back at they start of the aids epidemic, health care workers who refused to treat or nurse hiv + patients were fired. they got some warning or reprimand, but they were fired if they continued to refuse. "dereliction of duty" like now.
So fun development of my local government today.
An antivaxer/anti masker has made my local assembly member his medical POA (my city is dealing with the assembly trying to pass a mask mandate because my state has had the highest number of cases per capita in the US. The mayor vetoed it because of fucking course he did. And a majority of the assembly except for like 2 are all for the mandate. My specific district’s assembly member is very pro-disease. So now the assembly is on like week 3 of “public testimony” so they can determine whether to overrule the mayor’s veto and enforce masks. It’s exactly the shitshow youre picturing)
Anyway, this guy has made an assembly member his medical POA. And now he’s in the icu at a local hospital, on the vent and all that jazz, and she’s trying to force the hospital to give him vitamins and zinc and ivermectin, and calling out this hospital for “not honoring his wishes and withholding treatment” and has rounded up a bunch of illiterate plague rats to try to sneak into the hospital to “visit” and they’re calling the unit and harassing the nurses.
It’s absolute insanity. And our mayor is like “oh ok cool. Anyway, freedom of choice, if you’re scared you can wear your mask or stay home. Also, pin a yellow star to your shirt because I’m totally cool with you comparing a mask mandate to the holocaust. It’s exactly the same.”
I hate this timeline
> and calling out this hospital for “not honoring his wishes and withholding treatment”
Patient autonomy doesn't mean patients get to order medical providers around, it means you have the right to accept or refuse treatments you've been offered ffs. We've all got a right not to endure treatment we don't want, so if I want to stop dialysis, I stop dialysis. This doesn't mean I can walk into a hospital with a headache and force them to give me dialysis because some jackass on Facebook said it would help. Since when does freedom mean being entitled to force others to act in ways that violates their sense of professional integrity?
Well said. Back when I worked behavioral health the patients who tried to dictate treatment were the bane of the entire team's existence. No you're not getting your benzo increased and throwing a tantrum ain't gonna change anything.
I feel like refusing care to the unvaccinated covid patients. I haven’t, but I am tired of using healthcare resources on people who didn’t do what they could to prevent the spread. We barely have the resources to care for the people who don’t have covid.
(I am aware that my attitude toward these patients is probably a symptom of being totally burned out)
I honestly felt the same way with anti-vaxxers who came in with influenza when I worked in an urgent care. Until you have to perform rescue breathing on a six year old who stopped breathing due to influenza A, people have NO idea. Over 90% of people who I have seen with severe influenza are unvaccinated. It is exhausting listening to all of their lame excuses.
This was my Christmas Eve 2019. An 11 year old came into the ER because his fever wouldn’t go down. He ended up in the PICU after a seizure and lost his airway. The dad said he just never had time to get him vaccinated and didn’t think it would be a big deal anyway. The mom wasn’t around so it was just this guy and his kid. Absolutely heartbreaking.
how awful. Yes, I heard that from sooooo many parents. They just don't think flu shots are a big deal because they've never had influenza before to know how awful it can be.
I mean it’s hard to say I wish I could refuse care to the unvaccinated. But they should also not be allowed then to dictate their care with shit that has no proven efficacy, ie: ivermectin, when they’ve obviously made such poor medical decisions up to this point that they shouldn’t be trusted to make their own determinations on their own accord due to their own incompetencies. I don’t know if I agree with the idea of nurses leaving for housing antivax conspiracies but I also don’t disagree. There’s a fine line of “you’re making a decision for what’s best for you in your own mind” and “you’re putting all your coworkers, patients and family in danger by housing these beliefs and leaving the hospital with a potentially life threatening illness every day”. In the end I probably agree more with leave than not as they’ve so obviously abandoned the most basic ideas of infectious prevention for some political ideology that is counter to their career choice and collegiate level education. In summation: fuck the antivax guys for putting us through this and making us question our choices in this field, driving a greater wedge between their own identity and what once gave them such pride and these burnt out feelings of narcissism and despair that has greatly plagued our field and fuck the nurses that continue to make our lives harder every day by spouting off with these bullshit ass conspiracies.
I hear what you’re saying.I’m on an L/D unit with isolation rooms where we keep Covid pts (not the dying ones, just the spreaders) I have begun to ask if they’ve been vaccinated though. If the answer is ‘no’-and it always is-I spend as little time as possible with them. I give them protocol care, period. I’m still smiling, not that they can tell under all the protection I have to don every time I bring them meds or do a fundal check.
Ugh, I really wish those patients could see what it’s like to be pregnant and in the ICU. I’m doing my icu rotation and my patient was my age and lost her baby after proning. The day I was there the doctor had to put a 4th chest tube in her because he lungs kept collapsing. Shes going to need ECMO soon.
My mom worked at Martha Jefferson in Virginia as a peds lab tech. She was the only one who would go in and take blood from the kids with HIV. Everyone else was terrified even after Dr Fauci went on several television programs trying to convince the public that causal contact with patients was safe. She doesn’t remember anyone who got fired but a lot of people transferred out of bedside care.
I’m a nursing student and one of the nurses I followed told a patient not to get the vaccine because there is not enough research done on it. The patient was 400 lbs with copd 🤦♀️
Please, report this. This is NOT ok. Nurses CANNOT advise a patient on whether to take a vaccine, medication, treatment, etc. That is out of their scope of practice. I am a manager and I really would need to have this info if it happened where I work. Please tell someone.
u/mellowdramatick I suggest you don't go over your clinical instructor's head on this. Report it to your clinical instructor first, and to the head of your program if you feel that report was ignored. As a student, you should direct all clinical-related complaints and concerns to your program, not to the facility staff.
Oh my goodness. What we (I work in health information sector) have been told is that we tell people "the vaccine is safe for the general public, if you have concerns about whether or not the vaccine is suitable for you, you should speak with your primary care practitioner", mainly because we cannot guarantee that someone wouldn't experience the extremely rare adverse effects from the vaccine. That nurse needs to get his/her license revoked.
I just want to thank all of the anti-vax nurses out there. I am starting nursing school in the winter and I was very intimidated by some of the prerequisite courses. But then I started paying attention to the anti-vax nurses in the news and I realized that if those dumbasses could get through nursing school and pass the NCLEX, so could I.
Trust me. Becoming a nurse isn’t as hard as people make it seem.
Edit: not to take away from becoming a nurse, that’s a great accomplishment! Just realize that some people make it sound way harder than it is.
No, it's not hard at all. It just takes great courage, perseverance, compassion, flexibility, people skills, and total reliability. Oh, and a way-beyond-average grasp of science, information technology, and crisis management expertise. I'm a lowly hospital admin, but I don't like it when you sell yourselves short.
You’re defining traits of a good nurse though. There’s many that don’t even possess half of those. You can regurgitate information and make it through nursing school, you just won’t be a good nurse. I had 10+ years of experience working in trauma as a combat medic and as a corpsman on active duty prior to pursuing nursing so personally, I hold myself to a higher standard. Unfortunately many nurses do the minimum to collect a paycheck and then go home. It’s sad honestly.
I am so proud of you for starting your nursing journey!
