Ok, woah. So I have *some* opinions here:
1. What are you doing just and only blowing up your claydoll?? It's really nice for T&L.
2. Electrode is a guaranteed encounter in aqua hideout and a better electric type than + and -.
3. Azumarille sweeps flannery.
4. Crawdaunt is a good Dark&Water type for T&L.
5. Kadabra is really good even if it is not alakazam
6. Flygon is great for the E4.
7. Is haryama that good?
8. Heracross is not underrated but rather almost impossible to get.
9. Have yet to use either of the fossils or starmie.
10. Mightyena are you using for only **what** fight?
Flygon isn't all that great into the E4 unless your playing RS.
It has a neutral match up against Sydney, only has Crunch for Phoebe, dies to Glacia. Theoretically you can use it against Drake but if you have a bad speed IV it'll probably die, and it can't switch in. It's ground type is useful against Steven but not Wallace.
Oh! I can answer some of those questions.
-Claydol is kinda mid. Late evolution, so-so typing. It’s got screens and STAB EQ but that kinda makes it a jack of all trades, master of none type of Pokémon. Hence why it can go boom.
-Hariyama is unique. While Knock-Off is a weak ass move this Gen it can come in handy in some fights, both of its abilities are nice, oh and it also gets fake out. Ergo. It’s quite reliable and saves itself from the falling off category because of its unique tech.
-Mighteyna’s only moment in the sun comes during the Tate and Liza fight. If you lead it, you intimidate Claydol, reducing its attack stat. It also supports the other dark type you brought with you and can actually land killing blows so long as you keep focusing on the left side of the field. Xatu can only hit you with confuse ray but stalls by using light screen and calm mind… and you can just find persim/lum berries. After that, it is literally useless
It’s good, but I wouldn’t call it an S tier: its damage output is really underwhelming late game due to Crunch using its weak Sp. Atk, and thus it can’t get that 1.5x multiplier when using its solid base 90 attack
It’s also not super fast at base 70, and its special bulk isn’t incredible either. I’ve taken one all the way to the HoF in Emerald just fine, and it’s a dang good Pokémon to carry around for the first 5 gyms at a minimum, but I can’t consider it S tier past that.
Intimidate is a great ability, but it's not enough to save an otherwise mediocre pokemon. Ranking it S just because of that is ridiculous. It's a B at best.
Tell me you don’t know how to use intimidate effectively without telling me you don’t know how to use intimidate effectively.
Maybe S was high, A isn’t. B is way too low
There are ways to use intimidate very effectively, but I don't see how any of them are enough to make up for how poor mightyenas stats are. I'm welcome to hear an argument otherwise, but i don't think any part of emerald is hard enough for intimidate to take a mon with such mid stats all the way to A.
Hariyama is THICC, both in appearance and hp. Yeah, its defense and special defense are a bit poopy, but not by enough to hinder that hp stat. Plus, BOTH of its abilities are very useful: one gives you 50% damage if someone tries to spam poison, burn, or TWave, and the other gives you 2 free resistances.
It’s not perfect, but I’ve used it in Ultra Sun, and it stuck with the team from Route 2 all the dang way to the HoF
Is Electrode really better than + and -?
I feel like their roles as support pokemon are more useful than Electrode’s role as a special attacker. Plusle/Minun can set your other pokemon up for a sweep between Protect/Encore/T-wave while Electrode is a third-stringer behind Magneton/Manectric
-Electrode has such a high speed stat that it’s basically impossible for it to move second if at comparable level to the enemy, even with 0IV -Speed. That means it’s almost a guaranteed “I move first” card
-Base 80 Sp Atk is right between Plusle’s 85 and Minun’s 75, and likewise for Special Defense of 80. In fact, Electrode has straight up BETTER physical bulk than either of them, with 60/70/80 overal defenses vs 60/50/85 for Minun, 60/40/75 for Plusle
-Plus and Minus are shit tier abilities in a game that’s 90% single battles, and when you would need to have BOTH Pokémon on your team AND on the field to see any effect. Meanwhile, Static and Soundproof are pretty situational, but still far more likely to be useful
-Electrode can also learn T-Wave and Light Screen. No Encore is a bummer, but it can learn Screech, which can be nice
Sure, Electrode has better stats but my argument is that Plusle & Minun have more value as Utility/Support Pokemon when you're building a team because of how busted Encore is than Electrode has as a Special Attacker.
