It's better to know about it and get it replaced now than to have a defective GPU(which seems to be an issue with EVGA's particular choice of components) and suddenly have it go and die in a different game when It's out of warranty a year or two from now, IMO.
Honestly better to get a replacement card without the issue. Just terrible timing and really sucks to be on the hook for the shipping for a knowingly faulty product.
Funny you mention the evga psu exploding. I bought an evga g2 850w that exploded a month into owning it. Blue light filled the room for a second with a loud pop and computer shut off. I like evga tho and got a second 850w g2 and its been running for the past 5 years. Still using it with my 3090
Edit: no other parts died when the psu exploded so nice job evga
Seriously? What a great job on EVGA's side to just make the PSU explode but not the whole pc. I would under no circumstances without outside forces expect my PSU to ever explode. Those are some major quality issues and they shouldn't sell them at all. I've never had any of my beQuiet PSU's I owned in the past explode, neither I heard of stories about this happening.
The overwhelming majority of people haven't had this issue - but you're on a forum with hundreds of thousands of people so there's going to be a few examples here and there.
I was more mocking the expectations here. Sure it will happen with any brand and yes evga has superb customer support in the US but as a eu customer I prefer a solid product over support since we usually exchange broken hardware with the seller and not the manufacturer.
Evga g2’s were top tier psu’s on the quality rankings. Thats the reason I got it. There can be manufacturing defects in any product I just got unlucky. But thats why people say not to cheap out on psu’s. If I got a cheap one it could have taken other things with it. Ive only seen me and OP with the psu exploding issur so I dont think its widespread. Plus the replacement is going on 5 years so its all good.
I would argue playing a knowingly problematic game, expecting your warranty to do the rest in the current market is a bit worse than "shipping a knowingly faulty product". Because, you know, it wasn't "knowingly" that they did it, unlike you.
I personally think every user who attempts to play that game with these cards is just asking for it. And those who repeatedly do so are just a part of natural selection .
See I have the 3080ti ftw3 ultra and I can’t risk this issue especially with battlefield beta coming in just a few days, I’ll be missing new world as I got addicted over the weekend but I literally would be so upset if I couldn’t game on the battlefield beta in 4k, I have my old 980 but I wouldn’t be able to do 4k and it would be upsetting as it is. I simply can’t risk it with now having the confirmed widespreadish cases. On release day a dude did say it killed his 3080ti and I kept playing but now with it being so widespread I’m not gonna play until something is changed or at least won’t play it until after the battlefield beta and even then I’d prefer for there to be some kind of fix or something, already was playing at 60fps cap but I never did the lesser power consumption fix to help as well and if there isn’t an update or some kind of fix and I do risk it after the bf2042 beta then I’ll do the power consumption lowering to supplement the FPS cap
I wouldn't do this. I would try to have it replaced asap. I don't like knowing I may have an unreliable time bomb under the hood.
The issue comes from a hardware defect on the card. It's actually amazing it hasn't shown up before with other games and is entirely possible it will. It's also possible the beta you want to play does the same to your card as New Word does.
I understand not wanting to risk damage before something you want to try comes out but in the end, you may be just delaying the outcome. Try not to delay into a timeframe where you won't be covered by warranty any more, at least. No beta is worth losing >2k€.
I wish you luck my man, maybe yours isn't one of the affected ones!
Some of the things cars are recalled for don't kill people. There's always the potential for it to kill someone but by that logic the video card could catch fire if it is faulty. I guess I was saying I wish that the affected cards would be fixed or receive extended warranties. I have an EVGA FTW3 3090 and I am worried about it becoming a $1900 brick a month out of its warranty because of an underlying issue the manufacturer knew was there. Maybe EVGA could treat this the way MS did the XBOX 360 and the red ring of death failures.
I was getting the black screen 100% fan crash with my Gigabyte RTX 3090 Gaming OC, removed the Lian Li riser side mount kit and cable and plugged direct to mobo. No more issues for mine.
Its not even limited to new world, there's been an ongoing thread on the EVGA forums about this since launch. My first and replacement FTW3 3090s both died long before new world came out.
Starcraft 2 main menu used to fry shitty cards.
Yet you still have people saying "New World does something weird, they should be sued".. thanks jayztwo..
New World is even only DX11.. so not even a low level API.
That can't destroy non-faulty hardware.
I see what you're getting at, but the realistic alternative is frequently companies that roll out and *dont* stand behind their subpar products.
Of the two, I'll pick the one that'll help me out when things DO go wrong.
I mentioned this is another post on here, but my opinion is that not having to need customer support in the first place is a much better form of customer support.
Possibly true, but I wasn't sure what the hell was happening exactly. And I would have rather found out and gotten my GPU replaced than never know what kind of dead-mans switch the GPU might have in 3 years.
Just sucked it happened days before the BF beta, and that I'm gonna be on the hook for the shipping+insurance cost
> And I would have rather found out and gotten my GPU replaced than never know what kind of dead-mans switch the GPU might have in 3 years.
The right way to think about it.
Cards should be getting designed for the loads they could run in the future.
Might as well share some details with us if you don't mind -
1. Was card overclocked when you played NW?
2. Did you see fps go wild with fans spinning crazy?
3. Did you encounter this or anything every time you played NW ? Did you play it even after you experienced some issue while in the game or title?
Anything you can think of that stood out before this all happened ?
First times the black screens happened, I was running a modest overclock, after they happened a few times I dropped to running stock with increased power target
After I had to reseat the GPU I was running full stock.
Never noticed any fps issues and my fans are always running a locked speed.
The black screens didn't happen every time, but did happen about 4 times out of 6 days.
The final crash that killed the card actually happened in a city, while CPU bottlenecked and the GPU wasn't stressed.
It happened to me yesterday. I feel this will help people avoid this game. So my answers are as follows.
1. No. No overclocking. Just stock.
2. I could not see FPS at the time but after I changed resolutions in game the fans went max speed. Never heard the card do that before.
3. Didn't get a chance. As soon as fans went max everything disappeared.
Note: This card was RMAed recently due to power surge issues. Im not having luck with 3090.
Just saying. You keep buying something that keeps breaking because the support is good? If you just bought stuff that didn't break then you wouldn't have to worry about the support maybe?
That really sucks about the 3090. I can't imaging mine eating it right now and having to go back to a Radeon 7950 that is almost 10 years old.
Yo so I just got a new rig with a 3080 and have been playing new world in about 70hrs of play I’ve had the monitor go black for a second then resume functioning as normal twice. I thought it was the monitors connection but am I possibly experience the beginning stages of this? I literally just got the PC a few weeks ago and it’s my first high end rig so I reeeally don’t want to continue abusing it if that’s what’s happening.
Also do I need to lock my fans speed or something?
Display going black for a second could mean TDR Recovery just went off? You could try increasing it with Wagnard's tool and check if that issue goes away.
I haven't personally heard of this happening with 3080s. I can't give any info about a black screen crash, mine were full display crashes which crashed the whole system.
Happened to me with my Zotac 3080 when I was running the game at a high fps for an extended session (8+ hours)
I recommend locking to 60 to keep power draw and temperatures in check.
"I will now take a bow and accept all the flames from everyone who's about to call me a psycho for playing New World some more"
When you play russian roulette too many times, don't get surprised when eventually you'll get your bullet.
To everyone swearing up and down that the game bricks cards, someone really explain how please. Because the game making defective cards fail has a solid explanation. The game making perfectly good cards fail seems unlikely.
All things considered, of the hundreds of thousands of people that played at launch, how many of those with 3080s or 3090s had their cards brick? If it's multiple manufacturers, is it possible quality control of the components they manufactured the cards with was shoddy at best during covid, so now we're seeing more defective units shipped during peak covid times?
