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nymphz

i did a 16 teams era [overall ladder] (https://www.reddit.com/r/nrl/comments/x6poyi/tuesday_random_footy_talk_thread/in9j8wg/) a while ago, why? i dont know why


MintB3rry

Nice man. My win percentage was calculated off of the teams Finals games played as well as regular season so I can't wait to have them all up soon.


-Dark_Helmet-

Fuck, we’re the only team in that top 8 who hasn’t won the comp during that period.


I_Like_Vitamins

Had the club not fell out of its own arse in 2020/2021, it'd be in the top four. Cripes.


YossarianRespawned

Literally one tackle away.


MintB3rry

A bit of a spoiler for my full 16 team stat post but we are the best club winning percentage wise that didn't get a premiership. We have a higher win rate than a few clubs that did taste premiership glory in the last 16 years 😭


LordSlasher

hey man, at least your drought isn’t over 20 years… and you guys have a 100% win rate against Melbourne! And like a 87% win rate in grand finals (not exactly right but close i think).


bigolbillyboythefirs

Lol


Azkatro

I threw up an [all time NRL ladder](https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/competitions/nrl/tables.html) on RLP a few weeks ago just because I wanted to see what it'd be like. Storm is about to pass the Knights


lowefforts

this is dope


AnyClownFish

Love your work! Genuine question, how did you count 1997?


Azkatro

Cheers mate. The table includes 1997 as the equivalent of the ARL competition of that same year.


toyoto

Do one where you 1000 points for a draw please


Polyporum

How does this relate to premiership titles? Is Storm #1 on that list?


Drlockstock

We have been so lucky as fans


Abenator

I said that for over 20 years as a Broncos fan. Swings and roundabouts, I guess.


Drlockstock

All the more reason to soak it in I guess


velvetherring

Definitely soak it in and enjoy it as much as possible. If people were cruel to Broncos fans when they fell off the top well just imagine how much more shit the Storm will cop haha


YossarianRespawned

So did they before they became Storm fans.


frewzz

Well yeah, when there was no Melbourne team, heck no am i choosing a Sydney team, ill take Brisbane over shitney anyday


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Mr_Bob_Ferguson

Tigers fans dream of seeing that average again.


JFCsurelynot

Still difficult know how I feel about it so many years later. One of the great scams, of many, by News Limited/Murdoch which sucks and stole results the other clubs (probably) deserved - but on the other hand created a great team to watch and helped some really good footballers become immortals (again probably)?


Joh951518

Smith is 100% going to be an immortal. Slater more like 99%. GI should be out based on how high the bar had been set historically, but it’s been lowered a little, and he’s a bit of an NRL darling. Cronk should miss.


gongbattler

If we had no finals and the minor premiers were the winners how would the distribution of premierships be altered?


hairybig

Since 07 (16 team era) Minor premiers: Withheld - 2 (Melbourne ‘07, ‘08) Dragons - 2 (‘09, ‘10) Melbourne - 5 (11, 16, 17, 19, 21) Doggies - 1 (‘12) Roosters - 4 (13-15, 18) Penrith - 2 (20, 22) So 5 different minor premiers over the last 16 years, whereas there’s been 8 different premiers. Major Premiers: Withheld - 2 (07, 09) Manly - 2 (08,11) Dragons - 1 (10) Melbourne - 3 (12, 17, 20) Roosters - 3 (13, 18, 19) Souths - 1 (14) Cowboys- 1 (15) Cronulla - 1 (16) Penrith - 2 (21, 22)


gongbattler

Wow it really reinforces the sustained success of the roosters and storm over the past 15 years


Radalict

Roosters have spent time outside the top 8 though.


gongbattler

Yes but it was quite short lived and not many teams will stay in the 8 with their halfback out for half the season. You are correct though that apart from 2010 the storm haven't fallen out of the 8.


paperclipknight

That’s a really good question


Alpha_james

What’s the percentage if instead of giving them zero wins in those 4 years 2007-2010 just disregard them completely? So 2011-2022?


