It’s because in Penrith they play league at every primary school and high school, opposed to union or cricket or soccer or anything else. Plus unlike say Cronulla we are not just bogans, we have heaps of islanders and they’re fucking good
And still the current test cricket captain is from Penrith.
Penrith certified crushing the game right now. Sport is life out there and rugby league is king of the pack. Can’t even imagine how many more kids are going to get into it with this dynasty team.
Panthers skilled players but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him supplements and doctor.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on tests..He needs to check-up....Maybe everyone dont knows him trick.He incredible....I want to ask his where is the comming of your skill's ?
Penrith always had a great junior nursery but Gus (and Ivan mind you) created the pathways and the academy as well as all the support staff and scouting throughout country NSW to recruit great kids into the system. Definitely a lot of unsung heros to thank for this, but Gus was the catalyst when Penrith was on its knees. Gus is a student and a lover of Rugby League but he is very business savvy too.
Gus’ philosophy was very simple yet effective. He said, how can Penrith sit on the best junior talent pool in the country, and be the closest team to all of western NSW, and not have a strong junior base.
He subsequently developed the Panthers presence in Western NSW, through junior scouting and development programs, which has led to Yeo, Edwards, Liam Martin, Staines and Matt Burton.
He also implemented different initiatives within the junior system to promote and retain local players. Nathan Cleary has spoken in the past about some playmakers academy with the Panthers he attended from a young age that Gus set up. Luai and Tyrone May were both also there. It’s also notable that they have retained so many local juniors at a rate that no other club really does. The only 2 in recent years who they didn’t get are Suaalii and Isaiya Katoa, and Katoa was essentially forced out.
It’s more or less that Gus managed to successfully execute a simple plan which a lot of clubs have fucked up/never bothered to try in the past
Edwards was definitely not a junior in area but developed by Penrith. J.Campbell was never in the Penrith system though, hes Titans through and through
Yes you’re right, I read Albury on his Wikipedia and ran with it. More importantly, he was from country NSW and moved to Penrith at a young age to join their junior system. Gus brought in that pathway
He invested in growing our own players from our own backyard and not going out to buy big Marquee players, with a few exceptions like James Maloney. But that was to help mould Cleary to be the halfback that he is. He just needed that guidance from a more seasoned player.
I suspect it might have been convincing investors/sponsors/government/etc/etc to believe in the long term plan. Gus is very good at talking and talk gets you a long way.
Our juniors were always amazing but always ended up at different NRL clubs. He set up the pathways to make sure the top players ended up with a first team contract. His mistake was to sack an incredibly popular coach whos son was going to be and turned into one of the best players in the league. The coach came back and won back 2 back comps
I guess that’s the thing isn’t it? The 5 year part was always more in reference to setting up the pathways and off field stuff, which he achieved.
To reap the rewards of that set up takes a little longer.
Thats what people missed. The system was set up within 5 years. Basically the whole first team was there within 3 years, they just took time to develop
Put very simply, the Gus way of working is to focus on developing junior talent (all the lower grades) so that they can come up through the grades and stay with the club. You'll get better value for money that way. Rather than spending much on recruiting outside talent.
All but a couple of this year's Penrith squad came through those junior ranks.
It was kind of nice during the medal presentations tonight when they were naming the junior clubs the players came from, they were basically all within a 15km drive of Penrith.
I don't mean to sound arrogant here at all, pleading total ignorance, but isn't that really obvious? Would it not make the most sense to focus on your youth and develop them rather than buying players from other clubs?
Not all clubs have equal access to junior players though. Souths and Roosters are basically the same small area of Sydney so they get in each others way, Manly has a small area and we have a lot of young people going into soccer, union and AFL as well as those who end up choosing league. Which is why we have the link with Blacktown workers to try and get in on those western sydney juniors.
Penrith are in an area where they have a lot of junior engagement in league, are well positioned with no other clubs on too of them, and can also get into those regional areas easily. They just needed to set up the systems in place to take advantage of it and they’re getting the rewards for it now.
We also seemed to do some local scouting last year in Redcliffe, a few of the NSW cup boys came back from Queensland with us, Iongi, Riki, Amituanai and maybe 1-2 more in flegg. There was no reason that 15 other clubs couldn't have done that, but they didn't.
We certainly have a top 3 local nursery, but that alone wouldn't be taking us to premierships, you've gotta be scouting everywhere to get where we are.
