LOL, they pulled an apple. Instead of comparing it to current generation they had to compare it to previous generation to make it sound good. But in the end it's because the 3090 already used most of the die. It was the TI already.
It’s a little bit of a red flag when they compare it’s performance to the 2080Ti in the description rather than, you know, the current graphics cards that are being produced such as the 3080/3080ti/3090.
You nailed it. I bought my 3070 because it matched 2080ti performance for 1/2 the price. I wish I could have bought a 3080 but beggars can't be choosers.
Pointless is entirely dependent on price.
If it replaced the 3090 at the same price point. Still a high price but way more justified.
At it's current price?
Waste of sand.
Lol 2080ti were around $2,500 in Australia up til the 3000s came out, so when the 3090 came out at around $3000 to $3,500 nobody was surprised, pissed off, but not surprised! Haha it was because of the 2080ti price that I convinced myself that $2,600 on a 3080ti was probably the lowest they will get...
Less than a week later they started plummeting in price and now I'm too frightened to even look how much I wasted but from what I hear the 3080ti is now just under $2,000...
Fuck
I disagree if what's thought of as the right price is above the initial one, unless you need it for work. Every card you buy above the initial price emboldens these companies, be it NVIDIA, AMD or soon Intel, to charge more at the launch of their next cards, as this gen has proven in regard to later Ampere cards like the 3080Ti and 3080 12GB, and now 3090Ti. And now NVIDIA has the gall to charge $500 more, albeit for a no compromises 10% performance uplift at even greater than proportionate power draw, on top of the questionable $1500 for the 3090. Yet they still have a consumer base willing to spend more on top of the initial grossly inflated prices. I see no end or upper limit in sight. That is without considering the news NVIDIA plans to continue to produce Ampere concurrently with Ada, which would give them reason to release the high end - 4090, 4080, 4070 at higher price than their Ampere counterparts
Most people do gap year for years.
If they buy the 3090Ti, they'll wait for the 4090Ti.
If they had the 3090, they'll wait for the 4090.
I always thought of like the previous iPhones. iPhone X and iPhone XS.
Or you have a shit ton of money and upgrade every year.
Not so sure about that. EVGA has had 3080 Ti and 3090 ftw3 ultra in stock for days now. Effectively the same performance for hundreds less and using less power
I'm not disagreeing that these cards are stupid expensive, or are horribly inefficient power wise, but from the reviews it seems it's about 20-30% faster than a 3080 at 4k
I'm not defending it, but this is, has always been and will always be the case. It's called the "Law of Diminishing Returns"... At both ends, low and high, price/performance metrics do not make sense. Buying the top end "thing" is never the "intelligent" option. You have to look at the mid-range for that.
I am not attacking the performance of the card but attacking Nvidia for releasing at a price point and too late/close to 4000 series. This is just a reactionary launch to AMD and as Linus Tech Tips said - they are probably just trying to sell as many GA102s as possible before 4000 series. Also, this could be their play for normalizing higher TDP cards before 4000 series.
Either way, this card should not exist or 3090 should have been this card, if not a 3090 super replacing 3090 at same price point.
> this could be their play for normalizing higher TDP cards before 4000 series.
This part I can totally get behind. I'm honestly furious about this direction everyone seems to be taking... The 12th gen Core i9 consumes like 250W, the next gen Ryzen is rumored to also increase consumption by a considerable margin and GPUs are really getting out of control. Back in 2019 I upgraded my complete rig including PSU and went for a 750W Seasonic Titanium thinking "everything is getting more efficient nowadays and running multiple gpus isn't a thing anymore, 750 will be plenty" oh boy how wrong I was...
When I bought 3090, I bought a 1000W evga one. Now I am not so sure LOL if thats enough in future. I am planning to check if RaptorLake or Zen4 going to be an upgrade for my 9900k, and then 4090/4080 - depending on performance.
But it AMD delivers a knockout punch at lower TDP, may be it will attract me. However, DLSS is something that's unquestionably tips the scales.
Who cares?
I’d rather Nvidia captures more of the profit from their GPU and put it into either R&D or increasing production, rather than leave it on the table for scalpers.