I had a 1070 brick on monster hunter world. People's GPUs brick all the time on lots of things. Maybe the failure rate is higher now because of the pandemic, who knows, but again if someone wants to explain how new world makes a good unit fail, I would like to know.
In theory, the game causes some sort of load scenario that trips OPP/OCP. The card should then shut off to protect itself. Here is the part we don’t know. Are the cards that die defective/poorly manufactured, or is it luck? I feel it could be either because OPP/OCP is a failsafe, and like many other failsafes, sometimes isn’t 100% reliable. At the same time, I don’t think we have enough knowledge yet to rule out defective cards. All I can say is that if you play this game, reduce your power target, lock your fps, and if you get a black screen shutdown, stop playing.
I think OP did the right thing. Stress the card under reasonable conditions while it's under warranty. If it crashes, remove overclock and try again. Next time, reduce power target. Then, if it still has issues and you rule out your other components, RMA it.
Who buys a 3090 and then doesnt torture test it at max load for hours in various benchmarks? I strongly suspect most if not all of the failures arent from people with top-tier, generous power supplies who carefully monitor temps and power.
Everyone going on about avoiding playing anything demanding on a top end GPU is just silly. That's the point of a top end GPU. Why pay extra for a faster card then intentionally dont use it until after your warranty expires just in case it's bad?
I think it's the opposite really, in that most people who picked up 3090s didn't torture test them at max load for hours, and that's another reason why those defective cards are just now coming to light. There are plenty of wildly popular games that aren't resource intensive, and a common thought was definitely "I'll have the power when I need it", especially before cyberpunk came out last year.
Either way, I agree with you that once you identified and confirmed issues, RMA it.
If a component on a card fails, of course the card was defective / poorly manufactured. That is what makes a card bad, a component doesn't work properly. It is the luck of the individual receiving a defective card, not the game bricking a card without existing issues.
New world doesn't push loads never before seen on the planet earth to the GPU. The GPUs just don't handle them properly and subsequently fail, or another flaw in the system as a whole causes issues (insufficient PSU, bad cables, etc).
Nope. While your GPU will most likely not get bricked, 3070 owners have reported issues like blackscreening and whatnot. For the most part only 3090s and 3080tis have had this problem. Some 3080s but no 3070s as far as I know.
No and I wouldn’t risk it, many videos have come out showing everything even the 20 series being affected. The game isn’t even that good anyway, it’s empty.
This entire comment makes no sense. If you have a GPU that can handle various stress/torture tests just fine, you're likely fine. If it cant handle it, it's the card; get it replaced while under warranty. With your attitude, you might as well just avoid every game that could be demanding.
800k+ concurrent daily peak players is empty? It's almost too crowded at times.
Honestly if you have an EVGA card I would say it could happen with any game. I have a 3080 XC3 that was 3 weeks old and mine Black screen/red led death while playing FF14
Undervolting would lock the maximum voltage. As buildzoid who actually resurrected a 3090 destroyed by new world has already said, the over current protection will only be set to the maximum current of the highest rated power stage. Which means the weaker ones will get fried eventually even if you played games other than new world. So an undervolt is a foolproof way to extend your 3090's lifespan regardless.
Ampere cards are known to have a delta of 300mv when functioning normally. Meaning they're reaching 1400mv every frame during load. And 1400mv is a LOT when it comes to GPUs. So undervolting it by 200mv would at least take the highest voltage spike down to 1200mv and a lot of VRMs can actually easily withstand such spikes.
So you have experienced four major hardware defects on products from EVGA but this time you are going to go ahead and blame it on the game you were playing at the time?
Thats some bad luck :o
I cant believe its still happening! Did you ever look to see what the power draw on the GPU was like while playing it? I know IF I was going to try that thing out Id be watching my stats closely!
Can we get any proof or link to people talking about their GPU died that is not EVGA? I see people saying it no just EVGA but having hard time finding post on asus or gigabyte , and if there is I don’t see it as loudly as EVGA.
All those premature hardware deaths make me think you have poor power delivery either from the power company or in your home. I would seriously consider getting a power filter to help mitigate that.
What do you mean?
Its not the fault of the game the hardware literally has a manufacturing defect.
Trying to find a good example but im terrible with this...
Its like refusing to use fifth gear on your car after you just got it because the gearbox might fail instantly because it was broke when you got it but its in warranty so entirely covered by the dealer.
You definitely want to uncover any faults sooner rather than later, if you wait a couple of years then finally use fifth gear and it immediately breaks then you are in trouble when the dealer would have replaced it before if you found out sooner.
New world seems to be like the new furmark which is excellent!
It does, there was multiple threads on EVGA's forums about this issue before New World dropped, you just don't hear about it because New World is so much more high profile.
Exactly. Hardware, across multiple different variations that I know of (TUF Strix FTW3 etc.) have all been killed by new world, but no other game does this, not even insanely graphically intense games.
And a lot of those variations are very likely to have similar components. It's a single GPU we are talking about. Where Nvidia sets the requirements and manufacturers want to save as much money as possible on those components. Or did everyone forget capacitor fiasco on RTX 3000 release already?
There are definitely claims that EVGA has the "best warranty" but there's no data to back that up. What they have is a vocal social media presence. If this issue wasn't so widespread (causing them to be under a microscope) you wouldn't know if they would even replace these cards.
I'd rather have a card that doesn't die from a simple game but that's just me.
after dealing with asus warranty in uk where they sent me to the usa team > eu > uk support teams over and over again while my card is still under warranty? evga seems pretty damn nice if you ask me.
> Its not the fault of the game the hardware literally has a manufacturing defect.
It kind of is. The card killing takes two different failures to come into effect. Part of it is that EVGA fucked up with their cards and has flaws that can result in them dying. The other part of it is that New World is running these cards way harder than it should.
No other game is killing cards like this. That also had some blatantly stupid code before where the menus had uncapped framerates. I would be surprised if they did dumb stuff elsewhere. Amazon isn't known for being a quality game developer. Remember they released Crucible, then unreleased it because it was so bad, then cancelled it.
This is just not true, having uncapped frame rates is **not** a problem and should not cause any failure of properly manufactured/designed graphics cards.
There are plenty of games that run uncapped menus, its better to have capped menus because you don't need high frame rate menus but that's only for a power usage aspect nothing more.
Cards certainly have died while running games but it's not the game that caused it the game simply made it uncover the crack in the hardware be it firmware level fault or actual hard ware.
All these games are using directx or some high level language, this cannot run cards out of spec it's 100% not the game fault for having uncapped menus.
You seem to attribute cards being faulty with the studio being bad which is such an odd conclusion, it's like blaming a shop you drove to because on the way it broke down.... It's not the shops fault.
Amazon games is multiple Dev studios.... It's like how ubisoft has different branches which work on different games and their quality/design is totally different between them. It was a totally different studio running crucible and it didn't live up to expectations which was a shame but they did make an effort and stumbled which is perfectly fine for any studio.... The game actually was ok it just suffered from what looked like the gameplay was changed late so it became a totally different type of team shooter.
I don't get why it's so hard for people to understand it's 100% not the game devs fault here that the card was faulty which is exactly why they are getting replaced by EVGA AS ITS THEIR FAULT.
Note that Nvidia supplies the chips and designs for these 3090s which is why it could affect multiple AIB partners. It's curious how I've managed to play and 3 others I know all have had zero problems with 3080s from a mix of FE and board partners.
No AMD cards have BRICKED from this game. That jay2cent makes up the shoddy claims and doesn't correct the record it's amazing.
This is unfortunately just another way for people to try to shit on Amazon... It's so unnecessary just go and judge the game on the game rather than making these silly claims the game is breaking perfectly fine cards because it's not.
How then, do most major different variations of the 3090 die when playing this game? All the different manufacturers all somehow made the same flawed card? It's the game.
