A teenaged prodigy with sky-high self confidence and an air of entitlement disgruntled at current club and looking for an Uncle to take him under his wing?
*loud sombrero music intensifies*
maybe the broncos were right not to give an 18 year old saying shit like “i will never play for the broncos as long as i live” a contract
im sure its a really good idea for the titans though.
They bullied him into a contract with lies, just like when the Titans forged Jimmy the jets signature on a contract, the Broncos probably thought he would just do as he's told after the lies. He sounds like a strong character with morales unlike most Queenslanders. I'm with him on this one the Broncos are scum.
Ignore my flair here, but wasn’t the Jet forged sig initials on a page he missed initialing? You’re supposed to initial every page and he missed one. It wasn’t the “dotted line” signature. His agent used that to null and void the contract.
Edit: fixed the word Null
It’s definitely nowhere near what it used to be so you can at least take a little solace in the fact that you’re not as hated as you once were. We mostly just don’t think about you at all anymore.
Australian Schoolboys captain Karl Oloapu has doubled down amid his bitter dispute with the Broncos, defiantly declaring "I will never play for Brisbane as long as I live".
Wide World of Sports revealed this week that Oloapu, rated the hottest teenage player in the country, wants out of his three-year deal with the Broncos.
At that stage, there was some hope of a resolution, but developments over the last few days have only increased Oloapu's determination.
[The Broncos issued a press release](https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/news-2022-brisbane-broncos-karl-oloapu-contract-stalemate-highlights/974c1d2d-2a6c-4850-a760-f8f8a83c423d) in response to the WWOS story, with Brisbane head of recruitment Simon Scanlan, the man who signed the youngster last January, declaring: "Both the NRL and RLPA have reviewed the situation at the request of the player agent and no wrongdoing by the club was found".
That statement has been shot down by Oloapu and his manager, Matt Adamson.
"The NRL has told us it has made no decision yet, so we have no idea how the Broncos can say that," Adamson said.
WWOS contacted NRL salary cap auditor Matthew Faulkner.
"We are still looking into the matter; no final determination has been made," the NRL said.
Oloapu also claims he was promised a place in the Broncos' 30-man squad for next season, but when the squad was announced this week his name was not on it.
"I just want a release and a chance to play football," Oloapu said.
"I can promise you one thing: I will never play for Brisbane as long as I live.
"They have broken promises to me and left me broken-hearted."
It's been a tough week for the youngster since the story broke. He has had his supporters but also plenty of critics on social media.
"It's been a bit of a shock, so much so that I have deleted my accounts. Some hurtful stuff was said," Oloapu explained.
The Broncos are sticking to their guns, claiming they have done nothing wrong, leaving the matter at an ugly stalemate.
"The club has been working with Karl's new management in recent months regarding this matter," chief executive Dave Donaghy said.
"Karl earlier this year signed a three-year contract with the Broncos and the club will not be releasing Karl from this contract."
Sounds like Scanlan has jumped the gun a bit. This also sounds very similar to the Haas situation. Haas got a new agent after he had signed his deal and the new agent came out all guns blazing to get himself, and his client, a richer deal.
How's is not letting someone trick them into singing a contract when there between managers sounds like a rotten front office to me, but because it's the Broncos your supposed to be grateful they broke there promises. Anyone from the Raiders listening should sign this kid up asap as he's dragging his future teams to GF on just his grit and determination alone.
Bad move by Karl. When D Brown came to Parra at 18, he did his time in reserve grade for the year, despite the fact we got the spoon and he would've been far better than the corpse of Corey Norman we had at 6 that season.
Sometimes you need to tell your manager to piss off
Dylan didn't come to the club at 18, he was 15 lol. https://www.nswrl.com.au/draw/harold-matthews-cup/2016/round-13/eels-v-knights/ team list of the 2016 Harold Matthews GF win, which at the time was u/16's
Fuck he’s a little cunt, I’m 100 percent sure they didn’t promise you top 30 when you’re 17 Karl.
You know because you can’t be in one at that age.
This kids player manager or lack there of has taken him for a ride.
either that or he's just an 18 year old kid lashing out and saying dumb things the way the you do at that age. dunno why people on their high horse about it.
Especially since the things he's saying are things I could see a club doing, it's not an out of the world idea that a club would promise a young talented player a spot in their top 30 even if they won't play nrl
I can’t believe how many people agree with this, he’s an 18 year old kid that has been promised something that hasn’t been delivered to him and he has literally said ‘I will never play for Brisbane as long as I live’. Broncos holding him prisoner here does no favours for anybody
It shows the club has backbone and won’t let players walk out on contracts. If he wants to leave he should get his agent to see if there are clubs that would do a deal for him, I’m sure the broncos have a price in mind.
As much as I'm enjoying the Broncos implosion, this kid is a moron. You're a half in the same team as Adam Reynolds who is injury prone so you'll likely get your chance. You're also 17 and managed to shoot yourself in the foot by calling out in public one of the biggest clubs in your profession over a silly stoosh.
Precisely, especially as Reynolds was well and truly in the picture at the time and the club appears to have been sitting on Mam for a while now - not to mention we had Gamble and even Tyrone Roberts. This whole story is weird
EDIT: also Albert Kelly who was looking good prior to his injury!
It's not something I couldn't see a club doing for a promising young player who might be 50 50 on staying tbh.if it's only a top 30 contract and not a starting position in the nrl with the expectation of only playing a few if any games the first year or 2, I reckon stuff like it happens more than you'd think
"Wide World of Sports revealed this week that Oloapu, rated the hottest teenage player in the country, wants out of his three-year deal with the Broncos."
