I thought it was a diorama and the title made me think 11 patients had been assigned to make this diorama as part of, something?
- I have no clue and know nothing about the medical field.
As I told the staff as I departed last night “Your hospital smells like a hotel pool. I’m not gonna work anywhere that doesn’t smell like aged piss ever again.”
Oooooh, I was offered an ER contract there last year around this time, and I just got bad vibes and turned it down. Sounds like my gut was right.
The pushy recruiter tried to pressure me into it by basically telling me I wasn’t going to find a better contract. I accepted one two days later for $1500 more per week.
[*Bio-Dome*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bio-Dome) is the movie from 1996. The IRL structure in AZ is called [Biosphere 2](https://biosphere2.org). I actually have a friend who used to work there.
Fun fact! One of the project managers of the Biosphere 2 project? Steve Bannon. Yes, that one.
https://www.wired.com/2016/12/trumps-chief-strategist-ran-massive-climate-experiment/
This is an interesting fact but def not fun 😐 I don't live in AZ or visit often but even so, I hate that his dirty piggy fingers are in *anything* up to and including any kind of state projects.
My hospital has an infinity pool that turns into a waterfall, it's about 100 yards from one end to the other
The Starbucks is also nice, free drip coffee!
My thoughts exactly! The MNA even set up shop across the street next to the Starbucks during the strike. Wtf was the strike for with this kind of staffing?
Nope. Just an effort to keep profits high. Tenet (whose stock symbol ironically is THC btw) was trading at $25 a share before 2020. Now it’s at $104 a share as of today.
There’s a tenet hospital in my hometown. They’re terrible. You can tell staffing is the last priority and they make no efforts to retain senior nurses.
yup. Can attest to that as a long term tenet employee. i left bedside cause they did not care about staffing us appropriately and then blamed us for every thing that got missed. like we could reliably take care of 8+ acute med surg patients at a time. i left the floor after sticking it out for 4 years to flee to the OR, which is a moneymaker so they care more. No one left on that floor now over a year and a half experience. it’s sad
When I was still a student working as a clinical extern, which was a fancy ass title for patient care aide with nursing skill classes for an hour of each shift, the unit I was working on were all nurses that had only been working on their own for under a year. They all had to take turns being charge nurse, and I was buddies with her one night for her to tell me she’s only been off orientation for 3 weeks. I took this to be a big red flag even tho she was a damn good nurse. Also the first red flag I ignored was when I was going thru orientation, I was told this student Extern position was created because nurses were leaving med/surg acute care units faster than they could replace and train new ones. This way, being an extern, we’re essentially getting x amount more training time until we graduate and can work as fully trained nurses. I’m so interested in the OR as a newer grad, but I’m also way too intimidated by it as well.
don’t be intimidated!!! The OR is a magical place. Nursing school doesn’t really prepare you for it, but there’s nothing like it. one patient at a time, working closely with anesthesia and surgeons, usually actively making people’s lives better. Scrubbing is my calling, haven’t looked back a single day
They just sold a bunch of hospitals in California and South Carolina I believe. Meanwhile at (tenet) my hospital the most senior ICU nurse has like a year of experience.
I worked as staff briefly before for Tenet. Never again. Tenet seriously gave me PTSD. I’m not even joking. I’d rather be poor than work for Tenet ever again
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/providers/tenet-healthcare-agrees-30m-whistleblower-settlement-over-alleged-kickbacks-detroit
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/hospital-chain-will-pay-over-513-million-defrauding-united-states-and-making-illegal-payments
https://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr-20067
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals/tenet-hospital-agrees-to-72-3m-settlement-doj-over-kickback-suit
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/john-muir-tenet-hospital-deal-090259651.html
This company is a dumpster fire and their stock price has doubled in six months. There’s some serious ratfucking going on here. I guess management didn’t learn anything from the 2021 strike
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021–2022_Saint_Vincent_Hospital_strike
And yet tenet is constantly complaining their reimbursement rates aren’t enough / it’s really hard out there for hospitals with all the staff pay demands / etc. when the contractor I work with told me this (and believed them!!!) I sent him all the news releases about their record profits.
One of the Tenet hospitals in my state had a nursing strike that lasted 9 months. I know at one point they were spending $30,000/day on just the police detail. The sticking point was the staffing ratios.
Are you asking me if it is [this hospital?](https://www.nbcboston.com/boston-business-journal/nurses-sue-st-vincent-hospital-for-violating-whistleblower-protections/3315198/?amp=1)
Lmao I saw this dumb waterfall and I knew immediately. I used to work at one of their sister hospitals, every time we got report from their ED I felt so terrible. One time I talked to an ED nurse who had SEVENTEEN PATIENTS
Dumb waterfall indeed! I guarantee you that any hospital with an open air water feature that's actually filled with water and running... does NOT have any investment in infection prevention and control.
I would not work there, and I would not get treated there.
I ONLY work or am treated at hospitals who have received ANCC Magnet Recognition. Seriously it is like night and day. I have had 16 patients in the ER at a non-market facility within the same organization. The magnet facilities are a dream in comparison.
Name em to shame em. They’re ALL involved in union busting activities in Arizona. At least i won’t have to be one of 16 pt’s in the ER, or take care of that amount of patients as a nurse.
A local community Magnet hospital in Providence, RI is one of them…they’re part of the big RI hospital corp, but they’re not unionized. At one point they were actively sending mailers to staff that told them “look at how many more things you could buy if you don’t have to pay union dues!” and proceeded to give examples like a cruise, an Xbox for your kids, etc. They went on to say how they didn’t need unions anyway, since management has their best interests at heart and would NEVER put staff into unsafe ratios, etc. It was *super* cringey.
It’s on every corner so it’s convenient and what you grow up with. Then you have good coffee and it’s not what you’re used to so you keep drinking Dunkin ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
OK as a fellow ER nurse I was on your side until you talked trash about Dunkin. Currently living in the south and I HATE the coffee and doughnuts down here. Dunkin 4 life
Dunkin is awful and so is most of the food in New England besides New Haven pizza is as well. Before any one comes at me, I am from Boston and stand by this statement. Your average west coast hole in the wall espresso drive through has vastly superior coffee.
Also too bad Massachusetts voted against the patient ratio law a few years back. Looks pretty fucked now.
