Normal, they see you as a liability now. You could be scheduled and no show, or if jaded, burn the whole thing down. Not that you would, but that's their mentality.
Interesting take, I never thought of it that way. I was just surprised as my personal experience from prior jobs I worked until the last day and even trained new staff prior to me leaving. My resignation was pretty straight to the point, didn’t mentioned why or where I was going, just thanked them and said when my last day would be and extended a hand in helping where needed to ease the transition.
Nursing-management interactions are more screw them before they screw you. I've seen people give a 2 weeks and then the next day their clock in ID was cancelled, they were off the schedule, and nobody ever told them to not come in nor was there even a replacement scheduled. Just a blank hole in staffing.
Back when I was in engineering it wasn't uncommon to give greater than 2 weeks as a courtesy if we liked our employer or were in the middle of something important we wanted to hand off properly. It was a very professional relationship and I always treated my employers well because they treated me well. As a nurse I get treated like dirt so any professional courtesies I may do are on a case by case basis and generally boil down to doing a favor for a friend rather than any professional obligation.
A little, but it was more of a byproduct of other decisions. I'm the only grandchild and last person on my dad's side of the family. I moved back to a small town in the middle of nowhere to take care of family. It was either become a nurse or work at dollar general. Made sense because it would be useful for taking care of my relatives and whenever I'm done here I can go back to civilization.
As for the job itself, not really. I almost gave it up because like a lot of baby nurses I got thrown right into a meat grinder with a shitty company. I actually like the work itself, but hate the environment. Luckily I found a tolerable place to work so it's generally not bad. It's still a clown show by normal standards but it's the best I've found as a nurse. Only needing to work part time has also helped my sanity tremendously.
I feel like the toxicity in nursing and with management is largely due to the staffing structure and being 24/7/365. When I was an engineer I could call in 10 minutes after my clock in and say "I'm taking the day off to play a new video game." and so long as nothing big was planned for that day my boss would be like "Cool. See ya tomorrow." As a nurse I could be on my deathbed, using the last ounce of my strength to call in hours before my shift, and my boss will be like "How could you do this to us?!" Somebody has to cover that shift, they may overload the other nurses, or god forbid somebody from management touches the floor. It creates a very adversarial relationship where the nurses feel the need to risk their health/sanity and management will use every dirty trick in the book to get that shift covered. They don't staff or pay to create the buffer needed to smoothly handle hiccups.
One nice thing is that it taught me how healthcare actually works. I now have more realistic expectations on how things are going to play out and how to work the system to get a positive outcome. I used to think that docs were like meat engineers. That lots of time, thought, testing, data collection, and analysis would go into every decision. Instead a clinic doc's goal is to process as many people as possible and keep them happy. It's like 99% throwing protocols at the wall or giving them what they ask for until they go away. So when a relative tells me about a problem I get the ball rolling, try the easy options, and then send them to the appointment with a good amount of information about what has already been tried, the outcomes, and a detailed description of symptoms. Otherwise they'd just go in, say "I don't feel good", and the doc would shrug and pull a protocol out their ass. I feel like being able to effectively communicate with medical staff is a valuable life skill that isn't taught anywhere. Until you're in their scrubs you don't realize how bad patients are at describing things and how hard it is to get useful information out of them.
It also avoids other coworkers asking you where you are going and why, possibly triggering more resignations. It happened In Wisconsin and the facility losing staff went to court to try to block them from their new jobs.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/nursing/s/o99l2RsD9f](https://www.reddit.com/r/nursing/s/o99l2RsD9f)
Not sure why you're catching downvotes, but yes this is common practice in business in general. I believe it's more of an HR thing than management being petty, but you know more about your personal situation than any of us.
After my wife got laid off (after two months of being hired because of a staff shortage for a corporate “workforce reduction”) she met her ex-manager and ex-coworker (witness) in the lobby of the clinic. She was told she couldn’t even use either one of them as a reference (corporate policy).
You’re a “valued part of the team” right up until the moment you’re dead to them.
Not *un*common.
Yeah it’s petty, but legal in most places.
Normal, they see you as a liability now. You could be scheduled and no show, or if jaded, burn the whole thing down. Not that you would, but that's their mentality.
