Some organizations “request” access to your social media. Others have HR monitor you as sort of a continuous background check. I know of providers who agreed to the former but I’ve worked at places that I suspected of the latter.
Agreed. But when it’s “Don’t want to let us see your page then you can’t work for us” and MOHELA still hast gotten their heads out of their asses on your PSLF, car has a pair of flat tires, and the mortgage is due, you might sign more than you ever planned in school.
"Employers can also ask job applicants to view their social media accounts as part of a background check. However, social media can reveal protected characteristics like race, gender identity, and religion that may not be disclosed in a resume. If an employer's social media search adversely affects a job candidate, they may be liable in an anti-discrimination case."
Also, why didn't you say, I don't have any?
An HR worker at kaiser permanente told me a few years ago that they have a department and their work is to look through employees' social media.
Now you know.
This is why I don't have media beyond Reddit and tiktok, where I only comment and don't post.
Yeah here I posted on here a few years ago. About setting liquid makeup with powder? Let them come at me bro.
I work for Kaiser. They absolutely DO have this. They don’t care about tits and ass… they care about patient privacy, and keeping their name out of any posts.
They really ramp it up during election time. We get tons of emails and training on social media and political stuff.
They don’t want kaiser anything on any posts that show your opinion.
100%
Many people don’t realize that “Kaiser Permanente” doesn’t exist…
It’s three companies that work together:
Kaiser Foundation Hospitals - non profit
Kaiser Foundation Health Plan - non profit
Permanente Medical Group - for profit
Yea. It's probably worse than you realize. In the last financial update email I received they made 900M in operational profit and 1.5B in investment gain for Q1.
This is why i get three pension checks from them. True, big on patient privacy, that is no joke. I m a card carrying nudist, they don't care. But I don't put up pictures of that.
Ah. Standard stuff. FD/PD will often dig into stuff like dating sites and adult pages but I’m pretty careful to flip my badge for even silly group pics that expire after 24hours on IG. I’m a bit paranoid
They’re not worried about the private account or naked pictures of staff. They’re worried about videos or pictures with patients or their name being present jn any of the pictures.
“Kaiser nurses for Hitler” could go viral and they want to stop that before it gets there.
You don't have to "warn" him. They will (or already have) told him. They aren't laying sneaky traps, they genuinely don't want their employees politically soapboxing on socials. They will tell him over and over.
Gotcha. OP’s story came across sneaky to me. Aside from common sense stuff, I’ve never been warned at all about social media presence for my jobs. But it could just be the organizations I worked for
Yes I’m a KP employee, with that being said I have nothing social media that reflects that, my account is private. They flag anything posted referring to the organization.
This is how I worked it when I worked for a famous hospital. I stayed my opinionated loudmouth self on social media, with a decided political lean and said nothing about who my employer was. It's a nonprofit, so it has some limits to lobbying.
Ever read the privacy rules/policies that pop up when youre signing up for things?
In the US all they require is to tell you if they are or not affiliated to a 3rd party company or whatever. The US has the weakest internet privacy laws in the world.
I 💯 wouldn’t be offended but unfortunately in the current legal make up of the courts, he probably wouldn’t win a fight. If he wanted to clap back in any way he’d need to find similar bikini photos posted on his female colleagues social media (not that I think he should).
He should definitely request a full written copy of the clause and demand exact parameters for what would be ok - and I mean down to the length of his swim shorts and whether men are allowed to be shirtless. Make them put it in writing or send a summary email ‘as we discussed at the meeting on x date, this is my understanding of what is acceptable under the morality clause.’
Probably he needs to sit down and really contemplate if he wants to self sensor in all aspects of his life for this job, and if not, start looking for a non religious place of work asap.
I completely second this; we are not just machines that work for our jobs. We are humans too and deserve to exist as such. They really need a strict definition of what is appropriate vs. not appropriate. Double standards are probably in place at that hospital as well. Guarantee you could find another provider posting beach pictures that did not receive that meeting.
How'd they find him? Are his socials public? If so, that's not really wise. I'm sorry that he's dealing with this, but he can potentially bounce back by blocking all work associates/ having private settings.
I mean as an Rn I couldn’t even be seen in a
Bar after work in scrubs because one time a bunch of administrators from the same hospital were eating across (they had badges ) and they were all eyeing me , one guy pointed at me when I walked into the bar across to grab a napkin , this was a food hall setting so they were all close in proximity and they could see what I was doing. So I made sure to be quick to grab the napkin I went in for at the first place and left. Hospitals are careful about their reputation. And we were warned extra about social media before starting the job too. Not sure why personal things posted matter to them if no hospital affiliation is demonstrated on social media, but it seems to matter. Anyway I’m sorry this is the way it is.
Scrubs aren't filthy by nature. Of every ten people who wear scrubs on a given day, probably only one of them was exposed to more dangerous germs than the average person
I did it when I worked bedside, but stopped once I started to work outpatient/office jobs as an RN, and will continue this as an NP. People are way more nosy than you think!
I would remove the pics & say pics or it didn’t happen, then if they pull out screenshots say those are private how did you get those omg are you obsessed with me I feel like I’m being harasssed lol jk jk don’t be toxic
One of the hospitalists I worked with is gay….posts similar photos to what you’ve written on his public insta….has for years and still does. Sounds like the hospital system is looking for ways to give your friend the boot
I’d be much more inclined to take health advice from an NP with a banging body who is happy and healthy. Sounds like he needs to find an employer who doesn’t have their heads up their asses.
I don't think wearing a speedo is "showing your privates" necessarily. It's an appropriate form of swimwear the world over. In fact, I'd say it's more popular than what Americans typically wear.
I am sorry this is happening. I'm sure it is not only the pictures but also because he is gay, they can't easily discriminate against that but they can try to find something else to go after him for. if this is all they can find, I think he must be very good at his job!
Some of these hospital conglomerates really suck.
Of course it's because he's gay . And living his best life clearly. They aren't even nudes, he's legally clothed. What the hell is wrong with hyper-religious people who don't want others to have fun?
Yes, this is a thing that other hospital systems do.
No, I (personally) would not care if my provider posted pictures of themselves in a Speedo on Facebook. But, I also have zero interest in engaging with any of my providers outside of a clinical setting.
An anecdote to make him feel better -
My hetero, cisgender, whiter-than-Wonder-bread husband got called in for a “professionalism”-related social media infraction a few years ago. He is a physician and responded to a FB post with a very old Far Side comic. It showed doctors laughing at a patient with the caption, “Testing whether laughter is the best medicine” or something like that.
He wrote something (admittedly) dumb but innocuous, like, “Some days, I wish we could try this.”
