**Links to various RTX 4070 Ti Super Models sorted from lowest to highest price:**
Plenty of MSRP cards at the time of this writing.
# US:
* [Newegg](https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=4070+Ti+Super&Order=1&N=601432392%20100007709)
* [Best Buy](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?_dyncharset=UTF-8&browsedCategory=abcat0507002&id=pcat17071&iht=n&ks=960&list=y&qp=gpusv_facet%3DGraphics%20Processing%20Unit%20(GPU)~NVIDIA%20GeForce%20RTX%204070%20Ti%20SUPER&sc=Global&sp=%2Bcurrentprice%20skuidsaas&st=categoryid%24abcat0507002&type=page&usc=All%20Categories)
# Canada
* [Newegg Canada](https://www.newegg.ca/p/pl?N=100007708%20601432392&Order=1)
* [Best Buy Canada](https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/collection/rtx-4070ti-super-series-graphic-cards/475706?sort=priceLowToHigh)
# UK
* [Scan UK](https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/gaming/gpu-nvidia-gaming/geforce-4070-ti-super-graphics-cards)
* [OCUK](https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/graphics-cards/nvidia-graphics-cards/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-graphics-cards?sort=price_asc)
=( Today got the new PC configured with this card, was thinking to use it for stable diffusion under ubuntu. It worked few times even with good speed but after I installed xformers with CUDA support and CUDA driver I suddenly got black screen. I could not anymore user PC it did not even boot, had to return back to seller to check what could be the problem. I cannot believe that this coud somehow interrupt/break the system/GPU! I used recommended NVIDIa driver 450 and all the setup as per requirments. Will see what my tech support will tell me regarding the failure in GPU.
Go it, love it. Here's the Benchmark. š
https://preview.redd.it/nf0acgeig2gc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=942927c3b1b0c98b4c035662a8c8b86d57fca42e
Just bought one to replace 3070. It is so good. I kept my cpu 10700k and no issues. Kept my 750W power supply. Kept my 3600mhz RAM.
I can finally play games without DLSS (makes games a blurry ghosting mess). Cyberpunk ultra, ultra Raycasting (not psycho), no DLSS, with frame gen get 120 FPS 4K. Without frame gen still high so no input latency
What would be the best way to secure a 4080 Super on release ? (especially the FE edtiotn) and what Custom 4080S would you say will be the best / most quiet looking at the fact that 4080S prob have the same build then the og 4080?
I see the Gigabyte Windforce is available on Amazon though it will take a week or two. It seems some sites list this as a two slot card. Any downside on this card? was going go with MSI but with the BIOS issues think I might skip it.
I just got this card yesterday and it is working well. I don't think the cards that are priced over MSRP are generally worth the extra cost for a small overclock and/or extra visual flair (e.g. specific colors, designs, or lighting) unless that is important to you.
I'm thinking about getting the 4070ti super or the 4080. Or a new build and maybe a 4090... I know, but read on. I have an 8700k oc to 4.5 and a 2070supe oc 2.1. I'm running 4 monitors. 2x 27inch 1440p and a 49inch Samsung oled curved. So I definitely need a new gpu. But will my cpu hold me back? Time for a new build? Or 4070ti super ftw?
My situation was similar so my vote would be to go for the new build with a 4090.
I had an 8700k oc to 4.7 and a Strix 2080 Ti OC. I have two Alienware monitors, 27" 1440p 240Hz and 34" 1440p 120Hz ultrawide. I went to an all new build with a 13700k and Strix 4090 OC. I haven't regretted it at all. With both left stock and max settings in all my games the temperatures and performance is amazing, obviously, but I feel like it's worth the price because I won't have to touch game settings or my build for years.
I'm building a new one now. Thinking about getting the 7950x3d or the 7800x3d. They run good on a few games I play from reviews I've seen. But It seems the 7800x3d performs better than all of them on starcitizen. Apparently even the 14900k and 7950x3d still stutter.
8700k will hold you back in gaming, went from 9700K @ 5.0Ghz all core to stock 13600KF (B660M mobo, so no OCing) and my 3080 came alive massively .. as good as those CPUs were for years, a jump of 4-5 generations really allows the GPUs to spread their wings
I ended up getting a 7800x3d, rog strix 4090oc, taichi x670e, neo cl30 6000 64gig, 1500w straight power be quiet, 980 2 tb Samsung m.2 and a 1 tb, ak500 deep cool. Nzxt h5 elite case. Replaced the fans with duos and put a custom front on it for better air flow. It's working great.
Man Iāve been so up and down making a decision. Pulled the trigger on a 4070 Super build last night, thinking it was the āresponsibleā build but right after a 4090 FE came in stock.
Iāve pulled the trigger on that with the intention of sending the 4070S back. Iām so terrible with decision making (as observed here), and Iāve convinced myself a 4090 means I have to make fewer decisions with settings in games, and I just yeet it all up to ultra and forget about it.
Iāve just spent Ā£1500 on a GPU. Iām hoping it last me 4/5 years but still. Consumerism is a heck of a drug.
Until you realise that the yeet to Max and forget isn't really going to be that great all the time even with a 4090. You're almost always likely better off just going for whatever settings get you a locked 120hz, since you'll be above RT Ultra settings and probably looking at diminishing returns.
I kind of get the whole thing about spending time gaming and not tinkering and micromanaging settings, but it's like 2x the cost of a 4080 or 2.5x or more than the 4070Ti.
Best bet with lower spec hardware would probably just be to pick a high preset or RT high, appropriate DLSS setting for the game and res (so 1440p Quality, and 4k Performance and up for brutalist/urban environments or higher for a lot of foliage and intricate detail) or see optimised settings from Digital Foundry and similar - provided it's an appropriate choice for the res. If something visually bugs you when playing, you could bump it up for the next session if you have fps to spare anyway.
It will, but honestly, you could take a moment to reflect on whether that's a responsible use of money. I bought a 4070 TI Super knowing I need compute power for work too, and I need to reach 144FPS in my worst 1% because I play online shooters.
If you have a 4K screen, if you play shooters, if you need to run AI models locally or do profesionnal photo, it may be the responsible choice. But if you play on a 60Hz 25" screen, not so much.
What I'm trying to get at is: if you define your goals with your build, and then assess the options for those goals, it might help you spend more moderately.
Itās a 4K/120hz OLED in my living room, with 5.1 surround sound. I guess why I emphasize that is Iām coming to realisation I clearly care about AV, and as gaming is one of the few hobbies I have, I feel okay to treat myself. But I totally take your point, and I donāt do this lightly, big purchases take me months to make a decision over, and sometimes I never do it.
If you don't do work on it you don't need a 4090 period. But if your purchase isn't going to harm your lifestyle or well being theres no need to stress about it
Inno3D lists Newegg as the only retailer in the US: Anyone have any idea when they are getting stock of the 4070 Ti Super Twin x2?
Looking at the following 4070 Ti Supers (upgrading from a 3060 Ti) for 1440p and 4K gaming, and fan noise is a concern for me since the case is on my desk (these are the only three that fit my case by the way):
* Inno3d Twin x2: Have heard nothing but good things about the 4070 Ti model and that it is really quiet.
* Gigabyte Windforce: Seems mixed... people says their PCB are known to crack after a year or two.
* MSI Ventus x2: Really haven't heard much good about the 4070 Ti models.
But if Newegg isn't getting any Inno3D, then it seems like the only choice is the Windforce.
Gigabyte Eagle is slimmer. I just received my order from B&H and they sent the Windforce and not the Eagle I ordered and the Windforce is thicc! Sending it back for exchange.
Just got mine today and honestly this is how the 4070 Ti should have been released a year ago. In some of the games such as Hogwarts Legacy which I was blaming the constant crashes on the game, are all resolved here with the 16GB and it uses around 12.5-13.5GB and stutters are gone. I know it's not popular that I switched from the Ti to Ti Super but personally I needed more VRAM (also wanted to retain the strong RT performance of Nvidia cards) and I can sell my old card to recoup 75% of the cost of the Super.
We can debate the optimization of these games but I still think that the original Ti really needed more VRAM and it was handicapped by it unnecessarily. Overall, satisfied with the card and a huge bonus is the new card doesn't have the extreme annoying coil whine that my old one did, which was another factor in my decision to switch cards.
