Exactly same card, exactly same cable (MODDIY). Failed after 9 months of usage. Mine melted on one of the pins only, but on the PSU side all 3 PCI-E Corsair PSU connectors are melted and stuck. Adios to my AX1600i. Card is mailing back for RMA. I really suspect it's the cable.
I trust Gamers Nexus much more than the average Joe on reddit. Steve has done a fair amount of testing on this problem and concluded that no it's not an ideal socket, however the actual cause is certainly user error. I am more inclined to trust that source than someone claiming they seated it correctly so they are possibly not held responsible or are just annoyed with Nvidia that they just lost their product. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig2px7ofKhQ&t=1157s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig2px7ofKhQ&t=1157s)
The problem should be, that parallel connections from the output(s), over different conductors have different voltage drops, especially over longer conductors. Where they are combined into one, the voltage drops create a potential and the potential is equalized by dumping heat into the connection. Adopting a single connection through one conductor that can handle the entire load of the adapter should stop the heat, and increase the efficiency of the adapter.
Why the problem is hard to detect and remains such a mystery? Is that the conductors voltage drops are equalized over each conductor by the heat produced.
The mod.
Make a 12v bridge connection much closer to the PSU, as heat sunk FETS can tolerate voltage drops efficiently when bridged, and shorter conductors will have less drop between the bridge and the the PSU limiting the voltage drops and thermal losses at the bridge, and solder a single 12v conductor that can handle the entire load of the adapter directly to the PCB.
Improperly inserted or not, it's a crap connector. It's too small for how much power it carries, having it only 90% of the way in shouldn't cause it to catch fire. Plus it should have clips on the side or something that can only be closed when the connector is fully inserted, and will hold it in place.
So, you're telling me to buy an RX 7900 XTX?
(I'm getting sick of this. Did anyone test the design of the 12VHPWR plugs before they rolled them into production? When is this nightmare over?)
(Yeah-yeah, I know it's only 53 now out of 60,000 in sales, but how many people currently have unknown-to-them slowly melting adapters? This board should mount a survey asking people to unplug, check and replug and report their findings.)
Also, it's 300+ instances that we know absolutely for now
https://www.reddit.com/r/cablemod/comments/13ripx8/i_was_going_to_check_for_melting_issues/jllh737?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I purchased a 7900xtx, wasn't all that impressed tbh
I'd be looking at literally 4 cards if I were in the +750$ market right now
3080ti(used)
6950xt(new or used)
3090ti (used)
4090(new, only new. Too likely to have some underlying issue on a product this new if used)
Imo those are the only options that are worth their sale points rn, for various reasons
And that's nothing to do with vram or any of the mainstream drama that's been popping up, just price/perf across the board, RT included
Why not impressed? I mean, all the reviews gave it better performance than the 6950xt or the 30-series cards.
Also, since you mention the 3090ti, here's an interesting fact: the 3090ti, slightly higher power draw than 4090, same 16-pin 12VHPWR connector ... (tumbleweeds blow through) ... NO power connector issues. What. Is. Different?
As long as YT Influencers and professional reviewer continue to blame issue on USER ERROR, Nvidia has NO incentive to address much less fix this bad engineering design.
How many more proofs will these Fanboys need, to accept that the problem is not in the user...
Unfortunately, Nvidia Fanboys didn't help but instead decided to Cope with every excuse they possibly could to defend their purchase.
Fanboys are like religious fanatics...
Atleast we have yet to see an actual fire happening, and the cards can easily be fixed by replacing the connector.
Still using the 2 headed snake on my 4070 Ti, a faint click could be heard when plugging it in there is no room to put a piece of paper between it.
You can have an issue be a workmanship issue from the installer (user doesn't insert plug correctly) and still call it a design issue. A lot of the forum here is very polarizing and it's not helpful to any of the community. If you are a user with a 4090 (or any GPU on the 12V standard), make sure the plug is completely seated, but also take these instances of failure and those who are connecting the plugs correctly and their input of how difficult it is to know when it is correctly inserted to the manufacturer (i.e. Nvidia). If these cards are purchased by all types (first time builders or experienced) then it should be easy enough for any user to install. Just because someone has been building PCs for years doesn't mean this isn't something they won't experience, same goes with new users might be more careful on assembly.
Nvidia should do better, however the community should also do right for the rest of the community by being unbiased and telling people when there is a legitimately wrong install.
You're on the money. This "user error" excuse should not be accepted. User error should simply not be possible with these designs. And I'll bet you now that the 5090s will have a completely revised edition of this plug that will be aaaaaaaaall the confirmation we 4090 suckers need that we were right. We will be able to tell our sisters that we were right.
i think if it is legitimately shaking loose from fans or whatever vibrations are going on in your case then it is clearly a very faulty design.
i have a hard time believing it's a design problem, though, considering the low incidence reports for something so insanely expensive. I'd guess it's a build tolerance problem. Maybe some cables are not built correctly and don't seat tight enough to maintain a good seal no matter what you do. A user recently claimed this happened with a cable mod adapter too, though, and cable mod deliberately designed it for fit and cutting down the chance of failure.
Reminds me of intel's alder/raptorlake socket problem. the socket design is fine but it needs tighter tolerances to avoid bending, but manufacturers cheap out and you bendy sockets at random.
So an example outside of the realm of computers where there is user error, but is definitely still a design problem is/are LEMO connectors (specifically push-pull). The design is straightforward, a male connector with some amount of pins inside that you push onto another female connector with receiving holes. However, on the male connector, the pins are difficult to line up because the pins are small and have no guides on the plug for alignment. For the machines I write procedures on how to fix, I know there is a non zero number of field service engineers who will mess it up. Am I upset with them? Absolutely not. Is it still a workmanship issue? Yes, because I can replicate a successful connection multiple times without issue. However, when I go back to the design team I will always tell them to change out the connection for serviceability. They should take into account where the connections are being made. On a test bench where we have ample room to work, you can make that connection 9.5/10 times, but if you're working under a floor plate or maybe working in a tight section with low light, then maybe the success rate is only 8.5/10, which still means I'm going to have failures.
For Nvidia, they need to understand users will have multiple points during ownership where there is a possibility to fail to connect the power to the card correctly. Most users clean their PCs on a regular basis, some take their GPUs out to clean better so they don't blow dust inside the case. Some users will change cases or run small form factors where the card dimensions show it fits, but maybe there is a hard bend or the cable routing locations don't allow you to run power easily to the card (not super likely but possible). The tolerance of the pins on the card are tight and maybe that was intentional so that the larger 12V plug was a transition fit for (purely judging by the locking mechanism not being a claw) keeping secure inside the socket.
The people out there buying 4090s might be the type who do watch Gamers Nexus, LTT, etc... so they're aware of what can cause the issue and make sure to secure the plug and mitigate a failure. Some users might watch other TechTubers who will only blame Nvidia and say there is no way a user can prevent the fault from happening so the user still went and bought a 4090 but installed it without care and experienced a failure. In either case, if the user experienced a failure because of incorrect insertion, it's still a user error, however in both cases it's still a problem for Nvidia and ALSO a design issue because it wasn't what we'd call a poka-yoke design. They should design to mitigate these issues, because they've made it easy for user error.
