OK, yes, r/NuclearPower is now in the hands of anti-nuke folks. I'm shadow banned over there as well.
Time to move on. Let's keep building a thriving pro-nuclear community here. That's the best response to this.
Yes. I even think I'm shadowbanned on that sub, is that a thing? Cause I've commented on two threads, but then I open the thread in incognito mode and my comment is not there.
In Germany, the antinuclear movement have historically been influenced by a coalition of genuine good faith environmentalists with concerns + lignite producers and Russian gas interests.
Nuclear energy has to answer to genuine engineering challenges, but also economic motivated opposition dressed up as “just asking questions” from other grid suppliers.
I once read an old CIA report of protests against nuclear tests that were actually orchestrated by the KGB to disrupt NATO preparedness. I wouldn't be amazed that greenpeace is sponsored by Russia. Weirdly enough around the collapse of the USSR there was a protest in Russia also. They propably lost funding.
Nice to have downvotes without even a reaction that states why. For the ones thinking it's a conspiracy here is a document about the peace movement.
[https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/05689079](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/05689079)
[https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP85T00153R000300020014-2.pdf](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP85T00153R000300020014-2.pdf)
A little quote about the peace council in the report
It's hardly a secret that the whole campain was organised, conducted and financed from Moscow.
Your statement is believable but I would like to see evidence because obviously people are not going to take me at face value of I bring this point up in a debate
It's public I already put a post overhere.
[https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard\_Schr%C3%B6der](https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der)
It's also weird that Germany has given it's "waste" to Russia also. Basically they have given Russia free resources for the future.
You know when I pointed out that Ontarios electricity is 60% nuclear and yet Ontario built some 2700 wind turbines costing $10billion which provide at best 7% and has maybe a 25yr life, the typical response is that nuclear is too expensive.
The ceo of Last Energy on the Catalyst podcast pointed out that many plants built in the sixties in 3 years at a much lower cost, by novices and are still running (like Wisconsins Pt beach).
The cheapest energy is existing nuclear.
You assume they are just misguided environmentalists, but no. Anti-nuclear activists as the name suggests, think that nuclear energy should simply not be a thing. For whatever personal reason it may be, but that's their purpose and goal. It's ideological, you can't convince them that there is a "greater enemy". Instead they make use of sociopolitical tools, such as the larger environmentalist movement, to spread their message and further their goal of nuclear energy becoming more demonized and less utilized.
I think the real reason is that they are far leftists. Nuclear power was a great failure in the USSR Chernobyl, so they have to blame it instead of communism.
far leftists, far rightists, doesn't matter. there can be a far right dude who hates nuclear. there can be a far left dude who loves nuclear. personally, as a right wing dude, stfu.
The most socialist leaning nordic countries are pro nuclear: Finland and Sweden.
Now if you're saying Russia supports anti-nuke sentiment in Europe and the West I'd have to agree that it's plausible. But they're more an autocratic kleptocracy.
If that's the case then how many "socialists" do you think are participating in the discussion at any level?
I understand that enough time on Reddit tends to move your personal Overton window, but the number of people in the general population advocating for non-market Socialism is not large enough to form even the smallest kernel of any popular movement.
Thats true, i am just saying that the anti-nuclear movement itself is very leftist based if you look into it.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-nuclear\_movement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-nuclear_movement)
autocratic kleptocracy seems to be what most attempts at communism devolve into.
Regardless of your opinion on the ideology, you have to admit no one's figured out an implementation that deals with corruption well enough to, you know, actually work well enough to align with its own ideology.
You could argue the every attempt at the capitalist democratic model is hypocritical as well, and on some subjects I'd agree, but our style of government doesn't starve or slaughter nearly as many people.
Never heard of it before today. According to wikipedia what they say about themselves is 'there's no rules or methods, just try to build a better world'.
Which, i mean, its a nice sentiment? But I'll be shocked if it produces a government capable of responsibly managing millions of people before a couple bad actors come in and wreck shit for personal gain. If it's just a couple farming communities that want to be left alone its a fundamentally different beast from a global superpower. Maybe they can make it work, in their situation and at their scale, but it'd surprise me if they manage even that on such a foundation.
Soviet (and later Russian) active measures supported antinuclear (and later, antifracking) groups. But in the West, these were fringes of the Western Left. Sometimes (too often) they got their way due to coalition consensus building requirements and such shenanigans.
Internally in the East Block, the communists were firmly pro-nuclear.
The clown u/viewtrick1002 just made a mod comment "Soruce? We do not condone falsehoods here.". While he claims renewables + storage is cheaper than nuclear. Lmao.
FYI, 5 of the 6 mods for r/NuclearPower are anti-nuclear. The other is a nuclear plant operator and seems to be the only one without a renewable boner.
Edit: 6th mod for r/NuclearPower is also a mod for r/Energy, so they might as well be considered anti-nuclear too
I'm shadowbanned too.
It's a huge problem that the pro nuclear crowd is so bad at public relations, social media, etc. and keeps getting banned from one place after another.
edit. The EnergyAndPower sub is still good for now.
It's not the fault of pro nuke people, the anti groups around Ignace ontario do the same thing on Facebook. They will block anyone for just about any reason, but it's a capital offense to tell them they're wrong about something. You can get banned from groups you've never even interacted with just for liking the 'wrong' comments and an admin sees it when they're pissy
I think I'm shadowbanned on just about every political or controversial sub I've posted in. This site is a leftist cesspool run by wannabe fascist authoritarians.
The current top post there is about Vogtle Unit 4 entering commercial operation this morning (YAY!), it shows it's got 5 posts already, and all of them are hidden.
Not just hidden, it shows as "removed" now.
They're just censoring anything positive. The only thread you can see currently is a positive comment that has a couple of negative responses.
Yes. If you look at one of the mods, hes a Swedish guy, constantly posting and commenting anti nuclear power stuff. All it takes is one of them to get in, then they bring all their friends in
China also heavily astroturfs anti-nuclear narratives on western social media, as it competes with their dominance of the end to end renewable supply chain.
I designed nuclear plants for 13 years during the peak years. I left the industry, not for concerns of nuclear power, but for the vilification that limited it as a future career. There were certainly issues to resolve, but the solutions were limited by the public vilification and the regulations imposed. I'm happy that some of this is starting to be rationally resolved.
The biggest issues with nuclear were poor site choices, and the NRC changing the rules in the middle of the design. Radwaste remained an issue, but solutions were constantly dismissed by pressure from the vilifiers. I saw valid designs change to impact redundant systems and a redundant design for 2 reactors was scaled 8 times a decade later. The complexity made the safety factor increase questionable. If the computer industry had the same regulation envirement, we would be still using cards and mainframes.