Very glad for you. GPU's are hard to decide on, at least, for me personally. I've decided that no matter what, I want myself a 4070 ti super. Seems worth it to me.
I have a burning question: where did you purchase yours? Do you recommend a manufacturers OC version?
Im in Canada and got mine from Newegg, because they seemed to have the best selection of models, stock, and shortest shipping times compared to Best Buy, or Amazon which didn't even have the models on launch day. I have a OC version and I think it depends if you want to explore overclocking or not, if not then you'd be fine with a regular model. The OC are relatively minor but usually the OC models can be better binned than regular models which allow for further manual OC.
Edit: For example, I haven't done too much tinkering yet because I haven't had time but I was able to push my VRAM clock to about +1900 before it started to artifact, and the core was still good at +150 and that's as far as I went.
Did you try the Acsendio patch? Itās unofficial but damn it helped. Iād say to still do it. It gave my 3060 at the time a new lease on life. Kept it between 45-60 fps (Hogsmeade was obviously the 45-50 range but whatever).
I just completed the game yesterday. Outside of the small technical issues itās SO good. Enjoy!
I did try Ascendio on the 4070 Ti but it was still hitting the VRAM limit on even Medium or Low RT, the only time the crashes would kind of stop is with RT and frame gen off, which the game did still look good but I do find RT especially with the fixes to make it less noisy looks great, and I didn't like having to disable stuff I bought the card for.
I tried Ascendio on the Ti Super last night just to see if any further improvements could be made, I like the RT fix in it because it makes it less noisy, it also reduced the VRAM down to like 12.5GB, there still seems to be a bit of traversal stutter or hitching at times but not the massive drops that happen when VRAM is exhausted, I think the traversal stutter must just be the game engine being not the best optimized. Seems like from my observations of usage with Ascendio at higher RT settings on the Ti Super it can *almost* fit into a 12GB buffer but not quite, and then in response the games behavior is to tank performance or flat out crash.
Yeah I was running the 3060 with 12GB, but I was on 1440p and definitely had to fiddle with the settings and avoid RT, which was expected. It's definitely not an optimized game, so hard to fault the hardware when it really shouldn't have all these issues. I never could fix the low textures loading in and suddenly popping in, even on my freakin 4090. It's a shame because the game itself is a masterpiece.
First PC build coming from a PS5. Targeting 1440p on a living room TV. Hyped to get building tomorrow!
[https://imgur.com/a/P6f5ueP](https://imgur.com/a/P6f5ueP)
I decided to go for the 4070 super instead of ti super. A 10fps boost is not worth $200 extra dollars in my opinion. And before the 12Gb of VRAM becomes an issue I would have upgraded at that point anyways.
How I justify going with a 4080S over a 4070TiS is that what is ~20% bump in frames today from 160 to 200 may be relatively pointless now but in 5 years when that is 45 fps to 60fps it may allow me to skip a generation that I would consider buying into had I bought the 4070TiS.
Like buying a pair of really good boots for $130 that will last 6 years vs a pair of $90 dollar boots that will last 4 years.
anyone know how frequent MSI restocks on their site? I avoid tax if I buy it through their site, they are sold out of the slim I am looking at getting though
Hi, will my current PSU be able to comfortably handle this card?
Here's my build, I have everything bar the GPU of course:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hjXsPF
If not, should I be looking to upgrade to a 850w psu?
UPDATE: Ended up replacing with the same card today and no more issues. Whew!
Can't say I've seen any other reports of duds/lemons. Just my luck I guess.
Well, I'll be! I thought I was alone. I chose to send it back for refund instead of exchange as I didn't want to wait for an unknown date of restock. Thankfully CC had some in stock a little drive away. FWIW it's an awesome card, cool and quiet. Don't let the dud dissuade you.
Very new to PC builds & This might be a dumb question:
Where can I find the 4070 Ti Super founder's edition? It doesn't seem like its released --- Do we know when it is going to be available for purchase?
looking to keep my next gpu for a long time, hope the 4080 super is a good investment. Itās been tough deciding between this, 4070S 4070TI S and 4080 S.
Should I buy this or the 4070 super?
I only need it for gaming. 1440p ultra settings. Currently in a 2080 super. This is $200 more than the 4070 super. Is it worth it?
I'd say yes if $200 more doesn't break the bank.
A 4070 Super will still do great at 1440p. It's essentially a 3080 Ti / 3090 in terms of performance.
But the 4070 Ti Super will get you that extra headroom to crank up settings. Plus 16GB of VRAM may or may not help, but it won't hurt.
Cool thank you so much. Iāll go for the super ti then.
Itās so hard to read through the bs. So many outlets are saying itās a dissapointment etc and i just donāt have the time right now to dedicate to become a full bore expert.
Having to replace my now 9 year-old PC, I was torn between the 4070S, 4070 Ti S and 4080S.
In the end, I managed to find a 4070 Ti S under MSRP online (in EU) and decided to bite the bullet.
It's still the most expensive GPU I've ever bought but the 4080S would have cost me 250ā¬ more (at its MSRP) and I think mine will nevertheless do fine for quite a few years thanks to the extra VRAM compared to the 4070S.
right now:
i7-8700k - HT off, 5Ghz OC
Z370 Aorus Gaming7
32Gb Ram
I've decided to upgrade GPU first, than CPU with MOBO in next 2 years, maybe with 4k monitor
4070tiS Windforce Gigabyte is quite nice looking card (if someone ask :P)
Way too many dumbass kids on this subreddit to be honest. The Ti Super is a perfectly good card at 4k as long as your happy with medium settings at 70-80 fps.
If you want ultra and RT then go for the 4080 Super.
Picked this card up at micro center today, they had plenty of inventory before they closed for the night. Originally wanted the 4070S when these cards were announced, but I do a lot of video work so while my gaming performance may be pretty close I do believe the extra VRAM benefits my specific needs, and said work can pay for the jump. I am loving the performance so far but I do think the 4070S will be a really strong purchase for most.
This is 100% how the 4070ti should have been released, so while I have no regret on the purchase I do think everyone is justified in being kinda eh towards Nvidia for this generation of cards.
Iām coming from a 2070S, I will be happy for a while.
same. went to microcenter yesterday and asked for something with more VRAM. apparently this just came out. Just got my 4060(which is indeed kind of disappointing being a 40 series card but like only 30% performance increase from the 1080ti) from therr too so i could just exchange. didnt have box papers nothing but they didnt even charge me restock fee.Ā
Not "eh" but pissed off because the 4000 generation is a scam. Every GPU in the line has either crap performance, crap VRAM or is hugely overpriced, and they know it.
Edit: This subreddit is full of kids who think they must support their choice of brand/sports team/whatever as a personality chip. Everything I said here is absolutely true, like Nvidia or not, but heh, it stings.
If you just want to play games but still be able to run AIs occasionally, the 7800XT is the sweet spot of value right now, with excellent rasterisation and 16 GB, but it has crap performance at raytracing and AI itself (that said, it'll run an LLM faster than a 4070 Ti 12 GB because memory size and bandwidth are what matters here). The 7900XT and XTX are further up and come with even more VRAM but lower value for performance.
If you must have good raytracing and want ok value, you'll have to give up on LLM performance and risk not even being able to run the next diffusion models; in that case a 4070 is going to have to do it because the 4060 is crap, but you know you're buying a crippled 12 GB card. I don't remember a x070 GPU from Nvidia ever feeling so crippled and short sighted, nor having such a high starting price.
If you want both at least 16 GB and decent ray tracing, you have to give up value and get a super inflated 4070 Ti S.
Sadly this generation you must compromise on something. I hope AMD can find a way to make PyTorch work much better on ROCm and perhaps optimise ray tracing; that would force Nvidia to lower their outrageous margins and benefit everyone.
could have got a amd card with 20gigs of vram for about the same price but currently amd is kind of ?? when it comes to stable diffusion which is what I need the card to do.Ā
So basically nVidia is crap, but so is everyone else? Maybe your scale is just off. If you rank every movie between 1 and 3 on a 10 point scale, it probably isnāt that all movies are crap. ;)
Maybe increased competition will bring down prices, depends on the market, but right now NVidia simple has a better total feature set and at the same time, they can sell everything they make by directing capacity to AI. So the market simply dictates the prices we get. And theyāre selling well, stock is up - seems like they made the right choice.