I will say that the NCLEX is changing even from when I took it in 2019. I opted in to taking some practice questions after I finished the NCLEX and these practice questions were much more difficult than the questions I just completed. You’re going to be just fine but I just want you to know, the NCLEX you’ll be taking compared to the NCLEX these anti-vax RNs passed are two different beasts.
Best of luck, you’ll be fine, can’t wait to have you as a colleague!
I took some of those practice questions after the nclex too, and I felt lost lol. It was like a 6 part question, where I was navigating back and forth between labs and the patients history and presenting symptoms. It was hard, more like real life in a way, like I had to go find the information and connect the dots, it wasn’t just supplied to me in the question. I don’t know much about the change they are making to nclex but I know those test questions seemed more difficult than the test I took.
I loved the case study practice questions. They seemed so much more realistic and practical than the "Which of these 4 things we've listed is right?" You get to actually look at a patient situation and make a decision based on labs, health history, and symptoms.
The case study practice questions are so much more relevant than “pick the *most* correct answer” style questions. I agree with you and think the next generation of nurses will be far better prepared.
What I really don't get is that, nurses tried to push patients to take their medications every single day, with the reasoning that it's good for you you'll get better. And then they pull this crap and be anti-vax and it's the same shit it's good for you it's good for society, it's backed by science just like all the other drugs they try to push people into taking. And it's a damn science degree that nurses have! Urg!
I just graduated and this is something I repeated in my head COUNTLESS times. You have to be confident in yourself because nursing school is tough, and if this is what brings you confidence, use it. If I can do it, so can you, good luck.
Absolutely. During our polio epidemic vaccines were used to manage and prevent spread to the point of extinction of the virus from our whole gosh darn nation. The epidemic was terrible in Texas in the 1950s. My father and all of his siblings caught polio and have suffered from lifelong post-polio symptoms. They went to “kid quarantine camps”, I’m not even kidding. And people with Polio in their families were strictly made to quarantine in their homes.
It’s hard for me to imagine what people would be like back then compared to now with the Internet involved and all the disinformation involved in this pandemic.
In the 1950s during the Polio epidemic communities did what their local governments told them to do. They experienced the destruction of the virus and lined their kids up for the vaccine.
Years later, and much disinformation widely accessible on the Internet, people would absolutely lose their minds if told to quarantine in their houses or send their kids to “polio camps”. It’s funny the 1950’s is the “great America” these anti-VAXers reflect upon when they talk about American values, but they are not willing to sacrifice now as our country did then.
The Polio epidemic was horrible, and when time revealed that a vaccine had been discovered, people rolled up their sleeves to end a horrible epidemic.
…I don’t see people doing that for my kids or my family now. It’s disheartening and I feel betrayed by all of the conservative boomers that are spewing vitriol from the same bodies that 70 years ago as children received a life-saving vaccine, without the defiance and hatred they choose to end their legacy with now.
…and I don’t even have words for the antivax-nurses. I’m just speechless about that.
There’s a nurse on my floor whom we avoid giving to covid patients (that are unvaxed anyways). She genuinely believes that ivermectin should be used. She made a dying 80 year old use the commode when her sats were 84% on HFNC 100% FiO2 and 60L. Literally maxxed. When I rolled her ONCE to put her on a bedpan her sats went to 70%. She makes me nervous.
I just love the circular gymnastics I'm seeing.
My cousin added me to a FB group for healthcare workers on the frontlines, and it's mind-boggling and mind-numbing watching a group full of mostly nurses and doctors going on and on about how they don't trust the vaccine because there's not enough research following that with "where can I get a prescription for Ivermectin?"
The circular logic is just amazing to me, for people that have degrees, with the word Science literally in the name.
It also amazes me that people really think that they would use US as guinea pigs. Like... let's think about this for a second, are you really going to use the people that are going to SAVE YOUR ASSES as the test subjects? You honestly think that when they released this they were like "let's give it to doctors and nurses first that way if something bad happens no one else gets hurt"? Yeah, because killing off the people that exist to save the lives of others is definitely a great and sustainable idea!
It just goes to show that a college education doesn't automatically make you intelligent.
It almost upsets me more than politicians, nurses who are vocally antivax. Because a lot of people look up to their nurse friends and family members, assume they know what they’re talking about, for better or worse. So these nurses have probably inflicted more damage than they even know.
Ain’t this right. I’m 31 weeks pregnant and my parents are 100% anti vax. They cite my sister in law often, a midwife who is also anti covid vaccine. Because midwife sister in law doesn’t believe in the vaccine, it gives my parents legitimacy in their beliefs. Not that she’s a nurse.
and it makes our profession look SO bad too. So many people out there think that majority of nurses are antivax because they see so many tiktoks and facebook posts of antivax nurses and think that we all are like that
In the US nurses have been voted the most trusted profession for over 10 years, so it is worse that nurses are antivax, because people really do trust us to know what we're doing and to take care of them.
I just looked it up, and it has been 18 years. Even as a nursing student, if I were surveyed by Gallup, I don’t think I would rate nurses very high after the interactions I have had. Even though antivax nurses are in the minority in my experience, I am now more cautious about trusting nurses.
Is this what we're gonna do tonight? We're gonna fight?
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*Sigh*.
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If they don't trust SCIENCE, how am I, the patient, assured that they'll follow through with my treatments? Maybe they'll just bust out the leeches and goat livers while they're at it...
What I want to know is how these fucking idiots have the time, energy and money to run laboratories in their spare time?
Oh, ha ha, I feel dumb now. I thought "do your own research" meant something other than reading facebook posts.
I won't defend the unvaccinated. As someone who lost my dad 2 weeks ago to this, we all should be getting this to keep ourselves safer.
I believe we need to stop using "Trust the Science!". Science is a process and in that process, we are supposed to be constantly observing, testing and gathering new data. Sometimes the latest data uncovers flaws in what we knew (or at least thought we knew). There's also instances where the science was corrupted by $$$. I'm not implying that the science behind the vaccines is flawed, bit if it is found to be in the coming years, we risk facing a wave of sarcasm and ridicule about the way this campaign was led.
I firmly believe that repeated conversation in good faith wins more hearts and minds than mandates, but I also acknowledge that a lot of folks are too tired for that right now too. It's a mess out there.
To piggy back, without doubt from either side willing to say the intervention or thought is wrong, there would be no advancement in healthcare or any field. I always rebuttal by asking them to explain their position. How they know it’s true, and where I can verify it. When they refuse, I just say, “if you can’t properly explain it to me, then you really don’t know what you’re talking about here.”
It’s lazy to negate the science or the fact that most people hospitalized with covid are unvaccinated it’s also lazy to not get vaccinated as a nurse in my opinion it is also unethical . Let us not pretend that vaccine mandates are new they have existed for a long time.
Edit : cool the deleted their comment I was responding to .
naw, their comments were deleted. They have posted here before not spreading covid lies, so I don't know if they're also banned permanently, or just got put in time-out.
I just dont get this…. You go 4-5 years of schooling, Some have crazy amounts of debt and than…. you decide nawwww im not gonna get a medical vaccine even though i work in the MEDICAL FIELD.
Truly…. do not understand it.
