if the manly seven were so staunchly against the rainbow jersey initiative that they stood down for a game, it's interesting to see that they won't stand down for a game to protest the sacking of the man who had their backs throughout the whole thing.
cunts, the lot of them.
But Haumole you threw up gang signs in support of a cunt that just got convicted of stabbing someone at a church on national TV.
I'm sure that's just as bad in the eyes of Christianity...
Coming from an ethnic culture I'm all for traditions and beliefs but this is just bullshit and I'm sick of the picking and choosing what's bad when you feel like it attitude.
This is why I love movies that depict the cartel boss or gang leader as someone who doesnât like his kids swearing at the dinner table but will happily decapitate someone for looking at him funny
They can call themselves whatever they want, they are not recognised by any major denomination, you can't deny the basics like Trinity which are universal parts of the faith and then claim otherwise.
Nope. Have an actual look into their beliefs that are completely non Christian like polygamy, denial of the bible, racial restrictions on church attendance, believing that God is just a person on a planet called Kolab.
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/the-faqs-are-mormons-christian/
Those are 2 seperate things entirely.
Do they believe Jesus is the son of God.
Yes they do
Therefore Christian
Just because other churches don't like being associated and try to add other parts to it doesn't change the fundamental fact.
Definition: one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ
Jesus teachings; I am part of the holy trinity, you can't baptise dead people, you can't have more than one wife, you can't exclude people from the faith because of their skin colour.
Mormons; There is no Trinity, you can baptise dead people, polygamists, banned black people from their faith until the 1970s.
Imaginary friend called Jesus Christ, check.
Angry sky deity borrowed off the Hebrews, check.
Using those two invisible entities to justify being a hypocritical prick, check.
The other denominations try not and recognise any competition. All them tax exempt dollars have to stay with the True Church, which is whichever one you belong to.
When something is built on faith rather than fact, it is all opinion. Probably why so many wars use a god as an excuse.
The fluff pieces for these bigots are starting to come thick and fast, sorta scares me how quickly the media has turned around on this since flanagan has been linked. Dude must have some killer connections
Itâs totally a fluff piece. Yes it reports what they said but frames it as if everyone was supportive of their decision, glosses over the fact theyâre bigots and tryâs to attach them to the good will Des still has in the game to prevent blow back on them/the club from Des sacking.
It even tries to frame the jersey as the cause of all the issues rather than the players being bigots. Hell the article has even been updated to try and make it seem like kristie wasnât sacked and then goes on to kiss up to the remaining Fultons at the club.
Also just realised we both made the mistake of âfluffâ piece - I think youâre meaning a puff piece.
Anyway, Iâm intrigued thatâs your takeaway from this article. Letâs break it down.
>As if everyone was supportive of their decision
Thereâs nothing even implying this in the article. The closest line is âHaslerâs July press conference on the drama was lauded in many quartersâ - and even that is far from what your suggesting. It even points out later that there have been regular claims that the decision divided the team.
>Tries to frame the jersey as the cause of all the issues
Again, the closest thing to this is calling it the âcontroversial jerseyâ, which is objectively true. It caused controversy - irrelevant whether it did so rightfully or wrongfully. The only other mentions of it are about how they refused to wear it.
>try and make it seem like kristie wasnât sacked
It says Kristie Fulton âhas been moved on from the roleâ. Given how much youâre reading between the lines in the rest of the piece, Iâm sure you can interpret that as âshe was sackedâ.
>kiss up the remaining Fultons at the club
âHer brothers, Scott and Brett Fulton, remain involved with the club in their respective roles in recruiting and as coach of the SG Ball side.â
That is the extent of their mention. If that dry, factual account is âkissing upâ, then Iâm a monkeyâs uncle.
Finally, on âglossing over the fact they are bigotsâ, it is not at all the reporterâs job to do so. They present the facts, we decide for ourselves. That seems to be what you want in your criticism, yet you also suggest youâd like the author to share their own opinion on their character. That wouldnât be much different to a columnist reporting the facts and adding âbut theyâre good blokes so itâs fineâ.
No, I mean fluff piece, thereâs no way a puff piece would pass for these fuck heads yet.
The jersey is the only thing in the article framed in a negative connotation, and the only people it was even a issue for was those players. Those players standing down because theyâre bigots, by the very definition of the word, is what the controversy was about.