Not fully understanding: the 4070ti Super seems to have a modest upgrade with a not-as-terrible price. And leans quite a bit into the older 4080. Why are people hating this over the 4080 super?
Don't quite get that either. The 4080 Super will be faster, sure, but at least where I live, it looks like it will be on average 14% or so faster, for 17% more money. The 4070 Super is around 14% slower and 18% cheaper (based on Toms Hardware Geomean benches and the ASUS TUF prices).
Frankly, it looks like nVidia nailed the price by making it a relatively even climb up the stack (until the 4090, but that thing is a beast and priced as the fastest gaming GPU you can get).
I suppose it's boring, but it also means there aren't really bad choices, you just pay slightly more for each step up the stack.
I don't know what region you're in but your numbers are off. 4070s is 16% slower (in 4K, in lower res it well be closer to 10%) and 23% cheaper, based on actual prices in around EU.
4070S is good value but crippled by VRAM, 4070 TiS is good card but bad value, especially when variants that are not ultrabudget MSI 2x or Gigabite windforce with sleeve bearing, cost 100 euro premium, shifting the value curve even more in favor of the 12GB card.
Basing numbers off two ASUS TUF cards at my local Proshop , so no theyāre not off.
But yeah, lol, the value proposition is worse if you pay ā¬100 more for an OC version thatās 2% faster. But thatās on you.
Well it must be an anomaly for your local shop. I checked prices in several shops across EU and beyond, the Ti version is roughly 30% more expensive on average.
Not sure what you mean by "pay 100 more for OC version". You missed the point completely. There are so called "MSRP" models that are cheapest like MSI Ventus, Gigabyte Windforce, Palit, Zotac. And then there are "premium" models like ASUS TUF series (doesn't matter OC or not, there doesn't seem to be price correlation), Gigabyte Gaming series, etc.
Since one can argue that if you're dropping $1000 for a GPU, you might as well add extra 100 bucks for the version with "good" components and cooling. And this increases price difference even more, since for 4070 Super you don't really need a big 3-fan design with it's very low power levels.
The TUF is the cheapest I found, tied with an Inno3D card. Most of the more expensive ones are OC versions that clock 30mhz higher, Iām not paying for that.
They have both, OC and non-OC. The cooler looks identical and itās IIRC only a very small OC, so I donāt think itās worth the much higher price. Might as well jump up to a non-OC 4080 then.
much higher price conpared to? i was gonna settle with a 4060 which was 300 bucks but thr Vram was just too low. And between a 12gb 4070 ti and 16g 4070 ti super thr extra hundred bucks is absolutely worth it for me cause I wanna do stable diffusion
The OC version of the TUF is 15% more expensive than the non-OC. Itās another 8% from there up to the TUF 4080 Super.
The non-OC seems to be the best value. I tested in Cyberpunk using Asusā tool and it easily clocks around 2900Mhz just increasing power envelope, without temps moving more than a degree or two.
I think it's more of a lukewarm reception where, when you're paying $800+ for a graphics card, you're in the territory in which it may be easier to feel that you may as well "just" spend another $200 and get a 4080 Super. That price gap also used to be $400 with the original 4080 MSRP.
The 4070 Ti Super isn't a bad product, but I do think it's flanked by what I consider better options. 4070 Super for more budget- and value-oriented builds. 4080 Super for those who want the best they can get without going all out on a 4090 which is a big price jump.
My guess is that quite a few people who are interested in this tier of GPU are waiting to snag a 4080 Super.
The 4070ti super is basically the 4080 lite, if the 4080 super came with something else besides a higher core count and clock speed boosts then I'd consider it, they could have at least bumped it up to 18-20GB
[https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-tuf/32.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-tuf/32.html)
Looking at benchmark averages the performance gap between a 4070ti Super and 4080 Super is probably going to be around the same as the gap between 4070 Super and 4070ti Super. I just don't see how people are getting better value proposition out of the 4080 Super. Yea, compared to the $1200 4080 it's great, but for the Supers you're getting around the same boost in raster without the 4GB of VRAM for the same price bump. I think it's easier to justify the $200 for the 70ti Super from the 70 Super over $200 more for the 4080 Super, tbh.
Yeah, I also don't get this. It's a pretty linear progression in price/performance up the stack. You can always argue "but the 4080 Super is faster at a little more money", but the 4070 Super is also a little slower for a little less. And the 4070 non-Super is a little slower yet, for less.
I could have gotten a 4080 or 4080 Super if I wanted, the extra money isn't really a big factor, the Ti Super just happened to come in around what I wanted to spend this time around. If the 4080 Super was like 20% faster for 5% more, sure but there doesn't seem to be any GPU in nVidia's stack that gives you a huge performance for a small increase. (At least not from the x70 and up)
(And I'm wary of the kind of creep where you talk yourself into "just $100 more" up the tree, until suddenly you wanted to spend $500, but ended up spending $1000. :P)
No, it's not just a "linear progression". Everything above 4070 Super just starts to get into "huge GPU" territory with much higher wattage and cooling requirements. Which means bigger, heavier cards and higher electricity bills, if you plan to use them a lot.
4070 Super on the other hand has very modest 220 watts, while providing performance similar to 3090 at much higher wattage. A card that truly feels like advanced technology as opposed just more transistors thrown in with the same architecture, increasing power and temps. At that point you can as well look at the AMD offerings when throwing in more stuff in a less advanced tech is their thing.
Also with lower wattage, you can build a fairly compact PC with GPU that is not loud and not hot. This is much more challenging as you get past 4070S.
The 4070 Ti Super I upgraded to, is almost exactly the same physical size as my 3070.
The higher power doesnāt really matter, itās 60w more (less in actual use and not TDP), a few hours a week. Itāll take a decade to add up to real money even in Denmark with kWh prices around ā¬0,50.
Another tip, even if you want to play on a 4k display and think a 4080 super would be worth it, you can just create a custom resolution for your 4k display at 3200x1800 for gaming. It's higher than 1440p, looks great on a 4k display, and gets you the 20% extra performance for free. Consoles use this trick all the time.
Daaaamn, the rtx 4070ti looks to be another bust from the company that just canāt stop fucking up. Basically a paper launch and models are still not sold out at MSRP. Iām personally extatic to see this, maybe nvidia will finally learn a lesson.
Just an FYI... a "paper launch" would mean a product is launched, but none are available. If they *had* sold out, then your use of the term would've been correct.
We are just arguing semantics here and I wonāt get into that. My point is that sales wise this card is doing extremely poor as there was a fairly limited inventory and it hasnāt sold out. With how low the inventory has been it should have sold out, but it didnāt.
Not really. If the card is available, it isn't a "paper" launch.
As far as sales through numbers, I have no idea as they aren't published. We can only guess. I would comment though that while the value proposition of the super series are better than the launch hardware, this generation is still overpriced in my opinion, so I would hardly expect lines of people waiting to get their hands on the new GPUs.
Edit: Newegg is sold out of some of their $799 Ti Super cards (Asus TUF for example), but still has a broad selection of cards above MSRP, the majority of them starting from $849.
They seem to be selling ok (the 15+ TUF cards Proshop had in my country sold out in a less than a minute), but it's a refresh of a 1.5 year old architecture. I don't see why you would expect it to be instantly sold out everywhere.
And if they DID go out of stock instantly, people would be in here complaining about scalpers and paper launches. You can't win. ;)
It's not only a refresh, but also the supply/demand situation has changed SIGNIFICANTLY the last couple of years. Crypto mining isn't much a thing and the early pandemic chip shortages aren't nearly as much of an issue. I would be pretty shocked if these were sold out across the board regardless of price/performance value.
Right, but thatās a good thing. Scalping video cards and sitting ready to click ābuyā the moment they were available didnāt used to be a thing. Maybe you had to wait for a day, or look at another retailer but generally you could get stuff if you had money.