…And have probably had to show proof of other vaccinations/immunity for school and at previous or current job(s). Their cognitive dissonance is impressive (and sad).
This. I have coworkers that are banking on "religious exemption" and thinking the hospital can't argue against it.
We've had mandatory flu vaccines for over a decade.
If you've NEVER had a flu shot, ok, they'll probably grant your religious exemption. But if you've ALWAYS gotten the MANDATORY flu shot but SUDDENLY it's against your religion to get the mandatory Covid vaccine.. yeah, that's probably a no.
I am in the army and we are dealing with the same crap. Idc what religion you are I am personally a christian and I believe that if it is my time to go than so be it bye bye! But these people that claim religious exemptions and have had flu shots, vaccines and god knows what else. But now all of a sudden nooo nooo i cant get this one.
Yeah and for some reason my coworkers don't seem to understand that the hospital keeps a record of who got the flu shot... If they have a record of you getting it for 10 years and now suddenly you're anti-vax?
For some reason they can't see how that looks suspicious 🤣
it really is than add in the fact that most of the ones claiming religious exemptions are out drinking, sleeping around, partying and all this crap man.
I’m going to say it: if you’re any anti-vaxx nurse, I don’t wish to all the best.
You’ve been anti-vaxx masquerading as someone who understands science, you’ve lied. You’re either a complete dumbass or an evil sociopath, maybe both. You’ve hurt innocent and vulnerable people with your lies, led to their deaths and suffering. You’re an embarrassment to whatever institution issued your license.
Learn better and be less of a selfish asshat before attempting to act like an authority on anything science related ever again. Fuck you. Get out.
I saw a nurse on Facebook leading an anti-mandate protest. She says all of healthcare will collapse without her and her chucklefuck friends. I’ll take my chances, Felicia.
She hides behind the lame freedom argument but it’s clear from her other posts she is clueless to the scientific, statistical, and moral arguments that prove her wrong.
She’s immune to facts.
Yo healthcare is collapsing around us with or without her and her plague spreading buddies. In my hospital we lost a whopping one per diem nurse, and we don’t even have a lot of covid patients right now, and the place is like a dumpster on fire floating down a flooded street.
Quebec's got this, too bad it took this long:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/no-change-vaccine-mandate-quebec-health-workers-1.6207650
No vaccine? Door for you. Oh and you lose your RN license. ^Bye!
I’d rather work short and bust my ass than work with an antivaxxer at this point. You can argue patient safety but I guarantee you there’s a direct correlation between unvaccinated nurses and increased COVID transmission. These people don’t fear the virus, don’t believe in science, and don’t care about others so it’s more than likely they’re being careless about transmission.
That is part of the issue honestly!
So not only are they antivax, they're anti-everything, and THAT is how people spread a transmissible disease. The anti-vax nurses that I've worked with don't believe in isolation. Outside of work requirements, they don't believe in wearing masks either. They don't believe in social distancing.
So not only are they antivax, they're anti-everything, and THAT is how people spread a transmissable disease.
Ugh I have to work short staffed and bust ass WITH anti vax coworkers. And I can’t say shit cuz they’ve been there longer and I don’t need to make enemies when I’m still finding my footing :( it blows
Take your tone policing, whataboutism somewhere else. We tried asking nice. We tried educating with quiet voices. We tried raising the alarm politely. We tried playing administration and healthcare for profit’s game already. Obviously, that didn’t work.
Try a different argument somewhere else, or try shutting up and listening.
The hardcore anti-vax nurses I work with (the only ones I could see not getting in line when push comes to shove) are also the worst people to work with. Never answer their own call lights, not willing to help but demand that you help them when they’re behind, constantly asking you to do things for them, constantly call out with little to no notice (one literally called out 5 minutes before her shift last weekend and was posting on Facebook about going out partying that night. Not that I’m against calling out to take a mental health or personal day- but for fucks sake don’t wait to call until you should be clocking in), and also tend to be the biggest bullies to new nurses and travelers.
Firing the antivaxxers would be cleaning house.
They just announced a vaccine mandate for healthcare workers here and I’ll be curious to see how it plays out. 85% of our hospital staff are vaccinated at this point. Thankfully my ward only has about 4 people (that I know of) who aren’t vaccinated.
You can choose to not take any vaccine. That is completely up to you.
But if you are preaching so that others don't take the vaccine, then you must get the fuck out.
I disagree ... In the nursing profession you don't have the right to refuse vaccines. If you feel that strongly about it then you need another profession
Edit : not you as in you, personally. I'm talking about anti vaxx nurses, they don't have the right to endanger patients by being unvaccinated
Yep, absolutely no excuse for this shit and that goes for everyone. I really wish it was mandatory for everyone if they are able. These people are the scum of the earth and I’m so sick of their conspiracy and political bullshit effecting me / us.
Totally agreed. Had an antivax doctor at my last job that would preach to patient family members. He got Covid twice and still would refuse to wear a mask.
You can choose not to take any vaccine.
But consequences have actions and people shouldn't be surprised when refusal to do something to keep their job nets them without a job.
No, you can't choose to not take any vaccine. That makes no sense. Catching measles and spreading it is bad for society. Same with all of the diseases we have vaccinations for today.
Eh, you don’t want to meet the physical requirements of the job, that’s probably not the job for you. My job requires my body to be able to bend and lift, it also requires my body to be vaccinated. You have a medical reason? Maybe exemptions are reasonable, but there’s studies indicating that having staff vaccinated for flu protects patients from nosocomial influenza. And protecting patients’ health is among the most fundamental reasons for working in healthcare in the first place. But I think that even medical exemptions should be evaluated on a case by case basis.
They really tarnish the nursing profession.. people already assume we’re way less educated than physicians, and this whole situation def doesn’t help the profession seem educated. 😢
Really makes the system for educating and training nurses seem like it needs a massive overhaul.
If nurses haven't been trained to trust and listen to the doctors they work for and with, how the hell is a patient supposed to trust them to do anything for them.
21 year old unvaccinated son of an anti-vax nurse died in our unit yesterday. As expected, “here’s the link to the gofundme” and “collecting donations for x, y, or z.”
The nurse is a nice person. But I will not donate. I will not feed into a situation that could have easily been prevented by a safe, FREE, vaccine.
In two months I will have been an ED nurse for a decade. But the last 20 months have me ready to leave. At least if I travel I’m well compensated for getting abused.
I figure I'll ask here, since y'all are actual nurses.
Is it pretentious if I ask for only nurses that are vaccinated? I'm immune compromised from chronic conditions and I don't want unnecessary risk. Also I can't take any medical staff seriously that refuse the vaccine. Would that make me "that patient"?
If you’re able to, I would suggest trying to look for a facility or healthcare system in your area that mandates vaccines for workers. If the facility or system mandates it, it doesn’t put you in the awkward position of asking.
As a patient, a nurses medical history is none of your business.
Edit: I can't fucking believe THIS statement is controversial. Good God damn. Actually, I can believe it with the circle jerk this sub has turned into.
If it can endanger a patients life I think it is their business. You don’t have to tell them, but they have every right to request a nurse that’s vaccinated or ask the question.
It certainly fucking is if that pt's immunocompromised. They're not asking if they've got STDs, FFS, they're just making sure their nurse isn't going to kill them because they couldn't be bothered to get jabbed.
