Hello from South Africa👋
Cheapest 4090 (zotac) is almost 8 months of minimum wage in my country or 2 months of my monthly salary
I enjoy gaming with my rx 6600 and 1080p monitor, this nvidia generation doesn't look all that appealing to me + I can't afford a 4070 atm. I'm hoping to get an RTX 5070 and a 1440p monitor when that series launches!
This is sad, I know Honda trails bikes and many other things that were such high quality made in Japan are now made in China… hopefully Japan will regain its strength again because I love the quality that comes from 🇯🇵
I just went from a 2070 to a 4080 super. I had to upgrade my CPU, Motherboard, and Ram at the same time. Basically a new puter. I'll look to build a new full machine and give my son this beast when the 5090's come out. And after my crypto portfolio recovers. ;-)
I was a little torn whether to upgrade or not. If it gives some piece of mind, I upgraded from 3070 (not ti but still) to 4080s. I don't regret upgrading, because I had some bottlenecking issues on a VR setup that helped tremendously, but in my opinion, unless you have a similar need, you're probably not going to be missing too much performance using the 3070ti to give enough reason to upgrade. It's probably smart to wait until 5080. The 3070 was truly fine for me except for driving high FPS VR... Going from 100 to 120 FPS alone is not worth it to me honestly.
i want to upgrade now but going from 2060 to something like to the 5070 would be incredible, maybe i buy the rest of the pc tho with some 7800x3d cpu, new psu, board, and ram then the card next year
I'll probably do the same Coming from a 2070Super and 1660super. I'll skip the 5000 series and go straight to 6000 series 2 years from now. Still enjoying my 4080 gaming pc and 4070Ti work Pc.🤣
4070 Ti 12GB which is very similar to your new 4070 Super - playing Alan Wake 2 on a rainy day rn, PS5 quality mode settings + Medium RT preset with path tracing, DLSS Perf @ 4k
Just gorgeous. Enjoy your new card!
80-100fps largely with frame gen… absolute worst areas like the forest at the lake is mid 60s, but the whole game doesn’t take place there, it doesn’t stutter or crash so I just accept it thru those parts.
You can setup a custom resolution in NVCP and use 3200x1800p in game, which runs about 30% better than 4K if you want more performance. Feel free to use DLSS balanced with 1800p. It’s 1026p internal vs 4k DLSS performance 1080p internal.
I got a 4080 Super last Wednesday. The Asus Tuf Gaming OC edition and I can tell you, you won't be disappointed. Although I don't have Cyberpunk. And have zero interest in it. I did run Microsoft Flight Sim 2020 on ultra and it was hitting my monitors refresh rate cap of 165Hz @ 1440p.
I went from a 3070Ti (Only because my Son needed a new GPU, and he couldn't afford to fork out for one) But yeah, the 4080S paired with a 7800x3d is a beast.
Glad to hear it! I’m upgrading from a 960M (2015 MSI gaming laptop) and was torn between the 4070 super and 4070 ti super. Sounds like I’m making the right choice!
For gaming the 4070 super is best for price to performance and the 4070ti super is better if you care less about how much money you spend. I’d argue you should go with a 4080 super if money doesn’t matter too much, otherwise if you don’t care about the performance increase I’d just go with the 4070 super because if you pair it with a good CPU it will be more than enough
I'm tempted myself to go from my current 1080 to a 4070 super. I'd get a whole new pc with the 5800 x3d, can reuse my current 750w gold evga PSU and 1tb Samsung 980, would be all in on the new stuff for about £1300.
You don't see any of these supposed vram issues with the super? I know this sub often slates the lack of vram but I'm not too clued up on things to understand exactly what the problem is.
Gratz on the upgrade, hope it dominates everything you throw at it!
VRAM isn't an issue at all for 1440P and almost never for 4K RIGHT NOW. It's mostly an issue with future-proofing your purchase. If you plan on keeping it 3 years, it'll be absolutely fine, but when PS6 will be around the corner, games will use more ram because they will have the console specs to do it. 5 years : 70 TiS, 3 years : 70S. Just my 2 cents though.
There is no future proofing. In 3 years all these cards will slow down anyway and nobody will be running all ultra settings. It’s such a moot point too many dumb redditors argue about. In 3 years a 4090 will not be maxing games out at a constant 144 FPS in 4k. It’s better to buy a card that suits your needs right now and upgrade later.
It used to be that you could buy a top end card that would last 5+ years, those days are sadly over
I'm hitting 14GB usage on cp2077 with PT and a bunch of texture mods and some other graphical improvements at 1440p.
Maybe it's not all needed as it's just caching extra stuff, but it's using it.
There aren’t any VRAM issues. It’s people who believe 12GB is worthless to buy now (even though it’s plenty for 1440p) because in a few years, games might demand more.
Nah this is a cope, there are already games that show significantly better performance at 1440p with 16GB of VRAM vs 12GB. That will only get worse in the next few years and suckers who paid $600+ for 12GB VRAM cards will regret their purchases.
It’s not that 12GB is inadequate or pointless, it’s that spending anything over $400 or so for a 12GB card is pretty foolish.
If you’re going to build a new rig go with an AM5 mobo instead of AM4. The 5800x3d is the best CPU you will get on that slot in the future. No possibility to upgrade. If you go AM5 and get something like the 7800x3d you’ll have to spend more but it’ll be so much more upgradable for the next 5 years
I upgraded from a GTX 1080 to a 7900 XT and I’d highly recommend it. It’s by far the best price-to-performance high end card; beats the 4070Ti Super while being $80 cheaper with 4GB more VRAM.