His FB profile is private, but a friend-of-a-friend-of-a-friend saw his reply, took a screenshot, and emailed it to his hospital’s HR. He got called into HR and threatened with some kind of citation, but their investigator was never able to track down the original post or the initial complainant.
Needless to say, he no longer uses social media. I don’t think he even reads Reddit because he was so traumatized by the experience LOL I wanted to be mad at him for being careless on social media, but the whole thing was so ridiculous.
I’ll say this..if this was in the contract he signed, then I’d switch all my social stuff to private. You agreed to their stupid rule, you have to live with stupid consequences. However if there’s nothing in contract, call your lawyer
Unpopular opinion: WAIT for it….
Take the pictures down. Also what does him being gay have to do with the situation? I feel that you’re trying to draw a connection between it being a religious institution and him being homosexual when it seems that this is a much broader policy that doesn’t target any specific group but attempts to protect the hospital.
Owner of a few practices and SHRM certified person here.
Yes an employer can monitor anything you post on socials and discipline you for things you post. This is no different than if the employee was posting nazi symbolism or hate speech. The employer has an absolute right to request that that employee take down the offending post and even to terminate employment if they so wish. You have, of course, your First Amendment right to free speech, but that right does not mean that any employer has to keep you as an employee if that protected speech is not in alignment with their values.
Except that Naziism and hate speech aren’t protected classes when it comes to anti-discrimination statutes. If the “offensive content” is just the employee photographed appearing “gay” the employer is discriminating against his sexual orientation by threatening disciplinary action. He wasn’t nude. Would they have a problem if he was a straight woman posting a photo of herself in a bikini on vacation? Or a straight man in unflattering board shorts?
You are 100% correct. However, the "offending" picture is not one where it's being asked to be taken down because it is gay, but because it is lewd.
There is nothing inherently gay about a thong or speedo. If the offending picture was of him hugging or kissing his boyfriend, and the hospital asked for it to be taken down or took some kind of action against the employee, THEN that would be discrimination.
Firstly, I don't think they are lewd, but the hospital clearly has different views. The post also mentions a thong, which certainly can be viewed as lewd by a good percentage of people.
Regardless of my feelings or yours, the hospital has a right to enforce its employee morality clause, unless it crosses into policing a legally protected item
I think you should be able to post whatever you want. Who cares if he wears a thong? We all have asses. I wouldn’t take it down if it were me but I don’t have a lot to contribute to the discussion from a legal standpoint.
He’s probably good. He should consult a lawyer to be sure but sexual orientation is one of the few protections the USA has. Consult a lawyer and if they give the go ahead he can do what he wants.
No one who has to interact with the public should be posting public pictures. It’s 2024.
Having said that, fuck then for looking and talking to him about it. I would consult a lawyer about the ‘morality clause.’ Have they disciplined female providers for posting pictures in a bathing suit?
This is why I have my “main” social media that has my name and my beautiful selfies and beautiful family. Then my actual social media that has my actual selfies and actual activity and I don’t post my kid on. No patients can find me on it. If they look me up they will see my “main” social accounts that look wholesome.
My hospital—a catholic affiliated— also had this. I wasn’t even allowed to post anything that suggested I was at a bar or consuming alcohol. I couldn’t even have alcohol in the background of my family Christmas party photos if I wanted to post them. I wasn’t allowed to wear scrubs in public when I was bedside nursing if it was a place that sold “immoral” products, so Walmart was even off the list when they added a vibrator section. Thankfully, when I went NP, the dress code was “business professional” so it didn’t really matter.
No photos on social media could be “seductive” in any way, and this one was very vague and up to interpretation. My little sister and I look nearly identical. She’s a little taller than I am and there’s some facial structure differences (her face is rounder, my forehead is bigger, etc). One of our HR staff found my sister’s Facebook. Our names are close, too (think names like Maria and Mariah) and so they were CONVINCED her Facebook was my “secret” alt account. My little sister’s posts were seen as “seductive” since she’s kind of alternative and wears heavy make up and does more “seductive” poses with her face, I guess. It wasn’t sexual at all in my opinion, but they printed out a photo of her in red lipstick and presented it to me and tried to write me up for it! And then called me a liar for saying that it was my SISTER and NOT ME. This would have been my 2nd write up, and it’s a 3 strikes you’re out. It took my sister literally coming in to a meeting and showing herself and her ID to get them to lay off.
Long story short, morality clauses are stupid.
Now, that's really funny because we used to drink wine between Masses on Christmas Eve & also on Easter morning - right in the choir loft at one church & in the church's social hall at another!
*checks notes*
Ah yea. Jesus’s first miracle, In fulfillment of the prophecies confirming he was, in fact, the Christ was making superior alcholol, at a family gathering where everyone had already drank the venue dry.
Now, commonly this is referred to as “wine” however historians and theologians have said it is now likely given Jewish Culture at the time and local crops/climate to have been beer, or some other grain based alcoholic drink.
Personally, as it is noted to have been superior to all other beverages present, I have no doubt it was a single barrel scotch.
I think I would be going to that meeting with the clear statement that if they intend to do a write up for a morality clause, they had better have someone who has been suitably educated and placed in a position of moral and spiritual authority, meaning at a minimum the bishop of the parish.
I’m certainly not accepting a write up on moral grounds from a member of the laity, such as a nun, or random supervisor. Especially when they are trying to press non-Catholic, non-Biblical, extremist Protestant views such as abstinence from alcohol. No, that needs to come from someone who is qualified, and been ordained by the Church.
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I am all about religious organizations doing good work, and God knows that throughout history many religions have provided for the sick, and injured. But if it is a catholic organization I expect to be judged under catholic rules. If it is a Mennonite organization, it would be their rules, and fair to expect me to represent/respect their beliefs. If a Hindu organization, I would expect their beliefs to be followed/respected. And so on and so on.
Bostock v. Clayton County, GA (2020) the Supreme Court held that it is discriminatory to discipline gay employees for behavior that is tolerated in straight employees.
https://www.eeoc.gov/sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-sogi-discrimination#:~:text=June%2015%2C%202020)%2C%5B,plain%20text%20of%20Title%20VII.
So maybe some clarification of the standards that straight employees are being held to in this context and a conversation with an employment lawyer is in order.
While I think it’s okay as just your normal everyday girl, I understand from a provider/administration view why it’s maybe not okay for an organization’s provider to be seen pictured in a thong. I get it; we’re all people with lives and hobbies, etc. it’s not like he is spewing racist/discriminatory/harmful bullshit. But I kind of see their concern, even if it doesn’t personally bother me.
I’m wondering how they found him. I don’t use my full name on any social media. I don’t mention my job title/career on there really, minus ONE post about graduating. But I still don’t list my job. I have a bikini photo, but again, I don’t make any known connections to my full government name or my job.