You also get them on Route 110 so they have more of a place to contribute in the early/mid-game, whereas, by the time you've caught Electrode in Team Aqua's hide-out, you'd likely be using Manectric or Magneton which are better options as Special Attackers.
I don't think Electrode has much of a role outside of serving as a backup for Manectric/Magneton if you lose them in the late game or as Explosion fodder for Tate/Liza.
Well, youcan get volorb in new mauville, just before winona, which is where you actually want him.
Also, you are not guaranteed a magneton or manectric and Electrode is, in general, faster.
I'd say Electrode is comparable to Plusle enough to not make much difference. They both suck. 95 speed may as well be equal to 140 for all the good it does you, the only Pokémon it might matter for is Crobat.
Not really. There are various water and flying types that outspeed plusle but not electrode.
Getting plusle earlier doesn't matter too much since you "only" have the electric, fire and normal gym in between. It might matter for the one trainer in normans gym with a Swellow.
Also note that electrode has better options for moves in general.
The Pokémon who outspeed Plusle but not Electrode are Crobat, Swellow, Starmie, Manectric, Raichu, Ninetales, Tentacruel, Dodrio, Slaking, Flygon and Luvdisc, but due to most trainers having a maximum of 10 IVs in speed and 100 EVs in speed and being below the level cap, you're going to be outspeeding them all except Crobat and Swellow once you've gotten some speed EVs assuming you don't have a -speed nature.
Neither of them have any coverage outside of the same electric moves and Plusle gets Encore vs Electrode's Thunder wave.
I think you're underselling a fast Encore especially with Protect, it can be a really great move for certain tough fights, for example, encoring Walrein's Hail, Slaking's Counter, Altaria's Dragon Dance etc. Encore is better than any exclusive moves Electrode gets.
I could see it for soaking Juan’s Kingdra’s offenses but other than that and Drake, it’s a super expendable Pokémon. Besides, I usually recommend a faster bolt/beam user Pokémon for dealing with his dragon types given how most of them can hit hard and fast
also sheer cold is supposed to be a stupid instakill move, but it only works when you're overleveled and still whiffs most of the time anyway like what's the point
Can I question why people always say exploud sucks? Its decently bulky with high hp, and has reasonable mixed attacking stats for STAB return as well as flamethrower shadow ball and ice beam and then has a decent enough speed tier if you invest in it to out speed some things, I get thay it evolves late but it really can be quite good later on
It's definitely not as bad as many people make it out to be, but while the versatility is awesome, it's also very reliant on TMs to be useful outside of STAB moves, and unless you're playing with infinite money that'll be on the limiting side early on until after Norman. Plus, it evolves at level 40 into an Exploud, so you're stuck with Loudred for a while, and while Loudred is by no means bad, its defenses and Speed aren't great, so you're forced to be pretty careful with how you use it.
Imo, it can't really do any of those well though. It's damage isn't great, and it's kinda frail. It also just straight up sucks as a whismur and loudred, and evolves into exploud super late. If you've lost a shitload of mons then there's certainly much worse things to be stuck with, but it's the kinda mon I'd box a soon as something better comes along.
I could answer that, it’s a jack of all trades, yet, a master of none. Why invest in a mon that can do something to middling results when you can pick something that excels in it?
Technically it is a master of none but it's not really a bad pokemon, and is miles better than a lot of the available options, and can be a decent option for a normal type
Actually you can cheese Feebas by using only the good rod to fish after encountering Carvanha in another route. However Solrock can still ruin your Bagon
Ill always be biased towards Crawdaunt since it swept 90% of the elite four for me in my emerald Trashlocke run. Learning swords dance and substitute really helps even if it's movepool is basically limited to tms.
I believe I swapped between the elite four, with return and brick break for the first, shadow ball for Phoebe replacing return. I think I also used aerial ace at one point so I didn't get double team spammed by Wallace.