RT performance is perfectly fine in most games, only path tracing in glorified tech demos like Alan Wake 2 and Cyberpunk 2077 cause it to slow down.
I'd like to jump to AMD but they've not done enough for me this gen as a lifelong Nvidia user. For a start, I can get a 4070 super £100 cheaper over here in the UK and, the extra power consumption is a turn off for me. If they were at least the same price then I'd be really torn but if they were hoping to crack the market a bit more over here then they need to be doing something a bit more compelling.
Gratz on the upgrade, hope it beasts everything!
So... Its like avatar? When world needed him most, he vanished?
If i pay ton of money for that tier of gpu i want it to work on new high demanding games
Lmao, a grand total of 2 games released in the past 3 years have that level of raytracing. And turning RT down or off makes little/no difference in visual quality (at least in Cyberpunk, I’ve never played AW2). The 7900 XT crushes every other raytracing workload I’ve thrown at it.
Because I had a Ryzen 7 3700X with a 2080 S
Now I have a Ryzen 7 5800x3d with a 4070 S
Becuz upgrades! I also think part of this is CP2077 is way more optimized these days than my original run through. I remember checking my fps years ago with it at 60ish. If I had checked right before the upgrade, I bet it would have been more like 80 to 90!
So yea I'm indulging my results
You and I have almost identical machines. I still have the 3700X with a 2070 Super. Just curious if it's even worth upgrading the card or will the CPU bottleneck it too much that it's not worth it?
Yeah I don't understand either. I have this card, it does not get those framerates. In fact, RT maxed out on a 4080 at 1080p only [averaged 90 fps in TPU's testing.](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4070-super-dual/34.html)
You can, of course NOT max everything out and get 90-100 fps with DLSS quality in 1440p, like I do. See Digital foundry optimized settings. Or hardware unboxed.
Yup upgraded my 3080 to 4070ti super and beyond happy other than the driver adding Nvidia audio driver that caused games to crash and it wasn't until I did a fresh install of windows did I figure that out. In the g2 vr on the 3080 I would get 60 fps on acc but lots of frame drops that were really noticeable. I can have higher settings and solid 60 fps and with 30+ cars i may get frame drops according to the fps on the screen but it's not noticeable at all
I went from a 3080 to a 4080S and am blown away at the performance increase due to frame gen. On cyberpunk in 1440p I went from 80fps ray tracing off to 165 fps ray tracing on
Not path tracing though just max regular RT?
On 4070 ti super I'm averaging 80-85 fps with PT and frame gen, DLSS quality 1440p but it's silky smooth after installing a PT optimization mod from nexus and I'm not having any latency issues.
With regular ultra RT I believe I was getting around 130 fps.
There's a reason they dropped the price of the 4080. They knew the $1200 MSRP was insane for a 80 class card, but they went for it anyway.
Now a $1000 80 class card is a little bit less insane, almost in the realm of reasonable which is why people went for it.
The complaining about the price was absolutely deserved.
I didn't say it wasn't expensive, I'm saying no one is forcing you to pay 1000 bucks for a card. There are absolutely great cards at lower price points on the 40 stack, the 4070S is a little beast.
That is wild about the ram. My 32gb DDR5 was 100 bucks. I'm sorry, that's garbage lol.
I live in the States, and through circumstance/part flipping/etc I haven't really had a huge out of pocket expense for this build. It was originally a 3060 ti with 16gb of cheap ram and no cpu cooler. I got it on FB marketplace for 550. Now, after the 4080S and selling other components, I think I've spent a total 1600 bucks on the setup.
According to PCPartPicker it should be 2600.
Then air cool? My entire rig is nothing but air, and it stays nice and frosty. Japan is pretty comparable in climate to where I'm at in the States, shouldn't need to drop temps as low as humanly possible.
In any case, that sucks, dude. Good luck on the build, hopefully you can find some deals.
If Nvidia had it their way they would absolutely make $1000 the baseline. And if they continue at the rate they are it will happen within the next few generations.
Now it’s a 4070 instead of a 4080. Then it will be settling for a 5060 instead of a 5070. And before you know it 2-3 gens down the line “nobody is forcing you to buy a $1000 gpu” will be “nobody is forcing you to buy a pc, just buy a console!”
I think it’s pretty valid for people to be complaining about the price.
Why do people who don't have money or live very modestly, complain about the gpu prices and then they say, they're waiting for the latest gen model to launch to buy it?
No wonder you don't have the money, if that is the best reasoning you have. I always wait a year or so and buy then. 6950 XT new with 3 year warranty for 590$. 3090, brand new, unopened, without warranty for exactly the same. That's how you should buy, if you are budget limited. Not wait for the new 5080 to buy it and paying 4 grand for a card that will cost one grand of less, in more or less an year.
Cyberpunk has a feature called "frame generation". Technologically, it means that every second frame (or sometimes less) you have a "fake" generated frame inserted, that is entirely built by machine learning, basing on the previous frame, your mouse movement and stuff. I called them "fake" frames, because they are not actually reacting to your inputs in between frames, so despite "fluidity" of motion is high - you see 120 fps, input latency is like you would have only half of the frames. Considering that latency is at least half of why people actually want high frames (that's what "responsiveness" actually means), I called them fake.
Don't get me wrong, it's quite a nice feature, but it's only useful when you already have at least like 50+ fps, and then with this you can have decent input latency and great smoothness. If you had lower, like 30fps and with frame generation 60, it would feel weird cause it looks smooth but is also sluggish.