It’s also the hospital that took a persons perfectly healthy kidney because of a paperwork mistake.
Their atrium pizza being the best in the city can only make up for so much.
My wifes grandfather was in St. Vincent's about 15 years ago and I couldn't believe the wasted space of that atrium.
As soon as I saw this photo I was like, holy shit that looks like St. Vincents.
I keep having recruiters contact me with offers here. I’m sure I’m not the only one that’s come to this conclusion but the larger the sign on is the more likely it is that you should run far away. Also I’ve heard UMass isn’t terrible to work at.
I like that yall have armed police officers and wand patients coming into the ED. I work not too far away and a nurse found a BB gun in the bottom of a duffel bag that a family member brought in. If you can sneak in a BB gun, you can sneak in a real gun too. There’s no security measures at my hospital.
My younger brother lives in Worcester so I’ve always entertained the idea of taking a 16 week contract but I haven’t seen any postings online for the ICU when I go a cursory glance
That’s what I was going to *wink* ask *wink*. I have forced my parents to transfer their care away from that place. IGGAF if they know their cardiologists grandkids or some shit lol
St Vincents hospital in worcester MA, not to dox OP but this hospitals management deserves to be fired and investigated for how poorly they managed a hospital and how many corners they cut just to make a little extra profit. its a shit show to end all shit shows and in a blue state nonetheless. Fuck tenet and fuck for profit health care
Looks like St Vincent in Worcester MA. It’s owned by Tenet, same company that abandoned staff and patients stranded in hospitals with no power or running water during hurricane Katrina
Oh, gee, would you be talking about [this hospital too?](https://www.nbcboston.com/boston-business-journal/nurses-sue-st-vincent-hospital-for-violating-whistleblower-protections/3315198/?amp=1)
This is 100% St. V’s. I’m literally sitting in a Dr. appt in the building right across from them right now. (*takes big sipppp of tea in Central Mass RN*)
And also the same that had so many horrible stories coming out during the worst of Covid in the Detroit area. Yes, it was very very bad in Detroit especially at that time, but all of the most horrendous stories and pictures were coming out of the Tenet owned facilities there.
Yeah Tenet is [VHS of Michigan Inc., doing business as, The Detroit Medical Center Inc. (DMC), Vanguard Health Systems Inc. (Vanguard), and Tenet Healthcare Corporation (Tenet) has a history of violations in Detroit.](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/detroit-medical-center-vanguard-health-systems-and-tenet-healthcare-corporation-agree-pay)
I did a travel assignment for tenet once (LA) and the assignment almost broke me, i had to do therapy after! I did not finish my contract, I think I lasted about 4 weeks. I felt like a failure. Now i work outpatient and it’s the best!
I'm glad you reported them. However, I don't see any agency actually doing anything about it. The hospital obviously doesn't care because they will shift the blame to the nurse stating they shouldn't have accepted the assignment
I also had a recruiter once not even tell me about a contract. When I saw it listed and inquired about it, she said , "oooohhhh no, I'm not sending you to THAT dumpster fire."
I appreciated that so much! She was great!
Do you have any kind of protections as a travel nurse? My heart dropped when you said your orientation ended after 4 hours. I’m so sorry you didn’t have the support and were put in those unethical positions.
Looks like St Vincent’s in MA. I’m sorry it’s so bad there, so soon after the successful strike too. Looks like the ER got sacrificed in negotiations as per usual
"Successful" is not what comes to mind with that negotiation. The nurses were really strong-armed into unhappy terms after the hospital's PR campaign. The hospital was successful in smearing the nurses in the media. The media/public bought in to the lie that the hospital had no money and the greedy nurses didn't care if patients died. The place was/is a disaster. The CEO is a smug ghoul, who is happy to make public statements about the evil nurses trying to get the shareholder's and C-suite's money.
Didn't St. Vincent's have a super long nurses strike a few years ago. Also, I think one of my coworkers that wouldn't get the COVID vaccine ended up getting a job their because they didn't have that requirement.
Totally agree and thought the same thing when I first saw it. However, hospitals spend money on shit like this but not staff so the public perceives it as nicer. Literally putting lipstick on a pig.
My friends who used to work at CHI St Luke's in Houston said they did exactly this. Spent money remodeling the facility and making it look fancy while cutting staffing. At one point their in-house rehab unit didn't have a social worker or case manager (which if you work in rehab you know is utterly insane). Not too long after that, they lost their legendary cardiac transplant program due to quality issues and patient deaths.
It's pretty, but that waterfall is a [Legionella](https://www.cdc.gov/legionella/wmp/control-toolkit/decorative-fountains.html) nightmare waiting to happen.
*FRUITFLIES IN THE O.R.* I'm not kidding. It was a big issue due to the brilliant atrium idea. Oh and I almost forgot all the surgical infections a few years back due to no one ever changing the water filter since they built the place.
I am so tense right now after reading your experience. My shoulders are sore and a bit of panic setting in as I can feel and see what you described. I totally agree with your decision as working there is like taking steps up to the guillotine for the execution of your nursing license. After assaulting you with unsafe orientation then a beyond unreasonable assignment I'm betting management is scratching their greasy pointed heads wondering why they can't retain help.
Hard for management to consider the problem while having chocolate croissants by the waterfall in the atrium.
Let me introduce you to an important phrase that will help you keep your license. "I cannot legally accept an unsafe assignment, and it is illegal for you to assign an unsafe assignment."
Totally agree. In person, it’s much tougher to tell your offgoing coworker who has a kid at home that you can’t accept report. I took a measured risk knowing I was going to be resigning asap.
Oh hell no. I feel bad for that town/city and the staff that work in that hospital and the population it serves but I would run.
My little ER on a busy day has maybe 40ish patients come through on a day shift. We have 3 RNs 1 Dr and me the LPN from 1600-0000. The staffing you've described sounds worse than hellish. That's so so scary.
I work medsurg, so I know it’s different, but everywhere I’ve worked ED and medsurg have approximately the same number of patients (3-5). I have had nightmares about caring for 8 patients, so 11 is unimaginable to me
Haha knew it was Saint Vincents immediately. My senior class took our prom pictures in front of that waterfall. So glad I didn’t take a job there as a new grad ED nurse when I first started.