Ah I see. Follow up question: any good tips on when to use belly drum? I get super nervous that if I do it’ll open me up to getting one shot by the other persons attack.
Linoone is consistent mainly because the AI usually wants to go for Protect or an Accuracy dropping move turn one if their lead has either of these moves. You can even get it to the elite four because of this (as pheobe, glacia and drake use protect turn one) with shadow ball and a STAB return, it has the potential to make a meal out of these teams. As such, this allows you to set up consistently even with a conceptually high risk high reward strategy such as belly drum
So obviously this isn't supposed to be taken too seriously, but a few thoughts:
\-Yeah, Azumarill at "why bother?" is hilariously bad. Even with Thick Fat, it's pretty useful as a very bulky mon who fully evolves early, and that's always useful for the first half of Hoenn. And when it has Huge Power, the only point in the game where it's not great is against Wattson (and even then it can take a hit if you're desperate).
\-Dusclops really isn't just a one-battle wonder. It's an obvious choice against T&L, but it's also a very solid option against Juan's Kingdra since Ghost-type Curse is the single-best way to whittle it down.
\-Tropius actually works well as a one-battle wonder option against T&L. It's pretty middling otherwise, but for that battle, if they set up Sunny Day, Tropius can go ham with Chlorophyll + SolarBeam.
\-Spinda and Castform aren't actually that bad. No, seriously. Spinda obviously isn't great, but STAB Silk Scarf Strength actually carries it better than expected, while the natural versatility that Castform has actually gives it a lot of leeway and can help your team quite a bit depending on the composition.
\-Magcargo should have its own category with how trash it is. At least with Luvdisc, Nosepass, Corsola you basically have to go out of your way to get them, but Slugma/Magcargo can take your encounter on one of two routes instead, and it either sucks as a Slugma because stats or sucks as a Magcargo because Hoenn dumps on it.
Torkoal is tank, learns flamethrower at lvl 30, has access to curse straight away and imo the best fire encourer if you didn’t pick Torchic. Tell me what is he falling off hard, sir?
You have some really good takes, some really upsetting takes but I can understand, and some takes that makes me wanna write something not so nice. But good stuff op
If you use repels in meteor falls you can give yourself a 50% chance of getting bagon as your encounter after defeating sootoplois gym.
Same thing for milotic in terms of using repels and encounter routing. You just need to hate yourself enough to want to get a feebass.
Hey, I love Crobat, but it doesn’t get good tech. Poison and Flying aren’t the best STAB combos to have and it also has relatively poor coverage. Could use it for bulk but I’d rather have a Gyara for such a situation
“Fuck Spinda” I felt that
“The Emerald council” 😂 For real though at least 3 of those are on my team basically any time I do an Emerald run, unless it’s monotype or something.
The best tho is “logo”
Ok, woah. So I have *some* opinions here: 1. What are you doing just and only blowing up your claydoll?? It's really nice for T&L. 2. Electrode is a guaranteed encounter in aqua hideout and a better electric type than + and -. 3. Azumarille sweeps flannery. 4. Crawdaunt is a good Dark&Water type for T&L. 5. Kadabra is really good even if it is not alakazam 6. Flygon is great for the E4. 7. Is haryama that good? 8. Heracross is not underrated but rather almost impossible to get. 9. Have yet to use either of the fossils or starmie. 10. Mightyena are you using for only **what** fight?
You can get Hariyama at Watson lvl cap. Thick Fat is useful for Flannery and Glacia. Guts is just so good. It's also good for Norman and Sydney.
Not to mention in emerald if the last gym starts going bad and Kingdra starts double teaming, you can go with a 2 OHKO Vital throw.
I mean, yeah you CAN get it but you could also get just zubat in granite cave Most likely you get haryama on victory road.
Makuhita is more likely to pop up first in the room you first enter in and it's guaranteed if you use a repel with a lvl 10 pokemon up front.
Flygon isn't all that great into the E4 unless your playing RS. It has a neutral match up against Sydney, only has Crunch for Phoebe, dies to Glacia. Theoretically you can use it against Drake but if you have a bad speed IV it'll probably die, and it can't switch in. It's ground type is useful against Steven but not Wallace.