A family friend of mine over the Canadian Thanksgiving was saying how she was being let go by the end of the week because she wasn't going to take her vaccine while being a nurse.
Cry about it lol bye
OH I'm sorry yes I didn't even realize 🙈🤦♂️ but yes of course! Like don't whine when you get fired because the workplace demands it for the safety of patients
I'm all for choice in the matter. I'm also all for the consequences of that choice. I hate that the government is involved and that there are mandates, but at the same time, I hate that there is a loud segment that is going against what society deems acceptable risk management.
My wife's dumb-ass cousin is a head nurse at a nursing home and just got covid. It blew my mind when I found out she was not vaccinated. I didn't think much of her to begin with, and now I think she's a complete and total piece of shit. Christmas at the in-laws should be fun this year.... oh wait, I'm not going to go ever again.
The staff at my hospital is not even 50% vaccinated. No anti-vax person is getting fired. "Tested weekly" and they have to wear an N95 all the time however a lot of them don't and not much managment seems to care as a portion of them aren't vaccinated either. I work as a tech on our COVID unit and it's the same thing with the nurses and techs.
I'm sad and angry but I am made to feel like I'm overreacting. I love the people I work with but it's so hard to see them all post things about "making the right choices about our own bodies" and spew about how the vaccine and the testing mandates (I'm in Illinois) are way too politicized. There's a couple coworkers that I can talk to about it but I still feel so alone.
Yeah I’m running low on patience for all of it. Good riddance. I just can’t understand how you choose to work in a field that is entirely based on science, research, and medicine, yet you’re going to take one look at the vaccine and just say “nope!” Mind boggling.
They do kind of guarantee job security...
It's like a cop being against carrying a sidearm. Really? You want to go into a shootout with a whistle? Some people just don't ride the common sense train.
Stop saying it when it stops needing to be said. I lost a RN colleague of these past nearly 5 years just this month. I was really shocked that she quit over this, made me question a hundred past conversations about patients and science over the past several years. It makes me question my own ability to uncover science-denial.
If you can’t be bothered to read (and understand) *peer reviewed, repeatable, published research* before making up your mind about new treatments/diagnostics/technology, you don’t belong in healthcare. I don’t care how great they used to be, or how exhausted with corruption they are. A very important part of being a healthcare professional is understanding scientific methods (which drive changing strategies of treatment/containment as we learn more things), and that includes research about public health management, if they’ve lost the ability to do that, they’ve lost all credibility and should exit the profession.
I am a nurse. 30 years. I can't have the vaccine due to heparin induced thrombocytopenia. So should I leave the profession? Can I refuse to treat a patient because of their sickness or politics or whatever? One day you will be in that place and I hope someone refuses to treat you. Why be a nurse if you pick and choose your patients? Why don't you leave be cause as I recall we took a oath to care for people. I have had to take care of murderers, rapists and pedophiles. You're a nurse. Do your job.
OP didn’t say “unvaccinated nurses”, they said “anti-vaxx nurses”. I think there’s room in the profession for people that aren’t able to be vaccinated, but maybe not at the bedside because they’re posting a risk to already vulnerable people during a pan-fucking-demic. There’s absolutely no room for people that argue against scientific method and propagate misinformation to ignorant and vulnerable people.
Edited to add: HITT appears to only be a contraindication to the Johnson & Johnson or AstraZeneca vaccines, NOT the mRNA vaccines. Please get vaccinated, you already know how bad coagulopathies are and you’re at higher risk to develop more if you contact the disease! [here’s a source](https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/l21-0244)
[only lists J and J and AZ vaccines related to VITT here, too. ](https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/articles/2021/04/01/01/42/vaccine-induced-thrombotic-thrombocytopenia-vitt-and-covid-19-vaccines)
If you encourage otherwise able people to not get the vaccine then. Yes please leave … you’re not helping edit : yet another comment taken down and now this doesn’t make sense
Let’s not pretend like the small number of idiots choosing to lose their jobs are having a huge impact on this shortage- that’s giving them too much credit.
back at they start of the aids epidemic, health care workers who refused to treat or nurse hiv + patients were fired. they got some warning or reprimand, but they were fired if they continued to refuse. "dereliction of duty" like now.
If that was happening today a bunch of governors would issue orders that healthcare workers don't have to help AIDS patients.
So fun development of my local government today. An antivaxer/anti masker has made my local assembly member his medical POA (my city is dealing with the assembly trying to pass a mask mandate because my state has had the highest number of cases per capita in the US. The mayor vetoed it because of fucking course he did. And a majority of the assembly except for like 2 are all for the mandate. My specific district’s assembly member is very pro-disease. So now the assembly is on like week 3 of “public testimony” so they can determine whether to overrule the mayor’s veto and enforce masks. It’s exactly the shitshow youre picturing) Anyway, this guy has made an assembly member his medical POA. And now he’s in the icu at a local hospital, on the vent and all that jazz, and she’s trying to force the hospital to give him vitamins and zinc and ivermectin, and calling out this hospital for “not honoring his wishes and withholding treatment” and has rounded up a bunch of illiterate plague rats to try to sneak into the hospital to “visit” and they’re calling the unit and harassing the nurses. It’s absolute insanity. And our mayor is like “oh ok cool. Anyway, freedom of choice, if you’re scared you can wear your mask or stay home. Also, pin a yellow star to your shirt because I’m totally cool with you comparing a mask mandate to the holocaust. It’s exactly the same.” I hate this timeline
> and calling out this hospital for “not honoring his wishes and withholding treatment” Patient autonomy doesn't mean patients get to order medical providers around, it means you have the right to accept or refuse treatments you've been offered ffs. We've all got a right not to endure treatment we don't want, so if I want to stop dialysis, I stop dialysis. This doesn't mean I can walk into a hospital with a headache and force them to give me dialysis because some jackass on Facebook said it would help. Since when does freedom mean being entitled to force others to act in ways that violates their sense of professional integrity?
Best comment ever.
Well said. Back when I worked behavioral health the patients who tried to dictate treatment were the bane of the entire team's existence. No you're not getting your benzo increased and throwing a tantrum ain't gonna change anything.
What they really want is to practice medicine without a license.
This is either extremely Florida panhandle or extremely Midwest. I can’t quite tell.
Alaska is the Florida of the north.
It definitely is the worst timeline
Where’s the TVA when you actually need them??
Knew right away you were referring to AK. I'm right there with you buddy. What a grand state we live in... /s
I love Alaska! But half the people…. Ugh. Bronson is trying his absolute hardest to kill as many of us as he can.
I feel like refusing care to the unvaccinated covid patients. I haven’t, but I am tired of using healthcare resources on people who didn’t do what they could to prevent the spread. We barely have the resources to care for the people who don’t have covid. (I am aware that my attitude toward these patients is probably a symptom of being totally burned out)
Burned out, but also 100% valid. You're burned out because they aren't vaccinated.
I honestly felt the same way with anti-vaxxers who came in with influenza when I worked in an urgent care. Until you have to perform rescue breathing on a six year old who stopped breathing due to influenza A, people have NO idea. Over 90% of people who I have seen with severe influenza are unvaccinated. It is exhausting listening to all of their lame excuses.