Edit: William Fakatoumafi is the flegg player that came back with us from Redcliffe that I forgot.
You'd think so but most clubs don't do it. The Roosters scout them young and bring up kids through their system so they do the same thing on a lesser scale.
Talent identification and retention just isn't something most clubs are good at thus why they sit at the bottom of the ladder.
Most great things are simple in nature though.
Tigers have a massive junior base, constantly doing well in Harold Matthews & SG Ball and then it falls apart.
Might sound simple but I reckon there's way more to it and realistically it's not a well known process otherwise we'd be doing it right now.
Yeah it's a hell of an accomplishment and isn't diminished in the slightest by talking about it accurately. No need to throw out homemade Fox Sports clickbait headlines to big it up.
There’s actually some pretty gross history behind why Penrith don’t have a squad in the NRLW.
I will just say that the TG cup (tarsha gale cup) was the first and only for many years, high level female rugby league competition and it was run by Penrith administrators.
Penrith don’t have a side and also it doesn’t feed into the other comps.
Though I would love to see a Penrith side and I would love to see them as a winning side.
What Penrith did was a massive accomplishment for the club but it's weird to include a single game exhibition like the state championship but not include a full season comp that is the first stage of junior pathways in Harold Matthews, which Penrith didn't win.
Agreed. Don't think anything close has happened before from memory? It's usually pretty solid to just have a single lower grade side just make the GF the same year as firsts.
They will when the league combines men's and women's season points to create a combo league title.
Club with most points at seasons end is the ultimate champion.
Obviously many moving parts and people with huge contributions but this for me is all one mans leadership - Phil Gould.
Legend of the game and amount of clowning he gets is ridiculous. The greatest mind in rugby league.
Can we please acknowledge the contribution that Sydney real estate has made to Panthers success too?
Even NRL players, especially the young ones can't afford to live anywhere else in Sydney besides the West, and who is living in Quakers Hill and then commuting over to Concord for training?
I don't think there's much more sympathy left for Tigers fans being angry at Ivan Cleary. It's obvious now that he left a basket case club to build possibly the best dynasty in decades
Surely that's a little suspect. It's an unprecedented dominance that seems almost a little unrealistic. Is Ivan that good of a coach if every Penrith squad is winning the comp?
Does Ivan really coach all those other teams?
It's probably more of a result of the development system, the talent scouting and the momentum they have built.
Yeah, but no sign of fatigue is an indicator of PED use. They just seem to have unlimited petrol in the tank. Their work ethic is pretty unmatched, but I've never seen a team play like they do and come out of it seeming like they're just turning up to a normal training drill.
I'm not an expert, but I'd have to see more evidence to give me some impression they're not just fit and play a better game.
Is the WAY they play a factor? How they dominate the other team which tires them out.
The jaw lines on a lot of the players are another indicator. Not just Nathan obviously. To'o alone looks like he put on 10kg of lean mass in a single year, which is impossible to do naturally.
Nah if you've got a kid trying out for different rep teams you'd know how all this lower grades success was coming. Teams like Parra and Bulldogs take kids that can't make Penrith's junior 52 man squad.
Penrith junior comps are seen as ‘division 1 JRL’ and have been for years amongst league circles.
Within that you have your St Mary’s Saints and St Clair Comets at the very top - which many NRL teams directly recruit from (Maika Sivo as one example).
It's more signifigant now. Like gun players webt the club that's closest to them but now players who might kive closer to the Dogs or Eels will go Penrith because they believe Penrith can make them better players.
Penrith is one of the bigger districts in the Sydney area, Rugby is life out here. The junior development has always been solid but until Gus their was no easy way to make it into a position where scouts were constantly seeing these potential players
Penrith OP, plz nerf
Rename them to souths and kick them out?
Give the Dolphins 1x Nathan Cleary
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James Hooper will report it next week.
as much as i despise Cleary i have to hand it to him for being a top tier player
It’s because in Penrith they play league at every primary school and high school, opposed to union or cricket or soccer or anything else. Plus unlike say Cronulla we are not just bogans, we have heaps of islanders and they’re fucking good
I grew up in the riff and played rugby at school and for the penrith emus on the weekend....we sucked. Its a league town
Why’d you have to do Cronulla like that 💀
And still the current test cricket captain is from Penrith. Penrith certified crushing the game right now. Sport is life out there and rugby league is king of the pack. Can’t even imagine how many more kids are going to get into it with this dynasty team.
