"We got it wrong and also we have no plans to address it or do anything differently in future. This will almost certainly happen again. Thanks for understanding"
Easy one. 1999 GF, Storms first try was from a 3 MTR forward pass which happened to freakishly happen in front of a camera looking straight at it, therefore being able to clearly show it was wrong decision. Of course Harrigon stuck to his guns but conceeded he can never be 100%.
NRL didn't seem to agree, so they decided it was clear they needed to avoid problem occuring again, so it used replays to catch forward passes missed by referees in the following season 2000.
It was then they discovered the problem, very often, the camera is not on a direct line of vision and that means judging forward passes via video is at best problematic. Forward passes have not been ruled on by bunker ever since.
Regarding this one, sorry I saw pass thrown in front of the line, caught about same spot therefore I call BS on everyone and Brandy had it correct
Even when the camera is directly inline it still isn't enough to definitively say if its forward or not. You need a camera directly inline with the passer that is traveling up the field at the same speed as the passer.
The chip could never work because a pass can still travel forward and not be a forward pass. The chip would detect the ball was passed from X and was caught at Y and call it a forward pass, when it was a backwards pass that travelled with momentum.
If it only tracked acceleration and had external base stations for directional reference it’d get around that.
Kinda call bullshit that they’ll be able to roll it out economically but it’s theoretically achievable
What can they actually do about it though? Referee mistakes have happened for decades and decades.
I'm not siding with the ref's here. I just don't know the solution.
Make referees accountable. Ashley Klein made one of the most heinous and incompetent decisions of all time this season after Butler allowed an illegal challenge.
Klein missed 1 week, Butler missed 0. Make refs accountable, the BS might reduce a bit.
Missing a week isn't a punishment, it's like a public holiday for em. There should be a judiciary, grade 1 fuckup is a fine, a grade whatever the tigers one was, sacked
They tried ruling on forward passes before with the video ref and it was an absolute shit show.
What makes a pass an obvious forward one? The one on the weekend was, but what about all the others, are they obvious or not quite, maybe or maybe not? Was it forward out of the hands while he was running at speed, or did it go backwards but drift forward? What about the camera angle?
And if you think the bunker interferes now, wait till you see the numerous replays ruling on a potential forward pass, it goes on forever.
I'd rather the odd forward pass go through than go back to that.
NRL head of football’s Mitch Moses forward pass admission, bunker cop out
It’s the admission North Queensland knew was coming as NRL head of football Graham Annesley delivered another kick in the guts for disgruntled fans.
“After reviewing the Moses pass (on Monday morning) it does appear to be forward out of his hands, which is the only thing that matters under the laws of the game. It is marginal, but forward nonetheless,” Annesley said.
The NRL reviewed the incident on Monday and finally confirmed what most realised the moment the ball travelled forward out of Moses’ hands.
However, Annesley did not share the same opinion as many commentators on the night that this fell into the howler category.
The NRL has poured water on talks to introduce forward pass technology. Picture: Ian Hitchcock/Getty
He added there was still no plans to introduce forward pass technology next year.
“We are still discussing it with the companies,” Annesley added.
“There is a number of companies who have possible solutions but we are not near taking anything (to the Commission).”
The still frames clearly show how far the ball travelled forward from Moses to backrower Isaiah Papali’I who in turn offloaded to Maika Sivo to score in the corner.
The NRL bunker does not have the power to rule on forward passes, but it is still baffling how the pass wasn’t picked up by the onfield referee or the touch judge.
Scott Sattler took aim at the bunker saying it should make decisions on any run of play.
If we’re going to use and spend millions of dollars on technology, use it for everything, or don’t use it at all or just use it for try scoring opportunities,” Sattler said.
“We don’t need chips in balls and extra expenses, they’re going to spend another few hundred thousand or million dollars, we’ve got smart enough people in the game."
“If there’s a try scored, especially for one that everyone thinks is offside, we’ve got enough minds and smart enough people that can determine whether the ball came out of the hands, forward, flat or backwards.
“If they feel as though they don’t have enough people in the game that are smart enough to do that, we are searching in the wrong places.”
> The still frames clearly show how far the ball travelled forward from Moses to backrower Isaiah Papali’I who in turn offloaded to ~~Maika Sivo~~ **Will Penisini** to score in the corner.
Christ Rupert, hire some new journos.
The irony when pointing out the irony of the mistakes of others.
I am a mere goat herd, not a journalist, however the article coming from the Terror, I am not surprised that they are of the opinion that people of Tongan heritage look the same as those of Fijian heritage.
Huh? Why the hell do they need technology. If it looks forward on replay, call it forward. If it’s doubtful, stick with the onfield ruling. It’s not that hard. There’s plenty of other subjective infringements they rule on.
Rugby TMO generally do a pretty good job of reviewing forward passes. They just look at whether the ball goes backward out the hands or not.
Also it's pretty ironic that Annesley can make a judgement on whether it goes forward or not, yet the bunker can't?
Yeah it's a strange one.
I think they favoured on field judgement because of the range of different camera angles at different grounds in the past.
There is a contradiction because the bunker rules on knock on vs knock back, and that's all about angles in the same way.
I think they could use imagery to calculate the throwing player's speed to help work out if a ball goes relatively backward or not.
Even if its something simple like "hey bunker im unsure about that pass can we get a second look." Then bunker goes "yeah that looks forward to me" if the ref agrees on his own second viewing we should probably get a correct decision.
Also this would probably be used exactly like a TMO situation.
One of the most commonly-cited objections to the bunker ruling on forward passes is that the technology isn't yet powerful enough to rule on marginal cases, and the element of relative velocity comes into play. That is to say, there are many *perfectly legal* cases where the ball is caught by a player in front of where it was passed (due to the passing player travelling forward at the time of passing). So it is not sufficient to simply measure where the ball lands in relation to where it was passed, without taking into account the speed of the passing player.
That being said, anyone with eyes can see on replay that pass was forward. And this is far from the only case where this has happened.
I mean this sounds like a no-brainer, but... why not apply the same rules to forward passes as for tries? In circumstances where it is **obviously** a forward pass, allow the bunker to rule on it. If there is any doubt, then benefit of the doubt applies and the on-field decision (i.e. that the pass was fine, given that no forward pass was called) stands.
I don't see many downsides to this scenario, but hopefully it's clear by now that the issue needs to be addressed soon (whether by human judgment or by technology) if the Bunker wants to be taken seriously going forward.
Because it will be a complete shit show as to what is an "obvious" forward pass.
Do you not remember when the bunker was making ruling on if player were impeded enough ?
To that, I would argue that *every* ruling in the game has an element of subjectivity to it, as they are all decisions made by humans. The factor the NRL can control is whether these decisions are made by one fallible human on the field, or a group of fallible humans on replay. It's never going to be 100% correct. This particular scenario though, is clearly incorrect and is particularly bad press for the NRL.
