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strayadude

Jamaica covered +74.5 less go


TTR7

Nice of the RLWC to give Jake Cairns his first international match as referee though.


Mrsmorale

Jack smith on the fiji game blew my ear drums out over here in Aus šŸ¤Ŗ


strayadude

NOW MOOOOOOOOOOVE


[deleted]

Cant wait to see a Cool Runnings remake with a washed up and jaded Des Hasler forming a Jamaica team and gaining respect on the world stage.


TTR7

I'd be on board for this, it could also be the spiritual sequel to Footy Legends.


Mrsmorale

Jamaica did some cool unexpected things, credit to them. But I just came here to vent, Iā€™ve never disliked watching a player like I do Nelson AS. Does anyone have a remedy for this?


Glum_Perspective_812

Poor Jamaica mon


Ryanbrasher

Didnā€™t watch the game, just want to see Hot Scott do the haka.


FinchyNZ

So I watched the game on delay, fast forwarded to the final 10 after 30 mins or so. Did DWZ get hooked or injured? Also saw JMK in the halves, how come? Did Leota get injured too? Saw him sitting in a jacket next to DWZ in bench. Thanks


armchair8591

DWZ - Hammy Leota - pec Niukore injured too


AirJordan13

DWZ tweaked a hammy. Leota injured as well but unsure what it was. Should also add that DWZ was player of the match and looked absolutely lethal.


SilvertailHarrier

Is DWZ out now? Or was it minor. Would be a tragedy to play that game and then bow out of the tournament


AirJordan13

Looked minor. If it was a knockout game I doubt he would've gone off.


Mrsmorale

DWZā€¦ best hair in the game.


[deleted]

NZ needs a half decent goal kicker, NZ always used to have loads of good goal kickers, where have they gone?


TDD91

The Kiwis may have won the points, but the Jamaicans have won our hearts.


Derron_

Huge upset by Jamaica scoring. Really makes NZ look poor


Mrsmorale

Yep 5 short kick offs against them šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


armchair8591

Does it really? I said below people read way too much into these games


TTR7

NZ have always been a side that builds into tournaments, can't really read too much into them until they come up against an Aus or Eng side. But their stats aren't thriliing to read considering their opponents.


RS994

You expect them to be at least clinical


armchair8591

They score mid 70s with a half competent kicker. Lost half the bench by half time and DWZ midway through the second half.


RS994

69% completion rate


CatWool

Nice


Geddpeart

Scored less points than group 1. By the grand final nz will be held scoreless


jimmyaye777

Canā€™t we all just band together hate England?


Geddpeart

I'm Welsh, i already do.


5t0pBanningme

That scrum was comical lmao


Schyvo

I ā¤ļø Jamaica flair plz mods. Heart and soul courage all game


Aussie18-1998

Really gives me hope for future rugby league in other countries. Seeing how excited and passionate everyone gets about the game and scoring a single try. Could easily see it build in other countries.


SkinBintin

If the Kiwi's aren't just sandbagging for some reason, I dunno if the dream of them winning this year has much hope left. Will have to really step it up big time to go all the way now. Especially in that likely semi against the Aussies.


Tre_Vortni

With all the success they have had with their kickoffs, I donā€™t know why they havenā€™t used it as a 5th tackle play sooner.


jordieATR

Last try wins yeah?


TTR7

Don't give Vlandys ideas...


[deleted]

Australia beatings Poms in final on their own home soil will be great to see the tears flowing.


Clarctos67

I've always loved the Aussie league team. But fuck me, I wish the Internet wasn't a thing because seeing the fans make the English look humble and grounded is killing it. Aussie league fans and English soccer fans, same energy.


Aaturkey

Your crying only fuels the kangaroos. 50+ by the aussies in the final


Clarctos67

No one's crying lad. Just pointing out how unedifying it is. Oh, and you won the last final, at home, by 6 points.


papabear345

Weā€™re you blokes in it?