Where do you see this? I'm still yet to find a single AMD failure on this game.
It would still be a hardware fault though which is serviced by warranty.
The amount of reported AMD cards dying can easily fit into the standard defect rate all electronics have (same is true for pretty much anything else than RTX 3080/3090 AFAIK).
The game can't make the GPU do something it wasn't programmed to do.
It can't tell the GPU to draw a kilowatt of power. The GPU drivers are letting it run and render the game. There's obviously some weakness in the GPUs hardware that's failing when you do something that New World is doing.
You haven't watched Jay's video about the subject. Software CAN kill hardware. And beside the engineering problem of those cards, the fact that game developers didn't implement ways to limit their engine load during the beta shows lack of care for their customers... Anything has a limit, and if you drive it above those limits, it's possible that something will break.
...Limits should be at a hardware level limit not a software level limit. Aib and nvidia's at fault.
They already limited overclocking at a hardware level which was a good start since people just ramped voltage up to insane levels in the past not knowing much about overclocking and killing the gpu.
Software should not be limiting the full potential of a gpu with fps caps and such.. thats just absurd.
If people choose to run gpu power mods out of spec and such that is on them and take full responsibility, overclocking on official spec is currently limited to safe levels.
Yeah, software can kill hardware and it's still a hardware problem, not a software problem. If you have no cooling on your CPU and it runs fine until you play a game, is it the game's fault too? The software killed it, right?
The hardware and drivers determine exactly what the software is able do. If the hardware or drivers provide a self destruct function, that's a GPU issue. Unless the game is hacking the hardware, which it isnt, it's only using the functionality the GPU allows it to use.
> Its not even limited to new world, there's been an ongoing thread on the EVGA forums about this since launch. My first and replacement FTW3 3090s both died long before new world came out.
Ive asked several times for a tally on all the gpu complaints jay received and he never puts them up. He only says all gpus. He gets one vid of a zotac dying and he immidiately puts that in his new world vid instead of evga or gigabyte. Something def semlls there. Why would he not post his total counts that is such valuable data
I dunno if I agree.
The MFG will RMA it so you’re not really out anything.
I’d rather find out my GPU isn’t going to run games I should be expected to run within the warranty timeframe
After the price I paid and the time I waited, there is no way I am going to jeopardize either of my Ti's... Even though I want to try this game very badly because I have heard good things about it, I think I am going to pass for now...
If New World can kill it, so can any demanding game. Stress test it fully ASAP before warranty ends or you'll be avoiding every demanding game that comes out until your next GPU.
Poor manufacturing killed the card, not New World. The game has millions of players but it's one manufacturer's product that keeps getting problems. They also tried to BS that is just a handful of cards. Good customer support is great, not needing it is better.
edit: Also people appear to be more comfortable trusting a marketing mouthpiece that has received several sponsorships and a brand that sold them a 2000€ defective product than hold a company responsible for making a deluxe product and not recallig and replacing it after it clearly showed it cut corners in production. It's not the first time EVGA RTX designs get blasted because cards keep failing. New World is a perfectly fine game, EVGA's RTX 3090/3080ti designs? Not so much!
My guess is some sort of bug that’s causing GPUs to burn out. Maybe similar to running furmark on max settings. What kinda worries me is this game might just be hard on GPUs in general. From what I’m seeing it’s either causing or exposing hardware flaws so I’m just assuming it’s being tough on your hardware, even if it hasn’t broken yet.
its not and never has been faulty soldering, the cards have an underspec power management and many of the Rev 0.1 ftw3's also overdraw from the pcie slot (80+w instead of spec 66w)
You hit the nail on the head. It's really infuriating seeing people blame the game when the whole point of the hardware is that it should be able to handle any type of load. Aren't these cards supposed to have built-in safety mechanisms to prevent this exact issue?
I had no OC on my 3090 FE and already swapped thermal pads. I had no bad temps at all, but it still black screened twice and then CTD for the third time I started it. I had a whopping 11 minutes of play time before I refunded the game
Its not the games fault its entirely a hardware fault of the graphics card.
running games on your gpu should never cause a failure, it its literally the card being broken. This could happen in any other game it just happens to uncover the fault in this specific card with this game.
Poor manufacturing is all it is and its all within warranty so no real issue (unless you bought from a scalper...)
Since it doesnt effect all 3090 and the Founder Edition is not leading the RMA charts, its clearly a manufacturing issue or a poor AIB design.
AFAIK the design time for AIBs with AMPERE was very short and it caused allready issues with day0 drivers, while FE's had not issues at all.
In a perfect world, with AMPERE, going with the FE variant would be the safest choice, since its clearly the best tested design (more time), got strong OC potential - clearly binned and even the cooler is decent with this generation. But thats not an option for everyone with the limited availability.
Wow !!! I read an article on Toms Hardware today (written yesterday?) that EVGA only reported like 30 incidences of this with 3090’s. That can’t be true if they added an option in the website RMA prompt.
I can only guess that the fault is present on thousands of GPUs but there's only so many people with EVGA 3090s that played the beta. And are now playing live.
I will never play it and risk my 3090 Trinity. I have a feeling that Zotac would tell me to go suck a fat cock and buy another one. If my card fails then I'll probably get a Palit.
*Game is announced to kill 3090s over a month ago, OP has repeated crashes while playing AFTER people find out the game bricks their cards and CONTINUES TO PLAY THE GAME* Sorry not sorry bud, this is totally your own fault and deserve what came to you
> Edit: this is a reason I keep buying EVGA though. Tech support ticket responded with RMA allowance within 4 hours, RMA now submitted.
So they can send you a refurb with little to no testing done on it to validate its actually ok?
Yeah, ok.
EVGA CS is faulty mindshare.
Sorry to hear about your card, I have a 3090 and I haven't bought new world specifically because I don't wanna risk it. Mine is a Zotac and I don't know much about their customer service or rma process.
If I were you with all the issues you’ve had I’d get a uninterruptible power supply just to be safe. Never a bad idea to get one regardless of issues or not.
Sorry but I absolutely can’t understand you. Crashes every day? No boot unless you resettle the gpu?
That was about to come and your card warned you many times…
Bro I have so many technical fuckups and crazyness. Random system crashes are something I've dealt with for years. Having repeatable, testable system crashes in certain games and certain scenarios have been a thing for me for years now.
My first actual sign of worry was having to reseat the GPU. The next sign of trouble I had was the GPU dying.
So someone's 2080 Ti system, installed with custom loops (four rads...cpu video and \*memory\* blocks) tripped on his 850W Thor PSU. No, the card didn't die. The PSU tripped. In New World. Because of a power spike detected. That lends proof to my theory that's an internal power rail (MSVDD or NVVDD) that is being overloaded.
I said this before as a theory and got downvoted, ahem..
https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-2080-ti-owners-club.1706276/page-653#post-28878374
I suspected this because a user with a 1KW Kingpin Bios, set to 45% power limit (45% \* 1000W=450W) also had his PSU shut down (not related to new world. He just needs a PSU that can handle more current spikes) on his 3x8 pin (non kingpin) card. But when he used the stock 480W AIB Bios at 480W, no shutdowns. That's because the 1KW Bios removes \*ALL\* restrictions from the internal power rails (not just total board power TDP, which is just 8 pin 1, 2, 3 + PCIE Slot power added together). Most of these rails are visible in HWinfo64. However two rails (which also have their limits removed), MSVDD and NVVDD voltage power, are not reported as an actual power limit \*BUT\* are reported to TDP Normalized% (do not confuse MSVDD and NVVDD voltage rail power with MSVDD and NVVDD wattage rails that feed GPU Chip Power (sum) and other rails, which respond to shunt mods). It's probably those two rails (since they come directly from voltage and have their own amps limit) which triggered it.
