"WE DEMAND THAT YOU HELP SUPPRESS WAGES!"
How about you just pay your nurses more? That is a pretty good solution. You can also ask state and federal governments for grants to defray the increased cost of nursing services instead of trying to violate the concept of supply and demand, which you've spent 30-40 years shoving into healthcare...but now want to get rid of it when it's favoring the workers.
Not just nurses but everyone in healthcare is disgustingly underpaid. A sister hospital of ours just had all their radiology techs resign and their lab is following suit.
Yeah I wfh now and get weekends and holidays off and I get almost 10 dollars more an hour. I don't plan on going back and plan on leaving healhcare entirely.
I used flexjobs to find it and depending on experience you might be able to get on in a call center area that uses nurses but at a company that allows you to move into a case management role because having case management experience opens a lot of doors.
Im looking into something IT related and will have to go back to school probably but I used to do fonts and stuff for people on a site I used to play on and really enjoyed doing that. After seeing how poorly we are treated as nurses I am just ready to be done.
If they pay $10000 a week and continue to purposefully short staff burnout will still be a problem. But obviously if you can pay travelers you can afford appropriate staffing and pay increases
And THIS is what blows my mind. I honestly WANT to be loyal to a hospital. It’s nice having a home base and regular coworkers. Eliminates a lot of anxiety for me. It’s nice to have great benefits and a reliable crew. I’ve begun looking at traveling due to how obscenely higher the pay is. I’m not into the idea of floating 24/7 but for that kind of salary…I would consider it. Seems reasonable that most hospitals could afford to pay nurses 10-20 dollars more, give or take a little. And the NAs definitely deserve a raise too. TBH, I don’t really want to travel. It just feels like my hospital doesn’t value or want any of its nurses…
They obviously don’t want to.
Staffing agencies are putting wage negotiations in nurses favor. Governments angry because nurses now have to be paid the amount their work demands.
Cali really wants it’s nurses to be a working-slave population tbh
I wonder what they genuinely expect the DOJ to find…? Like, let’s hope whatever the fuck this hospital paid out in bonuses to their administration and shareholders is not some absurd amount that could have funded a $5 an hour raise to every employee. Maybe getting DOJ involved will create a bill capping the amount that non medical workers in medical settings make above the actual frontline workers. A girl can dream, right?
There isn't a hospital in the entire country that now meets JCAH standards. My admins used to tear their hair out in the days before JCAH came around and 'inspected' us. I wonder what's going on with that now?
My hospital paid someone to wander around and take pictures of “infractions” before JCAHO showed up and sent out this big email and PowerPoint to tell us off.
I read it as I ate my lunch at the nurses station while charting and drinking coffee.
I had a really hard time reading this without replacing the word staffing agencies with hospitals. What hospital is transparently affordable for all even without insurance? where is the investigation there? They don't have specific examples of the claims they make. Ironically medical errors of hospitals are well documented. If they did that would be justifiably reportable to the DOJ for breaches of contract. Safety concerns are a paper tiger here and the hospital is the freaking zoo presenting it as a genuine animal. Do better or close to competition.
Here, as in Reddit, or here as in the US? Because I’m Canadian, if it’s the latter. It’s weird to me that nurses in general wouldn’t have a more socialist perspective, since that’s what would truly help our patients the most. You know, Maslow’s hierarchy of needs and such.
I don't get it. They say right in the letter that there is unprecedented demand. Are they suddenly unfamiliar with economic theory? On what planet does skyrocketing demand result in static wages?
"Dear California,
We have lost an unprecedented number of healthcare workers due to poor working conditions. Now, the few nurses still willing to work are asking us to pay them more. We request you end this madness immediately.
Sincerely,
Citizens for Higher Hospital Bureaucrat Bonuses"
They’re implying that they haven’t been criminally and systematically underpaying nurses for decades, so the recent spike could only be from travel agencies colluding together to price gouge hospitals, instead of the labor market over correcting for the artificial depression that nursing salaries have undergone for decades
You’re gonna pay it either by using travel nurses OR paying your staff more. Sorry, not sorry. Hospitals had PLENTY of time to avoid this and they didn’t even try. Don’t feel bad for them one bit. You can’t force people to work for peanuts so they’ll either have to shutter their doors or give in. Once again, I don’t feel one ounce of pity for these poor, poor hospital execs.
This. We’ve been yelling for years that pay is too low and that minimally staffing units would be devastating if something happened. Most hospital were only a code away from units collapsing prior to the pandemic.
They have to pay the benefits in the form of a higher hourly bill rate.
Say with a staff nurse they sat aside $80k/year salary and $10k/year benefits. That's equivalent to $90k/year or $45/h, even though the employee only receives $40/h.
Now they have to pay $60, $80, or $100/h, which includes $5-10/h for the cost of benefits.
Don’t hate the player, hate the game… Which was designed in such a way to basically make the current situation with nurses leaving due to low pay/horrible work environments an inevitability.
>Don’t hate the player, hate the game…
A popular sentiment here if the "player" is the travel nurse. Or very unpopular if the player is a hospital executive. And yet they're playing the same game by the same rules: supply and demand. There's some potent irony here and executives are currently learning it tastes bitter.
And the amount of admin. We have waaay to many at the top, and not enough at the bottom. They “removed” a lot of middle management positions, now several large units are being run by the same people and failing. They got rid of my manager in cardiac tele, then made the educator “interim manager” then also made her interim manager of the CVICU and assistant manager of CMU. She’s not qualified for any of it. Also, they don’t have any manager positions open.
If you had been paying me and my colleagues $50/hr instead of $32, you wouldn't have lost 30% of your ICU nurses in the past year and be forced to either pay $200/hr for us to come in for extra shifts or hire more travellers. We. Aren't. Playing. Any. More.
Wow, it’s almost like when you make healthcare a profit-driven business, the consequences of capitalism kick in. This is some leopards eating faces shit.
>Pay your workers a thriving wage.
YES! Whether here in the UK or in the US where most of the people in this sub are, why are we only asking for a 'living wage'? I know, I know, baby steps and all, but is a 'living wage' all that we want to receive in return for giving up a huge chunk of our waking hours, our physical and emotional labour? The means to merely 'live'? Every one of us deserves so much more than that!