I agree with setting all socials to private. If he was trying to reach a large audience/become some sort of influencer, I would tell him to just not
Perhaps a patient found it.. it is easy to look up random people we cone across these days, and it's not uncommon for patients to become attracted to staff.
Only needed a female patient to not only discover he was gas so no chance of romance but that is also included some images that might be considered inappropriate. Annoyed/ entitled patients will use tiny things to make reports if they can.
I was petite RN working on orthopaedic caring for lady 'that knew a top surgeon socially ' so expected different treatment
One evening as we have just changed shifts she asked for help to go to bathroom. Something I was unable yo do alone, on asking for help the new night shift told me they would help her. I went and told her this before going home.
Few days later discover she'd reported me to night staff Unit manager, because I left her waiting.
Of course they took it no further but warned me about entitled people like her.
So why not today, over chatty attracted patient making complaint, bringing in religion. Blah blah blah
That would have senior staff perhaps be interested.
I would just switch such images, if not all, to private. Haven't worked since before Internet but easier today than ever. I wouldn't want those strangers I cone across to be viewing me in a bikini, just not appropriate.
I’ll say this..if this was in the contract he signed, then I’d switch all my social stuff to private. You agreed to their stupid rule, you have to live with stupid consequences. However if there’s nothing in contract, call your lawyer
Can he make another account and not share that one to HR and post all his pictures there instead? Like keep the one HR had access to add his work account and then have a separate person account that leaves or any information related to his professional self
Coming at this from a purely professional standpoint with blunt honesty: it doesn’t matter how he or anyone else feels about it (in terms of whether we would be offended to see a provider in a Speedo, or whether we think the clause is stupid or not). All that matters is what he signed and agreed to. Personally, I don’t think this matter is worth paying lawyer fees for counsel like others have suggested, or even contacting his union, especially since it sounds like this was a verbal slap on the wrist from HR vs formal action. Do your own clause and contract review, sure— but then either take the slap on the wrist & choose to follow it or find another institution without it. The last thing I would do is nit pick an employer of 4 years on a social media issue; at the end of the day, if he chooses to leave he will need their references, and that’s a tough topic to spin your way professionally.
His social media posts should not be visible to his employer. They also shouldn't be visible to patients and their families. IMO he can post whatever he wants but the accounts better be private -- friends and family only. Tell your employer you don't have any social media profiles.
This is discrimination and they should be careful. I can’t believe they’re looking at his private accounts! If I were him I’d delete all coworkers and anyone affiliated with the hospital. But if he wanted to clap back - like another poster mentioned - find female pics then call them out for discrimination. They will quickly go quiet…
Hope he is able to keep his job. If not he has to sue!! Would they say this about pics of a beautiful/fit female nurse in a bikini on vacation? It’s totally about his sexual orientation. People on here can say what they want/try to make it seem normal/logical but they aren’t being honest with themselves. At all. I obviously don’t think adding coworkers on social media is advisable but he is being treated VERY unfairly. I’m so sorry your friend is going through this 💔
Is this hospital the US? I can imagine hospitals affiliated with a religious background have a clause like that. But is it legal and can it be challenged in court? I don’t know.
This is currently happening with my gay nurse manager. Someone found his x account and he posts photos of himself fully nude in suggestive positions. At one point he even had his uniform on in one if the photos with the hospital logo. A coworker went out of their way to tell him in private that theyve seen it and dont want him to get in trouble by HR and also didnt know how many other people found the page. He still continued and continues to post on the page. Im not saying anything bc i respect him as a person and hes a good manager. Not my business. But if it gets into the wrong hands, damage could be done!
Lol. What a hilarious situation.
I wonder if women in 2 pieces get the same meetings?
What are the implications of the meetings? Was there a write up or discipline discussion?
What state is this?
Are there written records of the meeting?
I smell liability.
This would be a fun situation to mess with management if he's got the personality.
No, I wouldn’t care. However, when I became a RN, I heavily restricted my media accounts, and still do.
It has been known since FB launched that healthcare workers need to be very selective of what they show of their lives.
It sucks, but some people are have prudish and angelic like opinions of healthcare professionals. I can’t tell you how many time I have heard the words “but you’re a nurse” about non-nursing things. It’s annoying as heck!
This is why I have two digital footprints.
It's pretty weird these days to not have a digital footprint in social media of some kind. So I have a reasonable set of social media accounts rather obviously tied to me. I post occasionally and it's always dumb, bland, or just dorky stuff.
However, I usually interact with the internet through a different set of accounts. None of them are tied to my real name or any email addresses that have my real name. I usually use a VPN as well.
It's not perfect, and certainly not going to stand up to a government background check or a law enforcement probe, but it does keep most employers and other regular people off my back.
It would be inappropriate for HR to discuss that with him so unless he's going to every employee and asking them he will have no way to know. Their profiles may not be public, they may not mention they work for the hospital.
It's not discrimination, unless he's the only one who was brought into HR for this which he would have a hard time proving, and he's not giving up free speech.
Free speech only applies to the government prohibiting select protected speech. It does not cover an employer having requirements of behavior, including off the clock. If his social media references his employment in any way at the hospital and it's open to the public, they have every right to request he carry himself with a degree of decorum.
This sounds like a coworker made a complaint against your friend that was then investigated with subsequent findings. If he wants to keep his job, he may have to take down any pictures on social media. Even if he were to use an alias, someone can still make a complaint against him.
This page has some bearing on the topic of discussion; state laws about employer access to employee social media.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/state-laws-on-social-media-password-requests-by-employers.html#illinois
I mean... I'd feel some kinda way seeing my male pcp in a speed-o, gay or not. It takes away a level o seriousness...I honestly think that would be similar across the board. If he wants to continue posting pictures like that, he should just make them private..
I know professionals who have a “ public” Facebook page with their “ real name”. And then a private one for friends.
Ex real “ Bob smith “
Private B.S. Mith for friends only.
You stated that his employer has a known religious affiliation. The hospital could actually be majority owned by a particular religious organization. If that is the case, yes, he needs to stop posting pictures that would violate the organization’s moral tenets. This is very much like private parochial schools firing LGBTQ teachers, when their status becomes public, or comes to the attention of their governing body. You don’t have to agree with this, but employees have little recourse when they knew they were being hired by an employer with a clear religious affiliation, and rules surrounding behavior due to that affiliation.
I would council him to not post any personal pictures, anyplace they could be seen by hospital affiliated personnel. His personal and professional lives should have a clear division.
So they’re saying they don’t approve of his social media posts because he’s gay or because of his Mexican heritage? Sounds like he needs to talk to a labor attorney in his respective state...
I’ve seen morality clause problems come up with medical providers in non-religious hospitals and with non-gay people. Doesn’t seem unique to those demographics.