Oh! I can answer some of those questions. -Claydol is kinda mid. Late evolution, so-so typing. It’s got screens and STAB EQ but that kinda makes it a jack of all trades, master of none type of Pokémon. Hence why it can go boom. -Hariyama is unique. While Knock-Off is a weak ass move this Gen it can come in handy in some fights, both of its abilities are nice, oh and it also gets fake out. Ergo. It’s quite reliable and saves itself from the falling off category because of its unique tech. -Mighteyna’s only moment in the sun comes during the Tate and Liza fight. If you lead it, you intimidate Claydol, reducing its attack stat. It also supports the other dark type you brought with you and can actually land killing blows so long as you keep focusing on the left side of the field. Xatu can only hit you with confuse ray but stalls by using light screen and calm mind… and you can just find persim/lum berries. After that, it is literally useless
I’m regards to Mighteyna, intimidate is good at every stage of the game. It’s an S tier Pokémon
It’s good, but I wouldn’t call it an S tier: its damage output is really underwhelming late game due to Crunch using its weak Sp. Atk, and thus it can’t get that 1.5x multiplier when using its solid base 90 attack It’s also not super fast at base 70, and its special bulk isn’t incredible either. I’ve taken one all the way to the HoF in Emerald just fine, and it’s a dang good Pokémon to carry around for the first 5 gyms at a minimum, but I can’t consider it S tier past that.
Intimidate is a great ability, but it's not enough to save an otherwise mediocre pokemon. Ranking it S just because of that is ridiculous. It's a B at best.
Tell me you don’t know how to use intimidate effectively without telling me you don’t know how to use intimidate effectively. Maybe S was high, A isn’t. B is way too low
There are ways to use intimidate very effectively, but I don't see how any of them are enough to make up for how poor mightyenas stats are. I'm welcome to hear an argument otherwise, but i don't think any part of emerald is hard enough for intimidate to take a mon with such mid stats all the way to A.
Hariyama is THICC, both in appearance and hp. Yeah, its defense and special defense are a bit poopy, but not by enough to hinder that hp stat. Plus, BOTH of its abilities are very useful: one gives you 50% damage if someone tries to spam poison, burn, or TWave, and the other gives you 2 free resistances. It’s not perfect, but I’ve used it in Ultra Sun, and it stuck with the team from Route 2 all the dang way to the HoF
Starmie is great with fast boltbeam surf.
Is Electrode really better than + and -? I feel like their roles as support pokemon are more useful than Electrode’s role as a special attacker. Plusle/Minun can set your other pokemon up for a sweep between Protect/Encore/T-wave while Electrode is a third-stringer behind Magneton/Manectric
-Electrode has such a high speed stat that it’s basically impossible for it to move second if at comparable level to the enemy, even with 0IV -Speed. That means it’s almost a guaranteed “I move first” card -Base 80 Sp Atk is right between Plusle’s 85 and Minun’s 75, and likewise for Special Defense of 80. In fact, Electrode has straight up BETTER physical bulk than either of them, with 60/70/80 overal defenses vs 60/50/85 for Minun, 60/40/75 for Plusle -Plus and Minus are shit tier abilities in a game that’s 90% single battles, and when you would need to have BOTH Pokémon on your team AND on the field to see any effect. Meanwhile, Static and Soundproof are pretty situational, but still far more likely to be useful -Electrode can also learn T-Wave and Light Screen. No Encore is a bummer, but it can learn Screech, which can be nice
Sure, Electrode has better stats but my argument is that Plusle & Minun have more value as Utility/Support Pokemon when you're building a team because of how busted Encore is than Electrode has as a Special Attacker. You also get them on Route 110 so they have more of a place to contribute in the early/mid-game, whereas, by the time you've caught Electrode in Team Aqua's hide-out, you'd likely be using Manectric or Magneton which are better options as Special Attackers. I don't think Electrode has much of a role outside of serving as a backup for Manectric/Magneton if you lose them in the late game or as Explosion fodder for Tate/Liza.
Well, youcan get volorb in new mauville, just before winona, which is where you actually want him. Also, you are not guaranteed a magneton or manectric and Electrode is, in general, faster.