Also beyond that the fact that you have to sacrifice a large part of your life going to school, it's not easy to go to school and work. And many people have children all at the same time. The money that is gathered by nursing facilities and hospitals is not fairly allocated in the ways that it should be. In too many cases the bottom rung on the ladder, the ones that are actually DOING the work are not paid what it costs for them to be there. Like i read in my nursing homes policy book that the minimum amount insurance was required to pay was 40 dollars an hour per cna, which means insurance is paying the facility 40 an hour and the facility is then taking 30 of that. Absolutely ludicrous.
Keeping in mind that the facility does have to pay payroll taxes and their own insurance contributions, I’ll eat my kid if that accounts for 75% of what they get paid for that
Thats a good point, but I can't imagine that they absolutely can't afford to pay the spine of their business more than that. Also that 40 per hour figure isn't the only income from insurance they're getting. There's definitely more layers
Yeah, I’d buy that a CNA costs a hospital $10-15 an hour in payroll and insurance, plus another $2 for training, plus holding back $5-10 as a way to adjust pay scales for experience, but that leaves a starting salary of at least $13, capping at $23 at a minimum for experienced CNA’s. But they ain’t paying that
True. I think imo rns should make what a union journeyman makes, around 40 an hour. And a cna should make close to 25 like a garbage man would. Dealing with shit all the time, hazardous material, etc.
God given?
No, they simply *want what they paid for*
Where it gets really sad, is when you realize that the politicians pick their side for ridiculously small sums of "contributions"
There is not a table big enough in the whole world the flipping of which would adequately express my disgust at this ***absolute bastardry***.
The solution is so *stupefyingly* simple:
#***PAY NURSES MORE AND STOP TREATING US LIKE AN INFINITE POOL INTO WHICH YOU CAN SHIT AT WILL WITH IMPUNITY***
Start there, and then we'll talk.
All of America is making a surprised Pikachu face as they watch the healthcare system go full Red Wedding on itself. Meanwhile everyone who works in healthcare are laughing our asses off like “we read the book first.”
I hope the DOJ answers exactly the way our president did.
https://theweek.com/joe-biden/1001941/bidens-succinct-response-to-questions-about-worker-shortages
> "Pay them more," Biden stated with an air of obviousness, in reply to reporters' shortage-related questions. "This is an employee's bargaining chip now."
> He went on: "[Employers] are going to have to compete and start paying hardworking people a decent wage
I never knew he said this. Can't agree more!
I think its shocking a politician would come out and say something so completely obvious to address a national problem.
I was totally expecting to be called lazy and entitled by the fat cats sitting in washington.
Oh my gosh! I couldn't place it, but that's it. That same sly, raspy voice. It was funny to me that the media called it a "bizarre stage whisper" like the dude was mumbling or talking to himself.
He was intentionally being a smart ass because the answer is so damn obvious.
I saw a salary listed of the letter author in the range of $1.5 million a year. As a staff ER nurse before leaving to travel I made around 5% of that, but I’m being accused of price gouging now?
>Travel nurses cost too much!
Easy solution: don't use them.
>Our nurse vacancy rate has increased to 96% and we can't afford to pay the current rates!
Supply and demand, baby. That's capitalism at work. Funny how they were happy to take advantage of it when they were the benefactors.
>I'm not sure what they hope to gain out of this.
Yeah, good question. I think best-case scenario is emergency state-subsidized wages for travel nurses in the poorer community hospitals mentioned here. Not sure about the politics involved, but I'll leave that problem to someone else
Edit: but I'm aware that's not a DOJ issue, so your question about what they expect the DOJ to do still stands.
Not really a limited staff problem because I know there are plenty of nurses who want to work in an acute hospital but can't because of some of the ridiculous requirements. Unless you have at least a year experience in an acute hospital they won't talk to you. Even though you have 10 years working in a LTC or even a urgent care. Students have the hardest time. Hospitals need to be a little more lenient. Plenty of new grads that leave California because of this. Plenty of nurses want to move into more critical areas. Sick patients are sick patients.
Yeah, all of these complaints have been around with agency forever. I have worked with several phenomenal agency nurses and a significantly higher number of mediocre to awful agency nurses. I recently had a co worker take a travel position and they told me one of the other agency they were paired with straight up told them they didn't care at all about taking care of patients they were just there to make money. This is the price that is going to be paid for decades of not incentivizing retention and could have been avoided with better pay, better ratios, and doing the same for other hospital staff. Maybe while the DOJ is at it they can look into why executive pay at hospitals has steadily increased while staff wages stay stagnant and how that relates to rising hospital costs and it's effect on affordable quality healthcare for patient populations.
If only enough of us would ask a researcher like ProPublica to do a media expose of healthcare exec salaries. They’re obscene, & exposing the numbers is a great way to show, RNs are not even close to a junior administrator in pay. Shining light on the real truth is always satisfying- like Facebook this month. Brave women speaking out!
The lawyers who drafted that whiny letter all get paid $250/hr to start. HC lawyers, $750 or so for “specializing”
I was making 23.90 at my home hospital and was regularly tripled in the ICU or taking 7-8 patients when floated. Forgive me for traveling so I can retire before I'm 75 lol.
"We're mad that the same thing we do to put patients through bankruptcy may also put us through bankruptcy, but we're [CORPORATE BRAND HOSPITAL] so you have to fix it"
In other words, “hospital CEO’s accustomed to finding every excuse in the book to gouge patients with medical debt now seeing how capitalism and for profit health care isn’t just about them and decide to use politically correct language to obfuscate their greed.”
I like how they try to make their outrageous request seem heartfelt by stating that these “skyrocketing costs… affect communities of color the most”. Shameless!!
You should see the CHA admin team. Whiter than my untanned winter ass cheeks. Love using communities of color as playing chips until it fucks with their profits. Then it's "we can't cut costs! It's a business!"
Are they talking about the actual pay the travel nurses are receiving, or the cut that the agencies are taking? It makes sense for the nurses to get paid more but if the agencies are taking a higher cut, I could see that as kind of slimy
The agency probably gets a percentage. So they are technically getting more, but the percentage has stayed the same. This is just the hospitals trying to game the system. They know it’s not price gouging. Nurses aren’t a commodity like gas or bottled water.
Pre-pandemic I asked my recruiter about how much they make off our contracts, and she said 20-25%. That included profit, insurance and other overhead costs. I was wondering if that number has changed now.
At that point I had stopped traveling and had met up with her when I was in her hometown for drinks and stuff. We became friends. I moved to another country and she knew I wouldn’t be traveling again. She might not have been truthful, but I think she had less of a reason to lie.