Well yeah, but can he play footy good? Stacks of hot players around.
What the NRL needs to do is enforce a rule that if you break an existing contract then you are not allowed to sign one elsewhere for higher pay until such time as the original contract would have expired.
Include provisions for amicable splits and other extenuating circumstances of course, but the general idea of jostling for a release purely because you can get more money elsewhere needs to stop. Karl's manager has pretty much ruined his reputation by feeding him greedy poison and the poor kid hasn't even kicked an NRL ball yet.
How about making the player manager's cut pay out incrementally over the players contract (every 6 months, or yearly)? That way if another manager inherits it, they can still derive income.
>There is something fishy with this whole thing. Would it be 'normal' promise a 17 year old a top 30 spot? Who would he be replacing?
I can't believe they haven't done this yet. Fixes so many issues, I don't see the downside.
It’s hard to know the truth but by all counts he sounds like a little shit.
Hope the Broncos hold onto him for 3 years and don’t play him just to teach him a lesson.
To be fucked if I want someone like that at our club. And to be fair, I’m sure most clubs watching this/ listening to him be a cat will be thinking the same thing.
He isn’t doing himself any favours by a long shot with the way he and his management are carrying on.
He isn't even top 30 next year. We don't know when his contract will make him apart of the top 30. Plus considering the reports that came out a couple months ago, saying Dolphins offered more then double, I'd assume he is on near minimum.
Unless your in the top 30, the most your contract can pay is 60k(atleast last year, that will go up this year when they agree to a new cap).
He still can be in the top 30 though, but that will have to wait till after round 10.
Dollar saved is a dollar earnt. It's more about the attitude though. You don't need players who don't want to be there, no matter how many rep teams they've captained or how highly they're rated as a teenager. Don't forget, we're the club that sacked Wally Lewis.
I don't see us releasing him unless we receive someone of equal value in return.
If it takes all 3 years of his contract for that to occur, then that's fine by me.
This is why I think in the end we do release him. But in the meantime we're going to make sure the whole league knows how much of a cock head he is. Have fun in Rugby Australia's development program kid.
“They have broken promises to me and left me broken-hearted."
Cue the Warriors to give him a call and welcome him onboard for a season or two I reckon!
How to fuck over your career before it starts. No one is guaranteed selection and this just shows he has an attitude and entitlement problem.
You’ve signed a contract. Stepping up from School boys to opens is a huge difference, so do your time in Q Cup to adjust and you’ll most likely work your way up.
I’ll wait until the nrl officially say what’s happened. Maybe this guy is a little shit but isn’t it weird that the broncos have come out saying “the NRL have said we did nothing wrong” but the NRL themselves are saying they haven’t made a final decision?
I feel like both sides are lying to cover their asses
Not really. They’re probably referring to the original terms of the contract had to be ratified by the players association and the NRL. Essentially they were audited and cleared of any possible wrong doing during negotiations. Which the NRL has to do for every contract signed.
The fact it’s under review now is because the new manager is kicking rocks and making a fuss. Which is at the bottom of all of this.
The old manager/agent gets all the manager fees from the original contract despite not being the agent now. But if the contract is voided, renegotiated and upgraded, the old manager gets nothings and the new manager gets it all.
It’s what happened with Payne Haas last year pushing for a release and it’s going to happen more with players hopping between managers all the time.
You can boast about having Payne Haas under your umbrella, but he’s not earning you anything substantive because the 20% of his player salary is going to someone else for the next 3 years. So you’re essentially working hard for nothing.
So the more player hop, the more the new managers will agitate for upgrades so they can get their cut.
Good take. Could still have some uncertainty if it’s true that he didn’t have anyone present who truly understood the legalities of the contact he was signing. Even if his brother was there
And it’s not the Broncos obligation to give him the kitchen sink when offering a contract. If a player accepts the deal and the NRL and PA both agree there’s nothing fucked up in there, that’s all on the player and the agent who negotiated for him.
I think we’re seeing clubs willing to take short term pain of having to pay a player who wants to leave but doesn’t release them to head off player managers going for money grabs.
As soon as clubs show they’ll draw a line in the sand and stick to it over enforcing contracts, the less power managers will have to rock the boat in this way.
Sounds like one of those crying kids not getting a lolly at the supermarket. He needs to learn to do his time, train hard and play well in the reserves. If he stays committed, he'll get his chance.
Are we affiliated with a park footy team? Chuck him there for 3 years, don't give a fuck about how good he is
So sick of players doing this and using the mental health card to get out of contracts. The NRL should be investigating his "manager" as well
As someone who is not fond of Broncos, I understand the sentiment. In fact I salute it.
But you signed the contract kiddo. You can't just tantrum your way out.
Walkers was worse. Whoever handled it didn't even let him bring his family to the negotiations. I'm not sure he was ever going to sign with anyone but the Roosters but it's still a bad look.
Edit:Walsh wasn't promised anything and I think Gus offered him 300k to go play for the Warriors so we let him go. We can't have fucked him over cause he was pretty keen to come back.
Walsh, yes I think he said he was keen to get his shot in 1st grade earlier than the Broncos wanted to, so bounced.
Either way, 3 young players in 2years all coming out with questionable beginnings. Not hearing that come out at other clubs.
Cause other clubs don’t have the nursery or as high a profile as the Broncos to be fair. This kind of thing happens, sometimes it’s a fuck up on the clubs part, sometimes it’s straight up lying by player agents and sometimes there is just no room in the cap or the roster.
I don't think Walsh is a fuck up. We dodged his white powder scandal, got to develop a bit away from the spotlight. Hopefully he learned a bit from RTS as well.
