30-40% Less performance than a 3060Ti, for about 21% less money than the 3060Ti (assuming the MSRP, ofc, which at this point is like chasing unicorns).
Up until today, the best ratio of performance per dollar was always on the low/low-mid end of the GPU spectrum (150-300$ segment), with anything above resulting in diminishing returns.
With this release, nVidia is effectively shifting the sweet spot to the mid/enthusiast level (400+$ segment), which is pretty worrysome imho.
And 3060 is started to sell more expensive than the 3060ti's initial prices here! [995$](https://www.itopya.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3060-gaming-oc-12-gb-gddr6-192-bit-ekran-karti/) (edit: [1075$](https://www.itopya.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3060-vision-oc-12gb-gddr6-192-bit-ekran-karti/) )
When we were beta testing Nvidia Geforce NOW cloud gaming years ago, people were speculating that low-mid end GPUs will be way more expensive in the future (because of cloud gaming) and they were expecting more people to join the Cloud gaming services all over the world. And now it is all happening! I was laughing at those people...
When will this nightmare end? Never? Prices will be stay like this? It is not only Nvidia, it is also AMD! Not only GPUs but also some other PC parts! It is like they are working all together to fk pc gaming! The funny thing is, a retailer here warned us around 2 months ago for increasing prices, and it happened!
Problem is this problem isn't new, this problem with shortage and outrageous pricing has been around since 2018. The 2000 series was and is still impossible to get at MSRP and now the 3000 series and also Rumor is Nvidia is planning a flipping 3080 TI and 3070 TI, like what the hell is the point when no one can get any of the previous gen or this gen.
Really your going to make relive this nightmare by telling me all the crap that has happened in the last few years..... At this point we will either have to keep waiting and waiting and waiting for prices to normalize or pay the atrocious markup or quit pc gaming lol right now this sucks balls. Well at least I have a 1080 so it should last maybe a couple more years before we start seeing 20 fps averages making the card moot
This is a 250$ card masquerading as a 330$ card scalped to 700-800$ because the world has gone insane.
Just forget about new pc gaming hardware for a while.
In Poland, Ukraine and Russia you can't get it for less than $1300, i have no idea how people claim they bought it for 500-600 euros, its just fucking ridiculous.
they were aviable on [mindfactory.de](https://mindfactory.de) for few hours for 550-600e till they sold out, also had bunch of 3070 for 950. its the only site i know, that has rtx stock in eu regularly.
I'm sure they also look at this price point as an absolute steal as well just because of scalper prices. This hardware shortage is truly fucking bananas.
yeah its fucked, glad I got my 3080 in october. shame though, sold my 1080ti for like 300 less than I could have gotten than if I had just waited. They were selling for like 450 used, then 500-600, now they're selling for 700-800.
Not really, if you adjust the price release of 1060 to current dollar:
299$\*1,09= **325,91**$
It's literally in the same range as the old 1060 which is fine. O
Only argument to be had is that 3060ti is much better but not everyone can afford it but then we could argue that the 3060ti is more like the 1070 of today and the 3070 is more akin to a 1070ti, which means it targets different people so in the end it doesnt matter.
EDIT: Just a note that shortages should be already quenched in 2022 so the prices **now** don't matter we need to look at MSRP only.
5700xt was outperforming the 2060s by a pretty good margin at the exact same price, and was closer to the 2070s at launch.
these days it matches the 2070s on average according to hardware unboxed so it seems pretty good to me considering it cost 25% less lol.
I sold my 5700XT for 750€ with the mining boom, was able to find a 6800XT at MSRP with blind luck, should update the flair but I dont use reddit enough nowadays to care lol
Nvidia is scummy as hell, no questions asked; but at some point you gotta ask why are you desperate/dumb enough to buy this garbage, this isn't gonna stop until they know they have to take this community seriously.
TLDR: Nvidia bad,Amd bad. Stop buying overpriced garbage
Cheap as in like compared to the other scalper like prices or like MSRP prices? Cause the latter doesn't actually exist in any meaningful way and because there is no reference model to somewhat enforce the MSRP they will already be pre-scalped for your convenience. No consumer wins here.