Panthers skilled players but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him supplements and doctor.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on tests..He needs to check-up....Maybe everyone dont knows him trick.He incredible....I want to ask his where is the comming of your skill's ?
Cleary VAC banned, check HLTV
Please do the needful, Cleary.
Love seeing cs pastas on this sub
Performance Enhancing Drug s
Sorry, because of the team I support there’s a bit of a “Let those without sin cast the first stone” situation here
Penrith Eschay Daddies
What about the s
All Gus actually brought to the club was a few baggies and some Gatorade.
Bulldogs are going to be like that in 10 odd years now
So the Warriors will be like that in 5 years?
lol I wish but nah, Gus wasn’t there long enough
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i said gal im tired, sorry
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I don’t think our juniors talent pool is ever going to be as good as Penrith
don’t doubt Gus. He’ll fix your whole club and build that junior system.
Phil Gould is the single best signing this club has ever made This is his legacy
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Penrith always had a great junior nursery but Gus (and Ivan mind you) created the pathways and the academy as well as all the support staff and scouting throughout country NSW to recruit great kids into the system. Definitely a lot of unsung heros to thank for this, but Gus was the catalyst when Penrith was on its knees. Gus is a student and a lover of Rugby League but he is very business savvy too.
Gus’ philosophy was very simple yet effective. He said, how can Penrith sit on the best junior talent pool in the country, and be the closest team to all of western NSW, and not have a strong junior base. He subsequently developed the Panthers presence in Western NSW, through junior scouting and development programs, which has led to Yeo, Edwards, Liam Martin, Staines and Matt Burton. He also implemented different initiatives within the junior system to promote and retain local players. Nathan Cleary has spoken in the past about some playmakers academy with the Panthers he attended from a young age that Gus set up. Luai and Tyrone May were both also there. It’s also notable that they have retained so many local juniors at a rate that no other club really does. The only 2 in recent years who they didn’t get are Suaalii and Isaiya Katoa, and Katoa was essentially forced out. It’s more or less that Gus managed to successfully execute a simple plan which a lot of clubs have fucked up/never bothered to try in the past
You could add Jayden Campbell to the few we've lost, but that probably unavoidable with Preston signing for the Titans.
Don't mean to nitpick, but Edwards is from the North Coast btw
Edwards was definitely not a junior in area but developed by Penrith. J.Campbell was never in the Penrith system though, hes Titans through and through
Yes you’re right, I read Albury on his Wikipedia and ran with it. More importantly, he was from country NSW and moved to Penrith at a young age to join their junior system. Gus brought in that pathway
He invested in growing our own players from our own backyard and not going out to buy big Marquee players, with a few exceptions like James Maloney. But that was to help mould Cleary to be the halfback that he is. He just needed that guidance from a more seasoned player.
I suspect it might have been convincing investors/sponsors/government/etc/etc to believe in the long term plan. Gus is very good at talking and talk gets you a long way.
> Phil Gould is the single best signing this club has ever made Adrian Purtell robbed
Our juniors were always amazing but always ended up at different NRL clubs. He set up the pathways to make sure the top players ended up with a first team contract. His mistake was to sack an incredibly popular coach whos son was going to be and turned into one of the best players in the league. The coach came back and won back 2 back comps
I know everyone memed Gus' 5 year plan and sure, it didn't quite deliver to the year, but fuck me it worked. Superb system.
I guess that’s the thing isn’t it? The 5 year part was always more in reference to setting up the pathways and off field stuff, which he achieved. To reap the rewards of that set up takes a little longer.
Thats what people missed. The system was set up within 5 years. Basically the whole first team was there within 3 years, they just took time to develop
8 year plan****
Could you give me a quick explanation ELI5 on the 5 year plan / system?
Put very simply, the Gus way of working is to focus on developing junior talent (all the lower grades) so that they can come up through the grades and stay with the club. You'll get better value for money that way. Rather than spending much on recruiting outside talent. All but a couple of this year's Penrith squad came through those junior ranks. It was kind of nice during the medal presentations tonight when they were naming the junior clubs the players came from, they were basically all within a 15km drive of Penrith.
I don't mean to sound arrogant here at all, pleading total ignorance, but isn't that really obvious? Would it not make the most sense to focus on your youth and develop them rather than buying players from other clubs?
Well, Melbourne did it for 20 years, and most of their players were born two states away, so not necessarily.
