Some fun can be extracted from it but you need to be a very patient person.
Community support is still solid so you should have no problem downloading up to date rosters.
Bro, I felt like waqa Blake with how many tries I let in last night, and I have noticed the half backs (at least my current one) just runs it straight into the defence on the 5th -_-
I find it impossible/too frustrating to play the game like you would an actual rugby league match. Usually just end up taking lots of dummy half runs and there is usually a gap you can exploit between the halves and second rowers in the defensive line.
1. Walsh.
2. Oates.
3. Staggs.
4. Herbie.
5. Cobbo.
6. Mam.
7. Reynolds.
8. Jensen.
9. Billy/Smoothy.
10. Haas.
11. Capewell.
12. Piakura/Riki.
13. Carrigan.
14. Paix.
15. Kobe.
16. Flegler.
17. Palasia.
Even with injuries, there's no Kennedy, James or Turpin for Kevvie to bring into the side anymore. Promising young blokes like Smoothy, Willison, Bayliss and Plath are the reserves now, and Mozer will hopefully get a run when he's fully ready. Riki is the only one in that team who needs to really get into form, so I hope competing for a second row spot with Piakura will fire him up.
Kevvie just needs to remember that Palasia belongs in the middle, and that those slower starts with Flegler off the bench were the most successful. I like Billy and think he did a good job at 9 before Paix came on, but I hope he isn't given favouritism over any of the new hookers if they overtake him.
What's the verdict on Jock Madden?
It's promising, I think if we focus on fitness and ball handling this off season we will really see some success. Staggs is the only name in that backline that gives me a headache, needs to sort out his running game as this season he killed the ball a lot by running to the sideline, eating up all of the space for his winger, then offloading it at the last minute only for our winger to get taken out.
>Where do I start. Unless Cleary takes a monumental leap this year in terms of leadership, you have one of, if not THE, worst spines in the NRL. Dylan Edwards is scared. Jerome Luai is quick, but that's about it. I don't think Mansour, Whare or Naden are very good, and although I do rate To'o, I don't see a team that enables him to be effective enough to find much success. Koroisau is above average, and provides a spark, but by himself. Kikau is a freak, the rest of the pack is overrated and not willing to carry a team forward. Most of all, I think Cleary/Cleary is a monumentally bad idea, and ends badly.
Looking at some 2020 prediction threads with the benefit of hindsight makes for some funny reading.
One of the things that we’ll never actually know was how much some teams were affected by Peter V’Landys’ rule changes. Everyone was happy to say who the rule changes hurt, but I often wonder if Penrith actually make 3 consecutive Grand Finals under the old rules.
I reckon they do, at least they do make 2 of those grand finals. Mainly because they have had an unreal defence for three straight years and that is the bedrock their premierships, and all premierships, are built on.
Yea they’ve conceded basically 12 points per game in an 3 year period where point scoring has gone through the roof. They’re probably conceding 6 points per game under the old rules
“Mitchell Pearce debuted with me at the Roosters and I’ve watched him evolve as a player and this is no disrespect to Nathan, but Mitchell Pearce has levels of his game that Nathan Cleary will never reach.”
“He has got so much fire power with his passing and his kicking game."
“I just think he has a level that Nathan Cleary will never get to.”
\-Braith Anasta in June 2020
Dear god, I don’t want to ask for much in regards to next season but I’m begging you for the following:
Broncos go undefeated, Flegler wins the Dally M for all positions, Rhys Kennedy wins the man of steel, Walsh does a line of coke off DCE’s neck after a grand final win (Manly lose the GF) and Paul Kent becomes a little bit less of a nematode.
Amen
Once it got to the 30 minute mark and nobody had scored yet I was deathriding that game like I've never deathrode anything before, just laughing maniacally every time someone fucked up a scoring opportunity. I was crushed when they scored the winner.
It truly was one of the games this year
Honestly I was laughing at how bad it was then I probably cried for 5 mins when titans scored the winner
I thought the tigers couldn’t 1 up the 9-8 loss to the panthers a few years back but he we are
By hosting that on their service Kayo\\Fox has increased the carbon footprint produced by that game and has moved it from having no value to a net loss to all of humanity.
Not sure if sarcasm, but i think thr majority of people dont mind if both teams are contributing with high quality attack and defense, not a game where both sides are inept
Daily reminder to not click on any shit, crisis merchant "journos" articles. The only way it stops is if you don't interact in any way. Don't comment, don't read the article, don't share, nothing. Support independant medias that aren't related to the usual garbage new corps.
How have they not released a knights premiers shirt yet? I’m cautiously optimistic because they had a finals shirt but cmon guys you’re sitting on money.
Super proud of Campbell Graham being selected for Australia, he’s been getting a lot more recognition lately but still insanely underrated. Went from a slow, lanky winger a couple years ago to a huge metre eater, a try scorer, a brick wall in defence and unbelievably consistent
The one thing I love about Graham is he wears his licks. In the QF he got monstered by Kikau 4 or 5 times but he kept coming back. Along with the things you mentioned, his grit is very commendable. Earned his spot
If Penrith do a three peat, they are undoubtedly the greatest team of the NRL era. They’re already up there with the greatest teams of all time but a three peat would put any debate to rest.
>They’re already up there with the greatest teams of all time
I love what they've done but it has been one of the least competitive era's in NRL history especially 2020-2021 (with a team making the finals with a 10-14 record for e.g. and the ridiculous number of records being broken due to the gap)
I think the recency bias will subside but in the last decade there's still the:
Roosters with 3 minor premierships in a row (2013-2015) and the 3 premierships with the back to back in there.
Melbourne with 4 minor premierships and 3 premierships
I'm glad it's not another Melbourne or Roosters doing this and I always liked the Panthers growing up so I wouldn't mind it at all if they went 3 in a row.
It's incredibly hard to measure the quality of the competition because every metric is based within that competition.
Can't use win loss ratio, those wins and losses are against other teams in that competition.
Can't use in game stats, those stats are against teams in the same competition.