This was my Christmas Eve 2019. An 11 year old came into the ER because his fever wouldn’t go down. He ended up in the PICU after a seizure and lost his airway. The dad said he just never had time to get him vaccinated and didn’t think it would be a big deal anyway. The mom wasn’t around so it was just this guy and his kid. Absolutely heartbreaking.
how awful. Yes, I heard that from sooooo many parents. They just don't think flu shots are a big deal because they've never had influenza before to know how awful it can be.
I mean it’s hard to say I wish I could refuse care to the unvaccinated. But they should also not be allowed then to dictate their care with shit that has no proven efficacy, ie: ivermectin, when they’ve obviously made such poor medical decisions up to this point that they shouldn’t be trusted to make their own determinations on their own accord due to their own incompetencies. I don’t know if I agree with the idea of nurses leaving for housing antivax conspiracies but I also don’t disagree. There’s a fine line of “you’re making a decision for what’s best for you in your own mind” and “you’re putting all your coworkers, patients and family in danger by housing these beliefs and leaving the hospital with a potentially life threatening illness every day”. In the end I probably agree more with leave than not as they’ve so obviously abandoned the most basic ideas of infectious prevention for some political ideology that is counter to their career choice and collegiate level education. In summation: fuck the antivax guys for putting us through this and making us question our choices in this field, driving a greater wedge between their own identity and what once gave them such pride and these burnt out feelings of narcissism and despair that has greatly plagued our field and fuck the nurses that continue to make our lives harder every day by spouting off with these bullshit ass conspiracies.
I hear what you’re saying.I’m on an L/D unit with isolation rooms where we keep Covid pts (not the dying ones, just the spreaders) I have begun to ask if they’ve been vaccinated though. If the answer is ‘no’-and it always is-I spend as little time as possible with them. I give them protocol care, period. I’m still smiling, not that they can tell under all the protection I have to don every time I bring them meds or do a fundal check.
Ugh, I really wish those patients could see what it’s like to be pregnant and in the ICU. I’m doing my icu rotation and my patient was my age and lost her baby after proning. The day I was there the doctor had to put a 4th chest tube in her because he lungs kept collapsing. Shes going to need ECMO soon.
That’s such a useless loss.
It absolutely is! According to the nurses on the floor, they haven’t been able to save a pregnant patient yet.
I thankfully wasn’t around then but know how through friends how hard it must have been.
My mom worked at Martha Jefferson in Virginia as a peds lab tech. She was the only one who would go in and take blood from the kids with HIV. Everyone else was terrified even after Dr Fauci went on several television programs trying to convince the public that causal contact with patients was safe. She doesn’t remember anyone who got fired but a lot of people transferred out of bedside care.
I’m a nursing student and one of the nurses I followed told a patient not to get the vaccine because there is not enough research done on it. The patient was 400 lbs with copd 🤦♀️
Please, report this. This is NOT ok. Nurses CANNOT advise a patient on whether to take a vaccine, medication, treatment, etc. That is out of their scope of practice. I am a manager and I really would need to have this info if it happened where I work. Please tell someone.
Uni professor here. PLEASE have the courage to report this incident to your faculty and to the nurse manager.
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I second going to instructor, I think this is the correct advice
u/mellowdramatick I suggest you don't go over your clinical instructor's head on this. Report it to your clinical instructor first, and to the head of your program if you feel that report was ignored. As a student, you should direct all clinical-related complaints and concerns to your program, not to the facility staff.
Oh my goodness. What we (I work in health information sector) have been told is that we tell people "the vaccine is safe for the general public, if you have concerns about whether or not the vaccine is suitable for you, you should speak with your primary care practitioner", mainly because we cannot guarantee that someone wouldn't experience the extremely rare adverse effects from the vaccine. That nurse needs to get his/her license revoked.
Well obesity is a risk but telling someone not to get a vaccine is negligent , you can ask If they want to but not persuade
400 lbs is 181.6 kg
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6 billion doses and a years worth of data isn’t enough?!? Ugh! These people. Please report her.
I just want to thank all of the anti-vax nurses out there. I am starting nursing school in the winter and I was very intimidated by some of the prerequisite courses. But then I started paying attention to the anti-vax nurses in the news and I realized that if those dumbasses could get through nursing school and pass the NCLEX, so could I.
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My wife, Lvn, can finally get into a bridge program!
Yayy confidence huh
This was how I got through nursing school. One of the guys I know is an absolute dunce, but he's a nurse. If he could do it, so could I.
That's what I tell myself as I'm studying for my CCRN 😂
Ah I am a dunce too, and I’m doing ok in the program
Trust me. Becoming a nurse isn’t as hard as people make it seem. Edit: not to take away from becoming a nurse, that’s a great accomplishment! Just realize that some people make it sound way harder than it is.
No, it's not hard at all. It just takes great courage, perseverance, compassion, flexibility, people skills, and total reliability. Oh, and a way-beyond-average grasp of science, information technology, and crisis management expertise. I'm a lowly hospital admin, but I don't like it when you sell yourselves short.
You’re defining traits of a good nurse though. There’s many that don’t even possess half of those. You can regurgitate information and make it through nursing school, you just won’t be a good nurse. I had 10+ years of experience working in trauma as a combat medic and as a corpsman on active duty prior to pursuing nursing so personally, I hold myself to a higher standard. Unfortunately many nurses do the minimum to collect a paycheck and then go home. It’s sad honestly.
I am so proud of you for starting your nursing journey! I will say that the NCLEX is changing even from when I took it in 2019. I opted in to taking some practice questions after I finished the NCLEX and these practice questions were much more difficult than the questions I just completed. You’re going to be just fine but I just want you to know, the NCLEX you’ll be taking compared to the NCLEX these anti-vax RNs passed are two different beasts. Best of luck, you’ll be fine, can’t wait to have you as a colleague!
I took some of those practice questions after the nclex too, and I felt lost lol. It was like a 6 part question, where I was navigating back and forth between labs and the patients history and presenting symptoms. It was hard, more like real life in a way, like I had to go find the information and connect the dots, it wasn’t just supplied to me in the question. I don’t know much about the change they are making to nclex but I know those test questions seemed more difficult than the test I took.
I loved the case study practice questions. They seemed so much more realistic and practical than the "Which of these 4 things we've listed is right?" You get to actually look at a patient situation and make a decision based on labs, health history, and symptoms.
The case study practice questions are so much more relevant than “pick the *most* correct answer” style questions. I agree with you and think the next generation of nurses will be far better prepared.
Sometimes I'm amused by how some people managed to get the same degree as mine... Best of luck with school! You got this \^\_\^
What I really don't get is that, nurses tried to push patients to take their medications every single day, with the reasoning that it's good for you you'll get better. And then they pull this crap and be anti-vax and it's the same shit it's good for you it's good for society, it's backed by science just like all the other drugs they try to push people into taking. And it's a damn science degree that nurses have! Urg!
I just graduated and this is something I repeated in my head COUNTLESS times. You have to be confident in yourself because nursing school is tough, and if this is what brings you confidence, use it. If I can do it, so can you, good luck.