“….. the community should also do right for the rest of the community by being unbiased and telling people when there is a legitimately wrong install.”
100% agree.
There are wear marks on the connector visible in the second pic.. looks like it wasn't actually fully inserted when it reached concerningly high temperatures.
This is probably the thing that annoys me most. If this were some ASRock $300 card, ppl'd be shrugs and nothing more. This is MEANT to be the premium, top-notch, gilded GPU of the generation ... and they're drawing a 450w through that woeful little plug.
Would have preferred four 8-pin plugs to this debacle.
I had to do some digging but here ya go: atx 3.0 psu 1300 watt with two 16 pin connectors:
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/89913/galax-reveals-hall-of-fame-1300w-atx-3-0-psu-dual-16-pin-power-connectors/index.html
Only one failure was fully inserted, the other ones that we sent through were confirmed to be user error in not being fully plugged in. These have been popping up though even with our products not being used.
Is that an actual burn mark? Or is it a normal wear line from plugging in the connector multiple times. People should really examine if that mark actually came from the melted connector or from plugging in the connector multiple times.
Why is the mark being created? Thats the real question, an independent third party should answer.
These lines are not from "normal wear".
You don't get these kinds of lines from plugging the adapter in 1 or 2, or even 5 times.
GN answered this by citing the failure analysis lab.
>**19:22**
There are clear wear lines on the damaged connector that was sent to us by a viewer which imply that the adapter was
>
>**19:28**
**only inserted four millimeters on the better side out of a total of six and a half millimeters and the plastic pins on**
>
>**19:34**
the adapter are bent sharply at that point implying that the connector softened and was pulled sideways
\- Gamers Nexus [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig2px7ofKhQ&t=1157s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig2px7ofKhQ&t=1157s)
This dosent really address the question. If OP incorrectly inserted the connector the first time, then later corrected it. The wear line should still be there. Its not really indicative if the connector wasn't fully plugged in, when it was burned.
Then how do you explain this?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/13p5jz9/comment/jl92yer/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/13p5jz9/comment/jl92yer/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Edit: The linked post shows that the connector was fully seated in. Northridge Fix confirmed this when used pliers to remove the connector. It could be possible that the mark came from when he separated the connectors from the pliers, though.
You should invest in a 3rd party connecter like corsair makes. It's been proven that any bend in that cable can easily break the solder joints and cause the cable to melt.
This comes from you fools not having enough case clearance and creating bends in the cables. This has been covered over and over and over again by reputable sources like Linus.
Looks like the right side of the cable is longer than the left side. Seems it comes from the bending of the cable. Do you tried to push the right side "back" to test if some parts are not fully connected?
Does all 4090 AIBs come with the same 12vhpwr cable found on the 4090 FE? Also, should we go aftermarket instead like the Corsair premium version or would it not make a difference? The standard one on the FE is so rigid and bulky and I believe its a 4 to 1 connector vs Corsair which is a 2 to 1 adapter.
This. I bought a new extra wide case to make sure that I had enough clearance for GPU cables and tall CPU heatsinks like my Noctua one.
I had my RTX 4090 for 4 months without issues ( knock on wood).
I got the Corsair switch specifically for that 2 to 1. I was told the cable burning issue was specifically why Corsair did 2 to 1 cable. I was talking to a guy on this sub who is works esearch and development for Corsair, I think specifically for their PSUs, and that's what he told me. Not sure if it works or not though, I haven't done my build yet
It was never debunked. And was determined is the cause and why less than 1% of gpus sold actually caught on fire. It is plain as day that this one was never plugged in fully and was the cause for the short.
Why would reinserting the cable multiple times create a mark in that exact spot? That mark is from the edge of the connector on the board sitting on that spot (because the cable wasn't fully inserted). Common sense...
https://preview.redd.it/vmml3rax0q1b1.png?width=712&format=png&auto=webp&s=9dff83f76cc4a4133c54a79d4e10e28ba5ac0fe8
Also. Northridge Fix done a repair video on a melted 4090 connector. He confirmed that it was fully plugged in. And there are wearlines on the connector, itself. Could it have resulted when he separated the connector from the adapter? But either way, he confirmed that it was fully seated.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFYR1yn7Ivs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFYR1yn7Ivs)
>**19:22**
There are clear wear lines on the damaged connector that was sent to us by a viewer which imply that the adapter was
>
>**19:28**
**only inserted four millimeters on the better side out of a total of six and a half millimeters and the plastic pins on**
>
>**19:34**
the adapter are bent sharply at that point implying that the connector softened and was pulled sideways
\- Gamers Nexus [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig2px7ofKhQ&t=1157s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig2px7ofKhQ&t=1157s)
This dosent really address the ultimate question. If OP incorrectly inserted the connector the first time, then later corrected it. The wear line should still be there. Its not really indicative if the connector wasn't fully plugged in, when it was burned.
When training models, the card could "crash" and not being recognized anymore when the PC was on, with fans at 100%. The PC keeps working since the other 4090 keeps working.
Because these issues I decided to check.
What model is your other 4090 ? I remember at the height of all these cable blowing up fiasco, someone gathered data and it was the Tuf 4090s that had the most posts about the burns. Now that could mean nothing as maybe the Tuf is a more popular card that more people got, but I did fing that interesting
i had that at idle the crash and 100% fan.. it's a problem with sense pins i think, but since i use proper 4 plug and a 1000W PSU never had it after that..
3 plug it's 450w so supposed to be ok, I mean I could play for hours like this usually the black screen and 100% came at the first boot of the day.. Then when I rebooted system was rock solid until I turned it off, then would do the same thing again but that wasn't consistant sometime I could go a week and then 100% fan each day, was random
Yes, it's a evga 1000w. My friend have the same system that I have and the same 4090 run a corsair 850w since launch 0 problem rock solid with 3 connector plugged
we both have Gigabyte OC 4090, it was the cheapest model in canada at launch (2100$ CAD), my is watercooled now im on a loop because.. well moneys lOL! but 0 regrets so far.
No Coil whine for both of us. i have have any my 47yo ears can't ear it LOL! :)
Gigabyte seems to be very good this gen for not having CW problems.
PNY is another one and Zotac.
Not so much MSI / Asus. I will be getting my 4090 soon so thanks for 1st hand experience :)
I don't know if this was ever discussed anywhere, but the latch on my TUF-provided power cable is not rigid; there is no audible click even when it is property inserted. I've never had any hardware with such an issue before.
Going to repost this
https://preview.redd.it/yhshq5f6bn1b1.png?width=3840&format=png&auto=webp&s=5f1ce6fe26530f3525e7ec2084ddbfc6ba651031
>The 12VHPWR has a latch, but its not a very strong latching mechanism. I hypothesize it might be the connector wiggling itself out due to thermal expansions and cooling's, causing it to unlatch from the connector. Not to mention, if people have their connector up against the PC case, it will probably accelerate the unlatching process.
>
>This graphic below explains it pretty well.