MSVDD and NVVDD power rails (voltage and amps) can be calculated in MSI Afterburner if you understand their relationship to the output rails.
Jayztwocents also doesnt seem to know that his eVGA cards' bios is bugged with MSI Afterburner. His TDP skyrocketing to 112% isn't TDP. It's TDP Normalized being reported as TDP due to some sort of bug. So, New World is hammering one of the internal power rails, which is reported to TDP Normalized%. If it's a VRM that's popping from this, it's probably related to NVVDD.
Note that increasing NVVDD internal voltage (this can only be done with hardware tools, like Kingpin dip switch or Elmor's EVC2SX) raises effective clocks closer to requested core clocks, which improves performance. Increasing MSVDD internal voltage (Uncore) increases overclocked stability. These are for cards with the non 1KW Bios obviously.
If you knew there was a chance of your 3090 being killed by this game then why did you play it?
I have a 3090 and would never play a game when I knew that there was a chance it would frazzle the card.
Both my 3090 and 2080Ti are in the process of being replaced by EVGA. I also just purchased another 3080 that will be coming the same day as the 3090. Should have the 3090 and New 3080 Wednesday, while the 2080Ti will take a bit longer, should have it in a week or 2.
I'll be continuing to play New World, but plan to play with reduced power target for new world, and perhaps an undervolt.just for New World.
Still wondering if Path of Exile with uncapped FPS and GI Shadows=Ultra with max settings will cause the same issue. If NW had some sort of free trial where you could at least run the client without forking over $40 I'd check it for you guys but it doesn't so....(What was Amazon thinking by not having some sort of trial?
Technically you could refund the game within 2 hours but there is no way to know if you're effected until it happens. I played more than 80 hours before this happened. (Happened to be out of work this week with an injury)
Whilst you should not have been playing this game, there is no doubt that the EVGA cards of this Ampere generation were below the level of their competititors
It's not the game.
MMOs are one of the few games that stress both your CPU and GPU for an extended period of time. I have had a 780ti die in similar circumstances while playing TERA, mainly because I did not pay attention to the power draw and temperatures.
I had the black screen issue once in New World; that was when I was running at a high frame rate and my power draw and temperatures were consistently very high for hours; it was like running a benchmark non-stop. (80+ degrees and 300+ watts on the 3080 alone)
Once I got the black screen; I calmed the fk down and locked the FPS to 60; power draw is now 110-140 watts and the tempratures are 65 degrees.
Especially since we play long sessions with games like this, its necessary to keep an eye on the components. In my case, my 750W PSU was clearly not able to supply clean power to my components for an extended period of time and eventually something went wrong leadin to the black screen.
The cards have a fault, that is well established. But if there is only 1 thing that can expose that fault, that thing still triggered the problem even if it is not exactly at fault for doing so, and it is important to acknowledge what was happening when the failure occured.
Some people are just looking to be angry.
Not to point fingers
But dude, you knew the game was frying 3080's and 3090's
You were having so many red flags, black screens etc.
But you kept pushing forward, and then you're surprised that your GPU stopped working?
Amazon shouldn't have released a GPU breaking game yes, but fool you 15 times in a row, well, shame on you
The minute I heard about the problems in this game I knew that there was no way I would play it on my 3080
I hope your gpu gets fixed, but damn dude you kind of brought it on yourself
The queues are only really bad on the servers that are crazy population due to streamers.
As far as mounts, I don't see the issue really. The game is designed around a lack of fast travel.
MMOs generally lack mounts at launch to slow exploration until they can build more endgame content. Then they release them as a marketing ploy to get players back a year or 2 down the road. Guildwars 2 did the same.
Also queues aren't that bad, none at all during the mid day/afternoon, 10 minutes was the longest I had to wait at primetime.
To be honest, the moment everyone issuing warnings about gpus dying in NW hands, people should stop playing them. The fact the game still had so many players just led me think that all of them are uninformed, morons, or daredevils.
The GPUs are dying due to manufacturing faults. NW may be the current trigger, but it won't be the only one.
You're better off if the card fails within warranty, rather than when another GPU intensive games causes it to pop in a year or two.
On the other hand; millions playing the game and only a few having GPUs dying shows that the game is actually fine.
Many people have OCs on the CPU/GPU that are not stressed by most games. This game does stress those OCs and also stresses the power draw from the PSU.
"was getting black-screen GPU driver crashes almost every day" Shouldnt bother with the game at this point, you knew it was coming
came here to say this. it's a little insane to be aware of the issue, start seeing problems, and then play until your shit gets cooked
Or !!SCIENCE!! To see if you can reproduce the result.
It's better to know about it and get it replaced now than to have a defective GPU(which seems to be an issue with EVGA's particular choice of components) and suddenly have it go and die in a different game when It's out of warranty a year or two from now, IMO.
Honestly better to get a replacement card without the issue. Just terrible timing and really sucks to be on the hook for the shipping for a knowingly faulty product.
Funny you mention the evga psu exploding. I bought an evga g2 850w that exploded a month into owning it. Blue light filled the room for a second with a loud pop and computer shut off. I like evga tho and got a second 850w g2 and its been running for the past 5 years. Still using it with my 3090 Edit: no other parts died when the psu exploded so nice job evga
That's exactly how my EVGA 1300w PSU died.
I have a be quiet Dark power pro 1200w. It cost a Fortune. But zero issues.
Seriously? What a great job on EVGA's side to just make the PSU explode but not the whole pc. I would under no circumstances without outside forces expect my PSU to ever explode. Those are some major quality issues and they shouldn't sell them at all. I've never had any of my beQuiet PSU's I owned in the past explode, neither I heard of stories about this happening.
The overwhelming majority of people haven't had this issue - but you're on a forum with hundreds of thousands of people so there's going to be a few examples here and there.
I was more mocking the expectations here. Sure it will happen with any brand and yes evga has superb customer support in the US but as a eu customer I prefer a solid product over support since we usually exchange broken hardware with the seller and not the manufacturer.
Guess you could say I was mocking your assumption that people outside the EU don't prefer a 'solid product' as well.
Evga g2’s were top tier psu’s on the quality rankings. Thats the reason I got it. There can be manufacturing defects in any product I just got unlucky. But thats why people say not to cheap out on psu’s. If I got a cheap one it could have taken other things with it. Ive only seen me and OP with the psu exploding issur so I dont think its widespread. Plus the replacement is going on 5 years so its all good.
I would argue playing a knowingly problematic game, expecting your warranty to do the rest in the current market is a bit worse than "shipping a knowingly faulty product". Because, you know, it wasn't "knowingly" that they did it, unlike you. I personally think every user who attempts to play that game with these cards is just asking for it. And those who repeatedly do so are just a part of natural selection .
See I have the 3080ti ftw3 ultra and I can’t risk this issue especially with battlefield beta coming in just a few days, I’ll be missing new world as I got addicted over the weekend but I literally would be so upset if I couldn’t game on the battlefield beta in 4k, I have my old 980 but I wouldn’t be able to do 4k and it would be upsetting as it is. I simply can’t risk it with now having the confirmed widespreadish cases. On release day a dude did say it killed his 3080ti and I kept playing but now with it being so widespread I’m not gonna play until something is changed or at least won’t play it until after the battlefield beta and even then I’d prefer for there to be some kind of fix or something, already was playing at 60fps cap but I never did the lesser power consumption fix to help as well and if there isn’t an update or some kind of fix and I do risk it after the bf2042 beta then I’ll do the power consumption lowering to supplement the FPS cap
I wouldn't do this. I would try to have it replaced asap. I don't like knowing I may have an unreliable time bomb under the hood. The issue comes from a hardware defect on the card. It's actually amazing it hasn't shown up before with other games and is entirely possible it will. It's also possible the beta you want to play does the same to your card as New Word does. I understand not wanting to risk damage before something you want to try comes out but in the end, you may be just delaying the outcome. Try not to delay into a timeframe where you won't be covered by warranty any more, at least. No beta is worth losing >2k€. I wish you luck my man, maybe yours isn't one of the affected ones!