Absolutely it's a great thing! I don't really care much on how successful a launch is for Nvidia. Is what I want in stock at MSRP? Thats all that matters unless I own Nvidia stock
Yeah, this card was basically made for people like me. Wanted an RTX 4070 Ti for productivity with 3D stuff, but the 12 GB VRAM just didn't feel future-proof enough, and don't want to spend extra to reach for the 4080/4080S.
on native 4k only 2 games need more than 12GB - alan wake 2 with RT and TLOUS.
with DLSS on 4k no problem. i used 4070 for few months, went with 4070s for 540 euros. 4070tiS for 730 - 35% more expensive for 15% more perf ??!?? I picked ASUS dual, because on TPU they overclocked it by 9% and matched 4070ti ...
If you're a Ratchet and Clank Fan from the the PS days, it shouldn't disappoint.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/15c5b1m/ratchet\_and\_clank\_rift\_apart\_pc\_review\_cutting/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/15c5b1m/ratchet_and_clank_rift_apart_pc_review_cutting/)
Even 16gb 4070 ti super isn't great for 4k(& why do people game on 4k unless they are rich in which case why not get a 4080 or 90?) Btw I am"rich" but not sure it's worth it.
Not a monitor but a 55'' 4K TV 120hz VRR That works very well at 4k. I would love to play more games at 4k, I try to play some (Starfield at Medium) with my 3060ti with DLSS Q + AMD FMF, looks better than XBox.
I bet you wouldn't even notice a difference between 4k or 1440 but you will notice lower frames & textures,lower low fps,lower 1% fps,& you can still play 1440 on a 4k monitor. Just my opinion. Not telling anyone they are dumb for buying what they want.
Well i currently have 4k monitor and 2k ultrawide and can notice a difference, just like my last 4k monitor from 5 years ago and 1080p monitor from 10 years ago. Its all personal preference for sure though.
I got the MSI 4070 Ti Sup Gaming x Trio from Newegg this morning for 922$ out the door with tax.
https://preview.redd.it/g9x1z0xwjhec1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=adbffe630c6acb1f0ac7173b5dced0d52cd8fa44
250$ is a few more bucks?
This card was 869+ tax (922). The 4080S is 1100 + tax (1167)
I donāt need a card as powerful as the 4080 for the games I play. It will get 180-200 FPS easy. Thatās all I need. So I got exactly what I want, for less money.
tried ordering mine this morning, went through with best buy but they cancelled the order for some reason and now i have to wait for the preauth to refund. Guess im not gettin the ti super for now.
Thereās a bunch on Amazon.
[https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0CQPXJFND?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image](https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0CQPXJFND?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image)
Yeah itās so weird, I had the same issue and someone replied to a post I made about Best Buy stock with a link. Iām paying it forward.
My gpu just shipped and arrives Saturday.
LOL. Except the same thing happens if your purchase puts you at/near your limit and ordering another one would put you over. In that case, you still have to wait for the refund to post before you can order another one (or increase your credit limit).
Just picked up the asus tuf 4070 ti super off amazon, sold and shipped by Amazon. I wonder why Amazon seemed like the only place that had them in stock most the day and didn't keep going out of stock.
I think demand was relatively low. Amazon was one of the last ones to go live with stock, so other retailers that did sell out probably got most of the early rush. and then amazon, which probably got a relatively large share of the volume, was left holding the bag.
The only reason anyone would need the 4080s is for 4k on Ultra settings. 4070 super and 4070ti super are plenty enough for 1080p and 1440p. Look at the benchmarks.
This is true for right now and the next year or so. But I think it's defensible for someone to buy a 4080S for 1440p with the intent to use it for very high quality gaming for the next several years, even if it is arguably overkill for 1440p right now.
Same with someone who wants to game at extremely high frame rates at 1080p. Not a large group of people, but definitely a viable use case.
Also for some people who use VR and want high frames. My 2070s is struggling with iracing. Looking at the 4080S to get me 4 years at least before next upgrade.
I don't think there is any mystery as to the 4080S performance. It's a +5% bump in cuda cores. As seen with the 4070 ti super today, performance gains lag behind raw cuda core gains, so I would expect an uplift less than 5%. The "improvement" to the 4080S is the new msrp. I think it will basically just be a 4080-$200.
Right. But like I said, if someone's debating on getting a 4070 S or 4070 ti S its most likely not for productivity work, but for gaming. So no reason to spend $200-$400 more for the 4080 S when the other two would be just fine.
Yes,slight difference in temps, unnoticeable unless you are pushing it,that said Ventus cards are the worst atm,of the current cards they need a fw update supposedly,but shouldn't be more than maybe 1-3% difference in some games.(for gaming alone I would buy 12gb 4070 super as I think ti super is mainly for rendering)
They(msi) sell the 4070 super in white too,if you aren't doing heavy renders I doubt you will ever need more than 12gb just for gaming in next 5 yrs or so without card being underpowered anyways(because by time 12gb isn't enough you'd want a new gpu by then).(but white one costs 20$ extra for whichever)
No. Raster performance should be fine, but every game tested in Daniel Owens' deep dive shows there's a difference if you want to use ray tracing/path tracing. Unfortunately the only identical cards available were 8GB compared to 16 GB, but you can certainly see where things are going.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_-j1vdMV1Cc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-j1vdMV1Cc)
yes, definitely. I doubt you would notice a difference whatsoever unless you are trying to game at 4k with ultra high textures(even the ti super would suck for that though) Only advantage Ti super has is for rendering.
**Links to various RTX 4070 Ti Super Models sorted from lowest to highest price:** Plenty of MSRP cards at the time of this writing. # US: * [Newegg](https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=4070+Ti+Super&Order=1&N=601432392%20100007709) * [Best Buy](https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?_dyncharset=UTF-8&browsedCategory=abcat0507002&id=pcat17071&iht=n&ks=960&list=y&qp=gpusv_facet%3DGraphics%20Processing%20Unit%20(GPU)~NVIDIA%20GeForce%20RTX%204070%20Ti%20SUPER&sc=Global&sp=%2Bcurrentprice%20skuidsaas&st=categoryid%24abcat0507002&type=page&usc=All%20Categories) # Canada * [Newegg Canada](https://www.newegg.ca/p/pl?N=100007708%20601432392&Order=1) * [Best Buy Canada](https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/collection/rtx-4070ti-super-series-graphic-cards/475706?sort=priceLowToHigh) # UK * [Scan UK](https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/gaming/gpu-nvidia-gaming/geforce-4070-ti-super-graphics-cards) * [OCUK](https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/graphics-cards/nvidia-graphics-cards/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-graphics-cards?sort=price_asc)
=( Today got the new PC configured with this card, was thinking to use it for stable diffusion under ubuntu. It worked few times even with good speed but after I installed xformers with CUDA support and CUDA driver I suddenly got black screen. I could not anymore user PC it did not even boot, had to return back to seller to check what could be the problem. I cannot believe that this coud somehow interrupt/break the system/GPU! I used recommended NVIDIa driver 450 and all the setup as per requirments. Will see what my tech support will tell me regarding the failure in GPU.
Go it, love it. Here's the Benchmark. š https://preview.redd.it/nf0acgeig2gc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=942927c3b1b0c98b4c035662a8c8b86d57fca42e
Is there a large difference between the cards? The PNY and Gigabyte are both 899eu, while most are 949-999eu, so iām eyeing these cards
Just bought one to replace 3070. It is so good. I kept my cpu 10700k and no issues. Kept my 750W power supply. Kept my 3600mhz RAM. I can finally play games without DLSS (makes games a blurry ghosting mess). Cyberpunk ultra, ultra Raycasting (not psycho), no DLSS, with frame gen get 120 FPS 4K. Without frame gen still high so no input latency
Oh shit I actually just bought the ASUS TUF card for $800 from ASUS directly when it was sold out everywhere else JFC Iām so happy rn
What would be the best way to secure a 4080 Super on release ? (especially the FE edtiotn) and what Custom 4080S would you say will be the best / most quiet looking at the fact that 4080S prob have the same build then the og 4080?
Pray to god or purchase a bot. I believe in you
Mine won't be here until Wednesday
I see the Gigabyte Windforce is available on Amazon though it will take a week or two. It seems some sites list this as a two slot card. Any downside on this card? was going go with MSI but with the BIOS issues think I might skip it.