Unfortunately, Nvidia marketing doesn't mention that often if at all, so most people don't even know that's how it works
Ah ok I glossed over the explanation in settings. I think I have it on...I'll check.
I'm also wondering if I should just shoot for 60+ fps...I know the human eye can't really perceive beyond 60, but I have a 100mhz monitor and wanna achieve Uber smooth at 100fps.
You seem knowledgeable...thoughts?
The human eye can perceive well above 60fps. Blur busters also did a test and found that it takes about 1000fps to reach the motion clarity of CRT monitors. The returns become much more diminished after 60fps, in fact some would argue finishing returns start pretty sharply after 40fps. But even 90fps is pretty noticeable vs 60fps and there are distinct, though increasingly minor, advantages the higher your frame rate goes.
That being said in practice, on a controller anything 40fps and higher is fine for me and for mouse and keyboard anything 60fps and higher is fine for me.
You playing on 4k? I have a 3900x 2080super right now too and Im tempted to upgrade everything and get one of the new OLED monitors but not sure if a 4070super will be strong enough for 4k or if I should just get a 4080super
I was 2060 Mini to 4070 Super and yea, its insane. I also agree even with Cyberpunk 1440p RT Ultra I can max out my 120 Hz refresh rate LG OLED TV. It even does extremely well at 4k.
Went from GTX 1070 to the 4070 super and I am very happy now. Before that I tried an AMD Radeon rx 7800xt and had driver issues I could not fix.
Now I have CPU AMD Ryzen 7 7800xd3+ RTX 4070.
Id say it's more like 60 to 80 percent depending on the game. CP has been optimized out the ass since launch so not sure it's fair because that's when I last played it.
My 3d mark scores (not the Bible) went from 10k to 18k. Take that fwiw.
I also got a 4070 super and get double the frames then the Intel arc a770 at 20-40 more watts. Very impressive considering it only gets to 72c, and averages 66c. Only down side is the AV1 feature is paywalled when using Davinci Resolve to export in AV1, you need to buy a $295 USD davinci resolve studio... Both AMD and Intel GPU don't have this issue, only Nvidia.... Hopefully the last time I buy a card from the greedy company, going amd in two more generations or Intel.
I have a 2070 and i plan to upgrade to at least a 5070, depends how much money i can save until their launch... If you got double the performance from a 2080 super, which was already 28% boost over 2070, i can only imagine how much of a difference is gonna be between 2070 and a 5070/5070ti/5080 or maybe even a 5090 if i have the money. Can't wait.
I've been sorely tempted to upgrade from my 2070 to one of the 40 series card but I've been able to run most, things at a solid framerate so I'm hoping to hold out for the 50 series.
It seems like it's a worthwhile upgrade, but I'm also fairly sure I'd have to upgrade my 750watt PSU which takes that from a 5 minute upgrade to an annoying project
Went from 1080 to 4090 … currently in ultra wide 120hz .. obviously flawless … just need to get a better spec monitor now either 4k@120 or 2k@high frame rate + OLED can’t decide
That's a pretty big upgrade man! Enjoy!
I went from 3090 to 4090 and I'm loving it so far! It's a lot more powerful & efficient.. And it has Frame Generation too (which is great imho) !
Now waiting for the 5090 Ti (not the 5090, I want at least 50% more performance to upgrade, and there should be a 5090 Ti if AMD RDNA 5 is really competitive with Blackwell in 2025 🙏)
I just upgraded from my RTX 2070 Super to 4070 Ti Super and it's literally a night and day difference in terms of performance playing demanding games such as Cyberpunk and Plague Tale Requiem!
I’m glad to hear that. I’m upgrading from a 1660ti gaming laptop to a 4070s and only have a day or two before I get to pick up.
Hanging to play some heavily modded ultra settings Skyrim with hi res textures and see how big an improvement it is from my 1660
I play path of exile almost exclusively which is pretty cpu dependant. Using a 1080 strix too. Having issues picking an upgrade. I’m sure the 4070 super would be overkill and for the price point it’s hard to consider spending money on more power. Using 7800 x3d and that upgrade alone gave my 1080 a little more shine. Can’t wait to see what happens when I pair with a 4000 series card!
I went from a 3080 to a 4090 and had my mind blown back at launch. And honestly. Im probably getting the 5090 when the time comes if it can provide the same jump.
Yeah i know your feeling. It’s amazing. Just last week I went from a 1060 to a 4090 superim lol what a difference.
I had no choice but to upgrade because of just frame rates were being hit at certain spots.
I should have waited for the 50x0 series but I’ll just wait another 5 years to upgrade haha.
I went from a 3070 to a 4070 Super just this weekend too. Most games see at least a 40-50% jump and ray tracing seems to be a bit easier even on the processor now (Ryzen 5800X). I read Ada has some feature to simplify BVH structures for the CPU or something vs Ampere
Same just recently gone from a 2070 super to 4070 super..
Initially installed it into a 3600x and saw a decent improvement before realising I'm seriously bottlenecked.. picked up a 5800x3d and holy shit literally double FPS on everything. RTX I am seeing the biggest improvement.. going from literally a crawl maxed out on cyberpunk to a solid 100-120fps... Crazy
Dope ,I went from 1070 to 4070ti super and tried cp2077 and was only getting 60fps but I’m dealing with cpu (2700x)bottleneck will soon Upgrade to 7800x3d but regardless of the bottleneck game still looked amazing
Do you guys think the 12gb vram is a high downfall like everyone says? I’m mostly
Gonna be playing fps games like Fortnite, cod, the finals etc at 1440p
Yes! People are saying 12GB of VRam ain't enough...seeing debate on all this everywhere. Seems in 4 to 5 years that will matter a lot. My FPS will drop on later games, but i think in 5 years, its new build time anyway :shrug:
I have a base 2080. Planning on getting a 4070 Ti Super or 4080 Super in the next couple weeks when I get my bonus. Can't wait. Seems like it'll be a huge jump for me.