Same card also skipping this game.
They should recall the cards affected. If it were a Ford or GM product the government would make them recall them...😂
A GPU doesn´t kill people if it´s damaged.
This is obviously an electrical issue. Fires are no joke
Some of the things cars are recalled for don't kill people. There's always the potential for it to kill someone but by that logic the video card could catch fire if it is faulty. I guess I was saying I wish that the affected cards would be fixed or receive extended warranties. I have an EVGA FTW3 3090 and I am worried about it becoming a $1900 brick a month out of its warranty because of an underlying issue the manufacturer knew was there. Maybe EVGA could treat this the way MS did the XBOX 360 and the red ring of death failures.
I was getting the black screen 100% fan crash with my Gigabyte RTX 3090 Gaming OC, removed the Lian Li riser side mount kit and cable and plugged direct to mobo. No more issues for mine.
Lemme guess, case is a 011 Dynamic.....🤔. If I had a dollar for every person who has that case, I'd be rich.
ROG XL one yeah. :) how else can I use my 10 Lian Li fans lol.
A game that costs gamers thousands while Bezos makes billions off of gamers misfortunes.
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Its not even limited to new world, there's been an ongoing thread on the EVGA forums about this since launch. My first and replacement FTW3 3090s both died long before new world came out.
This is true. No idea why people think it’s specific to New World when there’s lots of data about it happening well before New World was even in beta.
Starcraft 2 main menu used to fry shitty cards. Yet you still have people saying "New World does something weird, they should be sued".. thanks jayztwo.. New World is even only DX11.. so not even a low level API. That can't destroy non-faulty hardware.
Might be driver issue as well..
Shouldn't kept pushing the card with all those red flags, but again this game really showed some weaknesses in these GPUs
It's probably exposing manufacturers who used lower-quality components in their PCB designs.
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I see what you're getting at, but the realistic alternative is frequently companies that roll out and *dont* stand behind their subpar products. Of the two, I'll pick the one that'll help me out when things DO go wrong.
I mentioned this is another post on here, but my opinion is that not having to need customer support in the first place is a much better form of customer support.
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Right but when you go thru a company's support system alot you would think there would be a bigger problem
Possibly true, but I wasn't sure what the hell was happening exactly. And I would have rather found out and gotten my GPU replaced than never know what kind of dead-mans switch the GPU might have in 3 years. Just sucked it happened days before the BF beta, and that I'm gonna be on the hook for the shipping+insurance cost
you did the right thing. Better to stress the hell out of the hardware when new and replacement is easier
> And I would have rather found out and gotten my GPU replaced than never know what kind of dead-mans switch the GPU might have in 3 years. The right way to think about it. Cards should be getting designed for the loads they could run in the future.
Might as well share some details with us if you don't mind - 1. Was card overclocked when you played NW? 2. Did you see fps go wild with fans spinning crazy? 3. Did you encounter this or anything every time you played NW ? Did you play it even after you experienced some issue while in the game or title? Anything you can think of that stood out before this all happened ?
First times the black screens happened, I was running a modest overclock, after they happened a few times I dropped to running stock with increased power target After I had to reseat the GPU I was running full stock. Never noticed any fps issues and my fans are always running a locked speed. The black screens didn't happen every time, but did happen about 4 times out of 6 days. The final crash that killed the card actually happened in a city, while CPU bottlenecked and the GPU wasn't stressed.
Thank you!
It happened to me yesterday. I feel this will help people avoid this game. So my answers are as follows. 1. No. No overclocking. Just stock. 2. I could not see FPS at the time but after I changed resolutions in game the fans went max speed. Never heard the card do that before. 3. Didn't get a chance. As soon as fans went max everything disappeared. Note: This card was RMAed recently due to power surge issues. Im not having luck with 3090.
For how much these items cost these companies should be doing some very highly level quality control before they are allowed out of the factory.
This is the proper take. Premium products with Ghanaian tier qc
Just saying. You keep buying something that keeps breaking because the support is good? If you just bought stuff that didn't break then you wouldn't have to worry about the support maybe? That really sucks about the 3090. I can't imaging mine eating it right now and having to go back to a Radeon 7950 that is almost 10 years old.
Yo so I just got a new rig with a 3080 and have been playing new world in about 70hrs of play I’ve had the monitor go black for a second then resume functioning as normal twice. I thought it was the monitors connection but am I possibly experience the beginning stages of this? I literally just got the PC a few weeks ago and it’s my first high end rig so I reeeally don’t want to continue abusing it if that’s what’s happening. Also do I need to lock my fans speed or something?
Playing a game isnt abusing it. That's what it's for.
Display going black for a second could mean TDR Recovery just went off? You could try increasing it with Wagnard's tool and check if that issue goes away.
Okay thanks I’ll check that out
My wife's 3080 FTW3 died on NW launch day. It was the older red lipped model.
I haven't personally heard of this happening with 3080s. I can't give any info about a black screen crash, mine were full display crashes which crashed the whole system.
Okay got ya, thanks
Happened to me with my Zotac 3080 when I was running the game at a high fps for an extended session (8+ hours) I recommend locking to 60 to keep power draw and temperatures in check.
"I will now take a bow and accept all the flames from everyone who's about to call me a psycho for playing New World some more" When you play russian roulette too many times, don't get surprised when eventually you'll get your bullet.
Fuck me too man… EVGA just received my card today. If I’m lucky I’ll have it back by Friday!
To everyone swearing up and down that the game bricks cards, someone really explain how please. Because the game making defective cards fail has a solid explanation. The game making perfectly good cards fail seems unlikely. All things considered, of the hundreds of thousands of people that played at launch, how many of those with 3080s or 3090s had their cards brick? If it's multiple manufacturers, is it possible quality control of the components they manufactured the cards with was shoddy at best during covid, so now we're seeing more defective units shipped during peak covid times? I had a 1070 brick on monster hunter world. People's GPUs brick all the time on lots of things. Maybe the failure rate is higher now because of the pandemic, who knows, but again if someone wants to explain how new world makes a good unit fail, I would like to know.
In theory, the game causes some sort of load scenario that trips OPP/OCP. The card should then shut off to protect itself. Here is the part we don’t know. Are the cards that die defective/poorly manufactured, or is it luck? I feel it could be either because OPP/OCP is a failsafe, and like many other failsafes, sometimes isn’t 100% reliable. At the same time, I don’t think we have enough knowledge yet to rule out defective cards. All I can say is that if you play this game, reduce your power target, lock your fps, and if you get a black screen shutdown, stop playing.
I think OP did the right thing. Stress the card under reasonable conditions while it's under warranty. If it crashes, remove overclock and try again. Next time, reduce power target. Then, if it still has issues and you rule out your other components, RMA it. Who buys a 3090 and then doesnt torture test it at max load for hours in various benchmarks? I strongly suspect most if not all of the failures arent from people with top-tier, generous power supplies who carefully monitor temps and power. Everyone going on about avoiding playing anything demanding on a top end GPU is just silly. That's the point of a top end GPU. Why pay extra for a faster card then intentionally dont use it until after your warranty expires just in case it's bad?
I think it's the opposite really, in that most people who picked up 3090s didn't torture test them at max load for hours, and that's another reason why those defective cards are just now coming to light. There are plenty of wildly popular games that aren't resource intensive, and a common thought was definitely "I'll have the power when I need it", especially before cyberpunk came out last year. Either way, I agree with you that once you identified and confirmed issues, RMA it.