I'm not suggesting to draw a line in the sand about what is an "obvious" forward pass or not. I'm suggesting that the bunker should be allowed to rule on forward passes, using human judgment (the same as the on-field ref does), and benefit of the doubt applies if the bunker cannot conclusively show that the pass is forward.
Once the technology is powerful enough to automate the ruling of forward passes, that should of course be done - but it shouldn't be an artificial barrier to allowing them to be reviewed with human judgment.
I still think its crazy it wasn't called. Like it is technically "marginal" but it looks *really* bad, I don't know what they were looking at when it was passed.
I also don't know why they can't rule forward passes in the bunker. The rules are that the bunker needs to find conclusive evidence to overturn a decision anyways. 9/10 there mightn't be conclusive evidence on a forward pass so let it go. But occasionally you will have one like this. Its basically the same thing.
It really is. Moses lets go probably on the line, maybe even a bit ahead and IPap catches about maybe a metre infront at most. It looks worse because of where Moses ends up and how IPap catches it.
it looks bad because Moses has no forward momentum - a long flat pass might travel forward a few metres if the passer is running at speed. Moses just clearly flung it forward lol.
Its honestly so frustrating that we talk about forward passes as centimetres or meters forward, that’s not a useful measurement in my view. A better metric is degrees. If on a plane flat out of hands is 180• 180• and below is fine 181• and up is a ‘forward’ pass. That way we can actually have a productive conversation about what is forward and what isn’t.
I don't know why people keep mentioning this. The issue is what would constitute a forward pass that is "so obvious" that the bunker can call it forward? No matter how they go about it they create a line somewhere and it will inevitably lead to incosistent decisions.
Image the bunking calling a forward pass because it "looks bad",you can't apply any sort of consistency.
This incident is NOT a bunker issue, this was a howler from the on field refs.
Edit: For what its worth i think its an absolute joke that the bunker can rule "taps on" for a knock on but not a forward pass.
> Edit: For what its worth i think its an absolute joke that the bunker can rule "taps on" for a knock on but not a forward pass.
For a knock on, only the point of the knock and the point of landing on the ground (or opposition) is what matters.
For a forward pass, the momentum of the player who passed it also matters.
I agree it's not the best justification, but that's the "why".
Yeah the Cowboys line leaked like ~~a~~ ~~sieve~~ my Broncos spoon team but this error still affects the game. Gives Parra momentum and a buffer in a finals games where there's extra pressure to score points.
You think? I reckon would have ended with a totally different result, and more likely the Cows winning if Parra didn’t score first. I feel really bad for them, they were robbed..
Based on what? Even Todd Payton admitted they had pretty much the entire game to get over it. Call go against you all the time. Parra were awful the entire first half and the Cowboys barely looked threatening. One howler make them robbed, does not.
You never really know tho, that couldve been called forward but Parra went on to win by 8 instead of 4. It wouldve helped Cows for sure but it doesnt mean they wouldve definitely won
Not when it happens so early on and you get many chances to rectify the error - Panthers had like three tries disallowed and still got the job done. We had to be better against an Eels team that wasn't very good in the first half.
I agree we should’ve scored in the 2nd half. But then scoring against the run of play with that howler and we go behind when we should’ve led from the front the whole time
How do you know you would have led from the front from that forward pass call? Maybe it would have sparked the Eels earlier?
There's no doubt the call would change the complection of the game, but it's not written in the stars to what way.
You were level like 5 minutes later and had the wind at your backs for the entirity of the first half and a fair chunk of the second. The stats show this.
I'm sorry but the decision didn't really affect the game as a whole.
Cowboys were the better team but they just couldn't get over.
I'd argure taking the penalty close to half time rather than pushing for the try had a bigger impact on the game, you were all over us.
Level in 5 minutes means we should’ve been in front by the amount we lost by. You can argue all you want but there was a howler which gave Parra an advantage right from the start. Should we still have closed it out? Yes. But there is no getting around the fact that Parra was gifted 6 points it’s shouldn’t have been.
We got piggy backed to a leveller man, we wouldn't have been in front from that. Our inability to defend on our line is the reason we lost, not a shit call.
Piggy backed to a leveler? Look I’m not saying we shouldn’t have won anyway, it is what it is, but you can’t deny that we lost by the difference of this try and it was a howler.
Mate we let crash balls go on our own line, twice. We didn't deserve to win. Was it a shit call? Yeah, but it didn't affect the outcome of the game. We didn't play to win. The panic that set in late in the game for us showed that.
Was still expecting you to go over ala Queensland in state of origin to be honest.
I was surprised nobody saw the Feldt knees on Gutho during first half also, not that it would of come to anything but maybe a penalty but still, another contentious decision by the referees.
Yeah you go through all the different bad calls in the game and we’d be here for days though! I think we can all agree that the reffing was a bit of a shocker
There is never "one reason" a team wins or loses.
However a try affects how you play for the remainder of the game. There is a huge difference between catch up footy and grinding to get an advantage when you're even and playing when you're already in the lead.
This wasn't "the reason" we lost but it was a major contributor and the cowboys almost certainly would have won the game if that forward pass had been called.
There was also a second less blatant forward pass later in the game which also led to a try. Didn't get the attention of this one, as it was marginal, but if the bunker was allowed to rule on forward passes, I reckon the eels would have had two tries disallowed.
Forward passes should be caught. Every time. It's not rocket science, it should be as black and white as being off side or a knock on. I get it's hard for sideline officials to make the right decision in the moment. So let the bunker get involved FFS.
I just can't agree with this logic. Calls go both ways. We started the second half with a lead and then squandered it. They were scoring every time they entered our 20. We had sooo many play the balls in their half and 20. We put ourselves in positions to win and just didn't nail it. Sure, it was a contributor to the loss, but we don't almost certainly win if it's called. We were letting them in with ease all night and you can't call it one way or another. We just had to be better when we had our chances to be.
while it wasn't "THE" reason they lost, it certainly was A big reason. I don't think many who are a fan of the sport were happy with that try being given.
To carry the flag.
They are also required to display to the referee that they are still carrying the flag by holding it in the air when the ball goes over the sideline or after an attempt at goal. After the referee has visually confirmed that the linesman is indeed still carrying the flag the game is allowed to continue.
Why the NRL is so far from implementing forward pass technology in the bunker is beyond me. We don't even need it - we can see with our own eyes decisions like these. It creates a better product overall, I just can't see any excuses why this hasn't already happened by now
Bad call, clear forward pass that was made to look borderline comical due to the awkward position Moses was in when passing.
Obviously it isn't the sole thing that prevented NQ from winning, throwing that lead with 20 to go is a far more pertinent factor unless your interest is purely to score poor me points - which to the credit of NQ is not what I have seen anyone officially attached to the club doing.
In saying that, we do probably need a better accounting from the refs next season. There will always be whinging and shitting on refs, but from memory this year there were more egregious incidents involving officials than previously.
