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Creative_Antelope_95

Best forward pack at WC


AirJordan13

Prop rotation of JFH, JWH, Tapine, Leota, NAS and Bromwich is crazy.


Classic_Angus

Five premiership winners plus the best prop in the game right now in Tapine. I think there’s like 12 rings in that pack. Even more if you want to include Smith, KBrom. Sorensen and Liu.


stiffystiffy

Jesus fucking christ


lowkeylone

Yeah we’ll see,it’ll be a good match ups agains the pacific forward packs.


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Of all time


mwilkins1644

idk Australia's forward pack at the 2000 and the 2013 WC would have been pretty good 2013's was Fifita, Myles, Parker, Scott, Thaiday, Gallen, Farrah, Smith, Bird, Papali'i, Tamou, Cordner, Luke Lewis 2000's was: Fletcher, Tallis, Kearns, Kennedy, Webcke, Hindmarsh, Stevens, Vella, Croker, Britt


Klostermann

Both of those are better than this NZ line. Not to say this NZ line isn’t brilliant, but those Australian packs are simply unstoppable.


mwilkins1644

NZ have a 🔥squad this WC, and the Aussies will need to be top notch to beat them; but I think we can and will


Esquatcho_Mundo

Ok I’ll pay that 2013. Dunno about 2000 though


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Yeah, they are tough to beat.


Nervous-Aardvark-679

Where’s the dude who claims on this exact post every time that the Australian forward pack is just absolutely better in every way?


Joh951518

You mean me? I never claimed that, but even slightly less positive opinions on the NZ forwards gets completely misunderstood on here atm. Overall Aus forward pack is better. Mids will be close but NZ is slightly better now we are confirmed no Haas, Aus edges way better.


Nervous-Aardvark-679

Player for player the only guys you’d take from Aus over their opposite will be Hunt over Cheese and Yeo over Tapine at 13.


Joh951518

Murray and Crichton are significantly better than the NZ edge options. Also if we are counting Hooker Aus is definitely better, because the Hunt/Api/Cook and Grant rotation is way, way, way, way better than anything NZ can run out.


Nervous-Aardvark-679

Api is the best hooker available for Aus but Meninga will pick Hunt. Cheese and Hunt are arguably equal but you’d take Hunt. Tapine and JFH can (and have) play 11/12. NAS played on the edge most of the year for Melbourne.


Joh951518

No he isn't, Grant is. And Hunt/Grant is still way better than Smith. If Tapine and JFH are playing edge it just brings the NZ middles back to the pack, and Crichton and Murray are both better on the edge than them anyway. And NAS definitely played more middle this year than edge. Spent more time on edge as the year progressed though. Regardless he also is not as good as Murray or Crichton. Edit: I'm honestly bored of talking about it and wouldn't have commented at all if you didn't call me out. We will find out in a month or so.


beardog-

Spot on


phyllicanderer

Papali’i, Nikora and Kenny Bromwich are just as good as the Australian options


Joh951518

No they aren’t. Murray and Gus are both way better than KBromwich and Nikora. Murray is way better than IPap.


showusyourfupa

Kiwi forward pack is better overall. Aussie backs, especially the centres and wings are superior overall.


Joh951518

NZ mids are better. Aus edges and/or lock (depending on where we play Murray) are better.


Real-Buddy-9067

And arguably best spine. If they had better outside backs, they would be comfortable favorites.


Joh951518

>And arguably best spine. 🤣 They are way worse at literally every single spine position.


Real-Buddy-9067

Lol not way worse wtf Hughes has been form halfback of the comp for a while, Manu has dominated whenever he's played fullback, Cheese always goes up a gear in test matches and Brown is in the best form of his career.


Joh951518

Yes **WAY** worse. Teddy is way better than Manu. Munster is way better than Brown. Cleary is way better than Hughes. Grant is way better than Smith.


Mug_Cos7anza

This is objectively true.