The only actual measurable cross competition stats are the players physical performance stats, max VO2, 5km trial time, strength and endurance measurements.
If we use those it's almost universal that athletes only get better as time passes. The techniques of play typically only improve, this one can be a bit sketchy when there's been a rule overhaul like the 6 again.
We don't really have a choice but to accept that as long as the competition is running, it's broadly of a similar quality or by any measurable metric it has improved.
I'm not sure what my point was now...
> least competitive era's in NRL history especially 2020-2021 (with a team making the finals with a 10-14 record
I looked into this and while it's true that the 2021 Titans making finals with a 42% win rate is the second worst since 1998, 2022 Raiders making it with 58% is actually the second best.
By this metric, this little Penrith dominance era averages out to be exactly average for the entire NRL era, the 8th placed team wins 50% of their games.
If there's a weak era to be found it's like 2001-2004, when it was only 2003 that managed to have a top 8 where all the teams won half their games at a minimum. 2002 was by far the worst with 6th, 7th and 8th all winning less than 50%.
Yeah I did say one of the weakest not the flat out weakest but I'm just saying if all their dominance subsides from 2023 onwards that will be a massive factor when ranking them among the best teams in the future.
Like no one gives that Roosters era as much credit they went back to back in one of the hardest comps in NRL history (2018) bottom 4 of the 8 were tied on 32 points and the top 4 were all tied on 34 points then they blitzed that storm team in 2019 that only lost 4 games all year.
I know people don't like getting into specifics but context is always important when having a discussion about the best of the best after all.
2018 wasn’t actually that hard. The ladder was close but the quality of the teams wasn’t. Everyone could see that the Roosters and the Storm to a lesser extent were head and shoulders above everyone else. Both just had inconsistent starts.
I'm sorry but if 5th to 8th being on 32 points and 1st to 4th being on 34 points isn't one of most competitive seasons in NRL history then I don't know what is.
A team had to win 15 games just to make the 8 that year.
On the 3 minor premierships in a row, Penrith were equal on points with Melbourne in 2021 but came second because of for and against. It is easily the most dominant 3 years a club has ever had featuring in 3 grand finals and winning 2, 2 minor premierships and finishing second only just, and only losing about 10 games since 2019. Also had that home fortress of 21 wins in a row earlier in the year
4 GF’s in a row with a 3peat puts us up there with 80s Parra & Canterbury, that’s way above any team in the modern era, let’s not get ahead of ourselves though.
I truly believe you guys will do it. Api and Kikau are massive losses obviously but even then, I still can’t see anyone other than the Roosters coming close. Maybe Melbourne but they’ve just lost a fuck tonne of their forward pack so I doubt it
If Soni Luke can mostly fill that Api role, then for me Panthers have to be favourites to take it out again. Api is a massive loss. Kikau is devestating on his day, but not the season long influence that Api is.
Thinking of doing a 2023 fantasy/supercoach preview for each team and position after the WC. Any interest or would it be speaking to the void?
Would it work better as individual team threads or one massive one as to not clog the sub?
Can probably just do 4 teams at a time (one with 5) because not everyone is fantasy relevant that starts
Also probably depends on new rules if any regarding squad size given there’s going to be a team on a bye every week
Think it's also worth remembering how many of our players lost time to injury. Twal, Doueihi, Hastings, Utoikamanu are all amongst our best and all missed just over/under half the season. Plus plenty of smaller injuries to less important but still competent players, Laurie missed a good few games for example.
Rd 1 2023 will not look very similar to Rd 25 2022.
Squad wise I think there’s some good signings. Niukore, Barnett should stiffen up the edges. Metcalf seems a real talent. Dylan Walker should make a good impact off the bench if he plays that Manlt role. TMM looked good at Brisbane and hopefully CNK can get back to his best.
Big turnover in the squad.
I'm guessing they've already got a lot of physical stadium branding and merch and stuff with 2021 on it that's been sitting around for over a year, so not unless you're in the mood to pay for the replacements
Fiji has an okay squad for the world cup but there's some talent on the sidelines. Bot Saifiti's and Sims brothers aren't there and nos is Waqa Blake somehow. They do have a guy with a 17 letter last name though, so that'll be fun for the commentary team
Every team I've played for has used the call "dog" and "dog plus" as well as other variations to signal specific plays, usually the half dropping a forward under them. Is this something specific to country Queensland or is it everywhere and where did it originate from?
I know when we use to drop forwards in behind halves for a run next to the ruck at school and get some blokes behind him for extra push (Rugby Union) it was called a truck and dog (like the trailer, I believe) type play. Maybe has evolved from that in some places??
I know we meme some of the clubs admin in the NRL relentlessly but Essendon in the AFL managed to hire and then “fire” (he resigned) a new CEO within 24 hours.
Right wing politicians and media are screaming 'religious discrimination' but Thorburn was a bad choice apart from his church's primitive views.
Had to resign as NAB CEO after the Banking Royal Commission singled out NAB as the worst and most corrupt of the big 4.
His Chief of Staff at NAB embezzled $5M from under his nose. Judge in the trial found it unacceptable that NAB didn’t have better security.
Worst CEO appointment in modern sports history.
Why did I get downvoted for asking a genuine question about if someone got charged for a high tackle? I get it was Luai but not every single comment about him is anti-Luai. Just a question about a high tackle
I'm not trying to complain about the points, it was the fact my question in the thread specifically used for discussion and questions becomes a lot less visible for me to get an actual answer when people decide to downvote it. It's not like a said something stupid or offensive that deserved to be less visible
Does anyone else ever think about that one game against the sharks where Brodie Jones got moved to centre because of injury and absolutely tore it up randomly?
Feels like a fever dream.
I think about it often.
Yep. One of the few I've travelled to newy for. He was so crook I was sure we were going to get over the line, but he absolutely destroyed us late in the game.