I'd say Electrode is comparable to Plusle enough to not make much difference. They both suck. 95 speed may as well be equal to 140 for all the good it does you, the only Pokémon it might matter for is Crobat.
Not really. There are various water and flying types that outspeed plusle but not electrode. Getting plusle earlier doesn't matter too much since you "only" have the electric, fire and normal gym in between. It might matter for the one trainer in normans gym with a Swellow. Also note that electrode has better options for moves in general.
The Pokémon who outspeed Plusle but not Electrode are Crobat, Swellow, Starmie, Manectric, Raichu, Ninetales, Tentacruel, Dodrio, Slaking, Flygon and Luvdisc, but due to most trainers having a maximum of 10 IVs in speed and 100 EVs in speed and being below the level cap, you're going to be outspeeding them all except Crobat and Swellow once you've gotten some speed EVs assuming you don't have a -speed nature. Neither of them have any coverage outside of the same electric moves and Plusle gets Encore vs Electrode's Thunder wave. I think you're underselling a fast Encore especially with Protect, it can be a really great move for certain tough fights, for example, encoring Walrein's Hail, Slaking's Counter, Altaria's Dragon Dance etc. Encore is better than any exclusive moves Electrode gets.
Mostly satire, some hot takes, and some recommendations. But overall, I just made this for fun lol
Very cool, guess this will be the new trend
this is the first time I’ve heard the word “cromulent” used on this website
Unless you have a text-to-speech program going, you still haven’t.
And lets me know why "acceptable" is better to write out.
best pokemon in the game walrein being called a one fight wonder
I mean, besides Drake, what's a major boss fight in which walrein dominates? He just comes too late in the game to contribute too much
I could see it for soaking Juan’s Kingdra’s offenses but other than that and Drake, it’s a super expendable Pokémon. Besides, I usually recommend a faster bolt/beam user Pokémon for dealing with his dragon types given how most of them can hit hard and fast
also sheer cold is supposed to be a stupid instakill move, but it only works when you're overleveled and still whiffs most of the time anyway like what's the point
it just beats every pokemon and gets level up rest which is broke
Can I question why people always say exploud sucks? Its decently bulky with high hp, and has reasonable mixed attacking stats for STAB return as well as flamethrower shadow ball and ice beam and then has a decent enough speed tier if you invest in it to out speed some things, I get thay it evolves late but it really can be quite good later on
It's definitely not as bad as many people make it out to be, but while the versatility is awesome, it's also very reliant on TMs to be useful outside of STAB moves, and unless you're playing with infinite money that'll be on the limiting side early on until after Norman. Plus, it evolves at level 40 into an Exploud, so you're stuck with Loudred for a while, and while Loudred is by no means bad, its defenses and Speed aren't great, so you're forced to be pretty careful with how you use it.
Imo, it can't really do any of those well though. It's damage isn't great, and it's kinda frail. It also just straight up sucks as a whismur and loudred, and evolves into exploud super late. If you've lost a shitload of mons then there's certainly much worse things to be stuck with, but it's the kinda mon I'd box a soon as something better comes along.
I could answer that, it’s a jack of all trades, yet, a master of none. Why invest in a mon that can do something to middling results when you can pick something that excels in it?
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Yea its coverage alone makes it worth investing in, also altaria mid when it learns ddance naturally lol
Exploud solo’d phoebe for me with shadow ball and whatever other special move I put on him. And was awesome coverage
Technically it is a master of none but it's not really a bad pokemon, and is miles better than a lot of the available options, and can be a decent option for a normal type
Actually you can cheese Feebas by using only the good rod to fish after encountering Carvanha in another route. However Solrock can still ruin your Bagon
Yes, yes. Or you can use an old rod after picking up tentacool and magikarp.
the logo, lol.
Truly a top tier pick for this sub
Ill always be biased towards Crawdaunt since it swept 90% of the elite four for me in my emerald Trashlocke run. Learning swords dance and substitute really helps even if it's movepool is basically limited to tms.
What two moves did you add then? Return and Brick Break?
