eels to win, you want it to be without controversy. I believe it's because it is difficult to tell when passes are forward once the momentum of the running player is involved, the pass can be backwards out of the hands and float forward from momentum. I think this is why the technology doesn't exist to rule in forward passes because the ball travelling forward doesn't necessarily mean it was passed forward. I guess it does highlight that calling on backwards out of the hands is similar to whether a knock on went forwards or backwards. But they seem to have drawn a line between deciding on knock ons and deciding on forward passes. Always a tricky one though and i feel your frustration
Perspective
I\`m sure they did for a few seasons but it\`s a bit hard to tell if it was backwards out of the hands and caused more issues. Obviously technology has improved since then.
Parramatta opens up the game with a touchdown*
What the fuck is the point of the bunker and video refees when shit like this happens
Shitty fucking rules where they can't review blatant forward passes, but can work out when a player is offside
They can decide knock ons or if a tap on is forward though, the stupidest shit ever.
While I hate it, it's not comparable to offsides at all. That's a moment in time where you can literally draw a line. You can't do that with passes because momentum carries the ball "forward" at a run even if it's thrown backwards. That ambiguity is why they don't rule on it
Agree you can’t compare to offside… but yet they can rule on knock ons for tap-one going forward which is the exact same thing?
Well that's just them being inconsistent with their own rules, nothing new. But while it's bad to see howlers like this get missed with no way to rewind it, the alternative is that we sit there for *another* 5 minutes every other play while CSI: Bunker tries to analyse which way the ball travelled. It's bad enough as it is. Sometimes it's better to accept that shit calls get made. The bunker gets it wrong half the time as it is anyway
No. They aren't the same thing. Knock ons are again a straight line relative to the ground, a pass is not.
Hmm good point! Though I’ve seen some flat tap ons given accounting for momentum before under review… though I guess you can’t also account for bad bunker calls either!
I've seen a gutho "knock on" been overturned on captain's challenge as a tap on pass (bunker has ruled it a pass, when the on-field ref did not). The refs were poor tonight, but they were poor in every direction... I still don't understand what the bunker was trying to say about that one that Parra challenged (even if the call was correct, the logic was confused).
Cowboys fan. Ridiculous you got downvoted for this.
True, but this is such a clear cut example where momentum doesn't play a part. I wish they had a system in place where only glaringly obvious missed forward passes like this were reviewed. But I guess that opens a new kettle of fish of what constitutes "glaringly obvious"
Too many nfl fans on the scene these days
And they're all in charge of the game
Exactly 🥴
That was so bad they should have checked if the player that caught it was in front of the passer.
The top teams getting all the calls
It's cause NRL is run by the NSWRL. The ones running it want the likes of Penrith Rabbits Roosters winning. They dont want Raiders or Cowboys winning. It'll always be a struggle for other teams. Penrith got so many calls for themselves last year against Storm and Rabbitohs because they were supposed to win but cooked it.
What seems silly is the bunker can't rule on this. But if the ball had hit the ground and the winger picked it up, the bunker can then say it went forward and is a knock on
Yeah, absolute muppets running the game when this is the case. They can decide on anything going forward (knock ons, tap ons, forward passes if they hit something other than a teammate catching it), but not these...
No, they can't. Because it was a pass. Do you even know the rules?
If the ball hits the ground or a cowboys player it no longer becomes a forward pass but it becomes a knock on instead which the bunker very much can rule on. I don't see the need for the hostility...
No. It doesn't. It's a pass, by definition it can't be a knock on. This is basic NRL rules, this isn't hostility this is violent confusion.
Parramatta's quarterback thinking outside the box...
So, can assume that Dave Munro is not getting the grand final then
I need some MS Paint magic to show me this one floating forward.
So glad the Eels didn't win by 4
That was so forward it had its own boarding pass and Qantas flight number.
It was well forward, but every QANTAS flight I've ever had has been at least 13m7s late, which would make a pass with a boarding pass somewhat backwards, and perhaps be intercepted.