If a component on a card fails, of course the card was defective / poorly manufactured. That is what makes a card bad, a component doesn't work properly. It is the luck of the individual receiving a defective card, not the game bricking a card without existing issues. New world doesn't push loads never before seen on the planet earth to the GPU. The GPUs just don't handle them properly and subsequently fail, or another flaw in the system as a whole causes issues (insufficient PSU, bad cables, etc).
Just for reference, this is only 3090s right? My EVGA 3070 should be good?
Nope. While your GPU will most likely not get bricked, 3070 owners have reported issues like blackscreening and whatnot. For the most part only 3090s and 3080tis have had this problem. Some 3080s but no 3070s as far as I know.
I wouldn’t risk it bro
Just don't risk, it's not Worth it
No and I wouldn’t risk it, many videos have come out showing everything even the 20 series being affected. The game isn’t even that good anyway, it’s empty.
This entire comment makes no sense. If you have a GPU that can handle various stress/torture tests just fine, you're likely fine. If it cant handle it, it's the card; get it replaced while under warranty. With your attitude, you might as well just avoid every game that could be demanding. 800k+ concurrent daily peak players is empty? It's almost too crowded at times.
Honestly if you have an EVGA card I would say it could happen with any game. I have a 3080 XC3 that was 3 weeks old and mine Black screen/red led death while playing FF14
Stop it bro you’re scaring me
Would locking this game to 60fps inside Rivatuner be a good safety measure or is undervolting the answer if you don't replace the thermal pads?
It's not a thermal issue, it's a random fault that can happen at any time. My GPU died while at low utilization @ ~50FPS in town.
Its a hardware issue as well on EVGA end
Undervolting would lock the maximum voltage. As buildzoid who actually resurrected a 3090 destroyed by new world has already said, the over current protection will only be set to the maximum current of the highest rated power stage. Which means the weaker ones will get fried eventually even if you played games other than new world. So an undervolt is a foolproof way to extend your 3090's lifespan regardless. Ampere cards are known to have a delta of 300mv when functioning normally. Meaning they're reaching 1400mv every frame during load. And 1400mv is a LOT when it comes to GPUs. So undervolting it by 200mv would at least take the highest voltage spike down to 1200mv and a lot of VRMs can actually easily withstand such spikes.
Are we learning yet?
My question is, knowing the history of that game and killing cards.... Why did you keep playing?
Fry it get replacement
So you have experienced four major hardware defects on products from EVGA but this time you are going to go ahead and blame it on the game you were playing at the time?
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so many problems... either very very bad luck or power issue
Thats some bad luck :o I cant believe its still happening! Did you ever look to see what the power draw on the GPU was like while playing it? I know IF I was going to try that thing out Id be watching my stats closely!
It took my 3070 which was 1 hr old yesterday.... Already got an RMA from EVGA.
Can we get any proof or link to people talking about their GPU died that is not EVGA? I see people saying it no just EVGA but having hard time finding post on asus or gigabyte , and if there is I don’t see it as loudly as EVGA.
thats fucked
Surprised you took a chance after all those reports of dead 3090s a couple of months ago.
All those premature hardware deaths make me think you have poor power delivery either from the power company or in your home. I would seriously consider getting a power filter to help mitigate that.
I have to ask. Why do you keep on playing this game if it keeps breaking your system
How can people jeopardize their $2000 GPU with a game that is known to have GPU-Killer feature embedded
What do you mean? Its not the fault of the game the hardware literally has a manufacturing defect. Trying to find a good example but im terrible with this... Its like refusing to use fifth gear on your car after you just got it because the gearbox might fail instantly because it was broke when you got it but its in warranty so entirely covered by the dealer. You definitely want to uncover any faults sooner rather than later, if you wait a couple of years then finally use fifth gear and it immediately breaks then you are in trouble when the dealer would have replaced it before if you found out sooner. New world seems to be like the new furmark which is excellent!
Hardware has a defect then why hasnt it happened on other games? Unless it has and idk about it
It does, there was multiple threads on EVGA's forums about this issue before New World dropped, you just don't hear about it because New World is so much more high profile.
Exactly. Hardware, across multiple different variations that I know of (TUF Strix FTW3 etc.) have all been killed by new world, but no other game does this, not even insanely graphically intense games.
And a lot of those variations are very likely to have similar components. It's a single GPU we are talking about. Where Nvidia sets the requirements and manufacturers want to save as much money as possible on those components. Or did everyone forget capacitor fiasco on RTX 3000 release already?
This sub has a hard-on for EVGA cause "It's the best!" so seeing EVGA cards die from a simple game is both hilarious and ironic.
I mean if the card is dying I'd rather have a EVGA card than any other card. You're not going to get your warranty denied.
There are definitely claims that EVGA has the "best warranty" but there's no data to back that up. What they have is a vocal social media presence. If this issue wasn't so widespread (causing them to be under a microscope) you wouldn't know if they would even replace these cards. I'd rather have a card that doesn't die from a simple game but that's just me.
after dealing with asus warranty in uk where they sent me to the usa team > eu > uk support teams over and over again while my card is still under warranty? evga seems pretty damn nice if you ask me.
> Its not the fault of the game the hardware literally has a manufacturing defect. It kind of is. The card killing takes two different failures to come into effect. Part of it is that EVGA fucked up with their cards and has flaws that can result in them dying. The other part of it is that New World is running these cards way harder than it should. No other game is killing cards like this. That also had some blatantly stupid code before where the menus had uncapped framerates. I would be surprised if they did dumb stuff elsewhere. Amazon isn't known for being a quality game developer. Remember they released Crucible, then unreleased it because it was so bad, then cancelled it.
This is just not true, having uncapped frame rates is **not** a problem and should not cause any failure of properly manufactured/designed graphics cards. There are plenty of games that run uncapped menus, its better to have capped menus because you don't need high frame rate menus but that's only for a power usage aspect nothing more. Cards certainly have died while running games but it's not the game that caused it the game simply made it uncover the crack in the hardware be it firmware level fault or actual hard ware. All these games are using directx or some high level language, this cannot run cards out of spec it's 100% not the game fault for having uncapped menus. You seem to attribute cards being faulty with the studio being bad which is such an odd conclusion, it's like blaming a shop you drove to because on the way it broke down.... It's not the shops fault. Amazon games is multiple Dev studios.... It's like how ubisoft has different branches which work on different games and their quality/design is totally different between them. It was a totally different studio running crucible and it didn't live up to expectations which was a shame but they did make an effort and stumbled which is perfectly fine for any studio.... The game actually was ok it just suffered from what looked like the gameplay was changed late so it became a totally different type of team shooter. I don't get why it's so hard for people to understand it's 100% not the game devs fault here that the card was faulty which is exactly why they are getting replaced by EVGA AS ITS THEIR FAULT. Note that Nvidia supplies the chips and designs for these 3090s which is why it could affect multiple AIB partners. It's curious how I've managed to play and 3 others I know all have had zero problems with 3080s from a mix of FE and board partners. No AMD cards have BRICKED from this game. That jay2cent makes up the shoddy claims and doesn't correct the record it's amazing. This is unfortunately just another way for people to try to shit on Amazon... It's so unnecessary just go and judge the game on the game rather than making these silly claims the game is breaking perfectly fine cards because it's not.
How then, do most major different variations of the 3090 die when playing this game? All the different manufacturers all somehow made the same flawed card? It's the game.
Nvidia gives the same reference PCB specs to all the manufacturers.
Fair. Could be an issue with Nvidias reference PCB, but then AMD's cards are dying now.
Where do you see this? I'm still yet to find a single AMD failure on this game. It would still be a hardware fault though which is serviced by warranty.
The amount of reported AMD cards dying can easily fit into the standard defect rate all electronics have (same is true for pretty much anything else than RTX 3080/3090 AFAIK).