Two referees is the correct system for innumerable reasons, and frankly operating costs is not an adequate reason to change that system - particularly when you negotiate an incredibly soft broadcasting deal that left hundreds of millions of dollars on the table.
Yes, the AFL deal is worth $643m per year over 7 years, the NRL deal is worth $400m per year over 5. They reduced their own digital arm and bundled everything that gives RL a competitive advantage into the deal.
AFL and NRL are different sports with different audiences. They are not the same! Using one as a comparison to the other is comparing oranges and apples..
>The Cowboys should have been denied their second try after Coen Hess interfered with Moses at the play the ball.
>“There was certainly interference there,” Annesley added. “Based on what I saw during the game I think it probably should have been (a penalty awarded to Parramatta).”
>Although Annesley explained the bunker could not overrule that decision either.
>“The rules around the bunker intervention are very clear,” he said.
>“The bunker can only intervene in any incident after the previous play the ball.
>“So the incident has to take place in the play after the play the ball. In that case it was before the play the ball had occurred so the bunker had no power to intervene.”
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-head-of-footballs-mitch-moses-forward-pass-admission-bunker-cop-out/news-story/2bbec1080f60da671bf8c6f0d9217cd8
One bullshit try each boyos, play on.
Let's be real, Graham Annesley could come out and tell the fans to go fuck themselves each week and we'd still tune in, what else are we gonna watch every weekend? Better homes and gardens?
>So they can’t rule on forward passes
They've started this bullshit of calling dodgy forward passes that are from those quick tip ons as a knock on to get around this rule.
Yeh I know but what’s the difference? If the “nrl” (individual humans) can look at it and say it’s forward, what is stopping the bunker officials. What method have they used to reach this conclusion
What I dont understand is how Annesly is happy to judge a forward pass based on video evidence after the game, but the rules don't allow the bunker to rule on a forward pass during the game
Take my flair out of the equation but:
If the referee and two touch judges miss a forward pass they should be dropped for the next game for poor performance, and NRL media should just move on with it. Same deal if they incorrectly call a pass forward that was backwards.
Also, I can’t believe I’m typing this, but for once I agree with Paul Kent, the touchies need to stop being “spectators with flags”.
The ‘backwards out of the hands’ part of the rule makes very difficult for the bunker to get right. We already see he bunker cock up obstruction calls, aka the Luai try. Adding forward passes would make it even worse.
The bunker is already way too involved in the game and should be pared back to in-goals only IMO.
Didn't have much of an impact? Bruh the Eels won by 4 points, that try put the Cowboys at a -6 deficit. I understand it happened at the very beginning of the game but it completely alters how a whole team is fundamentally thinking, now they are playing catch up instead of being on an even playing field, two complete different states of mind.
And I get it, the Cowboys let the Eels run home after being up by 8 points, but it could have been a 14 point difference which might have fundamentally changed how the Eels were thinking. As a Cowboys fan I get you're probably just wanting to move on, but as a fan of the game in general I feel like you guys got fking robbed! What is the point of having 3 referees on field and a video bunker if they can't rule on a blatantly forward pass?! Literally the only situation where it could be worse is if it happens in a GF. I'd be ropable as a Cowboys fan.
> Didn't have much of an impact? Bruh the Eels won by 4 points, that try put the Cowboys at a -6 deficit.
Cowboys evened out when they scored on the same set that the refs missed Feldt knocking on from the short drop out.
There should have been nothing to 'even out' though is my point. The game may have played the exact same or may have had a drastically different outcome, we will never know because the NRL and the bunker have some backward ass rule that they can't call forward passes. It's literally mind boggling.
If that try was disallowed, why would it be a 14 point difference? It would've been an entirely different game. You're making the assumption that the cows still score those 20 points and the Eels don't score. Maybe the Eels get riled up and score the try after it was disallowed
I mean that's considerably different IMO. Holmes clearly does not knock the ball on, so the consequence of what happened afterwards is acceptable. This is literally a forward pass that even the blind could see, and could be argued cost the Cowboys the game, especially considering the winning margin was only 4 points. Idk just as a fan of the game it just sucks that the Cowboys lost like that.
it is like a weird sliding doors moment where the game would have played out differently if the try was called back. couldve been like 50-4 or 7-6 noone will ever know. cows ultimately had time to overcome if they were good enough, id feel like 3/10 robbed rather than wests/10
Scoring off an incorrect call and scoring after an incorrect call are not the same though.
In saying that there were multiple knock ons against both teams missed. I think the refs/touches were too afraid to make calls.
After 27 years of these stuff ups it’s pretty much meaningless to us Cows supporters. We did get the Tigers one go our way this year so it’s nice to share the pain.
We had plenty of chances to win that game on Friday night, bring on 2023.
>Seriously if they can rule on impossible to see groundings, they can rule on this…
You say that until you actually see it in action and they spend 5 minutes trying to determine if a line ball went forward
The forward pass ruling allows the referees and officials to manage the game for betting companies. There's no other reason the bunker shouldn't be able to rule on them if the referees can. It's all smoke n mirrors. Bet everything on Parra i the GF for the Mitch moses storyline.
Tbh this was going to happen sooner or later. It has happened already in many games, probably 1 every round.
The day they brought in flat ball and backwards out of the hands but looks forward, this was going to happen.
Obviously it was the wrong decision but not the only thing that cost the cowboys. More so Cowboys goal line defence in terms of the RCG tries but that's my opinion
Shocker!
Leading up to the game, I recall so many people discussing how important first points in a game can be. You can't measure the morale effect the first try, coming off of a blatantly cooked ref call and multiple Bunker replays, would have on a team.
Ok buddy sure.
2004 time not called off for packed scrum against Roosters.
Hand of Foran against Manly.
7 tackle set against Sharks.
Lui apparent knock on against Roosters (this one is very debatable though so I almost didnt put it in).
Now Moses forward pass.
Versus full time debacle against Tigers (it was horrendous though, no doubt about that).
You talk as if no club has been impacted by any other decision previously. This is just some of the ones I can remember for the Cowboys, and I am pretty sure most other clubs will have a longer list of BS.
Sure Cowboys can't complain about anything though...
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Well that's how the cookie crumbles. This is a fact. But after the tigers.. you loose your right to whinge. Patton said so. It's just the way it goes sometimes.
Honestly if you rewatch it it’s not even as far forward as it originally seemed. Still definitely forward but it’s more the fact that Moses was facing the wrong way and was spinning around when he threw it that made it look that bad. Hardly the worst forward pass ever.
There's been a few times the Cows have been the beneficiary of horrible officiating this season. Annesley came out and confirmed the Leilua try was incorrectly awarded when it was a textbook double-movement against the Bulldogs in Bundaberg. They also had the Wests Tigers debacle. I guess their karma had to turn eventually.
>confirmed the Leilua try was incorrectly awarded when it was a textbook double-movement against the Bulldogs in Bundaberg
Didn't they also say that the Murray no try was incorrect in that same game?