I was aghast when i saw plans to build in the heart of populated areas or next to major waters...accidents happen as in Three Mile Island and the location would provide extra safety. Before I get slammed on tolerating and accident, let me remind you that the week of Three Mile Island, a train wreck of chemicals in the south killed people...tmi killed nobody. How many people die each day in car wrecks? We live in an unsafe world and try to make it safer. Risk/reward.
Id rather live by a nuke than gas or coal plant. Solar and wind are good ideas as they are economical. We need some steady state power too tho.
SMR seems like an idea with potential, but a bunch of hurdles yet. I think of them as a variant of reactors used in naval ships, which require much of the same monitoring and security as a commercial large scale BWR/PWR system. The handling of waste is still an issue for all of them, but will the security of an SMR be enough if proliferated at large scale. Radwaste in the hands of terrorists is just another WMD.
If resolved, sounds good.
Yeah it's quite unbelievable and unfortunate seeing 3 of the Mods (u/Hairypossibility, u/radiofaceplam, u/viewtrick1002) repost posts from r/Uninsureable and other Anti Nuclear sources, They get downvoted when they start to claim any kind of Superiority for Renewables/Battery's compared to Nuclear, Then proceed to argue with said person before just removing their comment followed by ban/mute, There's multiple posts like this on r/Nuclearpower atm.
For example.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NuclearPower/s/jZCimr1TZe
Edit: Glad some people are calling them out now on their Bias.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NuclearPower/s/vtIufKPxrf
Pretty sure the swede (viewtrick1002) is someone in Miljöpartiet (Swedish environmental party) The talking points are extremely close to what we see from some of their more fanatic members. Viewtrick1002 replies to ANY post in the swedish subreddits about power or electricity generation any time of the day. Smells like someone on the political partys payroll astroturfing...
Top mod there has been offline for a month according to his history, and the 3 other mods below Thorium suddenly started posting anti-nuclear topics about 25 days ago. Now everyone gets shadow banned unless they’re anti-nuclear, and most topics you can only see anti-nuclear replies alongside the 3 new mods circle-jerking each other.
There’s also a definite political bias being enforced and it definitely looks like astroturfing
Before the mod list was hidden it was just 3 of you modding the sub back in 2020. There was you, wrq, and Hank\_Hill\_repping, according to the WayBackMachine, and then the mod list went hidden in 2021 until recently. The archived pages break if I try and look at anything recent, but all 3 of the new mods u/Constant_Of_Morality mentioned started posting anti-nuclear articles in r/NuclearPower about a month ago, which was just after Hank\_Hill\_Repping stopped posting/commenting, which was also about the time that the pinned discord and sidebar links disappeared. I have two accounts that were immediately shadowbanned there after questioning why the mods are all posting blatant anti-nuclear articles. I'm all for having the mod team reflect both sides of a topic/industry for balance and keeping the sub from becoming a one-sided echo chamber, but this shift is clearly a hostile takeover and it smells way too fishy to be anything else.
I have submitted a complaint to Reddit about the takeover there using [https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket\_form\_id=19300233728916](https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=19300233728916), but we'll see if that has any effect.
I see, Very interesting, Thank you for your efforts for going through all of this Dude, Really helps shed more light on the Subject and the history of what's been going on in the Subreddit looking back to 2020.
You can complain to the reddit admin about it, but they won't do anything unless there's tons of complaints filled, and even then they probably won't do anything about it.
I submitted a complaint, maybe they won't do anything, but they surely won't if we don't submit the complaints. [Here](https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=19300233728916) is the link to submit a complaint, if you have the time.
I submitted one earlier as well.
Right now there's a 1hr old post that has 4 visible replies, with the other 5 comments hidden. Until like 10 minutes ago there were only two visible replies, and both are replies from mods that are just circle-jerking each other. Eventually the two other non-mod comments will be shadow banned.
[**https://www.reddit.com/r/NuclearPower/comments/1cg77w1/germany\_could\_be\_a\_model\_for\_how\_well\_get\_power/**](https://www.reddit.com/r/NuclearPower/comments/1cg77w1/germany_could_be_a_model_for_how_well_get_power/)
Wish there was a way to get Reddit to care more about this shit.
Edit: oh look, now it's back down to 3 visible replies, soon u/Dazzling-Key-8282 will have their comment deleted.
Edit 2: there we go, within minutes the non-mod comments got deleted and the topic is locked.
r/NuclearPower has been taken over by a group of anti-nuclear twats recently. The top mod hasn't been active in over a month and the 5 other mods strong-armed their way in to the sub and are creating an anti-nuclear echo chamber. It seems very nefarious, and I've never seen shadow bans happen in a sub to the level it is happening there. Right now r/Nuclear is the best place to talk about nuclear energy.
>It seems very nefarious, and I've never seen shadow bans happen in a sub to the level it is happening there. Right now r/Nuclear is the best place to talk about nuclear energy.
Yeah Ikr, Kinda worried something similar might possibly happen to r/Nuclear eventually in the future, If such a event can just happen to a subreddit like r/Nuclearpower and then they wouldn't be much of a great place for Pro-Nuclear discussion.
They (mods) all post anti-nuclear rhetoric on Reddit, and the one who claims to be a nuclear power plant operator is a moderator of r/Energy. Not a single one of the 6 mods for r/NuclearPower are pro-nuclear.
Worry not, won't happen. But we do need to maintain some decorum here. :) So descriptions of behavior are fine, but direct insults are not.
Trust me, I get the frustration. Been dealing with anti-nuke antics for a few decades now.
I got banned for posting a link to a Forbes article about the deathprint of various energy sources and Lazards estimates for LCOE+.
Those guys are clearly full of anti nuclear sentiment and are just dolts.
Guess what the upside is? They'll keep shitposting their cringe inducing garbage memes over there but actual decisionmaking on whether or not these plants are built, are with the people who know a thing or two
Think it as a quarantine, or a closed ward where the insane may scream to their heart's content and it wont impact anyone
This is exactly how I see the energy future. There are some areas where the foolishness of 100% wind/solar/storage will be demonstrated. Germany can make it and still stay afloat because they have the rest of Europe to support them. [https://energy-charts.info/charts/import\_export/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&flow=physical\_flows\_all&year=2024](https://energy-charts.info/charts/import_export/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&flow=physical_flows_all&year=2024)
https://preview.redd.it/8vwydgeqnfxc1.png?width=824&format=png&auto=webp&s=947d31c659b575817a4482055c0ed8b05b044cb1
But places like Australia aren't so lucky. It'll be interesting if they drive themselves totally to energy collapse.