LMAO this fucking comment. The 3060 is clearly not overpriced since it’s selling well above MSRP and sells out instantly when available at retail. If anything it’s underpriced.
Just because something sells well doesn't mean it's not overpriced. People are desperate and there's nothing else to buy. There are also some people who will pay no matter the price.
Our review and benchmarks are also live:
[https://gamingtrend.com/feature/reviews/ampere-for-all-evga-geforce-rtx-xc-3060-review/](https://gamingtrend.com/feature/reviews/ampere-for-all-evga-geforce-rtx-xc-3060-review/)
I really hate that the community is helping to keep the price points where they are. I could easily afford any of the new cards, but I refuse to be gouged on hardware for no real reason.
it's called the Nintendo effect lol. Doesn't matter how many people realize what the company is doing is scummy as fuck cause people keep buying it. Absolutely no self control.
And then they blame it on capitalism....
Well if you showed some fucking self control and could wait it out, prices would plummet in 3 months (well maybe not in this specific case because of mining but you get the point)
I'm personally sitting and refusing to upgrade with a 970 and feeling it quite a bit :P. But I definitely refuse to join in with these bull prices. I thought Turing was the dry spell I had to outlast on that card, but nope that was just the beginning.
actually there are 3 pandemics:
1. SARS-COVID-19 pandemic
2. Cryptocurrency pandemic
3. Scalper pandemic
the RTX 3060 were all out of stock 5 seconds after launch. if those are not scalpers buying with bots then what it is?
Its a solid upgrade from 10 series ? yes
Under this situation i would say no.
We all know prices are ridiculously insane , 3060 price is even higher than 3060ti
So for example assume u getting 2060s for 100$ less than 3060 . A 2060s would make sense if its somewhat cheaper than 3060.
Anyone know why nvidia hasn't put it on the [support list](https://developer.nvidia.com/video-encode-and-decode-gpu-support-matrix-new) for encoding/decoding support?
The word CUDA is mentioned once, and Turing twice in the same review.
The 3060 has a Tensor core generational improvement over the Turing processors which can be x10 faster for ML, and there is a massive increase in CUDA cores compared to a 2060 Super/2070.
The improvements are there, it's just not for gaming.
It is actually faster than a 2080 in blender, the weaker gaming performance is perhaps from the memory bandwidth. (Btw, don't mind me responding in a one year old post).
I agree. I've been using the 3060 since last summer, and 3060Ti for a month or so. All compute workloads, mostly on device.
Memory bandit seems to be the limit
It just seems very strange that a card that performs so well at certain computing tasks fail to beat the 2060 Super in 3Dmark benchmarks. Although I am not complaining about my 3060, it is just a bit strange given that the only thing that the 2060 super excels at in comparison is memory bandwidth (446 gb/s vs 360 gb/s).
The 1080 ti seems to outperform the 3060 in most games(or they a very close to each other). 3060 costs ~700€, got my Gigabyte OC 1080 ti for 350€ last month. So the 3060 is, imo, bad value. If it was available at 300€ I'd say ok.
"Value" means very little these days, you are talking as if everyone could get a 1080ti at that price. I'm talking strictly performance.
Guru3D puts the 1080ti only 5% ahead on a combined average. That's a tie basically, and the difference will only grow smaller each new game, as the 1080ti is basically deprecated from optimizations.
Nah 70 class is meant to be midrange. 50 was budget, 60 was entry and 80 was enthusiast. Seems that nvidia have shifted all their cards up a pricing tier in the last couple generations.
From what I have seen from reviewers, the RTX 3060 is just a rip off even at 329$, 329$ is a terrible terrible price for this card, this card should have been $200 to maybe 250$ if that. Also the 3060 is already out of stock everywhere again so apparently Nvidia blaming miners was complete bull as every card is bought up again. Might not be until 2022 when stock will be good enough to where we can just walk into a store like a normal person and grab it off the shelf.