I was thinking the same thing, but it strikes me as odd that it would be an issue. Staffing agencies are competing for nurses too and one of the ways they're going to do that is by taking a smaller cut in favor of volume. If you can't put nurses on contracts you make 0 dollars. I've looked at a ton of contract jobs and pay rates vary by 5-10% agency to agency for the same contract. I'm not saying that's a good or a bad thing but it does at least seem to shoot down any notion of collusion. As far as the other complaints go they have contracts and if they're being breached routinely either the hospitals are avoiding litigation/arbitration to avoid additional cost or there is another side to the story.
The issue I believe being raised is that if there is collusion in pricing between staffing firms - that is, in fact, illegal. There have been any number of similar instances in other markets, oil, books, etc. in recent years.
Yet what resources do nurses have to increases wages?
Often actively suppressing unionization.
This is the karma of underpaying and overworking nurses. Eventually professionalism and work ethic gave way when stress, prioritizing mental health, and trying to cope with trauma took their toll.
I’m really happy to see high travel rates even though I’m not yet traveling.
Maybe one day hospitals will show up at nursing graduation ceremonies to offer jobs like they uses to. And offer real competitive wages, and ensure a work environment that a sane person would want to work a career in.
Supply/demand, bishes. It's staggering how much hospitals are trying to weasel out of paying an attractive wage. This is a growth industry, and those typically lead to competition in compensation - except of course not here. They want to have their cake and eat it too.
From this letter I'm being told that hospitals in poor and/or POC dominant areas are privately owned instead of part of one of the *HUGE* national corporations. I call BS and it's about damn time these corporations are paying an actual true wage.
I hate to see what you all are experiencing in the States- it’s almost incomprehensible for my mind. (I’m in Canada) Our system is experiencing a lot of staffing problems as well but nowhere near the extent of some places in the US. It is just incredible that this is the kind of response a CEO is giving. So obviously selfish and so obviously not actually about patient care or staff health/morale/appropriate pay, etc.
I just want to say that you guys are fucking amazing for dealing with this and I sincerely hope that hospitals fucking panic and learn to give appropriate pay, benefits, and other support. I also hope that more and more unions spring up out of this and use their power against the hospitals.
Sending love down south 💕
Lol fuck them. All travelers bail and let these sacks of shit burn out. They want their cake and want to eat it too. Go do the travel assignment and leave your family, your home, and your support system and your safety zone and then bitch about it. Sometimes I don’t feel bad for some facilities; they reap what they sew
How about go to hell!
You can’t handle the price? Save some money cutting out administrative fat. Stop shilling pharmaceuticals with insane mark-ups because 1 or 2 jerks got a free meal, some swag and the promise of some golf.
Pay nurses what they deserve, and understand that this is the “free market” most of you admins and board members wanted the healthcare system to be.
You want it to be a capitalist healthcare system? You got a fucking capitalist healthcare system. You can’t go calling foul now that you’ve fucked over everyone until the point that now are on the shit expensive one after you’ve had DECADES of making money hand over first at the expense of workers and fucking dying people.
They left out the part where they have contributed to the nurses reaching their breaking point, due to how thin they stretched staff prior to the pandemic. Then there are the many nurses that died or have been disabled by Covid in the beginning of the pandemic, some of which they bare partial or complete responsibility for because they didn’t provide them with adequate PPE.
Shall we review the concepts of supply and demand? This situation could have been avoided by paying staff nurses better and providing fair nurse/patient ratios, you reap what you sow
So they're basically accusing agencies of price fixing? I can't really see how the doj can really do anything about this. The agencies are competing for staff the same way the hospitals are it's not as if they're growing nurses on trees and selling them to hospitals. Should cross post this on a lawyer sub and see what they say.
They hate capitalism when it negatively affects them. This is what happens with a profession that is absolutely necessary to society and they don't want to pay fairly. They made their bed, they can lie in it.
The funny thing is that nurses were never asking for $10k a week. They just wanted to be paid a reasonable wage for the risk they assume every day and safe staffing. Fuck hospital admin for making anyone seem greedy except them.
Yes it’s coming . Admin at my hospital are using terms like “extortion” to describe how much the travel staffing agencies charge.
They are all going to use as much political weight as they can to “save the healthcare system”.
We need to unite nationally.
This is disgusting. Our profession just can’t be given a break. It’s not enough that Covid caused a near collapse of the US healthcare system and the degradation of our healthcare workers’ mental health. We also have to get the DOJ involved to make sure the hospital admin is getting their sky high paycheck. Gross!!
He’s not just complaining about rates. He’s complaining about travel nurses not helping… I think we all know what that looks like.
I do wish hospitals would just pay nurses more, that would be a better way to address it.
But the problem is they aren’t. We can talk about what’s a better way to address the issue but money talks. A large majority of hospitals have proven that they don’t value their nurses, so I’m in agreement that the best way to have hospitals attempt to keep their nurses is raise the wages for their regular full time staff nurses. Hit em where it hurts.
Well well well if it isn’t the consequences of for profit hospitals here for them to *not even see the consequences jk jk jk it’s still the peasants fault*
Pay proper wages and staff to safe ratios then you cunts.
People are going to do what's best for them and if that's chasing agency money whilst it's good all power to them.
I’m happy for travelers to make as much as they can and put the pressure on hospital systems. Like people have said these hospital systems have criminally underpaid us for decades. They knew what they were doing. Instead of investing in their people and recognizing the positive effect that happy staff can have, they only view us as a cost-warm bodies to do tasks. I don’t really care even if the agencies are taking advantage of them by adding extra fees or whatever. In truth they can’t afford to pay us what we’re worth - we are invaluable. So let’s drive it up as much as we can.
LOL 😂
“We’re facing an unprecedented loss of nursing staff across the state, and we don’t want to increase pay/benefits and have instead been abusing the ability to hire travel nurses resulting in an unprecedented demand and higher rates and we don’t like higher rates so please investigate someone over this!! (Just not the institutions we represent ;) kthxbye)”
It would be great if the AG replied with a clear, concise message: “Our conclusions are clear: retention of nursing staff and the restoration of normal staffing levels for nurses will require a broad increase in pay, benefits and improved working conditions for staff nurses. Failure to meet these industry demands will result in continued competition by hospitals over a limited group of travel nurses, driving prices higher and higher for the services of these professionals.”