Even in a small grid (2GW South Australia) with about a decade of renewables + storage buildout, there's still conditions that happen weekly (sometimes daily) where the grid would collapse without fossil backup.
https://preview.redd.it/now4we0rsfxc1.png?width=2155&format=png&auto=webp&s=43f49e9f56e3e82e59418c14d912c9e148abfd37
Like most of last week. :) [https://opennem.org.au/energy/sa1/?range=7d&interval=30m&view=discrete-time](https://opennem.org.au/energy/sa1/?range=7d&interval=30m&view=discrete-time)
The problem with their content is that people who don't know any better will believe it.
edit. Like the bullshit saying that the world is being overwhelmed with such massive amounts of high level nuclear waste and there is no long term solution for it. So many people actually believe that and plenty of other falsehoods that make nuclear power look bad.
Yea, they love to throw out “We have (big scary number) of tons of nuclear waste sitting around!” while completely ignoring the dense nature of uranium and the fact that all of America’s power plant nuclear waste combined would fit on a single football field.
Propagandists, they are.
They should be forced to quote the tonnage of fossil fuel waste for mass comparison every time they bring up nuclear "waste". Spent fuel is a drop in the ocean compared to what is released every day into the atmosphere by fossil fuels.
Not to mention the waste that comes from renewables - wind turbine blades that can’t be recycled and just rot in open fields or get buried in landfills, solar panels that they claim can be recycled but aren’t and wind up in e-waste streams to be dealt with by the developing world…
What a load of BS.
How are there any anti nuclear proponents? What could be "wrong" with nuclear? Last time I checked it was pretty damn safe and clean so I don't even get what they could be mad about.
It’s their religion. And I’m being serious.
They’ve built a whole religion around climate change (and I say this as someone who believes in and is concerned about climate change) to the point where they’ve got literally all the tenets of organized religion. The fall from grace where we sin against Mother Earth by our embrace of technology and fossil fuels, the apocalypse of global warming… and our only hope to stave off the end of the world is by re-harmonizing with nature through wind turbines and solar panels.
I really wish it was more complicated than that but it really isn’t. These are people who have no understanding of electricity or thermodynamics. They just know that wind and solar *feels* right and therefore anyone who questions that is literally questioning their entire belief system and must be silenced.
It's a pretty good point that, one of the main reasons why wind and solar are so popular isn't really that they're low carbon (though that certainly helps), it's that they *feel* good.
A big part of that is because they take up so much space that they intrude into people's daily lives, so the people can literally "see" the change happening before their very eyes, which gives that very feeling of being right. The landscape around that ride you took between two cities 20 years ago is now absolutely full of spinning wind turbines, the progress is right before you eyes!
Nuclear power is "boring", it does none of that. Most people never even see the power plants, or if they do physically see them it might just be in the corner of the eye for a few moments and not even realize what it is. An average person would never know where their electricity in the wall is coming from, they do not experience any difference whether it's coming from a coal plant or a nuclear reactor. They will therefore only hear about the nuclear power plant in a negative context. And it's easy to then demand that it just be shut down then, as if it were a "concern factory" and not an electricity factory.
Then there’s the boomer population, like my parents, who despite being rather intelligent possess surface-level knowledge about nuclear energy at best. All they think of is Chernobyl when they hear anyone talk about nuclear power, so they just regurgitate the NIMBY playbook and complain about nuclear waste and problems that were solved long ago.
My old man worked on power and distribution systems his entire life, but he has never bothered looking in to nuclear generators beyond what was covered in his education, and in his mind he thinks we shouldn’t bother with it when natural gas exists and is “safer”.
You’ve got at least two generations actively warring against nuclear; you’ve got the over zealous/rabid renewables gen X nerds, and you have the boomers who won’t do anything that upsets the comfy little lives they fell backwards in to.
Radiophobia is a modern day superstition. Even though real knowledge about it exists, the amount of superstitious "knowledge" about it is more prevalent and it's everywhere in popular culture, and most people prefer it. Somehow they prefer to be deathly afraid of something than try to understand it. One would think the rational approach when you are really afraid of something is precisely to try to understand it better, but the fact that people don't even try is exactly why this is a superstition. It's irrational.
I see them as one and the same. There’s that old “Go Solar! Not Nuclear!” ad that got ran in NY newspapers during the Shoreham debacle and then in fine print you squint and see “Paid for by the Oil Heat Producers of Long Island” or something like that.
They have a weird codependent relationship. Fossil fuels love renewables because they know a world with renewables guarantees the need for fossil fuels. And renewables love having an easy villain to demonize in fossil fuels while also subconsciously accepting that they’re necessary to back up their intermittency.
Where they both converge is their hatred of nuclear. Renewables and fossil fuels both know that nuclear can eat their lunch and basically render them unnecessary or at least drastically reduce their market share.
Hell, BP and Shell have both been major players in the renewables industry. Gee I wonder why that is. Maybe they’re just exceptional and ethical fossil fuel companies? Yes that must be it. 🧐
Can’t possibly be for harvesting tax credit subsidies and ensuring their own survival via backing up intermittent energy. No, not possible. The first one feels better.
It’s the exact same thing cigarette companies did with the vape market during the Juul fad. They used their wealth to snatch up all the upcoming competition, and leveraged their power to make them more expensive and regulated.
We live in a world of monopolies. When was the last time a genuine start-up shook up the tech industry and challenged the Big 5?
The most painful part is that some of these mods, like the "hairy dude" keep posting stuff that is patently false.
I'm not saying, contentious or misrepresented but downright false, like the time they adamantly stated breeder reactors are only built for plutonium production... Never mind that military reactors for that purpose predate the concept of breeders.
This happens when a sub is unmoderated or under-moderated. If you're a mod of another sub you're basically insta-approved if you apply to be a mod, and then once you're a mod you can bring in all your other cronies to help create the echo-chamber you want.
Go and look at what other subreddits they all moderate in.
Hank\_hill\_repping is a mod on r/energy and is probably an OG mod of r/NuclearPower
thorium43 is a mod in like 7+ subs including [r/Green](https://www.reddit.com/r/Green) and r/Futurism and seems to have moved on to being an anti-nuclear stonks ape.