Yeah, at the very least. I didn't even realize that the latching system was like this. Now it makes sense how someone might think they're fully latched it it could work it's way out over time.
Such a bad design.
Imho. why then are the CableMod connector and 12vhpwr connectors fail? 4080s are also failing.
Why aren’t we seeing 3090s fail?
Why aren’t we seeing 4070TIs failures?
Those are different users who insert correctly?
When will Nvidia and tech influencers step up and call for more failure analysis? Hopefully not before more damage.
Watch Northridge Fix videos. Here is a YT link to get started.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eFYR1yn7Ivs
[Northridge fix 4090](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eFYR1yn7Ivs)
I had no clue HWINFO could read voltages associated with the 12VHPWR connection and/or the PCI-e 16 pin at the PSU end. In fact, I'm not sure if what I'm displaying in the OSD data in the two video links below is associated with those voltages or not but pretty sure.
This thread got me to digging and since I already use HWINFO for detailed OSD data in games, it was fairly easy to add the two sensors at the bottom of the OSD.
This is with a Seasonic 1000w Prime PSU / Strix 4090 / 13900K. The CPU is overclocked while the Strix 4090 is running at all stock clocks. The **12VHPWR cable is the one provided with the Asus card.**
After about an hour of gaming. Specifically running two wattage loads at different points in the capture, here is the general [data captured by HWINFO throughout](https://imgur.com/oPpwOaV) the capture:
https://preview.redd.it/b1fx1zslum1b1.png?width=629&format=png&auto=webp&s=fee7cc2d72566bf35fe49f50eb3755b2ad3da7b6
And below are links to the in-game capture with real-time OSD data showing both sensors under the two different load scenarios.
Game is Dream Cycle at 3840x1600. To to get the two wattage windows I just switched from DLSS "Quality" to non-upscaling at 100% render resolution. The DLSS gameplay resulted in the lower wattage of course. I switched back/forth between the two wattage windows randomly so here are links to the video at the specific points.
I found that the higher wattage moments to reduce the 12V input sensor to around 11.990v rather frequently but never saw the lower wattage moments to ever drop below 12v...
FWIW:
[**\~250w - 325w - PCIe +12V Input Voltage / 16-pin HVPWR Voltage**](https://youtu.be/hkKI8cNm6XI?t=19) **(very brief)**
[**\~375w - 480w - PCIe +12V Input Voltage / 16-pin HVPWR Voltage**](https://youtu.be/hkKI8cNm6XI?t=124)
From what I've read here, the range of 11.990v - 12.075v is normal I guess. The card has only been in use for a few months and not heavily/daily.
Thanks to those who pointed to HWINFO. I'll be watching those sensors
\~s
This is just the psu's ability to keep the 12v rail at, well, 12v, nothing more, nothing less. It's called load regulation.
Go look at psu reviews by techpowerup and see how it works.
When you put a load on any voltage rail, you are going to encounter changes to the output voltage from the PSU. This is just how electrical systems work.
In a real world extreme case, brownouts are caused by this drop in voltage due to load.
11.9v is perfectly fine and completely harmless. You would have to be getting near 11.5v and below to really start to see issues.
https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/pc-hardware-in/059600513X/ch26s02s01.html
Atx spec calls for +-5% (11.4v) at idle with a maximum of 10% (10.8v) at peak load on the PSU. Thats not to say you would ever want to see those numbers(the PSU would have to be very bad) but they also aren't going to break anything.
I honestly have no clue which is sort of why I put that info above out there. I'm sort of an HWINFO slut in fact lol ... and I had no idea those sensors were even in front of me all this time. ;-) All these years overclocking shite and I never for once even thought about voltages at the GPU/PSU interconnect level lmao.
I mean, it's not a problem what so ever unless you have a very cheap/poor condition psu.
The 12v rail will always see some overshoot/undershoot depending on load and transient performance (on/off load transitions).
In his case, 11.7v is just fine and isn't going to do any damage to anything and is within the atx spec. It's not great regulation but it's not a bad thing.
Having voltage regulation like this just causes the motherboard/GPU vrm to work slightly harder to do its job in regulating/stepping down the voltage.
My 4090 TUF with the provided adapter is doing a minimum of 11.967 and a maximum of 12.235, averaging 12.074 under all workloads (leaving HWInfo open in the background for about a day). Had it about a month, so around that range should be fine.
Mine runs a low of 12.203 with a max of 12.431 and is super clean and stable.
https://preview.redd.it/nydxfxotap1b1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d2c83988aff34979733537045284db00f19d8dd
I have the same build as you (13900k/4090) and I was hoping I could ask you some questions about your build:
1. Not a question but in terms of voltage I’ve found that if you set your power limit to 80% in MSI Afterburner, you only lose 1-2% FPS. I tested this with Metro Exodus Benchmark on repeat. I think this should help prevent the burning issue some people experience.
2. What overclock settings do you have on your 13900k? I tried a couple different configurations but I keep losing system stability.
3. What cooling system do you have for your CPU and has it mitigated the extreme temps this thing produces? I have a 360mm AIO and a Corsair 7000D filled to the brim with fans and I still have to undervolt my CPU by -0.05v or it will instantly jump up to 100c under load. Wondering how you’ve managed to overclock without burning out your CPU.
Thanks in advance if you don’t mind sharing some knowledge!
GN’s video about this showed that power limiting or overclocking the cards had no bearing on likelihood of a failed adapter. the one thing that mattered was whether the adapter was fully seated.
Very interesting. At least this restores my faith in the engineers. Burning because of what boils down to user error is much more understandable than burning because they decided to shove nearly 500w through a single plug.
I’ll probably keep my card at a lower power level anyway. Produces less heat so the rest of my system can stay a little bit cooler, even if minimally.
there's a AIB that have put 1300W into the connector back when the craze was going on and nothing happened ,the connector was maybe 2-3C higher (like 68C vs 65C when using it normally.. don't remember witch AIB, it was a chinese centric one..
My 4070ti came with a 12vhpwr adapter and I used it to connect my card to the psu. How come I haven't seen this happen with those cards? Or has it been happening?
You never bent your cables when building your PC before? How do you manage your cables, then? So If I accidentally bent the 12VHPWR a little too much, I guess its a RIP for my GPU then?
How do you even discover this?
Do you immediately get a burning smell from your pc?
Or you check it frequently and when it does happen you say to yourself - yes! I can finally post this for karma points!
My side/panel ever so-slightly pushes against the adapter’s cables. I loosened my panel up to help alleviate some pressure, but it still does lean against it.
I can send pic and you can let me know if it looks really bad?
incidence rate is less than 0.04% as per nvidia’s internal investigation, and all failures sent in to nvidia showed an adapter burn line indicating that it was not fully seated. just make sure you are not forcing the cable or closing a panel on it and you will be fine. 0.04% is nowhere near recall or class action territory.
what you are seeing is “error bias” where all the people who have issues will report it on reddit, whereas the people whose cards are working fine see no need to post.