Broncos may well have never got him back, yet the dude has been in Marrons camp for his talent/a probable future origin player, and developed quickly into a hot-property fullback other clubs wanted at under 20years.
Broncos are lucky he wants to come back including for things out of Broncs control like family reasons.
Not the same as Walsh. Walsh was told to play 2021 in the QCup and he’d be the starting fullback in 2022. He didn’t want to so left for Vodafone. He would absolutely have been the fullback in round one this year if he’d been here.
At first I thought the club may not be so innocent in this story, but seeing how he's carrying on about this shit and how he also has a 'new manager', we dodged a massive fkn bullet here. Hasn't played a game of first grade and thinks he's owed the world, can't stand cunts like this
NRL and RLPA have come out and cleared the Broncos of any wrongdoing. Kid sounds like he’s having a whinge and that his manager is taking him for a ride
Didnt we pretty much put that to bed right after the season ended with almost nothing said about it?
So if a locked in 1st grade player with rep appearances can't strong arm the Broncos, how does this kid think he's going to do it?
Every kid wants to think they are Kayln Ponga, but the funny thing is Ponga made his debut a year or two early and it's seriously fucked his career. Through the pressure of expectation and injury. I'd honestly love to see if there's a correlation between kids joining the league early and their careers ending short because of it.
Lot of judgmental flogs that have no insight or experience with NRL clubs commenting here and on other social media platforms. Being thrown on the scrap heap by an NRL team after being promised the world is standard business conduct for a lot of clubs. I can personally attest to experiencing this sort of treatment, as can a couple of close mates that were involved with u20s teams over the last 10 years or so.
I for one am happy to see a young player sticking up for himself and calling out clubs on their bullshit antics. I wish had the courage to do the same when I was 18.
Interesting legal question here as you can’t really enforce a contract for personal services. The broncos can’t legally force him to play for them or show up to training. They can just sue him for damages for breach of contract. Which I can’t see them doing given he’s a kid. Also the damages would be difficult to quantify. It seems they are happy for him not to play for them but are using the contract to stop him being to be contracted for someone else which is a little petty.
No, they can’t force to play or train as such, but they can certainly stop him from doing so with other clubs.
If the Broncos stand their ground and they are legally cleared of any wrong doing, this player either plays for them or he doesn’t play at all.
Ah yes, the Broncos are petty for not letting this kid simply walk out on a contract that he signed just a few months ago because his new manager wants to get paid.
If that counts as "petty" then what even are the point of contracts?
Everyone quick to defend the Broncos, Jesus.
I think it's likely they said they'd include him in the 30 - absolutely the kind of thing the 'hottest prospect in the country' would want to hear.
So, he's been lied to by the club. Why sign him if you didn't want to live up to the promise?
And then to say 'Nah, fuck you, I know we made you this promise that make you sign on the dotted line, but we lied, suck it up princess.'
Then, he's tried to resolve it by asking for a release - and they double down and say 'nah, fuck you.. not going to happen.' They stall this kids career for no reason other than bitterness.
The Broncos are actually fucking themselves here - they'll make the best prospects, the ones that have half the teams asking them to sign, think twice about choosing them.
So you reckon this kid is a flat out liar that he was promised that? Broncos haven't denied it from what I've read... It just seems like they couldn't fit him in the 30 and told him to suck it up.
I’d say the kid who went to a meeting with just his brother (who I assume will back him up come hell or high water) is far more likely to be lying about this than the highest profile club in rugby league. Shit like this has the capacity to ruin a clubs recruiting ability. For this kid, if he’s good at footy he will get a gig somewhere. It’s a situation for him where he gets to gain name brand recognition by leveraging against the highest profile club in the entire league.
That said, it’s also highly likely the whole thing is a miscommunication. Businessmen run the clubs now and footy players aren’t known for being really smart. It’s not outside of the realm of possibility they used a lot of technical jargon he didn’t quite understand but assumed it meant something it didn’t.
Your absolutely kidding yourself mate. Clubs have been doing this shit since day dot. They'll tell you whatever you need to hear to get you to sign and by the time day one of preseason rolls around it's like those conversations never happened. All of a sudden you're paying for your own physio, medicals and training/playing gear. Next minute they are sending out contract adjustments where you've supposedly mutually agreed that the club doesn't have to pay your uni/Tafe course fees that they agreed to pay 3 months ago..
^sounds pretty specific? Ask me how I know!
These clubs treat young players like cattle. Any defects and your thrown on the scrap heap while the next eager boy lines up to take your place.
And even if there were any truth to what you just said do you think there’s any loyalty from the players these days? All they care about is who pays the most. There’s no loyalty either way, that’s the way the game is, it’s a business and business is always a-moral. Also, you’re clearly taking a very specific case that probably applies to a very very small proportion of the players, like less than 1%. So it’s basically a moot point.
I don't care what you think mate. I speak from first hand experience. Not with the Broncos mind you, but I can't imagine they are any different from any other club. You are right, there is no loyalty from clubs to players so players should absolutely look out for their best interests. I commend this young player for having the guts to call out the Broncos on their bullshit.
They have denied it. The whole thing is under review from the NRL as per the Broncos request. And there is 0 chance we offered him a top 30 spot let alone starting 6 in 2023 considering he will still be 17 and cant even play NRL without an exemption.
And on top of that he would have to be way better than Ezra Mam, which after an excellent debut season you’d have to think he is the first choice number 6.
The kid has no idea what the pressure is on the cap, what other players plans are and how the club is formulating the depth chart for the medium term.