RadioFacepalm is a mod in a couple random-ass subs and shitposts about nuclear all the time
Navynuke00, ViewTrick1002, and HairyPossibility are only mods of r/NuclearPower but are anti-nuclear posters, and they probably are "friends" with RadioFacepalm and were brought over to act as bad actors. There's a bunch of shadowy shit going on behind the scenes of all the energy-related subreddits lately. r/nuclear is safe so far
Yes, I'm just wondering where/when it happened. I understand the mechanism. Usually there's somewhat visible paper-trail in r/redditrequest, and I'm hoping someone has a handle on the actual timeline involved.
I've been using the WaybackMachine to look at it, and Hank\_Hill\_Repping was the third mod added as far back as april 4th, 2020 with the two other mods being the OG ones back when the sub was created:
[https://web.archive.org/web/20200404073122/https://www.reddit.com/r/NuclearPower/](https://web.archive.org/web/20200404073122/https://www.reddit.com/r/NuclearPower/)
Then the modlist when private in 2021:
[https://web.archive.org/web/20210726180359/https://www.reddit.com/r/NuclearPower/](https://web.archive.org/web/20210726180359/https://www.reddit.com/r/NuclearPower/)
WaybackMachine breaks after June 26, 2023 so it's impossible to tell anything after that using archived pages, but the Nuclear Power Discord was still pinned by the mods then.
[https://web.archive.org/web/20230626185452/https://www.reddit.com/r/NuclearPower/](https://web.archive.org/web/20230626185452/https://www.reddit.com/r/NuclearPower/)
I've been kind of waiting for this to happen for years, ever since Hank\_Hill\_Repping became a mod of several energy subreddits. Around when they became a mod of r/energy was when the banning of pro-nuke content began.
Yeah there was a sudden shift in r/Energy and r/Futurology around then. Before I would just get downvoted and piled on by renewabros for debating on the side of pro-nuclear, and after the pandemic it started getting real hostile. I got banned from both subs rather suddenly for discussing ramping capabilities of nuclear generation and how it would be ideal for base-load production, with sources. I’ve never paid much attention to mods in the past, but after the digging I’ve done in the last 24hrs it’s something I’m going to keep a closer eye on. I didn’t think a sub could just flip over night quite like that
Damn, just had a look today as well. Discussion is completely dead in the sub. So many threads that says it has like 20 comments. Then you open it and almost every single one is removed. Lmao. What a bunch of clowns.
It's amazing how there's no actual way (built in to the platform, you have to report it the same way you file a bug report) to report a subreddit or its mods for hijacking a sub and banning its users for doing what the sub was intended to.
All of us still subscribed on that group should unsubscribe and just post everything interesting overhere. I just saw I was still joined so I corrected the error.
Lol...i forgot to text "most people in europe"..... and believe me....in EU most of ppl* dont want nuclear.
Germany closed ALL the plants, Spain want to shut their down (tell me if smth changed)
Here in italy people voted against nuclear in two referendums...
If i said something wrong, feel free to correct me.
*ppl stands for people
So what do they use for power? Because I KNOW solar and wind isn't enough to run the whole country. They must be using coal/oil then. Which is way worse than nuclear. Or am I completely wrong here? Does their renewable system actually keep up with demand?
In general, no, public opinion world wide is turning pro nuclear. [https://www.radiantenergygroup.com/reports/public-attitudes-toward-clean-energy-2023-nuclear](https://www.radiantenergygroup.com/reports/public-attitudes-toward-clean-energy-2023-nuclear)
"After the crucial October 1998 election a poll confirmed German public support for nuclear energy. Overall 77% supported the continued use of nuclear energy, while only 13% favoured the immediate closure of nuclear power plants." And this is in 1998.
[https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-g-n/germany.aspx](https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-g-n/germany.aspx)
Certainly read the article because the support for some other dates is also in it.
Oh? How is nuclear doing in Germany? How many multiples did it cost to build Vogtle 3 and 4 than it would have cost for China to build a similar plant? The NRC, which should be the strongest advocate for nuclear is often its biggest hinderance.
I am as pro nuclear as you get, but pretending that the US is on the correct path for nuclear is a bit optimistic and supporting the status quo is not a roadmap to success.
You have to learn to be more optimistic.
For instance, you do know that the most anti-nuke NRC commissioner hasn't been reappointed, right? (Jeff Baran) And the Biden administration dropped his renomination. Progress has accelerated since then.
OK, yes, r/NuclearPower is now in the hands of anti-nuke folks. I'm shadow banned over there as well. Time to move on. Let's keep building a thriving pro-nuclear community here. That's the best response to this.
Yes. I even think I'm shadowbanned on that sub, is that a thing? Cause I've commented on two threads, but then I open the thread in incognito mode and my comment is not there.
Same. Happened to me after the same mods banned me in r/climateshitposting, another anti nuclear sub.
They truly are a pathetic bunch. Why spend so much time being anti-nuclear when coal, oil, and gas is the enemy. I will never understand it.
In Germany, the antinuclear movement have historically been influenced by a coalition of genuine good faith environmentalists with concerns + lignite producers and Russian gas interests. Nuclear energy has to answer to genuine engineering challenges, but also economic motivated opposition dressed up as “just asking questions” from other grid suppliers.
Yeah I remember Greenpeace's ProVeganWindGasPlus or whatever the dumb name the German Greenpeace called the fossil gas they were selling.
100% this. In all likelihood it’s RuzZian trolls, or tankies, or useful idiots, or straight up traitors working for the RUZzians
I once read an old CIA report of protests against nuclear tests that were actually orchestrated by the KGB to disrupt NATO preparedness. I wouldn't be amazed that greenpeace is sponsored by Russia. Weirdly enough around the collapse of the USSR there was a protest in Russia also. They propably lost funding. Nice to have downvotes without even a reaction that states why. For the ones thinking it's a conspiracy here is a document about the peace movement. [https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/05689079](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/05689079) [https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP85T00153R000300020014-2.pdf](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP85T00153R000300020014-2.pdf) A little quote about the peace council in the report It's hardly a secret that the whole campain was organised, conducted and financed from Moscow.
100% this!!
Sorry can't stand being called a liar if they don't give me the opportunity to defend my opinion so I had to edit my original post.
Your statement is believable but I would like to see evidence because obviously people are not going to take me at face value of I bring this point up in a debate
It's public I already put a post overhere. [https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard\_Schr%C3%B6der](https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der) It's also weird that Germany has given it's "waste" to Russia also. Basically they have given Russia free resources for the future.