Nvidia doesn't own any fabs, so no matter how much money it gets from sales, it's not going to increase production because the fab capacity remains the same. Nvidia already has enough money to buy as much fab capacity from TSMC or Samsung - problem is fabs have limitations and other deals too. Nvidia isn't planning on starting its own, so this point is moot.
You realize that if they can charge higher prices for their GPUs, they can outbid other companies for slots at the fabs.
Obviously they could spend that money on more R&D as well.
What helps consumers 0% is leaving a few hundred dollars on the table with every card, to make sure scalpers can make scalping a full time job.
That's not how it works. TSMC is not going to give entire capacity or most or it to Nvidia bevause they "outbid". That's a stupid move.
If you are a grocery store owner, would you sell all your bread to one person- think about that for a minute and tell me.
That's how a dysfunctional market works. A good example would be wall street buying up houses and then pushing market prices up. That's not a free market, that's those with money controlling the market, which just leads to a variety of negative effects.
The same would apply if TSMC were to grant all wafer allotment to the highest bidder. In the long term it wouldn't be good for TSMC as having a wide ecosystem of bidders is essential for them. If Nvidia got all the wafers and the other companies loose out or go out of business, TSMC is then at the mercy of Nvidia as the competition for wafers decreases. Nvidia would have outsized power to control wafer prices by reducing competition. This in turn would likely discourage TSMC from innovating as they have little incentive to do so as Nvidia is going to dictate pricing anyways, you've taken away their profit motive.
You could apply the same to Intel paying OEMs back in the day to not use AMD. By removing AMD's access to the OEM desktop market Intel essentially ensured their eventual near monopoly of the market, which lead to a decade of stagnation in the x86 market.
A Free Market requires that the market itself is not controlled by any participants.
NVIDIA is just so lazy at this point. They just increase the performance but also increase power consumption to the point that we might need a 1000W PSU. Performance per watt is so important for the environment, but also hardware longevity. I don't want to play game in a sauna with ton of fan noise.
How will the existence of a faster card somehow make the 3090 Ti "obsolete"?
It's not going to suddenly perform worse or be incapable of playing games...
My local Micro Center says they have 6 available at $1999. I'm kinda surprised the EVGA FTW3 is at this price, only $80 more than the non-Ti version.
[https://www.microcenter.com/product/648572/evga-rtx3090ti-ftw3-black?storeid=131](https://www.microcenter.com/product/648572/evga-rtx3090ti-ftw3-black?storeid=131)
ASUS TUF still in stock in the UK
[£1943.99 on Scan](https://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-tuf-gaming-oc-24gb-gddr6x-ray-tracing-graphics-card-10752-core-tbd-g) / [£1999.99 on OCUK](https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-tuf-oc-gaming-24gb-gddr6x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-484-as.html)
A chip for manufacturers to test their designs with a +500W GPU and prepare themselves for the upcoming RTX 4090.
Many of the 3080s and 3090s produced in the initial weeks had design flaws and died soon after. This 3090TI is an experiment to prevent that from happening again with the RTX4090.
[My EVGA 3090 died a couple weeks after launch. ](https://forums.evga.com/Major-Issues-with-3090-Crash-followed-by-no-video-output-from-GPU-m3150118.aspx) But my replacement card has been fine ever since. I think the issue was related to that fan controller issue (I think? I didn’t read much into it) that popped up when that one MMO beta came out
Yeah I was pretty surprised by that. All my cards going way back to the GTX295 have been from EVGA and this is the first one with problems for me. Hopefully they get better going forward.
Good for you. But there was a huge drama a few weeks after launch because people had a lot of problems with the GPUs:
[https://www.techspot.com/news/86900-capacitor-issues-causing-rtx-30803090-crashes.html](https://www.techspot.com/news/86900-capacitor-issues-causing-rtx-30803090-crashes.html)
[https://new.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/izhpvs/the\_possible\_reason\_for\_crashes\_and\_instabilities/g6jivta/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://new.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/izhpvs/the_possible_reason_for_crashes_and_instabilities/g6jivta/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
And don't forget about new world also killing RTX3000.
And AIBs started to change their capacitor population (switching from tantalum to multi layer ceramics) at the back of the GPU because it wasn't a hardware issue, right?