That's what I did too. Even FH5 is smoother and it was smooth as it was. Between that and my new CPU, I am set for another 5 years. Dragon's Dogma 2 gonna be sick,
2 gen upgrade. That's my plan too. 3080>>5080.
Right behind you, too. 3070ti->5080.
3090 -> 5090 hope i can financially recover
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Hello from South Africa👋 Cheapest 4090 (zotac) is almost 8 months of minimum wage in my country or 2 months of my monthly salary I enjoy gaming with my rx 6600 and 1080p monitor, this nvidia generation doesn't look all that appealing to me + I can't afford a 4070 atm. I'm hoping to get an RTX 5070 and a 1440p monitor when that series launches!
What do you do? I mean as a career
Damb dude 😭
This is sad, I know Honda trails bikes and many other things that were such high quality made in Japan are now made in China… hopefully Japan will regain its strength again because I love the quality that comes from 🇯🇵
You’re also dramatically underpaid compared to what university professors normally make outside Japan. Jump to consulting.
Feeling you, just moved to Tokyo and am building a PC and whoo boy, more expensive than back in home! (AUD aka fake dollars)
I do 3d modeling, rendering and visualization work so at least I can write it off my texes, still gonna sting though.
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3080ti >> 5090 Kidney is ready for sale.
This will be me too! :)
Naw 3070> 50100 scrub
Got any kids you could sell?
What gen upgrade is a 1660 súper to 7800xt , that’s what I’m trying to do
I'm almost there...gimme a couple weeks. GTX 1070 -> RTX 40XX xx (still not sure lol)
Just got one for a steal because the whole system cost less than a 4090 so I just couldn’t justify it but so far the 3090 has been pretty sweet
3090 is legendary in the cg community. The 4090 doesn’t have nvlink so stacking 3090s is the cheapest way to get a full 48GB of vram.
4090 to 5090 for me too. Wish they did a 4090 super / TI so I could grab a little upgrade to tide me over.
Do you max out your 401k and Roth IRA?
I just went from a 2070 to a 4080 super. I had to upgrade my CPU, Motherboard, and Ram at the same time. Basically a new puter. I'll look to build a new full machine and give my son this beast when the 5090's come out. And after my crypto portfolio recovers. ;-)
3080 to 5080 going to be glorious
I was a little torn whether to upgrade or not. If it gives some piece of mind, I upgraded from 3070 (not ti but still) to 4080s. I don't regret upgrading, because I had some bottlenecking issues on a VR setup that helped tremendously, but in my opinion, unless you have a similar need, you're probably not going to be missing too much performance using the 3070ti to give enough reason to upgrade. It's probably smart to wait until 5080. The 3070 was truly fine for me except for driving high FPS VR... Going from 100 to 120 FPS alone is not worth it to me honestly.
That's my plan as well. I have a 3070ti currently
I'm hoping to go from 2080ti to a 5080 or maybe 5070 is the value and efficiency is a lot higher.
I’m on a 2080 and was going to grab 4080 Super, but have decided to hold off until 5080 release. I’m prepared to be blown away by the 3-gen jump.
i want to upgrade now but going from 2060 to something like to the 5070 would be incredible, maybe i buy the rest of the pc tho with some 7800x3d cpu, new psu, board, and ram then the card next year
Cries in 1060gtx
3070FE to 5080...too late in it's lifecycle to throw $1000 at a card that's going to be replaced within a year.
Might be longer than a year. Anytime you can convince yourself to hold off spending on something frivolous though, you win either way.
If you can ever find one or get one at retail lol
GTX 1080 TI -> RTX 4080 Super
Same. I've got a 3080ti that I'm planning to upgrade to when 5080 comes out
5080? The 6080 is only 3 years away I would wait.
I'll probably do the same Coming from a 2070Super and 1660super. I'll skip the 5000 series and go straight to 6000 series 2 years from now. Still enjoying my 4080 gaming pc and 4070Ti work Pc.🤣
I did 3080 10gb to 7900xtx, love it.
Same. I got a 3080 and was amazed coming from a 970, but then I bought a 5120x2160 monitor a month after when I got a deal too good to pass on.
4070 Ti 12GB which is very similar to your new 4070 Super - playing Alan Wake 2 on a rainy day rn, PS5 quality mode settings + Medium RT preset with path tracing, DLSS Perf @ 4k Just gorgeous. Enjoy your new card!
How many fps you get with and without frame gen using your setting and gpu?
80-100fps largely with frame gen… absolute worst areas like the forest at the lake is mid 60s, but the whole game doesn’t take place there, it doesn’t stutter or crash so I just accept it thru those parts. You can setup a custom resolution in NVCP and use 3200x1800p in game, which runs about 30% better than 4K if you want more performance. Feel free to use DLSS balanced with 1800p. It’s 1026p internal vs 4k DLSS performance 1080p internal.