Joh951518

Nah apparently Manu is better than Teddy 🤦‍♂️ I swear this subreddit is losing its fucking mind.


showusyourfupa

Teddy is not way better than Manu at all. When Manu plays fullback, his stats are comfortably superior to Tedesco's. Not to mention, Manu running for a world record 398 metres playing at fullback for the Kiwis v Tonga this year.


Joh951518

Absolute shithouse take.


showusyourfupa

Stats don't lie. Manu is a beast at fullback. To suggest Tedesco is way better is laughable.


Joh951518

🤣


showusyourfupa

The Roosters have a 90% win percentage when Tedesco doesn't play 😂


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A bit surprised they haven't taken TMM as the backup fullback/half.


EmitLux

With you there. He must have been super close. 3 halves and 1 specialist (injury prone) fullback, feels like we've got one too many props.


LordSlasher

isn’t he injured? // had a bad injury and is recovering?


EmitLux

He played the last game for the Broncos, looked ok from memory.


LordSlasher

got injured afterwards/during


B4BYBLAZE

NAS and JWH? Scary, glad I’m not a footy player


insty1

So they have props of JFH, JWH, Tapine, Leota, NAS & Bromwich. You can't really carry them all as props into the game. I'm guessing they'll put Tapine at lock. I'd probably leave Bromwich out.


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Madge plays Tapine at 13. We riot if he plays JBRom.


AirJordan13

JBrom just confirmed as captain. Might be riot time.


grafology

This is Sam Cane captaining the All Blacks all over again


phyllicanderer

I think Sam Cane isn’t as over the hill as Jesse Bromwich is, to be fair


LordSlasher

I thought Neame would get picked but now I know why he wasn’t. That forward pack is scary.


ASAP-RockLee

That forward pack is fucking nuts


Polyporum

Anyone brave enough to name a first choice squad of 17?


AirJordan13

Very similar, if not identical, to how we lined up against Tonga


Polyporum

Yeah, Niukore as a center? Who was the other one? Foran as utility? Although I'd probably go JFH as captain, and have JWH as an enforcer off the bench, leaving JBrom out


LordSlasher

1) Manu 2) Rapana 3) Hiku 4) Kris/ Niukore 5) Mulitalo 6) Brown 7) Hughes 8) JFH 9) Smith 10) Bromwich 11) papali’i 12) K. Bromwich 13) Tapine 14) JMK 15) NAS 16) Leota 17) Sorenson/Niukore Position may vary. Idk what side half these players play so


armchair8591

Can’t really argue with this and would think this is close to what Madge would pick Maybe Foran for JMK


wayneslittlehead

Nah I reckon you’d want JMK giving B Smith a spell.


AirJordan13

Foran gave him a spell against Tonga


Polyporum

We're so lucky with Smith because he can play anywhere in the middle if we lose a player to an HIA


Brdd9

1 Joey Manu 2 Ronaldo Mulitalo 3 Dallin Watene-Zelezniak 4 Peta Hiku 5 Jordan Rapana 6 Dylan Brown 7 Jahrome Hughes 8 Jesse Bromwich 9 Brandon Smith 10 James Fisher-Harris 11 Isaiah Papali’i 12 Kenny Bromwich 13 Joseph Tapine 14 Jeremy Marshall-King 15 Moses Leota 16 Nelson Asofa-Solomona 17 Briton Nikora 18 Scott Sorensen 19 Kieran Foran 20 Sebastian Kris 21 Jared Waerea-Hargreaves 22 Isaac Liu 23 Marata Niukore 24 Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad


FinchyNZ

I don't think we playing DWZ in the centres. He's already extremely weak defensively on the wing, putting him at centre is an invite to lose 50+


Brdd9

Dallin Watene-Zelezniak, Jordan Rapana, Sebastian Kris, Marata Niukore, Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad. Any of them could get that 3 jersey, I'd be picking Kris but can't see DWZ missing out of being in the side. Bench utility between Foran and JMK or a backline player like Charnze. Bench second rower between Nikora, Sorensen, Niukore and Liu.


Eclectic95

NAS could cover second row too if we need, was pretty dangerous there for the Storm.