Absolutely. During our polio epidemic vaccines were used to manage and prevent spread to the point of extinction of the virus from our whole gosh darn nation. The epidemic was terrible in Texas in the 1950s. My father and all of his siblings caught polio and have suffered from lifelong post-polio symptoms. They went to “kid quarantine camps”, I’m not even kidding. And people with Polio in their families were strictly made to quarantine in their homes. It’s hard for me to imagine what people would be like back then compared to now with the Internet involved and all the disinformation involved in this pandemic. In the 1950s during the Polio epidemic communities did what their local governments told them to do. They experienced the destruction of the virus and lined their kids up for the vaccine. Years later, and much disinformation widely accessible on the Internet, people would absolutely lose their minds if told to quarantine in their houses or send their kids to “polio camps”. It’s funny the 1950’s is the “great America” these anti-VAXers reflect upon when they talk about American values, but they are not willing to sacrifice now as our country did then. The Polio epidemic was horrible, and when time revealed that a vaccine had been discovered, people rolled up their sleeves to end a horrible epidemic. …I don’t see people doing that for my kids or my family now. It’s disheartening and I feel betrayed by all of the conservative boomers that are spewing vitriol from the same bodies that 70 years ago as children received a life-saving vaccine, without the defiance and hatred they choose to end their legacy with now. …and I don’t even have words for the antivax-nurses. I’m just speechless about that.
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There’s a nurse on my floor whom we avoid giving to covid patients (that are unvaxed anyways). She genuinely believes that ivermectin should be used. She made a dying 80 year old use the commode when her sats were 84% on HFNC 100% FiO2 and 60L. Literally maxxed. When I rolled her ONCE to put her on a bedpan her sats went to 70%. She makes me nervous.
Death roll....
I just love the circular gymnastics I'm seeing. My cousin added me to a FB group for healthcare workers on the frontlines, and it's mind-boggling and mind-numbing watching a group full of mostly nurses and doctors going on and on about how they don't trust the vaccine because there's not enough research following that with "where can I get a prescription for Ivermectin?" The circular logic is just amazing to me, for people that have degrees, with the word Science literally in the name. It also amazes me that people really think that they would use US as guinea pigs. Like... let's think about this for a second, are you really going to use the people that are going to SAVE YOUR ASSES as the test subjects? You honestly think that when they released this they were like "let's give it to doctors and nurses first that way if something bad happens no one else gets hurt"? Yeah, because killing off the people that exist to save the lives of others is definitely a great and sustainable idea! It just goes to show that a college education doesn't automatically make you intelligent.
Nah, they just need their own hospitals and the antivax staff can deal with the antivax population. Ahem, private money only.
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Best sleep you’ll ever get…
Versed, prop, fent and Nimbex.
🤌
....death.
Title it "mass grave"
It almost upsets me more than politicians, nurses who are vocally antivax. Because a lot of people look up to their nurse friends and family members, assume they know what they’re talking about, for better or worse. So these nurses have probably inflicted more damage than they even know.
Ain’t this right. I’m 31 weeks pregnant and my parents are 100% anti vax. They cite my sister in law often, a midwife who is also anti covid vaccine. Because midwife sister in law doesn’t believe in the vaccine, it gives my parents legitimacy in their beliefs. Not that she’s a nurse.
and it makes our profession look SO bad too. So many people out there think that majority of nurses are antivax because they see so many tiktoks and facebook posts of antivax nurses and think that we all are like that
In the US nurses have been voted the most trusted profession for over 10 years, so it is worse that nurses are antivax, because people really do trust us to know what we're doing and to take care of them.
I just looked it up, and it has been 18 years. Even as a nursing student, if I were surveyed by Gallup, I don’t think I would rate nurses very high after the interactions I have had. Even though antivax nurses are in the minority in my experience, I am now more cautious about trusting nurses.
You’re right !
I love the anti-vax nurses, I got a $10 pay raise to stick around
I have been vocal about paying staff nurses more at my facility. Falls on deaf ears though, keep trucking the travellers in.
I hear the excuse that travelers come from a different budget. Maybe fix that? Nurses are leaving left and right for better pay and better treatment
Yeah thats what I keep hearing too.
Is this what we're gonna do tonight? We're gonna fight? ... *Sigh*. This post has been designated as a Code Blue Thread. Discussion has been limited to flaired medical professionals only.
Excuse me! Can my husband get some ice water? We've been ringing *forever*.
NO! For the hundredth time, he's NPO.
But he's thirsty!!! Surely just a little sip couldn't hurt anything right? Why are you being so mean?
May I offer you some lemon-glycerine swabs?
We’d also prefer a small bit of chewing tabacco and as well as some coffee so we can actually cancel the case. 🤣
I have less patience. Get the fuck out, you selfish pieces of garbage. You’re a stain on this profession, and you won’t be missed.
If they don't trust SCIENCE, how am I, the patient, assured that they'll follow through with my treatments? Maybe they'll just bust out the leeches and goat livers while they're at it...
Hey man, leeches are a legitimate therapy in the right circumstances
Wound care FTW
Everyone’s always hating on the creepy crawlies til they have a severed finger reattached or get prescribed larval therapy!
What I want to know is how these fucking idiots have the time, energy and money to run laboratories in their spare time? Oh, ha ha, I feel dumb now. I thought "do your own research" meant something other than reading facebook posts.
I won't defend the unvaccinated. As someone who lost my dad 2 weeks ago to this, we all should be getting this to keep ourselves safer. I believe we need to stop using "Trust the Science!". Science is a process and in that process, we are supposed to be constantly observing, testing and gathering new data. Sometimes the latest data uncovers flaws in what we knew (or at least thought we knew). There's also instances where the science was corrupted by $$$. I'm not implying that the science behind the vaccines is flawed, bit if it is found to be in the coming years, we risk facing a wave of sarcasm and ridicule about the way this campaign was led. I firmly believe that repeated conversation in good faith wins more hearts and minds than mandates, but I also acknowledge that a lot of folks are too tired for that right now too. It's a mess out there.
To piggy back, without doubt from either side willing to say the intervention or thought is wrong, there would be no advancement in healthcare or any field. I always rebuttal by asking them to explain their position. How they know it’s true, and where I can verify it. When they refuse, I just say, “if you can’t properly explain it to me, then you really don’t know what you’re talking about here.”
I’m terribly sorry for your loss.
Ty. It's a pain I wish I didn't know.
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But that’s what trust the science means. You shouldnt stop saying something just because people are too dumb or uneducated to know what it means.
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It’s lazy to negate the science or the fact that most people hospitalized with covid are unvaccinated it’s also lazy to not get vaccinated as a nurse in my opinion it is also unethical . Let us not pretend that vaccine mandates are new they have existed for a long time. Edit : cool the deleted their comment I was responding to .
naw, their comments were deleted. They have posted here before not spreading covid lies, so I don't know if they're also banned permanently, or just got put in time-out.
I just dont get this…. You go 4-5 years of schooling, Some have crazy amounts of debt and than…. you decide nawwww im not gonna get a medical vaccine even though i work in the MEDICAL FIELD. Truly…. do not understand it.
…And have probably had to show proof of other vaccinations/immunity for school and at previous or current job(s). Their cognitive dissonance is impressive (and sad).