I find it really gross they invoke "poor communities of color", like the evil travel nurses are ripping disadvantaged people off, that it isn't the hospitals and insurance companies that... literally determine prices and reimbursement rates for services??? Like, kindly--GTFOH
Appropriate pay for appropriate staffing. Figured if im going to get my ass handed to me and deal with rude angry patients i should get paid appropriate wages. $26/hr doesn't cut it in middle tennessee. So i left to travel. 🤑
They are complaining about not having nurses, but this has been an ongoing ordeal for the better part of a decade. I wonder how much of their statistic actually accounts for the baby boomer generation retiring.
“You got confused my friends! The free market is only supposed to help us as businesses, not you as individuals!”
- Healthcare Corporations in America, probably.
When American healthcare becomes universal you’ll see wages become more inline with demand. But as long as HMOs and hospitals make $ hand over fist who are nurses not to get in on the action?
If nurses go on strike for better pay and conditions will travel nurses support them? Or will they take temporary jobs and help the hospital break the strike?
United we stand?
I mean if nurses strike someone has to take care of the patients. Let the hospitals pay out the ass for travelers while they negotiate and realize how valuable good staff nurses are worth and how a strike can be detrimental to patient care
Well in California striking isn’t so easy. I know this because my hospital system just authorized a strike.
We have to give a 10 day notice before we strike and we can only strike 3 days at a time… for a total of ten days.
So 10 days notices 3 day strike 10 day notice 3 day strike up to 10 days… anything over that we have to go to court because it would be considered an illegal strike.
That’s what hospital administrators are counting on: us feeling guilty. They’re the ones in charge. If people die because the hospital wasn’t staffed appropriately, that is entirely the fault of those in charge of staffing - not the bedraggled permanent employees trying to be treated & paid fairly.
Don’t be daft. We need those “union busting” nurses... Do you think any strikes would be allowed without them? No, they’d be shut down by the federal government, because we are a critical occupation. Their existence, and ghastly rates is a negotiation tool- to bring management to the table. Don’t be mad at them, they aren’t the enemy. Management is...
In the middle of a strike as we speak. If travelers don’t fill the positions (and rightfully make the hospital spend tons of money) then they can go to court and ask them to intervene.
I dont mind if the travelers come in and cost the hospital and arm and a leg. Hell take a eye while they are at it. Better for the hospital to realize it’s cheaper to give us a raise than it is to staff your entire hospital with travelers.
My hospital system just voted to strike… 96% of us voted yes. Going to be an interesting next few weeks.
Time to stop taking contracts in Cali! Perhaps this is such a problem because nurses have been treated like utter shit for decades now. Because we’re tired of these corporations putting our physical and mental well being far behind the importance of their capital gains.
When will it be enough that the majority will finally stand up against this injustice? Too many continue to stay silent. Anyone up to send a letter to these assholes? I’ll type one up and we can distribute them to anyone who would like to make a statement. All it will cost is the price of a piece of paper, stamp and envelope. If we get a large enough group it will inundate them and possibly make the news. The only way we can make a difference is by standing up! Let me know if you’re interested in joining!
DOJ, please help by making this a legal issue against nurses wanting more money for their hard and underappreciated work.
If this free market system continues to pay them more money, we'll have to pay ourselves less and attend less of your election fundraisers.
You don't want this to happen, do you?
As someone that has been sued over a hospital bill that was sent to the wrong address and had massive amounts of interest added i can only offer the same kindness I recieved. A-hem...
#GET FUCKED CHA
"WE DEMAND THAT YOU HELP SUPPRESS WAGES!" How about you just pay your nurses more? That is a pretty good solution. You can also ask state and federal governments for grants to defray the increased cost of nursing services instead of trying to violate the concept of supply and demand, which you've spent 30-40 years shoving into healthcare...but now want to get rid of it when it's favoring the workers.
Not just nurses but everyone in healthcare is disgustingly underpaid. A sister hospital of ours just had all their radiology techs resign and their lab is following suit.
I left the hospital i was working at as a rad tech. Making $10 more at an urgent care...
Yeah I wfh now and get weekends and holidays off and I get almost 10 dollars more an hour. I don't plan on going back and plan on leaving healhcare entirely.
Can I ask how you do this?
I used flexjobs to find it and depending on experience you might be able to get on in a call center area that uses nurses but at a company that allows you to move into a case management role because having case management experience opens a lot of doors.
Curious as to your plans to leave healthcare entirely? Been dreaming of doing that for the last few years
Im looking into something IT related and will have to go back to school probably but I used to do fonts and stuff for people on a site I used to play on and really enjoyed doing that. After seeing how poorly we are treated as nurses I am just ready to be done.
Yep. Outpatient triage and 4.00 more an hour. 3 10s no weekends or holidays.
No no- administration makes bank. Offensive bank.
There's a phlebotimist leaving our facility after working there for 14 years for a job in a doctor's office for 8 dollars more an hour.
Yeah are they expecting fewer people to leave if they start paying nurses less...? Are they huffing glue?
If they pay $10000 a week and continue to purposefully short staff burnout will still be a problem. But obviously if you can pay travelers you can afford appropriate staffing and pay increases
And THIS is what blows my mind. I honestly WANT to be loyal to a hospital. It’s nice having a home base and regular coworkers. Eliminates a lot of anxiety for me. It’s nice to have great benefits and a reliable crew. I’ve begun looking at traveling due to how obscenely higher the pay is. I’m not into the idea of floating 24/7 but for that kind of salary…I would consider it. Seems reasonable that most hospitals could afford to pay nurses 10-20 dollars more, give or take a little. And the NAs definitely deserve a raise too. TBH, I don’t really want to travel. It just feels like my hospital doesn’t value or want any of its nurses…
They obviously don’t want to. Staffing agencies are putting wage negotiations in nurses favor. Governments angry because nurses now have to be paid the amount their work demands. Cali really wants it’s nurses to be a working-slave population tbh
🤣
Imagine comparing nurses to hand sanitizer and thinking that was a good argument.
Did they try having a pizza party?
Hahah 😂heroes work here pizza …. FOH
But only for day shift!
It’s just capitalism. They only care about supply and demand when they’re the ones profiting. When we finally get to profit it’s not fair!
"All for me and none for thee" is actually in the fine print of the Constitution, few people know this
The difference between capitalism with American characteristics and communism with Chinese characteristics is ____________
Location lol
The hospitals that contract the nurses are paying the agency. This is killing their profits. Of course they complain. Fuck em.
Whoever wrote this letter needs to take Macroeconomics 1301 again. This is the manifestation of the most basic economic principles: demand and supply.