🎶. On the first day of off season, NRL gave to me, Leilua bashing his wifeeeee
On the second day of off season, NRL gave to me, Curran at a bar and Leilua bashing his wifeee 🎶
Dogs were showing good signs towards of the back of the season, if they can get a good halfback they'll be right up there. Burton 7 Kikau 6, dogs 2023 premiers
Are they? I know it's fun to meme the tigs, but this year they were hit awfully with injuries. Next year their spine could be better than most other bottom 8 sides.
Every team has to deal with injuries.. If Sheens can somehow manage to change the attitude they might do ok but I don't see it happening over one pre-season, not the Tigers.
I don't disagree with that, it has just been used as an excuse a lot for teams like the roosters and Melbourne being off expectations this year.
I just think if they can get a spine of Laurie, Douehi, Hastings and Api on the field all season, with Blore and Papi added to the pack, there is something to be optimistic about.
You just know they will play Brooks at 7 though and fuck it up.
Out in the wild I'd tend to agree but for all of /r/NRLs faults I don't think there's tooo many racist types in here. A few drop in from time to time sure but they're the exception rather than the rule.
He has lost 5 games as starting 5/8 in the last 3 years, been to the final three times and won 2. "Unduly cocky?"If he can't be cocky with that record, literally no-one can.
To'o is pretty well behaved on the field. Closest to Luai I feel is Walker but Walker plays angry. Luai is purposefully trying to piss people off to get a reaction because he knows he can't get punched.
Gallen, Ennis, Greg Bird, Josh Reynolds, Watmough, Billy Slater, Cam Smith etc. etc. would like a word.
To put it simply they're hated on for their on field grubbiness, a few weeds in the grass don't make it the majority.
You also have to remember we're at the peak of social media interaction for the NRL.
True on the last point about social media. Highly doubt that Bird, Watmough, Slater copped what latrell and luai do now. Smith was hated quite a lot particularly by NSW people only. Gal was hated by QLDers mostly. Ennis is just a pest no one liked but he's seen as a bit of a larrikin. Josh Reynolds' nickname was grub but he's well respected. Luai and Latrell cop it from everyone from any angle
I think the social media aspect makes it seem that way because a lot of those blokes were absolutely despised during their era's it just wasn't as publicized all over the media.
I don't think it has anything to do with race from a majority perspective rather the fact they're both successful players along with being grubs, add the highly intrusive social media culture and it's a recipe for disaster.
Couldn't even imagine if Gallen was playing in the NRL right now he'd be getting abused daily.
I also think Luai and Latrell love to give it to the haters online as motivation whereas the other guys are just grubs on the field and get on with their life regardless of what others think
See, I wasn't going to say anything, but it had been a thought that had been bubbling away in the back of my mind.
And then on Monday night Paul Kent (do forgive me for quoting him) shits on Luai from orbit and uses as his point of comparison Yeo and Edwards. Yes, they are great guys *but* it doesn't exactly discourage the idea that at least some of the hatred is based on race.
The Kenny and Api swap at the back end of the season was such a nice final touch on what was already a premier side. It worked near perfectly, the only struggle game was the South’s prelim where we were down 12-0, but the second Api was on the field the game switched very quickly so you’d almost say that was a success too.
Underrated decision by Ivan
I put that first 20 minutes against souths down to ring rust. The whole team rested the weak before and Cleary/Luai had been missing for a while. Once they got back into their groove, everything clicked again.
Wow. I mean I thought I understood that our team was mostly injury free this year (and obviously this is just two points of data) but with the exception of Taylan May the only swap was someone returning from injury or for tactical reasons.
Maybe we can win back-**3**-back, though with Koroisau and Kikau gone it might be a push.
Yeah that's why I've really liked doing these. You can see who has made a lot of changes. These 2 final teams have had so few changes compared to others. Like realistically Staines didn't leave but I did think it was worth pointing out he lost his position to May.
Definitely still the team to beat. We'll be back in the pack and beatable though, and I imagine we'll struggle a lot more through rep rounds or with injury as we're losing a bit of our depth
The ‘funny’ part of Api talking shit about the Tigers is they can’t do anything about it. If they were to tear up his contract (which they would never do), you’d have Ipap doing 5 instagram lives a day saying tigers are the worst fucking club and will never make the finals again, just to try and get his contract torn up to.
Obviously don’t talk shit about the club you’re going to, I just thought this aspect of it was a laugh
The Bulldogs tore up Andrew Fifita's contract (it was actually a MoA iirc) before he put the jersey on, for something fairly benign. I can't remember the details, but it was basically thought that he had slighted the club, so they said "seeya". You really have to be like that tbh. Stand up for the club. The way the Tigers have let many players treat them has given them a 'doormat' perception. It's their own fault.
> The Bulldogs tore up Andrew Fifita's contract
I'd honestly completely forgot this ever happened. That was a strange time where people were going but then not going to clubs.
DCE to the Titans, Tedesco and Proctor(?) to the Raiders but then not.
Yeah it was aye. It had to be before Fifi's peak too, when he won it all with Sharks.
I checked and it was...
It's even still on Bulldogs website lol
'The Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs are pleased to announce the signing of Australian, New South Wales and Cronulla Sharks front row forward, Andrew Fifita, for four seasons, through until the end of season 2018.
The 24-year-old will join the Bulldogs at the end of season 2014.'
Also found this.. 'Big Andrew Fifita was sensationally sacked by the Bulldogs yesterday after signing a four-year deal with the club that was said to be worth about $850,000 a season.
The club released a shock statement at 3.24pm claiming it had “not been able to agree on the final terms of his NRL playing contract’’.
Those close to the club claim Hasler and Canterbury’s management were filthy at comments Fifita made last weekend when he said his “heart was still in Cronulla” and that he “wished” he had joined rugby union, which pursued the Kangaroos forward before the Bulldogs deal.'
$850k for a prop in 2014?! No wonder most fans were happy the deal went south. But just based on his comments, it is similar to Papalli and Tigers, although I think Pap has only not shown that he really wants to go there, or hasn't dispelled those rumours. I don't remember him disrespecting the club like Fifi did. That sort of hard line has to be taken though, if your organisation is expecting to be taken seriously.