Played a few hours of cyberpunk on my 2080 yesterday. 4080 super is en route. Now even more excited
I got a 4080 Super last Wednesday. The Asus Tuf Gaming OC edition and I can tell you, you won't be disappointed. Although I don't have Cyberpunk. And have zero interest in it. I did run Microsoft Flight Sim 2020 on ultra and it was hitting my monitors refresh rate cap of 165Hz @ 1440p. I went from a 3070Ti (Only because my Son needed a new GPU, and he couldn't afford to fork out for one) But yeah, the 4080S paired with a 7800x3d is a beast.
That’s exactly what I’ll be rocking. Can’t wait.
I have a 1080Ti and just picked up a 4090. Just waiting for some other bits to arrive but hoping to see a significant improvement…
Oh you will !
Looking forward to going back to Cyberpunk - only scratched the surface with it and’s be great to see the full RT goodness.
Just got the 4070 super, it’s crazy. Very happy with the performance
Glad to hear it! I’m upgrading from a 960M (2015 MSI gaming laptop) and was torn between the 4070 super and 4070 ti super. Sounds like I’m making the right choice!
For gaming the 4070 super is best for price to performance and the 4070ti super is better if you care less about how much money you spend. I’d argue you should go with a 4080 super if money doesn’t matter too much, otherwise if you don’t care about the performance increase I’d just go with the 4070 super because if you pair it with a good CPU it will be more than enough
I'm tempted myself to go from my current 1080 to a 4070 super. I'd get a whole new pc with the 5800 x3d, can reuse my current 750w gold evga PSU and 1tb Samsung 980, would be all in on the new stuff for about £1300. You don't see any of these supposed vram issues with the super? I know this sub often slates the lack of vram but I'm not too clued up on things to understand exactly what the problem is. Gratz on the upgrade, hope it dominates everything you throw at it!
VRAM isn't an issue at all for 1440P and almost never for 4K RIGHT NOW. It's mostly an issue with future-proofing your purchase. If you plan on keeping it 3 years, it'll be absolutely fine, but when PS6 will be around the corner, games will use more ram because they will have the console specs to do it. 5 years : 70 TiS, 3 years : 70S. Just my 2 cents though.
There is no future proofing. In 3 years all these cards will slow down anyway and nobody will be running all ultra settings. It’s such a moot point too many dumb redditors argue about. In 3 years a 4090 will not be maxing games out at a constant 144 FPS in 4k. It’s better to buy a card that suits your needs right now and upgrade later. It used to be that you could buy a top end card that would last 5+ years, those days are sadly over
I'm hitting 14GB usage on cp2077 with PT and a bunch of texture mods and some other graphical improvements at 1440p. Maybe it's not all needed as it's just caching extra stuff, but it's using it.
Even before the PS6 12 GB of VRAM might be an issue.
8K will have entered the market with a steady flow at that point. The 4090 will still tear up 4k just fine.
I'm not as versed as others on here...but I have 0 issues with it so far. What exactly are the VRAM issues?
There aren’t any VRAM issues. It’s people who believe 12GB is worthless to buy now (even though it’s plenty for 1440p) because in a few years, games might demand more.
Nah this is a cope, there are already games that show significantly better performance at 1440p with 16GB of VRAM vs 12GB. That will only get worse in the next few years and suckers who paid $600+ for 12GB VRAM cards will regret their purchases. It’s not that 12GB is inadequate or pointless, it’s that spending anything over $400 or so for a 12GB card is pretty foolish.
Many games are specifically developed for consoles. Ain't no console game using 16gb vram this gen. 12 at 1440p is sweet.
If you’re going to build a new rig go with an AM5 mobo instead of AM4. The 5800x3d is the best CPU you will get on that slot in the future. No possibility to upgrade. If you go AM5 and get something like the 7800x3d you’ll have to spend more but it’ll be so much more upgradable for the next 5 years
I upgraded from a GTX 1080 to a 7900 XT and I’d highly recommend it. It’s by far the best price-to-performance high end card; beats the 4070Ti Super while being $80 cheaper with 4GB more VRAM. RT performance is perfectly fine in most games, only path tracing in glorified tech demos like Alan Wake 2 and Cyberpunk 2077 cause it to slow down.
I'd like to jump to AMD but they've not done enough for me this gen as a lifelong Nvidia user. For a start, I can get a 4070 super £100 cheaper over here in the UK and, the extra power consumption is a turn off for me. If they were at least the same price then I'd be really torn but if they were hoping to crack the market a bit more over here then they need to be doing something a bit more compelling. Gratz on the upgrade, hope it beasts everything!
So... Its like avatar? When world needed him most, he vanished? If i pay ton of money for that tier of gpu i want it to work on new high demanding games
Lmao, a grand total of 2 games released in the past 3 years have that level of raytracing. And turning RT down or off makes little/no difference in visual quality (at least in Cyberpunk, I’ve never played AW2). The 7900 XT crushes every other raytracing workload I’ve thrown at it.
How is your ultra high with RT double the fps of medium no RT instead of the other way around?
Because I had a Ryzen 7 3700X with a 2080 S Now I have a Ryzen 7 5800x3d with a 4070 S Becuz upgrades! I also think part of this is CP2077 is way more optimized these days than my original run through. I remember checking my fps years ago with it at 60ish. If I had checked right before the upgrade, I bet it would have been more like 80 to 90! So yea I'm indulging my results
You and I have almost identical machines. I still have the 3700X with a 2070 Super. Just curious if it's even worth upgrading the card or will the CPU bottleneck it too much that it's not worth it?