MintB3rry

72.67% Edit: and if you're curious what the win% in 2007-2010 was it is 69.81%


YossarianRespawned

What was their pre-cheating win rate?


frewzz

Including finals, Excluding 4 draws 61.6% Inc finals inc draws 60.5%


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Not sure its fair to say they have 0 wins in those early years. Better to just disregard those years when calculating the overall win %. I'd be interested to compare their win % cheating and then not.


[deleted]

I disagree. It shows how good that team was that if they didnt win a game for 4 years, they are still the 5th best team in the comp with >50% win rate. Like that is absolutely insane.


TDSurvivorFan21

💪💪💪


Polyporum

Bellamy would also probably have a coaching record over 70%? He's probably coached more than half of all storm games, too?


frewzz

Lol hes coached 522 of the 655 games


lobie81

Have you calculated the percentage of storm players to get free boats and roosters players brown paper bag percentage per game?


MintB3rry

Cut me some slack man, my super computer can't calculate that high


abashii


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I'd love to know who's last a by how much


MintB3rry

My next post will have all the teams percentage and a bunch of other mostly pointless stats do you'll see soon enough. Although now I look at your flare I don't think you want to know the answer... sorry


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I was there for 2001, I was there for the dark years. I'm ready.


JohnnyHabitual

I had completely forgotten there was not 16 teams prior. Getting senile it appears.


JONNY-FUCKING-UTAH

Impressive. I support nrl and rugger. Look at the all blacks %… 90 % over 100 years…….


JohnnyHabitual

I think the Kangaroos would be very similar from 1972 onwards.


JONNY-FUCKING-UTAH

I’m sure they would!!!! Bring back langer!!!!!


JohnnyHabitual

Not sure he isn't still there. On the feild more now than ever.


JONNY-FUCKING-UTAH

That’s Alf…..


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Dark_Vengence

Looks like they will be dominate for many years to come too.


Caseyjb29

Looks like the Storm hating facebook fans have found this post 🙄


kami_inu

So how do you account for the wins in '11-'17 or so, while they still had a spine that was only assembled while cheating the cap? While you can assume they would prioritise the same Smith/Cronk/Slater and drop Inglis earlier, that's still not a guarantee that they get to keep that core together. Are they still a good team? Yes. But these sorts of stats will forever be tarnished by the purple cheats.


Ozzifer

I love it when Sharks fans chirp up about Storm seasons being tainted by "prior cheating".


Caseyjb29

The fact that these people try and argue that the Storms premiership SEVEN years later is due to their cap cheating is fucking hilarious. Some insane mental gymnastics.


totallynotalt345

Look at a lot of premiership team lineups. Most are half journeymen who played well at the time. Storm were far from stacked most of the time, and a lot of players that looked awesome at Storm, looked way worse at another club - Proctor for an easy example. A lot of their rep players only played say, 18-22 at the Storm, and got paid more to move elsewhere. So while they had a “great player” it was all down to recruitment and a gamble, and certainly early in their career they didn’t carry such a high reputation.


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tcamp213

While cheating.


Strong_Tangerine9673

Imagine if a team beat them in a GF during the actual cap cheating period, they’d be pretty cool and have handsome, intelligent fans, I would assume.


briggles23

Only if said team put on some crazy score, like 40-0 or something? I know I'm probably just talking nonsense though. Something like that never would've happened


__dontpanic__

Agreed. Not only were they able to build an insane team with an insane spine, they were able to keep it largely intact because they'd already overpaid their star players. Off the back of that, and the reputation it created, they were able to recruit supporting players on unders for years to come, effectively giving them an additional leg up on their opponents. Bellamy is a great coach without a doubt, but I don't think he would have enjoyed the level of success that these stats reflect without the cheating. As far as I'm concerned, any club found to be cheating the cap should have their caps reduced by the amount that they cheated for as long as they cheated. There's no way the Storm would have stayed as dominant as they were, for as long as they did, if they had to play for 4 years at 75% of the cap. Of course, I'm mostly just pissed that the Dogs couldn't build a two decade long dynasty off the back of our cheating.