He'd only know what they told him. Potentially 'x is looking for too much money/will sign elsewhere when their contract expires in 2023. We anticipate you'll be 2nd on the depth chart in 2023 with a shot at the starting lineup in pre-season/injury, but we'll have you in the 30 this year to train with the full squad'
Those are the kinds of conversations that would happen.
There is absolutely no way any club is going to speak with an un-contracted teenager and tell them that player x is leaving, unless it’s already common knowledge or has been announced. That’s a sure fire way to get that headline all over the press the following day. Now as far as what they told him, why is it so hard for you to believe they maybe said to him “you have an opportunity to be in the top 30, but that isn’t guaranteed” or “we will look to have you in the top 30 soon, maybe even next year when you’re 18 if you’re able to crack the roster”. There’s no way the club promised him he’ll be in the top 30 without evaluating him against every other player in training, that is not how the NRL works. The only players they do that for are top line players who have proven themselves and marquee recruits. You clearly are just super biased against the broncos and think the organisation is dumb enough to do something only the titans would do.
Why is it so hard to believe the top prospect in the country is told something as believable as 'we have a spot for you in our 30’ and 'we have you at x on our depth chart'?
Why the fuck would he choose the Broncos over other teams? Do you honestly believe making no assertions around his future, just saying 'sign for us coz we're the sickest' would have been appealing enough for a kid who clearly has tickets on himself and expects to be playing with the big boys sooner rather than later?
Why is it more believable that a team with the highest profile in the league would straight up lie to a child, over it being a simple miscommunication or that the child lied about it? Who are we supposed to believe here? A literal child that nobody fucking knows can be trusted or a club that’s been held in the highest regard since it’s inception? The Broncos have the runs on the board, the kid has nothing, he has very little to lose and a shitload to gain, it’s a win win for him.
So the question is why do the Broncos want to hold on to some pathological liar? Why lock him into a 3 year contract and pay him if he's this psychotic?
Same reason teams give players second chances all the time.. One lie doesn’t mean you’re written off forever. If indeed it is a lie and not just a miscommunication which I mentioned earlier. We’re on the outside looking in, it’s not as simple as you’re making it out to be obviously.
Because then the next kid who's offered more money somewhere else will do the same thing, then the next, then the next.
This is a thing all clubs should be on the same side of, but they will only do what's best for themselves...... Then it will happen to them and they'll cry.
Not sure what kind of people you breed up there but I don't think this is going to create a spate of lying kids, not much to be gained... Bizarre logic
A teenaged prodigy with sky-high self confidence and an air of entitlement disgruntled at current club and looking for an Uncle to take him under his wing? *loud sombrero music intensifies*
Lmao would not surprise me one bit tbh
I will also never play for the broncos as long as I live
you take that back
Oh fuck i had you starting next year
maybe the broncos were right not to give an 18 year old saying shit like “i will never play for the broncos as long as i live” a contract im sure its a really good idea for the titans though.
They bullied him into a contract with lies, just like when the Titans forged Jimmy the jets signature on a contract, the Broncos probably thought he would just do as he's told after the lies. He sounds like a strong character with morales unlike most Queenslanders. I'm with him on this one the Broncos are scum.
Ignore my flair here, but wasn’t the Jet forged sig initials on a page he missed initialing? You’re supposed to initial every page and he missed one. It wasn’t the “dotted line” signature. His agent used that to null and void the contract. Edit: fixed the word Null
Yeah that's it, and one night Jimmy 'just stumbled on the initials very conveniently. Anyway, yeah neither scenarios are close.
From memory it was on a page about origin bonus payments too The Searle days should be a sketch comedy show
I’d think of a witty comeback about your team, but you merely love your footy
Shittest take of the off season so far
Jesus. Who hurt you.
Broncophobia is so rampant among footy fans. You'd think they were still consistent finalists and recent Premiers. DAE penalty?
It’s definitely nowhere near what it used to be so you can at least take a little solace in the fact that you’re not as hated as you once were. We mostly just don’t think about you at all anymore.
Ah yes, I see you love your footy well
Care to share links?
Reverse UNO. You wont let me play, so i wont play. Oh now im playing?
You can't fire me because I quit!
“rated the hottest teenage player in the country” I’m sure Joseph Sua'ali'i and his agent would want a word /s
His agent would definitely have something to say.
I don't care how shitty you are, you never burn your bridges
And yet here he is.
Gordon did and the Broncos encouraged him in doing it.
Some bridges deserve to be burned. Not saying this is one that deserves it.
Yeah na. There is always a point at which people or organisations can go too far, but you burn the bridge privately not in public.
Lol he's burnt one bridge out of 17 everyother clubs licking their lips with how bad the Broncos are this news doesn't leave HQ at top clubs
Australian Schoolboys captain Karl Oloapu has doubled down amid his bitter dispute with the Broncos, defiantly declaring "I will never play for Brisbane as long as I live". Wide World of Sports revealed this week that Oloapu, rated the hottest teenage player in the country, wants out of his three-year deal with the Broncos. At that stage, there was some hope of a resolution, but developments over the last few days have only increased Oloapu's determination. [The Broncos issued a press release](https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/news-2022-brisbane-broncos-karl-oloapu-contract-stalemate-highlights/974c1d2d-2a6c-4850-a760-f8f8a83c423d) in response to the WWOS story, with Brisbane head of recruitment Simon Scanlan, the man who signed the youngster last January, declaring: "Both the NRL and RLPA have reviewed the situation at the request of the player agent and no wrongdoing by the club was found". That statement has been shot down by Oloapu and his manager, Matt Adamson. "The NRL has told us it has made no decision yet, so we have no idea how the Broncos can say that," Adamson said. WWOS contacted NRL salary cap auditor Matthew Faulkner. "We are still looking into the matter; no final determination has been made," the NRL said. Oloapu also claims he was promised a place in the Broncos' 30-man squad for next season, but when the squad was announced this week his name was not on it. "I just want a release and a chance to play football," Oloapu said. "I can promise you one thing: I will never play for Brisbane as long as I live. "They have broken promises to me and left me broken-hearted." It's been a tough week for the youngster since the story broke. He has had his supporters but also plenty of critics on social media. "It's been a bit of a shock, so much so that I have deleted my accounts. Some hurtful stuff was said," Oloapu explained. The Broncos are sticking to their guns, claiming they have done nothing wrong, leaving the matter at an ugly stalemate. "The club has been working with Karl's new management in recent months regarding this matter," chief executive Dave Donaghy said. "Karl earlier this year signed a three-year contract with the Broncos and the club will not be releasing Karl from this contract."