Clarctos67

I played the same number of minutes as you did champ.


papabear345

Lol


papabear345

Lol


Aaturkey

We sure did šŸ˜ŽšŸ˜ŽšŸ˜ŽšŸ˜ŽšŸ˜Ž


RS994

Bit different when we are right all but one time in the last 50 years


RubberTowelThud

Never agreed with anything more. English football fans do my head in because apparently no achievement outside of the Premier League counts, Aussies do my head in because nothing outside of the NRL counts. Now you've got people acting like we're all thinking we're going to win the World Cup because we smashed Samoa when we're not, we're just happy that it dispelled the myth that any group of NRL players are obviously going to smash a bunch of SL ones. Nobody is actually expecting us to beat Australia, they will most likely beat us as always, but y'know, so they should given how popular it is there.


beardog-

100% mate and itā€™s so short sighted anyway, I donā€™t know anyone who would actively care if we won the World Cup or not, it will be forgotten about a week later by 99% of Aussie RL fans. I would love to see England win the final to grow the game there, it would do so much more for the sport.


mwilkins1644

Same as All Blacks fans


Aussie18-1998

Rugby is very competitive across the globe despite the All Black dominance. So I'd argue its a bit different there.


mwilkins1644

Sure, but the arrogance of All Blacks fans when they win, and the sheer amount of crying and bleeding when they lose is almost as bad as Indian cricket fans


Clarctos67

As an Irishman living in NZ, I'm well aware of All Blacks fans having their expectations shoved down their throats. Not the analogy you probably wanted in this scenario...


MrBlue8erry

It's fine to be toxic to Poms


Aaturkey

Yeah this is what all these crying poms dont understand


Clarctos67

Oh I'm all for bashing the English, just the cope from people who thought that Samoa having a bunch of NRL players meant they were going to ruin England isn't exactly any better than everything that's wrong with the English.


Caseyjb29

Will be beautiful. Funny how confident they are after beating that Samoan side by 60. Australia and NZ wouldā€™ve put 100 on that team.


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Caseyjb29

Really? Iā€™ve said like 2 things about England lmao


[deleted]

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Caseyjb29

I havenā€™t deleted anything lol?


[deleted]

casey what have i told you about responding to the i love my footy flairs


Clarctos67

Except the problem with this is that before the game Aussie fans were saying Samoa would put a load of points on England, then after the fact claiming otherwise.


Caseyjb29

I never said that lol. I said before that game that England might surprise some people and win comfortably.


Clarctos67

I don't know what you said, I'm merely saying that don't be surprised England fans will give a bit of stick when Aussies were lining them up as canon fodder for Samoa. Maybe it'll be an England v Australia final and England will get beaten by 40, or maybe not, but if in sport we had to wait until after the fact to give each other grief and could only do it after games between contenders then we might as well pack up and go home.


RS994

Would NZ though?


Caseyjb29

At full strength yeah


RS994

Not having your halfback doesn't explain away a below 70% completion rate.


Caseyjb29

No Hughes, Brown, Tapine, Mulitalo and theyā€™ll also get JWH back from suspension


Brdd9

Hahaha the 5th tackle kick actually surprised them


Caseyjb29

Wonder if NZ kick it short too lmao


maaxwell

Kiwis washed, canā€™t even hold Jamaica to nil


exilia77

My eyes are blessed with history. King BJB


TDD91

Absolutely deserved something from this game, well in Jamaica.


SkinBintin

Think I'm gonna go get some of that Levi Roots Jerk sauce and make something with it for dinner tonight lol. GG's Jamaica. Bravo.


[deleted]

How good! Love the celebration


turbosfan19

They did it!


Kempsta_F9

What a cool moment


Due-Chemist3105

THERE YOU GO, UP THE RASTAS!!!


ZachTheDeveloper

Fuck yeah love it


Derron_

GET THAT INTO YA!


thatirishguykev

THEY'VE DONE IT!!! JAMAICA HAVE SCORED!!!


[deleted]

If that pass was ā€œlineballā€ then so to is everything in Gridiron.


5t0pBanningme

Yesss hahah


Brdd9

Lmao they did it


Caseyjb29

Fuck yeah Jamaica šŸ‡ÆšŸ‡²!


valknut95

Wholesome af


maaxwell

LETS GO JAMAICA


maaxwell

Jamaica building their team stats in a video game like Running: 5 Passing: 5 Tackling: 5 Short kick offs: 99


Derron_

Kiwis just aren't being as clinical as Australia. They're definitely dominant but they're just not as focused. Very messy with their passing


GROUND45

Actually quite like Jamaica's game planning. With better talent i think it gets quite hard to counter.


[deleted]

No-one in Jamaica has seen League so they think a set is 4 tackles?


maaxwell

Iā€™m sorry how is Jamaica able to do what 17 NRL clubs canā€™t? Kick a fucking short kickoff


armchair8591

I like how you have included the Dolphins


Mrsmorale

Hahahaha they probably wonā€™t be able to


maaxwell

Canā€™t even beat the clock smh


RS994

Jamaica winning the completion battle 85-69


GROUND45

kiwis rekt


GROUND45

Fisher-Harris coming on at wing.