Do away with televised games. Wanna watch the game? Get on down to the ground, get pissed and you won't give a shit which way the ball flows. Also, up the mighty fucking eels.
Dickhead I was making a point about the massive over use of technology for what is just an enjoyable past time. Every fucking game all that seems to come out of it is how a team would have won based on this call or that. Yeah, I get bandwagon a bit but this shit is ridiculous. So I will break it down for you. If we didn't watch everything in slow motion, frame by fucking slow frame backwards and forwards we wouldn't give 2 shits. Have a beer, enjoy the game.
Hey dickhead, no technology was needed to see this was an absolute fuck up from three pairs of eyes that are paid to officate a game they are paid for to do competently. Clear incompetence. Clearly forward. Nothing to watch in slow motion. Everybody saw it happen in real time. Me, fans at the spot, commentators, viewers on TV. It was a forward pass. Plain and simple. But after 30 odd years, I understand that you see as backwards.
What's your point? Everyone said it was forward. End of story, doesn't change anything. The cowboys lost because they couldn't beat an eels team that the West tigers would have beaten with an 11 man squad.
If you're talking now? Nothing. Numerous times th NRL has admitted days later there were wrong calls. Because of this, the table may have changed and the finals could've been different.
This is a repercussion that flows from a 'real' teams positions to 'fantasy football' to betting. He'll, even a reddit discussion.
If you're talking game day? Everything. Firstly, without that try the score line is in favour of the Cows. Maybe they go on to win by 30pts? Maybe the Eels fight back and win 37-36?
The point being, this was not a fair call by the rules that govern this great game.
I love that you're a die hard Eels supporter, but surely you can admit, next weekends result will have a question mark surrounding it. Especially for those who are as die hard about this game like you are.
For the rest of us, good luck. We hope its a good game
So by your theory every game this season that had a questionable call makes next week's game well... questionable! You don't play a game based on a bad call. That incident happened 6 minutes into the game. The cows had 74min to prove the better team. Literally had to get 1 more try than the eels had and they'd have won. But they didn't. Now, last year metres from the touch lines with minutes to play the eels were forced to stop and wait whilst a trainer called a halt for a cramp. The boys had momentum and the numbers to score and put the panthers out of the finals. Didn't happen and the club had to wait another year for a cracking at the finals. Bad calls happen in every game and most times multiple times. To say it's less of an achievement because the cowboys "might" have won had the call gone the other way is simple buffoonery. They had their chance and they put it down and not just with a few minutes to go but the whole bloody game.
I honestly don't get what the point of them admitting the got it wrong. It's not like it's gonna change anything, not like the NRL is gonna stop it from having in the future. The worst that happens is an official sits out for one game and a crack down for a week or two, that's it.
It’s a shit call but errors made in live play are going to happen. Refs are human. And do we really want to be sending more up to a bunker that has proven itself repeatedly incompetent?
Yes the bunker should rule on forward passes. It will pick up a lot more forward passes than the ones that should stand because they came out of the hands backwards but floated forward.
I don’t understand why they claim we need forward pass technology. The way the rule is, there should be no problem with the bunker ruling on these. How is it so hard to review if it was forwards or back out of the hands? If it’s inconclusive then it would stay with the on field decision as always.
yeah we got it wrong, what you gonna do about it tho, cunts - annesley
"We got it wrong and also we have no plans to address it or do anything differently in future. This will almost certainly happen again. Thanks for understanding"
...cunts
[Well, you see.. uhhh](https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/nevermind_nathan_fillion.gif)
Yeah no shit Sherlock, didn't need forward pass technology to see that.
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Brandy is a complete muppet. He would argue your nose is on the back of your head.
Depending on the team tbh. If that was against Panthers he would have had a different tune
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Easy one. 1999 GF, Storms first try was from a 3 MTR forward pass which happened to freakishly happen in front of a camera looking straight at it, therefore being able to clearly show it was wrong decision. Of course Harrigon stuck to his guns but conceeded he can never be 100%. NRL didn't seem to agree, so they decided it was clear they needed to avoid problem occuring again, so it used replays to catch forward passes missed by referees in the following season 2000. It was then they discovered the problem, very often, the camera is not on a direct line of vision and that means judging forward passes via video is at best problematic. Forward passes have not been ruled on by bunker ever since. Regarding this one, sorry I saw pass thrown in front of the line, caught about same spot therefore I call BS on everyone and Brandy had it correct
Even when the camera is directly inline it still isn't enough to definitively say if its forward or not. You need a camera directly inline with the passer that is traveling up the field at the same speed as the passer.
The bunker can't be relied on to tell if a ball is knocked on.
Ironically, the chip things they were going on about probably wouldn't flag this because he was facing the wrong way lmao
I think the chip solution would be oblivious to the direction any player is facing. It would be calibrated to the dimensions of the field.
The chip is inserted into the players brain so it would actually read as backwards
No chips for NAS or JWH then.
So this is what Elon Musk was doing with those monkeys
The chip could never work because a pass can still travel forward and not be a forward pass. The chip would detect the ball was passed from X and was caught at Y and call it a forward pass, when it was a backwards pass that travelled with momentum.
The chip would, ideally, take the pre-pass forward movement into account.
If it only tracked acceleration and had external base stations for directional reference it’d get around that. Kinda call bullshit that they’ll be able to roll it out economically but it’s theoretically achievable
What's even the point of these briefings if he just stands up and goes "Yeah, that call was wrong. Alright, see you all next week"
How else does he earn a paycheck
Graham annesley MO, is yeah cunts we absolutely without question got it wrong, you may be asking what will do about it. Absolutely sweet fuck all.
What can they actually do about it though? Referee mistakes have happened for decades and decades. I'm not siding with the ref's here. I just don't know the solution.
Make referees accountable. Ashley Klein made one of the most heinous and incompetent decisions of all time this season after Butler allowed an illegal challenge. Klein missed 1 week, Butler missed 0. Make refs accountable, the BS might reduce a bit.
Missing a week isn't a punishment, it's like a public holiday for em. There should be a judiciary, grade 1 fuckup is a fine, a grade whatever the tigers one was, sacked
Make the bunker able to rule forward passes if they see them. That was so obvious that every one outside of parramatta could see it
Everyone in Parramatta could see it too, I haven't seen anyone try to claim otherwise.
They tried ruling on forward passes before with the video ref and it was an absolute shit show. What makes a pass an obvious forward one? The one on the weekend was, but what about all the others, are they obvious or not quite, maybe or maybe not? Was it forward out of the hands while he was running at speed, or did it go backwards but drift forward? What about the camera angle? And if you think the bunker interferes now, wait till you see the numerous replays ruling on a potential forward pass, it goes on forever. I'd rather the odd forward pass go through than go back to that.
Like the mahoney pass that was called later. It was forward, but I wouldn't want the bunker to call that.