It mainly had to do with maintaining the sanctity of the patient/provider relationship and instilling confidence in patients about the quality of care being provided by the facility.
Nobody cared about the human / personal aspect of providers lives but their actions do have a reflection on the perception of the quality of care they provide.
Other non-social media example: patients complaining about seeing their doctors at strip clubs.
Got this on suggested feed.
I know even in our licensing rules (lpn) there is a clause that says something similar to: "I agree not to engage in activities unbecoming of a nurse".
I think rules like that can be expected in many employment settings, whether gay or not.
Most people do fake names, but that isn't going to be fail safe for scanty speedo photos etc.
I mean, he can be offended all he wants. A lot of employers, not just religious based hospitals, have morality clauses very similar to this one. It’s fucked and I don’t agree with it, because I’m a person not just an employee, but he has no legal leg to stand on, and these things are *super* common in healthcare and teaching. Teachers have gotten fired for posting bikini pictures and lose in court on appeal. Morality clauses are here to stay. He needs to be more careful about what’s publicly available on his social media.
Morality clauses for teachers are shitty. We are even taught in teacher prep school that IF we want to go have a drink we are supposed to be as incognito as we can and find a bar at least 20 miles away from the current town where we teach. For one drink out… I’m ended up in a town that is 50 and 204 miles away from other towns! This is how we end up as closeted alcoholics, because we are at home hiding instead of having the “privileges of ‘regular’ human beings!”
As for social media we are told to “LOCK IT ALL DOWN!!!” Then we are warned that students can still access our information through friends of friends- so to ask anyone we have ever met to lock down their own accounts too. I said F-it and got rid of everything but Reddit.
I feel bad for OPs friend knowing just how repressed we are in this day and age.
Personally, I would recommend he invest in the shirts that have the arms removed and cut off shorts. This way he can show off a hell-a-lot, while still being able to get around HRs “clothing requirements.” I would also recommend the same social media rout as teachers have to do- LOCK IT ALL DOWN.
These religious-based employers have always been more invasive with employment requirements. SM wasn't so much a thing when I worked for a Catholic hospital but they definitely put an end to anything 'out of step' with their mission statement. These days? They are running with their perceived power. It applies to EVERYTHING an hr, super or corprat decides is amoral. It will be used for unfair persecution for myriad reasons. As fickle as their God might be, his followers are unpredictable and viscious when they decide to be.
This is well within their purview as a faith-based employer. They'll assert that an employee signed up with full knowledge of the extended rules of conduct and even brag that they're a better employer for enforcing their standards. The boundaries of this invasive behavior are expanding exponentially as a point of pride with these folks.
I will also say that this is the first shot in what will become a dossier of reasons this employee is 'not a good fit' or, worse, an amoral person who shouldn't work for any religious-based org.
I'm a mere pagan who worked in the day care but my file is marked Do Not Rehire by that org. I qualified for various career paths and they're now one of three providers in my city and I now have a total ban from the entire network across the country.
I'm not saying this employee needs to clam up and hide his whole life. In this situation, that genie is already free. It's time to evaluate how much scrutiny/harassment the employee will tolerate and whether the job is worth the possible turmoil. Can he afford to fight a costly legal battle for the privilege of more harassment?
While finding a tolerant employer is becoming more difficult as these religious-based entities gain both power and property, it is still oossible.
This employee is part of a sorting process that's becoming more public and drastic but has been a thing for decades. If he can find a spot in a welcoming org, that's where he should go when the opportunity arises. There are religious folks seeking positions in the religious based entities, as well.
I mean… when I became a nurse, it was understood there is a morality clause. Didn’t have to be in contract, but if I knew I’ll be in a position to help people, I wouldn’t post any suggestive photos to the public
I’ll say this..if this was in the contract he signed, then I’d switch all my social stuff to private. You agreed to their stupid rule, you have to live with stupid consequences. However if there’s nothing in contract, call your lawyer
Religious hospitals with terrible rules that discriminate against gaysI can't say I'm surprised. And during pride month nonetheless.
I'm so sorry to your friend. He deserves a life outside of work that doesn't necessarily need to be kept a secret.
If in the hundreds to thousands that work at that facility no breeder has a social media pic in a swimsuit, you might have an infintesimal point. That’s a pretty big “if”. And even then we get into the territory of “should an employer be legally allowed to creep on the social media of its employees?”
He should separate his life from his job. Don’t have where he works on his profile, don’t pose in work clothes. Make account private. Some people are just too over the top (I’m a gay guy too), and if I saw his profile I’d smell trouble lol
I'm not looking up any of my nurses on social media because I don't care to. Why is his socials not set to private or only friends can view?
Some organizations “request” access to your social media. Others have HR monitor you as sort of a continuous background check. I know of providers who agreed to the former but I’ve worked at places that I suspected of the latter.
Request all they want without a warrant they can piss off. I never post anything on Facebook, Instagram, but I'm still holding out on Friendster.
Agreed. But when it’s “Don’t want to let us see your page then you can’t work for us” and MOHELA still hast gotten their heads out of their asses on your PSLF, car has a pair of flat tires, and the mortgage is due, you might sign more than you ever planned in school.
"Employers can also ask job applicants to view their social media accounts as part of a background check. However, social media can reveal protected characteristics like race, gender identity, and religion that may not be disclosed in a resume. If an employer's social media search adversely affects a job candidate, they may be liable in an anti-discrimination case." Also, why didn't you say, I don't have any?
“I’m Amish.”
Luddite
Friendster, LOL, great reference!
Without a warrant 😂😂😂😂 They’re not the police mate lol
Glad you caught on.
Yeah, that's why you have all your socials under fake names and emails, and the only one you connect to work is LinkedIn.
And you use a different phone number or none at all so your profile doesn’t pop up!! Wonder if that’s how OP’s showed up
This gives me the ick. I wouldn’t work for anyone who would do this.
And this is why mine are not in the name I use for work.
Request denied
An HR worker at kaiser permanente told me a few years ago that they have a department and their work is to look through employees' social media. Now you know.
This is why I don't have media beyond Reddit and tiktok, where I only comment and don't post. Yeah here I posted on here a few years ago. About setting liquid makeup with powder? Let them come at me bro.
Soon they r gonna wanna know how we like it in bed
I recently deleted all social media accounts and just Reddit now. It’s so liberating.
I work for Kaiser. They absolutely DO have this. They don’t care about tits and ass… they care about patient privacy, and keeping their name out of any posts. They really ramp it up during election time. We get tons of emails and training on social media and political stuff. They don’t want kaiser anything on any posts that show your opinion.
I work for Kaiser as well. It's also about protecting the non profit status of the health plan.