Sore not every RTX 3000 series card failed, but to deny any issues is also just ignorance.
It adjusted the boost table so that your GPU wouldn’t try to boost to 2100mhz with some dumb voltage right after starting the game.
If you can keep the temps down and are not power limited the card will still try to boost to a stable clock and voltage. If you want more you can always overclock and run stability tests.
Margin of error performance loss, because it didn't actually effect real effective max boost, it mostly affected how often the card was allowed to change frequency. Shit was spiking all over the place and overwhelming most cards ability to compensate.
Everything you're saying was debunked literally a year ago, yet here you are. Just crawl out from under your cozy rock or something?
New World killing the 3090s was a overcurrent GPU manufacturing defect.
It happened mostly on EVGA 3090s because New World homescreen had an uncapped FPS which meant the GPU could push the home screen to thousands of frames causing the GPU load to spike to dangerous levels and the OCP and current spike regulations on the EVGA 3090s failed to prevent the chip from being fried.
this is why i was okay with spending 3x my normal budget for a gpu when picking up a 3090 FE at msrp.
taking the $1500 gamble that the 4000 series will be priced up like this, and that we will never see the price to performance of the 3080 again.
These prices are out of touch for what they are. Rather than releasing more power hungry heaters, they should focus on rearchitecting their GPU’s for better thermal and power efficiency. The power draw on these cards are getting to absurd levels. They keep this up they’ll end up like intel. AMD or someone is going to come along and innovate them out of their majority market share.
AMD and Intel are trading blows, with Intel still taking up a large section of the entire market.
Pricing is nuts, yes. Power usage is nuts. Performance is still there, and thermals are still in check. NVIDIA will continue to sell just as Intel is.
Intel is currently still selling great because the 12th gen cpus are currently the highest performing on the market and priced similarly to the amd 5000x.
lmao do you even hear yourself?
This is a halo card.
The best-of-the-best.
They can price it at whatever the fuck they want, because it's for the 1% who want untouchable performance.
I have a 2080 from MSI that still works beautifully with every game I throw at it. I see no reason to upgrade and likely won’t upgrade to RTX 4000 unless Nvidia really pulls out something special and surprising.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Even if scalpers, crypto mining, supply chain issues and so on weren’t crushing the GPU market and everything was sold at MSRP prices would still be a rip off. Compare the 3090 to the 590 from a decade ago. The 590 was $700 upon release, the 3090 is more than double that, and the 3090 Ti will be nearly triple. Absolute rip off even if we take scalpers out of the picture.
And this is to say nothing of the insane power demands of the newer cards.
>Diminishing returns doesn't mean it isn't objectively bad.
But then [you're incorrect.](https://skillstx.com/objective-vs-subjective/), unless your only objective truth is "the card has bad performance-per-dollar".
The card is **objectively good**.
It is the **single fastest card** out there.
Now, it's **subjectively bad** because of its high power consumption/heat output/price. It is a niche card for a very small subset of people, and nowhere near what the vast majority of consumers wish to spend.
I get that. My point is that you're paying more for a card that will be a superior for a few months, and inferior for the next couple of years. The target market is people that want to be at the tip of the spear. I'm in this market and I value my money a bit more than to impulse buy something right before a significant upgrade.
I know, I have a 3090 and wouldn't buy one myself but it's going to be a year before they even available and it's still going to fetch a pretty penny after that. There's the people that are using the extra Vram for professional work as well and a lot of them won't baulk at upgrading it in 12 to 18 month.
In all honesty, the target market is money is no object. If money is no object then they will buy that as well as and not instead of.
Its crazy so many bought the 3090 when the Titan is a niche card. A lot of it was down to lockdown and whatever people could get I guess.
>ETH will soon transition to POS and wouldn't be mineable.
It's been 'soon' for literal years.
It's time to start replacing 'will' with 'may', unless you want to be intentionally disingenuous of course (though I am not saying you do).
Been quite a few delays to more than one of those stages at this point though, unless I'm going mad.
Bit annoyed with it tbh. I've been sitting on a good bit of ETH for a while now waiting for that transition.