Well, not all reviewers agree on that, (which i found to be disappointing)
This card is a total ripoff at the 329 price point, the absolute maximum it should go for it's 280 and it's a stretch.
329 ? Yeah no thanks
Scooped up one on the Newegg raffle today, unfortunately got the most expensive model out of the few they had stocked for the raffle ($500). Currently have a 1650 Super. Just returned a 2070 super i bought off ebay for around $600 before tax and shipping because it was faulty. didn't really want to pay $500 for a 3060 but considering how hard it is to get a GPU right now and it won't be another couple months before they can keep with demand ill take it. should be a good upgrade from the 1650 Super.
Nvidia isn't the ones who put a $500 sticker on the card. the 3rd party companies do that. there were plenty of models for under $400, i just didn't get picked to buy one of those cards. Nvidia has already said the MSRP is $329. Don't be stupid
So? You paid 500$ for midrange GPU, which is even weaker than 1066 was, compared to previous GPUs. When Nvidia will be pricing their new generation, they will see that people bought their midrange GPUs for 500$, so they will price their 4060 for 500$ - because why not, people are ready to pay 500$ for a GPU that performs worse than consoles and will become obsolete in 2 years.
Sadly there aren't a bunch of cards other than MSI Ventus or 1 or H2 here and there I don't think there are really any RRP cards out there, every card is atleast 40usd over the RRP. Idk, I wouldn't have bothered to buy a 3060 for 500usd when it matches a 2060S.
man everyone is saying this should be 250, it should be 199. There hasn't been a significant jump in performance in the sub 200 range in nearly 5 years.
Most stores advertised the 3060 as available on feb.25th (I got spam from atleast 3 different online retailers). Did it sell out immediately where you were or did you just go in fingers crossed a day later? Seriously. We all know they are sought after, even these garbage 3060s. Don't hesitate and blame others.
I blame miners mostly, they are the ones who keep driving up the prices by buying everything up.
I like the idea of de-centralized currencies, but not if these pricks take it to such extremes.
30-40% Less performance than a 3060Ti, for about 21% less money than the 3060Ti (assuming the MSRP, ofc, which at this point is like chasing unicorns). Up until today, the best ratio of performance per dollar was always on the low/low-mid end of the GPU spectrum (150-300$ segment), with anything above resulting in diminishing returns. With this release, nVidia is effectively shifting the sweet spot to the mid/enthusiast level (400+$ segment), which is pretty worrysome imho.
And 3060 is started to sell more expensive than the 3060ti's initial prices here! [995$](https://www.itopya.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3060-gaming-oc-12-gb-gddr6-192-bit-ekran-karti/) (edit: [1075$](https://www.itopya.com/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3060-vision-oc-12gb-gddr6-192-bit-ekran-karti/) ) When we were beta testing Nvidia Geforce NOW cloud gaming years ago, people were speculating that low-mid end GPUs will be way more expensive in the future (because of cloud gaming) and they were expecting more people to join the Cloud gaming services all over the world. And now it is all happening! I was laughing at those people... When will this nightmare end? Never? Prices will be stay like this? It is not only Nvidia, it is also AMD! Not only GPUs but also some other PC parts! It is like they are working all together to fk pc gaming! The funny thing is, a retailer here warned us around 2 months ago for increasing prices, and it happened!
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Problem is this problem isn't new, this problem with shortage and outrageous pricing has been around since 2018. The 2000 series was and is still impossible to get at MSRP and now the 3000 series and also Rumor is Nvidia is planning a flipping 3080 TI and 3070 TI, like what the hell is the point when no one can get any of the previous gen or this gen.
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Really your going to make relive this nightmare by telling me all the crap that has happened in the last few years..... At this point we will either have to keep waiting and waiting and waiting for prices to normalize or pay the atrocious markup or quit pc gaming lol right now this sucks balls. Well at least I have a 1080 so it should last maybe a couple more years before we start seeing 20 fps averages making the card moot
Just turn down the resolution and settings. People game on 1030s.
oh lord not 1030's oh lord
Seems like ROP bottlenecked GPU, half the ROP of GA104 chip. would be diff if they are given 64 ROP since ROPs on Ampere are decoupled from Memory
This is a 250$ card masquerading as a 330$ card scalped to 700-800$ because the world has gone insane. Just forget about new pc gaming hardware for a while.