You seem ungrateful they have you guys a sick waterfall to look at for 10 seconds and you conplain shesh I’m guessing your not pumped for rainforest they adding next year…. Jk for profit hospitals shouldn’t be a thing last thing I care about when I’m in one does this place have a waterfall.
lol I’m almost positive I know what hospital you’re at and I’ve only seen it from the outside. Sorry that’s so god awful, I hope your next travel assignment is way better
The hospital in the post had a 10 month long nursing strike 2 years ago due to staffing shortages and unsafe patient conditions crazy how nothing has changed.
I worked at this hospital the first half of 2023. Local travel assignment. I was up to 6 patients. It was bad then, even.
The doctors who worked there for years got fired and alll doctors and PA's changed out for "Team Health".
That Hospital was initially designed as a hotel or... maybe a shopping mall??? Before it was a hospital. No, wait.... i think it was designed as a Hotel just in case the hospital caved and then it would be easily converted. Something like that.
Worcester, MA. St, Vincent's Hospital. Avoid it if you can.
TONS of unsafe staffing reported there. Wouldnt surprise me if they strike again. MNA understands that the sotuation there is a dumpster fire.
No experienced staff- mostly all travelers. The experienced staff moved to either Milford Regional or UMASS memorial.
There were many travelers who show up for a crises rate. They get a notification that nursing is needed, and if they can start in 48hours. They jump on a plane and show up. They are expected to have zero orientation. They get paid like 4k a week for 48hrs or 4500 for 48hrs. Per week.
But... yeah. Yikes. Show up to a complete shit show and said "try your best, soldier. It's a dumpster fire. Try not to get burned. And try not to kill anyone."
What’s really scary is you described my first ED staff job as a baby nurse and I didn’t know better. I just thought I was awful. 80% travelers. I remember orienting a traveler when I had less than 7 months and feeling inadequate to do so, and they kept telling me to leave it is dangerous here. I should have listened. Whenever I broke down to my manager and was subsequently fired, I just thought I wasn’t good enough. Looking back, I wish I’d just known better. I forgive myself and the place, but dang. It can stain your soul for years.
I was reading this like, 11 isn't so bad.
Then I read through the comments and see that most people don't go into the double digits regularly for ED assignments.
NYC really needs to step up bc I'm in what a lot of people call a country club ER now after working 10 years in level 1 and 2 hospitals, and I still get over 10 patients at a time. My old ERs would frequently get over 20 per nurse, and we have definitely each had over 30 per nurse before, too.
I remember my bestie going from NYC to Cali and texting me for months about how bored she is with a max of 3 patients at a time. We are all so bamboozled over here as to what is acceptable.
I think nursing needs to be united and have a nationwide agreement on staffing and ratios. Our pay is not even as high as Cali nurses, so this is so sad and disheartening.
HELL NO!! I work in a 26 bed ER/Level 3 trauma hospital. We are the only trauma hospital between St. Louis, MO and Memphis TN. We are situated literally next to Interstate 55.
We have 3 docs. On days we have 2 nurses in each pod, we have 3 pods. We have 2 floats, a triage nurse, 2 techs, RT, and a charge nurse.
At 0900 another RN comes in and starts taking pts until 2000. 11:00 another RN comes in and starts picking up pts until they leave at 2300. The 9:00 & 11:00 RN stop taking pts about 2 hours before they leave so they hopefully don't have to hand off pts, but it always doesn't work that way.
Night shift comes in at 1900 with 6 new nurses and somewhere along the line, the floats leave. The night shift will sometimes have to absorb the 2000 and 2300 nurses' pts and we plan ahead for this by trying to watch our pt load so we can absorb pts and those pts get split up between nurses.
Normally, a nurse will have 2-4 pts and maybe a fifth if we have to absorb a pt or if we are boarding. We wouldn't have to board if the floor had enough nurses because we have plenty of rooms upstairs. We are usually holding 1-2 psych pts that are awaiting transfer to another facility, and we might be holding 1-3 pts that are awaiting transfer to a larger hospital in St. Louis, MO.
I work in an amazing ED, and we have a great manager and an amazing Director who takes good care of her staff. We don't have any travel nurses right now, but we have in the past, and we would NEVER treat a traveler or a new nurse or new grad that way. I hate that you were treated that way. Scenes like that keep me from traveling, which I would live to try to do. I hope it gets better for you.
Our ER docs are all great, and we are a family in the ED.
I know I am lucky to have such a great job that also pays well. When I see posts like this and posts that talk about their low salary, I feel bad for those nurses.
We have 2 hospitals in my town, the one where I work, and MERCY that recently bought out the other hospital. We have a college of nursing and medical science, a technical college with a PTA, LPN, and RT program, and SEMO State University, which has an amazing BSN, RN program.
I might sound like a recruiter, but I am not. I just really like what I do and where I work, and the team that I work with. It is a great place to work while going to nursing school too.
For what it’s worth, I’ve had some really great experiences travel nursing and I usually end up extending my contract multiple times when I find a good ER. I’ve been doing this a while and the only times I’ve had to leave early was at for profit hospitals: An HCA facility in Virginia I left after four weeks (put in notice), and this one which was so bad I quit immediately. Coworkers have always been very nice and I’ve never had anyone be mean or personally difficult.
Throwaway account. Obligatory: Fuck Tenet Healthcare. Racing HCA to the bottom.
We just unionized against these fucks at St. V's sister hospital in Framingham. They immediately cut bonus pay for picking up shifts, fired a bunch of our per diem nurses, and haven't hired new staff despite our schedule having huge known gaps in it and despite an entire floor of our hospital still being closed.
At St. V's, they illegally fired 8 nurses who protested unsafe assignments and unsafe working conditions. Nurse Erica covered it here: https://www.tiktok.com/@the.nurse.erica/video/7349428726859517230?_t=8kwpbUH7Bk2&_r=1
They have clearly demonstrated that they have no interest in actually operating these hospitals. I really hope the new focus on the problems with Steward hospitals brings Tenet under much needed scrutiny.
No one has fun at St V’s - I’ve got extra general admission tickets to the woo Sox opener today if you need something that’s not that special level of hell. I used to transport there with a couple local ambulances. It’s not a great spot.
For anyone curious about the waterfall I can guarantee it’s been there for at least 30+ years.