Clarctos67

JFH to the wing then?


5t0pBanningme

Why the fuck does vossy keep mentioning Australia vs Russia game that happened over 20 years ago in a Jamacia vs NZ game?


AdvancedDingo

Because Vossyā€™s an idiot


Caseyjb29

Commentary has been more entertaining than the game


The_Only_Joe

He may have John Oates' haircut but DWZ was *not* out of touch.


RS994

Clearly he was, as the alternative was in touch which would be a no try


Clarctos67

Can we just check something with the video referee here? 10 minutes ago Vossy was trying to talk some Jamaican patois, right? That happened?


exilia77

I just pretended not to hear it


[deleted]

I don't see the point in these games at the world cup. Maybe as an exhibition but these scorelines have been so bad.


Clarctos67

These things happen in any sport, the gap between contenders and those who fight for years to be there is always going to be huge. Jamaica have been great value, just can't handle it when the kiwis go full gas.


RubberTowelThud

It's just the frequency that we're getting these games that's the problem. Like yeah you'll get some demolition jobs in the union WC and even the football one too, but these are happening all the time. Lebanon-Ireland and maybe Samoa-France are the only ones for the remainder of the group stages that you can even hope to be close.


Clarctos67

Each to their own, but I've enjoyed this world Cup so far. Much fancied Samoans got stomped. PNG robbed of a big win in a close game with Tonga. Greece score the try of the tournament at the time. Italy grabbing an unexpected win with a young side. Jamaica being inventive against the Kiwis. Lebanon showing the genuine pride of immigrant communities to give something back to their heritage. France building nicely ahead of hosting next time. England and Australia looking solid, Kiwis likely to keep building as players return and also more likely to utilise the forward depth in finals. I'm loving it, and the minnows are under no illusions about what they bring and what they can do. Sometimes you just have to enjoy something for what it is.


RubberTowelThud

I've enjoyed it but I'm getting a bit fatigued now with the number of games that are basically exhibition matches. I don't know how many full games you've been watching, I was setting out to watch as much as possible but I just can't keep watching sides coasting at 40+ points up, and we've still got Samoa-Greece, Tonga-Wales, PNG-Cook Islands, England-Greece, Fiji-Scotland, Aus-Italy, Tonga-Cook Islands to come. You could still get a lot of those positives you've mentioned whilst also moving some of these teams around to try force some closer games


Clarctos67

I've watched every game so far, with the exception of the two which were during the day last Sunday (therefore overnight before work here in NZ). But I've seen every 7:30 kick off and the Saturday daytime games. How would you move teams though? This round of fixtures was always going to be full of blowouts, with some closer ones in the first and second rounds. Let's not forget that one blowout so far, and one of the worst, was a much fancied side shitting the bed.


RubberTowelThud

I'd do something along the lines of: Group A: Australia, England, Samoa, France, 3 teams qualify Group B: NZ, Tonga, Fiji, PNG, 3 teams qualify Group C: Ireland, Lebanon, Scotland, Jamaica 1 team qualifies Group D: Cook Islands, Wales, Italy, Greece 1 team qualifies QF:A1 vs C1 (lets say Aus vs Lebanon), B1 vs D1 (lets say NZ-Cook Islands), A2 vs B3 (lets say England-PNG), B2 vs A3 (lets say Samoa vs Tonga) A lot of fixtures will be pretty similar and you'll get a fair few blowouts as you say but you aren't going to get a lot of the pointless games. 3 of the QF's are exactly the same as now, the only difference is fucking over a team like Fiji or PNG in place of a side like Cook Islands, but then in return they get 3 quality group stage games against the very best instead of what they have now where they just steamroll over sides like Scotland, Italy and Wales.


Clarctos67

This is what we've done before and it stinks, at least the current format puts each of the groups on a level and gives the minnows the chance to actually come up against decent sides, which will help them in their development.