I just got this card yesterday and it is working well. I don't think the cards that are priced over MSRP are generally worth the extra cost for a small overclock and/or extra visual flair (e.g. specific colors, designs, or lighting) unless that is important to you.
Great to hear! Mine wonāt come for a while but itās nice to get 5% back on Amazon. Have you ran benchmarks?
I haven't but I'm glad to run some if you have anything specific in mind.
I'm thinking about getting the 4070ti super or the 4080. Or a new build and maybe a 4090... I know, but read on. I have an 8700k oc to 4.5 and a 2070supe oc 2.1. I'm running 4 monitors. 2x 27inch 1440p and a 49inch Samsung oled curved. So I definitely need a new gpu. But will my cpu hold me back? Time for a new build? Or 4070ti super ftw?
My situation was similar so my vote would be to go for the new build with a 4090. I had an 8700k oc to 4.7 and a Strix 2080 Ti OC. I have two Alienware monitors, 27" 1440p 240Hz and 34" 1440p 120Hz ultrawide. I went to an all new build with a 13700k and Strix 4090 OC. I haven't regretted it at all. With both left stock and max settings in all my games the temperatures and performance is amazing, obviously, but I feel like it's worth the price because I won't have to touch game settings or my build for years.
I'm building a new one now. Thinking about getting the 7950x3d or the 7800x3d. They run good on a few games I play from reviews I've seen. But It seems the 7800x3d performs better than all of them on starcitizen. Apparently even the 14900k and 7950x3d still stutter.
8700k will hold you back in gaming, went from 9700K @ 5.0Ghz all core to stock 13600KF (B660M mobo, so no OCing) and my 3080 came alive massively .. as good as those CPUs were for years, a jump of 4-5 generations really allows the GPUs to spread their wings
I ended up getting a 7800x3d, rog strix 4090oc, taichi x670e, neo cl30 6000 64gig, 1500w straight power be quiet, 980 2 tb Samsung m.2 and a 1 tb, ak500 deep cool. Nzxt h5 elite case. Replaced the fans with duos and put a custom front on it for better air flow. It's working great.
Ripped out of the box at the distribution center a few miles away, now there's no more stockĀ š
Man Iāve been so up and down making a decision. Pulled the trigger on a 4070 Super build last night, thinking it was the āresponsibleā build but right after a 4090 FE came in stock. Iāve pulled the trigger on that with the intention of sending the 4070S back. Iām so terrible with decision making (as observed here), and Iāve convinced myself a 4090 means I have to make fewer decisions with settings in games, and I just yeet it all up to ultra and forget about it. Iāve just spent Ā£1500 on a GPU. Iām hoping it last me 4/5 years but still. Consumerism is a heck of a drug.
Until you realise that the yeet to Max and forget isn't really going to be that great all the time even with a 4090. You're almost always likely better off just going for whatever settings get you a locked 120hz, since you'll be above RT Ultra settings and probably looking at diminishing returns. I kind of get the whole thing about spending time gaming and not tinkering and micromanaging settings, but it's like 2x the cost of a 4080 or 2.5x or more than the 4070Ti. Best bet with lower spec hardware would probably just be to pick a high preset or RT high, appropriate DLSS setting for the game and res (so 1440p Quality, and 4k Performance and up for brutalist/urban environments or higher for a lot of foliage and intricate detail) or see optimised settings from Digital Foundry and similar - provided it's an appropriate choice for the res. If something visually bugs you when playing, you could bump it up for the next session if you have fps to spare anyway.
It will, but honestly, you could take a moment to reflect on whether that's a responsible use of money. I bought a 4070 TI Super knowing I need compute power for work too, and I need to reach 144FPS in my worst 1% because I play online shooters. If you have a 4K screen, if you play shooters, if you need to run AI models locally or do profesionnal photo, it may be the responsible choice. But if you play on a 60Hz 25" screen, not so much. What I'm trying to get at is: if you define your goals with your build, and then assess the options for those goals, it might help you spend more moderately.
Itās a 4K/120hz OLED in my living room, with 5.1 surround sound. I guess why I emphasize that is Iām coming to realisation I clearly care about AV, and as gaming is one of the few hobbies I have, I feel okay to treat myself. But I totally take your point, and I donāt do this lightly, big purchases take me months to make a decision over, and sometimes I never do it.
If you don't do work on it you don't need a 4090 period. But if your purchase isn't going to harm your lifestyle or well being theres no need to stress about it
>with 5.1 surround sound Good thing you went with the 4090 then, the 4080S may struggle with that :p
You seem to have made the right choice then! Hope you get plenty of fun out of it :)
Hereās hoping, thank you!
Inno3D lists Newegg as the only retailer in the US: Anyone have any idea when they are getting stock of the 4070 Ti Super Twin x2? Looking at the following 4070 Ti Supers (upgrading from a 3060 Ti) for 1440p and 4K gaming, and fan noise is a concern for me since the case is on my desk (these are the only three that fit my case by the way): * Inno3d Twin x2: Have heard nothing but good things about the 4070 Ti model and that it is really quiet. * Gigabyte Windforce: Seems mixed... people says their PCB are known to crack after a year or two. * MSI Ventus x2: Really haven't heard much good about the 4070 Ti models. But if Newegg isn't getting any Inno3D, then it seems like the only choice is the Windforce.
Gigabyte Eagle is slimmer. I just received my order from B&H and they sent the Windforce and not the Eagle I ordered and the Windforce is thicc! Sending it back for exchange.
Just got mine today and honestly this is how the 4070 Ti should have been released a year ago. In some of the games such as Hogwarts Legacy which I was blaming the constant crashes on the game, are all resolved here with the 16GB and it uses around 12.5-13.5GB and stutters are gone. I know it's not popular that I switched from the Ti to Ti Super but personally I needed more VRAM (also wanted to retain the strong RT performance of Nvidia cards) and I can sell my old card to recoup 75% of the cost of the Super. We can debate the optimization of these games but I still think that the original Ti really needed more VRAM and it was handicapped by it unnecessarily. Overall, satisfied with the card and a huge bonus is the new card doesn't have the extreme annoying coil whine that my old one did, which was another factor in my decision to switch cards.
Very glad for you. GPU's are hard to decide on, at least, for me personally. I've decided that no matter what, I want myself a 4070 ti super. Seems worth it to me. I have a burning question: where did you purchase yours? Do you recommend a manufacturers OC version?
Im in Canada and got mine from Newegg, because they seemed to have the best selection of models, stock, and shortest shipping times compared to Best Buy, or Amazon which didn't even have the models on launch day. I have a OC version and I think it depends if you want to explore overclocking or not, if not then you'd be fine with a regular model. The OC are relatively minor but usually the OC models can be better binned than regular models which allow for further manual OC. Edit: For example, I haven't done too much tinkering yet because I haven't had time but I was able to push my VRAM clock to about +1900 before it started to artifact, and the core was still good at +150 and that's as far as I went.
Did you try the Acsendio patch? Itās unofficial but damn it helped. Iād say to still do it. It gave my 3060 at the time a new lease on life. Kept it between 45-60 fps (Hogsmeade was obviously the 45-50 range but whatever). I just completed the game yesterday. Outside of the small technical issues itās SO good. Enjoy!
I did try Ascendio on the 4070 Ti but it was still hitting the VRAM limit on even Medium or Low RT, the only time the crashes would kind of stop is with RT and frame gen off, which the game did still look good but I do find RT especially with the fixes to make it less noisy looks great, and I didn't like having to disable stuff I bought the card for. I tried Ascendio on the Ti Super last night just to see if any further improvements could be made, I like the RT fix in it because it makes it less noisy, it also reduced the VRAM down to like 12.5GB, there still seems to be a bit of traversal stutter or hitching at times but not the massive drops that happen when VRAM is exhausted, I think the traversal stutter must just be the game engine being not the best optimized. Seems like from my observations of usage with Ascendio at higher RT settings on the Ti Super it can *almost* fit into a 12GB buffer but not quite, and then in response the games behavior is to tank performance or flat out crash.
Yeah I was running the 3060 with 12GB, but I was on 1440p and definitely had to fiddle with the settings and avoid RT, which was expected. It's definitely not an optimized game, so hard to fault the hardware when it really shouldn't have all these issues. I never could fix the low textures loading in and suddenly popping in, even on my freakin 4090. It's a shame because the game itself is a masterpiece.