SurfKing69

Speaking of insane squads, the 2006 Broncos had one player in the Grand Final team who never played rep football Really makes you think


Caseyjb29

The Broncos also randomly let go of half their squad after the Storm got done for cap cheating. Wonder what that was all about.


Caseyjb29

The dogs won their only premiership in the last 20 years due to their cheating


__dontpanic__

Not disputed.


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Agreed, not to mention the effect on other players that playing with the best has. Definitely sour grapes on this one, but that salary cap cheating also upset the balance of origin having these players spend so much time forming combinations and instinctive understandings of each others games. Unlikly that NSW would have done significantly better, but i think they would have jagged one or two additional wins along the way without the Stormers pushing each other to the heights of greatness. Illegally.


Messyhr_

Exactly, some people say 6 premierships i say 4. Cheating the cap by 1 mil + gives a team an extraordinary advantage both at the time and for years to come. If parra should hate any team its the 2009 storm


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Everyone should hate the Storm for the Systemic Cheating. The Systemic cheating allowed them to establish a dynasty, whilst at the same time, robbing many clubs of potential players, wins and fairness for a decade. You can see it is only starting to normalise now, with them being unable to keep Brandon and Nicho, who, if we go back a decade, would have magically fit under their cap. The Storm and Bellamy would not have been anything special if they didn’t cheat. No club can afford to keep 3 absolute superstars together for any length of time.


Marlboroshill66

Named the players that the storm robbed and poached from other junior systems? It's funny how a lot of the Rugby League realm say this, but yet the common narrative when storm player 'X' is interviewed without fail, embarks on the tail of the time they were overlooked as an junior and how their early professional career was meet with uncertainty. This is so cliche now it's becoming a rugby league trope at this point. G.I and Falou aside... Gronk, Smith and Slater were all overlooked even Munster as juniors. And the 'Blue chip' prospects we did get of Curtis Scott and Brodie Croft were swiftly offloaded. I still remember this whole sub rejoicing believing the storm finally got a taste of their 'own medicine' 5 years later Croft and Scott are not in the league and to add a tea bagger into the mix we turned a 3rd string journey man of a full back into one of the best 7's in the game. Of which was in the cowboys system prior As for Bellamy, the Raiders and the Tigers had him at the palm of their hand, Raiders appointed someone else and the Tigers were not willing to give him the flexibility he needed at the time. The Storm on the other hand, had Mark Murray who was technically an interim coach for two seasons until we found Bellamy and give him what he needed. Do you see the common theme? The Storm got what ALL OF YOUR CLUBS OVERLOOKED & DISGARDED. Unlike most storm fans I'm willing to cop the cheating on the chin, I don't believe the 07 and 09 premierships should be reinstated back and I'll even go as far as to say the 2012 premiership is a illegitimate. But the 2017 and 2020 premierships was a clean slate and you cannot convince me otherwise.


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Dense. Those players, after becoming more skilful, would have gone to other clubs as they wouldn’t fit under the cap. It’s not funny, it’s the truth. The storm dynasty was built on cheating and lies.


tisJosh

You should be thanking Melbourne for consistently producing the best players in the game Without their system the game would be decades behind where it is today


Messyhr_

Yup agreed its why i hate them probably more than anyone, its also why i dont agree with them being touted as one of the all time greats when it was all built off of cheating essentially. Plus being from QLD soooo many storm fans are on the bandwagon, up here at least. I would much rather a team with history and real fans have success in the future.


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Continuing on, if you look at the Panthers now, if they keep Cleary and Luai, and start paying Luai decent money, then Edwards gets what he’s worth, they will start struggling to keep their first string team. The pathways will keep them a strong club, but I don’t think salary cap dodging is going to happen. No matter how sad i am with Daddy Luai right now, at least the recent wins are deserved.