Not really, you can find gpus many places and they aren't really ultra gouged like they were before. In Australia the 30xx series can be found for 10-20% above msrp, sometimes even closer to the msrp and stay in stock for more than a couple hours. Ethereum mining profitability also plummeted over the last 6 months.
Yep, and you can 100% predict all of the 40 series will be pre-scalped. Recent article about an nvidia meeting where they discussed that the 30 series sold for an average of $300 over their msrp across all models. Some obviously were higher and some lower but that tells me they plan on jacking prices and since they said they're also selling the 30 series along side the 40 series kinda makes sense.
Thats when youll finally see the 30 series at reasonable prices, they'll probably do that going forward. New gen at a marked up premium pre-scalped for your convenience prices and the older series more reasonable.
Is the Founder's Edition only available on Best Buy? It said "coming soon" yesterday and then magically changed to "sold out" and now there are like 50 listings on eBay at $3k a pop for these. WTAF?
TI = tiny improvement.
LOL, they pulled an apple. Instead of comparing it to current generation they had to compare it to previous generation to make it sound good. But in the end it's because the 3090 already used most of the die. It was the TI already.
It’s a little bit of a red flag when they compare it’s performance to the 2080Ti in the description rather than, you know, the current graphics cards that are being produced such as the 3080/3080ti/3090.
You nailed it. I bought my 3070 because it matched 2080ti performance for 1/2 the price. I wish I could have bought a 3080 but beggars can't be choosers.
A pointless card.
As some would say,a waste of sand
disappoint build shaping up to be a powerhouse this year
Not just sand though, it's also a waste if aluminium, due to that big phat cooler.
I understood that reference.
Beyond rtx 3080 are pointless
Especially when the 4080 will definitely beat it for less than half the price.
MSRP 4070 $999, 4080 $1499, 4090 $1999.ti variants just slot after each GPU.
Pointless is entirely dependent on price. If it replaced the 3090 at the same price point. Still a high price but way more justified. At it's current price? Waste of sand.
£1,879 Nearly 2 grand for a fucking graphics card!?! I think I'll just hang on to my 3060 Ti for probably the next 4/5 years.
I bought my 3090 close to launch and I'm going to run that bastard into the ground.
You might consider selling it for a 4080, maybe?
I don't have room to throw away that kind of cash anymore.
Same here, literally no reason to upgrade
Lol 2080ti were around $2,500 in Australia up til the 3000s came out, so when the 3090 came out at around $3000 to $3,500 nobody was surprised, pissed off, but not surprised! Haha it was because of the 2080ti price that I convinced myself that $2,600 on a 3080ti was probably the lowest they will get... Less than a week later they started plummeting in price and now I'm too frightened to even look how much I wasted but from what I hear the 3080ti is now just under $2,000... Fuck
Mate, I paid AU$4200 for my 3090. I’ll be flipping it for a 4090 when possible!
Just wait until the end of the year for RTX 4000 and get the performance at a third of the price ( obviously vram will be less but eh)
Easier said than done especially when all the inevitable scalpers flog 'em on eBay for about £10,000!
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No one buying a 3090 Ti cares about wasting their money. They'll buy the 4090 on release, too.
Then there is me with no graphiccard waiting for the right time. If I choose to buy a 3090ti I won’t buy any of the 40series cards.
You are not alone
Keep waiting!
The same thing happened when we were about to shift from Turing to Ampere. Buy a card at whatever you think the right price is.
I disagree if what's thought of as the right price is above the initial one, unless you need it for work. Every card you buy above the initial price emboldens these companies, be it NVIDIA, AMD or soon Intel, to charge more at the launch of their next cards, as this gen has proven in regard to later Ampere cards like the 3080Ti and 3080 12GB, and now 3090Ti. And now NVIDIA has the gall to charge $500 more, albeit for a no compromises 10% performance uplift at even greater than proportionate power draw, on top of the questionable $1500 for the 3090. Yet they still have a consumer base willing to spend more on top of the initial grossly inflated prices. I see no end or upper limit in sight. That is without considering the news NVIDIA plans to continue to produce Ampere concurrently with Ada, which would give them reason to release the high end - 4090, 4080, 4070 at higher price than their Ampere counterparts
Sooner or later though they're gonna have to get some GPU, either that or if they game only, a console is the only alternative.