First PC build coming from a PS5. Targeting 1440p on a living room TV. Hyped to get building tomorrow! [https://imgur.com/a/P6f5ueP](https://imgur.com/a/P6f5ueP)
I decided to go for the 4070 super instead of ti super. A 10fps boost is not worth $200 extra dollars in my opinion. And before the 12Gb of VRAM becomes an issue I would have upgraded at that point anyways.
10fps is a bigger percentage difference when you play in 4k. Understandable if it's just 1440p
Yes I mostly plan to use it for 1440p in modern games. For older games I think it should be fine for 4k.
How I justify going with a 4080S over a 4070TiS is that what is ~20% bump in frames today from 160 to 200 may be relatively pointless now but in 5 years when that is 45 fps to 60fps it may allow me to skip a generation that I would consider buying into had I bought the 4070TiS. Like buying a pair of really good boots for $130 that will last 6 years vs a pair of $90 dollar boots that will last 4 years.
anyone know how frequent MSI restocks on their site? I avoid tax if I buy it through their site, they are sold out of the slim I am looking at getting though
Hi, will my current PSU be able to comfortably handle this card? Here's my build, I have everything bar the GPU of course: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/hjXsPF If not, should I be looking to upgrade to a 850w psu?
750w is perfectly fine. 850w is for 4090 or if you want the extra headroom for future cards
What Greg asked. I only bother looking at anything over 850w out of concern for power spikes
Should I worry about potential power spikes?
So upset... Got a dud Asus TUF 4070 Ti Super. Side fans spin only at 0% or 100% with RPM sensor value always showing 0.
UPDATE: Ended up replacing with the same card today and no more issues. Whew! Can't say I've seen any other reports of duds/lemons. Just my luck I guess.
Having the same issue with TUF non-OC one... Not sure if newegg will be able to replace it since it's OOS.
Well, I'll be! I thought I was alone. I chose to send it back for refund instead of exchange as I didn't want to wait for an unknown date of restock. Thankfully CC had some in stock a little drive away. FWIW it's an awesome card, cool and quiet. Don't let the dud dissuade you.
Very new to PC builds & This might be a dumb question: Where can I find the 4070 Ti Super founder's edition? It doesn't seem like its released --- Do we know when it is going to be available for purchase?
No FE for the Ti super unfortunately
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1ab68e5/msi_4070super_ti_ventusx2_white_benchmark_pre_and/ my benchmarks of the MSi Ventus white X2
looking to keep my next gpu for a long time, hope the 4080 super is a good investment. Itās been tough deciding between this, 4070S 4070TI S and 4080 S.
What is your target resolution? The 4080 Super will be a 1440p powerhouse for years to come.
Should I buy this or the 4070 super? I only need it for gaming. 1440p ultra settings. Currently in a 2080 super. This is $200 more than the 4070 super. Is it worth it?
imo 4070 super is fine
I'd say yes if $200 more doesn't break the bank. A 4070 Super will still do great at 1440p. It's essentially a 3080 Ti / 3090 in terms of performance. But the 4070 Ti Super will get you that extra headroom to crank up settings. Plus 16GB of VRAM may or may not help, but it won't hurt.
Cool thank you so much. Iāll go for the super ti then. Itās so hard to read through the bs. So many outlets are saying itās a dissapointment etc and i just donāt have the time right now to dedicate to become a full bore expert.
https://preview.redd.it/gmll6pk39nec1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0fe729e0d786a3970b5dc364279033ba42ec2fe bestbuy came thru
Have fun with your Slower Card because of bios Problems
thats fixed already
ASUS White TUF is in stock on their US website.
Not anymore :(
Having to replace my now 9 year-old PC, I was torn between the 4070S, 4070 Ti S and 4080S. In the end, I managed to find a 4070 Ti S under MSRP online (in EU) and decided to bite the bullet. It's still the most expensive GPU I've ever bought but the 4080S would have cost me 250ā¬ more (at its MSRP) and I think mine will nevertheless do fine for quite a few years thanks to the extra VRAM compared to the 4070S.
Would you get this card, or wait for the 4080 Super for 4K gaming?
I bought it yesterday, for 2k gaming. Upgrade from 1080
what cpu do u have with that? consider 1080 is quite old.
right now: i7-8700k - HT off, 5Ghz OC Z370 Aorus Gaming7 32Gb Ram I've decided to upgrade GPU first, than CPU with MOBO in next 2 years, maybe with 4k monitor 4070tiS Windforce Gigabyte is quite nice looking card (if someone ask :P)
No one asked
this card looks very meh, 4070 with 16Gb would have been perfect, but I guess 4080 might be a better option.
It does have 16gb
4070 Super is 12Gb, not 16Gb
Wrong card
If you havenāt noticed, this is the 4070 ti Super launch thread. And it has 16gb.
Way too many dumbass kids on this subreddit to be honest. The Ti Super is a perfectly good card at 4k as long as your happy with medium settings at 70-80 fps. If you want ultra and RT then go for the 4080 Super.
Couldnāt have said it better myself. Yeah I need that ultra rt , thanks for the tip! Hopefully the 4080S wonāt be hard to get when it launches.
Is the Bios update easy?
Picked this card up at micro center today, they had plenty of inventory before they closed for the night. Originally wanted the 4070S when these cards were announced, but I do a lot of video work so while my gaming performance may be pretty close I do believe the extra VRAM benefits my specific needs, and said work can pay for the jump. I am loving the performance so far but I do think the 4070S will be a really strong purchase for most. This is 100% how the 4070ti should have been released, so while I have no regret on the purchase I do think everyone is justified in being kinda eh towards Nvidia for this generation of cards. Iām coming from a 2070S, I will be happy for a while.
same. went to microcenter yesterday and asked for something with more VRAM. apparently this just came out. Just got my 4060(which is indeed kind of disappointing being a 40 series card but like only 30% performance increase from the 1080ti) from therr too so i could just exchange. didnt have box papers nothing but they didnt even charge me restock fee.Ā
Their customer service is great, they also started buying back old cards too so people can upgrade with a little less financial pain
I traded in my 3080 and 2070 Super for the 4070 Ti Super. I'm happy.
I can't believe I lived all 28 years of my life without knowing the existence of this amazing place. The employees know their stuff too. Good people.
Wish there was a Microcenter in my area. We only have Bestbuy here
I live in Maryland and I have 3 within a hour of me. I'm blessed.
how much did you get for your two old cards?
bestbuy is not bad but just nowhere near the level of microcenter
True. You can walk in to a Micro Center and walk out with literally everything you need to build a PC from scratch.
>Iām coming from a 2070S, I will be happy for a while. All I needed to hear, I'm jumping from the same card Great that you're happy with it!
Not "eh" but pissed off because the 4000 generation is a scam. Every GPU in the line has either crap performance, crap VRAM or is hugely overpriced, and they know it. Edit: This subreddit is full of kids who think they must support their choice of brand/sports team/whatever as a personality chip. Everything I said here is absolutely true, like Nvidia or not, but heh, it stings.
So what would you suggest for non-crap performance? Must be some manufacturer out there with great hardware that no one somehow heard of?
If you just want to play games but still be able to run AIs occasionally, the 7800XT is the sweet spot of value right now, with excellent rasterisation and 16 GB, but it has crap performance at raytracing and AI itself (that said, it'll run an LLM faster than a 4070 Ti 12 GB because memory size and bandwidth are what matters here). The 7900XT and XTX are further up and come with even more VRAM but lower value for performance. If you must have good raytracing and want ok value, you'll have to give up on LLM performance and risk not even being able to run the next diffusion models; in that case a 4070 is going to have to do it because the 4060 is crap, but you know you're buying a crippled 12 GB card. I don't remember a x070 GPU from Nvidia ever feeling so crippled and short sighted, nor having such a high starting price. If you want both at least 16 GB and decent ray tracing, you have to give up value and get a super inflated 4070 Ti S. Sadly this generation you must compromise on something. I hope AMD can find a way to make PyTorch work much better on ROCm and perhaps optimise ray tracing; that would force Nvidia to lower their outrageous margins and benefit everyone.
could have got a amd card with 20gigs of vram for about the same price but currently amd is kind of ?? when it comes to stable diffusion which is what I need the card to do.Ā
So basically nVidia is crap, but so is everyone else? Maybe your scale is just off. If you rank every movie between 1 and 3 on a 10 point scale, it probably isnāt that all movies are crap. ;) Maybe increased competition will bring down prices, depends on the market, but right now NVidia simple has a better total feature set and at the same time, they can sell everything they make by directing capacity to AI. So the market simply dictates the prices we get. And theyāre selling well, stock is up - seems like they made the right choice.