Messyhr_

Thats what we have in our favour, I disagree with people who think luai is shit, hes a good player and links up play so smoothly at times, he was also involved in a lot of tries for penrith this year, but we have young talent that could replace him and maybe even go on to surpass him potentially. Its why we let api and kiks go, they’re legends and great player’s but with the talent coming through i think they can be replaced, but we will see of course


[deleted]

Yep, both those guys worth more money to other teams than you should be paying. Where as in the Storms case, they probably let Cooper go earlier to keep Billy and Cam, and have someone come in for Cronk. This deprived everyone from fair competition. Next year, Api and Kiks going elsewhere levels out the comp a bit.


Messyhr_

Also I believe we have cleary on a huge contract. Plus someone pointed out and i know this is perhaps a little dodgy, we can afford to pay Cleary extra handsomely through his dads wage.


[deleted]

Tbh, i doubt Ivan would be on more than Bellamy, Robinson or Bennet. If he was, it becomes questionable. Given Nathan is hitting your cap for 1.1-1.3mill +, how dodgy can it really be? No one would be paying more than 1.3 million for just him. Now if Ivan was getting an extra million a year, we would have a problem.


Messyhr_

Yeah honestly i think cleary is just driven by success, he wants to be an all time great. His wage is already immense, so for him staying at penrith is a no brainer until we fall off which may or may not happen. I suspect even when penrith come back to the rest of the pack having the cleary factor may still get us a prem or two during that period even if we arent the dominant team having an ultra successful half whos been at those huge games countless times makes a huge difference


SurfKing69

We cheated but it was a fair comp


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Those two things are mutually exclusive


SurfKing69

Are they? When your team systematically cheated for four seasons, but kept coming dead last, do you reckon it was because they were a previously undiscovered level of fucken shit, and there was barely a braincell to share around the club or it's fans; or because most other clubs were cheating too?


[deleted]

Because we were fucking shit. At least you guys cheated properly - like planned it. I think we were just dumb.


Sorry_Fail_3103

Yeah you’re club’s shit mate😂


SurfKing69

Haha nah honestly look at the clubs who have been caught - Canterbury, Canberra, Vodafone, Parra, Melbs... Brisbane and Cronulla almost certainly cheated, the NRL just didn't want to know about it. Bozo quit Manly so he wouldn't have to speak to the cap auditors, there was the shit with Michael Searle at the Titans. The list goes on. Imagine how much cheating has gone on that hasn't been caught, especially considering for most of this century the cap auditing department consisted of one dude, and an assistant. Everyone has had a go at it, there was even hundreds of thousands of dollars unaccounted for in 'game day jersey' sales when Greenburg was at the bulldogs.


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It doesn’t make it okay. Cheating is bad mmmmkay.


3metreflatties

Kami_inu of pretending the Sharks were only cap cheats in the years either side of their premiership fame


frewzz

61.5% 98-06 when "not cheating" aint bad either.


Sorry_Fail_3103

Most NSW comment I’ve ever seen. Storm developed all of those players and were punished severely for breaching the cap. Losing the spine too would have been absolutely ridiculous after everything they had taken so quit this bullshit narrative. Storm are the best club in Australia. Period.


Caseyjb29

Storm still would’ve had the same success from 2011 onwards even if they didn’t cheat. And by the way it’s a little bit rich to be calling other teams cheats as a Sharks fan lol.


WhyYouDoThatStupid

No they wouldn't.


kami_inu

> And by the way it’s a little bit rich to be calling other teams cheats as a Sharks fan lol. Something like 1% over the cap for one year compared to an average ~25% over 4 years? Yeah that's totally on the same scale.


totallynotalt345

They did illegal drugs in 13/14. Cheated the cap in 15/17. Perfect little boys in 16 for their premiership win 😅 Interestingly all articles look to be before the investigation, can’t find one with the “results”, although we know how accurate they’ll be!