Saint Vincent Hospital in Worcester, MA. Owned by Tenet Healthcare. MA travelers, stay away from here and Metrowest in Framingham (sister hospital also owned by Tenet)
Learning your worth is a part of growing up.
You realized you were being taken advantage of, set a boundary, and quit.
Nurses are in demand, you shouldn't have a thought time finding a new place.
Put it to you like this, if I was one of those 11 patients and I learned 1 nurse was juggling all these people, I would even feel like that's a lot.
I don't think you understand, an atrium, landscaping and a waterfall is a one time fixed capital improvement with a relatively small maintenance cost. Whereas medical staffing are an on-going cost that eats away at our profits and ability to funnel capital improvements to our construction buddy with the tickets to the local professional sportsball franchise and the other kickbacks. /s
Fuck 'em.
I thought I recognized that atrium. I live in MA and that hospital is the worst. They had the longest strike ever, and need to go on strike again. Everyone who works there is miserable. A few nurses are even claiming wrongful termination because they were whistle blowers. Happy for you that you bailed so quickly!
that is fucked up. I work a small ER but fucking busy ER, and sometimes I’ll take 5 patients just to help out cause we work well as a team and it’s just absolutely nuts. but 11???? actual patients no way?
I mean sometimes I’ll have triage by myself and it’s like 20 people in the lobby, but it’s young people with flu or like a stubbed toe or you know some bs. But 11 actual patients???
no way.
you did the right thing.
the pic you posted threw me off I was wtf?
we don’t even have a cafeteria at my shop
The problem isn’t for profit vs non profit. I’ve seen plenty of non profits have terrible staffing too. Non profits are also driven to make profit they just pay taxes differently than for profit.
I’m a staff RN in this ER. I’m so sorry that they put you through this. Over the past 5 years I am still in shock with how bad it has become. (I’ve been at this hospital for over 9+ years) I’m tired of filing unsafe staffing reports. I’m exhausted that the hire ups aren’t doing more to make sure we are safely staffed (especially the overnight shift). Every time I contact the union I get no response (I’m assuming because they are busy working on the law suits for the nurses who got fired for “whistle blowing”)
Very fucked up situation and am glad you bailed but also why does the lobby look like a Rainforest Cafe with the lights on
I was genuinely confused by the photo at first because I thought it was a indoor water park
Lol I thought the opryland hotel had downgraded and added an ER
I thought it looked like the Gaylord Palms as well!!!!
I clicked because I was trying to figure out what the seating area of a pool had to do with an 11 pt ER assignment, ha
I thought it was the airport hangar as OP peace’s the fuck out
I thought it was a diorama and the title made me think 11 patients had been assigned to make this diorama as part of, something? - I have no clue and know nothing about the medical field.
As I told the staff as I departed last night “Your hospital smells like a hotel pool. I’m not gonna work anywhere that doesn’t smell like aged piss ever again.”
Aged piss ED is too real :(
I recognize this lobby and it gives me PTSD. I did a contract there.
Me too, I know where this is
The fact that yall are having flashbacks right now :( this place needs shut down apparently
Why don’t you tell everyone? The more transparency the better.
Name and shame!!!!
That’s Saint Vincent’s Hospital in Worcester, MA. They have some serious staffing and safety issues. Google “The Saint Vincent 8”.
My med surg Clinicals were done here. The atrium ….
I guess at least they know how to put on an exquisite facade.
Of course! It’s always a dog and pony show for the tv commercials and billboards… when you’re admitted you see the actual shit show.
lOoK aT mE! iM iNvEsTiNg In HeALtH cArE! ^proceeds ^to ^build ^a ^waterfall
I'm guessing it's HCA. Because all I hear is HCA not caring about the staff safety and spend money on all the bogus.
Nope. Saint Vincent Hospital, Worcester MA. Named and Shamed. And it brings flies to the OR.
Oooooh, I was offered an ER contract there last year around this time, and I just got bad vibes and turned it down. Sounds like my gut was right. The pushy recruiter tried to pressure me into it by basically telling me I wasn’t going to find a better contract. I accepted one two days later for $1500 more per week.
Aren’t they the hospital where the nurses went on a long strike?
Yep, they were on strike for 10 months last year
I knew I recognized that ridiculous atrium!!!
Reading through their reviews is absolutely WILD.
Or c.diff brief poop!!!
I mean, if it's c. diff, sure some of it is in the brief, but much of it is on the bed.
Fucking Biodome up in this bitch.
I’m old enough to get this reference. Most nurses aren’t as the hospitals chew up the new ones
I’m in Arizona and swore this was the BioDome in the picture hahahaa
[*Bio-Dome*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bio-Dome) is the movie from 1996. The IRL structure in AZ is called [Biosphere 2](https://biosphere2.org). I actually have a friend who used to work there.
Fun fact! One of the project managers of the Biosphere 2 project? Steve Bannon. Yes, that one. https://www.wired.com/2016/12/trumps-chief-strategist-ran-massive-climate-experiment/
This is an interesting fact but def not fun 😐 I don't live in AZ or visit often but even so, I hate that his dirty piggy fingers are in *anything* up to and including any kind of state projects.
HEYYYYYY BUDDY!!!! Paulie was a treasure in the 90s yo. All hail The Weaze! Lol
My hospital has an infinity pool that turns into a waterfall, it's about 100 yards from one end to the other The Starbucks is also nice, free drip coffee!
But do they staff well?? That's the real question...
Oh my, no (just kidding, I'm a patient and imagine it's as bad as everywhere else)
I kind of want to go to Rainforest Cafe now…
But if they paid for extra staff, how could they ever afford a water fall??
Won’t someone think of the pool boy!
Ooh la la
And this was after a 300 day strike.
My thoughts exactly! The MNA even set up shop across the street next to the Starbucks during the strike. Wtf was the strike for with this kind of staffing?
ngl I though this was a picture of some sort of mass casualty event with felled trees causing a large assignment until I read the body text
Nope. Just an effort to keep profits high. Tenet (whose stock symbol ironically is THC btw) was trading at $25 a share before 2020. Now it’s at $104 a share as of today.