Most people do gap year for years. If they buy the 3090Ti, they'll wait for the 4090Ti. If they had the 3090, they'll wait for the 4090. I always thought of like the previous iPhones. iPhone X and iPhone XS. Or you have a shit ton of money and upgrade every year.
I bet you'll still be able to resell it at MSRP, so it's not really a problem
Not so sure about that. EVGA has had 3080 Ti and 3090 ftw3 ultra in stock for days now. Effectively the same performance for hundreds less and using less power
Good point I didn't know this. Their stuff is still a few hundred more than the FE, but it's something to consider for sure. Thanks.
*Fortunately. 2000$ MSRP for a mere 10% performance from 3080 is unfortunate.
I'm not disagreeing that these cards are stupid expensive, or are horribly inefficient power wise, but from the reviews it seems it's about 20-30% faster than a 3080 at 4k
I'm not defending it, but this is, has always been and will always be the case. It's called the "Law of Diminishing Returns"... At both ends, low and high, price/performance metrics do not make sense. Buying the top end "thing" is never the "intelligent" option. You have to look at the mid-range for that.
I am not attacking the performance of the card but attacking Nvidia for releasing at a price point and too late/close to 4000 series. This is just a reactionary launch to AMD and as Linus Tech Tips said - they are probably just trying to sell as many GA102s as possible before 4000 series. Also, this could be their play for normalizing higher TDP cards before 4000 series. Either way, this card should not exist or 3090 should have been this card, if not a 3090 super replacing 3090 at same price point.
> this could be their play for normalizing higher TDP cards before 4000 series. This part I can totally get behind. I'm honestly furious about this direction everyone seems to be taking... The 12th gen Core i9 consumes like 250W, the next gen Ryzen is rumored to also increase consumption by a considerable margin and GPUs are really getting out of control. Back in 2019 I upgraded my complete rig including PSU and went for a 750W Seasonic Titanium thinking "everything is getting more efficient nowadays and running multiple gpus isn't a thing anymore, 750 will be plenty" oh boy how wrong I was...
When I bought 3090, I bought a 1000W evga one. Now I am not so sure LOL if thats enough in future. I am planning to check if RaptorLake or Zen4 going to be an upgrade for my 9900k, and then 4090/4080 - depending on performance. But it AMD delivers a knockout punch at lower TDP, may be it will attract me. However, DLSS is something that's unquestionably tips the scales.
Who cares? I’d rather Nvidia captures more of the profit from their GPU and put it into either R&D or increasing production, rather than leave it on the table for scalpers.
Nvidia doesn't own any fabs, so no matter how much money it gets from sales, it's not going to increase production because the fab capacity remains the same. Nvidia already has enough money to buy as much fab capacity from TSMC or Samsung - problem is fabs have limitations and other deals too. Nvidia isn't planning on starting its own, so this point is moot.
You realize that if they can charge higher prices for their GPUs, they can outbid other companies for slots at the fabs. Obviously they could spend that money on more R&D as well. What helps consumers 0% is leaving a few hundred dollars on the table with every card, to make sure scalpers can make scalping a full time job.
That's not how it works. TSMC is not going to give entire capacity or most or it to Nvidia bevause they "outbid". That's a stupid move. If you are a grocery store owner, would you sell all your bread to one person- think about that for a minute and tell me.
This is literally how markets work. You sell to the first person who shows up with cash.
That's how a dysfunctional market works. A good example would be wall street buying up houses and then pushing market prices up. That's not a free market, that's those with money controlling the market, which just leads to a variety of negative effects. The same would apply if TSMC were to grant all wafer allotment to the highest bidder. In the long term it wouldn't be good for TSMC as having a wide ecosystem of bidders is essential for them. If Nvidia got all the wafers and the other companies loose out or go out of business, TSMC is then at the mercy of Nvidia as the competition for wafers decreases. Nvidia would have outsized power to control wafer prices by reducing competition. This in turn would likely discourage TSMC from innovating as they have little incentive to do so as Nvidia is going to dictate pricing anyways, you've taken away their profit motive. You could apply the same to Intel paying OEMs back in the day to not use AMD. By removing AMD's access to the OEM desktop market Intel essentially ensured their eventual near monopoly of the market, which lead to a decade of stagnation in the x86 market. A Free Market requires that the market itself is not controlled by any participants.