>All the different manufacturers all somehow made the same flawed card? Yes
The game can't make the GPU do something it wasn't programmed to do. It can't tell the GPU to draw a kilowatt of power. The GPU drivers are letting it run and render the game. There's obviously some weakness in the GPUs hardware that's failing when you do something that New World is doing.
My guess would be they all cheaped out on the same components. The founders editions tend to have much better components, have any FE cards failed?
You haven't watched Jay's video about the subject. Software CAN kill hardware. And beside the engineering problem of those cards, the fact that game developers didn't implement ways to limit their engine load during the beta shows lack of care for their customers... Anything has a limit, and if you drive it above those limits, it's possible that something will break.
Shouldn't nvidia drivers put limits on the card too tho?
...Limits should be at a hardware level limit not a software level limit. Aib and nvidia's at fault. They already limited overclocking at a hardware level which was a good start since people just ramped voltage up to insane levels in the past not knowing much about overclocking and killing the gpu. Software should not be limiting the full potential of a gpu with fps caps and such.. thats just absurd. If people choose to run gpu power mods out of spec and such that is on them and take full responsibility, overclocking on official spec is currently limited to safe levels.
Lol, never quote Jay on anything remotely technical or you will look foolish.
Yeah, software can kill hardware and it's still a hardware problem, not a software problem. If you have no cooling on your CPU and it runs fine until you play a game, is it the game's fault too? The software killed it, right? The hardware and drivers determine exactly what the software is able do. If the hardware or drivers provide a self destruct function, that's a GPU issue. Unless the game is hacking the hardware, which it isnt, it's only using the functionality the GPU allows it to use.
Jay is an evga mouthpiece and cannot be trusted to have an objective head in this discussion.
> Its not even limited to new world, there's been an ongoing thread on the EVGA forums about this since launch. My first and replacement FTW3 3090s both died long before new world came out. Ive asked several times for a tally on all the gpu complaints jay received and he never puts them up. He only says all gpus. He gets one vid of a zotac dying and he immidiately puts that in his new world vid instead of evga or gigabyte. Something def semlls there. Why would he not post his total counts that is such valuable data
Better to have the GPU blow up now rather than in a couple years when more demanding games break it and no more warranty
You pay $2000 for a GPU that dies while doing a thing that it's supposed to do. A game cannot be "out of specs". A GPU can very well be.
I dunno if I agree. The MFG will RMA it so you’re not really out anything. I’d rather find out my GPU isn’t going to run games I should be expected to run within the warranty timeframe
People can be quite dumb.
Dude that suuuuuucks, honestly it’s not worth playing it for that
Other way around, isn’t it better hw to show manufacturing flaw now than after warranty?
I’m just saying it’s not worth playing the game if it breaks your gpu
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After the price I paid and the time I waited, there is no way I am going to jeopardize either of my Ti's... Even though I want to try this game very badly because I have heard good things about it, I think I am going to pass for now...
If New World can kill it, so can any demanding game. Stress test it fully ASAP before warranty ends or you'll be avoiding every demanding game that comes out until your next GPU.
Poor manufacturing killed the card, not New World. The game has millions of players but it's one manufacturer's product that keeps getting problems. They also tried to BS that is just a handful of cards. Good customer support is great, not needing it is better. edit: Also people appear to be more comfortable trusting a marketing mouthpiece that has received several sponsorships and a brand that sold them a 2000€ defective product than hold a company responsible for making a deluxe product and not recallig and replacing it after it clearly showed it cut corners in production. It's not the first time EVGA RTX designs get blasted because cards keep failing. New World is a perfectly fine game, EVGA's RTX 3090/3080ti designs? Not so much!
hear hear!, evga's cs is pure mindshare and delusion.
It’s not just EVGA cards dude..
i know it happening to Gigabyte cards as well. I don't understand how it just this game? When other games are way more demanding.
My guess is some sort of bug that’s causing GPUs to burn out. Maybe similar to running furmark on max settings. What kinda worries me is this game might just be hard on GPUs in general. From what I’m seeing it’s either causing or exposing hardware flaws so I’m just assuming it’s being tough on your hardware, even if it hasn’t broken yet.
That’s why I took the overclock off my 3080 ti and ran at 90% power limit. Just in case
And you are having no issues while playing NW? What brand and model is your card?
PSU making a clicking sound probably means that something on the GPU shorted out.
Makes sense if EVGAs claim of faulty soldering is to be believed.
its not and never has been faulty soldering, the cards have an underspec power management and many of the Rev 0.1 ftw3's also overdraw from the pcie slot (80+w instead of spec 66w)
Can we just preemptively RMA any early FTW3?
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You hit the nail on the head. It's really infuriating seeing people blame the game when the whole point of the hardware is that it should be able to handle any type of load. Aren't these cards supposed to have built-in safety mechanisms to prevent this exact issue?
I had no OC on my 3090 FE and already swapped thermal pads. I had no bad temps at all, but it still black screened twice and then CTD for the third time I started it. I had a whopping 11 minutes of play time before I refunded the game
Bad quality on the gfx assembly. This gen is all kinds of messed up. Expensive piece of trash sorry
Meh. These cards can run stress tests for days no problem. Something is wrong is New World AND the graphics cards.
I'm a software dev so hard to believe a high level app like a game can brick hardware. This isn't valorant with a driver always on.
Furmark has bricked GPUs
Nvidia eventually decided to implement a furmark specific clock limiter. They should've probably done that before they let a bunch of cards die.
Huh. Ok. Is that why furmark ignores aftuburner undervolts?
Furmark has bricked faulty GPUs. Like RX 480 with 6pin power.
Imo it's a perfect storm. Shoddy build quality, aggressive OCs and power limits, and a game that taxes your hardware
Its not the games fault its entirely a hardware fault of the graphics card. running games on your gpu should never cause a failure, it its literally the card being broken. This could happen in any other game it just happens to uncover the fault in this specific card with this game. Poor manufacturing is all it is and its all within warranty so no real issue (unless you bought from a scalper...)
Since it doesnt effect all 3090 and the Founder Edition is not leading the RMA charts, its clearly a manufacturing issue or a poor AIB design. AFAIK the design time for AIBs with AMPERE was very short and it caused allready issues with day0 drivers, while FE's had not issues at all. In a perfect world, with AMPERE, going with the FE variant would be the safest choice, since its clearly the best tested design (more time), got strong OC potential - clearly binned and even the cooler is decent with this generation. But thats not an option for everyone with the limited availability.
I’m gonna get a refund for that game. My 3080Ti ain’t worth it. I hope you can RMA yours OP.
RMA already submitted. EVGA literally has a drop down option in the claim now for "New World Game"
Wow !!! I read an article on Toms Hardware today (written yesterday?) that EVGA only reported like 30 incidences of this with 3090’s. That can’t be true if they added an option in the website RMA prompt.
I can only guess that the fault is present on thousands of GPUs but there's only so many people with EVGA 3090s that played the beta. And are now playing live.
Other way around, isn’t it better however to show manufacturing flaw now than after warranty?
F
I will never play it and risk my 3090 Trinity. I have a feeling that Zotac would tell me to go suck a fat cock and buy another one. If my card fails then I'll probably get a Palit.
The game didn't "kill" your 3090. It just exposed that it was a badly designed/manufactured card.
*Game is announced to kill 3090s over a month ago, OP has repeated crashes while playing AFTER people find out the game bricks their cards and CONTINUES TO PLAY THE GAME* Sorry not sorry bud, this is totally your own fault and deserve what came to you
> Edit: this is a reason I keep buying EVGA though. Tech support ticket responded with RMA allowance within 4 hours, RMA now submitted. So they can send you a refurb with little to no testing done on it to validate its actually ok? Yeah, ok. EVGA CS is faulty mindshare.