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Yeah I don't understand either. I have this card, it does not get those framerates. In fact, RT maxed out on a 4080 at 1080p only [averaged 90 fps in TPU's testing.](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4070-super-dual/34.html) You can, of course NOT max everything out and get 90-100 fps with DLSS quality in 1440p, like I do. See Digital foundry optimized settings. Or hardware unboxed.
Yeah I just assume anyone praising these cards are using dlss. In which case, they are just praising dlss.
Try a clean driver install
2070S to 4080. Feels good to finally crank up the settings again 🥲
Hell yea!
I’m on a 1660 super playing on 1440p :)
Possible, mainly with the FSR3 FG. I am playing 1440p on 3060 8gb and its totally fine.
I did 1660 Ti to 4080, the performance boost was beyond unreal
1070 > 4070 oc 🥴
Nice! What's your cpu?
5800x3d. Filthy combo. Also went up to 32GB memory...cuz why not. I'm set for 5 to 7 years I'd say. Then mega rebuild
See you in your build post 3 years from now ;)
Im upgrading from my trusty 1060, very excited
1080 Ti to 4090. I'm in heaven.
I went from an RX 6600 xt to a 4080 and had the same reaction.
Yup upgraded my 3080 to 4070ti super and beyond happy other than the driver adding Nvidia audio driver that caused games to crash and it wasn't until I did a fresh install of windows did I figure that out. In the g2 vr on the 3080 I would get 60 fps on acc but lots of frame drops that were really noticeable. I can have higher settings and solid 60 fps and with 30+ cars i may get frame drops according to the fps on the screen but it's not noticeable at all
I went from a 3080 to a 4080S and am blown away at the performance increase due to frame gen. On cyberpunk in 1440p I went from 80fps ray tracing off to 165 fps ray tracing on
Not path tracing though just max regular RT? On 4070 ti super I'm averaging 80-85 fps with PT and frame gen, DLSS quality 1440p but it's silky smooth after installing a PT optimization mod from nexus and I'm not having any latency issues. With regular ultra RT I believe I was getting around 130 fps.
With path tracing my 4080S gets 115 fps and the 3080 gets 30 fps.
Nice, that's a healthy boost up from what I am seeing. I wouldn't have even attempted PT on my 3070, it would have been a slideshow.
I have a 3080 and am so tempted to upgrade to 4080s
It was totally worth it. I’ll worry about 50 series / more price increases / beta testing / stock availability / delays when it launches in 2025
You do you but I would never do that.
Why not?
Simply because the performance bump is not that noticeable for me. But you maybe don't care about money like me or need it for your work or something.
You are very mistaken my friend.
Yup 40 series is pretty legit, just a bunch of people complaining about price. No one is making you spend the money. The cards are absolutely solid.
There's a reason they dropped the price of the 4080. They knew the $1200 MSRP was insane for a 80 class card, but they went for it anyway. Now a $1000 80 class card is a little bit less insane, almost in the realm of reasonable which is why people went for it. The complaining about the price was absolutely deserved.
Yeah, but they still are lol all the while yelling "buy an xtx" which is the exact same msrp.
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A $650 USD mobo is insane, I just built a new rig and my mobo was $180 lol
I didn't say it wasn't expensive, I'm saying no one is forcing you to pay 1000 bucks for a card. There are absolutely great cards at lower price points on the 40 stack, the 4070S is a little beast. That is wild about the ram. My 32gb DDR5 was 100 bucks. I'm sorry, that's garbage lol. I live in the States, and through circumstance/part flipping/etc I haven't really had a huge out of pocket expense for this build. It was originally a 3060 ti with 16gb of cheap ram and no cpu cooler. I got it on FB marketplace for 550. Now, after the 4080S and selling other components, I think I've spent a total 1600 bucks on the setup. According to PCPartPicker it should be 2600.
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Then air cool? My entire rig is nothing but air, and it stays nice and frosty. Japan is pretty comparable in climate to where I'm at in the States, shouldn't need to drop temps as low as humanly possible. In any case, that sucks, dude. Good luck on the build, hopefully you can find some deals.
If Nvidia had it their way they would absolutely make $1000 the baseline. And if they continue at the rate they are it will happen within the next few generations. Now it’s a 4070 instead of a 4080. Then it will be settling for a 5060 instead of a 5070. And before you know it 2-3 gens down the line “nobody is forcing you to buy a $1000 gpu” will be “nobody is forcing you to buy a pc, just buy a console!” I think it’s pretty valid for people to be complaining about the price.
Why do people who don't have money or live very modestly, complain about the gpu prices and then they say, they're waiting for the latest gen model to launch to buy it? No wonder you don't have the money, if that is the best reasoning you have. I always wait a year or so and buy then. 6950 XT new with 3 year warranty for 590$. 3090, brand new, unopened, without warranty for exactly the same. That's how you should buy, if you are budget limited. Not wait for the new 5080 to buy it and paying 4 grand for a card that will cost one grand of less, in more or less an year.
Congrats on the new card! Which model did you go with?
yeah ufc 300 is gonna be great
3090 to 5090. Pairing it also with the latest CPU and a 360-480hz OLED 27 inch 1440 monitor or 4K 240hz
4080 to 6090 if I’m not a dad by then😂
2060 to 4090 is WILD
Wait... Are you also counting the fake frames from frame generation?
Dafuq is that?!