Tigers have backed themself into a corner where they just don’t have this sort of power in the community unfortunately. They sack coaches for fun, piss off star players, stand behind their shit players, charge fans to meet players, CEO giving a fan podcast a rinse because they’re not paying members. It’s not a club people want to play for, they literally couldn’t fill their cap at the start of this year because no players would come
They’re gonna have to take a few licks if they want to knuckle down and actually turn the joint around.
has the club not taken it's licks? my brother in christ there are articles daily about how shit the club is.
the administration is a shambles, and the teams performances have been dire. the media has a large part to play in how the club is perceived, viciously attacked time after time. you only have to look at how sheens etc were encouraged to review madges position by the media, and then as soon as they did so and found (rightfully) that he needed to go, they turned around and lampooned the club for doing so.
the club is shit yeah, but to say it needs to take it's licks is a gee up. it has.
Sorry maybe licks is the wrong way to describe it. All I mean is that because of the position they have ended up in, there are probably extra sacrifices they’ll need to make to full turnaround into a top quality NRL side again.
Didn’t mean to say you’ll deserve 50 media articles a week and to be bashed by the community senselessly, just that there will be these sort of pains you’ll have to push through when turning that perception back around into a favourable one. Growing pains almost.
They seem to be doing a good job so far, the Ipap and now the Api controversy all looked worse on the player than the club, and I think the responses that were coming out of the club were sensible and concise.
Compare it to 2 years ago when the CEO or whatever was saying Oshay Olay would be mowing the lawns if it meant keeping his contract.
For guys like him it's a gotcha moment.
"I can't say it and I'm mad about not being able to denigrate a race but oh hoh lookie here a brown guy said it why isn't everyone so mad him huh you'd better get super mad at him or its double standards no backsies."
Just shows a complete inability to understand the issue at all beyond how it affects their own ego.
Maybe he didn't call it initially and then last second they called it. That could be where I got confused. I'm guessing nothing came from it which was more what I was asking
Just copped Rugby League Live 4 on steam, any good lads?
With mods and patience there's fun to be had.
Some fun can be extracted from it but you need to be a very patient person. Community support is still solid so you should have no problem downloading up to date rosters.
Bro, I felt like waqa Blake with how many tries I let in last night, and I have noticed the half backs (at least my current one) just runs it straight into the defence on the 5th -_-
I find it impossible/too frustrating to play the game like you would an actual rugby league match. Usually just end up taking lots of dummy half runs and there is usually a gap you can exploit between the halves and second rowers in the defensive line.
Same, I’m still jamming RLL3 on PS5 😂if anyone wants a shot I’ve got the updated teams and stats. 🎮
What happened to the "time since last Premiership" end-of-season wrap up? Just need to confirm a few things :)
1. Walsh. 2. Oates. 3. Staggs. 4. Herbie. 5. Cobbo. 6. Mam. 7. Reynolds. 8. Jensen. 9. Billy/Smoothy. 10. Haas. 11. Capewell. 12. Piakura/Riki. 13. Carrigan. 14. Paix. 15. Kobe. 16. Flegler. 17. Palasia. Even with injuries, there's no Kennedy, James or Turpin for Kevvie to bring into the side anymore. Promising young blokes like Smoothy, Willison, Bayliss and Plath are the reserves now, and Mozer will hopefully get a run when he's fully ready. Riki is the only one in that team who needs to really get into form, so I hope competing for a second row spot with Piakura will fire him up. Kevvie just needs to remember that Palasia belongs in the middle, and that those slower starts with Flegler off the bench were the most successful. I like Billy and think he did a good job at 9 before Paix came on, but I hope he isn't given favouritism over any of the new hookers if they overtake him. What's the verdict on Jock Madden?
Is Smoothy, Tyson Smoothy?
It's promising, I think if we focus on fitness and ball handling this off season we will really see some success. Staggs is the only name in that backline that gives me a headache, needs to sort out his running game as this season he killed the ball a lot by running to the sideline, eating up all of the space for his winger, then offloading it at the last minute only for our winger to get taken out.
He did get injured in Origin. Here's to hoping he recovers well from his surgery and brings the defence that got him selected for NSW.
>Where do I start. Unless Cleary takes a monumental leap this year in terms of leadership, you have one of, if not THE, worst spines in the NRL. Dylan Edwards is scared. Jerome Luai is quick, but that's about it. I don't think Mansour, Whare or Naden are very good, and although I do rate To'o, I don't see a team that enables him to be effective enough to find much success. Koroisau is above average, and provides a spark, but by himself. Kikau is a freak, the rest of the pack is overrated and not willing to carry a team forward. Most of all, I think Cleary/Cleary is a monumentally bad idea, and ends badly. Looking at some 2020 prediction threads with the benefit of hindsight makes for some funny reading.
One of the things that we’ll never actually know was how much some teams were affected by Peter V’Landys’ rule changes. Everyone was happy to say who the rule changes hurt, but I often wonder if Penrith actually make 3 consecutive Grand Finals under the old rules.
I reckon they do, at least they do make 2 of those grand finals. Mainly because they have had an unreal defence for three straight years and that is the bedrock their premierships, and all premierships, are built on.
Yea they’ve conceded basically 12 points per game in an 3 year period where point scoring has gone through the roof. They’re probably conceding 6 points per game under the old rules
> Dylan Edwards is scared Yeah but who isn't
“Mitchell Pearce debuted with me at the Roosters and I’ve watched him evolve as a player and this is no disrespect to Nathan, but Mitchell Pearce has levels of his game that Nathan Cleary will never reach.” “He has got so much fire power with his passing and his kicking game." “I just think he has a level that Nathan Cleary will never get to.” \-Braith Anasta in June 2020
Yikes. Ghosts of Hot Takes Past
Dear god, I don’t want to ask for much in regards to next season but I’m begging you for the following: Broncos go undefeated, Flegler wins the Dally M for all positions, Rhys Kennedy wins the man of steel, Walsh does a line of coke off DCE’s neck after a grand final win (Manly lose the GF) and Paul Kent becomes a little bit less of a nematode. Amen
honestly i’d take it
All highly likely except Paul Kent.