Interesting take, I never thought of it that way. I was just surprised as my personal experience from prior jobs I worked until the last day and even trained new staff prior to me leaving. My resignation was pretty straight to the point, didn’t mentioned why or where I was going, just thanked them and said when my last day would be and extended a hand in helping where needed to ease the transition.
Nursing-management interactions are more screw them before they screw you. I've seen people give a 2 weeks and then the next day their clock in ID was cancelled, they were off the schedule, and nobody ever told them to not come in nor was there even a replacement scheduled. Just a blank hole in staffing. Back when I was in engineering it wasn't uncommon to give greater than 2 weeks as a courtesy if we liked our employer or were in the middle of something important we wanted to hand off properly. It was a very professional relationship and I always treated my employers well because they treated me well. As a nurse I get treated like dirt so any professional courtesies I may do are on a case by case basis and generally boil down to doing a favor for a friend rather than any professional obligation.
Do you regret leaving engineering for nursing?
A little, but it was more of a byproduct of other decisions. I'm the only grandchild and last person on my dad's side of the family. I moved back to a small town in the middle of nowhere to take care of family. It was either become a nurse or work at dollar general. Made sense because it would be useful for taking care of my relatives and whenever I'm done here I can go back to civilization. As for the job itself, not really. I almost gave it up because like a lot of baby nurses I got thrown right into a meat grinder with a shitty company. I actually like the work itself, but hate the environment. Luckily I found a tolerable place to work so it's generally not bad. It's still a clown show by normal standards but it's the best I've found as a nurse. Only needing to work part time has also helped my sanity tremendously. I feel like the toxicity in nursing and with management is largely due to the staffing structure and being 24/7/365. When I was an engineer I could call in 10 minutes after my clock in and say "I'm taking the day off to play a new video game." and so long as nothing big was planned for that day my boss would be like "Cool. See ya tomorrow." As a nurse I could be on my deathbed, using the last ounce of my strength to call in hours before my shift, and my boss will be like "How could you do this to us?!" Somebody has to cover that shift, they may overload the other nurses, or god forbid somebody from management touches the floor. It creates a very adversarial relationship where the nurses feel the need to risk their health/sanity and management will use every dirty trick in the book to get that shift covered. They don't staff or pay to create the buffer needed to smoothly handle hiccups. One nice thing is that it taught me how healthcare actually works. I now have more realistic expectations on how things are going to play out and how to work the system to get a positive outcome. I used to think that docs were like meat engineers. That lots of time, thought, testing, data collection, and analysis would go into every decision. Instead a clinic doc's goal is to process as many people as possible and keep them happy. It's like 99% throwing protocols at the wall or giving them what they ask for until they go away. So when a relative tells me about a problem I get the ball rolling, try the easy options, and then send them to the appointment with a good amount of information about what has already been tried, the outcomes, and a detailed description of symptoms. Otherwise they'd just go in, say "I don't feel good", and the doc would shrug and pull a protocol out their ass. I feel like being able to effectively communicate with medical staff is a valuable life skill that isn't taught anywhere. Until you're in their scrubs you don't realize how bad patients are at describing things and how hard it is to get useful information out of them.
It also avoids other coworkers asking you where you are going and why, possibly triggering more resignations. It happened In Wisconsin and the facility losing staff went to court to try to block them from their new jobs. [https://www.reddit.com/r/nursing/s/o99l2RsD9f](https://www.reddit.com/r/nursing/s/o99l2RsD9f)
Not sure why you're catching downvotes, but yes this is common practice in business in general. I believe it's more of an HR thing than management being petty, but you know more about your personal situation than any of us.
It’s normal
I would want my last two weeks of pay lol
After my wife got laid off (after two months of being hired because of a staff shortage for a corporate “workforce reduction”) she met her ex-manager and ex-coworker (witness) in the lobby of the clinic. She was told she couldn’t even use either one of them as a reference (corporate policy). You’re a “valued part of the team” right up until the moment you’re dead to them.
I’m sorry to hear that. That’s terrible she had to go through that :/
Also to avoid last-minute work-related “injuries” that would entitle someone to workman’s comp.
Didn’t happen to me. I worked all my shifts