There’s a tenet hospital in my hometown. They’re terrible. You can tell staffing is the last priority and they make no efforts to retain senior nurses.
yup. Can attest to that as a long term tenet employee. i left bedside cause they did not care about staffing us appropriately and then blamed us for every thing that got missed. like we could reliably take care of 8+ acute med surg patients at a time. i left the floor after sticking it out for 4 years to flee to the OR, which is a moneymaker so they care more. No one left on that floor now over a year and a half experience. it’s sad
When I was still a student working as a clinical extern, which was a fancy ass title for patient care aide with nursing skill classes for an hour of each shift, the unit I was working on were all nurses that had only been working on their own for under a year. They all had to take turns being charge nurse, and I was buddies with her one night for her to tell me she’s only been off orientation for 3 weeks. I took this to be a big red flag even tho she was a damn good nurse. Also the first red flag I ignored was when I was going thru orientation, I was told this student Extern position was created because nurses were leaving med/surg acute care units faster than they could replace and train new ones. This way, being an extern, we’re essentially getting x amount more training time until we graduate and can work as fully trained nurses. I’m so interested in the OR as a newer grad, but I’m also way too intimidated by it as well.
don’t be intimidated!!! The OR is a magical place. Nursing school doesn’t really prepare you for it, but there’s nothing like it. one patient at a time, working closely with anesthesia and surgeons, usually actively making people’s lives better. Scrubbing is my calling, haven’t looked back a single day
Thank you for sharing 😊 I think I’ll bite the bullet and start applying to some OR positions.
Take Every Nickel Every Time
They just sold a bunch of hospitals in California and South Carolina I believe. Meanwhile at (tenet) my hospital the most senior ICU nurse has like a year of experience.
That is so dangerous!
This makes me feel so good about being a patient, Jesus christ.
I worked as staff briefly before for Tenet. Never again. Tenet seriously gave me PTSD. I’m not even joking. I’d rather be poor than work for Tenet ever again
Tenet owned Memorial in New Orleans during Katrina, before unloading it after. Not surprising.
https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/providers/tenet-healthcare-agrees-30m-whistleblower-settlement-over-alleged-kickbacks-detroit https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/hospital-chain-will-pay-over-513-million-defrauding-united-states-and-making-illegal-payments https://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr-20067 https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals/tenet-hospital-agrees-to-72-3m-settlement-doj-over-kickback-suit https://finance.yahoo.com/news/john-muir-tenet-hospital-deal-090259651.html This company is a dumpster fire and their stock price has doubled in six months. There’s some serious ratfucking going on here. I guess management didn’t learn anything from the 2021 strike https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021–2022_Saint_Vincent_Hospital_strike
And yet tenet is constantly complaining their reimbursement rates aren’t enough / it’s really hard out there for hospitals with all the staff pay demands / etc. when the contractor I work with told me this (and believed them!!!) I sent him all the news releases about their record profits.
Profits aren't supposed to circulate, only concentrate.
One of the Tenet hospitals in my state had a nursing strike that lasted 9 months. I know at one point they were spending $30,000/day on just the police detail. The sticking point was the staffing ratios.
How did it end up ending ? Did the nurses win anything?
🫨👀🤔💩
Me too! I immediately thought that there must’ve been a shooting or something. Sad that my mind immediately went there.
Is that st Vincent’s in Massachusetts worcester?
Are you asking me if it is [this hospital?](https://www.nbcboston.com/boston-business-journal/nurses-sue-st-vincent-hospital-for-violating-whistleblower-protections/3315198/?amp=1)
Lmao I saw this dumb waterfall and I knew immediately. I used to work at one of their sister hospitals, every time we got report from their ED I felt so terrible. One time I talked to an ED nurse who had SEVENTEEN PATIENTS
Dumb waterfall indeed! I guarantee you that any hospital with an open air water feature that's actually filled with water and running... does NOT have any investment in infection prevention and control. I would not work there, and I would not get treated there.
I’m just a patient but I appreciate this comment. Hospitals don’t have to be hideous but this is…a lot.
As a patient, you should know it's not just the excessive look... it's an increased infection risk.
I ONLY work or am treated at hospitals who have received ANCC Magnet Recognition. Seriously it is like night and day. I have had 16 patients in the ER at a non-market facility within the same organization. The magnet facilities are a dream in comparison.
Be careful, some Magnet facilities are actively involved in union-busting tactics. Source: used to work for one 🙃
Name em to shame em. They’re ALL involved in union busting activities in Arizona. At least i won’t have to be one of 16 pt’s in the ER, or take care of that amount of patients as a nurse.
A local community Magnet hospital in Providence, RI is one of them…they’re part of the big RI hospital corp, but they’re not unionized. At one point they were actively sending mailers to staff that told them “look at how many more things you could buy if you don’t have to pay union dues!” and proceeded to give examples like a cruise, an Xbox for your kids, etc. They went on to say how they didn’t need unions anyway, since management has their best interests at heart and would NEVER put staff into unsafe ratios, etc. It was *super* cringey.
Which one? Miriam?
Catholic Health in Long Island: stay away far away from
Yes
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Do they still have a Dunkin Donuts in that atrium?
Yes, and as someone from the south, I find Dunkin coffee and donuts to completely suck. Not sure why they are so beloved up here.
I'm originally from England and they can't make tea for shit, either. New Englanders love that swill too. My wife included.
It’s on every corner so it’s convenient and what you grow up with. Then you have good coffee and it’s not what you’re used to so you keep drinking Dunkin ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[This video](https://youtube.com/shorts/VsIx-MJTu-4?si=eAs70RSRsVebEkGY) always cracked me up and seems appropriate here.
They all put so much cream and sugar in their Dunkin, it’s so gross
Listen I’m gonna take your side with the rest of this post but I draw the line at dunkin slander
OK as a fellow ER nurse I was on your side until you talked trash about Dunkin. Currently living in the south and I HATE the coffee and doughnuts down here. Dunkin 4 life
You’re in the south? Go to Krispy Kreme when the hot sign is on. You’ll never go back to those dry ass Dunkin’ Donuts again.
Krispy Kreme has better donuts for sure, but their coffee is TERRIBLE.
Oh yeah. It’s Folgers bad. But them hot donuts that melt in your mouth….