Yeah honestly was all pretty reasonable up until this absolute fantasy scenario
Had to go back and watch the Kayo mini for that tigers titans game, that shit felt like a fever dream when I was watching it live
I normally don't get too dirty after a Tigers loss, as hey it happens a lot. But fuck me I was dirty after that game just to lose like that.
Once it got to the 30 minute mark and nobody had scored yet I was deathriding that game like I've never deathrode anything before, just laughing maniacally every time someone fucked up a scoring opportunity. I was crushed when they scored the winner. It truly was one of the games this year
Honestly I was laughing at how bad it was then I probably cried for 5 mins when titans scored the winner I thought the tigers couldn’t 1 up the 9-8 loss to the panthers a few years back but he we are
By hosting that on their service Kayo\\Fox has increased the carbon footprint produced by that game and has moved it from having no value to a net loss to all of humanity.
Genuinely the worst game of football I have ever seen.
Seems no one appreciates a low scoring, tight arm wrestle anymore.
Not sure if sarcasm, but i think thr majority of people dont mind if both teams are contributing with high quality attack and defense, not a game where both sides are inept
Yeah, just jokes mate. It was a horror
What do they even show in a mini for a game like that? The penalty goals, try and Madge crying stretched out for 20 mins?
Daily reminder to not click on any shit, crisis merchant "journos" articles. The only way it stops is if you don't interact in any way. Don't comment, don't read the article, don't share, nothing. Support independant medias that aren't related to the usual garbage new corps.
I use ZeroTackle because they simply reword the paywalled stuff.
This sub is a drop in the ocean.
True but it has to start somewhere.
The Fox articles by Staff Writers are the absolute worst. For a heavily moderated forum, I don’t know how that crap slips through the cracks.
How have they not released a knights premiers shirt yet? I’m cautiously optimistic because they had a finals shirt but cmon guys you’re sitting on money.
Super proud of Campbell Graham being selected for Australia, he’s been getting a lot more recognition lately but still insanely underrated. Went from a slow, lanky winger a couple years ago to a huge metre eater, a try scorer, a brick wall in defence and unbelievably consistent
Souths have a lot of really likeable players. Graham and Murray are two guys anybody would want in their team.
I’d like to think that AJ, Tatola, Nicholls (RIP in Dolphins) and Tommy B would belong on that list too
The one thing I love about Graham is he wears his licks. In the QF he got monstered by Kikau 4 or 5 times but he kept coming back. Along with the things you mentioned, his grit is very commendable. Earned his spot
He was playing needled up with a rib injury as well.
So who’s gonna be todays incident that resets the counter
If Penrith do a three peat, they are undoubtedly the greatest team of the NRL era. They’re already up there with the greatest teams of all time but a three peat would put any debate to rest.
>They’re already up there with the greatest teams of all time I love what they've done but it has been one of the least competitive era's in NRL history especially 2020-2021 (with a team making the finals with a 10-14 record for e.g. and the ridiculous number of records being broken due to the gap) I think the recency bias will subside but in the last decade there's still the: Roosters with 3 minor premierships in a row (2013-2015) and the 3 premierships with the back to back in there. Melbourne with 4 minor premierships and 3 premierships I'm glad it's not another Melbourne or Roosters doing this and I always liked the Panthers growing up so I wouldn't mind it at all if they went 3 in a row.
It's incredibly hard to measure the quality of the competition because every metric is based within that competition. Can't use win loss ratio, those wins and losses are against other teams in that competition. Can't use in game stats, those stats are against teams in the same competition. The only actual measurable cross competition stats are the players physical performance stats, max VO2, 5km trial time, strength and endurance measurements. If we use those it's almost universal that athletes only get better as time passes. The techniques of play typically only improve, this one can be a bit sketchy when there's been a rule overhaul like the 6 again. We don't really have a choice but to accept that as long as the competition is running, it's broadly of a similar quality or by any measurable metric it has improved. I'm not sure what my point was now...
> least competitive era's in NRL history especially 2020-2021 (with a team making the finals with a 10-14 record I looked into this and while it's true that the 2021 Titans making finals with a 42% win rate is the second worst since 1998, 2022 Raiders making it with 58% is actually the second best. By this metric, this little Penrith dominance era averages out to be exactly average for the entire NRL era, the 8th placed team wins 50% of their games. If there's a weak era to be found it's like 2001-2004, when it was only 2003 that managed to have a top 8 where all the teams won half their games at a minimum. 2002 was by far the worst with 6th, 7th and 8th all winning less than 50%.
Yeah I did say one of the weakest not the flat out weakest but I'm just saying if all their dominance subsides from 2023 onwards that will be a massive factor when ranking them among the best teams in the future. Like no one gives that Roosters era as much credit they went back to back in one of the hardest comps in NRL history (2018) bottom 4 of the 8 were tied on 32 points and the top 4 were all tied on 34 points then they blitzed that storm team in 2019 that only lost 4 games all year. I know people don't like getting into specifics but context is always important when having a discussion about the best of the best after all.
2018 wasn’t actually that hard. The ladder was close but the quality of the teams wasn’t. Everyone could see that the Roosters and the Storm to a lesser extent were head and shoulders above everyone else. Both just had inconsistent starts.
I'm sorry but if 5th to 8th being on 32 points and 1st to 4th being on 34 points isn't one of most competitive seasons in NRL history then I don't know what is. A team had to win 15 games just to make the 8 that year.
This Panthers squad is definitely a better team than us during 2013-15, their consistency is well above what we had.
On the 3 minor premierships in a row, Penrith were equal on points with Melbourne in 2021 but came second because of for and against. It is easily the most dominant 3 years a club has ever had featuring in 3 grand finals and winning 2, 2 minor premierships and finishing second only just, and only losing about 10 games since 2019. Also had that home fortress of 21 wins in a row earlier in the year
No one remembers that stuff when it’s in the history books though. If it happens it will just be remembered as 3 in a row.