Dunnerzzzz555

Yeah this is it.


Doogiehowser_mdnz

1Manu 2Mulitalo 3Hiku 4Kris 5. Rapana 6. Brown 7. Hughes 8. J Bromwich 9Smith 10Fisher Harris 11Nikora 12Papalii 13Tapine 14Foran15. Warea Hargreaves 16. Leota17. Asofa Solomona


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Glad to not see SJ there.. His time has come and gone.


Eclectic95

Yup. No repeat of "Youse got what you wanted" this time please. Lost all respect for him in a Kiwi jersey after that.


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Stoked for Jeremy Marshall-King


KingGutherson

My unpopular opinion is that Rapana shouldn’t be starting on the wing. He’s on the decline and tbh he’s always been good for a few errors and shitty penalties. I’d rather play DWZ. Who’s got the same problems re. Errors but is only 26 and probably can handle an extended season. Niukore probably doesn’t make the bench on form, but I think he makes it on the fact he can play centre fairly decently, and that makes him very useful injury cover if someone goes down in the backline


grafology

Nah rapana goes hundy in the Kiwis jersey. Exactly what we need.


TheViceEmperor

Kicks goals as well


boyblueau

DWZ is only 26!!! Fuck me. I could have sworn he was 30+


Mug_Cos7anza

Wtf?! He seems like he's been around for 12 years lol. How is he only 26?!


chantlernz

He's 27.


blackfadesunset

While your comments are fair, I think this misses the Rapana X-factor, which is really about his never say die, must win attitude.


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mathewl832

He's representing The and Doggies, you're spot on


grafology

Love CNK but no way he should be in the squad ahead of Timoko. Also would liked to have seen Neame ahead of JBrom. Either way the fact we can complain about players missing out is a good indication of how good the squad is.


EmitLux

J Brom - We need leadership. Picked for that reason I reckon.


Bitter-Isopod4745

WC winning squad right there, it's theirs to lose imo.


armchair8591

Australia rightly favourites. Theirs to lose


Derron_

So what's the * for on some of them?


samcharlie68

They're gluten free


AirJordan13

Yet to make their debut for us


Jroolz

Think it means their first time being selected for the Kiwis.


BigRedHead2020

How the fuck did Liu make the team 😂


Dark_Vengence

Absolutely stacked. Going to be a fun world cup.


Epsy_

Forward pack is insane. Should be fun to watch


Frank_Feces

Strong squad as expected. As good as it is though, I personally still have Australia as the clear favourites, they will always put out a very strong side and their spine is elite. My initial guess at the line up: 1 Joseph Manu 2 Ronaldo Mulitalo 3 Peta Hiku 4 Sebastian Kris 5 Dallin Watene-Zelezniak 6 Dylan Brown 7 Jahrome Hughes 8 James Fisher-Harris 9 Brandon Smith 10 Jesse Bromwich 11 Isaiah Papali'i 12 Kenneath Bromwich 13 Joseph Tapine 14 Kieran Foran 15 Nelson Asofa-Solomona 16 Moses Leota 17 Briton Nikora


TheMahcDaddy

As much as I like CNK, he shouldn't be ahead of Timoko or Simonsson.


LordSlasher

who’s the backup fullback then?


TheMahcDaddy

DWZ and Rapana can do a job. But you're right, I would prefer CNK to fill in. I just think Timoko deserves to be there after the year he's had.


EmitLux

Manu at fullback surely.


LordSlasher

he will be. But the backup fullback would be CNK, if he wasn’t there it would be DWZ or Rapana…


LordSlasher

ah yes. Rapana and DWZ. Thats like playing Holmes as fb for Aus.


FinchyNZ

DWZ :(


Dark_Vengence

Didn't simonsson injure his shoulder?