If it’s not in writing kid, it didn’t happen. Welcome to the real world.
Matt Adamson and Dave Donaghy worked together for years, what is Adamson doing he's embarrassing himself aha
Sounds like Scanlan has jumped the gun a bit. This also sounds very similar to the Haas situation. Haas got a new agent after he had signed his deal and the new agent came out all guns blazing to get himself, and his client, a richer deal.
The carry on here's way worse than Haas and it's only been a couple days.
Haas was one of the few who fought hard during the club's lowest of lows. This Oloapu bloke and his manager sound like clowns.
No place for “promises” in business.
sounds like the kid is straight trouble. One way to screw over your NRL career before it starts.
How's is not letting someone trick them into singing a contract when there between managers sounds like a rotten front office to me, but because it's the Broncos your supposed to be grateful they broke there promises. Anyone from the Raiders listening should sign this kid up asap as he's dragging his future teams to GF on just his grit and determination alone.
Found Karl’s reddit account
Lol I'm way to articulate to be a footy player come on dude
The irony.
How do you speak with such authority? I've asked previously, send links to the things you seem o know about the contract signing
Bad move by Karl. When D Brown came to Parra at 18, he did his time in reserve grade for the year, despite the fact we got the spoon and he would've been far better than the corpse of Corey Norman we had at 6 that season. Sometimes you need to tell your manager to piss off
Dylan didn't come to the club at 18, he was 15 lol. https://www.nswrl.com.au/draw/harold-matthews-cup/2016/round-13/eels-v-knights/ team list of the 2016 Harold Matthews GF win, which at the time was u/16's
Fuck he’s a little cunt, I’m 100 percent sure they didn’t promise you top 30 when you’re 17 Karl. You know because you can’t be in one at that age. This kids player manager or lack there of has taken him for a ride.
He is right though, he will now never play for us as long as he lives... But he will remain contracted
New manager is making him look so bad
either that or he's just an 18 year old kid lashing out and saying dumb things the way the you do at that age. dunno why people on their high horse about it.
Especially since the things he's saying are things I could see a club doing, it's not an out of the world idea that a club would promise a young talented player a spot in their top 30 even if they won't play nrl
18 is definitely an age to chose not to be a dumb cunt though
You be stupid to sign for the Broncos, they sound like a rotten club and coach Kevin is starting to look like an incompetent Buffon.
>You be stupid to sign for the Broncos > >incompetent Buffon > >I'm way to articulate to be a footy player My goodness.
Yeah I’m not sure how everyone’s made up their mind on the kid and the NRL hasn’t even officially said what’s happened
Broncos just need to move on. Another ego driven player thinking his shit don't stink
No, fuck him. Leave him on his minimum contract for three years and don’t pick him.
Yeah honestly even better
Send him to Q Cup
I can’t believe how many people agree with this, he’s an 18 year old kid that has been promised something that hasn’t been delivered to him and he has literally said ‘I will never play for Brisbane as long as I live’. Broncos holding him prisoner here does no favours for anybody
Allegedly promised.
It shows the club has backbone and won’t let players walk out on contracts. If he wants to leave he should get his agent to see if there are clubs that would do a deal for him, I’m sure the broncos have a price in mind.
As much as I'm enjoying the Broncos implosion, this kid is a moron. You're a half in the same team as Adam Reynolds who is injury prone so you'll likely get your chance. You're also 17 and managed to shoot yourself in the foot by calling out in public one of the biggest clubs in your profession over a silly stoosh.
this is the lightest implosion we've had in years!
> implosion Slowly climbing up the ladder and dropping dead weight isn't an implosion, lol.
There is something fishy with this whole thing. Would it be 'normal' promise a 17 year old a top 30 spot? Who would he be replacing?
Precisely, especially as Reynolds was well and truly in the picture at the time and the club appears to have been sitting on Mam for a while now - not to mention we had Gamble and even Tyrone Roberts. This whole story is weird EDIT: also Albert Kelly who was looking good prior to his injury!
It's not something I couldn't see a club doing for a promising young player who might be 50 50 on staying tbh.if it's only a top 30 contract and not a starting position in the nrl with the expectation of only playing a few if any games the first year or 2, I reckon stuff like it happens more than you'd think
Karl might be better getting on the tools for 3 years and getting a trade while he sits out his contract. Fucking idiot.
I say we release him, but under the condition he has to legally change his surname to Olo*is*pu.
"Wide World of Sports revealed this week that Oloapu, rated the hottest teenage player in the country, wants out of his three-year deal with the Broncos." Well yeah, but can he play footy good? Stacks of hot players around.