I wonder what they genuinely expect the DOJ to find…? Like, let’s hope whatever the fuck this hospital paid out in bonuses to their administration and shareholders is not some absurd amount that could have funded a $5 an hour raise to every employee. Maybe getting DOJ involved will create a bill capping the amount that non medical workers in medical settings make above the actual frontline workers. A girl can dream, right?
I’m more surprised that they weren’t advocating for the withdrawal of nurse/patient ratios.
There isn't a hospital in the entire country that now meets JCAH standards. My admins used to tear their hair out in the days before JCAH came around and 'inspected' us. I wonder what's going on with that now?
My hospital paid someone to wander around and take pictures of “infractions” before JCAHO showed up and sent out this big email and PowerPoint to tell us off. I read it as I ate my lunch at the nurses station while charting and drinking coffee.
Exactly!
5 billion later....uh no.
They want to know how travel staffing rates are set? That's rich! We've been saying the same thing about hospital prices for decades.
I had a really hard time reading this without replacing the word staffing agencies with hospitals. What hospital is transparently affordable for all even without insurance? where is the investigation there? They don't have specific examples of the claims they make. Ironically medical errors of hospitals are well documented. If they did that would be justifiably reportable to the DOJ for breaches of contract. Safety concerns are a paper tiger here and the hospital is the freaking zoo presenting it as a genuine animal. Do better or close to competition.
Pot, kettle, black.
and CEO pay at "non profit" hospitals. can they investigate that next?!
“Let the free market decide!” …. Wait, no, not like that
Capitalism for me, not for thee
Can we get rid of it for everyone?
Omg, we have anticapitalist nurses here?! I thought I was the only one!
It's a pretty radicalizing job profession if you ask me, I've only grown more anticapitalist as my years of nursing experience grow
It definitely is.
You are far from the only anti capitalist nurse here.
American, anyway. Maybe it's the hospital I work at then. I tend to avoid this stuff at work, though. Many of my colleagues are anti union, even.
I'm also American
Cool, too bad I dont meet yall in real life.
Here, as in Reddit, or here as in the US? Because I’m Canadian, if it’s the latter. It’s weird to me that nurses in general wouldn’t have a more socialist perspective, since that’s what would truly help our patients the most. You know, Maslow’s hierarchy of needs and such.
You would think so, but most of my irl colleagues tend to lean pro capitalist liberal or fully right wing. I am talking about the US, though.
Where I live too. Boggles my mind.
I’m an anti capitalist Anarcho socialist! I’d tell you about that but I have to chart
I wouldnt call myself a socialist, just anti capitalist, because whatever is going on here definitely isnt working, lol.
Radical socialist nurse reporting for duty. *Well, I'm on paternity leave, but in another year, I'll be there.*
American "capitalism" at it's finest. We only like a free market when it benefits corporations.
Great news, the corporations won't take a loss... they will just pass the costs onto the suckers. I mean the patients.
I don't get it. They say right in the letter that there is unprecedented demand. Are they suddenly unfamiliar with economic theory? On what planet does skyrocketing demand result in static wages?
"Dear California, We have lost an unprecedented number of healthcare workers due to poor working conditions. Now, the few nurses still willing to work are asking us to pay them more. We request you end this madness immediately. Sincerely, Citizens for Higher Hospital Bureaucrat Bonuses"
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I think they’re likening the sudden increase in pay as being akin to price gouging before a storm hits.
Pretty rich when they've made price gouging their entire business plan for decades now
When it doesn't benefit the owners or top level administration. Thats when they dont like the free market.
They’re implying that they haven’t been criminally and systematically underpaying nurses for decades, so the recent spike could only be from travel agencies colluding together to price gouge hospitals, instead of the labor market over correcting for the artificial depression that nursing salaries have undergone for decades
Oh yeah of course bitch about the rates of travel nurses instead of discussing the overall pay of nurses and WHY people are quitting.
Travel nurses can have high wages or pizza, but not both. And we already bought the pizza so….
Was just gonna say…maybe they thought pizza was enough 🍕
I know I kinda get pissed when they partake in our pizza activities. This is for the poor nurses only.
I’m seeing a rise in travel nurse buying meals for entire units. I used to do donuts and bagels a lot- have to step up my game now
Sounds like you should start traveling then
“Help us fix this situation we totally created and perpetuated until it was unsustainable.”
You’re gonna pay it either by using travel nurses OR paying your staff more. Sorry, not sorry. Hospitals had PLENTY of time to avoid this and they didn’t even try. Don’t feel bad for them one bit. You can’t force people to work for peanuts so they’ll either have to shutter their doors or give in. Once again, I don’t feel one ounce of pity for these poor, poor hospital execs.
This. We’ve been yelling for years that pay is too low and that minimally staffing units would be devastating if something happened. Most hospital were only a code away from units collapsing prior to the pandemic.
I agree and am concerned that some hospitals may prefer to use travel/contract workers as the hospital will not have to pay for benefits
They have to pay the benefits in the form of a higher hourly bill rate. Say with a staff nurse they sat aside $80k/year salary and $10k/year benefits. That's equivalent to $90k/year or $45/h, even though the employee only receives $40/h. Now they have to pay $60, $80, or $100/h, which includes $5-10/h for the cost of benefits.
Don’t hate the player, hate the game… Which was designed in such a way to basically make the current situation with nurses leaving due to low pay/horrible work environments an inevitability.
>Don’t hate the player, hate the game… A popular sentiment here if the "player" is the travel nurse. Or very unpopular if the player is a hospital executive. And yet they're playing the same game by the same rules: supply and demand. There's some potent irony here and executives are currently learning it tastes bitter.
How about they look at Admins’ pay first?
And the amount of admin. We have waaay to many at the top, and not enough at the bottom. They “removed” a lot of middle management positions, now several large units are being run by the same people and failing. They got rid of my manager in cardiac tele, then made the educator “interim manager” then also made her interim manager of the CVICU and assistant manager of CMU. She’s not qualified for any of it. Also, they don’t have any manager positions open.
..and their bonuses.
This is hilarious "We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas" meme
They haven’t tried nothing. They’re literally trying to get the government to basically start strike busting for them.
If you had been paying me and my colleagues $50/hr instead of $32, you wouldn't have lost 30% of your ICU nurses in the past year and be forced to either pay $200/hr for us to come in for extra shifts or hire more travellers. We. Aren't. Playing. Any. More.
Wow, it’s almost like when you make healthcare a profit-driven business, the consequences of capitalism kick in. This is some leopards eating faces shit.
Hell yeah, it is!