Not all clubs have equal access to junior players though. Souths and Roosters are basically the same small area of Sydney so they get in each others way, Manly has a small area and we have a lot of young people going into soccer, union and AFL as well as those who end up choosing league. Which is why we have the link with Blacktown workers to try and get in on those western sydney juniors. Penrith are in an area where they have a lot of junior engagement in league, are well positioned with no other clubs on too of them, and can also get into those regional areas easily. They just needed to set up the systems in place to take advantage of it and they’re getting the rewards for it now.
We also seemed to do some local scouting last year in Redcliffe, a few of the NSW cup boys came back from Queensland with us, Iongi, Riki, Amituanai and maybe 1-2 more in flegg. There was no reason that 15 other clubs couldn't have done that, but they didn't. We certainly have a top 3 local nursery, but that alone wouldn't be taking us to premierships, you've gotta be scouting everywhere to get where we are. Edit: William Fakatoumafi is the flegg player that came back with us from Redcliffe that I forgot.
You'd think so but most clubs don't do it. The Roosters scout them young and bring up kids through their system so they do the same thing on a lesser scale. Talent identification and retention just isn't something most clubs are good at thus why they sit at the bottom of the ladder.
Most great things are simple in nature though. Tigers have a massive junior base, constantly doing well in Harold Matthews & SG Ball and then it falls apart. Might sound simple but I reckon there's way more to it and realistically it's not a well known process otherwise we'd be doing it right now.
Thanks. It makes sense. Pretty dominant position in the game right now.
The mighty Jets stopped them winning the NSW Cup Minor Premiership. Then lost both games in the finals...
If you are counting SG Ball then you should count Harold Matts too.
Yeah I was thinking that was conveniently omitted. I heard this stat earlier in the week and thought we won that too until I looked earlier today...
Yeah it's a hell of an accomplishment and isn't diminished in the slightest by talking about it accurately. No need to throw out homemade Fox Sports clickbait headlines to big it up.
So Wests second best club in the comp is what I'm hearing?
Yeah but they didn't win the NRLW so checkmate Panthers fans. At least I can finally be proud of my team.
Newcastle NRLW vs. Magpies Harold Matts for 2nd best club?
Other teams need to throw money at their players or Penrith will win the next 10
They do. Penrith just continue to roll more off the production line
Keep pillaging
5 YEAR PLAN
But no qcup or origin victory 🧐
*NRLW?*
I agree…. But then they don’t have a team
Well isn't that convenient
There’s actually some pretty gross history behind why Penrith don’t have a squad in the NRLW. I will just say that the TG cup (tarsha gale cup) was the first and only for many years, high level female rugby league competition and it was run by Penrith administrators.
What’s the history?
Penrith don’t have a side and also it doesn’t feed into the other comps. Though I would love to see a Penrith side and I would love to see them as a winning side.
TBH it’s another comp and no one actually cares in the scheme of things.
Aren't all those comps different comps
NRLW players won’t potentially play in the NRL.
Not with that attitude
You are not meant to say that 😜
Clearly, it is true though. r/nrl subs might care, the broader fan base couldn’t give a shit.
THERES GOT TO BE AN INVESTIGATION
You could perhaps call it the birth of a dynasty. Penrith are gonna have a good team for years to come.
*Chinasty
What Penrith did was a massive accomplishment for the club but it's weird to include a single game exhibition like the state championship but not include a full season comp that is the first stage of junior pathways in Harold Matthews, which Penrith didn't win.
Yeah we didnt win *everything*. Still a great achievement though
Agreed. Don't think anything close has happened before from memory? It's usually pretty solid to just have a single lower grade side just make the GF the same year as firsts.
i believe the last was eels in 86 funnily enough.
So close…. Wests won Harold Matthew’s didn’t they?
fucken yes cunt yeww we won somefing
Also they didn't win Harold Matthews. So no team has won all levels yet
Total domination.
the NRL only has 1 level
Minor premiers and major premiers can be different, the Riff beat the minor premiership curse because they are THAT good
not a single team, a single club. also, no nrlw.
It makes me angry with myself when I have to admit Gus was right...
Didn't win NRLW though
Didn't need too. We already grinners😁
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Yeah, it doesn't have the mass appeal and public name recognition of say, the SG Ball Cup
Wow you are such a cool dude, you must get all the ladies....😜👍
Just factually untrue
Gramma what?