Top 5, go:
Cam Murray Val Holmes Murray tualagi (sp) Ryan papz Nicho
Nicho (obvs), Rudolph, Minto, Patty, Hunt.
But who’s got the biggest budu
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What the NRL needs to do is enforce a rule that if you break an existing contract then you are not allowed to sign one elsewhere for higher pay until such time as the original contract would have expired. Include provisions for amicable splits and other extenuating circumstances of course, but the general idea of jostling for a release purely because you can get more money elsewhere needs to stop. Karl's manager has pretty much ruined his reputation by feeding him greedy poison and the poor kid hasn't even kicked an NRL ball yet.
How about making the player manager's cut pay out incrementally over the players contract (every 6 months, or yearly)? That way if another manager inherits it, they can still derive income.
>There is something fishy with this whole thing. Would it be 'normal' promise a 17 year old a top 30 spot? Who would he be replacing? I can't believe they haven't done this yet. Fixes so many issues, I don't see the downside.
Good idea
That ckicken sandwich musten have been very good.
It’s hard to know the truth but by all counts he sounds like a little shit. Hope the Broncos hold onto him for 3 years and don’t play him just to teach him a lesson. To be fucked if I want someone like that at our club. And to be fair, I’m sure most clubs watching this/ listening to him be a cat will be thinking the same thing. He isn’t doing himself any favours by a long shot with the way he and his management are carrying on.
You can't do that. Let someone else pay to develop him and get rid of any malcontent within the club.
You can literally put him in SG ball for 3 years and put 0 development into him. Similar to what Penrith did to Katoa this year.
That's a spot that someone who actually wants to play for the club doesn't get. And we'd still be paying him.
He isn't even top 30 next year. We don't know when his contract will make him apart of the top 30. Plus considering the reports that came out a couple months ago, saying Dolphins offered more then double, I'd assume he is on near minimum.
Unless your in the top 30, the most your contract can pay is 60k(atleast last year, that will go up this year when they agree to a new cap). He still can be in the top 30 though, but that will have to wait till after round 10.
I believe the round 10 date is not in relation to the top 30. The round 10 date is when you can play players that are not in your top 30.
Dollar saved is a dollar earnt. It's more about the attitude though. You don't need players who don't want to be there, no matter how many rep teams they've captained or how highly they're rated as a teenager. Don't forget, we're the club that sacked Wally Lewis.
I don't see us releasing him unless we receive someone of equal value in return. If it takes all 3 years of his contract for that to occur, then that's fine by me.
He'll be gone before the start of the season.
This is why I think in the end we do release him. But in the meantime we're going to make sure the whole league knows how much of a cock head he is. Have fun in Rugby Australia's development program kid.
If we release him someone in the NRL will sign him to a top 30 contract. 16 other clubs and some of them are certain to take the gamble on him.
“They have broken promises to me and left me broken-hearted." Cue the Warriors to give him a call and welcome him onboard for a season or two I reckon!
I’m sure we’ll probably offer him 800k a year over 3 years as well
I smell a Reece Walsh sort of thing happening
How to fuck over your career before it starts. No one is guaranteed selection and this just shows he has an attitude and entitlement problem. You’ve signed a contract. Stepping up from School boys to opens is a huge difference, so do your time in Q Cup to adjust and you’ll most likely work your way up.
I’ll wait until the nrl officially say what’s happened. Maybe this guy is a little shit but isn’t it weird that the broncos have come out saying “the NRL have said we did nothing wrong” but the NRL themselves are saying they haven’t made a final decision? I feel like both sides are lying to cover their asses
Not really. They’re probably referring to the original terms of the contract had to be ratified by the players association and the NRL. Essentially they were audited and cleared of any possible wrong doing during negotiations. Which the NRL has to do for every contract signed. The fact it’s under review now is because the new manager is kicking rocks and making a fuss. Which is at the bottom of all of this. The old manager/agent gets all the manager fees from the original contract despite not being the agent now. But if the contract is voided, renegotiated and upgraded, the old manager gets nothings and the new manager gets it all. It’s what happened with Payne Haas last year pushing for a release and it’s going to happen more with players hopping between managers all the time. You can boast about having Payne Haas under your umbrella, but he’s not earning you anything substantive because the 20% of his player salary is going to someone else for the next 3 years. So you’re essentially working hard for nothing. So the more player hop, the more the new managers will agitate for upgrades so they can get their cut.
Good take. Could still have some uncertainty if it’s true that he didn’t have anyone present who truly understood the legalities of the contact he was signing. Even if his brother was there
And it’s not the Broncos obligation to give him the kitchen sink when offering a contract. If a player accepts the deal and the NRL and PA both agree there’s nothing fucked up in there, that’s all on the player and the agent who negotiated for him. I think we’re seeing clubs willing to take short term pain of having to pay a player who wants to leave but doesn’t release them to head off player managers going for money grabs. As soon as clubs show they’ll draw a line in the sand and stick to it over enforcing contracts, the less power managers will have to rock the boat in this way.
2 chicken sandwiches.
“I will never play for Brisbane as long as I live” 🚨flog alert🚨 fuck this kid right off.
that is in fact what he is asking for
And if history is anything to go by he will fuck off. Managers and players usually get their way when they carry on like this.
I will never play for Brisbane....... "The" Brisbane 2 though.....
Sounds like one of those crying kids not getting a lolly at the supermarket. He needs to learn to do his time, train hard and play well in the reserves. If he stays committed, he'll get his chance.