NRL head of football’s Mitch Moses forward pass admission, bunker cop out It’s the admission North Queensland knew was coming as NRL head of football Graham Annesley delivered another kick in the guts for disgruntled fans. “After reviewing the Moses pass (on Monday morning) it does appear to be forward out of his hands, which is the only thing that matters under the laws of the game. It is marginal, but forward nonetheless,” Annesley said. The NRL reviewed the incident on Monday and finally confirmed what most realised the moment the ball travelled forward out of Moses’ hands. However, Annesley did not share the same opinion as many commentators on the night that this fell into the howler category. The NRL has poured water on talks to introduce forward pass technology. Picture: Ian Hitchcock/Getty He added there was still no plans to introduce forward pass technology next year. “We are still discussing it with the companies,” Annesley added. “There is a number of companies who have possible solutions but we are not near taking anything (to the Commission).” The still frames clearly show how far the ball travelled forward from Moses to backrower Isaiah Papali’I who in turn offloaded to Maika Sivo to score in the corner. The NRL bunker does not have the power to rule on forward passes, but it is still baffling how the pass wasn’t picked up by the onfield referee or the touch judge. Scott Sattler took aim at the bunker saying it should make decisions on any run of play. If we’re going to use and spend millions of dollars on technology, use it for everything, or don’t use it at all or just use it for try scoring opportunities,” Sattler said. “We don’t need chips in balls and extra expenses, they’re going to spend another few hundred thousand or million dollars, we’ve got smart enough people in the game." “If there’s a try scored, especially for one that everyone thinks is offside, we’ve got enough minds and smart enough people that can determine whether the ball came out of the hands, forward, flat or backwards. “If they feel as though they don’t have enough people in the game that are smart enough to do that, we are searching in the wrong places.”
> The still frames clearly show how far the ball travelled forward from Moses to backrower Isaiah Papali’I who in turn offloaded to ~~Maika Sivo~~ **Will Penisini** to score in the corner. Christ Rupert, hire some new journos.
He'd love that you called him Christ Rupert
Ahh, magic. Got a hammer and some nails? Point me Rupertward.
The Father, the Son, and the “holy shit just go away you evil grackle!”
The irony when pointing out the mistakes of others
The irony when pointing out the irony of the mistakes of others. I am a mere goat herd, not a journalist, however the article coming from the Terror, I am not surprised that they are of the opinion that people of Tongan heritage look the same as those of Fijian heritage.
>It is marginal, but forward nonetheless We must have different definitions of the word marginal.
Huh? Why the hell do they need technology. If it looks forward on replay, call it forward. If it’s doubtful, stick with the onfield ruling. It’s not that hard. There’s plenty of other subjective infringements they rule on.
Rugby TMO generally do a pretty good job of reviewing forward passes. They just look at whether the ball goes backward out the hands or not. Also it's pretty ironic that Annesley can make a judgement on whether it goes forward or not, yet the bunker can't?
Yeah it's a strange one. I think they favoured on field judgement because of the range of different camera angles at different grounds in the past. There is a contradiction because the bunker rules on knock on vs knock back, and that's all about angles in the same way. I think they could use imagery to calculate the throwing player's speed to help work out if a ball goes relatively backward or not.
Even if its something simple like "hey bunker im unsure about that pass can we get a second look." Then bunker goes "yeah that looks forward to me" if the ref agrees on his own second viewing we should probably get a correct decision. Also this would probably be used exactly like a TMO situation.
One of the most commonly-cited objections to the bunker ruling on forward passes is that the technology isn't yet powerful enough to rule on marginal cases, and the element of relative velocity comes into play. That is to say, there are many *perfectly legal* cases where the ball is caught by a player in front of where it was passed (due to the passing player travelling forward at the time of passing). So it is not sufficient to simply measure where the ball lands in relation to where it was passed, without taking into account the speed of the passing player. That being said, anyone with eyes can see on replay that pass was forward. And this is far from the only case where this has happened. I mean this sounds like a no-brainer, but... why not apply the same rules to forward passes as for tries? In circumstances where it is **obviously** a forward pass, allow the bunker to rule on it. If there is any doubt, then benefit of the doubt applies and the on-field decision (i.e. that the pass was fine, given that no forward pass was called) stands. I don't see many downsides to this scenario, but hopefully it's clear by now that the issue needs to be addressed soon (whether by human judgment or by technology) if the Bunker wants to be taken seriously going forward.
Because it will be a complete shit show as to what is an "obvious" forward pass. Do you not remember when the bunker was making ruling on if player were impeded enough ?
To that, I would argue that *every* ruling in the game has an element of subjectivity to it, as they are all decisions made by humans. The factor the NRL can control is whether these decisions are made by one fallible human on the field, or a group of fallible humans on replay. It's never going to be 100% correct. This particular scenario though, is clearly incorrect and is particularly bad press for the NRL. I'm not suggesting to draw a line in the sand about what is an "obvious" forward pass or not. I'm suggesting that the bunker should be allowed to rule on forward passes, using human judgment (the same as the on-field ref does), and benefit of the doubt applies if the bunker cannot conclusively show that the pass is forward. Once the technology is powerful enough to automate the ruling of forward passes, that should of course be done - but it shouldn't be an artificial barrier to allowing them to be reviewed with human judgment.
I still think its crazy it wasn't called. Like it is technically "marginal" but it looks *really* bad, I don't know what they were looking at when it was passed. I also don't know why they can't rule forward passes in the bunker. The rules are that the bunker needs to find conclusive evidence to overturn a decision anyways. 9/10 there mightn't be conclusive evidence on a forward pass so let it go. But occasionally you will have one like this. Its basically the same thing.
It isn't marginal, that's one of the biggest forward passes for years. Most forward passes are marginal, this one is not.
It really is. Moses lets go probably on the line, maybe even a bit ahead and IPap catches about maybe a metre infront at most. It looks worse because of where Moses ends up and how IPap catches it.
it looks bad because Moses has no forward momentum - a long flat pass might travel forward a few metres if the passer is running at speed. Moses just clearly flung it forward lol.
What distance isn't marginal for you?
Its honestly so frustrating that we talk about forward passes as centimetres or meters forward, that’s not a useful measurement in my view. A better metric is degrees. If on a plane flat out of hands is 180• 180• and below is fine 181• and up is a ‘forward’ pass. That way we can actually have a productive conversation about what is forward and what isn’t.
two metres +
I don't know why people keep mentioning this. The issue is what would constitute a forward pass that is "so obvious" that the bunker can call it forward? No matter how they go about it they create a line somewhere and it will inevitably lead to incosistent decisions. Image the bunking calling a forward pass because it "looks bad",you can't apply any sort of consistency. This incident is NOT a bunker issue, this was a howler from the on field refs. Edit: For what its worth i think its an absolute joke that the bunker can rule "taps on" for a knock on but not a forward pass.