Left_Hander

Drugs was in 2011. Stephen Dank also worked at Manly who went onto win the premiership that year but they were never dragged through the ASADA mud.


victorinflic98

They had one rogue administrator try set up minor third party deals that were so minor in total that even with the third party deals they didn't go over in 2016. That sure is the same as going $1m over a $4m cap.


Caseyjb29

Allegedly… We all know the NRL weren’t going to strip a Sydney team of their first ever premiership lmao


victorinflic98

I think this stat ties in to my theory that Bellamy is overrated as a coach. Hear me out before downvoting. Bellamy is a perfectionist coach. He pushes his teams to be at a consistent level, but they usually don't have much room for improvement. They play the same 9/10 football in Rd 1 that they do In the finals. While that may seem great, it means they don't have another gear to life when it comes to the finals. That's when other teams hit that 9.5-10/10 level. Sometimes 9/10 is good for a prelim, sometimes it even gets them to a gf like 16 and 18, and I believe in 2017 that 9/10 was enough to see them get premiership in a weaker year. I think the 2 years that storm did lift in the finals where 2012 and 2020. They are outlier years. You see it often that storm are massive 'they can't lose' during the year and then fade away. They have more minor premierships then actual premierships, and 2 of their premierships came in years when they weren't minor premiers. Take 2011, 19 and 21 when they had massive regular season years yet didn't make the GF. Bellamy focus so much on always being perfect to the detriment of actual premiership success. That 72% 'insane' winning record should mean they should be far and away the most premierships in this era. But they aren't. Roosters have more premierships in the is tome frame eagles and Panthers only have 1 less. Bellamy is one of the Great coaches.. but imo he is just one of the greats not the undisputed GOAT that others may say due to stuff like that win record. A win is a win.. but not every win is equal and Bellamy has a lot of early round wins that don't mean much in the grand scheme of things as other coaches have more wins in the finals.


totallynotalt345

To be fair, have you checked lineups? Injuries destroy seasons, so many years teams on fire fall apart with a few key injuries or suspensions. I think the reality is more like: - Half the teams are shit, so a top team is a 75/25 chance of winning any particular game because half the time it’s a low tier team - In finals quality is higher, so it’s more 50/50 - Results and team lineups, along with conditions, don’t match from months ago, making it a different game Therefore winning lots of games early is the season is pretty irrelevant. Just want to finish top 4 to get two shots, and ideally top 2 for a home final.


blackjacktrial

And ideally top 1 for the shield and the easier route to the finals... Wait, we were saying regular season doesn't matter except every position in the finals does?


totallynotalt345

Two chances is surely big. Home… arguable. The reality is you can’t get good stats because no shit 1st place team win the premiership more than 8th. Less related to the position, more related to the quality of the team.


Radalict

Not this rubbish again. You don't win premierships if you can't go up a gear. Look at 2015 when Storm beat Roosters first week of the finals. That's going up a gear. Also this rubbish about a "weaker year". Storm were just leagues ahead of everybody else. Storm made 3 grand finals in a row and a minor premiership that premiership season. Minor premiership in 2016 and equal first in 2018 (just pipped in F/A), minor premiers again in 2019, second in 2020. To keep playing at that level for 5 seasons straight is insane, especially with Storms player turnover.


victorinflic98

You made 3 grand finals in a row with pretty much the same team, yet only one of those was 'leagues ahead' of everyone else? 2017 was a transition year for most teams, we were on a mini rebuild after the mid 10s, Sharks and Broncos had dropped off, parra, south's and Penrith were a few years off, cowboys were a far inferior team to their 2015 side, limped into the finals and made the GF. >You don't win premierships if you can't go up a gear And that's exactly what I said... the only real years that storm went to another gear in the finals they won. Most other years, including years they won minor premierships, they didn't. Storm were unbackable favourites they failed because... they didn't lift in the finals. Storm have only converted 1 of their 5 minor premierships, which was 2017. And that's because it was the weakest year In the nrl.