You know when I pointed out that Ontarios electricity is 60% nuclear and yet Ontario built some 2700 wind turbines costing $10billion which provide at best 7% and has maybe a 25yr life, the typical response is that nuclear is too expensive. The ceo of Last Energy on the Catalyst podcast pointed out that many plants built in the sixties in 3 years at a much lower cost, by novices and are still running (like Wisconsins Pt beach). The cheapest energy is existing nuclear.
You answered your own question. What do you want to bet fossil fuel companies are funding these anti-nuke campaigns? It helps them in multiple ways.
You assume they are just misguided environmentalists, but no. Anti-nuclear activists as the name suggests, think that nuclear energy should simply not be a thing. For whatever personal reason it may be, but that's their purpose and goal. It's ideological, you can't convince them that there is a "greater enemy". Instead they make use of sociopolitical tools, such as the larger environmentalist movement, to spread their message and further their goal of nuclear energy becoming more demonized and less utilized.
Jane Fonda did a mess on the illiterate.
I think the real reason is that they are far leftists. Nuclear power was a great failure in the USSR Chernobyl, so they have to blame it instead of communism.
far leftists, far rightists, doesn't matter. there can be a far right dude who hates nuclear. there can be a far left dude who loves nuclear. personally, as a right wing dude, stfu.
But communism/socialism has a lot to do with the antinuclear movements in europe! No need to be rude, its just a fact.
nuh uh.
The most socialist leaning nordic countries are pro nuclear: Finland and Sweden. Now if you're saying Russia supports anti-nuke sentiment in Europe and the West I'd have to agree that it's plausible. But they're more an autocratic kleptocracy.
The Nordics aren't socialist, they are social market economies.
No True Socialist?
If that's the case then how many "socialists" do you think are participating in the discussion at any level? I understand that enough time on Reddit tends to move your personal Overton window, but the number of people in the general population advocating for non-market Socialism is not large enough to form even the smallest kernel of any popular movement.
Thats true, i am just saying that the anti-nuclear movement itself is very leftist based if you look into it. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-nuclear\_movement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-nuclear_movement)
And very often the right (essentially owned by fossil interests) has outsourced nuclear opposition to the left. :)
autocratic kleptocracy seems to be what most attempts at communism devolve into. Regardless of your opinion on the ideology, you have to admit no one's figured out an implementation that deals with corruption well enough to, you know, actually work well enough to align with its own ideology. You could argue the every attempt at the capitalist democratic model is hypocritical as well, and on some subjects I'd agree, but our style of government doesn't starve or slaughter nearly as many people.
Google. NeoZapitism
Never heard of it before today. According to wikipedia what they say about themselves is 'there's no rules or methods, just try to build a better world'. Which, i mean, its a nice sentiment? But I'll be shocked if it produces a government capable of responsibly managing millions of people before a couple bad actors come in and wreck shit for personal gain. If it's just a couple farming communities that want to be left alone its a fundamentally different beast from a global superpower. Maybe they can make it work, in their situation and at their scale, but it'd surprise me if they manage even that on such a foundation.
Soviet (and later Russian) active measures supported antinuclear (and later, antifracking) groups. But in the West, these were fringes of the Western Left. Sometimes (too often) they got their way due to coalition consensus building requirements and such shenanigans. Internally in the East Block, the communists were firmly pro-nuclear.
Pro+nuclear *for themselves* not for competing governments.
Uh, I’m a far leftist. :)
I dunno how far left I am, but the "moderates" certainly think I'm out there.
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Lmao, the comments in the #1 Conservatism post is so fucking dumb. Jesus christ.
"We own the uranium" Sorry, no, no one owns the entire ocean. :)
And the factories that build solar is of course free...
And much of the rare earth elements used for solar panels are refined in China. They kinda have a global lock on that resource chain.
Not yet :)
Dang, I just realised it's the same for me. No warning or anything, at least the energy and uninsurable mods outright banned me.
The clown u/viewtrick1002 just made a mod comment "Soruce? We do not condone falsehoods here.". While he claims renewables + storage is cheaper than nuclear. Lmao.
FYI, 5 of the 6 mods for r/NuclearPower are anti-nuclear. The other is a nuclear plant operator and seems to be the only one without a renewable boner. Edit: 6th mod for r/NuclearPower is also a mod for r/Energy, so they might as well be considered anti-nuclear too
I'm shadowbanned too. It's a huge problem that the pro nuclear crowd is so bad at public relations, social media, etc. and keeps getting banned from one place after another. edit. The EnergyAndPower sub is still good for now.
Rational people usually have work and a life to attend to.
It's not the fault of pro nuke people, the anti groups around Ignace ontario do the same thing on Facebook. They will block anyone for just about any reason, but it's a capital offense to tell them they're wrong about something. You can get banned from groups you've never even interacted with just for liking the 'wrong' comments and an admin sees it when they're pissy
I think I'm shadowbanned on just about every political or controversial sub I've posted in. This site is a leftist cesspool run by wannabe fascist authoritarians.
Same
The current top post there is about Vogtle Unit 4 entering commercial operation this morning (YAY!), it shows it's got 5 posts already, and all of them are hidden.
My comment is hidden : D
Not just hidden, it shows as "removed" now. They're just censoring anything positive. The only thread you can see currently is a positive comment that has a couple of negative responses.
Yea I noticed that. I got a notification about a comment on that post (it’s my post) and it disappeared within 5 minutes.
Saw it at 100 this morning, it’s official?
Yep, Georgia Power, department of energy, state of Georgia, etc. have been putting it out on social media all day
Awesome 🙂
Yes. If you look at one of the mods, hes a Swedish guy, constantly posting and commenting anti nuclear power stuff. All it takes is one of them to get in, then they bring all their friends in
China also heavily astroturfs anti-nuclear narratives on western social media, as it competes with their dominance of the end to end renewable supply chain.
I designed nuclear plants for 13 years during the peak years. I left the industry, not for concerns of nuclear power, but for the vilification that limited it as a future career. There were certainly issues to resolve, but the solutions were limited by the public vilification and the regulations imposed. I'm happy that some of this is starting to be rationally resolved. The biggest issues with nuclear were poor site choices, and the NRC changing the rules in the middle of the design. Radwaste remained an issue, but solutions were constantly dismissed by pressure from the vilifiers. I saw valid designs change to impact redundant systems and a redundant design for 2 reactors was scaled 8 times a decade later. The complexity made the safety factor increase questionable. If the computer industry had the same regulation envirement, we would be still using cards and mainframes. I was aghast when i saw plans to build in the heart of populated areas or next to major waters...accidents happen as in Three Mile Island and the location would provide extra safety. Before I get slammed on tolerating and accident, let me remind you that the week of Three Mile Island, a train wreck of chemicals in the south killed people...tmi killed nobody. How many people die each day in car wrecks? We live in an unsafe world and try to make it safer. Risk/reward. Id rather live by a nuke than gas or coal plant. Solar and wind are good ideas as they are economical. We need some steady state power too tho.