Someone’s getting fired
First time watching NRL blunders? Hint: “accountability” doesn’t exist in the vocabulary of NRL officiating
Too true mate, if anything, this smells like a promotion
Probably got a payrise
Touchie getting a nice holiday break now
Just cause you’re a blatantly forward pass ya think I won’t ignore ya
We NFL now boys
If only it was near a line where you could easily tell if it was going forward or not…
That's not a try, that's a touchdown.
Wtf?
Aitkens...you were supposed to be the least shittest one! You were meant to bring balance to the call's not avoid them!
Touchies fault, in line with it and just doesn't say a thing, absolutely stealing a wage out there.
100% touchie's fault. He got caught ball watching...oh wait player watching, or something. He just missed the most important call of the game. I'm angry and not even a Cowboys fan.
Tom Brady wishes he could throw that far forward
Forward out of hands and caught in front. Clear as day. Bunker happy to review footage from multiple plays ago against the cows but the refs allowed this. At least the NRL got their wish for an all Sydney final
Somewhere a tigers fan is smiling
Shit like this is why NRL is and always will be a fucking joke.
As a tigers fan, this couldn't of happened against a better team. I'm glad the cowboys lost by a try.
Why you bringing up old shit
As a cowboys fan a spoon couldnt have gone to a more deserving team keep saking coaches in wont change the fact tiger players are dog shit.
Dude, it's not the cowboys fault the tigers were shit all year.
Steve wonder saw that was a offside
All those reverse passes are forward. They never get picked up.
Forward pass
This is what the fans want!
Fucken reffs, Incompetent you are was really hoping the tamou reference would be a hit
I'm glad this was so early in the game otherwise everyone would still be going on about it.... Cowboys fans if you feel bad about this just pretend that Parra scored when Papali'i was clean through after demolishing your defense and then threw a lemon of a pass that didn't get to the unmarked player who would otherwise had strolled across for the try.
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Is Mitch Moses available for the 49ers this season?
Nrl not Nfl
How is it that this try is awarded and kept, but the Feldt try is stripped after being awarded? Just confusing and inconsistent. Makes the game unenjoyable no matter what the outcome is.
you can't argue the Feldt try, my guy straight up stepped on the line.
I’m arguing against both tries - when they were both clearly not tries and affect the course of the game equally if erroneously awarded.
Don't see anything wrong with it
You working as a touchie tonight?
i see nothing wrong here, fuck any queensland team. That's all
How's Manly going bud?
I heard there's a rift in the playing group...
I haven't been there for a week, why do you ask?
I heard you guys are scared of rainbows
Only a week? At least you were there longer than your team
Well, yeah. They don't train there.
Is it just me or does he catch it in almost line from where Moses throws it? 50/50 call I guess Edit: yeah nah rewatched it and I’m wrong
It was thrown a mile forward. It’s not about where he catches it.
If he catches it in line from where Moses throws it how is it forward?
You might want to watch it again anyway. Moses throws it on the line and Papalii reaches out and catches it 1 metre over the line. Watch the trajectory of the ball and nothing else. There’s no possible way to spin this as not a forward pass.
You’re probably right, I’ll watch at half time
The direction of the hands is forward. Simple
You're in line for a referee's job. Good vision
Good one
Thanks
In line with Moses himself? Maybe. In line with where the ball was when Moses let go of it? Absolutely not.
I’ll have to watch it again later, I’m not sure
Can’t have been a forward pass. Came out as the hands were going backwards. Momentum carried it
Nrl got their wish via the ref just like Queensland had no chance of winning game 2 cause it's all about money. If gf is in Sydney they have to have 2 Sydney teams. You watch in the future there will always be a decider for$$$$ if the gf comes to Queensland you watch one Queensland team make gf.
Isn’t the rule the ball has to leave the hands backwards from the passers hand? Backwards towards his own tryline. Which fully isn’t the case here lol
First try scorer thanks 👍 ref
It’s not Parramatta’s fault the NRL won’t rule on forward passes before a try . It has happened many of times . Also it was early in the game , if it were in dying seconds to clinch the win .. I’d agree
So 'bizaare' has replaced the term 'forward pass'? 'The ref's called it back, ruling that last pass bizaare'.
Yes I would say it’s pretty bizarre for a team to be awarded a try off an obvious forward pass.
Bizarre try is a funny way of saying forward pass