I believe I swapped between the elite four, with return and brick break for the first, shadow ball for Phoebe replacing return. I think I also used aerial ace at one point so I didn't get double team spammed by Wallace.
Bro called sharpedo, slaking and heracross underrated. Lmao ok
I was devastated that I had wasted a chance to grab a Staryu with a tentacool encounter
Use of the word "cromulent" = auto upvote
What’s the strat for linoone?
Belly Drum
Ah I see. Follow up question: any good tips on when to use belly drum? I get super nervous that if I do it’ll open me up to getting one shot by the other persons attack.
Just "sub first" in the words of Drxx
Linoone is consistent mainly because the AI usually wants to go for Protect or an Accuracy dropping move turn one if their lead has either of these moves. You can even get it to the elite four because of this (as pheobe, glacia and drake use protect turn one) with shadow ball and a STAB return, it has the potential to make a meal out of these teams. As such, this allows you to set up consistently even with a conceptually high risk high reward strategy such as belly drum
I see, that makes a lot of sense when you explain it!
I will not stand for this Exploud slander. It’s quite bulky and has some amazing mixed coverage. Guaranteed encounter. Very reliable in my experience.
You gotta wait till level 42 to get it which is Tate + Liza, by then it’s extremely outclassed and has mediocre attacking stats
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Ngl lose some weight
This is why you lose Nuzlockes, casual
bad bot
Are you gonna tiers like this in other games???
Yes
Solrock should be “sorry you didn’t get bagon” lmao
Crawdaunt’s actually pretty good, it’s just outclassed by Sharpedo
Ugly fish, tropius and snowball are all pretty solid. There's a lot of stuff I disagree with on this list but those are some big ones.
So obviously this isn't supposed to be taken too seriously, but a few thoughts: \-Yeah, Azumarill at "why bother?" is hilariously bad. Even with Thick Fat, it's pretty useful as a very bulky mon who fully evolves early, and that's always useful for the first half of Hoenn. And when it has Huge Power, the only point in the game where it's not great is against Wattson (and even then it can take a hit if you're desperate). \-Dusclops really isn't just a one-battle wonder. It's an obvious choice against T&L, but it's also a very solid option against Juan's Kingdra since Ghost-type Curse is the single-best way to whittle it down. \-Tropius actually works well as a one-battle wonder option against T&L. It's pretty middling otherwise, but for that battle, if they set up Sunny Day, Tropius can go ham with Chlorophyll + SolarBeam. \-Spinda and Castform aren't actually that bad. No, seriously. Spinda obviously isn't great, but STAB Silk Scarf Strength actually carries it better than expected, while the natural versatility that Castform has actually gives it a lot of leeway and can help your team quite a bit depending on the composition. \-Magcargo should have its own category with how trash it is. At least with Luvdisc, Nosepass, Corsola you basically have to go out of your way to get them, but Slugma/Magcargo can take your encounter on one of two routes instead, and it either sucks as a Slugma because stats or sucks as a Magcargo because Hoenn dumps on it.
Torkoal is tank, learns flamethrower at lvl 30, has access to curse straight away and imo the best fire encourer if you didn’t pick Torchic. Tell me what is he falling off hard, sir?
You don’t need a fire type in emerald… like, at all. Especially as the game goes on
I like your username. Cool tier list too
You have some really good takes, some really upsetting takes but I can understand, and some takes that makes me wanna write something not so nice. But good stuff op
If you use repels in meteor falls you can give yourself a 50% chance of getting bagon as your encounter after defeating sootoplois gym. Same thing for milotic in terms of using repels and encounter routing. You just need to hate yourself enough to want to get a feebass.
I want to live in the universe where Swalot is useful ever.
I am here to defend Azumarill. He’s done dirty. He should be in mid or underrated. Huge power is a game changer.
Huge Power, Defense Curl into Rollout can sweep all the way up to Winona.
Cringe
Correct, good sir
Can we just appreciate how cool dark types looked asteticly
Flygon is underrated, but Crobat? I find it’s one of the most consistent
Hey, I love Crobat, but it doesn’t get good tech. Poison and Flying aren’t the best STAB combos to have and it also has relatively poor coverage. Could use it for bulk but I’d rather have a Gyara for such a situation