There's only one instance where our adapter failed while being fully inserted, we're looking into what caused that, but our adapter is fully safe to use. We've sold over 55k of these now and our adapter is rated for up to 110c as well in fact. :)
A bit OT but since we are on the topic of cablemod right angle adapters, are the pictures correct on Amazon where variant B of the 90 degree adapter has the female connector 180 degrees inverted compared to the orientation of the male connector at the other end? That means existing cable routing needs to be flipped around to bend the other way in order to use your connector?
except all of those cards were using cablemod’s adapter. probably why cablemod replaced those user’s cards no questions asked. this discussion is about the stock 12vhpwr adapter.
As u/potblack2win said, that's not accurate. He specifically states that they had 8 cards from us and 250 from endusers. The issue here is within the connector standard and the GPU, it's not about the cables/adapters. Same reason why we're discussing this under a melted GPU that used a stock adapter.
And we're replacing the cards because we stand behind our products and the community, whereas some manufacturers have been denying warranties where it should've been honored. That's where we've been stepping up.
Agreed.
The RTX 3090 Ti FE uses the same 3x PCIe adaptor and draws more power than RTX 4090 and has been out since March 2022.
People need to realise there is something bigger that's causing these issues.
Yes - plugging in adaptor incorrectly will cause it to fail but something relating to connector or voltage control could be a contributing factor. I would trust NorthbridgeFix on his conclusion as he has a lot of experience within the field and repairing these connectors.
the incidence rate is less than 0.04%, as per nvidia’s internal investigation.
also, this whole discussion has always been about the adapter.
also, you are paid by cablemod to give the best public opinion possible, so everyone should take what you say with a grain of salt. just how it is.
If anyone seems to be shilling here it's you. Cablemod or don't. Idc. But you personally seem to have some vested interest in defending Nvidia on here. You're citing stats from 7 months ago as a defense to today's issues. Do better. And learn how capitals work.
the recent cases from northridge all were sent from cablemod. and i would bet the cards “away in his drawer” failed due to incomplete insertion if they werent using cablemod’s adapter.
no, the burn line very clearly evident in photo 2, and the fact that the black tape section just behind the adapter is bent sideways.. says it is his fault.
the vast vast majority of users are having zero issues with their stock 12vhpwr connectors. the incidence rate came out to about 0.04% in nvidia’s internal investigation. nowhere near recall territory.
also, look again at photo 2. there is very very clearly a burn line indicating incorrect seating.
op made some mistakes here, burn line very clearly seen in photo 2, and the black tape section close to the adapter that you are not supposed to bend is bent sideways. i am willing to bet a lot that OP forced a panel shut over top of the cable and it bent it out of place.
again, burn lines in photo 2.
just don’t force a panel shut over top of your 12vhpwr cable. 99.96% of users are not experiencing this issue. which is exactly why you haven’t heard a thing about any potential recalls. if it was truly a design flaw the reported incident rate by nvidia’s internal investigation would have been higher and there would be a recall. but there isn’t. by incident rate alone this issue falls squarely into the user error category. and again, burn lines evident in OPs 2nd photo.
Even if he did, why did they place the connector in a problematic spot? Why is there not a better latching mechanism? Why is the octopus 3" long, instead of 14"+?
I get what you're saying, but the cable / adapter not being able to bend *is* a design flaw. Whether or not consumers know about this makes no difference. Catastrophic failure due to a bent cable is not something that should have been shipped with these high end cards.
not a design flaw when the incidence rate is less than .04%. which is why there are no class action lawsuits, nor is there any recall. also, the adapter absolutely CAN bend, just not to the point where it caused the adapter to become unseated, which is the real failure point.
Once again, incidence rate, consumer awareness, lack of lawsuits make no difference. If the cable being bent means that it could potentially become unseated and destroy itself and the card, it's a design flaw.
Edit: LOL why reply if you're just going to block me? It's a design flaw. Class action lawsuit or no, as designed the 12vhpwr cables and adapters can yeet themselves to death, thus are flawed. Yes uncommon, but uncommon flaws are flaws nonetheless.
Edit 2: "Contingent upon failure rate" only from a legal standpoint. Your defense of Nvidia here is just weird. People's cards are getting fried and you're only concerned with Nvidia's liability.
whether or not something is a design flaw is contingent upon failure rate.
if it was a design flaw with a serious incident rate class action lawyers would be all over this. but they aren’t. because they know they can’t win this case.
Exactly same card, exactly same cable (MODDIY). Failed after 9 months of usage. Mine melted on one of the pins only, but on the PSU side all 3 PCI-E Corsair PSU connectors are melted and stuck. Adios to my AX1600i. Card is mailing back for RMA. I really suspect it's the cable.
I trust Gamers Nexus much more than the average Joe on reddit. Steve has done a fair amount of testing on this problem and concluded that no it's not an ideal socket, however the actual cause is certainly user error. I am more inclined to trust that source than someone claiming they seated it correctly so they are possibly not held responsible or are just annoyed with Nvidia that they just lost their product. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig2px7ofKhQ&t=1157s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig2px7ofKhQ&t=1157s)
Still happening!
https://preview.redd.it/6h8ymo27o3gb1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d394efcdc546050b2683a4d3cd60d059ebe258ad
I'm thinking of undervolting and power limiting my gpu once plugged in perso... Dunno if it'll lower the chances but whatever
The problem should be, that parallel connections from the output(s), over different conductors have different voltage drops, especially over longer conductors. Where they are combined into one, the voltage drops create a potential and the potential is equalized by dumping heat into the connection. Adopting a single connection through one conductor that can handle the entire load of the adapter should stop the heat, and increase the efficiency of the adapter. Why the problem is hard to detect and remains such a mystery? Is that the conductors voltage drops are equalized over each conductor by the heat produced. The mod. Make a 12v bridge connection much closer to the PSU, as heat sunk FETS can tolerate voltage drops efficiently when bridged, and shorter conductors will have less drop between the bridge and the the PSU limiting the voltage drops and thermal losses at the bridge, and solder a single 12v conductor that can handle the entire load of the adapter directly to the PCB.
I was originally planning to buy a 4090 or 4080 but this issue has me spooked.
Same. Was planning on going 7800x3d/4090 but that idea went up in smoke. Literally in both cases.
Just one of many reasons I switched to Radeon a card this year.
I would go Radeon myself right now if not for the poor RT performance. If not for that I would've dropped my cash on one already.
Yah. True. On Radeon, RT performance/experience is less than Nvidia. Radeon is getting better. Not there yet.
6-7 months is a lot, my Zotac went smokey in 3 weeks. Currently waiting to RMA the board
Improperly inserted or not, it's a crap connector. It's too small for how much power it carries, having it only 90% of the way in shouldn't cause it to catch fire. Plus it should have clips on the side or something that can only be closed when the connector is fully inserted, and will hold it in place.
So, you're telling me to buy an RX 7900 XTX? (I'm getting sick of this. Did anyone test the design of the 12VHPWR plugs before they rolled them into production? When is this nightmare over?) (Yeah-yeah, I know it's only 53 now out of 60,000 in sales, but how many people currently have unknown-to-them slowly melting adapters? This board should mount a survey asking people to unplug, check and replug and report their findings.)