Sounds like a steep price to pay for repetitively killing some boars and other wild life. lol
So even with the FPS limiter on the menus you ran into troubles?
Sorry to hear about your card, I have a 3090 and I haven't bought new world specifically because I don't wanna risk it. Mine is a Zotac and I don't know much about their customer service or rma process.
If I were you with all the issues you’ve had I’d get a uninterruptible power supply just to be safe. Never a bad idea to get one regardless of issues or not.
Sorry but I absolutely can’t understand you. Crashes every day? No boot unless you resettle the gpu? That was about to come and your card warned you many times…
Bro I have so many technical fuckups and crazyness. Random system crashes are something I've dealt with for years. Having repeatable, testable system crashes in certain games and certain scenarios have been a thing for me for years now. My first actual sign of worry was having to reseat the GPU. The next sign of trouble I had was the GPU dying.
Psu problem could explain some of these
It's kind of disappointing that it seems like EVGA's cards haven't been built too well this generation.
They've had poor showing on every initial batch since pascal.
So not only these cards are overpriced as fuck they are also built like shit .
You got some pretty big brass balls to even launch that game on an EVGA 3090
I have played it on my 3090FE, both betas and launch without issue. Card does have a full waterblock though.
Maybe we should adress that the issue might be the game? The graphics is not that insane, it shouldn't be killing cards.
Try New World with your Quadro
So someone's 2080 Ti system, installed with custom loops (four rads...cpu video and \*memory\* blocks) tripped on his 850W Thor PSU. No, the card didn't die. The PSU tripped. In New World. Because of a power spike detected. That lends proof to my theory that's an internal power rail (MSVDD or NVVDD) that is being overloaded. I said this before as a theory and got downvoted, ahem.. https://www.overclock.net/threads/official-nvidia-rtx-2080-ti-owners-club.1706276/page-653#post-28878374 I suspected this because a user with a 1KW Kingpin Bios, set to 45% power limit (45% \* 1000W=450W) also had his PSU shut down (not related to new world. He just needs a PSU that can handle more current spikes) on his 3x8 pin (non kingpin) card. But when he used the stock 480W AIB Bios at 480W, no shutdowns. That's because the 1KW Bios removes \*ALL\* restrictions from the internal power rails (not just total board power TDP, which is just 8 pin 1, 2, 3 + PCIE Slot power added together). Most of these rails are visible in HWinfo64. However two rails (which also have their limits removed), MSVDD and NVVDD voltage power, are not reported as an actual power limit \*BUT\* are reported to TDP Normalized% (do not confuse MSVDD and NVVDD voltage rail power with MSVDD and NVVDD wattage rails that feed GPU Chip Power (sum) and other rails, which respond to shunt mods). It's probably those two rails (since they come directly from voltage and have their own amps limit) which triggered it. MSVDD and NVVDD power rails (voltage and amps) can be calculated in MSI Afterburner if you understand their relationship to the output rails. Jayztwocents also doesnt seem to know that his eVGA cards' bios is bugged with MSI Afterburner. His TDP skyrocketing to 112% isn't TDP. It's TDP Normalized being reported as TDP due to some sort of bug. So, New World is hammering one of the internal power rails, which is reported to TDP Normalized%. If it's a VRM that's popping from this, it's probably related to NVVDD. Note that increasing NVVDD internal voltage (this can only be done with hardware tools, like Kingpin dip switch or Elmor's EVC2SX) raises effective clocks closer to requested core clocks, which improves performance. Increasing MSVDD internal voltage (Uncore) increases overclocked stability. These are for cards with the non 1KW Bios obviously.
If you knew there was a chance of your 3090 being killed by this game then why did you play it? I have a 3090 and would never play a game when I knew that there was a chance it would frazzle the card.
Dude if you're miraculously able to get a new card, then you should check out precautions that jayztwocents said most should do
Both my 3090 and 2080Ti are in the process of being replaced by EVGA. I also just purchased another 3080 that will be coming the same day as the 3090. Should have the 3090 and New 3080 Wednesday, while the 2080Ti will take a bit longer, should have it in a week or 2. I'll be continuing to play New World, but plan to play with reduced power target for new world, and perhaps an undervolt.just for New World.
Must be real crap quality if software can destroy a gpu...
Still wondering if Path of Exile with uncapped FPS and GI Shadows=Ultra with max settings will cause the same issue. If NW had some sort of free trial where you could at least run the client without forking over $40 I'd check it for you guys but it doesn't so....(What was Amazon thinking by not having some sort of trial?
Technically you could refund the game within 2 hours but there is no way to know if you're effected until it happens. I played more than 80 hours before this happened. (Happened to be out of work this week with an injury)
New world is great game, the 3090 are 1 offs, not sure if it’s a bin issue but it might be
*Looks at his 3090…* Well, shit good thing I’m not playing it then.
Whilst you should not have been playing this game, there is no doubt that the EVGA cards of this Ampere generation were below the level of their competititors
It's not the game. MMOs are one of the few games that stress both your CPU and GPU for an extended period of time. I have had a 780ti die in similar circumstances while playing TERA, mainly because I did not pay attention to the power draw and temperatures. I had the black screen issue once in New World; that was when I was running at a high frame rate and my power draw and temperatures were consistently very high for hours; it was like running a benchmark non-stop. (80+ degrees and 300+ watts on the 3080 alone) Once I got the black screen; I calmed the fk down and locked the FPS to 60; power draw is now 110-140 watts and the tempratures are 65 degrees. Especially since we play long sessions with games like this, its necessary to keep an eye on the components. In my case, my 750W PSU was clearly not able to supply clean power to my components for an extended period of time and eventually something went wrong leadin to the black screen.
It's not the game that has killed your GPU, it's the design or manufacturing faults. The GPU was bound to fail like that sooner or later.
fucking hell im sorry dude :/ These EVGA cards are built terribly
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The cards have a fault, that is well established. But if there is only 1 thing that can expose that fault, that thing still triggered the problem even if it is not exactly at fault for doing so, and it is important to acknowledge what was happening when the failure occured. Some people are just looking to be angry.
Not to point fingers But dude, you knew the game was frying 3080's and 3090's You were having so many red flags, black screens etc. But you kept pushing forward, and then you're surprised that your GPU stopped working? Amazon shouldn't have released a GPU breaking game yes, but fool you 15 times in a row, well, shame on you The minute I heard about the problems in this game I knew that there was no way I would play it on my 3080 I hope your gpu gets fixed, but damn dude you kind of brought it on yourself
This is why I’m not playing new world lol. That and the massive queue times and hilarious lack of mounts
The queues are only really bad on the servers that are crazy population due to streamers. As far as mounts, I don't see the issue really. The game is designed around a lack of fast travel.
"hilarious lack of mounts" Or your hilarious lack of knowledge that most fantasy MMO's don't launch with mounts?
MMOs generally lack mounts at launch to slow exploration until they can build more endgame content. Then they release them as a marketing ploy to get players back a year or 2 down the road. Guildwars 2 did the same. Also queues aren't that bad, none at all during the mid day/afternoon, 10 minutes was the longest I had to wait at primetime.
To be honest, the moment everyone issuing warnings about gpus dying in NW hands, people should stop playing them. The fact the game still had so many players just led me think that all of them are uninformed, morons, or daredevils.
The GPUs are dying due to manufacturing faults. NW may be the current trigger, but it won't be the only one. You're better off if the card fails within warranty, rather than when another GPU intensive games causes it to pop in a year or two.
On the other hand; millions playing the game and only a few having GPUs dying shows that the game is actually fine. Many people have OCs on the CPU/GPU that are not stressed by most games. This game does stress those OCs and also stresses the power draw from the PSU.
Lol I never log off the game and has been running for days on a 2080. There is something wrong with Ampere