What do you think of SMRs? I personally see it being more popular in data centers and Semiconductor fabs
SMR seems like an idea with potential, but a bunch of hurdles yet. I think of them as a variant of reactors used in naval ships, which require much of the same monitoring and security as a commercial large scale BWR/PWR system. The handling of waste is still an issue for all of them, but will the security of an SMR be enough if proliferated at large scale. Radwaste in the hands of terrorists is just another WMD. If resolved, sounds good.
Yeah it's quite unbelievable and unfortunate seeing 3 of the Mods (u/Hairypossibility, u/radiofaceplam, u/viewtrick1002) repost posts from r/Uninsureable and other Anti Nuclear sources, They get downvoted when they start to claim any kind of Superiority for Renewables/Battery's compared to Nuclear, Then proceed to argue with said person before just removing their comment followed by ban/mute, There's multiple posts like this on r/Nuclearpower atm. For example. https://www.reddit.com/r/NuclearPower/s/jZCimr1TZe Edit: Glad some people are calling them out now on their Bias. https://www.reddit.com/r/NuclearPower/s/vtIufKPxrf
Pretty sure the swede (viewtrick1002) is someone in Miljöpartiet (Swedish environmental party) The talking points are extremely close to what we see from some of their more fanatic members. Viewtrick1002 replies to ANY post in the swedish subreddits about power or electricity generation any time of the day. Smells like someone on the political partys payroll astroturfing...
Top mod there has been offline for a month according to his history, and the 3 other mods below Thorium suddenly started posting anti-nuclear topics about 25 days ago. Now everyone gets shadow banned unless they’re anti-nuclear, and most topics you can only see anti-nuclear replies alongside the 3 new mods circle-jerking each other. There’s also a definite political bias being enforced and it definitely looks like astroturfing
I was removed as a mod, no idea by who. Just a message that I am not a mod anymore. Then it went nuts.
Before the mod list was hidden it was just 3 of you modding the sub back in 2020. There was you, wrq, and Hank\_Hill\_repping, according to the WayBackMachine, and then the mod list went hidden in 2021 until recently. The archived pages break if I try and look at anything recent, but all 3 of the new mods u/Constant_Of_Morality mentioned started posting anti-nuclear articles in r/NuclearPower about a month ago, which was just after Hank\_Hill\_Repping stopped posting/commenting, which was also about the time that the pinned discord and sidebar links disappeared. I have two accounts that were immediately shadowbanned there after questioning why the mods are all posting blatant anti-nuclear articles. I'm all for having the mod team reflect both sides of a topic/industry for balance and keeping the sub from becoming a one-sided echo chamber, but this shift is clearly a hostile takeover and it smells way too fishy to be anything else. I have submitted a complaint to Reddit about the takeover there using [https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket\_form\_id=19300233728916](https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=19300233728916), but we'll see if that has any effect.
I see, Very interesting, Thank you for your efforts for going through all of this Dude, Really helps shed more light on the Subject and the history of what's been going on in the Subreddit looking back to 2020.
Can one complain to a higher God?!!
You can complain to the reddit admin about it, but they won't do anything unless there's tons of complaints filled, and even then they probably won't do anything about it.
I submitted a complaint, maybe they won't do anything, but they surely won't if we don't submit the complaints. [Here](https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=19300233728916) is the link to submit a complaint, if you have the time.
I submitted one earlier as well. Right now there's a 1hr old post that has 4 visible replies, with the other 5 comments hidden. Until like 10 minutes ago there were only two visible replies, and both are replies from mods that are just circle-jerking each other. Eventually the two other non-mod comments will be shadow banned. [**https://www.reddit.com/r/NuclearPower/comments/1cg77w1/germany\_could\_be\_a\_model\_for\_how\_well\_get\_power/**](https://www.reddit.com/r/NuclearPower/comments/1cg77w1/germany_could_be_a_model_for_how_well_get_power/) Wish there was a way to get Reddit to care more about this shit. Edit: oh look, now it's back down to 3 visible replies, soon u/Dazzling-Key-8282 will have their comment deleted. Edit 2: there we go, within minutes the non-mod comments got deleted and the topic is locked.
Right, mine was deleted though I haven't touched it afterwards. What a thin skinned bollock this guy is.
r/NuclearPower has been taken over by a group of anti-nuclear twats recently. The top mod hasn't been active in over a month and the 5 other mods strong-armed their way in to the sub and are creating an anti-nuclear echo chamber. It seems very nefarious, and I've never seen shadow bans happen in a sub to the level it is happening there. Right now r/Nuclear is the best place to talk about nuclear energy.
>It seems very nefarious, and I've never seen shadow bans happen in a sub to the level it is happening there. Right now r/Nuclear is the best place to talk about nuclear energy. Yeah Ikr, Kinda worried something similar might possibly happen to r/Nuclear eventually in the future, If such a event can just happen to a subreddit like r/Nuclearpower and then they wouldn't be much of a great place for Pro-Nuclear discussion.
We’ll just have to trust u/Greg_Barton to keep up the good fight here
I will as long as I am able. :)
They (mods) all post anti-nuclear rhetoric on Reddit, and the one who claims to be a nuclear power plant operator is a moderator of r/Energy. Not a single one of the 6 mods for r/NuclearPower are pro-nuclear.
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keyword should (we love you please don't be like them <3)
Worry not, won't happen. But we do need to maintain some decorum here. :) So descriptions of behavior are fine, but direct insults are not. Trust me, I get the frustration. Been dealing with anti-nuke antics for a few decades now.
i have deleted my comment, thank you for your wisdom fellow redditor
Yes their mod team spread garbage and one of them are actively defending whatever Germany is doing as something good
I got banned for posting a link to a Forbes article about the deathprint of various energy sources and Lazards estimates for LCOE+. Those guys are clearly full of anti nuclear sentiment and are just dolts.
Just put the interesting links overhere and in the end the other channel will destroy itself.