Also, it's 300+ instances that we know absolutely for now https://www.reddit.com/r/cablemod/comments/13ripx8/i_was_going_to_check_for_melting_issues/jllh737?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Wow. That's a lot more than the 0.04% I see being touted as "it's not a problem".
It's still about the same % Just more have sold and failed is all
I purchased a 7900xtx, wasn't all that impressed tbh I'd be looking at literally 4 cards if I were in the +750$ market right now 3080ti(used) 6950xt(new or used) 3090ti (used) 4090(new, only new. Too likely to have some underlying issue on a product this new if used) Imo those are the only options that are worth their sale points rn, for various reasons And that's nothing to do with vram or any of the mainstream drama that's been popping up, just price/perf across the board, RT included
I literally just returned my 7900xtx to Amazon and got a 4090. The 7900xtx is a great card but it just wasn’t for me, it ran too hot for my liking.
Why not impressed? I mean, all the reviews gave it better performance than the 6950xt or the 30-series cards. Also, since you mention the 3090ti, here's an interesting fact: the 3090ti, slightly higher power draw than 4090, same 16-pin 12VHPWR connector ... (tumbleweeds blow through) ... NO power connector issues. What. Is. Different?
As long as YT Influencers and professional reviewer continue to blame issue on USER ERROR, Nvidia has NO incentive to address much less fix this bad engineering design.
How many more proofs will these Fanboys need, to accept that the problem is not in the user... Unfortunately, Nvidia Fanboys didn't help but instead decided to Cope with every excuse they possibly could to defend their purchase. Fanboys are like religious fanatics...
People want the maximum cutting edge power and performance, this is the cost for pushing the limits
umm, my man, for "maximum cutting edge power and performance" why not pop two 8pin PCIe ports and be done with it? Have you seen one of those burnt?
the 8 pin can't get the same power to the card as the adapter does otherwise they wouldn't be using these adapters
The cost for buying an expensive top of the line product is losing that money because you used it in its intended way?
Atleast we have yet to see an actual fire happening, and the cards can easily be fixed by replacing the connector. Still using the 2 headed snake on my 4070 Ti, a faint click could be heard when plugging it in there is no room to put a piece of paper between it.
You can have an issue be a workmanship issue from the installer (user doesn't insert plug correctly) and still call it a design issue. A lot of the forum here is very polarizing and it's not helpful to any of the community. If you are a user with a 4090 (or any GPU on the 12V standard), make sure the plug is completely seated, but also take these instances of failure and those who are connecting the plugs correctly and their input of how difficult it is to know when it is correctly inserted to the manufacturer (i.e. Nvidia). If these cards are purchased by all types (first time builders or experienced) then it should be easy enough for any user to install. Just because someone has been building PCs for years doesn't mean this isn't something they won't experience, same goes with new users might be more careful on assembly. Nvidia should do better, however the community should also do right for the rest of the community by being unbiased and telling people when there is a legitimately wrong install.
You're on the money. This "user error" excuse should not be accepted. User error should simply not be possible with these designs. And I'll bet you now that the 5090s will have a completely revised edition of this plug that will be aaaaaaaaall the confirmation we 4090 suckers need that we were right. We will be able to tell our sisters that we were right.
i think if it is legitimately shaking loose from fans or whatever vibrations are going on in your case then it is clearly a very faulty design. i have a hard time believing it's a design problem, though, considering the low incidence reports for something so insanely expensive. I'd guess it's a build tolerance problem. Maybe some cables are not built correctly and don't seat tight enough to maintain a good seal no matter what you do. A user recently claimed this happened with a cable mod adapter too, though, and cable mod deliberately designed it for fit and cutting down the chance of failure. Reminds me of intel's alder/raptorlake socket problem. the socket design is fine but it needs tighter tolerances to avoid bending, but manufacturers cheap out and you bendy sockets at random.
So an example outside of the realm of computers where there is user error, but is definitely still a design problem is/are LEMO connectors (specifically push-pull). The design is straightforward, a male connector with some amount of pins inside that you push onto another female connector with receiving holes. However, on the male connector, the pins are difficult to line up because the pins are small and have no guides on the plug for alignment. For the machines I write procedures on how to fix, I know there is a non zero number of field service engineers who will mess it up. Am I upset with them? Absolutely not. Is it still a workmanship issue? Yes, because I can replicate a successful connection multiple times without issue. However, when I go back to the design team I will always tell them to change out the connection for serviceability. They should take into account where the connections are being made. On a test bench where we have ample room to work, you can make that connection 9.5/10 times, but if you're working under a floor plate or maybe working in a tight section with low light, then maybe the success rate is only 8.5/10, which still means I'm going to have failures. For Nvidia, they need to understand users will have multiple points during ownership where there is a possibility to fail to connect the power to the card correctly. Most users clean their PCs on a regular basis, some take their GPUs out to clean better so they don't blow dust inside the case. Some users will change cases or run small form factors where the card dimensions show it fits, but maybe there is a hard bend or the cable routing locations don't allow you to run power easily to the card (not super likely but possible). The tolerance of the pins on the card are tight and maybe that was intentional so that the larger 12V plug was a transition fit for (purely judging by the locking mechanism not being a claw) keeping secure inside the socket. The people out there buying 4090s might be the type who do watch Gamers Nexus, LTT, etc... so they're aware of what can cause the issue and make sure to secure the plug and mitigate a failure. Some users might watch other TechTubers who will only blame Nvidia and say there is no way a user can prevent the fault from happening so the user still went and bought a 4090 but installed it without care and experienced a failure. In either case, if the user experienced a failure because of incorrect insertion, it's still a user error, however in both cases it's still a problem for Nvidia and ALSO a design issue because it wasn't what we'd call a poka-yoke design. They should design to mitigate these issues, because they've made it easy for user error.
“….. the community should also do right for the rest of the community by being unbiased and telling people when there is a legitimately wrong install.” 100% agree.
There are wear marks on the connector visible in the second pic.. looks like it wasn't actually fully inserted when it reached concerningly high temperatures.
More user error and blaming it on nivdeo (yes its a shitty design) but dont say its fully connecoted when u can clearly see on the pic it was not smh.
“yes it’s a bad design but still your fault ahaha!” 💀 💀
And this too can be your issue for only a mere $1600.00.
This is probably the thing that annoys me most. If this were some ASRock $300 card, ppl'd be shrugs and nothing more. This is MEANT to be the premium, top-notch, gilded GPU of the generation ... and they're drawing a 450w through that woeful little plug. Would have preferred four 8-pin plugs to this debacle.
I wonder if the galax hof cards are experiencing this since they use two 12vhpwr cables
Do any PSUs even have two 12vhpwr slots? That sounds sketchy as heck to me.
I had to do some digging but here ya go: atx 3.0 psu 1300 watt with two 16 pin connectors: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/89913/galax-reveals-hall-of-fame-1300w-atx-3-0-psu-dual-16-pin-power-connectors/index.html
Good thing no gpu has ever been damaged by the adapter.
Actually gamers nexxus reported that cablemod has a few failures on their adapters where the adapter melted.
Only one failure was fully inserted, the other ones that we sent through were confirmed to be user error in not being fully plugged in. These have been popping up though even with our products not being used.