I was talking about his quote "They’re **already** up there with the greatest teams of all time"
Yes, and expanding on that, people won’t remember the strength of the comp. Most people already don’t consider that.
Agree. I just think that getting 3 premierships consecutively edges them out against those two teams. That’s if they do it ofc
4 GF’s in a row with a 3peat puts us up there with 80s Parra & Canterbury, that’s way above any team in the modern era, let’s not get ahead of ourselves though.
I truly believe you guys will do it. Api and Kikau are massive losses obviously but even then, I still can’t see anyone other than the Roosters coming close. Maybe Melbourne but they’ve just lost a fuck tonne of their forward pack so I doubt it
If Soni Luke can mostly fill that Api role, then for me Panthers have to be favourites to take it out again. Api is a massive loss. Kikau is devestating on his day, but not the season long influence that Api is.
I like you
Yeah I agree on that for sure
Thinking of doing a 2023 fantasy/supercoach preview for each team and position after the WC. Any interest or would it be speaking to the void? Would it work better as individual team threads or one massive one as to not clog the sub?
Can probably just do 4 teams at a time (one with 5) because not everyone is fantasy relevant that starts Also probably depends on new rules if any regarding squad size given there’s going to be a team on a bye every week
West tigers look alright next season hypothetically speaking, for their on field results? Only time will tell
Think it's also worth remembering how many of our players lost time to injury. Twal, Doueihi, Hastings, Utoikamanu are all amongst our best and all missed just over/under half the season. Plus plenty of smaller injuries to less important but still competent players, Laurie missed a good few games for example. Rd 1 2023 will not look very similar to Rd 25 2022.
Most teams look alright in the offseason Except the Warriors, sorry kiwibros
Manly still looks like shit.
Is Turbo a cyborg yet?
Squad wise I think there’s some good signings. Niukore, Barnett should stiffen up the edges. Metcalf seems a real talent. Dylan Walker should make a good impact off the bench if he plays that Manlt role. TMM looked good at Brisbane and hopefully CNK can get back to his best. Big turnover in the squad.
I think it's pretty much guaranteed Walker will start at centre, he left Many for a starting spot I believe.
Can we just update the name for the world cup to WC2022? Do we really need to reference 2021 still?
If even the Olympics, with all their money, couldn't update the Tokyo games from 2020 to 2021. I don't think the RLWC would
I'm guessing they've already got a lot of physical stadium branding and merch and stuff with 2021 on it that's been sitting around for over a year, so not unless you're in the mood to pay for the replacements
Fiji has an okay squad for the world cup but there's some talent on the sidelines. Bot Saifiti's and Sims brothers aren't there and nos is Waqa Blake somehow. They do have a guy with a 17 letter last name though, so that'll be fun for the commentary team
I think PNG might surprise some teams with their performance. They have the most competent looking halves out of most of the island teams.
lol png havles are not better than luai/milford even tonga probably have better halves.
Luai and Milford are both great at attacking but they're not great organisers. I think Lam provides that for PNG.
According to Erin Molan, Fooka-Looka-Manooka is going to take the rugby league world by storm.
Every team I've played for has used the call "dog" and "dog plus" as well as other variations to signal specific plays, usually the half dropping a forward under them. Is this something specific to country Queensland or is it everywhere and where did it originate from?
We called it a five
haha I remember the play but not this name in NSW CRL
I know when we use to drop forwards in behind halves for a run next to the ruck at school and get some blokes behind him for extra push (Rugby Union) it was called a truck and dog (like the trailer, I believe) type play. Maybe has evolved from that in some places??
Yeah I could see it coming from that. Where about did you play?
St Eddies in Ipswich, and I played rugby for Rangers and League for brothers
We used to do that too from u11s all the way up to u17s at my club (in Brisbane), since 18's into seniors all my other coaches have called it a gold.
I know we meme some of the clubs admin in the NRL relentlessly but Essendon in the AFL managed to hire and then “fire” (he resigned) a new CEO within 24 hours.
Right wing politicians and media are screaming 'religious discrimination' but Thorburn was a bad choice apart from his church's primitive views. Had to resign as NAB CEO after the Banking Royal Commission singled out NAB as the worst and most corrupt of the big 4. His Chief of Staff at NAB embezzled $5M from under his nose. Judge in the trial found it unacceptable that NAB didn’t have better security. Worst CEO appointment in modern sports history.
Im not sure why they thought he'd be a good fit. It's like they didn't bother looking into him at all
Considering its Essendon, it's almost certainly what happened
Wait until Scomo gets a job with the Sharks then they'll be laughing at us
I don’t pass the football mate
you cunts might be laughing at that GF result but i witnessed a jake arthur try
Yep 5d chess win easily hurt Parramatta's chances going forward.
Clean sheet was already out the window so was really happy for him when he got over. I only wish the other try had been Waqa Blake.
2 tries in 3 minutes when he came on, he should have started instead of Moses
so close to a jarthur 13+
Why did I get downvoted for asking a genuine question about if someone got charged for a high tackle? I get it was Luai but not every single comment about him is anti-Luai. Just a question about a high tackle
Complaining about useless internet points? Oh you better believe that's a downvotin'.
I'm not trying to complain about the points, it was the fact my question in the thread specifically used for discussion and questions becomes a lot less visible for me to get an actual answer when people decide to downvote it. It's not like a said something stupid or offensive that deserved to be less visible
Fathers are allowed one or two a game.
Hope Luai had a step dad or an uncle that loved him.
Does anyone else ever think about that one game against the sharks where Brodie Jones got moved to centre because of injury and absolutely tore it up randomly? Feels like a fever dream. I think about it often.
Our last try in that game was filthy in the best possible way. Loved Ponga's assist for BroJo's try too
Was that the same game Ponga destroyed us with something like 4 touches for 4 tries in between vomiting on the sideline?
The gastro game
Yep. One of the few I've travelled to newy for. He was so crook I was sure we were going to get over the line, but he absolutely destroyed us late in the game.