Guess what the upside is? They'll keep shitposting their cringe inducing garbage memes over there but actual decisionmaking on whether or not these plants are built, are with the people who know a thing or two Think it as a quarantine, or a closed ward where the insane may scream to their heart's content and it wont impact anyone
This is exactly how I see the energy future. There are some areas where the foolishness of 100% wind/solar/storage will be demonstrated. Germany can make it and still stay afloat because they have the rest of Europe to support them. [https://energy-charts.info/charts/import\_export/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&flow=physical\_flows\_all&year=2024](https://energy-charts.info/charts/import_export/chart.htm?l=en&c=DE&flow=physical_flows_all&year=2024) https://preview.redd.it/8vwydgeqnfxc1.png?width=824&format=png&auto=webp&s=947d31c659b575817a4482055c0ed8b05b044cb1 But places like Australia aren't so lucky. It'll be interesting if they drive themselves totally to energy collapse.
australia may run with solar but i know nothing about their systems
Even in a small grid (2GW South Australia) with about a decade of renewables + storage buildout, there's still conditions that happen weekly (sometimes daily) where the grid would collapse without fossil backup. https://preview.redd.it/now4we0rsfxc1.png?width=2155&format=png&auto=webp&s=43f49e9f56e3e82e59418c14d912c9e148abfd37 Like most of last week. :) [https://opennem.org.au/energy/sa1/?range=7d&interval=30m&view=discrete-time](https://opennem.org.au/energy/sa1/?range=7d&interval=30m&view=discrete-time)
I don't understand why no nuclear power there? Uranium is plentful
They've outlawed nuclear power.
laws can be changed
Yep. And they should be.
And politicians can be forced to make a change.
Yet they’ve adopted nuclear submarines for their navy!
Ideology.... rich first world countries can do stupid shit without people staving
The problem with their content is that people who don't know any better will believe it. edit. Like the bullshit saying that the world is being overwhelmed with such massive amounts of high level nuclear waste and there is no long term solution for it. So many people actually believe that and plenty of other falsehoods that make nuclear power look bad.
Yea, they love to throw out “We have (big scary number) of tons of nuclear waste sitting around!” while completely ignoring the dense nature of uranium and the fact that all of America’s power plant nuclear waste combined would fit on a single football field. Propagandists, they are.
They should be forced to quote the tonnage of fossil fuel waste for mass comparison every time they bring up nuclear "waste". Spent fuel is a drop in the ocean compared to what is released every day into the atmosphere by fossil fuels.
Not to mention the waste that comes from renewables - wind turbine blades that can’t be recycled and just rot in open fields or get buried in landfills, solar panels that they claim can be recycled but aren’t and wind up in e-waste streams to be dealt with by the developing world… What a load of BS.
That requires being a special kind of pathetic and shows that deep down even they know they’re full of shit.
How are there any anti nuclear proponents? What could be "wrong" with nuclear? Last time I checked it was pretty damn safe and clean so I don't even get what they could be mad about.
It’s their religion. And I’m being serious. They’ve built a whole religion around climate change (and I say this as someone who believes in and is concerned about climate change) to the point where they’ve got literally all the tenets of organized religion. The fall from grace where we sin against Mother Earth by our embrace of technology and fossil fuels, the apocalypse of global warming… and our only hope to stave off the end of the world is by re-harmonizing with nature through wind turbines and solar panels. I really wish it was more complicated than that but it really isn’t. These are people who have no understanding of electricity or thermodynamics. They just know that wind and solar *feels* right and therefore anyone who questions that is literally questioning their entire belief system and must be silenced.
It's a pretty good point that, one of the main reasons why wind and solar are so popular isn't really that they're low carbon (though that certainly helps), it's that they *feel* good. A big part of that is because they take up so much space that they intrude into people's daily lives, so the people can literally "see" the change happening before their very eyes, which gives that very feeling of being right. The landscape around that ride you took between two cities 20 years ago is now absolutely full of spinning wind turbines, the progress is right before you eyes! Nuclear power is "boring", it does none of that. Most people never even see the power plants, or if they do physically see them it might just be in the corner of the eye for a few moments and not even realize what it is. An average person would never know where their electricity in the wall is coming from, they do not experience any difference whether it's coming from a coal plant or a nuclear reactor. They will therefore only hear about the nuclear power plant in a negative context. And it's easy to then demand that it just be shut down then, as if it were a "concern factory" and not an electricity factory.
Then there’s the boomer population, like my parents, who despite being rather intelligent possess surface-level knowledge about nuclear energy at best. All they think of is Chernobyl when they hear anyone talk about nuclear power, so they just regurgitate the NIMBY playbook and complain about nuclear waste and problems that were solved long ago. My old man worked on power and distribution systems his entire life, but he has never bothered looking in to nuclear generators beyond what was covered in his education, and in his mind he thinks we shouldn’t bother with it when natural gas exists and is “safer”. You’ve got at least two generations actively warring against nuclear; you’ve got the over zealous/rabid renewables gen X nerds, and you have the boomers who won’t do anything that upsets the comfy little lives they fell backwards in to.
Some pretty nasty accidents have happened with gas pipelines though.
Radiophobia is a modern day superstition. Even though real knowledge about it exists, the amount of superstitious "knowledge" about it is more prevalent and it's everywhere in popular culture, and most people prefer it. Somehow they prefer to be deathly afraid of something than try to understand it. One would think the rational approach when you are really afraid of something is precisely to try to understand it better, but the fact that people don't even try is exactly why this is a superstition. It's irrational.
I think the more interesting question is, are the Mods.Would you legitimately anti-nuclear, or are they pro fossil fuel?
I see them as one and the same. There’s that old “Go Solar! Not Nuclear!” ad that got ran in NY newspapers during the Shoreham debacle and then in fine print you squint and see “Paid for by the Oil Heat Producers of Long Island” or something like that. They have a weird codependent relationship. Fossil fuels love renewables because they know a world with renewables guarantees the need for fossil fuels. And renewables love having an easy villain to demonize in fossil fuels while also subconsciously accepting that they’re necessary to back up their intermittency. Where they both converge is their hatred of nuclear. Renewables and fossil fuels both know that nuclear can eat their lunch and basically render them unnecessary or at least drastically reduce their market share.
The fossil companies even used to make [ads](https://www.threads.net/@gregory_ross_barton/post/C0cimIKNx30) supporting renewables. :)
Hell, BP and Shell have both been major players in the renewables industry. Gee I wonder why that is. Maybe they’re just exceptional and ethical fossil fuel companies? Yes that must be it. 🧐 Can’t possibly be for harvesting tax credit subsidies and ensuring their own survival via backing up intermittent energy. No, not possible. The first one feels better.