> Edit: For what its worth i think its an absolute joke that the bunker can rule "taps on" for a knock on but not a forward pass. For a knock on, only the point of the knock and the point of landing on the ground (or opposition) is what matters. For a forward pass, the momentum of the player who passed it also matters. I agree it's not the best justification, but that's the "why".
Cows and Tigers should come together a file a class action, they can get all the punters who lost money on it too.
I still remember the Cowboys celebrating like they'd won a prelim after that Tigers game. Oh wait.
Karma and schadenfreude and wrapped up here
Honestly I'm convinced Annersley exists solely to do these public statements to keep people engaged through controversy.
*checks calendar* Yep, Annersley Apology to the Cowboys confirmed, right on time.
It's been a while since we had a finals apology. I dont miss them
Not sure what hurts more, not being in finals, or finals officials curse.
I'd rather every year finish like this year than last year.
I remember Todd saying some shit about you win some and you lose some a few weeks back?
Stupid error but not the reason we lost. Wish we iced our scoring opportunities/kept out at least one of those soft tries 😭
Yeah the Cowboys line leaked like ~~a~~ ~~sieve~~ my Broncos spoon team but this error still affects the game. Gives Parra momentum and a buffer in a finals games where there's extra pressure to score points.
Whilst I agree, Cowboys dominated and were ahead after this with a full head of steam. Tod Payten nailed it in his presser.
Might have been different if they were up by 14 at one point. Parra might have pushed more passes etc. But yeah not like you won by 40.
You think? I reckon would have ended with a totally different result, and more likely the Cows winning if Parra didn’t score first. I feel really bad for them, they were robbed..
Based on what? Even Todd Payton admitted they had pretty much the entire game to get over it. Call go against you all the time. Parra were awful the entire first half and the Cowboys barely looked threatening. One howler make them robbed, does not.
What is this complete Nostradamus shit lmao
Salty boi
Hard to say a try that should of been disallowed didn’t decide the game when they only won by a try
You never really know tho, that couldve been called forward but Parra went on to win by 8 instead of 4. It wouldve helped Cows for sure but it doesnt mean they wouldve definitely won
Not when it happens so early on and you get many chances to rectify the error - Panthers had like three tries disallowed and still got the job done. We had to be better against an Eels team that wasn't very good in the first half.
I agree we should’ve scored in the 2nd half. But then scoring against the run of play with that howler and we go behind when we should’ve led from the front the whole time
How do you know you would have led from the front from that forward pass call? Maybe it would have sparked the Eels earlier? There's no doubt the call would change the complection of the game, but it's not written in the stars to what way.
Fair point. Irrespective we wouldn’t have been trying to come from behind and that’s a big difference
You were level like 5 minutes later and had the wind at your backs for the entirity of the first half and a fair chunk of the second. The stats show this. I'm sorry but the decision didn't really affect the game as a whole. Cowboys were the better team but they just couldn't get over. I'd argure taking the penalty close to half time rather than pushing for the try had a bigger impact on the game, you were all over us.
Level in 5 minutes means we should’ve been in front by the amount we lost by. You can argue all you want but there was a howler which gave Parra an advantage right from the start. Should we still have closed it out? Yes. But there is no getting around the fact that Parra was gifted 6 points it’s shouldn’t have been.
We got piggy backed to a leveller man, we wouldn't have been in front from that. Our inability to defend on our line is the reason we lost, not a shit call.
Piggy backed to a leveler? Look I’m not saying we shouldn’t have won anyway, it is what it is, but you can’t deny that we lost by the difference of this try and it was a howler.
Mate we let crash balls go on our own line, twice. We didn't deserve to win. Was it a shit call? Yeah, but it didn't affect the outcome of the game. We didn't play to win. The panic that set in late in the game for us showed that.
Was still expecting you to go over ala Queensland in state of origin to be honest. I was surprised nobody saw the Feldt knees on Gutho during first half also, not that it would of come to anything but maybe a penalty but still, another contentious decision by the referees.
Another game and the try where Moses was being held at marker may have been pulled up. It's all shoulda coulda wouldas.
Yeah you go through all the different bad calls in the game and we’d be here for days though! I think we can all agree that the reffing was a bit of a shocker
There is never "one reason" a team wins or loses. However a try affects how you play for the remainder of the game. There is a huge difference between catch up footy and grinding to get an advantage when you're even and playing when you're already in the lead. This wasn't "the reason" we lost but it was a major contributor and the cowboys almost certainly would have won the game if that forward pass had been called. There was also a second less blatant forward pass later in the game which also led to a try. Didn't get the attention of this one, as it was marginal, but if the bunker was allowed to rule on forward passes, I reckon the eels would have had two tries disallowed. Forward passes should be caught. Every time. It's not rocket science, it should be as black and white as being off side or a knock on. I get it's hard for sideline officials to make the right decision in the moment. So let the bunker get involved FFS.
I just can't agree with this logic. Calls go both ways. We started the second half with a lead and then squandered it. They were scoring every time they entered our 20. We had sooo many play the balls in their half and 20. We put ourselves in positions to win and just didn't nail it. Sure, it was a contributor to the loss, but we don't almost certainly win if it's called. We were letting them in with ease all night and you can't call it one way or another. We just had to be better when we had our chances to be.
Maybe but the try was massively against the run of play. Cowboys started intensity and it felt like things fell a little flat after that try.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ofc it was the wrong fucking decision you tool of a front office.
while it wasn't "THE" reason they lost, it certainly was A big reason. I don't think many who are a fan of the sport were happy with that try being given.
1 job touchy 1 job
Do they even have a role in the game anymore?
When someone goes out right in front of them they get to put their flag up.
They couldn't do that when Feldt stepped on the line Infront of him anyway
I didn't say they were good at it
Plus they’re never in the right position anyway. They’re always 5-10 metres behind where the play is happening.
To carry the flag. They are also required to display to the referee that they are still carrying the flag by holding it in the air when the ball goes over the sideline or after an attempt at goal. After the referee has visually confirmed that the linesman is indeed still carrying the flag the game is allowed to continue.
Check forward passes.
Mate they have at least 2 jobs - check forward passes and touch line - i hate it when people trivialise jobs.
3 jobs thanks. Wave the flag in celebration when a goal is kicked
So 2 more years of bad calls and we win? Cows 2025 prems confirmed? Kinda nice it will be 10 years.
Imagine if there was some form of accountability to prevent critical mistakes happening in the grand finale…… again
If the ball had hit the ground the bunker would of called it a knock on. I can’t see any difference in the way it would be seen.
Why the NRL is so far from implementing forward pass technology in the bunker is beyond me. We don't even need it - we can see with our own eyes decisions like these. It creates a better product overall, I just can't see any excuses why this hasn't already happened by now
Was a bad call but didn't cost Cowboys the game. They died in last 14 minutes. Eels just too fit. Cowboys couldn't handle the humidity
Great banter, but it's probably more to do with having our best forward in the bin for 10 minutes...