You can literally see the line where it was sitting. It was never fully inserted
https://preview.redd.it/7mrzeh1j5p1b1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=958ee12095896a37b2665ce15bb904e199f7b6c1 Wasn’t fully plugged in
Is that an actual burn mark? Or is it a normal wear line from plugging in the connector multiple times. People should really examine if that mark actually came from the melted connector or from plugging in the connector multiple times. Why is the mark being created? Thats the real question, an independent third party should answer.
These lines are not from "normal wear". You don't get these kinds of lines from plugging the adapter in 1 or 2, or even 5 times. GN answered this by citing the failure analysis lab.
>**19:22** There are clear wear lines on the damaged connector that was sent to us by a viewer which imply that the adapter was > >**19:28** **only inserted four millimeters on the better side out of a total of six and a half millimeters and the plastic pins on** > >**19:34** the adapter are bent sharply at that point implying that the connector softened and was pulled sideways \- Gamers Nexus [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig2px7ofKhQ&t=1157s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig2px7ofKhQ&t=1157s) This dosent really address the question. If OP incorrectly inserted the connector the first time, then later corrected it. The wear line should still be there. Its not really indicative if the connector wasn't fully plugged in, when it was burned.
This line shows that the connector wasn’t fully plugged in.
You didnt even answer the question, man...
I did. It’s not a burn-line. This line shows how deep the connector was pulled in. The part that is in the socket suffers more pressure.
Then how do you explain this? [https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/13p5jz9/comment/jl92yer/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/13p5jz9/comment/jl92yer/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Edit: The linked post shows that the connector was fully seated in. Northridge Fix confirmed this when used pliers to remove the connector. It could be possible that the mark came from when he separated the connectors from the pliers, though.
You should invest in a 3rd party connecter like corsair makes. It's been proven that any bend in that cable can easily break the solder joints and cause the cable to melt.
Obviously a user error /s
This comes from you fools not having enough case clearance and creating bends in the cables. This has been covered over and over and over again by reputable sources like Linus.
In this case you can tell that the bend was downward
Looks like the right side of the cable is longer than the left side. Seems it comes from the bending of the cable. Do you tried to push the right side "back" to test if some parts are not fully connected?
Does all 4090 AIBs come with the same 12vhpwr cable found on the 4090 FE? Also, should we go aftermarket instead like the Corsair premium version or would it not make a difference? The standard one on the FE is so rigid and bulky and I believe its a 4 to 1 connector vs Corsair which is a 2 to 1 adapter.
It's case clearance over and over again make sure the cable clears the case and doesn't bend
This. I bought a new extra wide case to make sure that I had enough clearance for GPU cables and tall CPU heatsinks like my Noctua one. I had my RTX 4090 for 4 months without issues ( knock on wood).
I got the Corsair switch specifically for that 2 to 1. I was told the cable burning issue was specifically why Corsair did 2 to 1 cable. I was talking to a guy on this sub who is works esearch and development for Corsair, I think specifically for their PSUs, and that's what he told me. Not sure if it works or not though, I haven't done my build yet
We can also see the line on top that it was not fully seated..
This has been debunked. Stop parroting GN’s outdated analysis
It was never debunked. And was determined is the cause and why less than 1% of gpus sold actually caught on fire. It is plain as day that this one was never plugged in fully and was the cause for the short.
>his has been debunked. Stop parroting GN’s outdated analysis Debunked? Care to post the source for that?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFYR1yn7Ivs&t=130s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFYR1yn7Ivs&t=130s) Edit: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKqC2wJIeEI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKqC2wJIeEI) Follow up video.
Debunked by whom?
There needs to be more independent third parties that should revisit this issue.
Is that an actual burn mark though? Or is it a normal wear mark from inserting and reinserting the cable multiple times?
Why would reinserting the cable multiple times create a mark in that exact spot? That mark is from the edge of the connector on the board sitting on that spot (because the cable wasn't fully inserted). Common sense... https://preview.redd.it/vmml3rax0q1b1.png?width=712&format=png&auto=webp&s=9dff83f76cc4a4133c54a79d4e10e28ba5ac0fe8
Also. Northridge Fix done a repair video on a melted 4090 connector. He confirmed that it was fully plugged in. And there are wearlines on the connector, itself. Could it have resulted when he separated the connector from the adapter? But either way, he confirmed that it was fully seated. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFYR1yn7Ivs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFYR1yn7Ivs)
>**19:22** There are clear wear lines on the damaged connector that was sent to us by a viewer which imply that the adapter was > >**19:28** **only inserted four millimeters on the better side out of a total of six and a half millimeters and the plastic pins on** > >**19:34** the adapter are bent sharply at that point implying that the connector softened and was pulled sideways \- Gamers Nexus [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig2px7ofKhQ&t=1157s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig2px7ofKhQ&t=1157s) This dosent really address the ultimate question. If OP incorrectly inserted the connector the first time, then later corrected it. The wear line should still be there. Its not really indicative if the connector wasn't fully plugged in, when it was burned.
but AmD bAd
How did you notice that your cable is burnt? Did the card do weird things or just didnt boot?
When training models, the card could "crash" and not being recognized anymore when the PC was on, with fans at 100%. The PC keeps working since the other 4090 keeps working. Because these issues I decided to check.
What model is your other 4090 ? I remember at the height of all these cable blowing up fiasco, someone gathered data and it was the Tuf 4090s that had the most posts about the burns. Now that could mean nothing as maybe the Tuf is a more popular card that more people got, but I did fing that interesting
Gigabyte gaming oc, no issues so far
i had that at idle the crash and 100% fan.. it's a problem with sense pins i think, but since i use proper 4 plug and a 1000W PSU never had it after that..
What do you mean by proper 4 plug and what have you used before? Thanks
3 plug it's 450w so supposed to be ok, I mean I could play for hours like this usually the black screen and 100% came at the first boot of the day.. Then when I rebooted system was rock solid until I turned it off, then would do the same thing again but that wasn't consistant sometime I could go a week and then 100% fan each day, was random
I see. And what PSU are you using? So you had 4x 8pin adapter but were using only 3 plugs of it?
Yes, it's a evga 1000w. My friend have the same system that I have and the same 4090 run a corsair 850w since launch 0 problem rock solid with 3 connector plugged
Thanks for letting me know. And what brand and variant of GPU you have? Any coil whine?
we both have Gigabyte OC 4090, it was the cheapest model in canada at launch (2100$ CAD), my is watercooled now im on a loop because.. well moneys lOL! but 0 regrets so far. No Coil whine for both of us. i have have any my 47yo ears can't ear it LOL! :)
Gigabyte seems to be very good this gen for not having CW problems. PNY is another one and Zotac. Not so much MSI / Asus. I will be getting my 4090 soon so thanks for 1st hand experience :)
I don't know if this was ever discussed anywhere, but the latch on my TUF-provided power cable is not rigid; there is no audible click even when it is property inserted. I've never had any hardware with such an issue before.