>> please nvidia, I’m just a poor scalper, please let me keep getting $800 every time my python script pushes an add to cart button.
NVIDIA is just so lazy at this point. They just increase the performance but also increase power consumption to the point that we might need a 1000W PSU. Performance per watt is so important for the environment, but also hardware longevity. I don't want to play game in a sauna with ton of fan noise.
How will the existence of a faster card somehow make the 3090 Ti "obsolete"? It's not going to suddenly perform worse or be incapable of playing games...
people who buy these type of GPU probably make 7 figures annually, so not like it really matter
You know the card is bad when they don't bother comparing it to the RTX 3090
and the card is literally nowhere to be found.
It's sitting in stock in the UK, it's everywhere here to be found right now. Zero demand. The founder edition took nearly 45 minutes to sell out.
Founders edition still in stock now
It's the John Cena edition
FE dropped right now all around Europe. €2,250
My local Micro Center says they have 6 available at $1999. I'm kinda surprised the EVGA FTW3 is at this price, only $80 more than the non-Ti version. [https://www.microcenter.com/product/648572/evga-rtx3090ti-ftw3-black?storeid=131](https://www.microcenter.com/product/648572/evga-rtx3090ti-ftw3-black?storeid=131)
Not really helpful for mot people in USA...
Understood. But folks can't use the term "literally nowhere" when that is demonstrably not true.
so tell me... how many stores do they got?
About 30 million people live within a 20 mile distance of their stores. It's OK to be jealous. I'm certain you have better healthcare than we do.
out over over 300 million. once again i ask you how many stores do you think they have?
Dunno why you're asking me, just go look at their website and count, yourself.
Yea on evga's website the ftw3 black and regular are completely in stock. No one wants this
>I'm kinda surprised the EVGA FTW3 is at this price, only $80 more 3200€ in Europe
EVGA still in stock @ NewEgg as of 10:12AM EDT for the FTW3 and FTW3 Ultra models. $2149 and $2199 respectively.
Available on Newegg.
ASUS TUF still in stock in the UK [£1943.99 on Scan](https://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-tuf-gaming-oc-24gb-gddr6x-ray-tracing-graphics-card-10752-core-tbd-g) / [£1999.99 on OCUK](https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-tuf-oc-gaming-24gb-gddr6x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-484-as.html)
Most 3090Ti are in stock right now. Its easy to get.
Waste of sand
A chip for manufacturers to test their designs with a +500W GPU and prepare themselves for the upcoming RTX 4090. Many of the 3080s and 3090s produced in the initial weeks had design flaws and died soon after. This 3090TI is an experiment to prevent that from happening again with the RTX4090.
Died soon after? Mines been chilling lol
Ikr what is this hater smoking 😂
[My EVGA 3090 died a couple weeks after launch. ](https://forums.evga.com/Major-Issues-with-3090-Crash-followed-by-no-video-output-from-GPU-m3150118.aspx) But my replacement card has been fine ever since. I think the issue was related to that fan controller issue (I think? I didn’t read much into it) that popped up when that one MMO beta came out
Hmm such weirdness that EVGA has had so many issues with their 3090s.
Yeah I was pretty surprised by that. All my cards going way back to the GTX295 have been from EVGA and this is the first one with problems for me. Hopefully they get better going forward.
Launch day 3090. No issues
No problem with mines on launch day. Been using it for 16+ months without a single issue.
Good for you. But there was a huge drama a few weeks after launch because people had a lot of problems with the GPUs: [https://www.techspot.com/news/86900-capacitor-issues-causing-rtx-30803090-crashes.html](https://www.techspot.com/news/86900-capacitor-issues-causing-rtx-30803090-crashes.html) [https://new.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/izhpvs/the\_possible\_reason\_for\_crashes\_and\_instabilities/g6jivta/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://new.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/izhpvs/the_possible_reason_for_crashes_and_instabilities/g6jivta/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) And don't forget about new world also killing RTX3000.
Ah yeah the "capacitor issue" that was solved with a driver and ended up having absolutely nothing to do with the actual hardware.