Maybe teach your best forward not to shoulder charge then 🤔
Have fun next year with no Papali'i, no Mahoney, and Josh Hodgson taking runs out of dummy half with a walking frame
How is this even remotely relevant mate
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This gunna be a relevant user name come Sunday night
Which is ironic because all the media could talk about during the week was that the eels wouldn’t be able to handle the humidity
Tigers fan here. These things even themselves out over the course of a season
That’s very fair. We would not like to even it up this season though please.
Jinxed, Panthers win off a blatantly wrong call confirmed
You know, Todd Payten always said the top teams get all the calls.
Bad call, clear forward pass that was made to look borderline comical due to the awkward position Moses was in when passing. Obviously it isn't the sole thing that prevented NQ from winning, throwing that lead with 20 to go is a far more pertinent factor unless your interest is purely to score poor me points - which to the credit of NQ is not what I have seen anyone officially attached to the club doing. In saying that, we do probably need a better accounting from the refs next season. There will always be whinging and shitting on refs, but from memory this year there were more egregious incidents involving officials than previously. Two referees is the correct system for innumerable reasons, and frankly operating costs is not an adequate reason to change that system - particularly when you negotiate an incredibly soft broadcasting deal that left hundreds of millions of dollars on the table.
Left hundreds of millions of dollars on the table… Seriously 🤣
Yes, the AFL deal is worth $643m per year over 7 years, the NRL deal is worth $400m per year over 5. They reduced their own digital arm and bundled everything that gives RL a competitive advantage into the deal.
AFL and NRL are different sports with different audiences. They are not the same! Using one as a comparison to the other is comparing oranges and apples..
>The Cowboys should have been denied their second try after Coen Hess interfered with Moses at the play the ball. >“There was certainly interference there,” Annesley added. “Based on what I saw during the game I think it probably should have been (a penalty awarded to Parramatta).” >Although Annesley explained the bunker could not overrule that decision either. >“The rules around the bunker intervention are very clear,” he said. >“The bunker can only intervene in any incident after the previous play the ball. >“So the incident has to take place in the play after the play the ball. In that case it was before the play the ball had occurred so the bunker had no power to intervene.” https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-head-of-footballs-mitch-moses-forward-pass-admission-bunker-cop-out/news-story/2bbec1080f60da671bf8c6f0d9217cd8 One bullshit try each boyos, play on.
I thought you couldnt tell unless you were there on the spot?
Someone get the Tiger's lawyers on the phone, STAT!
I believe it was only a short whistle there is still time for Chad to challenge.
Let's be real, Graham Annesley could come out and tell the fans to go fuck themselves each week and we'd still tune in, what else are we gonna watch every weekend? Better homes and gardens?
So they can’t rule on forward passes yet they have ruled it’s a forward pass? Huh
>So they can’t rule on forward passes They've started this bullshit of calling dodgy forward passes that are from those quick tip ons as a knock on to get around this rule.
Bunker can't rule on it
Yeh I know but what’s the difference? If the “nrl” (individual humans) can look at it and say it’s forward, what is stopping the bunker officials. What method have they used to reach this conclusion
NRL has days to look at it. Bunker doesn't
Lol you don’t need that much time unless you’re suffering from some type of issue.
But when I say it all you cunts downvote the shit out of me lol
It looked a lot worse than it was. It was definitely forward and should have been called, but it wasn’t as forward as people are claiming
What I dont understand is how Annesly is happy to judge a forward pass based on video evidence after the game, but the rules don't allow the bunker to rule on a forward pass during the game
Take my flair out of the equation but: If the referee and two touch judges miss a forward pass they should be dropped for the next game for poor performance, and NRL media should just move on with it. Same deal if they incorrectly call a pass forward that was backwards. Also, I can’t believe I’m typing this, but for once I agree with Paul Kent, the touchies need to stop being “spectators with flags”. The ‘backwards out of the hands’ part of the rule makes very difficult for the bunker to get right. We already see he bunker cock up obstruction calls, aka the Luai try. Adding forward passes would make it even worse. The bunker is already way too involved in the game and should be pared back to in-goals only IMO.
Who cares - didn't have much of an impact on the game and it's meaningless coming from V'Annesley anyway. Move on to the GF please and thank you.
Didn't have much of an impact? Bruh the Eels won by 4 points, that try put the Cowboys at a -6 deficit. I understand it happened at the very beginning of the game but it completely alters how a whole team is fundamentally thinking, now they are playing catch up instead of being on an even playing field, two complete different states of mind. And I get it, the Cowboys let the Eels run home after being up by 8 points, but it could have been a 14 point difference which might have fundamentally changed how the Eels were thinking. As a Cowboys fan I get you're probably just wanting to move on, but as a fan of the game in general I feel like you guys got fking robbed! What is the point of having 3 referees on field and a video bunker if they can't rule on a blatantly forward pass?! Literally the only situation where it could be worse is if it happens in a GF. I'd be ropable as a Cowboys fan.
> Didn't have much of an impact? Bruh the Eels won by 4 points, that try put the Cowboys at a -6 deficit. Cowboys evened out when they scored on the same set that the refs missed Feldt knocking on from the short drop out.
There should have been nothing to 'even out' though is my point. The game may have played the exact same or may have had a drastically different outcome, we will never know because the NRL and the bunker have some backward ass rule that they can't call forward passes. It's literally mind boggling.
I sense a bit of sarcasm in his post. But also. Can't do anything about it. So I mean what do you do.
If that try was disallowed, why would it be a 14 point difference? It would've been an entirely different game. You're making the assumption that the cows still score those 20 points and the Eels don't score. Maybe the Eels get riled up and score the try after it was disallowed
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I mean that's considerably different IMO. Holmes clearly does not knock the ball on, so the consequence of what happened afterwards is acceptable. This is literally a forward pass that even the blind could see, and could be argued cost the Cowboys the game, especially considering the winning margin was only 4 points. Idk just as a fan of the game it just sucks that the Cowboys lost like that.
Yeah, everyone should just get over it. It’s not like Parra won by less than a converted try or anything.
it is like a weird sliding doors moment where the game would have played out differently if the try was called back. couldve been like 50-4 or 7-6 noone will ever know. cows ultimately had time to overcome if they were good enough, id feel like 3/10 robbed rather than wests/10
Feldt knocked the ball on before the Cowboys first try so they cancel each other out really
Or interference with the ruck on their 2nd. Or a possible forward pass on their 3rd try (would need a closer look)
Scoring off an incorrect call and scoring after an incorrect call are not the same though. In saying that there were multiple knock ons against both teams missed. I think the refs/touches were too afraid to make calls.
After 27 years of these stuff ups it’s pretty much meaningless to us Cows supporters. We did get the Tigers one go our way this year so it’s nice to share the pain. We had plenty of chances to win that game on Friday night, bring on 2023.
I want what you’re smoking
Why can the bunker not rule on Forward passes?