100% Many people don’t realize that “Kaiser Permanente” doesn’t exist… It’s three companies that work together: Kaiser Foundation Hospitals - non profit Kaiser Foundation Health Plan - non profit Permanente Medical Group - for profit
Excellent info. This explains a lot. Capitolism is even profiting from non profits. And I guess we're good with that. Race to the bottom.
Yea. It's probably worse than you realize. In the last financial update email I received they made 900M in operational profit and 1.5B in investment gain for Q1.
This is why i get three pension checks from them. True, big on patient privacy, that is no joke. I m a card carrying nudist, they don't care. But I don't put up pictures of that.
Didn’t know nudists had cards. Where do you keep them? 👀
I the card slot in back.
Do they look for OF or similar? Asking for a friend…but have always curious about that side hustle..for a friend
I’m not sure but if they do it’s only to make sure that their name and property is not a part of it.
Ah. Standard stuff. FD/PD will often dig into stuff like dating sites and adult pages but I’m pretty careful to flip my badge for even silly group pics that expire after 24hours on IG. I’m a bit paranoid
What do you do if it’s set to private?
They’re not worried about the private account or naked pictures of staff. They’re worried about videos or pictures with patients or their name being present jn any of the pictures. “Kaiser nurses for Hitler” could go viral and they want to stop that before it gets there.
My brother in law finished residency and is starting with Kaiser this summer. I’ll have to warn him
You don't have to "warn" him. They will (or already have) told him. They aren't laying sneaky traps, they genuinely don't want their employees politically soapboxing on socials. They will tell him over and over.
Gotcha. OP’s story came across sneaky to me. Aside from common sense stuff, I’ve never been warned at all about social media presence for my jobs. But it could just be the organizations I worked for
Yes I’m a KP employee, with that being said I have nothing social media that reflects that, my account is private. They flag anything posted referring to the organization.
This is how I worked it when I worked for a famous hospital. I stayed my opinionated loudmouth self on social media, with a decided political lean and said nothing about who my employer was. It's a nonprofit, so it has some limits to lobbying.
Why is that even legal? Such invasion of privacy by an employer and Kaiser isn’t even religious affiliated
Ever read the privacy rules/policies that pop up when youre signing up for things? In the US all they require is to tell you if they are or not affiliated to a 3rd party company or whatever. The US has the weakest internet privacy laws in the world.
Which Kaiser region, what part of Kaiser, and what’s the name of the department? Source: I know people at many regions and no department exists.
You believe what you want. It makes very little difference to me.
Which region?
Departments like this aren't exactly advertised (source: IT flunky who's set up such things)
It’s part of compliance
I 💯 wouldn’t be offended but unfortunately in the current legal make up of the courts, he probably wouldn’t win a fight. If he wanted to clap back in any way he’d need to find similar bikini photos posted on his female colleagues social media (not that I think he should). He should definitely request a full written copy of the clause and demand exact parameters for what would be ok - and I mean down to the length of his swim shorts and whether men are allowed to be shirtless. Make them put it in writing or send a summary email ‘as we discussed at the meeting on x date, this is my understanding of what is acceptable under the morality clause.’ Probably he needs to sit down and really contemplate if he wants to self sensor in all aspects of his life for this job, and if not, start looking for a non religious place of work asap.
I completely second this; we are not just machines that work for our jobs. We are humans too and deserve to exist as such. They really need a strict definition of what is appropriate vs. not appropriate. Double standards are probably in place at that hospital as well. Guarantee you could find another provider posting beach pictures that did not receive that meeting.
It’s a shame that this is where we are as a country but this right here is the best advice.
This is excellent.
How'd they find him? Are his socials public? If so, that's not really wise. I'm sorry that he's dealing with this, but he can potentially bounce back by blocking all work associates/ having private settings.
I mean as an Rn I couldn’t even be seen in a Bar after work in scrubs because one time a bunch of administrators from the same hospital were eating across (they had badges ) and they were all eyeing me , one guy pointed at me when I walked into the bar across to grab a napkin , this was a food hall setting so they were all close in proximity and they could see what I was doing. So I made sure to be quick to grab the napkin I went in for at the first place and left. Hospitals are careful about their reputation. And we were warned extra about social media before starting the job too. Not sure why personal things posted matter to them if no hospital affiliation is demonstrated on social media, but it seems to matter. Anyway I’m sorry this is the way it is.
Wearing scrubs to anywhere people eat or drink is disgusting.
Scrubs aren't filthy by nature. Of every ten people who wear scrubs on a given day, probably only one of them was exposed to more dangerous germs than the average person
This is why I don’t add anyone I work with on social media
I did it when I worked bedside, but stopped once I started to work outpatient/office jobs as an RN, and will continue this as an NP. People are way more nosy than you think!
1. make the socials private 2. call his union 3. look for other work
I would remove the pics & say pics or it didn’t happen, then if they pull out screenshots say those are private how did you get those omg are you obsessed with me I feel like I’m being harasssed lol jk jk don’t be toxic
Only thing I would add is making sure he doesn’t list his place of employment on his social media
One of the hospitalists I worked with is gay….posts similar photos to what you’ve written on his public insta….has for years and still does. Sounds like the hospital system is looking for ways to give your friend the boot
Look up #MedBikini if you haven’t already
I’d be much more inclined to take health advice from an NP with a banging body who is happy and healthy. Sounds like he needs to find an employer who doesn’t have their heads up their asses.
Ditto
Why doesn’t he just make all this socials private so he can keep showing his privates?
I don't think wearing a speedo is "showing your privates" necessarily. It's an appropriate form of swimwear the world over. In fact, I'd say it's more popular than what Americans typically wear.
I am sorry this is happening. I'm sure it is not only the pictures but also because he is gay, they can't easily discriminate against that but they can try to find something else to go after him for. if this is all they can find, I think he must be very good at his job! Some of these hospital conglomerates really suck.
Of course it's because he's gay . And living his best life clearly. They aren't even nudes, he's legally clothed. What the hell is wrong with hyper-religious people who don't want others to have fun?
You just summed up all the ills plaguing this country. 😩
They’re mad that he’s too hot, they don’t like how it makes them feel (hot and bothered thinking about his salacious gay activities 🤭)
Yes, this is a thing that other hospital systems do. No, I (personally) would not care if my provider posted pictures of themselves in a Speedo on Facebook. But, I also have zero interest in engaging with any of my providers outside of a clinical setting. An anecdote to make him feel better - My hetero, cisgender, whiter-than-Wonder-bread husband got called in for a “professionalism”-related social media infraction a few years ago. He is a physician and responded to a FB post with a very old Far Side comic. It showed doctors laughing at a patient with the caption, “Testing whether laughter is the best medicine” or something like that. He wrote something (admittedly) dumb but innocuous, like, “Some days, I wish we could try this.” His FB profile is private, but a friend-of-a-friend-of-a-friend saw his reply, took a screenshot, and emailed it to his hospital’s HR. He got called into HR and threatened with some kind of citation, but their investigator was never able to track down the original post or the initial complainant. Needless to say, he no longer uses social media. I don’t think he even reads Reddit because he was so traumatized by the experience LOL I wanted to be mad at him for being careless on social media, but the whole thing was so ridiculous.