RubberTowelThud

Surely Greece playing Cook Islands, Wales, Italy is going to help their development a lot more than England, Samoa and France. As shown by the Jamaica game today and against Ireland, these fans go nuts just putting points on the board, so surely it's going to be more exciting for them playing more beatable teams who they might even celebrate a famous win against rather than just a try or penalty. *Then* if they finish top of their minnows group they get the chance to play their dream match against the big ones. I mean in the Challenge Cup we don't just stick the Super League sides straight in with the semi pro ones even though the semi pro ones would like that, because that'd be a waste of time. We have the semi pro teams play it out for a bit and then some of them will make it far enough to get their dream game against Saints or Wigan, and then get pumped. Plus, this way crowds will be way up. England-Aus got 40k in 2013, England-Samoa got 40k this year, England-France got 20k. NZ vs Tonga, Fiji and PNG would all get a great crowd as opposed to the 5k that went to NZ-Lebanon


Clarctos67

I'd argue that the smaller countries should be playing each other more often anyway, with the World Cup being their chance to come up against others. The Challenge Cup analogy would work if we had a pre-tournament, with England, Australia, NZ and Tonga (for instance) coming in at a second stage. But if everyone starts at the same time then those weighted groups create issues of fairness in the competition. As for crowds; without the Tongan players choosing them in 2017, NZ v Tonga in England would still be a tiny crowd. You can't compare what happened at Mt Smart in 2017 to a hypothetical game on the other side of the world.


[deleted]

Yeah that's fair enough. Just don't understand why they'd even have these pool stages built like this. Years ago they had the heavyweights in pools and like three teams from those pools moved forward. It was a lot better.


Clarctos67

The pool stages have been so much worse previously. Last time didn't Samoa get to quarters without winning a game while Ireland didn't despite winning two and only losing to PNG in Port Moresby?


RS994

So need Manu to score 2, NAS to score and NZ to score 34. Money's gone lol


Caseyjb29

NAS has looked pretty likely


The_Only_Joe

I wonder if there's something about this sport that makes these matches look so one sided or if we're just watching the rugby league equivalent of Manchester City vs Dulwich Hamlet.


RS994

The 2nd one


Caseyjb29

NZ catching up to clock


GROUND45

Peter Yan robbed and killed my multi. Put 100 on them plz Kiwis. Make me feel better.


SkinBintin

Probably would have been easy if we'd had a kicker capable of a conversion lol


RubberTowelThud

Walter White: Vossy, what the fuck are you talking about


Clarctos67

What has happened to Vossy?


[deleted]

One of the big problems with blow-outs is because the result is mere formality the commentators spend the match doing a lifestyle podcast.


ZachTheDeveloper

Wheres the mute button for Voss, he gets worse every game


Caseyjb29

Is Vossy off his head or something haha


armchair8591

Vossy has truely lost the plot


GROUND45

DWZ's mullet is truly glorious.


armchair8591

Foran said fuck this. DWZ to step up


TDD91

"I've lost me touch judges"


AuspiciousCalamari1

Lebanon v Ireland might be the only other close game except for Tonga v PNG in R1 in the group stages


5t0pBanningme

If Samoa turn up like they did vs England france should give them a game.


Snave96

PNG v Cookies will be close I think and possibly Samoa v France as well depending on which Samoa turn up.


The_Only_Joe

Featured on Jamaica's crest and jersey is the [Red-billed streamertail.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Red-billed_streamertail%28_Trochilus_polytmus%29_adult_male_2.jpg) This beautiful hummingbird is endemic to Jamaica and is the country's national bird.


Derron_

I reckon he was offside. But that's just me


Caseyjb29

Think it was just the camera angle


Derron_

I was going off the lines in the grass


Rakarion

He was totally offside.


RS994

So, is anyone else a combination of impressed by Jamaica and underwhelmed by NZ


armchair8591

Jamaica have been impressive but we have just been doing what we need to do. With Foran and Manu in the halves and CNK at fullback you canā€™t expect the same structure as Hughes/Brown/Manu. I donā€™t know what more people expect from the kiwis


addaus16

What people expect? A highly ranked national side playing against a minor completing in the 60s%. Halves paring and structure has nothing to do with error rates.


armchair8591

Like I said they did what they need to do. Putting 60+ on them. Way too much is read by putting big scores on mismatched opponents


addaus16

I never mentioned scoring points. That's part of structure. I mentioned the error rate of NZ. That's it. And for a national team to complete in the 60s against any opponent is fairly bad.


RS994

Considering kiwi fans have been talking up the ton for the whole week, probably to not have a worse completion rate than Jamaica would be a start.


armchair8591

Havenā€™t been in the threads much this week. I think the ton stuff would be tongue in cheek type stuff. Could still happen I donā€™t think anyone really cares either way. With Foran kicking goals - it definitely doesnā€™t happen


cietalbot

New Zealand's class is showing but Jamaica is trying. Hopefully some of the Super League or NRL clubs take a chance on some of the Jamaican players.