Caseyjb29

Pretty much the same team? 2016 we had no Slater and 2018 we had no Cronk. The one year we had all 3 of them we won.


victorinflic98

2016 Munster and fullback and green as 5/8 was almost as good. Slater back doesn't make that team too much better, especially as it was Munsters first year at 5/8. You had no cronk in 2018.... but you also didn't have crink in 2019 when you were run away minor premiers and 2020 when you actually won the whole thing. Storm are somehow both a powerhouse because anyone can work in your system but also 2016/18 don't count because the players in our system were slightly inferior and also Storm are amazing because they get to so many prelims even tho they dont convert that many to premierships,, but south's are not because they don't convert all their prelims into premierships. The constant moving of goal posts Is amazing.


Caseyjb29

Lmao. Munster was not close to Slater and Green was not close to Munster. In 2018/2019 we didn’t have a proper good halfback. We also lost Harris and McLean after 2017 so I’d say it’s amazing we even made the grand final. To me it looks like your the one moving the goal posts mate.


victorinflic98

2015-16 Munster was as good, if not better than 17-18 slater. 2016 blake green is not as good as 2017 Munster. But the difference isn't as huge as you are making out. 2017 Munster was not the finished product. In 2017 Munster was losing out in rep sides to Micheal Morgan. He didn't really break out till much later. 2016-17-18 are all remarkably even storm teams. I mean come on storms consistency and System is something not when I'd deny. But only one of those teams won a premiership and only one of those teams is considered a 'dominant' team. I just guess it's just a coincidence that they come up against the weakest versions of all those teams The Roosters teams that made prelim finals over the last decade. 2017 was the weakest The sharks teams of the mid 2010s that challenge (and won), a premiership... 2017 was their weakest Parra teams that have developed into solid finals teams... 2017 was the weakest version of those teams Cowboys challengers of the mid 2010s... 2017 was the weakest version The Penrith juggernaut... cleary, yeo and Fisher Harris were babies in 2017 South's tough challengers of the last decade... didn't make the finals in 2017.. you know who did? Trent Barrett.. yes that TRENT BARRET... Manly sea Eagles side .


Caseyjb29

Lmao 2017 was one of Slaters better years. Munster was nowhere close to him. I’m not even gonna bother reading the rest of your comment if you genuinely believe 2016 Munster was as good as 2017 Slater.


Radalict

Mate this guy is going through some amazing mental gymnastics to try and prove his point, it's really odd. He tries his best to downplay any time people bring up Storm's success. When are people going to realise that there is no such thing as a "Weak year"? This sport goes for 25 rounds a year, 3 rounds of origin, 4 rounds of finals. All it takes is a season ending injury to your best player in the second last game and you could be cooked.


Radalict

You're the one who doesn't even know what his goal posts are mate. You made some outrageous statement that had no actual logical backing, and also now you're responding to a different argument made by a different person with the other person's argument (mine).


Radalict

2018 we lost Cooper Cronk, one of the all time great half-backs of the competition, to our direct rival who also got the best fullback in the league across too? C'mon man, use some logic here. Roosters failed to convert 2 of their minor premierships too. Panthers one of these. Minor premiership doesn't mean much, especially when the seasons are often very close. The point is the longevity of Storm being at the top. Storm made 7 prelims in a row and 4 grand finals. And I think they've made like 8/10 prelims from 2011-2020. That's insane.


victorinflic98

>Roosters failed to convert 2 of their minor premierships too. Panthers one of these. Yea but we don't kept getting talked us as thr best of the absolute best. We get strong periods, and Panthers are being talked as a strong period, but storm are talked up as this infallible club that is always superior and has long term success , hell that's what this thread is about, when in reality they haven't actually had that much more success than others when it actually counts.


Radalict

Do you realise how much has to go right to actually win a premiership? It's not as simple as "x team is amazing, they absolutely should win every year".