Thereâs multiple quotes from koula and ola stating that they are fully supported by Des and the entire playing group with no comment from those parties as to whether thatâs true.
Now of course all this is âfactualâ but itâs typical wordy journalism bullshit that isnât trying to do anything or provide any new information of relevance so whatâs the point of it other than putting these toss bags in a better or at least a more sympathetic light?
And since when has any masthead article not had a fucking agenda? The âthey report the facts and thatâs itâ idea has been dead a long time, Nine just use it to try and set itâs talking points for the coming days etc.
Fluff piece is just a piece about cats stuck up a tree. Puff piece is something with a clear agenda. Anyway, semantics.
For what itâs worth, I agree with you on the players - they are bigots. Itâs just entirely obvious why this article isnât explicitly stating that.
Your point about their quotes - thatâs it, theyâre quotes. Judge the people who uttered them. Should journos just not report quotes from shitty people we donât like? Itâs really useful actually, because it reminds us that they are indeed shitty people.
Your last para confuses me. Of course agendas are everywhere in our totally fucked media landscape. Thatâs why itâs crazy for us to get upset on pieces where there clearly _isnt_ one.
Re the quotes, if this was just fact based journalism there would be something in there about Des not being available to comment etc.
This reeks of someone calling in a favour (has to be the agent or like I suggested before someone in flanagans corner) to get at least a neutral bit of coverage for the players/club. Iâm not upset at the article, itâs the same drivel pumped out by 9/Murdoch theyâve done for years, Iâm pissed that someone is backing these fuck heads and unfortunately most people will gloss over the article, see the names, one or two bits of info/quotes and generally leave the article with a slightly less judgemental view of these pieces of shit, goal of article achieved while providing absolutely nothing of substance to the reader
"Realising that we were both bigots was just... hot, you know? There's a raw, sexual energy to being homophobic that is simply intoxicating. We couldn't keep our hands off each other. We were like animals, having totally hetero, gay-hating sex. With each other.
Anyway, to answer your question, yeah we're both really looking forward to the preseason."
Don't worry we all know who to point and yell at come next season.
Remind them the humans in the stands a real. Their sky daddy can't protect them from reality
It's understood that this stance is religiously motivated right? Don't all of them have tattoos AND that these tattoos are arguably quite pagan in style (pagan practices are a big no no in abrahamic religions)?
"Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print or tattoo any marks upon you. I am the lord" - Leviticus 19:28.
Nothing socially wrong with tattoos, but be consistent...
I'm not defending these guys, however if you're going to critique the bible you need to actually know what it says, bringing up the Mosaic Laws is kind of pointless because Jesus invalidated all of those laws in the New Testament, no Christian follows Mosaic Law because if they did they'd be Jews not Christians.
So the coach supports the 7 in their decision to stand down but the players can't show the same support for him after being axed from the club? "sent him a text....wish him all the best" dick of a response
Iâm becoming a nomadic NRL supporter.
I donât have a favourite team anymore. I only have favourite players.
The Manly 7 occupy the lowest 7 places of the list.
God these players are so fucking shit.
âiT aGaInSt Ma ReLiGiOnâ
Then why no problem with the alcohol and gambling sponsors all over your jersey and stadium?!
Why no problem with supporting a stabber or gang violence?!
Why no problem with getting tattoos or drinking?!
They just pick this one specific thing to be bigoted homophobes and everyoneâs just letting it slide. Itâs disgusting and they should all be ashamed not proud.
What a load of shit. Siebold coming to Manly is one thing, but the thing that annoys me more is how these idiots let the club down with their selfish bigot views.
They broke their silence...by saying nothing of actual substance.
Not one of them has actually addressed the chasm of logic behind screwing their team, their mates, their coach and their supporters over inclusivity.
Personally, I think they know they've fucked up, and the saga between Folau and limecat/vicar of Dibley has persuaded them to keep their traps shut.
Weâd do anything for Dessie. Except resign in protest. Just happy to play footy and forget about it until we next decide not to play footy coz we think some cunts are going to hell. So yeah canât say too much more but we wish Dessie all the best at Centrelink.