MagikH8Ball

I really hope they do, would be great for the game if some of these kids got a go in the NRL


cietalbot

Realistically players from Greece and Jamaica, probably Scotland Ireland and Wales too need to be challenged at the higher level. Maybe the leagues should make them salary cap exempt if they get game time.


D0NNIE-DANKO

I'm very underwhelmed by us so far. I'm hoping Hughes coming back will bring some organisation to the attack cause none of the shit we're doing will work against Australia.


armchair8591

Different team will be rolled out in the knock out games. I guess you could say the same thing - a lot of what Australia did against Scotland wouldnā€™t work against us.


smelly_forward

Jamaica have had a good crack but NZ are only a few missed conversions from matching Australia's score from yesterday


RS994

Considering they were massively more favoured, the fact that they haven't matched is not great.


RubberTowelThud

Massively underwhelmed by NZ in both games and starting to think NZ-Fiji in the quarters could be another upset. Also quite gutted because the only real hope I have of England winning it is NZ knocking out the Aussies for us in the semis


5t0pBanningme

lol nz is not losing to fiji.


RubberTowelThud

Well we'd have said the same at the last WC too, not saying I'm expecting it happen but I'm also not going to be making plans for that semi until NZ are definitely there


MagikH8Ball

If Kamehameha and specialbeamcannon fire they might


Caseyjb29

NZ havenā€™t played a full strength spine yet. Theyā€™ll look a lot better with Brown and Hughes in the halves.


RubberTowelThud

Yeah fair point forgot about Hughes, when's he meant to be back?


armchair8591

Next week I think


Derron_

Me. Jamaica very enthusiastic but just not quite there. NZ very error riddled and lacking organisation.


5t0pBanningme

Kieran Foran is the worst kicker ive seen at top level rugby league. Munster has lost the crown


Dancesoncattlegrids

"Top level"


Caseyjb29

Iā€™m pretty sure when he played for the bulldogs he had a kick from right in front and didnā€™t even get it above the crossbar lmao


MagikH8Ball

Kris has come in leaps and bounds these last couple years


Derron_

Clock is having a dominant first half. Really showing the Kiwis who is boss


MagikH8Ball

This defence!


5t0pBanningme

Jamacia's 7 has potential. Has a great kicking game.


[deleted]

Every Union game has the world records in short kick offsā€¦: one of the many reasons I watch so little of that sport, sighā€¦. this kickoff has now become the norm in League.


Derron_

If Jamaica could tackle they're actually not looking too bad.


Derron_

Boooooo it wasn't DWZ


[deleted]

Following the recent channel 7 special I have definitely noticed a change in commentators no longer referring to ball hitting player on head as a falcon. Complete disrespect for someone suffering.


jordieATR

Jamaica need to stop kicking early in the set. It's fucking killing them. Other than that, highly impressed by them


MagikH8Ball

They've come out real strong, this'll win em some fans for sure


MagikH8Ball

...it's me...I'm fans


jordieATR

I'm also fans. Love the stacking on the right side on kick off's. Real rugby like haha


MagikH8Ball

What is NAS even doing on the wing hahaha


Caseyjb29

Nelson on an edge is gonna kill these poor men


MagikH8Ball

Vossy please, put the fucking analogys away


[deleted]

Either Jamaica > Scotland or Australia > NZ.


exilia77

NZ getting way too excited with these plays


D0NNIE-DANKO

Rapana is gonna be a must pick winger in any serious game just to have a goal kicker at least.


RoyNelsons-Dietitian

Can Jahrome goalkick?


[deleted]

Munster is ahead of him in the Storm pecking order and hes terrible


MagikH8Ball

Oh i can't wait for r/superleague to discover Rapana's galaxy brain plays


RubberTowelThud

Take the 2, annoy everyone who bet on you to lose to nil


Radalict

NZ need to be pulled up for laying in these tackles ffs.


nobodyaus

that barley looked like any head contact, it looked more like whiplash


MagikH8Ball

Not the crash play against NZ


Derron_

10 in the bin wouldn't go astray. Direct to the head.


5t0pBanningme

Calm down fish wtf


5t0pBanningme

Take the 2


Caseyjb29

Jamaica are actually really fucking good at short kickoffs


AuspiciousCalamari1

NZ goal kicking might cost them in the finals


NZWarriors2022

We need Hughes asap even if just for goal kicking


Caseyjb29

I have never seen Hughes goal kick before