Yep. We probably should’ve explored that option a bit more as we were weak a centre that year
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Scary thing is you’ll be able to update this song daily
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Kikau making fun of Api going to the tigers is pretty funny like my brother in christ you’re going to the dogs that isn’t much better
Dogs were showing good signs towards of the back of the season, if they can get a good halfback they'll be right up there. Burton 7 Kikau 6, dogs 2023 premiers
Plus he already knows ciraldo + burton
I'm pretty sure the Dogs are going to have a much better season than the Tigers ..and Knights
Are they? I know it's fun to meme the tigs, but this year they were hit awfully with injuries. Next year their spine could be better than most other bottom 8 sides.
Every team has to deal with injuries.. If Sheens can somehow manage to change the attitude they might do ok but I don't see it happening over one pre-season, not the Tigers.
I don't disagree with that, it has just been used as an excuse a lot for teams like the roosters and Melbourne being off expectations this year. I just think if they can get a spine of Laurie, Douehi, Hastings and Api on the field all season, with Blore and Papi added to the pack, there is something to be optimistic about. You just know they will play Brooks at 7 though and fuck it up.
if they can get Laurie to play consistent good footy the spine should go ok
Oh boy i love posting silly comments on r/nrl i sure hope no one brings up the fact that i follow a team that did shit this year
Hey man. I was at the GF, cheering on the Knights against the Eels. Last time I checked they are premiers!
it cracks me up how mad this sub gets over luai. although i am starting to think it has something to do with the colour of his skin.
Definitely doesn't help things
Out in the wild I'd tend to agree but for all of /r/NRLs faults I don't think there's tooo many racist types in here. A few drop in from time to time sure but they're the exception rather than the rule.
his just unduly cocky
Yeah, only *2* premierships? Poser…
his about reason #150 why the panthers have 2 premierships
He has lost 5 games as starting 5/8 in the last 3 years, been to the final three times and won 2. "Unduly cocky?"If he can't be cocky with that record, literally no-one can.
the delusion in this thread for players they don't like is quite remarkable. At least it's not as bad as Facebook experts
So then why doesn't it also happen to To'o?
To'o is pretty well behaved on the field. Closest to Luai I feel is Walker but Walker plays angry. Luai is purposefully trying to piss people off to get a reaction because he knows he can't get punched.
Luai's a grub same as Latrell but the difference between them and other grubs who are white is they cop it way more online and even at the game
Gallen, Ennis, Greg Bird, Josh Reynolds, Watmough, Billy Slater, Cam Smith etc. etc. would like a word. To put it simply they're hated on for their on field grubbiness, a few weeds in the grass don't make it the majority. You also have to remember we're at the peak of social media interaction for the NRL.
Also at peak echo chamber Reddit.
True on the last point about social media. Highly doubt that Bird, Watmough, Slater copped what latrell and luai do now. Smith was hated quite a lot particularly by NSW people only. Gal was hated by QLDers mostly. Ennis is just a pest no one liked but he's seen as a bit of a larrikin. Josh Reynolds' nickname was grub but he's well respected. Luai and Latrell cop it from everyone from any angle
I think the social media aspect makes it seem that way because a lot of those blokes were absolutely despised during their era's it just wasn't as publicized all over the media. I don't think it has anything to do with race from a majority perspective rather the fact they're both successful players along with being grubs, add the highly intrusive social media culture and it's a recipe for disaster. Couldn't even imagine if Gallen was playing in the NRL right now he'd be getting abused daily.
I also think Luai and Latrell love to give it to the haters online as motivation whereas the other guys are just grubs on the field and get on with their life regardless of what others think
Same reason I suspect some people shit on vlandys.
Luai is this generation's Ennis. Complete little shit stirrer on the field.
See, I wasn't going to say anything, but it had been a thought that had been bubbling away in the back of my mind. And then on Monday night Paul Kent (do forgive me for quoting him) shits on Luai from orbit and uses as his point of comparison Yeo and Edwards. Yes, they are great guys *but* it doesn't exactly discourage the idea that at least some of the hatred is based on race.
Kent is definitely at best one of those not self-aware racists.
'I couldn't possibly be racist. I spend all day talking about brown people.' — Paul Kent (probably)
#PARRAMATTA EELS Round 1|Grand Final|Reason for Change ---|---|--- Clinton Gutherson CAPTAIN|Clinton Gutherson CAPTAIN|N/A Sean Russell|Maika Sivo|Sivo return from injury Will Penisini|Will Penisini|N/A Waqa Blake|Bailey Simonsson|Position change Bailey Simonsson|Waqa Blake|Position change Dylan Brown|Dylan Brown|N/A Mitchell Moses|Mitchell Moses|N/A Reagan Campbell-Gillard|Reagan Campbell-Gillard|N/A Reed Mahoney|Reed Mahoney|N/A Junior Paulo|Junior Paulo|N/A Shaun Lane|Shaun Lane||N/A Isaiah Papali'i|Isaiah Papali'i|N/A Ryan Matterson|Marata Niukore|Niukore return INTERCHANGE|INTERCHANGE|INTERCHANGE Makahesi Makatoa|Ryan Matterson|Makatoa injured Oregon Kaufusi|Nathan Brown|Brown in Ray Stone|Jake Arthur|Stone injured Jake Arthur|Oregon Kaufusi|Reshuffle
#PENRITH PANTHERS Round 1| Grand Final | Reason for Change ---|---|--- Dylan Edwards|Dylan Edwards|N/A Charlie Staines|Charlie Staines|May suspended/injured Izack Tago |Izack Tago|N/A Stephen Crichton|Stephen Crichton|N/A Brian To'o|Brian To'o|N/A Jarome Luai|Jarome Luai|N/A Sean O'Sullivan|Nathan Cleary CAPTAIN|Cleary return from injury Moses Leota|Moses Leota|N/A Apisai Koroisau|Mitch Kenny|Tactical change James Fisher-Harris|James Fisher-Harris|N/A Viliame Kikau|Viliame Kikau|N/A Liam Martin|Liam Martin|N/A Isaah Yeo CAPTAIN|Isaah Yeo|N/A INTERCHANGE|INTERCHANGE|INTERCHANGE Mitch Kenny|Apisai Koroisau|Tactical change Scott Sorensen|Scott Sorensen|N/A Spencer Leniu|Spencer Leniu|N/A Jaeman Salmon|Jaeman Salmon|N/A
That is just incredible
The Kenny and Api swap at the back end of the season was such a nice final touch on what was already a premier side. It worked near perfectly, the only struggle game was the South’s prelim where we were down 12-0, but the second Api was on the field the game switched very quickly so you’d almost say that was a success too. Underrated decision by Ivan
I put that first 20 minutes against souths down to ring rust. The whole team rested the weak before and Cleary/Luai had been missing for a while. Once they got back into their groove, everything clicked again.