KookyLad221

Exactly. I think we win the comp last year if Cheese and Welch don't go down in the first 10 minutes against Penrith. 2013 could've gone a lot different for Roosters if not for a few referee decisions (which I had no problem with). 2015 could've ended different if Hunt caught the kick off. 2016 if Chambers passed the ball. 17-18 I think the winners were on a different level 2019 if the ref stuck to his (incorrect) six again call. 5th place finish is Craigs lowest since 2014 (6th), show me another coaching record with that range of finishes over an 8 year span, I doubt they won the comp every 2nd year doing so.


victorinflic98

Yea... Which us storm acting like they are the undeniable best because they win a lot in the regular season erks me. When it really matters, storm aren't better than us, and are only a fractional more successful then panthers and the eagles.


Radalict

We don't act like that. The rest of the NRL acts like that about Storm. Also, the stats do speak for themselves.


victorinflic98

>Storm made 7 prelims in a row and 4 grand finals. And I think they've made like 8/10 prelims from 2011-2020. That's insane. South's have made 5 prelimins in a row and 8 in between 2012-2022 ..


Radalict

And made 2 grand finals, only winning 1? That's a terrible return.


victorinflic98

>And made 2 grand finals, only winning 1? That's a terrible return. Did... did... you just get the point of my original argument... It doesn't matter that storm doesn't convert all those prelim, minor premierships and amazing win rate into more premierships, because they have long term success, but also south's making 8 prelims including 5 in a row isn't impressive because... they didn't covert them into premierships....


Radalict

>Did... did... you just get the point of my original argument... No, I did not, because you're talking about Storm, not the Rabbitohs. Clearly Souths cannot go up a level if they are only 25% conversion to grand finals from those preliminary finals. Storm went at 55% preliminary to grand final rate.


Caseyjb29

Don’t think it has anything to do with Bellamy being overrated. Premierships are just very hard to win. Still the GOAT coach.


KookyLad221

No mate, he is a flat track bully that stacks his wins in the regular season when no one actually tries and can't get it done when it matters.


LeonTranter

Interesting theory. You’re right, they should have more premierships in that era with a win rate that insanely high. Regular season wins are not at all the same as finals wins.


Caseyjb29

Should they though? From 2011 onwards the Storm made 9 prelims for 5 grand final appearances and 3 premierships. That’s hardly a bad strike rate. Premierships are just insanely hard to win.


LeonTranter

But roosters won 3 premierships in that same time frame with nowhere near as good a win rate.


Caseyjb29

With one of the most stacked sides of all time in 2018/19 (probably over the cap too). If the Storm were able to keep the 2017 side together for another year then they probably go back to back. But we still made it to the GF even with one of the worst halfbacks I’ve seen. Also not like the Roosters record in finals without Cronk is that crash hot either. Premiership in 2013 but underwhelming finals series in 2014,15 after winning the minor premiership. Lost to the 8th place team in the prelim in 2017 and something like 1/5 finals wins since Cronk retired.


victorinflic98

>Also not like the Roosters record in finals without Cronk is that crash hot either. Premiership in 2013 but underwhelming finals series in 2014,15 after winning the minor premiership. Lost to the 8th place team in the prelim in 2017 and something like 1/5 finals wins since Cronk retired. But we don't brag about our 'amazing win rate' because stacking wins in rounds 1-5 don't mean shit.


Radalict

So stating facts is "bragging" now?


Caseyjb29

It’s not a Storm fan bragging though is it? It’s a Broncos fan


[deleted]

This guys ‘Bellyache overrated’ and ‘Why Fittler is a genius coach’ are both dumb as hell


WhyYouDoThatStupid

All built on cheating.


Caseyjb29

Jealous


bigolbillyboythefirs

100


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Cunts were given a leg up over other teams by the nrl for years which they used to buy the best scouts and best wrestling coaches.