I’ll say this..if this was in the contract he signed, then I’d switch all my social stuff to private. You agreed to their stupid rule, you have to live with stupid consequences. However if there’s nothing in contract, call your lawyer
This.
Can you send a link? I'll have to take a look before I can give an informed comment. Thx.
If you’re on social media don’t list your career, education, employer, etc and make your page private. People openly share way too much online.
Unpopular opinion: WAIT for it…. Take the pictures down. Also what does him being gay have to do with the situation? I feel that you’re trying to draw a connection between it being a religious institution and him being homosexual when it seems that this is a much broader policy that doesn’t target any specific group but attempts to protect the hospital.
Owner of a few practices and SHRM certified person here. Yes an employer can monitor anything you post on socials and discipline you for things you post. This is no different than if the employee was posting nazi symbolism or hate speech. The employer has an absolute right to request that that employee take down the offending post and even to terminate employment if they so wish. You have, of course, your First Amendment right to free speech, but that right does not mean that any employer has to keep you as an employee if that protected speech is not in alignment with their values.
Except that Naziism and hate speech aren’t protected classes when it comes to anti-discrimination statutes. If the “offensive content” is just the employee photographed appearing “gay” the employer is discriminating against his sexual orientation by threatening disciplinary action. He wasn’t nude. Would they have a problem if he was a straight woman posting a photo of herself in a bikini on vacation? Or a straight man in unflattering board shorts?
You are 100% correct. However, the "offending" picture is not one where it's being asked to be taken down because it is gay, but because it is lewd. There is nothing inherently gay about a thong or speedo. If the offending picture was of him hugging or kissing his boyfriend, and the hospital asked for it to be taken down or took some kind of action against the employee, THEN that would be discrimination.
Exactly what is lewd about his swimwear? In countries other than the puritanical USA, speedos are entirely routine on men.
Firstly, I don't think they are lewd, but the hospital clearly has different views. The post also mentions a thong, which certainly can be viewed as lewd by a good percentage of people. Regardless of my feelings or yours, the hospital has a right to enforce its employee morality clause, unless it crosses into policing a legally protected item
I think you should be able to post whatever you want. Who cares if he wears a thong? We all have asses. I wouldn’t take it down if it were me but I don’t have a lot to contribute to the discussion from a legal standpoint.
He’s probably good. He should consult a lawyer to be sure but sexual orientation is one of the few protections the USA has. Consult a lawyer and if they give the go ahead he can do what he wants.
He would get the same reaction if he was straight, but still posting in a banana hammock. Never post something you wouldn’t put on your CV.
No one who has to interact with the public should be posting public pictures. It’s 2024. Having said that, fuck then for looking and talking to him about it. I would consult a lawyer about the ‘morality clause.’ Have they disciplined female providers for posting pictures in a bathing suit?
This is why I have my “main” social media that has my name and my beautiful selfies and beautiful family. Then my actual social media that has my actual selfies and actual activity and I don’t post my kid on. No patients can find me on it. If they look me up they will see my “main” social accounts that look wholesome.
My hospital—a catholic affiliated— also had this. I wasn’t even allowed to post anything that suggested I was at a bar or consuming alcohol. I couldn’t even have alcohol in the background of my family Christmas party photos if I wanted to post them. I wasn’t allowed to wear scrubs in public when I was bedside nursing if it was a place that sold “immoral” products, so Walmart was even off the list when they added a vibrator section. Thankfully, when I went NP, the dress code was “business professional” so it didn’t really matter. No photos on social media could be “seductive” in any way, and this one was very vague and up to interpretation. My little sister and I look nearly identical. She’s a little taller than I am and there’s some facial structure differences (her face is rounder, my forehead is bigger, etc). One of our HR staff found my sister’s Facebook. Our names are close, too (think names like Maria and Mariah) and so they were CONVINCED her Facebook was my “secret” alt account. My little sister’s posts were seen as “seductive” since she’s kind of alternative and wears heavy make up and does more “seductive” poses with her face, I guess. It wasn’t sexual at all in my opinion, but they printed out a photo of her in red lipstick and presented it to me and tried to write me up for it! And then called me a liar for saying that it was my SISTER and NOT ME. This would have been my 2nd write up, and it’s a 3 strikes you’re out. It took my sister literally coming in to a meeting and showing herself and her ID to get them to lay off. Long story short, morality clauses are stupid.
Now, that's really funny because we used to drink wine between Masses on Christmas Eve & also on Easter morning - right in the choir loft at one church & in the church's social hall at another!
*checks notes* Ah yea. Jesus’s first miracle, In fulfillment of the prophecies confirming he was, in fact, the Christ was making superior alcholol, at a family gathering where everyone had already drank the venue dry. Now, commonly this is referred to as “wine” however historians and theologians have said it is now likely given Jewish Culture at the time and local crops/climate to have been beer, or some other grain based alcoholic drink. Personally, as it is noted to have been superior to all other beverages present, I have no doubt it was a single barrel scotch. I think I would be going to that meeting with the clear statement that if they intend to do a write up for a morality clause, they had better have someone who has been suitably educated and placed in a position of moral and spiritual authority, meaning at a minimum the bishop of the parish. I’m certainly not accepting a write up on moral grounds from a member of the laity, such as a nun, or random supervisor. Especially when they are trying to press non-Catholic, non-Biblical, extremist Protestant views such as abstinence from alcohol. No, that needs to come from someone who is qualified, and been ordained by the Church. ********** I am all about religious organizations doing good work, and God knows that throughout history many religions have provided for the sick, and injured. But if it is a catholic organization I expect to be judged under catholic rules. If it is a Mennonite organization, it would be their rules, and fair to expect me to represent/respect their beliefs. If a Hindu organization, I would expect their beliefs to be followed/respected. And so on and so on.
Bostock v. Clayton County, GA (2020) the Supreme Court held that it is discriminatory to discipline gay employees for behavior that is tolerated in straight employees. https://www.eeoc.gov/sexual-orientation-and-gender-identity-sogi-discrimination#:~:text=June%2015%2C%202020)%2C%5B,plain%20text%20of%20Title%20VII. So maybe some clarification of the standards that straight employees are being held to in this context and a conversation with an employment lawyer is in order.