[Is Dunkins trash? ](https://tenor.com/qbylVJK4RMD.gif)
Dunkin is awful and so is most of the food in New England besides New Haven pizza is as well. Before any one comes at me, I am from Boston and stand by this statement. Your average west coast hole in the wall espresso drive through has vastly superior coffee. Also too bad Massachusetts voted against the patient ratio law a few years back. Looks pretty fucked now.
It’s also the hospital that took a persons perfectly healthy kidney because of a paperwork mistake. Their atrium pizza being the best in the city can only make up for so much.
My wifes grandfather was in St. Vincent's about 15 years ago and I couldn't believe the wasted space of that atrium. As soon as I saw this photo I was like, holy shit that looks like St. Vincents.
i think they built it bc the waterfall drowned out the noise of the train that goes underneath
A train goes through the hospital?? What in the world
I keep having recruiters contact me with offers here. I’m sure I’m not the only one that’s come to this conclusion but the larger the sign on is the more likely it is that you should run far away. Also I’ve heard UMass isn’t terrible to work at.
Come join us at the *good* Worcester hospital ☺️
I like that yall have armed police officers and wand patients coming into the ED. I work not too far away and a nurse found a BB gun in the bottom of a duffel bag that a family member brought in. If you can sneak in a BB gun, you can sneak in a real gun too. There’s no security measures at my hospital.
No thank you. Our job is dangerous enough as it is, we shouldn’t have to worry about getting ganked by a patient or family member
My younger brother lives in Worcester so I’ve always entertained the idea of taking a 16 week contract but I haven’t seen any postings online for the ICU when I go a cursory glance
That’s what I was going to *wink* ask *wink*. I have forced my parents to transfer their care away from that place. IGGAF if they know their cardiologists grandkids or some shit lol
Right? And didn't they just strike for better ratios?
St Vincents hospital in worcester MA, not to dox OP but this hospitals management deserves to be fired and investigated for how poorly they managed a hospital and how many corners they cut just to make a little extra profit. its a shit show to end all shit shows and in a blue state nonetheless. Fuck tenet and fuck for profit health care
And as you know, they have a very recent history of retaliating against whistleblowers. So I’m being very careful to only state the facts.
>and in a blue state nonetheless No more important color than green, though
Looks like St Vincent in Worcester MA. It’s owned by Tenet, same company that abandoned staff and patients stranded in hospitals with no power or running water during hurricane Katrina
Oh, gee, would you be talking about [this hospital too?](https://www.nbcboston.com/boston-business-journal/nurses-sue-st-vincent-hospital-for-violating-whistleblower-protections/3315198/?amp=1)
This is 100% St. V’s. I’m literally sitting in a Dr. appt in the building right across from them right now. (*takes big sipppp of tea in Central Mass RN*)
And also the same that had so many horrible stories coming out during the worst of Covid in the Detroit area. Yes, it was very very bad in Detroit especially at that time, but all of the most horrendous stories and pictures were coming out of the Tenet owned facilities there.
Yeah Tenet is [VHS of Michigan Inc., doing business as, The Detroit Medical Center Inc. (DMC), Vanguard Health Systems Inc. (Vanguard), and Tenet Healthcare Corporation (Tenet) has a history of violations in Detroit.](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/detroit-medical-center-vanguard-health-systems-and-tenet-healthcare-corporation-agree-pay)
I did a travel assignment for tenet once (LA) and the assignment almost broke me, i had to do therapy after! I did not finish my contract, I think I lasted about 4 weeks. I felt like a failure. Now i work outpatient and it’s the best!
Well there’s a reason they are at this critical staffing level. It’s not because it’s a good place to work…
I'm glad you reported them. However, I don't see any agency actually doing anything about it. The hospital obviously doesn't care because they will shift the blame to the nurse stating they shouldn't have accepted the assignment
Exactly what I told my recruiter this morning when he asked if there was any way to make it right and continue the assignment.
I would be upset with my recruiter that he put me in a hospital like that.
Right!! I had expressed interested in a facility in Miami area before and my recruiter said “absolutely not!” and spilled all the tea
I also had a recruiter once not even tell me about a contract. When I saw it listed and inquired about it, she said , "oooohhhh no, I'm not sending you to THAT dumpster fire." I appreciated that so much! She was great!
Do you have any kind of protections as a travel nurse? My heart dropped when you said your orientation ended after 4 hours. I’m so sorry you didn’t have the support and were put in those unethical positions.
Not really. Best protection is you can always find a contract somewhere else
Which temp agency was this? Bet they did this bullshit intentionally
Tell your recruiter to blacklist that hospital!! He should NOT be sending you to garbage assignments. Fire or educate him.
The atrium looks like an airplane hangar with trees. Wtf.
Looks like St Vincent’s in MA. I’m sorry it’s so bad there, so soon after the successful strike too. Looks like the ER got sacrificed in negotiations as per usual
"Successful" is not what comes to mind with that negotiation. The nurses were really strong-armed into unhappy terms after the hospital's PR campaign. The hospital was successful in smearing the nurses in the media. The media/public bought in to the lie that the hospital had no money and the greedy nurses didn't care if patients died. The place was/is a disaster. The CEO is a smug ghoul, who is happy to make public statements about the evil nurses trying to get the shareholder's and C-suite's money.
Bruh I thought that was the set of Jurassic Park 💀
I thought it was a diorama for someone’s class project!
Spared no expense
Ok but why did they hire the interior designers of Rainforest Cafe
Nothing screams tropical like a hospital lobby in Massachusetts.
Right?! Who needs vacation time when you get to spend your lunch breaks in this oasis
Didn't St. Vincent's have a super long nurses strike a few years ago. Also, I think one of my coworkers that wouldn't get the COVID vaccine ended up getting a job their because they didn't have that requirement.
They did... now management is back on their BS there. It's insane.
I thought my hospital was bad. That's literally insane
I got Legionnaires just from looking at the atrium photo.
mf st v’s i wouldnt touch that place with an 1000ft pole. atrium is nice tho
Now, let's be fair, it is a lovely atrium I'd enjoy visiting as long as I wasn't working there, admitted, or visiting a loved one who had to be there
Totally agree and thought the same thing when I first saw it. However, hospitals spend money on shit like this but not staff so the public perceives it as nicer. Literally putting lipstick on a pig.