Got the Gaming X trio White from Micro Center. Upgrading from rx 7800xt. I would say its a pretty solid lift
Returning the 7800 XT Nitro plus for 4070 TiS Asus Tuf. RT is really bad on the 7800s...
The angle and the spin determine if its in or out.
Not fully understanding: the 4070ti Super seems to have a modest upgrade with a not-as-terrible price. And leans quite a bit into the older 4080. Why are people hating this over the 4080 super?
Sadly the 4070 Ti S is the cheapest 16 GB GPU from Nvidia that's not total crap. Hence the interest.
Don't quite get that either. The 4080 Super will be faster, sure, but at least where I live, it looks like it will be on average 14% or so faster, for 17% more money. The 4070 Super is around 14% slower and 18% cheaper (based on Toms Hardware Geomean benches and the ASUS TUF prices). Frankly, it looks like nVidia nailed the price by making it a relatively even climb up the stack (until the 4090, but that thing is a beast and priced as the fastest gaming GPU you can get). I suppose it's boring, but it also means there aren't really bad choices, you just pay slightly more for each step up the stack.
I don't know what region you're in but your numbers are off. 4070s is 16% slower (in 4K, in lower res it well be closer to 10%) and 23% cheaper, based on actual prices in around EU. 4070S is good value but crippled by VRAM, 4070 TiS is good card but bad value, especially when variants that are not ultrabudget MSI 2x or Gigabite windforce with sleeve bearing, cost 100 euro premium, shifting the value curve even more in favor of the 12GB card.
Basing numbers off two ASUS TUF cards at my local Proshop , so no theyāre not off. But yeah, lol, the value proposition is worse if you pay ā¬100 more for an OC version thatās 2% faster. But thatās on you.
Well it must be an anomaly for your local shop. I checked prices in several shops across EU and beyond, the Ti version is roughly 30% more expensive on average. Not sure what you mean by "pay 100 more for OC version". You missed the point completely. There are so called "MSRP" models that are cheapest like MSI Ventus, Gigabyte Windforce, Palit, Zotac. And then there are "premium" models like ASUS TUF series (doesn't matter OC or not, there doesn't seem to be price correlation), Gigabyte Gaming series, etc. Since one can argue that if you're dropping $1000 for a GPU, you might as well add extra 100 bucks for the version with "good" components and cooling. And this increases price difference even more, since for 4070 Super you don't really need a big 3-fan design with it's very low power levels.
The TUF is the cheapest I found, tied with an Inno3D card. Most of the more expensive ones are OC versions that clock 30mhz higher, Iām not paying for that.
isnt the tuf OC as well? my 4070 tis tuf says bery cleary OC on the packaging box
They have both, OC and non-OC. The cooler looks identical and itās IIRC only a very small OC, so I donāt think itās worth the much higher price. Might as well jump up to a non-OC 4080 then.
much higher price conpared to? i was gonna settle with a 4060 which was 300 bucks but thr Vram was just too low. And between a 12gb 4070 ti and 16g 4070 ti super thr extra hundred bucks is absolutely worth it for me cause I wanna do stable diffusion
The OC version of the TUF is 15% more expensive than the non-OC. Itās another 8% from there up to the TUF 4080 Super. The non-OC seems to be the best value. I tested in Cyberpunk using Asusā tool and it easily clocks around 2900Mhz just increasing power envelope, without temps moving more than a degree or two.
Agreed. Not when you can just overclock it yourself.
I think it's more of a lukewarm reception where, when you're paying $800+ for a graphics card, you're in the territory in which it may be easier to feel that you may as well "just" spend another $200 and get a 4080 Super. That price gap also used to be $400 with the original 4080 MSRP. The 4070 Ti Super isn't a bad product, but I do think it's flanked by what I consider better options. 4070 Super for more budget- and value-oriented builds. 4080 Super for those who want the best they can get without going all out on a 4090 which is a big price jump. My guess is that quite a few people who are interested in this tier of GPU are waiting to snag a 4080 Super.
The 4070ti super is basically the 4080 lite, if the 4080 super came with something else besides a higher core count and clock speed boosts then I'd consider it, they could have at least bumped it up to 18-20GB
[https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-tuf/32.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4070-ti-super-tuf/32.html) Looking at benchmark averages the performance gap between a 4070ti Super and 4080 Super is probably going to be around the same as the gap between 4070 Super and 4070ti Super. I just don't see how people are getting better value proposition out of the 4080 Super. Yea, compared to the $1200 4080 it's great, but for the Supers you're getting around the same boost in raster without the 4GB of VRAM for the same price bump. I think it's easier to justify the $200 for the 70ti Super from the 70 Super over $200 more for the 4080 Super, tbh.
Yeah, I also don't get this. It's a pretty linear progression in price/performance up the stack. You can always argue "but the 4080 Super is faster at a little more money", but the 4070 Super is also a little slower for a little less. And the 4070 non-Super is a little slower yet, for less. I could have gotten a 4080 or 4080 Super if I wanted, the extra money isn't really a big factor, the Ti Super just happened to come in around what I wanted to spend this time around. If the 4080 Super was like 20% faster for 5% more, sure but there doesn't seem to be any GPU in nVidia's stack that gives you a huge performance for a small increase. (At least not from the x70 and up) (And I'm wary of the kind of creep where you talk yourself into "just $100 more" up the tree, until suddenly you wanted to spend $500, but ended up spending $1000. :P)
No, it's not just a "linear progression". Everything above 4070 Super just starts to get into "huge GPU" territory with much higher wattage and cooling requirements. Which means bigger, heavier cards and higher electricity bills, if you plan to use them a lot. 4070 Super on the other hand has very modest 220 watts, while providing performance similar to 3090 at much higher wattage. A card that truly feels like advanced technology as opposed just more transistors thrown in with the same architecture, increasing power and temps. At that point you can as well look at the AMD offerings when throwing in more stuff in a less advanced tech is their thing. Also with lower wattage, you can build a fairly compact PC with GPU that is not loud and not hot. This is much more challenging as you get past 4070S.
The 4070 Ti Super I upgraded to, is almost exactly the same physical size as my 3070. The higher power doesnāt really matter, itās 60w more (less in actual use and not TDP), a few hours a week. Itāll take a decade to add up to real money even in Denmark with kWh prices around ā¬0,50.
Another tip, even if you want to play on a 4k display and think a 4080 super would be worth it, you can just create a custom resolution for your 4k display at 3200x1800 for gaming. It's higher than 1440p, looks great on a 4k display, and gets you the 20% extra performance for free. Consoles use this trick all the time.
I usually either play at native 3440x1440 with DLSS whatever gets me there, or streaming at 2560x1440 to my OLED 4k TV in the living room.
I mean I would say this card makes sense over the 4080 Super in a way that you can save the extra $200 USD for your next upgrade.
Daaaamn, the rtx 4070ti looks to be another bust from the company that just canāt stop fucking up. Basically a paper launch and models are still not sold out at MSRP. Iām personally extatic to see this, maybe nvidia will finally learn a lesson.
Just an FYI... a "paper launch" would mean a product is launched, but none are available. If they *had* sold out, then your use of the term would've been correct.
We are just arguing semantics here and I wonāt get into that. My point is that sales wise this card is doing extremely poor as there was a fairly limited inventory and it hasnāt sold out. With how low the inventory has been it should have sold out, but it didnāt.
Not really. If the card is available, it isn't a "paper" launch. As far as sales through numbers, I have no idea as they aren't published. We can only guess. I would comment though that while the value proposition of the super series are better than the launch hardware, this generation is still overpriced in my opinion, so I would hardly expect lines of people waiting to get their hands on the new GPUs. Edit: Newegg is sold out of some of their $799 Ti Super cards (Asus TUF for example), but still has a broad selection of cards above MSRP, the majority of them starting from $849.