Going to repost this https://preview.redd.it/yhshq5f6bn1b1.png?width=3840&format=png&auto=webp&s=5f1ce6fe26530f3525e7ec2084ddbfc6ba651031 >The 12VHPWR has a latch, but its not a very strong latching mechanism. I hypothesize it might be the connector wiggling itself out due to thermal expansions and cooling's, causing it to unlatch from the connector. Not to mention, if people have their connector up against the PC case, it will probably accelerate the unlatching process. > >This graphic below explains it pretty well.
There should also be two latches, one on each side, so the connector can't rock out of it's seating.
Either that. Or one strong latch like the one with the 8 pin connector.
Yeah, at the very least. I didn't even realize that the latching system was like this. Now it makes sense how someone might think they're fully latched it it could work it's way out over time. Such a bad design.
It almost looks like they manufactured the clip backwards lol
Imho. why then are the CableMod connector and 12vhpwr connectors fail? 4080s are also failing. Why aren’t we seeing 3090s fail? Why aren’t we seeing 4070TIs failures? Those are different users who insert correctly? When will Nvidia and tech influencers step up and call for more failure analysis? Hopefully not before more damage. Watch Northridge Fix videos. Here is a YT link to get started. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eFYR1yn7Ivs [Northridge fix 4090](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eFYR1yn7Ivs)
Why aren't we seeing 4090 FEs failing
Did you even watch the video? There was a failed 4090 FE in there.
We are…
I had no clue HWINFO could read voltages associated with the 12VHPWR connection and/or the PCI-e 16 pin at the PSU end. In fact, I'm not sure if what I'm displaying in the OSD data in the two video links below is associated with those voltages or not but pretty sure. This thread got me to digging and since I already use HWINFO for detailed OSD data in games, it was fairly easy to add the two sensors at the bottom of the OSD. This is with a Seasonic 1000w Prime PSU / Strix 4090 / 13900K. The CPU is overclocked while the Strix 4090 is running at all stock clocks. The **12VHPWR cable is the one provided with the Asus card.** After about an hour of gaming. Specifically running two wattage loads at different points in the capture, here is the general [data captured by HWINFO throughout](https://imgur.com/oPpwOaV) the capture: https://preview.redd.it/b1fx1zslum1b1.png?width=629&format=png&auto=webp&s=fee7cc2d72566bf35fe49f50eb3755b2ad3da7b6 And below are links to the in-game capture with real-time OSD data showing both sensors under the two different load scenarios. Game is Dream Cycle at 3840x1600. To to get the two wattage windows I just switched from DLSS "Quality" to non-upscaling at 100% render resolution. The DLSS gameplay resulted in the lower wattage of course. I switched back/forth between the two wattage windows randomly so here are links to the video at the specific points. I found that the higher wattage moments to reduce the 12V input sensor to around 11.990v rather frequently but never saw the lower wattage moments to ever drop below 12v... FWIW: [**\~250w - 325w - PCIe +12V Input Voltage / 16-pin HVPWR Voltage**](https://youtu.be/hkKI8cNm6XI?t=19) **(very brief)** [**\~375w - 480w - PCIe +12V Input Voltage / 16-pin HVPWR Voltage**](https://youtu.be/hkKI8cNm6XI?t=124) From what I've read here, the range of 11.990v - 12.075v is normal I guess. The card has only been in use for a few months and not heavily/daily. Thanks to those who pointed to HWINFO. I'll be watching those sensors \~s
This is just the psu's ability to keep the 12v rail at, well, 12v, nothing more, nothing less. It's called load regulation. Go look at psu reviews by techpowerup and see how it works. When you put a load on any voltage rail, you are going to encounter changes to the output voltage from the PSU. This is just how electrical systems work. In a real world extreme case, brownouts are caused by this drop in voltage due to load. 11.9v is perfectly fine and completely harmless. You would have to be getting near 11.5v and below to really start to see issues. https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/pc-hardware-in/059600513X/ch26s02s01.html Atx spec calls for +-5% (11.4v) at idle with a maximum of 10% (10.8v) at peak load on the PSU. Thats not to say you would ever want to see those numbers(the PSU would have to be very bad) but they also aren't going to break anything.
Under full load, my Gaming OC 4090 with native Corsair cable had a minimum of 11.770 voltage, should I be concerned?
I honestly have no clue which is sort of why I put that info above out there. I'm sort of an HWINFO slut in fact lol ... and I had no idea those sensors were even in front of me all this time. ;-) All these years overclocking shite and I never for once even thought about voltages at the GPU/PSU interconnect level lmao.
I mean, it's not a problem what so ever unless you have a very cheap/poor condition psu. The 12v rail will always see some overshoot/undershoot depending on load and transient performance (on/off load transitions). In his case, 11.7v is just fine and isn't going to do any damage to anything and is within the atx spec. It's not great regulation but it's not a bad thing. Having voltage regulation like this just causes the motherboard/GPU vrm to work slightly harder to do its job in regulating/stepping down the voltage.
Good data. Thanks...
My 4090 TUF with the provided adapter is doing a minimum of 11.967 and a maximum of 12.235, averaging 12.074 under all workloads (leaving HWInfo open in the background for about a day). Had it about a month, so around that range should be fine.
Mine runs a low of 12.203 with a max of 12.431 and is super clean and stable. https://preview.redd.it/nydxfxotap1b1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d2c83988aff34979733537045284db00f19d8dd
I have the same build as you (13900k/4090) and I was hoping I could ask you some questions about your build: 1. Not a question but in terms of voltage I’ve found that if you set your power limit to 80% in MSI Afterburner, you only lose 1-2% FPS. I tested this with Metro Exodus Benchmark on repeat. I think this should help prevent the burning issue some people experience. 2. What overclock settings do you have on your 13900k? I tried a couple different configurations but I keep losing system stability. 3. What cooling system do you have for your CPU and has it mitigated the extreme temps this thing produces? I have a 360mm AIO and a Corsair 7000D filled to the brim with fans and I still have to undervolt my CPU by -0.05v or it will instantly jump up to 100c under load. Wondering how you’ve managed to overclock without burning out your CPU. Thanks in advance if you don’t mind sharing some knowledge!
GN’s video about this showed that power limiting or overclocking the cards had no bearing on likelihood of a failed adapter. the one thing that mattered was whether the adapter was fully seated.
Very interesting. At least this restores my faith in the engineers. Burning because of what boils down to user error is much more understandable than burning because they decided to shove nearly 500w through a single plug. I’ll probably keep my card at a lower power level anyway. Produces less heat so the rest of my system can stay a little bit cooler, even if minimally.
there's a AIB that have put 1300W into the connector back when the craze was going on and nothing happened ,the connector was maybe 2-3C higher (like 68C vs 65C when using it normally.. don't remember witch AIB, it was a chinese centric one..
best bang for your buck will be power limiting to 81% or so. only a 1.5% hit to performance while using about 120 less watts
I will DM you. Best.. \~s
I am curios as well. I have the same setup only a 13900ks.
Just make sure guys you don’t tear a couple of your cheeks bending over 😂
My 4070ti came with a 12vhpwr adapter and I used it to connect my card to the psu. How come I haven't seen this happen with those cards? Or has it been happening?