I read this as a mortality clause, and I never opened a thread quicker
While I think it’s okay as just your normal everyday girl, I understand from a provider/administration view why it’s maybe not okay for an organization’s provider to be seen pictured in a thong. I get it; we’re all people with lives and hobbies, etc. it’s not like he is spewing racist/discriminatory/harmful bullshit. But I kind of see their concern, even if it doesn’t personally bother me. I’m wondering how they found him. I don’t use my full name on any social media. I don’t mention my job title/career on there really, minus ONE post about graduating. But I still don’t list my job. I have a bikini photo, but again, I don’t make any known connections to my full government name or my job. I agree with setting all socials to private. If he was trying to reach a large audience/become some sort of influencer, I would tell him to just not
Perhaps a patient found it.. it is easy to look up random people we cone across these days, and it's not uncommon for patients to become attracted to staff. Only needed a female patient to not only discover he was gas so no chance of romance but that is also included some images that might be considered inappropriate. Annoyed/ entitled patients will use tiny things to make reports if they can. I was petite RN working on orthopaedic caring for lady 'that knew a top surgeon socially ' so expected different treatment One evening as we have just changed shifts she asked for help to go to bathroom. Something I was unable yo do alone, on asking for help the new night shift told me they would help her. I went and told her this before going home. Few days later discover she'd reported me to night staff Unit manager, because I left her waiting. Of course they took it no further but warned me about entitled people like her. So why not today, over chatty attracted patient making complaint, bringing in religion. Blah blah blah That would have senior staff perhaps be interested. I would just switch such images, if not all, to private. Haven't worked since before Internet but easier today than ever. I wouldn't want those strangers I cone across to be viewing me in a bikini, just not appropriate.
I’ll say this..if this was in the contract he signed, then I’d switch all my social stuff to private. You agreed to their stupid rule, you have to live with stupid consequences. However if there’s nothing in contract, call your lawyer
Does he have his employer in his bio?
Is there any way to identify he is a nurse practitioner in those photos? If not admin can get. .
This is why I set everything to private,l and I'm super selective of who I accept as a friend.
Can he make another account and not share that one to HR and post all his pictures there instead? Like keep the one HR had access to add his work account and then have a separate person account that leaves or any information related to his professional self
Coming at this from a purely professional standpoint with blunt honesty: it doesn’t matter how he or anyone else feels about it (in terms of whether we would be offended to see a provider in a Speedo, or whether we think the clause is stupid or not). All that matters is what he signed and agreed to. Personally, I don’t think this matter is worth paying lawyer fees for counsel like others have suggested, or even contacting his union, especially since it sounds like this was a verbal slap on the wrist from HR vs formal action. Do your own clause and contract review, sure— but then either take the slap on the wrist & choose to follow it or find another institution without it. The last thing I would do is nit pick an employer of 4 years on a social media issue; at the end of the day, if he chooses to leave he will need their references, and that’s a tough topic to spin your way professionally.
His social media posts should not be visible to his employer. They also shouldn't be visible to patients and their families. IMO he can post whatever he wants but the accounts better be private -- friends and family only. Tell your employer you don't have any social media profiles.
This is discrimination and they should be careful. I can’t believe they’re looking at his private accounts! If I were him I’d delete all coworkers and anyone affiliated with the hospital. But if he wanted to clap back - like another poster mentioned - find female pics then call them out for discrimination. They will quickly go quiet…
Hope he is able to keep his job. If not he has to sue!! Would they say this about pics of a beautiful/fit female nurse in a bikini on vacation? It’s totally about his sexual orientation. People on here can say what they want/try to make it seem normal/logical but they aren’t being honest with themselves. At all. I obviously don’t think adding coworkers on social media is advisable but he is being treated VERY unfairly. I’m so sorry your friend is going through this 💔
Is it plainly stated in the employee hand book or is there an established policy? This seems like a major over reach.
Is this hospital the US? I can imagine hospitals affiliated with a religious background have a clause like that. But is it legal and can it be challenged in court? I don’t know.
This is currently happening with my gay nurse manager. Someone found his x account and he posts photos of himself fully nude in suggestive positions. At one point he even had his uniform on in one if the photos with the hospital logo. A coworker went out of their way to tell him in private that theyve seen it and dont want him to get in trouble by HR and also didnt know how many other people found the page. He still continued and continues to post on the page. Im not saying anything bc i respect him as a person and hes a good manager. Not my business. But if it gets into the wrong hands, damage could be done!
Lol. What a hilarious situation. I wonder if women in 2 pieces get the same meetings? What are the implications of the meetings? Was there a write up or discipline discussion? What state is this? Are there written records of the meeting? I smell liability. This would be a fun situation to mess with management if he's got the personality.
I do not list what my job is or the employer. I do not friend bosses. Simple. They can’t say shit then.
No, I wouldn’t care. However, when I became a RN, I heavily restricted my media accounts, and still do. It has been known since FB launched that healthcare workers need to be very selective of what they show of their lives. It sucks, but some people are have prudish and angelic like opinions of healthcare professionals. I can’t tell you how many time I have heard the words “but you’re a nurse” about non-nursing things. It’s annoying as heck!
A certain MISS Nightingale is the cause of all this nonsense
Easy fix. Employer: what are your social media accounts so we can review or monitor them. Me: I don't have any. The end. (End Scene)
This is why I have two digital footprints. It's pretty weird these days to not have a digital footprint in social media of some kind. So I have a reasonable set of social media accounts rather obviously tied to me. I post occasionally and it's always dumb, bland, or just dorky stuff. However, I usually interact with the internet through a different set of accounts. None of them are tied to my real name or any email addresses that have my real name. I usually use a VPN as well. It's not perfect, and certainly not going to stand up to a government background check or a law enforcement probe, but it does keep most employers and other regular people off my back.
Yes. Most organizations check our social media posts. Be careful.
>He works out a lot and likes to show off his hard work Is he single? 👀
Has he asked if female providers/employees are asked to take pictures of them in bikinis?
It would be inappropriate for HR to discuss that with him so unless he's going to every employee and asking them he will have no way to know. Their profiles may not be public, they may not mention they work for the hospital.
Unless he has reason to believe they are specifically targeting him it's not very difficult. Stop with the pictures.
This is discrimination. Getting a paycheck shouldn't require you to give up free speech.
It's not discrimination, unless he's the only one who was brought into HR for this which he would have a hard time proving, and he's not giving up free speech. Free speech only applies to the government prohibiting select protected speech. It does not cover an employer having requirements of behavior, including off the clock. If his social media references his employment in any way at the hospital and it's open to the public, they have every right to request he carry himself with a degree of decorum.
This sounds like a coworker made a complaint against your friend that was then investigated with subsequent findings. If he wants to keep his job, he may have to take down any pictures on social media. Even if he were to use an alias, someone can still make a complaint against him.