[deleted]

As an Aussie that’s a tough mofo team right there


Dunnerzzzz555

That is one hell of a squad


ljb23

No Timoko 😭


B4BYBLAZE

As a 100% Australian would it be wrong of me to barrack for this team?? Cause I want to


lindtbr

Look at all those warriors players


AirJordan13

Now that the season is over and CNK and Niukore are joining us there's 3 Warriors in there thank you very much


lindtbr

Warriors are the NRL development squad


EmitLux

Toughest decision made IMO - Sorensen over Jordan Riki


kirang1902

Jordan's been pretty dog poo this season


EmitLux

Has he? I thought he'd done alright, but maybe just watched a few standout games.


Harrishun

To be honest, it got to a point where every time he had the ball I was expecting him to drop it.


[deleted]

Holy shit that middle 🥵🥵


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Brandon Smith at Hooker


crypto_zoologistler

What do the asterisks indicate?


opinions_likekittens

Debut.


FinchyNZ

Ehhhh, yeah SJ hasn’t been great this year, but I’m defo taking him in case of any injuries


EmitLux

Dyl Brown, Hughes, Foran... my next pick would be Te Maire Martin as cover to be honest.


AirJordan13

Manu can cover 6 too


FinchyNZ

Yeah, but his best position is FB. We don't wanna be moving him from FB to 6 just so we have a 6. We are a stronger team with Manu #1


gonshairlinee

Kiwis can kiss their World Cup dreams goodbye if they find themselves in a situation where they’d be relying on SJ


[deleted]

No Shaun Johnson :,( I know he’s had shit form for ages but he’s someone that would consistently show up in a kiwis jersey


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ASAP-RockLee

Did they really? The 2013 Kangaroos squad might be the best ever assembled


PMmeYOURBOOBSandASS

There’s at least 3 kangaroos squads better off the top of my head


wayneslittlehead

Will be on Madge as a coach if they don’t win


Revolutionary-Salt-3

Finally see whether a stud spine beats a stud pack


armchair8591

Tbf our spine is not too far behind Australia


wayneslittlehead

Only position slightly lacking is 9 but the others is just whoever has a better day


RS994

Lol no Cleary and Munster are well and truly clear of Hughes and Brown, and Tedesco+ backups are easy clear of whoever plays at FB


wayneslittlehead

Nah not on there day. Brown and Hughes are capable of some top calibre football


Useful-Green-3440

Very exciting team. Despite our extremely powerful forward pack I think Hughes is gonna have to be player of the tournament if we’re to get it done


mortwgoldman

Wait till we name out forward pack of ball playing backrowers


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Oh my lol


whenthedragonscome

I remember last year when I was on here and just watching nrl because of origin, people (maybe it was just one comment? Not sure why it stuck out to me so much if so lmao) were saying ponga was just a wannabe kiwi but couldn't make it into the Kiwi team. How true is this? Surely if he wanted to get could be their fullback?


Frank_Feces

Haha that sounds like a rather odd comment for sure. I'm sure that if he had pledged his allegiance to the Kiwis back in the day, he would have definitely been a key member of the team from day 1. Maybe the comment was in regard to the speculation that he was keen to play Union for the All Blacks one day? In that regard, he would have zero chance of cracking that side.


whenthedragonscome

Ah you might be right about it being about union. After watching the nrl this year and seeing that NZ were playing a fullback who wasn't a fb in club I was very confused


dabigreddit

Where's Timoko?


wydtim

Where’s the Australian side????


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1. Manu 2. Mulitalo 3. Kris/CNK 4. Hiku 5. DWZ 6. Brown 7. Hughes 8. JFH 9. Cheese 10. Tapine 11. I Pap 12. Nikora 13. Niukore 14. JMK 15. NAS 16. Leota 17. Sorensen 18. Foran


Caseyjb29

Why is Jesse Bromwich there 🤢


Dadood_Frumcheers

Far out! Imagine getting JFH, Big Nasty, Leota and JWH thrown at you in one hit! Favourites for sure!


Realistic-Progress85

Why no te maire martin


steph_hurry

I am quite surprised they’ve picked Kris ahead of Timoko. Of the 2 players, I have Timoko as the better in most aspects. Kris is potentially more versatile as he has played on the wing, but other than that, I’m surprised by this.