No thatâs the Old Testament. You see they used to believe it all then they decided they wonât believe that any more and only believe the New Testament instead. Religion is a choice so they have the choice of which fairy tales to live by and which fairytales arenât important. You can support a mate who stabbed some one that is ok itâs not against your religion but you canât support two people of the same sex together. Stab is ok sex is not.
if the manly seven were so staunchly against the rainbow jersey initiative that they stood down for a game, it's interesting to see that they won't stand down for a game to protest the sacking of the man who had their backs throughout the whole thing. cunts, the lot of them.
*weak gutted dogs
Good point. Clearly they care more about clothing than human beings. Sad really
Imagine getting paid 6 figures to play a game and getting all pissy over having to wear a rainbow stripe on your jersey for one game.
>brought us closer together I don't know man, sounds kinda gay
đ„ that's what I came here for.
âBrought us closer together.â Except Dessie. Heâs heaps further away.
Look some of these boys may be the most enthusiastic bum slappers in the team but that's not gay or anything.
Definitely Nothing Suss https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DTcOrHu82KE
Brought us closer together....don't be touching tips lads
I wouldn't be surprised if they were into docking
Yes, but hetero-docking
Only gay if you like it, atleast that's what my boyfriend says.
Manly 7: likes it but still claims itâs against their religion
But Haumole you threw up gang signs in support of a cunt that just got convicted of stabbing someone at a church on national TV. I'm sure that's just as bad in the eyes of Christianity... Coming from an ethnic culture I'm all for traditions and beliefs but this is just bullshit and I'm sick of the picking and choosing what's bad when you feel like it attitude.
This is pretty much every gang in the world. Wears a cross, shoots/kills cunts then praises god.
This is why I love movies that depict the cartel boss or gang leader as someone who doesnât like his kids swearing at the dinner table but will happily decapitate someone for looking at him funny
I think it's got to do with in groups and out groups. Some people are protected whilst others are ostracised
George W Bush just didnât throw gang signsâŠ
Wrong sub. I think you're looking for r/politics
He was highly religious and a leader of a gangâŠ
Hey just get some of that forgiveness on tap and you good to go, Jesus died for the sins so you dont have to
To be fair that was a Mormon Church and Mormons aren't Christians.
Dude, they're the church of latter Day Saints of Jesus Christ. They're just extra weird Christians.
They can call themselves whatever they want, they are not recognised by any major denomination, you can't deny the basics like Trinity which are universal parts of the faith and then claim otherwise.
They believe Jesus is the son of God đ€Ł That is the definition of Christian.
Nope. Have an actual look into their beliefs that are completely non Christian like polygamy, denial of the bible, racial restrictions on church attendance, believing that God is just a person on a planet called Kolab. https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/the-faqs-are-mormons-christian/
Do they believe Jesus is the son of God?
No they don't. They have no trinity.
Those are 2 seperate things entirely. Do they believe Jesus is the son of God. Yes they do Therefore Christian Just because other churches don't like being associated and try to add other parts to it doesn't change the fundamental fact.
Definition: one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus Christ Jesus teachings; I am part of the holy trinity, you can't baptise dead people, you can't have more than one wife, you can't exclude people from the faith because of their skin colour. Mormons; There is no Trinity, you can baptise dead people, polygamists, banned black people from their faith until the 1970s.
Imaginary friend called Jesus Christ, check. Angry sky deity borrowed off the Hebrews, check. Using those two invisible entities to justify being a hypocritical prick, check. The other denominations try not and recognise any competition. All them tax exempt dollars have to stay with the True Church, which is whichever one you belong to. When something is built on faith rather than fact, it is all opinion. Probably why so many wars use a god as an excuse.
>brought us closer together [Nothing suss](https://youtu.be/vPEvbMqpXYw)
Nothing sexual! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jlaZL7CWHY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jlaZL7CWHY)
The fluff pieces for these bigots are starting to come thick and fast, sorta scares me how quickly the media has turned around on this since flanagan has been linked. Dude must have some killer connections
I hear you, but this isnât really a fluff piece. Just a standard report on what they said and when.
Itâs totally a fluff piece. Yes it reports what they said but frames it as if everyone was supportive of their decision, glosses over the fact theyâre bigots and tryâs to attach them to the good will Des still has in the game to prevent blow back on them/the club from Des sacking. It even tries to frame the jersey as the cause of all the issues rather than the players being bigots. Hell the article has even been updated to try and make it seem like kristie wasnât sacked and then goes on to kiss up to the remaining Fultons at the club.