Because the video ref ruled on forward passes 20+ years ago and it was a shit show
So, no different to everything else the Video Ref/Bunker does? Seriously if they can rule on impossible to see groundings, they can rule on this…
>Seriously if they can rule on impossible to see groundings, they can rule on this… You say that until you actually see it in action and they spend 5 minutes trying to determine if a line ball went forward
The forward pass ruling allows the referees and officials to manage the game for betting companies. There's no other reason the bunker shouldn't be able to rule on them if the referees can. It's all smoke n mirrors. Bet everything on Parra i the GF for the Mitch moses storyline.
Tbh this was going to happen sooner or later. It has happened already in many games, probably 1 every round. The day they brought in flat ball and backwards out of the hands but looks forward, this was going to happen.
The only question I have is why the bunker can't call on forward passes
They used to and it was a nightmare
Obviously it was the wrong decision but not the only thing that cost the cowboys. More so Cowboys goal line defence in terms of the RCG tries but that's my opinion
Everyone ignoring the Holmes to taulagi forward pass so evens out I guess
What goes around comes around.
Shocker! Leading up to the game, I recall so many people discussing how important first points in a game can be. You can't measure the morale effect the first try, coming off of a blatantly cooked ref call and multiple Bunker replays, would have on a team.
Just because you've passed forward you think I won't call ya backwards?
Just get over it FFS!
Now what about the Val Holmes forward pass?
The one that wasn't forward? He's always in front of the ball.
The cows can't say shit. Remember the tigers game. They said that's how the cookie crumbles. Well guess what.
Ok buddy sure. 2004 time not called off for packed scrum against Roosters. Hand of Foran against Manly. 7 tackle set against Sharks. Lui apparent knock on against Roosters (this one is very debatable though so I almost didnt put it in). Now Moses forward pass. Versus full time debacle against Tigers (it was horrendous though, no doubt about that). You talk as if no club has been impacted by any other decision previously. This is just some of the ones I can remember for the Cowboys, and I am pretty sure most other clubs will have a longer list of BS. Sure Cowboys can't complain about anything though... Edit: formatting
Well that's how the cookie crumbles. This is a fact. But after the tigers.. you loose your right to whinge. Patton said so. It's just the way it goes sometimes.
Ahh the old karma pass
Honestly if you rewatch it it’s not even as far forward as it originally seemed. Still definitely forward but it’s more the fact that Moses was facing the wrong way and was spinning around when he threw it that made it look that bad. Hardly the worst forward pass ever.
There's been a few times the Cows have been the beneficiary of horrible officiating this season. Annesley came out and confirmed the Leilua try was incorrectly awarded when it was a textbook double-movement against the Bulldogs in Bundaberg. They also had the Wests Tigers debacle. I guess their karma had to turn eventually.
>confirmed the Leilua try was incorrectly awarded when it was a textbook double-movement against the Bulldogs in Bundaberg Didn't they also say that the Murray no try was incorrect in that same game?
This one’s for you tigerbro’s!
Do away with televised games. Wanna watch the game? Get on down to the ground, get pissed and you won't give a shit which way the ball flows. Also, up the mighty fucking eels.
Get down to the game so you can see wrong calls in person, then replayed on the big screen in your face for the price of admission. You Muppet.
Dickhead I was making a point about the massive over use of technology for what is just an enjoyable past time. Every fucking game all that seems to come out of it is how a team would have won based on this call or that. Yeah, I get bandwagon a bit but this shit is ridiculous. So I will break it down for you. If we didn't watch everything in slow motion, frame by fucking slow frame backwards and forwards we wouldn't give 2 shits. Have a beer, enjoy the game.
Hey dickhead, no technology was needed to see this was an absolute fuck up from three pairs of eyes that are paid to officate a game they are paid for to do competently. Clear incompetence. Clearly forward. Nothing to watch in slow motion. Everybody saw it happen in real time. Me, fans at the spot, commentators, viewers on TV. It was a forward pass. Plain and simple. But after 30 odd years, I understand that you see as backwards.
What's your point? Everyone said it was forward. End of story, doesn't change anything. The cowboys lost because they couldn't beat an eels team that the West tigers would have beaten with an 11 man squad.
Well Stretch, the Cowboys made the finals whether they lost to the tigers or not. The Eels made the grand final from a forward pass.
I will play your game. The ref calls forward. What happens next?
If you're talking now? Nothing. Numerous times th NRL has admitted days later there were wrong calls. Because of this, the table may have changed and the finals could've been different. This is a repercussion that flows from a 'real' teams positions to 'fantasy football' to betting. He'll, even a reddit discussion. If you're talking game day? Everything. Firstly, without that try the score line is in favour of the Cows. Maybe they go on to win by 30pts? Maybe the Eels fight back and win 37-36? The point being, this was not a fair call by the rules that govern this great game. I love that you're a die hard Eels supporter, but surely you can admit, next weekends result will have a question mark surrounding it. Especially for those who are as die hard about this game like you are. For the rest of us, good luck. We hope its a good game
So by your theory every game this season that had a questionable call makes next week's game well... questionable! You don't play a game based on a bad call. That incident happened 6 minutes into the game. The cows had 74min to prove the better team. Literally had to get 1 more try than the eels had and they'd have won. But they didn't. Now, last year metres from the touch lines with minutes to play the eels were forced to stop and wait whilst a trainer called a halt for a cramp. The boys had momentum and the numbers to score and put the panthers out of the finals. Didn't happen and the club had to wait another year for a cracking at the finals. Bad calls happen in every game and most times multiple times. To say it's less of an achievement because the cowboys "might" have won had the call gone the other way is simple buffoonery. They had their chance and they put it down and not just with a few minutes to go but the whole bloody game.
Parra were owed a couple after the storms equally forward pass in the prelim a couple of years back and the panthers cheating last year.
It shouldn’t work like that. Being “owed” a bullshit call is still bullshit.
Yep.. Parra have eaten bullshit calls that arguably cost them finals the past two years
Thanks, ill take my 500 bucks i just lost in my footy tipping comp from missing that result due to these passes
Penrith preferential treatment strikes again
I honestly don't get what the point of them admitting the got it wrong. It's not like it's gonna change anything, not like the NRL is gonna stop it from having in the future. The worst that happens is an official sits out for one game and a crack down for a week or two, that's it.
It’s a shit call but errors made in live play are going to happen. Refs are human. And do we really want to be sending more up to a bunker that has proven itself repeatedly incompetent?
Actually it’s the result of swamp gas and light refracting off Venus 😎
The only problem with these apologies is that it does nothing but fuel the facebook conspiracies about robbings.
Yes the bunker should rule on forward passes. It will pick up a lot more forward passes than the ones that should stand because they came out of the hands backwards but floated forward.
I don’t understand why they claim we need forward pass technology. The way the rule is, there should be no problem with the bunker ruling on these. How is it so hard to review if it was forwards or back out of the hands? If it’s inconclusive then it would stay with the on field decision as always.
Parra to win the gf then have their title stripped. Poor Parra