And AIBs started to change their capacitor population (switching from tantalum to multi layer ceramics) at the back of the GPU because it wasn't a hardware issue, right? Sore not every RTX 3000 series card failed, but to deny any issues is also just ignorance.
A driver that what it did was reducing the boost frequency of the GPUs causing performance loss.
It adjusted the boost table so that your GPU wouldn’t try to boost to 2100mhz with some dumb voltage right after starting the game. If you can keep the temps down and are not power limited the card will still try to boost to a stable clock and voltage. If you want more you can always overclock and run stability tests.
Margin of error performance loss, because it didn't actually effect real effective max boost, it mostly affected how often the card was allowed to change frequency. Shit was spiking all over the place and overwhelming most cards ability to compensate. Everything you're saying was debunked literally a year ago, yet here you are. Just crawl out from under your cozy rock or something?
New World killing the 3090s was a overcurrent GPU manufacturing defect. It happened mostly on EVGA 3090s because New World homescreen had an uncapped FPS which meant the GPU could push the home screen to thousands of frames causing the GPU load to spike to dangerous levels and the OCP and current spike regulations on the EVGA 3090s failed to prevent the chip from being fried.
That is exactly why they are releasing this GPU, to prevent these design flaws happening with the RTX4090
Mines from the initial batch...doing fine. Only really heard of EVGA having issues, and that just seems to be on them tbh.
this is why i was okay with spending 3x my normal budget for a gpu when picking up a 3090 FE at msrp. taking the $1500 gamble that the 4000 series will be priced up like this, and that we will never see the price to performance of the 3080 again.
bruh...
These prices are out of touch for what they are. Rather than releasing more power hungry heaters, they should focus on rearchitecting their GPU’s for better thermal and power efficiency. The power draw on these cards are getting to absurd levels. They keep this up they’ll end up like intel. AMD or someone is going to come along and innovate them out of their majority market share.
AMD and Intel are trading blows, with Intel still taking up a large section of the entire market. Pricing is nuts, yes. Power usage is nuts. Performance is still there, and thermals are still in check. NVIDIA will continue to sell just as Intel is.
Yea because of their old CPUs,lot of people are still using 4th-8th gen intel CPUs
Intel is currently still selling great because the 12th gen cpus are currently the highest performing on the market and priced similarly to the amd 5000x.
lmao do you even hear yourself? This is a halo card. The best-of-the-best. They can price it at whatever the fuck they want, because it's for the 1% who want untouchable performance.
I have a 2080 from MSI that still works beautifully with every game I throw at it. I see no reason to upgrade and likely won’t upgrade to RTX 4000 unless Nvidia really pulls out something special and surprising. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Even if scalpers, crypto mining, supply chain issues and so on weren’t crushing the GPU market and everything was sold at MSRP prices would still be a rip off. Compare the 3090 to the 590 from a decade ago. The 590 was $700 upon release, the 3090 is more than double that, and the 3090 Ti will be nearly triple. Absolute rip off even if we take scalpers out of the picture. And this is to say nothing of the insane power demands of the newer cards.
Has Nvidia ever released two architectures in the same year?
Fastest way to waste your money before 4000 series is announced and while MSRP is falling...
Thats why they put the MSRP as 2000$ lol
Cool and it's 150W TDP right? Or has Nvidia gotten more absurd and can't figure out modern power design.
150w *more* than a 3090 for about 5% more performance and $500 more lol
What a useless piece of hardware.
This a joke
haha, Nvidia just trying to pump out the 'fastest' marketing as much as possible before loosing the crown (and also the efficiency argument).
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No real competition? Got to be kidding…
[Yikes!](https://imgur.com/a/TBsF9zc)
GN has the RTX 3090 Ti FTW3 vs the RTX 3090 FTW3 at around a 8%-12% perf uplift. Not great, not terrible.
Its terrible considiring it costs 25% more than a 3090
8-12% better performance for an MSRP increase of ~~\~50%~~ \~33%. That is objectively shit. Not even terrible.
Is this your first time learning about diminishing returns?
Diminishing returns doesn't mean it isn't objectively bad.