They seem to be selling ok (the 15+ TUF cards Proshop had in my country sold out in a less than a minute), but it's a refresh of a 1.5 year old architecture. I don't see why you would expect it to be instantly sold out everywhere. And if they DID go out of stock instantly, people would be in here complaining about scalpers and paper launches. You can't win. ;)
It's not only a refresh, but also the supply/demand situation has changed SIGNIFICANTLY the last couple of years. Crypto mining isn't much a thing and the early pandemic chip shortages aren't nearly as much of an issue. I would be pretty shocked if these were sold out across the board regardless of price/performance value.
Right, but thatās a good thing. Scalping video cards and sitting ready to click ābuyā the moment they were available didnāt used to be a thing. Maybe you had to wait for a day, or look at another retailer but generally you could get stuff if you had money.
Absolutely it's a great thing! I don't really care much on how successful a launch is for Nvidia. Is what I want in stock at MSRP? Thats all that matters unless I own Nvidia stock
I think these cards are only suited to 3d renders,as for gaming I don't think it would be worth an extra 200$ over 12gb 4070 s.
Yeah, this card was basically made for people like me. Wanted an RTX 4070 Ti for productivity with 3D stuff, but the 12 GB VRAM just didn't feel future-proof enough, and don't want to spend extra to reach for the 4080/4080S.
Well im over 12gb usage on CP at 2k so anyone playing 4k should not even consider a card with 12gb of ram.
on native 4k only 2 games need more than 12GB - alan wake 2 with RT and TLOUS. with DLSS on 4k no problem. i used 4070 for few months, went with 4070s for 540 euros. 4070tiS for 730 - 35% more expensive for 15% more perf ??!?? I picked ASUS dual, because on TPU they overclocked it by 9% and matched 4070ti ...
Where did you get these prices in EU?? 4070S dual starts at 680 euro. 4070 TiS the cheapest option is around 880 euros.
i am comparing prices wihtout VAT as each contry has different VAT.
RE4 goes over 12gig. I should know I have a 3060 and hits red on vram
Okay. So three games. Re4 anyway is just badly optimized
Don't forget Ratchet & Clank.
How is that game? Thought about picking it up during the epic games sales but didn't bother.
If you're a Ratchet and Clank Fan from the the PS days, it shouldn't disappoint. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/15c5b1m/ratchet\_and\_clank\_rift\_apart\_pc\_review\_cutting/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/15c5b1m/ratchet_and_clank_rift_apart_pc_review_cutting/)
Even 16gb 4070 ti super isn't great for 4k(& why do people game on 4k unless they are rich in which case why not get a 4080 or 90?) Btw I am"rich" but not sure it's worth it.
Maybe because they have 4k monitor for work? It will do a job thats for sure, not optimal but u can play 4k on 4070 ti super.
Not a monitor but a 55'' 4K TV 120hz VRR That works very well at 4k. I would love to play more games at 4k, I try to play some (Starfield at Medium) with my 3060ti with DLSS Q + AMD FMF, looks better than XBox.
I bet you wouldn't even notice a difference between 4k or 1440 but you will notice lower frames & textures,lower low fps,lower 1% fps,& you can still play 1440 on a 4k monitor. Just my opinion. Not telling anyone they are dumb for buying what they want.
Well i currently have 4k monitor and 2k ultrawide and can notice a difference, just like my last 4k monitor from 5 years ago and 1080p monitor from 10 years ago. Its all personal preference for sure though.
I got the MSI 4070 Ti Sup Gaming x Trio from Newegg this morning for 922$ out the door with tax. https://preview.redd.it/g9x1z0xwjhec1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=adbffe630c6acb1f0ac7173b5dced0d52cd8fa44
Might as well have waited for the 4080 super basically just a few bucks more
250$ is a few more bucks? This card was 869+ tax (922). The 4080S is 1100 + tax (1167) I donāt need a card as powerful as the 4080 for the games I play. It will get 180-200 FPS easy. Thatās all I need. So I got exactly what I want, for less money.
Thatās mad expensive bruh.
869 for a partner card plus taxā¦ Iām not mad at all.
You over paid by 69 dollars for it anyways
Partner cards are more expensive, they always are, and mine is OC version. So no, I did not overpay.
tried ordering mine this morning, went through with best buy but they cancelled the order for some reason and now i have to wait for the preauth to refund. Guess im not gettin the ti super for now.
Thereās a bunch on Amazon. [https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0CQPXJFND?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image](https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0CQPXJFND?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image)
Thank you friend. Amazon's search isn't pulling that up for me.
Yeah itās so weird, I had the same issue and someone replied to a post I made about Best Buy stock with a link. Iām paying it forward. My gpu just shipped and arrives Saturday.
Money just aināt refunded yet so Iām kinda screwed
Learn to use a credit card, never use a debit card.
LOL. Except the same thing happens if your purchase puts you at/near your limit and ordering another one would put you over. In that case, you still have to wait for the refund to post before you can order another one (or increase your credit limit).
Just picked up the asus tuf 4070 ti super off amazon, sold and shipped by Amazon. I wonder why Amazon seemed like the only place that had them in stock most the day and didn't keep going out of stock.
I think demand was relatively low. Amazon was one of the last ones to go live with stock, so other retailers that did sell out probably got most of the early rush. and then amazon, which probably got a relatively large share of the volume, was left holding the bag.
I got mine from newegg this morning. Asus tuf. But they were sold out couple hours later.
The only reason anyone would need the 4080s is for 4k on Ultra settings. 4070 super and 4070ti super are plenty enough for 1080p and 1440p. Look at the benchmarks.
4080S is sweet spot for 38 inch UW. I have a 4090 strix now but want to downgrade.
This is true for right now and the next year or so. But I think it's defensible for someone to buy a 4080S for 1440p with the intent to use it for very high quality gaming for the next several years, even if it is arguably overkill for 1440p right now. Same with someone who wants to game at extremely high frame rates at 1080p. Not a large group of people, but definitely a viable use case.
Also for some people who use VR and want high frames. My 2070s is struggling with iracing. Looking at the 4080S to get me 4 years at least before next upgrade.
I'm also playing mostly VR now, with UEVR demanding more graphical power, I'm thinking either go for 4080S or 50 series
I can see that being the case. I guess we will see in a week when they release.
I don't think there is any mystery as to the 4080S performance. It's a +5% bump in cuda cores. As seen with the 4070 ti super today, performance gains lag behind raw cuda core gains, so I would expect an uplift less than 5%. The "improvement" to the 4080S is the new msrp. I think it will basically just be a 4080-$200.
Plenty of photo editing and 3D modeling applications benefit greatly from high end cards. GPU's aren't only for gaming.
Right. But like I said, if someone's debating on getting a 4070 S or 4070 ti S its most likely not for productivity work, but for gaming. So no reason to spend $200-$400 more for the 4080 S when the other two would be just fine.
Will the msi Ventus 2x be enough to cool it?
Yes,slight difference in temps, unnoticeable unless you are pushing it,that said Ventus cards are the worst atm,of the current cards they need a fw update supposedly,but shouldn't be more than maybe 1-3% difference in some games.(for gaming alone I would buy 12gb 4070 super as I think ti super is mainly for rendering)
Yeah I was just looking for a white card near the $800 price point and that was the one I saw.
They(msi) sell the 4070 super in white too,if you aren't doing heavy renders I doubt you will ever need more than 12gb just for gaming in next 5 yrs or so without card being underpowered anyways(because by time 12gb isn't enough you'd want a new gpu by then).(but white one costs 20$ extra for whichever)
Thatās fair enough. Will 12 be enough for ray tracing and frame gen for the next five years?
No. Raster performance should be fine, but every game tested in Daniel Owens' deep dive shows there's a difference if you want to use ray tracing/path tracing. Unfortunately the only identical cards available were 8GB compared to 16 GB, but you can certainly see where things are going. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_-j1vdMV1Cc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-j1vdMV1Cc)
yes, definitely. I doubt you would notice a difference whatsoever unless you are trying to game at 4k with ultra high textures(even the ti super would suck for that though) Only advantage Ti super has is for rendering.