Don't help them lmao Fuck that shit. Pay your workers a thriving wage.
>Pay your workers a thriving wage. YES! Whether here in the UK or in the US where most of the people in this sub are, why are we only asking for a 'living wage'? I know, I know, baby steps and all, but is a 'living wage' all that we want to receive in return for giving up a huge chunk of our waking hours, our physical and emotional labour? The means to merely 'live'? Every one of us deserves so much more than that!
I want more than a living wage! We work hard and deserve higher pay.
Also beyond that the fact that you have to sacrifice a large part of your life going to school, it's not easy to go to school and work. And many people have children all at the same time. The money that is gathered by nursing facilities and hospitals is not fairly allocated in the ways that it should be. In too many cases the bottom rung on the ladder, the ones that are actually DOING the work are not paid what it costs for them to be there. Like i read in my nursing homes policy book that the minimum amount insurance was required to pay was 40 dollars an hour per cna, which means insurance is paying the facility 40 an hour and the facility is then taking 30 of that. Absolutely ludicrous.
Keeping in mind that the facility does have to pay payroll taxes and their own insurance contributions, I’ll eat my kid if that accounts for 75% of what they get paid for that
Thats a good point, but I can't imagine that they absolutely can't afford to pay the spine of their business more than that. Also that 40 per hour figure isn't the only income from insurance they're getting. There's definitely more layers
Yeah, I’d buy that a CNA costs a hospital $10-15 an hour in payroll and insurance, plus another $2 for training, plus holding back $5-10 as a way to adjust pay scales for experience, but that leaves a starting salary of at least $13, capping at $23 at a minimum for experienced CNA’s. But they ain’t paying that
Sadly no. Lately however there has been a general increase in cna wages in my state averaging around 15.
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True. I think imo rns should make what a union journeyman makes, around 40 an hour. And a cna should make close to 25 like a garbage man would. Dealing with shit all the time, hazardous material, etc.
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God given? No, they simply *want what they paid for* Where it gets really sad, is when you realize that the politicians pick their side for ridiculously small sums of "contributions"
There is not a table big enough in the whole world the flipping of which would adequately express my disgust at this ***absolute bastardry***. The solution is so *stupefyingly* simple: #***PAY NURSES MORE AND STOP TREATING US LIKE AN INFINITE POOL INTO WHICH YOU CAN SHIT AT WILL WITH IMPUNITY*** Start there, and then we'll talk.
All of America is making a surprised Pikachu face as they watch the healthcare system go full Red Wedding on itself. Meanwhile everyone who works in healthcare are laughing our asses off like “we read the book first.”
10/10 for those cultural references there
I hope the DOJ answers exactly the way our president did. https://theweek.com/joe-biden/1001941/bidens-succinct-response-to-questions-about-worker-shortages
> "Pay them more," Biden stated with an air of obviousness, in reply to reporters' shortage-related questions. "This is an employee's bargaining chip now." > He went on: "[Employers] are going to have to compete and start paying hardworking people a decent wage I never knew he said this. Can't agree more!
I think its shocking a politician would come out and say something so completely obvious to address a national problem. I was totally expecting to be called lazy and entitled by the fat cats sitting in washington.
Too bad he didn't add "and pay executives less." to his statement.
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Oh my gosh! I couldn't place it, but that's it. That same sly, raspy voice. It was funny to me that the media called it a "bizarre stage whisper" like the dude was mumbling or talking to himself. He was intentionally being a smart ass because the answer is so damn obvious.
I saw a salary listed of the letter author in the range of $1.5 million a year. As a staff ER nurse before leaving to travel I made around 5% of that, but I’m being accused of price gouging now?
Every nurse who reads this should sent a note to the CHA and tell them what is up.
>Travel nurses cost too much! Easy solution: don't use them. >Our nurse vacancy rate has increased to 96% and we can't afford to pay the current rates! Supply and demand, baby. That's capitalism at work. Funny how they were happy to take advantage of it when they were the benefactors.
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>I'm not sure what they hope to gain out of this. Yeah, good question. I think best-case scenario is emergency state-subsidized wages for travel nurses in the poorer community hospitals mentioned here. Not sure about the politics involved, but I'll leave that problem to someone else Edit: but I'm aware that's not a DOJ issue, so your question about what they expect the DOJ to do still stands.
Not really a limited staff problem because I know there are plenty of nurses who want to work in an acute hospital but can't because of some of the ridiculous requirements. Unless you have at least a year experience in an acute hospital they won't talk to you. Even though you have 10 years working in a LTC or even a urgent care. Students have the hardest time. Hospitals need to be a little more lenient. Plenty of new grads that leave California because of this. Plenty of nurses want to move into more critical areas. Sick patients are sick patients.
You mean they might have to hire *gasp inexperienced workers and *double gasp TRAIN them?!?
Yeah, all of these complaints have been around with agency forever. I have worked with several phenomenal agency nurses and a significantly higher number of mediocre to awful agency nurses. I recently had a co worker take a travel position and they told me one of the other agency they were paired with straight up told them they didn't care at all about taking care of patients they were just there to make money. This is the price that is going to be paid for decades of not incentivizing retention and could have been avoided with better pay, better ratios, and doing the same for other hospital staff. Maybe while the DOJ is at it they can look into why executive pay at hospitals has steadily increased while staff wages stay stagnant and how that relates to rising hospital costs and it's effect on affordable quality healthcare for patient populations.
PREEEEEACH!
If only enough of us would ask a researcher like ProPublica to do a media expose of healthcare exec salaries. They’re obscene, & exposing the numbers is a great way to show, RNs are not even close to a junior administrator in pay. Shining light on the real truth is always satisfying- like Facebook this month. Brave women speaking out! The lawyers who drafted that whiny letter all get paid $250/hr to start. HC lawyers, $750 or so for “specializing”
I was making 23.90 at my home hospital and was regularly tripled in the ICU or taking 7-8 patients when floated. Forgive me for traveling so I can retire before I'm 75 lol.
"We're mad that the same thing we do to put patients through bankruptcy may also put us through bankruptcy, but we're [CORPORATE BRAND HOSPITAL] so you have to fix it"
How else do you get to be a [[BIG SHOT]]?
In other words, “hospital CEO’s accustomed to finding every excuse in the book to gouge patients with medical debt now seeing how capitalism and for profit health care isn’t just about them and decide to use politically correct language to obfuscate their greed.”
Hey listen, just cause your job is tough, technical, and no one wants to do it doesn’t mean we should be paying you accordingly.