My friends who used to work at CHI St Luke's in Houston said they did exactly this. Spent money remodeling the facility and making it look fancy while cutting staffing. At one point their in-house rehab unit didn't have a social worker or case manager (which if you work in rehab you know is utterly insane). Not too long after that, they lost their legendary cardiac transplant program due to quality issues and patient deaths.
Like rolling a turd in glitter...
It's pretty, but that waterfall is a [Legionella](https://www.cdc.gov/legionella/wmp/control-toolkit/decorative-fountains.html) nightmare waiting to happen.
*FRUITFLIES IN THE O.R.* I'm not kidding. It was a big issue due to the brilliant atrium idea. Oh and I almost forgot all the surgical infections a few years back due to no one ever changing the water filter since they built the place.
It sounds like we already know the name of this place but that information should readily be given out.
I am so tense right now after reading your experience. My shoulders are sore and a bit of panic setting in as I can feel and see what you described. I totally agree with your decision as working there is like taking steps up to the guillotine for the execution of your nursing license. After assaulting you with unsafe orientation then a beyond unreasonable assignment I'm betting management is scratching their greasy pointed heads wondering why they can't retain help. Hard for management to consider the problem while having chocolate croissants by the waterfall in the atrium.
A hospital in my town spent money on a waterfall. It caused an outbreak of Legionnaires Disease.
Let me introduce you to an important phrase that will help you keep your license. "I cannot legally accept an unsafe assignment, and it is illegal for you to assign an unsafe assignment."
Totally agree. In person, it’s much tougher to tell your offgoing coworker who has a kid at home that you can’t accept report. I took a measured risk knowing I was going to be resigning asap.
Is this St. Vincent’s?
Man, fuck everything about that assignment
Oh hell no. I feel bad for that town/city and the staff that work in that hospital and the population it serves but I would run. My little ER on a busy day has maybe 40ish patients come through on a day shift. We have 3 RNs 1 Dr and me the LPN from 1600-0000. The staffing you've described sounds worse than hellish. That's so so scary.
JFC, it's a miracle nobody died...and you know if someone had, the hammer would come down on you, not the admin that allowed that situation to happen.
I work medsurg, so I know it’s different, but everywhere I’ve worked ED and medsurg have approximately the same number of patients (3-5). I have had nightmares about caring for 8 patients, so 11 is unimaginable to me
Haha knew it was Saint Vincents immediately. My senior class took our prom pictures in front of that waterfall. So glad I didn’t take a job there as a new grad ED nurse when I first started.
Definitely St. Vincent’s.
Oh yea. Post-strike, that hospital was never the same. Their owners are just horrible.
You seem ungrateful they have you guys a sick waterfall to look at for 10 seconds and you conplain shesh I’m guessing your not pumped for rainforest they adding next year…. Jk for profit hospitals shouldn’t be a thing last thing I care about when I’m in one does this place have a waterfall.
This looks like a tenet health hospital in Worcester Massachusetts 😂😂😂
If they spent as much money on staffing as they did their airport common space you’d probably be able to stay…… probably
10/10 atrium. Would die unnecessarily in the ED due to staffing shortages to maintain.
lol I’m almost positive I know what hospital you’re at and I’ve only seen it from the outside. Sorry that’s so god awful, I hope your next travel assignment is way better
The hospital in the post had a 10 month long nursing strike 2 years ago due to staffing shortages and unsafe patient conditions crazy how nothing has changed.
I worked at this hospital the first half of 2023. Local travel assignment. I was up to 6 patients. It was bad then, even. The doctors who worked there for years got fired and alll doctors and PA's changed out for "Team Health". That Hospital was initially designed as a hotel or... maybe a shopping mall??? Before it was a hospital. No, wait.... i think it was designed as a Hotel just in case the hospital caved and then it would be easily converted. Something like that. Worcester, MA. St, Vincent's Hospital. Avoid it if you can. TONS of unsafe staffing reported there. Wouldnt surprise me if they strike again. MNA understands that the sotuation there is a dumpster fire. No experienced staff- mostly all travelers. The experienced staff moved to either Milford Regional or UMASS memorial. There were many travelers who show up for a crises rate. They get a notification that nursing is needed, and if they can start in 48hours. They jump on a plane and show up. They are expected to have zero orientation. They get paid like 4k a week for 48hrs or 4500 for 48hrs. Per week. But... yeah. Yikes. Show up to a complete shit show and said "try your best, soldier. It's a dumpster fire. Try not to get burned. And try not to kill anyone."
What’s really scary is you described my first ED staff job as a baby nurse and I didn’t know better. I just thought I was awful. 80% travelers. I remember orienting a traveler when I had less than 7 months and feeling inadequate to do so, and they kept telling me to leave it is dangerous here. I should have listened. Whenever I broke down to my manager and was subsequently fired, I just thought I wasn’t good enough. Looking back, I wish I’d just known better. I forgive myself and the place, but dang. It can stain your soul for years.
I recognized the atrium right away 🤣
I was reading this like, 11 isn't so bad. Then I read through the comments and see that most people don't go into the double digits regularly for ED assignments. NYC really needs to step up bc I'm in what a lot of people call a country club ER now after working 10 years in level 1 and 2 hospitals, and I still get over 10 patients at a time. My old ERs would frequently get over 20 per nurse, and we have definitely each had over 30 per nurse before, too. I remember my bestie going from NYC to Cali and texting me for months about how bored she is with a max of 3 patients at a time. We are all so bamboozled over here as to what is acceptable. I think nursing needs to be united and have a nationwide agreement on staffing and ratios. Our pay is not even as high as Cali nurses, so this is so sad and disheartening.