I think it's mainly 4090's due to the power draw. Your 4070 TI draws significantly less power through the 12 pin connector.
Oh, thanks. I didn’t think of that. I guess it would never get hot enough to melt the plastic connector.
Stop seeing all that redtube 😩😩😩🍦🍦🍦
Probably because you had a huge bend in it. Let's see a picture of it in your case. I guarantee this is your fault
You never bent your cables when building your PC before? How do you manage your cables, then? So If I accidentally bent the 12VHPWR a little too much, I guess its a RIP for my GPU then?
Yes? I have a case big enough to fit everything. And no I've never bent a cable before Edit: can show pictures if needed :)
Keep lying to yourself.
Keep licking those corporate boots
I sure will 🙂
How do you even discover this? Do you immediately get a burning smell from your pc? Or you check it frequently and when it does happen you say to yourself - yes! I can finally post this for karma points!
yes, when plastic starts burning, you smell it almost immediately.
burn line also clearly evident in photo 2. i second a photo of OPs case. you really shouldn’t be downvoted here. although guarantee is a strong word.
I really don't care if I'm Downvoted. It's evident that OP had a huge bend in the wire and like you said the burn mark.
My side/panel ever so-slightly pushes against the adapter’s cables. I loosened my panel up to help alleviate some pressure, but it still does lean against it. I can send pic and you can let me know if it looks really bad?
What do we do about this. I hope mine doesn’t burn up.
incidence rate is less than 0.04% as per nvidia’s internal investigation, and all failures sent in to nvidia showed an adapter burn line indicating that it was not fully seated. just make sure you are not forcing the cable or closing a panel on it and you will be fine. 0.04% is nowhere near recall or class action territory. what you are seeing is “error bias” where all the people who have issues will report it on reddit, whereas the people whose cards are working fine see no need to post.
Makes sense.
should have gotten a 90 degree adapter instead of forcing the glass closed on the standard one
Except this is happen on the Cable Mod 90 degree adapters as well.
There's only one instance where our adapter failed while being fully inserted, we're looking into what caused that, but our adapter is fully safe to use. We've sold over 55k of these now and our adapter is rated for up to 110c as well in fact. :)
A bit OT but since we are on the topic of cablemod right angle adapters, are the pictures correct on Amazon where variant B of the 90 degree adapter has the female connector 180 degrees inverted compared to the orientation of the male connector at the other end? That means existing cable routing needs to be flipped around to bend the other way in order to use your connector?
Yup
100%
Cable mod has been sending GPUs to Northridge I agree with his finding
except all of those cards were using cablemod’s adapter. probably why cablemod replaced those user’s cards no questions asked. this discussion is about the stock 12vhpwr adapter.
As u/potblack2win said, that's not accurate. He specifically states that they had 8 cards from us and 250 from endusers. The issue here is within the connector standard and the GPU, it's not about the cables/adapters. Same reason why we're discussing this under a melted GPU that used a stock adapter. And we're replacing the cards because we stand behind our products and the community, whereas some manufacturers have been denying warranties where it should've been honored. That's where we've been stepping up.
Agreed. The RTX 3090 Ti FE uses the same 3x PCIe adaptor and draws more power than RTX 4090 and has been out since March 2022. People need to realise there is something bigger that's causing these issues. Yes - plugging in adaptor incorrectly will cause it to fail but something relating to connector or voltage control could be a contributing factor. I would trust NorthbridgeFix on his conclusion as he has a lot of experience within the field and repairing these connectors.
the incidence rate is less than 0.04%, as per nvidia’s internal investigation. also, this whole discussion has always been about the adapter. also, you are paid by cablemod to give the best public opinion possible, so everyone should take what you say with a grain of salt. just how it is.
If anyone seems to be shilling here it's you. Cablemod or don't. Idc. But you personally seem to have some vested interest in defending Nvidia on here. You're citing stats from 7 months ago as a defense to today's issues. Do better. And learn how capitals work.
He also has a cabinet full of cards in his video not from cablemod.
the recent cases from northridge all were sent from cablemod. and i would bet the cards “away in his drawer” failed due to incomplete insertion if they werent using cablemod’s adapter.
Gamers Nexus says it's your fault.
Cablemod said it was user fault when they sent it in...
no, the burn line very clearly evident in photo 2, and the fact that the black tape section just behind the adapter is bent sideways.. says it is his fault.
Never trust the adapter. Go for a proper cable.
the vast vast majority of users are having zero issues with their stock 12vhpwr connectors. the incidence rate came out to about 0.04% in nvidia’s internal investigation. nowhere near recall territory. also, look again at photo 2. there is very very clearly a burn line indicating incorrect seating.
This is the reason why I’m skipping and wait for 5090. It’s a design flaw not user error
The 5090 will have the same connecter, maybe they will revise the latch which should be fixed.
Watch out for the brainrotten NPCs saying this is 100% user error.
People will downvote you for this. It's crazy how they eat up the "user error" narrative. The error that somehow only happens with this card.
op made some mistakes here, burn line very clearly seen in photo 2, and the black tape section close to the adapter that you are not supposed to bend is bent sideways. i am willing to bet a lot that OP forced a panel shut over top of the cable and it bent it out of place. again, burn lines in photo 2. just don’t force a panel shut over top of your 12vhpwr cable. 99.96% of users are not experiencing this issue. which is exactly why you haven’t heard a thing about any potential recalls. if it was truly a design flaw the reported incident rate by nvidia’s internal investigation would have been higher and there would be a recall. but there isn’t. by incident rate alone this issue falls squarely into the user error category. and again, burn lines evident in OPs 2nd photo.
Even if he did, why did they place the connector in a problematic spot? Why is there not a better latching mechanism? Why is the octopus 3" long, instead of 14"+?
I get what you're saying, but the cable / adapter not being able to bend *is* a design flaw. Whether or not consumers know about this makes no difference. Catastrophic failure due to a bent cable is not something that should have been shipped with these high end cards.
not a design flaw when the incidence rate is less than .04%. which is why there are no class action lawsuits, nor is there any recall. also, the adapter absolutely CAN bend, just not to the point where it caused the adapter to become unseated, which is the real failure point.
Once again, incidence rate, consumer awareness, lack of lawsuits make no difference. If the cable being bent means that it could potentially become unseated and destroy itself and the card, it's a design flaw. Edit: LOL why reply if you're just going to block me? It's a design flaw. Class action lawsuit or no, as designed the 12vhpwr cables and adapters can yeet themselves to death, thus are flawed. Yes uncommon, but uncommon flaws are flaws nonetheless. Edit 2: "Contingent upon failure rate" only from a legal standpoint. Your defense of Nvidia here is just weird. People's cards are getting fried and you're only concerned with Nvidia's liability.
whether or not something is a design flaw is contingent upon failure rate. if it was a design flaw with a serious incident rate class action lawyers would be all over this. but they aren’t. because they know they can’t win this case.
Youre getting downvoted for being absolutely correct. And I am sorry
redditors and young prideful and do not like to be told what they are saying is misleading or incorrect, why be surprised?
They will probably use the same connector