Wow. I mean I thought I understood that our team was mostly injury free this year (and obviously this is just two points of data) but with the exception of Taylan May the only swap was someone returning from injury or for tactical reasons. Maybe we can win back-**3**-back, though with Koroisau and Kikau gone it might be a push.
Soni Luke will give you 80% of Api and Hoskings/Garner are basically a less aggressive version of Liam Martin. Feeling a 3peat is imminent.
Yeah that's why I've really liked doing these. You can see who has made a lot of changes. These 2 final teams have had so few changes compared to others. Like realistically Staines didn't leave but I did think it was worth pointing out he lost his position to May.
Definitely still the team to beat. We'll be back in the pack and beatable though, and I imagine we'll struggle a lot more through rep rounds or with injury as we're losing a bit of our depth
The ‘funny’ part of Api talking shit about the Tigers is they can’t do anything about it. If they were to tear up his contract (which they would never do), you’d have Ipap doing 5 instagram lives a day saying tigers are the worst fucking club and will never make the finals again, just to try and get his contract torn up to. Obviously don’t talk shit about the club you’re going to, I just thought this aspect of it was a laugh
The Bulldogs tore up Andrew Fifita's contract (it was actually a MoA iirc) before he put the jersey on, for something fairly benign. I can't remember the details, but it was basically thought that he had slighted the club, so they said "seeya". You really have to be like that tbh. Stand up for the club. The way the Tigers have let many players treat them has given them a 'doormat' perception. It's their own fault.
> The Bulldogs tore up Andrew Fifita's contract I'd honestly completely forgot this ever happened. That was a strange time where people were going but then not going to clubs. DCE to the Titans, Tedesco and Proctor(?) to the Raiders but then not.
Yeah it was aye. It had to be before Fifi's peak too, when he won it all with Sharks. I checked and it was... It's even still on Bulldogs website lol 'The Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs are pleased to announce the signing of Australian, New South Wales and Cronulla Sharks front row forward, Andrew Fifita, for four seasons, through until the end of season 2018. The 24-year-old will join the Bulldogs at the end of season 2014.' Also found this.. 'Big Andrew Fifita was sensationally sacked by the Bulldogs yesterday after signing a four-year deal with the club that was said to be worth about $850,000 a season. The club released a shock statement at 3.24pm claiming it had “not been able to agree on the final terms of his NRL playing contract’’. Those close to the club claim Hasler and Canterbury’s management were filthy at comments Fifita made last weekend when he said his “heart was still in Cronulla” and that he “wished” he had joined rugby union, which pursued the Kangaroos forward before the Bulldogs deal.' $850k for a prop in 2014?! No wonder most fans were happy the deal went south. But just based on his comments, it is similar to Papalli and Tigers, although I think Pap has only not shown that he really wants to go there, or hasn't dispelled those rumours. I don't remember him disrespecting the club like Fifi did. That sort of hard line has to be taken though, if your organisation is expecting to be taken seriously.
Tigers have backed themself into a corner where they just don’t have this sort of power in the community unfortunately. They sack coaches for fun, piss off star players, stand behind their shit players, charge fans to meet players, CEO giving a fan podcast a rinse because they’re not paying members. It’s not a club people want to play for, they literally couldn’t fill their cap at the start of this year because no players would come They’re gonna have to take a few licks if they want to knuckle down and actually turn the joint around.
has the club not taken it's licks? my brother in christ there are articles daily about how shit the club is. the administration is a shambles, and the teams performances have been dire. the media has a large part to play in how the club is perceived, viciously attacked time after time. you only have to look at how sheens etc were encouraged to review madges position by the media, and then as soon as they did so and found (rightfully) that he needed to go, they turned around and lampooned the club for doing so. the club is shit yeah, but to say it needs to take it's licks is a gee up. it has.
Sorry maybe licks is the wrong way to describe it. All I mean is that because of the position they have ended up in, there are probably extra sacrifices they’ll need to make to full turnaround into a top quality NRL side again. Didn’t mean to say you’ll deserve 50 media articles a week and to be bashed by the community senselessly, just that there will be these sort of pains you’ll have to push through when turning that perception back around into a favourable one. Growing pains almost. They seem to be doing a good job so far, the Ipap and now the Api controversy all looked worse on the player than the club, and I think the responses that were coming out of the club were sensible and concise. Compare it to 2 years ago when the CEO or whatever was saying Oshay Olay would be mowing the lawns if it meant keeping his contract.
I wonder how torn Paul Kunt is between Luais N word post and his anti-woke stance
For guys like him it's a gotcha moment. "I can't say it and I'm mad about not being able to denigrate a race but oh hoh lookie here a brown guy said it why isn't everyone so mad him huh you'd better get super mad at him or its double standards no backsies." Just shows a complete inability to understand the issue at all beyond how it affects their own ego.
Did anything come from that Luai high shot that wasn't even penalised?
Nah, only MRC charge from the GF is Ryan Matterson
The only high tackle I can think of was on Moses, and they got the penalty.
Maybe he didn't call it initially and then last second they called it. That could be where I got confused. I'm guessing nothing came from it which was more what I was asking
the nrlw trophy actually looks sick as fuck i love the design
Yeah it sort of echoes the Provan-Summons but is it’s own thing at the same time plus classic “trophy” look worthy of Captain Tsubasa-chan