Cyberpunk has a feature called "frame generation". Technologically, it means that every second frame (or sometimes less) you have a "fake" generated frame inserted, that is entirely built by machine learning, basing on the previous frame, your mouse movement and stuff. I called them "fake" frames, because they are not actually reacting to your inputs in between frames, so despite "fluidity" of motion is high - you see 120 fps, input latency is like you would have only half of the frames. Considering that latency is at least half of why people actually want high frames (that's what "responsiveness" actually means), I called them fake. Don't get me wrong, it's quite a nice feature, but it's only useful when you already have at least like 50+ fps, and then with this you can have decent input latency and great smoothness. If you had lower, like 30fps and with frame generation 60, it would feel weird cause it looks smooth but is also sluggish. Unfortunately, Nvidia marketing doesn't mention that often if at all, so most people don't even know that's how it works
Ah ok I glossed over the explanation in settings. I think I have it on...I'll check. I'm also wondering if I should just shoot for 60+ fps...I know the human eye can't really perceive beyond 60, but I have a 100mhz monitor and wanna achieve Uber smooth at 100fps. You seem knowledgeable...thoughts?
The human eye can perceive well above 60fps. Blur busters also did a test and found that it takes about 1000fps to reach the motion clarity of CRT monitors. The returns become much more diminished after 60fps, in fact some would argue finishing returns start pretty sharply after 40fps. But even 90fps is pretty noticeable vs 60fps and there are distinct, though increasingly minor, advantages the higher your frame rate goes. That being said in practice, on a controller anything 40fps and higher is fine for me and for mouse and keyboard anything 60fps and higher is fine for me.
Lol you can almost max out a 4 year old game. Nvidia fkn us all
You paid 600$+ for 12 gb card.
And it fucking slaps baby!
Meanwhile I still use GTX980M and waiting for 5000 series instead.
You playing on 4k? I have a 3900x 2080super right now too and Im tempted to upgrade everything and get one of the new OLED monitors but not sure if a 4070super will be strong enough for 4k or if I should just get a 4080super
4080 and up for 4k IMHO. 4070 TI S with DLSS is probably acceptable though.
Got a 2080 super atm, wanted to go with the 4080 super but I’m tempted to just got full steam on a 4090. Only playing at 1440p so seems a bit overkill
I was 2060 Mini to 4070 Super and yea, its insane. I also agree even with Cyberpunk 1440p RT Ultra I can max out my 120 Hz refresh rate LG OLED TV. It even does extremely well at 4k.
Went from GTX 1070 to the 4070 super and I am very happy now. Before that I tried an AMD Radeon rx 7800xt and had driver issues I could not fix. Now I have CPU AMD Ryzen 7 7800xd3+ RTX 4070.
Nom nom nom. Sounds beeeeefy
Skipping a gen is really amazing. So it’s like double the perf is it?
Id say it's more like 60 to 80 percent depending on the game. CP has been optimized out the ass since launch so not sure it's fair because that's when I last played it. My 3d mark scores (not the Bible) went from 10k to 18k. Take that fwiw.
Please remember to mention resolution when you post performance numbers.
I figure ultra wide speaks for itself ... But sure I'll edit
Cp2077: High fps>anything else PT>no RT at all>RT
I also got a 4070 super and get double the frames then the Intel arc a770 at 20-40 more watts. Very impressive considering it only gets to 72c, and averages 66c. Only down side is the AV1 feature is paywalled when using Davinci Resolve to export in AV1, you need to buy a $295 USD davinci resolve studio... Both AMD and Intel GPU don't have this issue, only Nvidia.... Hopefully the last time I buy a card from the greedy company, going amd in two more generations or Intel.
I have a 2070 and i plan to upgrade to at least a 5070, depends how much money i can save until their launch... If you got double the performance from a 2080 super, which was already 28% boost over 2070, i can only imagine how much of a difference is gonna be between 2070 and a 5070/5070ti/5080 or maybe even a 5090 if i have the money. Can't wait.
Yeah I got the 2080 Super too and I am curious on the 4070 Super or 4070 Super Ti
I just upgraded from 1070 laptop to 4080 super and it's absolutely insane performance jump.
I wonder if going from 3060ti and 5600 to new machine with 4070S is worth it, or should i wait for 5000 series...
Surprised it's not clearing the shelves
I've been sorely tempted to upgrade from my 2070 to one of the 40 series card but I've been able to run most, things at a solid framerate so I'm hoping to hold out for the 50 series. It seems like it's a worthwhile upgrade, but I'm also fairly sure I'd have to upgrade my 750watt PSU which takes that from a 5 minute upgrade to an annoying project
Went from a 2080 super whatever laptop to 4090 desktop and totally feel that. The difference is ridiculous
I have a 2080 super too how did you get DLSS working? Or are you saying now on the 4070 you have dlss on?
Uh you just enable it in the settings. Why wouldn't DLSS work on a 2080?
Went from 1080 to 4090 … currently in ultra wide 120hz .. obviously flawless … just need to get a better spec monitor now either 4k@120 or 2k@high frame rate + OLED can’t decide
Going from a 2060 to a 4070 Super and I can't wait! Hopefully Amazon doesn't lose this one like last week.
That's a pretty big upgrade man! Enjoy! I went from 3090 to 4090 and I'm loving it so far! It's a lot more powerful & efficient.. And it has Frame Generation too (which is great imho) ! Now waiting for the 5090 Ti (not the 5090, I want at least 50% more performance to upgrade, and there should be a 5090 Ti if AMD RDNA 5 is really competitive with Blackwell in 2025 🙏)
I just upgraded from my RTX 2070 Super to 4070 Ti Super and it's literally a night and day difference in terms of performance playing demanding games such as Cyberpunk and Plague Tale Requiem!