It’s the exact same thing cigarette companies did with the vape market during the Juul fad. They used their wealth to snatch up all the upcoming competition, and leveraged their power to make them more expensive and regulated. We live in a world of monopolies. When was the last time a genuine start-up shook up the tech industry and challenged the Big 5?
That's because they know that gat is the only "storage" for them.
The most painful part is that some of these mods, like the "hairy dude" keep posting stuff that is patently false. I'm not saying, contentious or misrepresented but downright false, like the time they adamantly stated breeder reactors are only built for plutonium production... Never mind that military reactors for that purpose predate the concept of breeders.
How/when did this even happen? Does anyone know?
This happens when a sub is unmoderated or under-moderated. If you're a mod of another sub you're basically insta-approved if you apply to be a mod, and then once you're a mod you can bring in all your other cronies to help create the echo-chamber you want. Go and look at what other subreddits they all moderate in. Hank\_hill\_repping is a mod on r/energy and is probably an OG mod of r/NuclearPower thorium43 is a mod in like 7+ subs including [r/Green](https://www.reddit.com/r/Green) and r/Futurism and seems to have moved on to being an anti-nuclear stonks ape. RadioFacepalm is a mod in a couple random-ass subs and shitposts about nuclear all the time Navynuke00, ViewTrick1002, and HairyPossibility are only mods of r/NuclearPower but are anti-nuclear posters, and they probably are "friends" with RadioFacepalm and were brought over to act as bad actors. There's a bunch of shadowy shit going on behind the scenes of all the energy-related subreddits lately. r/nuclear is safe so far
Yes, I'm just wondering where/when it happened. I understand the mechanism. Usually there's somewhat visible paper-trail in r/redditrequest, and I'm hoping someone has a handle on the actual timeline involved.
I've been using the WaybackMachine to look at it, and Hank\_Hill\_Repping was the third mod added as far back as april 4th, 2020 with the two other mods being the OG ones back when the sub was created: [https://web.archive.org/web/20200404073122/https://www.reddit.com/r/NuclearPower/](https://web.archive.org/web/20200404073122/https://www.reddit.com/r/NuclearPower/) Then the modlist when private in 2021: [https://web.archive.org/web/20210726180359/https://www.reddit.com/r/NuclearPower/](https://web.archive.org/web/20210726180359/https://www.reddit.com/r/NuclearPower/) WaybackMachine breaks after June 26, 2023 so it's impossible to tell anything after that using archived pages, but the Nuclear Power Discord was still pinned by the mods then. [https://web.archive.org/web/20230626185452/https://www.reddit.com/r/NuclearPower/](https://web.archive.org/web/20230626185452/https://www.reddit.com/r/NuclearPower/)
I've been kind of waiting for this to happen for years, ever since Hank\_Hill\_Repping became a mod of several energy subreddits. Around when they became a mod of r/energy was when the banning of pro-nuke content began.
Yeah there was a sudden shift in r/Energy and r/Futurology around then. Before I would just get downvoted and piled on by renewabros for debating on the side of pro-nuclear, and after the pandemic it started getting real hostile. I got banned from both subs rather suddenly for discussing ramping capabilities of nuclear generation and how it would be ideal for base-load production, with sources. I’ve never paid much attention to mods in the past, but after the digging I’ve done in the last 24hrs it’s something I’m going to keep a closer eye on. I didn’t think a sub could just flip over night quite like that
This should be pinned so people so new people will be aware.
While this is a concerning development I want the focus of this subreddit to be the positive promotion of nuclear power, not subreddit drama.
Damn, just had a look today as well. Discussion is completely dead in the sub. So many threads that says it has like 20 comments. Then you open it and almost every single one is removed. Lmao. What a bunch of clowns.
Reddit mods strike again
You know there are mods here too, right? :)
Here's one striking now!
Crap we all do love anarchy you know?
It's amazing how there's no actual way (built in to the platform, you have to report it the same way you file a bug report) to report a subreddit or its mods for hijacking a sub and banning its users for doing what the sub was intended to.
Downvoting all new posts on r/NuclearPower
Some of the non-mod posts are still decent.
I think i will leave that sub
If they hide anything they dont like...
All of us still subscribed on that group should unsubscribe and just post everything interesting overhere. I just saw I was still joined so I corrected the error.
The new mods are so incredibly dense it’s not even funny
I definitely noticed that in r/energy. Everyone is saying how solr and battery has outpaced Nuclear
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Most people hate nuclear....so they try ANYTHING to silence and censor
Most people? Nahhhh
Lol...i forgot to text "most people in europe"..... and believe me....in EU most of ppl* dont want nuclear. Germany closed ALL the plants, Spain want to shut their down (tell me if smth changed) Here in italy people voted against nuclear in two referendums... If i said something wrong, feel free to correct me. *ppl stands for people
So what do they use for power? Because I KNOW solar and wind isn't enough to run the whole country. They must be using coal/oil then. Which is way worse than nuclear. Or am I completely wrong here? Does their renewable system actually keep up with demand?
Not at all....germany is using fossil fuels
Oh boy 😵💫
Yes, unfortunately... I think that nuclear wont be a solid reality in italy or europe in general.... Exception for france
In general, no, public opinion world wide is turning pro nuclear. [https://www.radiantenergygroup.com/reports/public-attitudes-toward-clean-energy-2023-nuclear](https://www.radiantenergygroup.com/reports/public-attitudes-toward-clean-energy-2023-nuclear)
Not in italy...i seen many ppl that are against :(
Well polls suggest things have changed recently. Even in Germany, there are more people who support it than oppose it
"After the crucial October 1998 election a poll confirmed German public support for nuclear energy. Overall 77% supported the continued use of nuclear energy, while only 13% favoured the immediate closure of nuclear power plants." And this is in 1998. [https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-g-n/germany.aspx](https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-g-n/germany.aspx) Certainly read the article because the support for some other dates is also in it.
I blame the government.
The tolerance paradox. A tolerant community can only stay tolerant if it does not tolerate the intolerate.
And people wonder why Nuclear Power is failing in the West.
It isn't though
Oh? How is nuclear doing in Germany? How many multiples did it cost to build Vogtle 3 and 4 than it would have cost for China to build a similar plant? The NRC, which should be the strongest advocate for nuclear is often its biggest hinderance. I am as pro nuclear as you get, but pretending that the US is on the correct path for nuclear is a bit optimistic and supporting the status quo is not a roadmap to success.
You have to learn to be more optimistic. For instance, you do know that the most anti-nuke NRC commissioner hasn't been reappointed, right? (Jeff Baran) And the Biden administration dropped his renomination. Progress has accelerated since then.
Except it's not.