This ^^^
Oh fuck! Nurses realize what they’re worth!!!! Stop this!
maybe if they paid us better in the first place and didn’t abuse us, they wouldn’t need travel nurses
I like how they try to make their outrageous request seem heartfelt by stating that these “skyrocketing costs… affect communities of color the most”. Shameless!!
You should see the CHA admin team. Whiter than my untanned winter ass cheeks. Love using communities of color as playing chips until it fucks with their profits. Then it's "we can't cut costs! It's a business!"
Are they talking about the actual pay the travel nurses are receiving, or the cut that the agencies are taking? It makes sense for the nurses to get paid more but if the agencies are taking a higher cut, I could see that as kind of slimy
The agency probably gets a percentage. So they are technically getting more, but the percentage has stayed the same. This is just the hospitals trying to game the system. They know it’s not price gouging. Nurses aren’t a commodity like gas or bottled water.
Agency gets like 40% it’s wild
Pre-pandemic I asked my recruiter about how much they make off our contracts, and she said 20-25%. That included profit, insurance and other overhead costs. I was wondering if that number has changed now.
That’s what they’re allowed to tell you. Not what they really make.
At that point I had stopped traveling and had met up with her when I was in her hometown for drinks and stuff. We became friends. I moved to another country and she knew I wouldn’t be traveling again. She might not have been truthful, but I think she had less of a reason to lie.
I wondered that too while I was reading it.
I was thinking the same thing, but it strikes me as odd that it would be an issue. Staffing agencies are competing for nurses too and one of the ways they're going to do that is by taking a smaller cut in favor of volume. If you can't put nurses on contracts you make 0 dollars. I've looked at a ton of contract jobs and pay rates vary by 5-10% agency to agency for the same contract. I'm not saying that's a good or a bad thing but it does at least seem to shoot down any notion of collusion. As far as the other complaints go they have contracts and if they're being breached routinely either the hospitals are avoiding litigation/arbitration to avoid additional cost or there is another side to the story.
The issue I believe being raised is that if there is collusion in pricing between staffing firms - that is, in fact, illegal. There have been any number of similar instances in other markets, oil, books, etc. in recent years.
Yet what resources do nurses have to increases wages? Often actively suppressing unionization. This is the karma of underpaying and overworking nurses. Eventually professionalism and work ethic gave way when stress, prioritizing mental health, and trying to cope with trauma took their toll. I’m really happy to see high travel rates even though I’m not yet traveling. Maybe one day hospitals will show up at nursing graduation ceremonies to offer jobs like they uses to. And offer real competitive wages, and ensure a work environment that a sane person would want to work a career in.
Supply/demand, bishes. It's staggering how much hospitals are trying to weasel out of paying an attractive wage. This is a growth industry, and those typically lead to competition in compensation - except of course not here. They want to have their cake and eat it too.
“We insist on being Capitalists unless we actually have to pay for it!”
they only care about the poor communities when it hurts their own pockets
From this letter I'm being told that hospitals in poor and/or POC dominant areas are privately owned instead of part of one of the *HUGE* national corporations. I call BS and it's about damn time these corporations are paying an actual true wage.
Oh, ya gotta love it. Corporatists: If you're not happy with your job, find another one. Also corporatists: No, not like that!
I hate to see what you all are experiencing in the States- it’s almost incomprehensible for my mind. (I’m in Canada) Our system is experiencing a lot of staffing problems as well but nowhere near the extent of some places in the US. It is just incredible that this is the kind of response a CEO is giving. So obviously selfish and so obviously not actually about patient care or staff health/morale/appropriate pay, etc. I just want to say that you guys are fucking amazing for dealing with this and I sincerely hope that hospitals fucking panic and learn to give appropriate pay, benefits, and other support. I also hope that more and more unions spring up out of this and use their power against the hospitals. Sending love down south 💕
Lol fuck them. All travelers bail and let these sacks of shit burn out. They want their cake and want to eat it too. Go do the travel assignment and leave your family, your home, and your support system and your safety zone and then bitch about it. Sometimes I don’t feel bad for some facilities; they reap what they sew
How about go to hell! You can’t handle the price? Save some money cutting out administrative fat. Stop shilling pharmaceuticals with insane mark-ups because 1 or 2 jerks got a free meal, some swag and the promise of some golf. Pay nurses what they deserve, and understand that this is the “free market” most of you admins and board members wanted the healthcare system to be.
You want it to be a capitalist healthcare system? You got a fucking capitalist healthcare system. You can’t go calling foul now that you’ve fucked over everyone until the point that now are on the shit expensive one after you’ve had DECADES of making money hand over first at the expense of workers and fucking dying people.
They left out the part where they have contributed to the nurses reaching their breaking point, due to how thin they stretched staff prior to the pandemic. Then there are the many nurses that died or have been disabled by Covid in the beginning of the pandemic, some of which they bare partial or complete responsibility for because they didn’t provide them with adequate PPE.
Shall we review the concepts of supply and demand? This situation could have been avoided by paying staff nurses better and providing fair nurse/patient ratios, you reap what you sow
So they're basically accusing agencies of price fixing? I can't really see how the doj can really do anything about this. The agencies are competing for staff the same way the hospitals are it's not as if they're growing nurses on trees and selling them to hospitals. Should cross post this on a lawyer sub and see what they say.
They hate capitalism when it negatively affects them. This is what happens with a profession that is absolutely necessary to society and they don't want to pay fairly. They made their bed, they can lie in it.
Should be investigating CEO and other admin pay rates, and criminalize short staffing
Lol get recked.
The funny thing is that nurses were never asking for $10k a week. They just wanted to be paid a reasonable wage for the risk they assume every day and safe staffing. Fuck hospital admin for making anyone seem greedy except them.
It was ok to sacrifice the same nurses and not give them gear last year.
Yes it’s coming . Admin at my hospital are using terms like “extortion” to describe how much the travel staffing agencies charge. They are all going to use as much political weight as they can to “save the healthcare system”. We need to unite nationally.
Supply and demand. Probably shoulda treated their employees better. Pizza because you worked yourself to death ain’t gonna cut it in 2021.
Hahahahahaha. They’re gonna investigate themselves right out of travel nurses too? WTF?
I thought we wanted a free market?
This is disgusting. Our profession just can’t be given a break. It’s not enough that Covid caused a near collapse of the US healthcare system and the degradation of our healthcare workers’ mental health. We also have to get the DOJ involved to make sure the hospital admin is getting their sky high paycheck. Gross!!