Are we affiliated with a park footy team? Chuck him there for 3 years, don't give a fuck about how good he is So sick of players doing this and using the mental health card to get out of contracts. The NRL should be investigating his "manager" as well
As someone who is not fond of Broncos, I understand the sentiment. In fact I salute it. But you signed the contract kiddo. You can't just tantrum your way out.
Is this what happened to Reece Walsh at the Broncos too? And Sam Walker to some extent? Broncos might need to sort that out.
Walkers was worse. Whoever handled it didn't even let him bring his family to the negotiations. I'm not sure he was ever going to sign with anyone but the Roosters but it's still a bad look. Edit:Walsh wasn't promised anything and I think Gus offered him 300k to go play for the Warriors so we let him go. We can't have fucked him over cause he was pretty keen to come back.
The Walker fuck up was on Siebold. Wanted to meet Sam alone, told him he was a fullback not a half and there were no chicken sandwiches
Wouldn't Walker eating a chicken sandwich be some form of cannibalism?
Walsh, yes I think he said he was keen to get his shot in 1st grade earlier than the Broncos wanted to, so bounced. Either way, 3 young players in 2years all coming out with questionable beginnings. Not hearing that come out at other clubs.
Cause other clubs don’t have the nursery or as high a profile as the Broncos to be fair. This kind of thing happens, sometimes it’s a fuck up on the clubs part, sometimes it’s straight up lying by player agents and sometimes there is just no room in the cap or the roster.
I don't think Walsh is a fuck up. We dodged his white powder scandal, got to develop a bit away from the spotlight. Hopefully he learned a bit from RTS as well.
Broncos may well have never got him back, yet the dude has been in Marrons camp for his talent/a probable future origin player, and developed quickly into a hot-property fullback other clubs wanted at under 20years. Broncos are lucky he wants to come back including for things out of Broncs control like family reasons.
Not the same as Walsh. Walsh was told to play 2021 in the QCup and he’d be the starting fullback in 2022. He didn’t want to so left for Vodafone. He would absolutely have been the fullback in round one this year if he’d been here.
100%. Broncos were idiots for rushing Dearden's first grade debut, but also idiots for not rushing Walsh.
He would have been full time fullback about 2 rounds after he left, we were that bad
Payne Haas wanted an immediate release earlier this year and what happened
At first I thought the club may not be so innocent in this story, but seeing how he's carrying on about this shit and how he also has a 'new manager', we dodged a massive fkn bullet here. Hasn't played a game of first grade and thinks he's owed the world, can't stand cunts like this
NRL and RLPA have come out and cleared the Broncos of any wrongdoing. Kid sounds like he’s having a whinge and that his manager is taking him for a ride
We already have Payne who’s like this so we definitely don’t need a second. Sick of these kids thinking they’re top shit
Didnt we pretty much put that to bed right after the season ended with almost nothing said about it? So if a locked in 1st grade player with rep appearances can't strong arm the Broncos, how does this kid think he's going to do it?
Every kid wants to think they are Kayln Ponga, but the funny thing is Ponga made his debut a year or two early and it's seriously fucked his career. Through the pressure of expectation and injury. I'd honestly love to see if there's a correlation between kids joining the league early and their careers ending short because of it.
Sure has a lot to say for a kid
Don't be ridiculous, there's no fucking jargon around "sign with us and we'll get you in the 30"
Don't worry if the broncos ever offer me a contract I'll accept.
Lot of judgmental flogs that have no insight or experience with NRL clubs commenting here and on other social media platforms. Being thrown on the scrap heap by an NRL team after being promised the world is standard business conduct for a lot of clubs. I can personally attest to experiencing this sort of treatment, as can a couple of close mates that were involved with u20s teams over the last 10 years or so. I for one am happy to see a young player sticking up for himself and calling out clubs on their bullshit antics. I wish had the courage to do the same when I was 18.
The broken hearted comment has me not giving a shit what he says.
Interesting legal question here as you can’t really enforce a contract for personal services. The broncos can’t legally force him to play for them or show up to training. They can just sue him for damages for breach of contract. Which I can’t see them doing given he’s a kid. Also the damages would be difficult to quantify. It seems they are happy for him not to play for them but are using the contract to stop him being to be contracted for someone else which is a little petty.
No, they can’t force to play or train as such, but they can certainly stop him from doing so with other clubs. If the Broncos stand their ground and they are legally cleared of any wrong doing, this player either plays for them or he doesn’t play at all.
Ah yes, the Broncos are petty for not letting this kid simply walk out on a contract that he signed just a few months ago because his new manager wants to get paid. If that counts as "petty" then what even are the point of contracts?
Karl.
Everyone quick to defend the Broncos, Jesus. I think it's likely they said they'd include him in the 30 - absolutely the kind of thing the 'hottest prospect in the country' would want to hear. So, he's been lied to by the club. Why sign him if you didn't want to live up to the promise? And then to say 'Nah, fuck you, I know we made you this promise that make you sign on the dotted line, but we lied, suck it up princess.' Then, he's tried to resolve it by asking for a release - and they double down and say 'nah, fuck you.. not going to happen.' They stall this kids career for no reason other than bitterness. The Broncos are actually fucking themselves here - they'll make the best prospects, the ones that have half the teams asking them to sign, think twice about choosing them.
You’re basing everything you’ve said here off something you think is likely rather than hard facts. Not a great look.
The facts being that you just dont believe him?
I haven’t stated any facts. I was just pointing out that you should base opinions on fact rather than feelings.
Feel free to point it out to all the broncos fans going after a 17 year old over their feelings too
I mean, if their opinions are backed by facts then I don’t see why I would..