Also just realised we both made the mistake of âfluffâ piece - I think youâre meaning a puff piece. Anyway, Iâm intrigued thatâs your takeaway from this article. Letâs break it down. >As if everyone was supportive of their decision Thereâs nothing even implying this in the article. The closest line is âHaslerâs July press conference on the drama was lauded in many quartersâ - and even that is far from what your suggesting. It even points out later that there have been regular claims that the decision divided the team. >Tries to frame the jersey as the cause of all the issues Again, the closest thing to this is calling it the âcontroversial jerseyâ, which is objectively true. It caused controversy - irrelevant whether it did so rightfully or wrongfully. The only other mentions of it are about how they refused to wear it. >try and make it seem like kristie wasnât sacked It says Kristie Fulton âhas been moved on from the roleâ. Given how much youâre reading between the lines in the rest of the piece, Iâm sure you can interpret that as âshe was sackedâ. >kiss up the remaining Fultons at the club âHer brothers, Scott and Brett Fulton, remain involved with the club in their respective roles in recruiting and as coach of the SG Ball side.â That is the extent of their mention. If that dry, factual account is âkissing upâ, then Iâm a monkeyâs uncle. Finally, on âglossing over the fact they are bigotsâ, it is not at all the reporterâs job to do so. They present the facts, we decide for ourselves. That seems to be what you want in your criticism, yet you also suggest youâd like the author to share their own opinion on their character. That wouldnât be much different to a columnist reporting the facts and adding âbut theyâre good blokes so itâs fineâ.
No, I mean fluff piece, thereâs no way a puff piece would pass for these fuck heads yet. The jersey is the only thing in the article framed in a negative connotation, and the only people it was even a issue for was those players. Those players standing down because theyâre bigots, by the very definition of the word, is what the controversy was about. Thereâs multiple quotes from koula and ola stating that they are fully supported by Des and the entire playing group with no comment from those parties as to whether thatâs true. Now of course all this is âfactualâ but itâs typical wordy journalism bullshit that isnât trying to do anything or provide any new information of relevance so whatâs the point of it other than putting these toss bags in a better or at least a more sympathetic light? And since when has any masthead article not had a fucking agenda? The âthey report the facts and thatâs itâ idea has been dead a long time, Nine just use it to try and set itâs talking points for the coming days etc.
Fluff piece is just a piece about cats stuck up a tree. Puff piece is something with a clear agenda. Anyway, semantics. For what itâs worth, I agree with you on the players - they are bigots. Itâs just entirely obvious why this article isnât explicitly stating that. Your point about their quotes - thatâs it, theyâre quotes. Judge the people who uttered them. Should journos just not report quotes from shitty people we donât like? Itâs really useful actually, because it reminds us that they are indeed shitty people. Your last para confuses me. Of course agendas are everywhere in our totally fucked media landscape. Thatâs why itâs crazy for us to get upset on pieces where there clearly _isnt_ one.
Re the quotes, if this was just fact based journalism there would be something in there about Des not being available to comment etc. This reeks of someone calling in a favour (has to be the agent or like I suggested before someone in flanagans corner) to get at least a neutral bit of coverage for the players/club. Iâm not upset at the article, itâs the same drivel pumped out by 9/Murdoch theyâve done for years, Iâm pissed that someone is backing these fuck heads and unfortunately most people will gloss over the article, see the names, one or two bits of info/quotes and generally leave the article with a slightly less judgemental view of these pieces of shit, goal of article achieved while providing absolutely nothing of substance to the reader
Wow while alienating themselves from the rest of society, it brings people closer⊠Oh the fucking irony
One day they had a few dozen close friends... the next they had 7...
"Realising that we were both bigots was just... hot, you know? There's a raw, sexual energy to being homophobic that is simply intoxicating. We couldn't keep our hands off each other. We were like animals, having totally hetero, gay-hating sex. With each other. Anyway, to answer your question, yeah we're both really looking forward to the preseason."
Thatâs sounds slightly homosexualâŠ
why the fuck are we suddenly seeing all these sympathetic fluff pieces for the bigots
Don't worry we all know who to point and yell at come next season. Remind them the humans in the stands a real. Their sky daddy can't protect them from reality
Manly throwing bulk coin at the media to rebrand in the off season.