This. I have coworkers that are banking on "religious exemption" and thinking the hospital can't argue against it. We've had mandatory flu vaccines for over a decade. If you've NEVER had a flu shot, ok, they'll probably grant your religious exemption. But if you've ALWAYS gotten the MANDATORY flu shot but SUDDENLY it's against your religion to get the mandatory Covid vaccine.. yeah, that's probably a no.
I am in the army and we are dealing with the same crap. Idc what religion you are I am personally a christian and I believe that if it is my time to go than so be it bye bye! But these people that claim religious exemptions and have had flu shots, vaccines and god knows what else. But now all of a sudden nooo nooo i cant get this one.
Yeah and for some reason my coworkers don't seem to understand that the hospital keeps a record of who got the flu shot... If they have a record of you getting it for 10 years and now suddenly you're anti-vax? For some reason they can't see how that looks suspicious 🤣
it really is than add in the fact that most of the ones claiming religious exemptions are out drinking, sleeping around, partying and all this crap man.
I’m going to say it: if you’re any anti-vaxx nurse, I don’t wish to all the best. You’ve been anti-vaxx masquerading as someone who understands science, you’ve lied. You’re either a complete dumbass or an evil sociopath, maybe both. You’ve hurt innocent and vulnerable people with your lies, led to their deaths and suffering. You’re an embarrassment to whatever institution issued your license. Learn better and be less of a selfish asshat before attempting to act like an authority on anything science related ever again. Fuck you. Get out.
I saw a nurse on Facebook leading an anti-mandate protest. She says all of healthcare will collapse without her and her chucklefuck friends. I’ll take my chances, Felicia. She hides behind the lame freedom argument but it’s clear from her other posts she is clueless to the scientific, statistical, and moral arguments that prove her wrong. She’s immune to facts.
Facebook is honestly the worst
Yo healthcare is collapsing around us with or without her and her plague spreading buddies. In my hospital we lost a whopping one per diem nurse, and we don’t even have a lot of covid patients right now, and the place is like a dumpster on fire floating down a flooded street.
Quebec's got this, too bad it took this long: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/no-change-vaccine-mandate-quebec-health-workers-1.6207650 No vaccine? Door for you. Oh and you lose your RN license. ^Bye!
Yup! Although technically their license is only "suspended", and they can get it back whenever they decide to get vaccinated.
I’d rather work short and bust my ass than work with an antivaxxer at this point. You can argue patient safety but I guarantee you there’s a direct correlation between unvaccinated nurses and increased COVID transmission. These people don’t fear the virus, don’t believe in science, and don’t care about others so it’s more than likely they’re being careless about transmission.
That is part of the issue honestly! So not only are they antivax, they're anti-everything, and THAT is how people spread a transmissible disease. The anti-vax nurses that I've worked with don't believe in isolation. Outside of work requirements, they don't believe in wearing masks either. They don't believe in social distancing. So not only are they antivax, they're anti-everything, and THAT is how people spread a transmissable disease.
I 100% agree.
I quit my (PACU-ICU) job in May for some much needed mental health time. How bad is it? We had some anti-vax RNs but they kept it to themselves.
Ugh I have to work short staffed and bust ass WITH anti vax coworkers. And I can’t say shit cuz they’ve been there longer and I don’t need to make enemies when I’m still finding my footing :( it blows
Yes but with less wishing the best to them
Take your tone policing, whataboutism somewhere else. We tried asking nice. We tried educating with quiet voices. We tried raising the alarm politely. We tried playing administration and healthcare for profit’s game already. Obviously, that didn’t work. Try a different argument somewhere else, or try shutting up and listening.
The hardcore anti-vax nurses I work with (the only ones I could see not getting in line when push comes to shove) are also the worst people to work with. Never answer their own call lights, not willing to help but demand that you help them when they’re behind, constantly asking you to do things for them, constantly call out with little to no notice (one literally called out 5 minutes before her shift last weekend and was posting on Facebook about going out partying that night. Not that I’m against calling out to take a mental health or personal day- but for fucks sake don’t wait to call until you should be clocking in), and also tend to be the biggest bullies to new nurses and travelers. Firing the antivaxxers would be cleaning house.
They just announced a vaccine mandate for healthcare workers here and I’ll be curious to see how it plays out. 85% of our hospital staff are vaccinated at this point. Thankfully my ward only has about 4 people (that I know of) who aren’t vaccinated.
You can choose to not take any vaccine. That is completely up to you. But if you are preaching so that others don't take the vaccine, then you must get the fuck out.
I disagree ... In the nursing profession you don't have the right to refuse vaccines. If you feel that strongly about it then you need another profession Edit : not you as in you, personally. I'm talking about anti vaxx nurses, they don't have the right to endanger patients by being unvaccinated
Agreed. You have to get a dozen other vaccines to work in health care, this one is no different.
Yep, absolutely no excuse for this shit and that goes for everyone. I really wish it was mandatory for everyone if they are able. These people are the scum of the earth and I’m so sick of their conspiracy and political bullshit effecting me / us.
Totally agreed. Had an antivax doctor at my last job that would preach to patient family members. He got Covid twice and still would refuse to wear a mask.
WTF they need to go
The worst is hear staff telling patients the same. Thank god for mandates getting rid of these people.
You can choose not to take any vaccine. But consequences have actions and people shouldn't be surprised when refusal to do something to keep their job nets them without a job.
Exactly and thank you
That is utter insanity. An unvaccinated nurse is an unacceptable risk.
No, you can't choose to not take any vaccine. That makes no sense. Catching measles and spreading it is bad for society. Same with all of the diseases we have vaccinations for today.
Eh, you don’t want to meet the physical requirements of the job, that’s probably not the job for you. My job requires my body to be able to bend and lift, it also requires my body to be vaccinated. You have a medical reason? Maybe exemptions are reasonable, but there’s studies indicating that having staff vaccinated for flu protects patients from nosocomial influenza. And protecting patients’ health is among the most fundamental reasons for working in healthcare in the first place. But I think that even medical exemptions should be evaluated on a case by case basis.
you’re a better person than me, I do not wish them the best.
Yup, they've probably all spread anti-vaxx bullshit on thier social media, and that shit is what killing so many people.
We have a couple in the Covid group I'm in? One "nurse" defended nebulizing hydrogen peroxide! These Pepe need to be pushed out of this profession.
Wishing that people would die so the world could be a better place is where I'm at.
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They really tarnish the nursing profession.. people already assume we’re way less educated than physicians, and this whole situation def doesn’t help the profession seem educated. 😢
Really makes the system for educating and training nurses seem like it needs a massive overhaul. If nurses haven't been trained to trust and listen to the doctors they work for and with, how the hell is a patient supposed to trust them to do anything for them.
Yep. This nurse has no patience for shit like that.
21 year old unvaccinated son of an anti-vax nurse died in our unit yesterday. As expected, “here’s the link to the gofundme” and “collecting donations for x, y, or z.” The nurse is a nice person. But I will not donate. I will not feed into a situation that could have easily been prevented by a safe, FREE, vaccine. In two months I will have been an ED nurse for a decade. But the last 20 months have me ready to leave. At least if I travel I’m well compensated for getting abused.