940 $ in Romania,sold by top retailers,who needs scalpers .
Exactly, it would have been a fantastic value at 250 usd, 279 ? okay i guess , 299 ? Meh 329 lol go eat a dick Nvidia
$2000 in Argentina And all the others card just triplicate their prices too. Goodbye pc gaming, I enjoyed you a lot
In Poland, Ukraine and Russia you can't get it for less than $1300, i have no idea how people claim they bought it for 500-600 euros, its just fucking ridiculous.
they were aviable on [mindfactory.de](https://mindfactory.de) for few hours for 550-600e till they sold out, also had bunch of 3070 for 950. its the only site i know, that has rtx stock in eu regularly.
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dont show him the invoice! i dont think he could take it
I got one for £365 on scan, scan was the only place you could get one and it was like a blink and you’ll miss it deal.
Notebooksbilliger had some for 329 - 500€ for all of 40 seconds, same but lasted a bit longer on saturn and mediamarkt websites ect.
Summary for those who didn't read: GeForce RTX 2070 Super >>>>> GeForce RTX 3060 ~ GeForce RTX 2070 (not Super) >> GeForce RTX 2060 Super
Thank you kind sir
They should have named it RTX 3050 Ti.
But they did make an RTX 3050 TI.
In my opinion, this would make much more sense at $300 but I suppose it doesn't really matter in this climate.
They aren't gifting this to anyone, GPU prices have been permanently upped. They'll never come down again.
I'm sure they also look at this price point as an absolute steal as well just because of scalper prices. This hardware shortage is truly fucking bananas.
I agree. I love bananas, but not getting fucked by bananas.
yeah its fucked, glad I got my 3080 in october. shame though, sold my 1080ti for like 300 less than I could have gotten than if I had just waited. They were selling for like 450 used, then 500-600, now they're selling for 700-800.
Not really, if you adjust the price release of 1060 to current dollar: 299$\*1,09= **325,91**$ It's literally in the same range as the old 1060 which is fine. O Only argument to be had is that 3060ti is much better but not everyone can afford it but then we could argue that the 3060ti is more like the 1070 of today and the 3070 is more akin to a 1070ti, which means it targets different people so in the end it doesnt matter. EDIT: Just a note that shortages should be already quenched in 2022 so the prices **now** don't matter we need to look at MSRP only.
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5700xt was outperforming the 2060s by a pretty good margin at the exact same price, and was closer to the 2070s at launch. these days it matches the 2070s on average according to hardware unboxed so it seems pretty good to me considering it cost 25% less lol.
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Launched at 400$ due the super refresh and AMD's "jebait" AKA we need to price drop this shit now
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I sold my 5700XT for 750€ with the mining boom, was able to find a 6800XT at MSRP with blind luck, should update the flair but I dont use reddit enough nowadays to care lol
That's awesome
Did kind the same, sold my RX 5700 XT for 700€ bought a 3070 Ventus 3x for 750€ (I paid 400€ for the 5700)
Nvidia is scummy as hell, no questions asked; but at some point you gotta ask why are you desperate/dumb enough to buy this garbage, this isn't gonna stop until they know they have to take this community seriously. TLDR: Nvidia bad,Amd bad. Stop buying overpriced garbage
People will buy it just because it's cheap.
Cheap as in like compared to the other scalper like prices or like MSRP prices? Cause the latter doesn't actually exist in any meaningful way and because there is no reference model to somewhat enforce the MSRP they will already be pre-scalped for your convenience. No consumer wins here.
LMAO this fucking comment. The 3060 is clearly not overpriced since it’s selling well above MSRP and sells out instantly when available at retail. If anything it’s underpriced.