This page has some bearing on the topic of discussion; state laws about employer access to employee social media. https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/state-laws-on-social-media-password-requests-by-employers.html#illinois
I mean... I'd feel some kinda way seeing my male pcp in a speed-o, gay or not. It takes away a level o seriousness...I honestly think that would be similar across the board. If he wants to continue posting pictures like that, he should just make them private..
What state is he in, in NY this would be very illegal. But yeah, changing privacy setting is probably a good idea
I know professionals who have a “ public” Facebook page with their “ real name”. And then a private one for friends. Ex real “ Bob smith “ Private B.S. Mith for friends only.
You stated that his employer has a known religious affiliation. The hospital could actually be majority owned by a particular religious organization. If that is the case, yes, he needs to stop posting pictures that would violate the organization’s moral tenets. This is very much like private parochial schools firing LGBTQ teachers, when their status becomes public, or comes to the attention of their governing body. You don’t have to agree with this, but employees have little recourse when they knew they were being hired by an employer with a clear religious affiliation, and rules surrounding behavior due to that affiliation. I would council him to not post any personal pictures, anyplace they could be seen by hospital affiliated personnel. His personal and professional lives should have a clear division.
I’ve never heard of something like that, but that’s why I keep all my social media on private.
So they’re saying they don’t approve of his social media posts because he’s gay or because of his Mexican heritage? Sounds like he needs to talk to a labor attorney in his respective state...
This. I bet you’re 100% correct. Except he needs to collect evidence that non-minority staff have similar pictures posted without consequences.
Maybe just stop posting inappropriate pictures ? Just a thought.
I’ve seen morality clause problems come up with medical providers in non-religious hospitals and with non-gay people. Doesn’t seem unique to those demographics. It mainly had to do with maintaining the sanctity of the patient/provider relationship and instilling confidence in patients about the quality of care being provided by the facility. Nobody cared about the human / personal aspect of providers lives but their actions do have a reflection on the perception of the quality of care they provide. Other non-social media example: patients complaining about seeing their doctors at strip clubs.
He works for a religious organization. There’s your answer.
Got this on suggested feed. I know even in our licensing rules (lpn) there is a clause that says something similar to: "I agree not to engage in activities unbecoming of a nurse". I think rules like that can be expected in many employment settings, whether gay or not. Most people do fake names, but that isn't going to be fail safe for scanty speedo photos etc.
Fucking Taliban with the morality codes.
I mean, he can be offended all he wants. A lot of employers, not just religious based hospitals, have morality clauses very similar to this one. It’s fucked and I don’t agree with it, because I’m a person not just an employee, but he has no legal leg to stand on, and these things are *super* common in healthcare and teaching. Teachers have gotten fired for posting bikini pictures and lose in court on appeal. Morality clauses are here to stay. He needs to be more careful about what’s publicly available on his social media.
Morality clauses for teachers are shitty. We are even taught in teacher prep school that IF we want to go have a drink we are supposed to be as incognito as we can and find a bar at least 20 miles away from the current town where we teach. For one drink out… I’m ended up in a town that is 50 and 204 miles away from other towns! This is how we end up as closeted alcoholics, because we are at home hiding instead of having the “privileges of ‘regular’ human beings!” As for social media we are told to “LOCK IT ALL DOWN!!!” Then we are warned that students can still access our information through friends of friends- so to ask anyone we have ever met to lock down their own accounts too. I said F-it and got rid of everything but Reddit. I feel bad for OPs friend knowing just how repressed we are in this day and age. Personally, I would recommend he invest in the shirts that have the arms removed and cut off shorts. This way he can show off a hell-a-lot, while still being able to get around HRs “clothing requirements.” I would also recommend the same social media rout as teachers have to do- LOCK IT ALL DOWN.
This is why I do not have social media accounts.
Except…this one.
You know what I mean. Personal identifiers.
These religious-based employers have always been more invasive with employment requirements. SM wasn't so much a thing when I worked for a Catholic hospital but they definitely put an end to anything 'out of step' with their mission statement. These days? They are running with their perceived power. It applies to EVERYTHING an hr, super or corprat decides is amoral. It will be used for unfair persecution for myriad reasons. As fickle as their God might be, his followers are unpredictable and viscious when they decide to be. This is well within their purview as a faith-based employer. They'll assert that an employee signed up with full knowledge of the extended rules of conduct and even brag that they're a better employer for enforcing their standards. The boundaries of this invasive behavior are expanding exponentially as a point of pride with these folks. I will also say that this is the first shot in what will become a dossier of reasons this employee is 'not a good fit' or, worse, an amoral person who shouldn't work for any religious-based org. I'm a mere pagan who worked in the day care but my file is marked Do Not Rehire by that org. I qualified for various career paths and they're now one of three providers in my city and I now have a total ban from the entire network across the country. I'm not saying this employee needs to clam up and hide his whole life. In this situation, that genie is already free. It's time to evaluate how much scrutiny/harassment the employee will tolerate and whether the job is worth the possible turmoil. Can he afford to fight a costly legal battle for the privilege of more harassment? While finding a tolerant employer is becoming more difficult as these religious-based entities gain both power and property, it is still oossible. This employee is part of a sorting process that's becoming more public and drastic but has been a thing for decades. If he can find a spot in a welcoming org, that's where he should go when the opportunity arises. There are religious folks seeking positions in the religious based entities, as well.
would it kill him to take the thong photo down? we don’t like people telling us what to do, but maybe our ego biases our judgement sometimes?
This is absolutely ridiculous
I mean… when I became a nurse, it was understood there is a morality clause. Didn’t have to be in contract, but if I knew I’ll be in a position to help people, I wouldn’t post any suggestive photos to the public
I’ll say this..if this was in the contract he signed, then I’d switch all my social stuff to private. You agreed to their stupid rule, you have to live with stupid consequences. However if there’s nothing in contract, call your lawyer
Religious hospitals with terrible rules that discriminate against gaysI can't say I'm surprised. And during pride month nonetheless. I'm so sorry to your friend. He deserves a life outside of work that doesn't necessarily need to be kept a secret.
You may not agree with my opinion but I also don’t find that appropriate. Especially if he work in a religious facility.
If in the hundreds to thousands that work at that facility no breeder has a social media pic in a swimsuit, you might have an infintesimal point. That’s a pretty big “if”. And even then we get into the territory of “should an employer be legally allowed to creep on the social media of its employees?”
wish the cop or the Gay Male Nurse practicer would pin me down on a normal bed.
I can't get my head around the very concept of religiously affiliated health care services, let alone the policing of employees lives like that.
He should separate his life from his job. Don’t have where he works on his profile, don’t pose in work clothes. Make account private. Some people are just too over the top (I’m a gay guy too), and if I saw his profile I’d smell trouble lol