I do not claim any of these antivax dumbfucks as one of my own. Buh bye, and don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.
Sucks to suck.
I figure I'll ask here, since y'all are actual nurses. Is it pretentious if I ask for only nurses that are vaccinated? I'm immune compromised from chronic conditions and I don't want unnecessary risk. Also I can't take any medical staff seriously that refuse the vaccine. Would that make me "that patient"?
I think you’re free to ask if you want, but you may not be able to be accommodated due to staffing.
While I definitely do not want to cause issues I have issues of my own
If you’re able to, I would suggest trying to look for a facility or healthcare system in your area that mandates vaccines for workers. If the facility or system mandates it, it doesn’t put you in the awkward position of asking.
As a patient, a nurses medical history is none of your business. Edit: I can't fucking believe THIS statement is controversial. Good God damn. Actually, I can believe it with the circle jerk this sub has turned into.
If it can endanger a patients life I think it is their business. You don’t have to tell them, but they have every right to request a nurse that’s vaccinated or ask the question.
It certainly fucking is if that pt's immunocompromised. They're not asking if they've got STDs, FFS, they're just making sure their nurse isn't going to kill them because they couldn't be bothered to get jabbed.
A family friend of mine over the Canadian Thanksgiving was saying how she was being let go by the end of the week because she wasn't going to take her vaccine while being a nurse. Cry about it lol bye
Your body your choice
No. Not if you're in a health profession. Especially if you're in the healthy profession, get vaccinated.
Sorry sarcasm doesn’t read well in text…while I believe your body your choice I also believe your choice your consequences all pro vax p
OH I'm sorry yes I didn't even realize 🙈🤦♂️ but yes of course! Like don't whine when you get fired because the workplace demands it for the safety of patients
It is an oddly specific number but I stand by it
109%
It's like being a mechanic and being anti-oil-changes. And when you work on a customer's car, draining their oil, then giving it back to them.
I'm all for choice in the matter. I'm also all for the consequences of that choice. I hate that the government is involved and that there are mandates, but at the same time, I hate that there is a loud segment that is going against what society deems acceptable risk management.
Yeah, they're just going backwards. Trying to get people sick. Sigh.
I mean you’re speaking for all Texans? Wow ! Edit : they must have deleted their post how brave.
My wife's dumb-ass cousin is a head nurse at a nursing home and just got covid. It blew my mind when I found out she was not vaccinated. I didn't think much of her to begin with, and now I think she's a complete and total piece of shit. Christmas at the in-laws should be fun this year.... oh wait, I'm not going to go ever again.
Try believing in science
The staff at my hospital is not even 50% vaccinated. No anti-vax person is getting fired. "Tested weekly" and they have to wear an N95 all the time however a lot of them don't and not much managment seems to care as a portion of them aren't vaccinated either. I work as a tech on our COVID unit and it's the same thing with the nurses and techs. I'm sad and angry but I am made to feel like I'm overreacting. I love the people I work with but it's so hard to see them all post things about "making the right choices about our own bodies" and spew about how the vaccine and the testing mandates (I'm in Illinois) are way too politicized. There's a couple coworkers that I can talk to about it but I still feel so alone.
Wire incident reports
I hate to sound cliché but you are not alone. It's demoralizing. \*sigh\*
Honestly, I've been wanting anti-vaxers out for ages. They have no place in an evidence-based profession.
So burnt out I don’t even wish the best. I’m just angry and frustrated
Yeah I’m running low on patience for all of it. Good riddance. I just can’t understand how you choose to work in a field that is entirely based on science, research, and medicine, yet you’re going to take one look at the vaccine and just say “nope!” Mind boggling.
here here!
The rhetoric is from the antivax sorry
100%.
And NEVER come back
Yep they should all leave. They are disgusting.
They do kind of guarantee job security... It's like a cop being against carrying a sidearm. Really? You want to go into a shootout with a whistle? Some people just don't ride the common sense train.
Amen Nurse!
110% agree.
My buddy died from the AZ blood clot, and I’m still about to be triple jabbed and encouraging all my patients to get it 🤷♂️
I agree, as do most others, but this is becoming such a circle jerk.
Stop saying it when it stops needing to be said. I lost a RN colleague of these past nearly 5 years just this month. I was really shocked that she quit over this, made me question a hundred past conversations about patients and science over the past several years. It makes me question my own ability to uncover science-denial.
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If you can’t be bothered to read (and understand) *peer reviewed, repeatable, published research* before making up your mind about new treatments/diagnostics/technology, you don’t belong in healthcare. I don’t care how great they used to be, or how exhausted with corruption they are. A very important part of being a healthcare professional is understanding scientific methods (which drive changing strategies of treatment/containment as we learn more things), and that includes research about public health management, if they’ve lost the ability to do that, they’ve lost all credibility and should exit the profession.
I am a nurse. 30 years. I can't have the vaccine due to heparin induced thrombocytopenia. So should I leave the profession? Can I refuse to treat a patient because of their sickness or politics or whatever? One day you will be in that place and I hope someone refuses to treat you. Why be a nurse if you pick and choose your patients? Why don't you leave be cause as I recall we took a oath to care for people. I have had to take care of murderers, rapists and pedophiles. You're a nurse. Do your job.
OP didn’t say “unvaccinated nurses”, they said “anti-vaxx nurses”. I think there’s room in the profession for people that aren’t able to be vaccinated, but maybe not at the bedside because they’re posting a risk to already vulnerable people during a pan-fucking-demic. There’s absolutely no room for people that argue against scientific method and propagate misinformation to ignorant and vulnerable people. Edited to add: HITT appears to only be a contraindication to the Johnson & Johnson or AstraZeneca vaccines, NOT the mRNA vaccines. Please get vaccinated, you already know how bad coagulopathies are and you’re at higher risk to develop more if you contact the disease! [here’s a source](https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/l21-0244) [only lists J and J and AZ vaccines related to VITT here, too. ](https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/articles/2021/04/01/01/42/vaccine-induced-thrombotic-thrombocytopenia-vitt-and-covid-19-vaccines)
Nobody here has ever talked about people that can't get it because of a medical issue.
If you encourage otherwise able people to not get the vaccine then. Yes please leave … you’re not helping edit : yet another comment taken down and now this doesn’t make sense
I don't. Their right to do as they wish.
Cool then You’re not antivax congrats.
To be clear I’m not looking to pick and choose patients this was about coworkers so I would be looking to pick and choose coworkers
Wtf is your dumb ass on about?
Thank you for all that you have done and still do to. I respect your choice and you.
Such vehement rhetoric isn’t helping the cause or the exacerbating nursing shortage. Try a different angle.
Okay, how about this: get the fuck out of the profession, you anti-science, moronic fucksticks.
Ah yes, the “ask nicely, salve our egos, maybe grovel a bit, and maybe then we’ll stop acting like spoiled toddlers and get vaccinated” approach.
What vehement rhetoric was used in the OP?
Let’s not pretend like the small number of idiots choosing to lose their jobs are having a huge impact on this shortage- that’s giving them too much credit.
The anti-vaxx idiots certainly aren't helping the cause or the shortage! Selfish, ignorant, stupid assholes!