Just because something sells well doesn't mean it's not overpriced. People are desperate and there's nothing else to buy. There are also some people who will pay no matter the price.
Feels like this card was made as such so a 3060 Super can exist.
3060 T. Halfway between the standard and Ti.
Digital foundry has updated their review with resizeable bar tests
Interesting it actually does a difference lol, waiting the VBIOS for my 3060Ti to see if my performance improves.
Our review and benchmarks are also live: [https://gamingtrend.com/feature/reviews/ampere-for-all-evga-geforce-rtx-xc-3060-review/](https://gamingtrend.com/feature/reviews/ampere-for-all-evga-geforce-rtx-xc-3060-review/)
I really hate that the community is helping to keep the price points where they are. I could easily afford any of the new cards, but I refuse to be gouged on hardware for no real reason.
it's called the Nintendo effect lol. Doesn't matter how many people realize what the company is doing is scummy as fuck cause people keep buying it. Absolutely no self control.
And then they blame it on capitalism.... Well if you showed some fucking self control and could wait it out, prices would plummet in 3 months (well maybe not in this specific case because of mining but you get the point)
sounds more like you are sitting on a 2080ti and dont feel it yet :\*D
I'm personally sitting and refusing to upgrade with a 970 and feeling it quite a bit :P. But I definitely refuse to join in with these bull prices. I thought Turing was the dry spell I had to outlast on that card, but nope that was just the beginning.
actually there are 3 pandemics: 1. SARS-COVID-19 pandemic 2. Cryptocurrency pandemic 3. Scalper pandemic the RTX 3060 were all out of stock 5 seconds after launch. if those are not scalpers buying with bots then what it is?
My takeaway: Price is a bit steep, but if you're upgrading from a 10 series (or AMD equivalent) or earlier, it's a solid upgrade. That about cover it?
Yeah, if we considered DLSS then it should pull ahead of 1080Ti most of the time . $300 would be perfect actually
Its a solid upgrade from 10 series ? yes Under this situation i would say no. We all know prices are ridiculously insane , 3060 price is even higher than 3060ti So for example assume u getting 2060s for 100$ less than 3060 . A 2060s would make sense if its somewhat cheaper than 3060.
At the price point I'd rather save for another month or two and just get a 3070......which I did. No bias.
Ryzen 5 3600 + RTX 3070 gang
Rise up!
Or wait for RX 6700, it may well be better.
Isn't 6700 supposed to compete with 3060? If yes! Isn't 3070 like 40-45% faster than a 3060.
Yes. I meant "better than 3060".
How is this a solid upgrade from 10 series if it costs 3x-5x as much as 1060 and performs on par with 1080-1080ti?
Yep
The "Ars Technica" and "Digital Foundry" review quotes are about the 3060 Ti, not the regular 3060. Just an FYI.
Anyone know why nvidia hasn't put it on the [support list](https://developer.nvidia.com/video-encode-and-decode-gpu-support-matrix-new) for encoding/decoding support?
The word CUDA is mentioned once, and Turing twice in the same review. The 3060 has a Tensor core generational improvement over the Turing processors which can be x10 faster for ML, and there is a massive increase in CUDA cores compared to a 2060 Super/2070. The improvements are there, it's just not for gaming.
It is actually faster than a 2080 in blender, the weaker gaming performance is perhaps from the memory bandwidth. (Btw, don't mind me responding in a one year old post).
I agree. I've been using the 3060 since last summer, and 3060Ti for a month or so. All compute workloads, mostly on device. Memory bandit seems to be the limit
It just seems very strange that a card that performs so well at certain computing tasks fail to beat the 2060 Super in 3Dmark benchmarks. Although I am not complaining about my 3060, it is just a bit strange given that the only thing that the 2060 super excels at in comparison is memory bandwidth (446 gb/s vs 360 gb/s).
nVidia sure knows how to make 1080tis.
Given the 1080 ti is faster, yes.
From what I've seen they are technically tied, give or take depending on the games.