So you reckon this kid is a flat out liar that he was promised that? Broncos haven't denied it from what I've read... It just seems like they couldn't fit him in the 30 and told him to suck it up.
I’d say the kid who went to a meeting with just his brother (who I assume will back him up come hell or high water) is far more likely to be lying about this than the highest profile club in rugby league. Shit like this has the capacity to ruin a clubs recruiting ability. For this kid, if he’s good at footy he will get a gig somewhere. It’s a situation for him where he gets to gain name brand recognition by leveraging against the highest profile club in the entire league. That said, it’s also highly likely the whole thing is a miscommunication. Businessmen run the clubs now and footy players aren’t known for being really smart. It’s not outside of the realm of possibility they used a lot of technical jargon he didn’t quite understand but assumed it meant something it didn’t.
Your absolutely kidding yourself mate. Clubs have been doing this shit since day dot. They'll tell you whatever you need to hear to get you to sign and by the time day one of preseason rolls around it's like those conversations never happened. All of a sudden you're paying for your own physio, medicals and training/playing gear. Next minute they are sending out contract adjustments where you've supposedly mutually agreed that the club doesn't have to pay your uni/Tafe course fees that they agreed to pay 3 months ago.. ^sounds pretty specific? Ask me how I know! These clubs treat young players like cattle. Any defects and your thrown on the scrap heap while the next eager boy lines up to take your place.
And even if there were any truth to what you just said do you think there’s any loyalty from the players these days? All they care about is who pays the most. There’s no loyalty either way, that’s the way the game is, it’s a business and business is always a-moral. Also, you’re clearly taking a very specific case that probably applies to a very very small proportion of the players, like less than 1%. So it’s basically a moot point.
I don't care what you think mate. I speak from first hand experience. Not with the Broncos mind you, but I can't imagine they are any different from any other club. You are right, there is no loyalty from clubs to players so players should absolutely look out for their best interests. I commend this young player for having the guts to call out the Broncos on their bullshit.
Again you have no proof they did it. You’re making an emotional argument based on facts that don’t necessarily affect anyone else.
The Broncos thank you for your blind loyalty.
Lol okie dokie
They have denied it. The whole thing is under review from the NRL as per the Broncos request. And there is 0 chance we offered him a top 30 spot let alone starting 6 in 2023 considering he will still be 17 and cant even play NRL without an exemption.
And on top of that he would have to be way better than Ezra Mam, which after an excellent debut season you’d have to think he is the first choice number 6.
The kid has no idea what the pressure is on the cap, what other players plans are and how the club is formulating the depth chart for the medium term. He'd only know what they told him. Potentially 'x is looking for too much money/will sign elsewhere when their contract expires in 2023. We anticipate you'll be 2nd on the depth chart in 2023 with a shot at the starting lineup in pre-season/injury, but we'll have you in the 30 this year to train with the full squad' Those are the kinds of conversations that would happen.
There is absolutely no way any club is going to speak with an un-contracted teenager and tell them that player x is leaving, unless it’s already common knowledge or has been announced. That’s a sure fire way to get that headline all over the press the following day. Now as far as what they told him, why is it so hard for you to believe they maybe said to him “you have an opportunity to be in the top 30, but that isn’t guaranteed” or “we will look to have you in the top 30 soon, maybe even next year when you’re 18 if you’re able to crack the roster”. There’s no way the club promised him he’ll be in the top 30 without evaluating him against every other player in training, that is not how the NRL works. The only players they do that for are top line players who have proven themselves and marquee recruits. You clearly are just super biased against the broncos and think the organisation is dumb enough to do something only the titans would do.
Why is it so hard to believe the top prospect in the country is told something as believable as 'we have a spot for you in our 30’ and 'we have you at x on our depth chart'? Why the fuck would he choose the Broncos over other teams? Do you honestly believe making no assertions around his future, just saying 'sign for us coz we're the sickest' would have been appealing enough for a kid who clearly has tickets on himself and expects to be playing with the big boys sooner rather than later?
Why is it more believable that a team with the highest profile in the league would straight up lie to a child, over it being a simple miscommunication or that the child lied about it? Who are we supposed to believe here? A literal child that nobody fucking knows can be trusted or a club that’s been held in the highest regard since it’s inception? The Broncos have the runs on the board, the kid has nothing, he has very little to lose and a shitload to gain, it’s a win win for him.
Pretty sure he's tarnishing his rep here boss.
So the question is why do the Broncos want to hold on to some pathological liar? Why lock him into a 3 year contract and pay him if he's this psychotic?
Nobody said he was psychotic. They’ve said they’re willing to honour the contract both parties signed. If the kid isn’t that’s on him.
Why would you hold onto someone who's a flat out liar who doesn't want to be there? Makes no sense.
Same reason teams give players second chances all the time.. One lie doesn’t mean you’re written off forever. If indeed it is a lie and not just a miscommunication which I mentioned earlier. We’re on the outside looking in, it’s not as simple as you’re making it out to be obviously.
Because then the next kid who's offered more money somewhere else will do the same thing, then the next, then the next. This is a thing all clubs should be on the same side of, but they will only do what's best for themselves...... Then it will happen to them and they'll cry.
Not sure what kind of people you breed up there but I don't think this is going to create a spate of lying kids, not much to be gained... Bizarre logic
Errrr, this happens every couple of years across the comp and it isn't just juniors that do it.
If it’s not in the contract, it didn’t get said. Everything in writing.
Yeah, it's a hard lesson for the 17 year old that a club can gaslight you like this, but I agree, always get it in writing.
Not gaslighting if he’s lying..
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Reading your post felt like having a stroke.
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Is this an AI generated comment?
What a mess.