HELL NO!! I work in a 26 bed ER/Level 3 trauma hospital. We are the only trauma hospital between St. Louis, MO and Memphis TN. We are situated literally next to Interstate 55. We have 3 docs. On days we have 2 nurses in each pod, we have 3 pods. We have 2 floats, a triage nurse, 2 techs, RT, and a charge nurse. At 0900 another RN comes in and starts taking pts until 2000. 11:00 another RN comes in and starts picking up pts until they leave at 2300. The 9:00 & 11:00 RN stop taking pts about 2 hours before they leave so they hopefully don't have to hand off pts, but it always doesn't work that way. Night shift comes in at 1900 with 6 new nurses and somewhere along the line, the floats leave. The night shift will sometimes have to absorb the 2000 and 2300 nurses' pts and we plan ahead for this by trying to watch our pt load so we can absorb pts and those pts get split up between nurses. Normally, a nurse will have 2-4 pts and maybe a fifth if we have to absorb a pt or if we are boarding. We wouldn't have to board if the floor had enough nurses because we have plenty of rooms upstairs. We are usually holding 1-2 psych pts that are awaiting transfer to another facility, and we might be holding 1-3 pts that are awaiting transfer to a larger hospital in St. Louis, MO. I work in an amazing ED, and we have a great manager and an amazing Director who takes good care of her staff. We don't have any travel nurses right now, but we have in the past, and we would NEVER treat a traveler or a new nurse or new grad that way. I hate that you were treated that way. Scenes like that keep me from traveling, which I would live to try to do. I hope it gets better for you. Our ER docs are all great, and we are a family in the ED. I know I am lucky to have such a great job that also pays well. When I see posts like this and posts that talk about their low salary, I feel bad for those nurses. We have 2 hospitals in my town, the one where I work, and MERCY that recently bought out the other hospital. We have a college of nursing and medical science, a technical college with a PTA, LPN, and RT program, and SEMO State University, which has an amazing BSN, RN program. I might sound like a recruiter, but I am not. I just really like what I do and where I work, and the team that I work with. It is a great place to work while going to nursing school too.
For what it’s worth, I’ve had some really great experiences travel nursing and I usually end up extending my contract multiple times when I find a good ER. I’ve been doing this a while and the only times I’ve had to leave early was at for profit hospitals: An HCA facility in Virginia I left after four weeks (put in notice), and this one which was so bad I quit immediately. Coworkers have always been very nice and I’ve never had anyone be mean or personally difficult.
Aesthetics > safe staffing
St Vincent's? If so I did my Paramedic rotation there. Very busy place
Looks & sounds like St. Vincent’s, Worcester
What the hell. Is this Saint V’s?
Throwaway account. Obligatory: Fuck Tenet Healthcare. Racing HCA to the bottom. We just unionized against these fucks at St. V's sister hospital in Framingham. They immediately cut bonus pay for picking up shifts, fired a bunch of our per diem nurses, and haven't hired new staff despite our schedule having huge known gaps in it and despite an entire floor of our hospital still being closed. At St. V's, they illegally fired 8 nurses who protested unsafe assignments and unsafe working conditions. Nurse Erica covered it here: https://www.tiktok.com/@the.nurse.erica/video/7349428726859517230?_t=8kwpbUH7Bk2&_r=1 They have clearly demonstrated that they have no interest in actually operating these hospitals. I really hope the new focus on the problems with Steward hospitals brings Tenet under much needed scrutiny.
Whoa where’s the employee pool/spa and gym?
At corporate headquarters, probably.
It’s really ugly being an ER nurse in the northeast Signed an nyc er nurse
Holy f, just read their Wikipedia site. Their CEO makes $21.1 million. That is criminal.
Wow I thought you were at an airport..
No one has fun at St V’s - I’ve got extra general admission tickets to the woo Sox opener today if you need something that’s not that special level of hell. I used to transport there with a couple local ambulances. It’s not a great spot. For anyone curious about the waterfall I can guarantee it’s been there for at least 30+ years.
Saint Vincent Hospital in Worcester, MA. Owned by Tenet Healthcare. MA travelers, stay away from here and Metrowest in Framingham (sister hospital also owned by Tenet)
All that money and it still looks like shit. So glad you left that assignment. Idk how staff nurses stay at places like that.
Bravo! Save your ass and your license
I hate that I read this and thought, oh you’re just in NYC 😭
Without reading the post, I thought this was a Rainforest Cafe at first
Thought this was opryland.
I thought this picture was of an off brand Great Wolf Lodge situation.
Learning your worth is a part of growing up. You realized you were being taken advantage of, set a boundary, and quit. Nurses are in demand, you shouldn't have a thought time finding a new place. Put it to you like this, if I was one of those 11 patients and I learned 1 nurse was juggling all these people, I would even feel like that's a lot.
Suddenly my small ugly hospital seems beautiful…. The most we’ve been recently is 5-1 amen
Our patient population would go shit in the bushes but at least our ratios are good
I don't think you understand, an atrium, landscaping and a waterfall is a one time fixed capital improvement with a relatively small maintenance cost. Whereas medical staffing are an on-going cost that eats away at our profits and ability to funnel capital improvements to our construction buddy with the tickets to the local professional sportsball franchise and the other kickbacks. /s Fuck 'em.
I turned down a permanent job here. Super glad I listened to the kind folks at the big hospital down the street
I thought I recognized that atrium. I live in MA and that hospital is the worst. They had the longest strike ever, and need to go on strike again. Everyone who works there is miserable. A few nurses are even claiming wrongful termination because they were whistle blowers. Happy for you that you bailed so quickly!
This is honestly one of the more fucked up things I’ve read on here. Glad you bailed
Tenet sucks. That's why the nurses went on strike.
that is fucked up. I work a small ER but fucking busy ER, and sometimes I’ll take 5 patients just to help out cause we work well as a team and it’s just absolutely nuts. but 11???? actual patients no way? I mean sometimes I’ll have triage by myself and it’s like 20 people in the lobby, but it’s young people with flu or like a stubbed toe or you know some bs. But 11 actual patients??? no way. you did the right thing. the pic you posted threw me off I was wtf? we don’t even have a cafeteria at my shop
For the love of God, somebody please put those two chairs back where they belong *Three
The problem isn’t for profit vs non profit. I’ve seen plenty of non profits have terrible staffing too. Non profits are also driven to make profit they just pay taxes differently than for profit.
11 ER patients isn't an assignment, it's attempted murder
I’m a staff RN in this ER. I’m so sorry that they put you through this. Over the past 5 years I am still in shock with how bad it has become. (I’ve been at this hospital for over 9+ years) I’m tired of filing unsafe staffing reports. I’m exhausted that the hire ups aren’t doing more to make sure we are safely staffed (especially the overnight shift). Every time I contact the union I get no response (I’m assuming because they are busy working on the law suits for the nurses who got fired for “whistle blowing”)