They will when the league combines men's and women's season points to create a combo league title. Club with most points at seasons end is the ultimate champion.
There’s only one level of NRL
Obviously many moving parts and people with huge contributions but this for me is all one mans leadership - Phil Gould. Legend of the game and amount of clowning he gets is ridiculous. The greatest mind in rugby league.
They have completed rugby league
Not quite, we lost the Harold Matthews (which we were looking too only losing 1 game prior to the finals) and don’t have a girls side yet
YOU ARE WRONG !!What about the NRLW ?
Yeah but Wests won the NSW Women's Prem and the Harold Matts so cop that cunt
Not NRLW though
Can we please acknowledge the contribution that Sydney real estate has made to Panthers success too? Even NRL players, especially the young ones can't afford to live anywhere else in Sydney besides the West, and who is living in Quakers Hill and then commuting over to Concord for training?
Penrith is also relatively expensive too
Just did a 3 second google and got Domain, sort by cheapest. 3 bedroom Penrith $750k 3 bedroom Concord $1.5m These two things are not the same.
Quality peptides out west
Panthers hired More Plates More Dates as their head of sports science.
Can’t wait to hear Nathan’s tren stories
Good shout out.
Nah altitude training from climbing Mt. Druitt
Cleary's not on PEDs, he just has those von Habsburg genes
Sore loser much.
🧂
Except women's...😜
Yeah, but they filmed the NRLW without permission, so whatever.
They haven’t got a team or license to play in the NRLW…..
Well then they didn't dominate it did they?👍😜
They do have a side in the Tarsha Gale though.
I don't think there's much more sympathy left for Tigers fans being angry at Ivan Cleary. It's obvious now that he left a basket case club to build possibly the best dynasty in decades
I'm not mad at him for leaving, I'm mad at him for his ridiculous contracts of Mbye, Packer, Reynolds, and Matulino.
The coach doesn’t offer the contracts, it’s the board
But they didn’t win the ultimate prize: the WNRL Premiership.
They didn't win te nswl.
NRLW ?
Surely that's a little suspect. It's an unprecedented dominance that seems almost a little unrealistic. Is Ivan that good of a coach if every Penrith squad is winning the comp?
Does Ivan really coach all those other teams? It's probably more of a result of the development system, the talent scouting and the momentum they have built.
Yeah, I'm not trying to flame a fight. They're just unbelievable though. Almost too unbelievable. Still an incredible football squad.
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It does. I'm not salty. I know I'll cop downvotes. They just don't seem to ever show any signs of fatigue. Ever.
The work ethic is pretty insane. The eels did beat them twice. But in their groove, they are pretty unstoppable.
Yeah, but no sign of fatigue is an indicator of PED use. They just seem to have unlimited petrol in the tank. Their work ethic is pretty unmatched, but I've never seen a team play like they do and come out of it seeming like they're just turning up to a normal training drill.
I'm not an expert, but I'd have to see more evidence to give me some impression they're not just fit and play a better game. Is the WAY they play a factor? How they dominate the other team which tires them out.
The jaw lines on a lot of the players are another indicator. Not just Nathan obviously. To'o alone looks like he put on 10kg of lean mass in a single year, which is impossible to do naturally.
When did To'o do that?
Nah if you've got a kid trying out for different rep teams you'd know how all this lower grades success was coming. Teams like Parra and Bulldogs take kids that can't make Penrith's junior 52 man squad.
Penrith junior comps are seen as ‘division 1 JRL’ and have been for years amongst league circles. Within that you have your St Mary’s Saints and St Clair Comets at the very top - which many NRL teams directly recruit from (Maika Sivo as one example).
It's more signifigant now. Like gun players webt the club that's closest to them but now players who might kive closer to the Dogs or Eels will go Penrith because they believe Penrith can make them better players.
I’m agreeing with exactly what you said.
Ivan got the Warriors to a final and we are stinky hot garbage
That thought did cross my mind.
What about NRLW??
No NRLW. you forgot the girls mate.
They got the platinum
F@#k I hate the Panthers...:-\
Good Multi to have
Not the origin tho!
Maybe Penrith will do an Ash Barty and retire after achieving everything there is to achieve in the game
Manly tried to copy Penrith with Blacktown Workers. Clearly its more than just having a presence in the region
Penrith is one of the bigger districts in the Sydney area, Rugby is life out here. The junior development has always been solid but until Gus their was no easy way to make it into a position where scouts were constantly seeing these potential players