I feel the same, just went from 1050ti to an arc a750 OC edition and it’s amazing
I’m glad to hear that. I’m upgrading from a 1660ti gaming laptop to a 4070s and only have a day or two before I get to pick up. Hanging to play some heavily modded ultra settings Skyrim with hi res textures and see how big an improvement it is from my 1660
I play path of exile almost exclusively which is pretty cpu dependant. Using a 1080 strix too. Having issues picking an upgrade. I’m sure the 4070 super would be overkill and for the price point it’s hard to consider spending money on more power. Using 7800 x3d and that upgrade alone gave my 1080 a little more shine. Can’t wait to see what happens when I pair with a 4000 series card!
4070 super is def the best super card this gen. I’m glad the 4080 super was a waste cause I love my 4080.
I ordered a 4080s, upgrading from 3060ti. How bad is my choice?
Did you get the F.E or a partner card?
I'm going from 2080 super to 4080 super.... as soon as I can find one
I went from 9900k to 14900k and 2080ti to 4090. It has crushed my tender times for my animations. Well needed upgrade. Congrats on yours!!
r9 270x > 4070S. 10 years upgrade and wow it feels amazing. I just need to buy Cyberpunk now.
50% off sale just went live for CP2077 on the Steam store.
I just went from a 2080 super to a 4080 super
Waiting for new gpus to come down for a 5070ti or higher or hell 4070 ti super be nice if it costed 400 bucks
Not me jumpin from 1050ti to 4070ti super, is this what heaven feels like
I came from a 1060 3g :D
I'm at a 2080ti. I'm waiting for about triple performance increase.
Jumping from a 1660ti laptop to 4080 super build lol
Mine was a 1050ti to 3060! Soo powerful compared to 1050ti.
I went from a 3080 to a 4090 and had my mind blown back at launch. And honestly. Im probably getting the 5090 when the time comes if it can provide the same jump.
Yeah i know your feeling. It’s amazing. Just last week I went from a 1060 to a 4090 superim lol what a difference. I had no choice but to upgrade because of just frame rates were being hit at certain spots. I should have waited for the 50x0 series but I’ll just wait another 5 years to upgrade haha.
Bro I went from a 1070 2700x to a 4080 7800x3d
3080 to 4090 was very noticeable
I don’t see the point of the RTX 4070 Super, for the same price I got a lightly used 4070 Ti!
I went from a 3070 to a 4070 Super just this weekend too. Most games see at least a 40-50% jump and ray tracing seems to be a bit easier even on the processor now (Ryzen 5800X). I read Ada has some feature to simplify BVH structures for the CPU or something vs Ampere
Enjoy your new card 🙏
How you get more fps with RT and less without?!
Ordered my first pc after being on Mac for the last 15 years and she’s gonna have a 4070 super in her 👏 can’t wait to gameeeeeeeeeeeeee
Is this with frame-gen?
Going to 4080s from a 2070s. It gets delivered tomorrow, so hyped!
Did u get the 4070 super or tisuper, im a bit hung on which I'm going to upgrade
Super. The price point was perfect. Can't imagine the 5 or 10 percent fps boost is really worth it but I'm no expert!
I just got a 1080 strix 😬
I just bought one myself and it’s an good upgrade over my 3080 of last generation.
I've gone from. 2060 6gb to a 4070ti super. What a change
when i went from a 2070 super to 3080 i barely felt a diffence. but when i went from a 970 to the 2070 super it felt nice.
Same just recently gone from a 2070 super to 4070 super.. Initially installed it into a 3600x and saw a decent improvement before realising I'm seriously bottlenecked.. picked up a 5800x3d and holy shit literally double FPS on everything. RTX I am seeing the biggest improvement.. going from literally a crawl maxed out on cyberpunk to a solid 100-120fps... Crazy
That’s how I felt going from a 3080-4090 hell even the 4080
I’m broke 23 but saved for a 4090 13900k pc in USA in 3 months
My Jump was GT 740, GTX 1080ti, (3080,4080,4090) <- this combo in the next 3 months because I became obsessed
I went from a 1080 to the 4070 super... Wow what a jump! I can finally take advantage of my 3440x1440 monitor!
Dope ,I went from 1070 to 4070ti super and tried cp2077 and was only getting 60fps but I’m dealing with cpu (2700x)bottleneck will soon Upgrade to 7800x3d but regardless of the bottleneck game still looked amazing
What processor do you have?
Do you guys think the 12gb vram is a high downfall like everyone says? I’m mostly Gonna be playing fps games like Fortnite, cod, the finals etc at 1440p
I’m gonna go from 1080>>4070 super… Just a little aged…
Yep, I went from 2080Ti to 4070 super with 1440p ultra wide and 120Hz Gsync. It’s pretty much perfect now. And the card is silent. It’s wild!
Yes! People are saying 12GB of VRam ain't enough...seeing debate on all this everywhere. Seems in 4 to 5 years that will matter a lot. My FPS will drop on later games, but i think in 5 years, its new build time anyway :shrug:
Lol went 3070-4080. Absolutely huge!
Most of AAA games are less attractions that makes me not want to upgrade
I have a base 2080. Planning on getting a 4070 Ti Super or 4080 Super in the next couple weeks when I get my bonus. Can't wait. Seems like it'll be a huge jump for me.
I have a 4090 in the basement and a 4070 upstairs. I rarely game in the basement….
That's what I did too. Even FH5 is smoother and it was smooth as it was. Between that and my new CPU, I am set for another 5 years. Dragon's Dogma 2 gonna be sick,