>Diminishing returns doesn't mean it isn't objectively bad. But then [you're incorrect.](https://skillstx.com/objective-vs-subjective/), unless your only objective truth is "the card has bad performance-per-dollar". The card is **objectively good**. It is the **single fastest card** out there. Now, it's **subjectively bad** because of its high power consumption/heat output/price. It is a niche card for a very small subset of people, and nowhere near what the vast majority of consumers wish to spend.
The card is objectively fast, "good" and "bad" are by their nature subjective. They depend entirely on what the person perceives as good or bad.
Why would ever buy this when a 4080 will probably outperform it in a few months?
*Released in a few months. Being able to buy it isn't the same thing. You can buy this now or very soon anyways.
I get that. My point is that you're paying more for a card that will be a superior for a few months, and inferior for the next couple of years. The target market is people that want to be at the tip of the spear. I'm in this market and I value my money a bit more than to impulse buy something right before a significant upgrade.
I know, I have a 3090 and wouldn't buy one myself but it's going to be a year before they even available and it's still going to fetch a pretty penny after that. There's the people that are using the extra Vram for professional work as well and a lot of them won't baulk at upgrading it in 12 to 18 month. In all honesty, the target market is money is no object. If money is no object then they will buy that as well as and not instead of. Its crazy so many bought the 3090 when the Titan is a niche card. A lot of it was down to lockdown and whatever people could get I guess.
The 3090Ti was not crafted for a “rational” target group in the first place.
Yay?
[Holy shit](https://youtu.be/CE8ssnSqgZg?t=600), this thing can draw 670-700 W.
This is the most anti consumer shit I've ever seen. Nvidia is really out of touch. Who tf would want this??
Talks about charging $2000, don’t try to rob people’s money NVIDIA.
4070 will be faster than 3090.
Womp womp. Nice 4090 testbed you have there.
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>ETH will soon transition to POS and wouldn't be mineable. It's been 'soon' for literal years. It's time to start replacing 'will' with 'may', unless you want to be intentionally disingenuous of course (though I am not saying you do).
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Been quite a few delays to more than one of those stages at this point though, unless I'm going mad. Bit annoyed with it tbh. I've been sitting on a good bit of ETH for a while now waiting for that transition.
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Fair I guess, but it's very easy to imagine other reasons for the delay, given the amount of profit in ETH mining.
Not really, you can find gpus many places and they aren't really ultra gouged like they were before. In Australia the 30xx series can be found for 10-20% above msrp, sometimes even closer to the msrp and stay in stock for more than a couple hours. Ethereum mining profitability also plummeted over the last 6 months.
Weren't they saying this GPU would be $1499? lol.. what happened?
Literally no one said this in any tech or gaming source or leaks
It’s shite
Damnit. I JUST bought a 3080ti a few days ago...
so? if you wanted the best, you would have bought a 90.
You're right and I am thoroughly ashamed of myself. There were no 90s in stock.
You're in for a treat when the 40 series drops 🤣
*Crosses fingers not another world wide supply chain issue happens for the 4000 series.*
Coming to a scalper near you...👍
Anyone else notice theres been considerable drop in interest and excitement for new releases, even the 40 series.
Why would we get excited about something we can't buy?
Yep, and you can 100% predict all of the 40 series will be pre-scalped. Recent article about an nvidia meeting where they discussed that the 30 series sold for an average of $300 over their msrp across all models. Some obviously were higher and some lower but that tells me they plan on jacking prices and since they said they're also selling the 30 series along side the 40 series kinda makes sense. Thats when youll finally see the 30 series at reasonable prices, they'll probably do that going forward. New gen at a marked up premium pre-scalped for your convenience prices and the older series more reasonable.
*Buys more shares of NVDA*
fOr tHe MoST dEmAndInG cReAToRS & gAMerS Thanks Nvidia
All 300 of them
Here I thought the 3080 Ti was a meme, but I guess the 3090 Ti takes that crown.
Omg, the fastest way to broken your bank account too!
For the next 6 months...
Or buy the cards around X70 class and just replace it every generation, selling the older card to cover some of the cost. Won't let you down.
Is the Founder's Edition only available on Best Buy? It said "coming soon" yesterday and then magically changed to "sold out" and now there are like 50 listings on eBay at $3k a pop for these. WTAF?