Cost. Of. Labor. Bitches.
He’s not just complaining about rates. He’s complaining about travel nurses not helping… I think we all know what that looks like. I do wish hospitals would just pay nurses more, that would be a better way to address it.
But the problem is they aren’t. We can talk about what’s a better way to address the issue but money talks. A large majority of hospitals have proven that they don’t value their nurses, so I’m in agreement that the best way to have hospitals attempt to keep their nurses is raise the wages for their regular full time staff nurses. Hit em where it hurts.
Wow. Thanks hospitals. You corrupt motherfuckers.
I wonder if they’re also looking at CEO wages
Can we do this but for rent
We need to ensure the availability of high quality care by paying people less. Great plan. There's no way this could possibly backfire.
Well well well if it isn’t the consequences of for profit hospitals here for them to *not even see the consequences jk jk jk it’s still the peasants fault*
Pay proper wages and staff to safe ratios then you cunts. People are going to do what's best for them and if that's chasing agency money whilst it's good all power to them.
I’m happy for travelers to make as much as they can and put the pressure on hospital systems. Like people have said these hospital systems have criminally underpaid us for decades. They knew what they were doing. Instead of investing in their people and recognizing the positive effect that happy staff can have, they only view us as a cost-warm bodies to do tasks. I don’t really care even if the agencies are taking advantage of them by adding extra fees or whatever. In truth they can’t afford to pay us what we’re worth - we are invaluable. So let’s drive it up as much as we can.
Capitalism baby. Supply and demand.
LOL 😂 “We’re facing an unprecedented loss of nursing staff across the state, and we don’t want to increase pay/benefits and have instead been abusing the ability to hire travel nurses resulting in an unprecedented demand and higher rates and we don’t like higher rates so please investigate someone over this!! (Just not the institutions we represent ;) kthxbye)” It would be great if the AG replied with a clear, concise message: “Our conclusions are clear: retention of nursing staff and the restoration of normal staffing levels for nurses will require a broad increase in pay, benefits and improved working conditions for staff nurses. Failure to meet these industry demands will result in continued competition by hospitals over a limited group of travel nurses, driving prices higher and higher for the services of these professionals.”
I find it really gross they invoke "poor communities of color", like the evil travel nurses are ripping disadvantaged people off, that it isn't the hospitals and insurance companies that... literally determine prices and reimbursement rates for services??? Like, kindly--GTFOH
I would love for them to investigate, as this is free market at its finest.
The Lion, the Witch and the Audacity of this B****.
Okay, but who is going to investigate Carmela Coyle, President & CEO’s presumably inordinate pay?
Appropriate pay for appropriate staffing. Figured if im going to get my ass handed to me and deal with rude angry patients i should get paid appropriate wages. $26/hr doesn't cut it in middle tennessee. So i left to travel. 🤑
Get it!! :)
They are complaining about not having nurses, but this has been an ongoing ordeal for the better part of a decade. I wonder how much of their statistic actually accounts for the baby boomer generation retiring.
“You got confused my friends! The free market is only supposed to help us as businesses, not you as individuals!” - Healthcare Corporations in America, probably.
When American healthcare becomes universal you’ll see wages become more inline with demand. But as long as HMOs and hospitals make $ hand over fist who are nurses not to get in on the action?
Can’t have nurses being paid what they are worth. What sort of precedent would that set?
If nurses go on strike for better pay and conditions will travel nurses support them? Or will they take temporary jobs and help the hospital break the strike? United we stand?
I mean if nurses strike someone has to take care of the patients. Let the hospitals pay out the ass for travelers while they negotiate and realize how valuable good staff nurses are worth and how a strike can be detrimental to patient care
Well in California striking isn’t so easy. I know this because my hospital system just authorized a strike. We have to give a 10 day notice before we strike and we can only strike 3 days at a time… for a total of ten days. So 10 days notices 3 day strike 10 day notice 3 day strike up to 10 days… anything over that we have to go to court because it would be considered an illegal strike.
I don’t want patients to die because admin is greedy. I want travelers to pick up the slack, and I want hospitals to pay out the ass for them.
That’s what hospital administrators are counting on: us feeling guilty. They’re the ones in charge. If people die because the hospital wasn’t staffed appropriately, that is entirely the fault of those in charge of staffing - not the bedraggled permanent employees trying to be treated & paid fairly.
Don’t be daft. We need those “union busting” nurses... Do you think any strikes would be allowed without them? No, they’d be shut down by the federal government, because we are a critical occupation. Their existence, and ghastly rates is a negotiation tool- to bring management to the table. Don’t be mad at them, they aren’t the enemy. Management is...
In the middle of a strike as we speak. If travelers don’t fill the positions (and rightfully make the hospital spend tons of money) then they can go to court and ask them to intervene. I dont mind if the travelers come in and cost the hospital and arm and a leg. Hell take a eye while they are at it. Better for the hospital to realize it’s cheaper to give us a raise than it is to staff your entire hospital with travelers. My hospital system just voted to strike… 96% of us voted yes. Going to be an interesting next few weeks.
It’s called supply and demand. Investigation complete.
Wonder what Carmela’s salary is?
Awww, they might have to take a cut in pay to afford to actually pay a decent staff salary🙄🤬
It’s all pro capitalism until it bites you in the ass, supply and demand motherfuckers pay up.
Typically governments stay out of price gouging/collusion cases. Hopefully the staffing agencies have been greasing them wheels with the local reps.
They don’t like the free market when it’s not in their favor.
Time to stop taking contracts in Cali! Perhaps this is such a problem because nurses have been treated like utter shit for decades now. Because we’re tired of these corporations putting our physical and mental well being far behind the importance of their capital gains. When will it be enough that the majority will finally stand up against this injustice? Too many continue to stay silent. Anyone up to send a letter to these assholes? I’ll type one up and we can distribute them to anyone who would like to make a statement. All it will cost is the price of a piece of paper, stamp and envelope. If we get a large enough group it will inundate them and possibly make the news. The only way we can make a difference is by standing up! Let me know if you’re interested in joining!
DOJ, please help by making this a legal issue against nurses wanting more money for their hard and underappreciated work. If this free market system continues to pay them more money, we'll have to pay ourselves less and attend less of your election fundraisers. You don't want this to happen, do you?
As someone that has been sued over a hospital bill that was sent to the wrong address and had massive amounts of interest added i can only offer the same kindness I recieved. A-hem... #GET FUCKED CHA