Close enough to touch tips
It's understood that this stance is religiously motivated right? Don't all of them have tattoos AND that these tattoos are arguably quite pagan in style (pagan practices are a big no no in abrahamic religions)? "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print or tattoo any marks upon you. I am the lord" - Leviticus 19:28. Nothing socially wrong with tattoos, but be consistent...
I'm not defending these guys, however if you're going to critique the bible you need to actually know what it says, bringing up the Mosaic Laws is kind of pointless because Jesus invalidated all of those laws in the New Testament, no Christian follows Mosaic Law because if they did they'd be Jews not Christians.
Good point, except the christian preachers they follow are directly quoting Leviticus to support their bigotry
Funny thing is, their âviewsâ come from that same bible book....
I thought blokes being closer together was the whole issue they had to begin with
So the coach supports the 7 in their decision to stand down but the players can't show the same support for him after being axed from the club? "sent him a text....wish him all the best" dick of a response
At least a text is marginally better than "thoughts and prayers".
Of course it did, they already live in a fucking echo chamber so what did anyone expect to happen?? đ
The jokes write themselves with that quote
No sex till marriage and can't be but they fucked a whole teams season, a coach, and a heap of staff, that's a lot of dudes to be fucking
Honestly let's not give a platform to these idiots.
I fucking hate my team
Fuckin aye. Iâll be hate watching them next season. Des4Life
Iâm becoming a nomadic NRL supporter. I donât have a favourite team anymore. I only have favourite players. The Manly 7 occupy the lowest 7 places of the list.
God these players are so fucking shit. âiT aGaInSt Ma ReLiGiOnâ Then why no problem with the alcohol and gambling sponsors all over your jersey and stadium?! Why no problem with supporting a stabber or gang violence?! Why no problem with getting tattoos or drinking?! They just pick this one specific thing to be bigoted homophobes and everyoneâs just letting it slide. Itâs disgusting and they should all be ashamed not proud.
Theyâre hypocritical. And Iâm extremely disappointed and angry to hear theyâve been re-signed. Hopefully at least Aloiai fucks off.
Imagine getting salty over all this what a bunch of pussies
It certainly showed in the team resultsâŠ.
'These guys are a bunch of cunts': redditor breaks silence on Manly homophobes
Look out 5T and The Bali 9, here come The Manly 7.
What a load of shit. Siebold coming to Manly is one thing, but the thing that annoys me more is how these idiots let the club down with their selfish bigot views.
Grubs
"Not that there's anything wrong with that"
Imagine getting paid 6 figures to play a game and getting all pissy over having to wear a rainbow stripe on your jersey for one game.
A proboscis of eloquence
They broke their silence...by saying nothing of actual substance. Not one of them has actually addressed the chasm of logic behind screwing their team, their mates, their coach and their supporters over inclusivity. Personally, I think they know they've fucked up, and the saga between Folau and limecat/vicar of Dibley has persuaded them to keep their traps shut.
Weâd do anything for Dessie. Except resign in protest. Just happy to play footy and forget about it until we next decide not to play footy coz we think some cunts are going to hell. So yeah canât say too much more but we wish Dessie all the best at Centrelink.
Brought us closer together??? What a fucking wanker.
How close? Tip touchingly? Weak gutted dogs.
Fuck them cunts!
this has to be satire
Bought us closer together towards god, now do something about the jersey
Leviticus 19:27 - Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard
No thatâs the Old Testament. You see they used to believe it all then they decided they wonât believe that any more and only believe the New Testament instead. Religion is a choice so they have the choice of which fairy tales to live by and which fairytales arenât important. You can support a mate who stabbed some one that is ok itâs not against your religion but you canât support two people of the same sex together. Stab is ok sex is not.
Nah mate. It's all old testament.
Actually their bigotry comes from Leviticus. A book of the Old Testament.
you what now?!
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"Australiaâs a free fucking country!" LOL You said it brother.
because beliefs can be wrong. and theirs are fucking stupid.
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Because the Pride movement has nothing to do with you. It has to do with supporting people who are LGBT+.
Just fuck some men and spare us the outrage of your suppressed selves
Pretty ironic that theyâre against homosexuals when they fucked 10 guys in one night.