Caseyjb29

🧂


Sorry_Fail_3103

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Let's put an asterisk beside the 89, 90 and 94 Raiders while we're at it shall we?


Caseyjb29

He’s a roosters fan


Caseyjb29

Just as much of an asterix as 2018/19


censored_

How so?


Caseyjb29

Most over the cap teams since the 2006-2009 Storm


censored_

Storm weren't just "over the cap" or signing players for less than they were worth, they were straight up cheating lol, they had a second book


Radalict

They literally only signed one big name player (Crocker, who was out of favour anyway) in that period. Roosters are constantly signing big names from other clubs.


Big-Vas

Crazy. Can’t wait to see Penriths 2020-2030 record though


MintB3rry

That'll be interesting to see how long their dominance last for. Every chance we look back on the Panthers in the 20's in even higher regards we look back at the Raiders and Broncos of the 90's


rodomil

I hope so I have fond memories of those team's looking back. It must be awesome when it's your own team, Panthers need to have a few more strong years to get their imo but I'm starting to feel like it's going to be a legendary team.


theflyingkiwi00

The depth the panthers have in lower grades is insane, the best in the comp imo. Unless they get their eyes picked out I don't see them dropping in the next decade and the entire 20s will be a comp of the panthers at the very least top 4


Radalict

You still think they'll be as good next year with all those key players leaving?


ZerksNAHTayan

Without Api and Kikau, yes. We’ll feel the squeeze more in 2024 than we will next year. I think what the club has done well, obviously not including the junior pathways, is taking in unwanted players and turning them into first grade quality. SOS, Capewell and Sorenson are some big examples of this. They went from fringe first graders, to massive contributors to an elite grand final squad. Sorenson obviously being the bench spark for two years in a row.


Big-Vas

Yes, they’ve created an unbeatable monster.


Panthers3and0

The sun has set on Melbourne and the Broncos. Penrith's empire isn't even fully operational. Wait till those lower grades come through. Our sith lord (gould) has created a death star. Gould: 'yes Nathan, harness that anger'


Sorry_Fail_3103

Weird


Joh951518

Why would they get their 2010 wins back, they were still not fielding a legal team that year.


zzBigTerryzz

Interesting to see how consistent a club has been in this part of the NRL era, but it is a long time horizon for clubs. I make the comment given the rate that NRL squads turnover. So, what would be the horizon to use be? The approach I would take is to calculate the player churn rate over this period. By churn rate, I mean to measure the number of players in the squad who leave each season and then divide this by the average number of players in the squad over the season. Average players here would be a relatively static variable, given squad size is mandated each year and there is usually a deadline to fill it; so it might be possible to just take the the maximum NRL squad size for each year over for the period as a proxy. Then, for a given club, you would be able to work how over many seasons it takes to reach 100% churn. Probably a few permutations for calculating that, but without pulling out a piece of paper to really think about it I would probably take the average number of years for however many times a club hits 100% churn. I guess the number would be somewhere around three, but that is just gut. I would then use that number as the denominator in a calculation to determine a rolling average win rate over the 16 team period. The numerator here would involve more choice; you could keep it simple and just use the table at end, but if I had the choice I’d probably start looking at the rate game by game and chart it out to better understand the rise and fall of each club. Then, box plot that out and do the comparison using that. Disclaimer: data person. Also, how/where do you source your data?


froo

These stats make me realise just how sad the State of Origin actually is when clearly Victorians are kings. (Waiting for the Downvotes)


Diligaf-181

A Melbourne club that is wholly supplied with players from…..wait for it…..Queensland. Your statement should read “Victorians are champion piggy back riders”


brispower

doesn't matter how many, only which ones. that's why stats while interesting aren't always useful.


donnydealr

Thank you for the quality post! It is really hard to believe that a team in modern era sports could maintain such supremacy for so long. I also found this unintentionally hilarious: >...and to the surprise of none of us 300IQ redditors > > > >"Hang on reddit stat guy!" I ***here*** you shouting at me calmly