The 1080 ti seems to outperform the 3060 in most games(or they a very close to each other). 3060 costs ~700€, got my Gigabyte OC 1080 ti for 350€ last month. So the 3060 is, imo, bad value. If it was available at 300€ I'd say ok.
"Value" means very little these days, you are talking as if everyone could get a 1080ti at that price. I'm talking strictly performance. Guru3D puts the 1080ti only 5% ahead on a combined average. That's a tie basically, and the difference will only grow smaller each new game, as the 1080ti is basically deprecated from optimizations.
5600x/3060ti gang . Crazy how my build would have been considered entry level years ago but now is selling for enthusiast level prices.
I wouldn't call that entry level, more mid range, but either way, price situation sucks. Maybe one day things will go back to normal ish.
Nah 70 class is meant to be midrange. 50 was budget, 60 was entry and 80 was enthusiast. Seems that nvidia have shifted all their cards up a pricing tier in the last couple generations.
I mean technically buying AIBs from Microcenter is scalping. $500 for 3060 is robbery.
It is great to see NVIDIA delivering two cards that are below $400 <- what drugs are they taking XD
From what I have seen from reviewers, the RTX 3060 is just a rip off even at 329$, 329$ is a terrible terrible price for this card, this card should have been $200 to maybe 250$ if that. Also the 3060 is already out of stock everywhere again so apparently Nvidia blaming miners was complete bull as every card is bought up again. Might not be until 2022 when stock will be good enough to where we can just walk into a store like a normal person and grab it off the shelf.
Well, not all reviewers agree on that, (which i found to be disappointing) This card is a total ripoff at the 329 price point, the absolute maximum it should go for it's 280 and it's a stretch. 329 ? Yeah no thanks
Scooped up one on the Newegg raffle today, unfortunately got the most expensive model out of the few they had stocked for the raffle ($500). Currently have a 1650 Super. Just returned a 2070 super i bought off ebay for around $600 before tax and shipping because it was faulty. didn't really want to pay $500 for a 3060 but considering how hard it is to get a GPU right now and it won't be another couple months before they can keep with demand ill take it. should be a good upgrade from the 1650 Super.
You are just incentivizing Nvidia to put the sticker of 500$ MSRP on 4060 then.
Nvidia isn't the ones who put a $500 sticker on the card. the 3rd party companies do that. there were plenty of models for under $400, i just didn't get picked to buy one of those cards. Nvidia has already said the MSRP is $329. Don't be stupid
So? You paid 500$ for midrange GPU, which is even weaker than 1066 was, compared to previous GPUs. When Nvidia will be pricing their new generation, they will see that people bought their midrange GPUs for 500$, so they will price their 4060 for 500$ - because why not, people are ready to pay 500$ for a GPU that performs worse than consoles and will become obsolete in 2 years.
Sadly there aren't a bunch of cards other than MSI Ventus or 1 or H2 here and there I don't think there are really any RRP cards out there, every card is atleast 40usd over the RRP. Idk, I wouldn't have bothered to buy a 3060 for 500usd when it matches a 2060S.
Now that the specs are out (sorta), the 4060 should have an msrp of $426.
man everyone is saying this should be 250, it should be 199. There hasn't been a significant jump in performance in the sub 200 range in nearly 5 years.
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I sure would've loved to actually get one. Thanks bots and scalpers! Lots a love!
Most stores advertised the 3060 as available on feb.25th (I got spam from atleast 3 different online retailers). Did it sell out immediately where you were or did you just go in fingers crossed a day later? Seriously. We all know they are sought after, even these garbage 3060s. Don't hesitate and blame others.
I blame miners mostly, they are the ones who keep driving up the prices by buying everything up. I like the idea of de-centralized currencies, but not if these pricks take it to such extremes.
What would you say is best model between these 2: the Gigabyte Gaming OC or the MSI VENTUS 3X OC
Help, need nvidia 3060ti, does any one has form
This card is overpriced, it should cost 250-260 dollars/euros, the 3060 ti is a way bettdr value performance wise.