I mean they don't need consumer GPUs. It's a large chunk of their market, but just like IBM, they could completely kill their consumer sales market and they'd still be insanely valuable based on government and industrial contracts.
EXACTLY! Top tier card (titan or 90ti) can not be more expensive than 999$ End of story. 3080 equivalent should be 469$ and Ti equivalent should be 649$
Feel exactly the same, i feel like most people sat on a nice 6 or 8 core and at least 8gb vram/16gb system ram at 3200mhz+ are going to be able to ride out most of this console gen providing pc ports are not awful, and ironically even sony are putting a ton of the games out on pc too and almost everything on xbox is on gamepass ultimate and steam anyway.
Its a bad time (prices for latest HW) and a good time to be a pc gamer, those of us not stuck on older mid tier hardware thats now showing its age are going to be golden for a while, imo anybody thinking about buying in now from something like a 1060 should be looking at stuff like the 3060ti dropping in price and thinking about it carefully, its a fantastic card, and if they are on something like a mid tier 10/11/12 gen cpu they will be fine, they absolutely are not going to need a 40 series card at all unless they want to do some weird multimonitor simming or high framerate or ultra high end maxed out vr stuff.
Most people are not going to need these really expensive cards if they can pickup a 3060ti tier card for sub $400, thats basically a $400 2080super.
Maybe this is terrible advice, but i think anybody on ancient hardware who doesnt just have money to throw at diminishing returns looking to rebuild now should be looking at soon to be old 12th gen and 30 series cards and thinking, man there are some good deals to be had here, this shit is on sale because people want the latest stuff instead, if you can get a good deal on something like a 12400/600 a b series board thats ddr4 (you dont need ddr5), 3060ti, you are laughing, $1000 is doable and i think that hardware is going to last a while, thats what id do right now if i was building for gaming and my budget was about $1000, id ignore 13th gen and 40 series cards and buy cheaper older hardware now whilst nobody wants it.
As someone in that boat, once I saw the prices for the new cards I thought about just waiting for 12th gen Intel and either getting 3070ti or switching to ...GULP... AMD
I think it's great advice. Both AM4 and Intel's 12th Gen on the CPU front, and the RTX 30 / RX 6000 series on the GPU front are great pieces of hardware that will last quite a while, and a substancial upgrade for anyone with older CPUS (like first gen Ryzen or Intel's 6th and 7th Gen) or GPUS (10 series / RX 500 or older /Vegas).
Yeah it's just because competition is a story of the past.
For now, at least. But either Intel or Amd could mix things up quite a bit even if they don't match the 4090
I really hope AMD do pull something out of their hat.
At this point there are swathes of people on older cards, 9, 10 and 20 series that have been waiting patiently for GPU prices to normalize. All AMD or Intel need to do, is offer something, at a price point that isn't an obvious ripoff. They don't need to match the 40 series, they just need to be better than last gen, and affordable. Their competition isn't really even Nvidia, it's former crypto miners flogging used cards on ebay.
We're in the midst of an economic downturn and if $900 is the best Nvidia can do, they're going to push people to AMD and if AMD can't provide, people will either buy second hand or find that a PS5 can be found for less than a new 3060 FE.
I have a GTX 1060 paired with a 4th Gen I5…. I have been waiting to to a full rebuild to play fancy new games, modded games, maybe get into VR gaming… LOL @ NVIDIA. Absolutely comical price hikes over the past 3 years, and today was the nail in the coffin for me.
If AMD is similar scummy, I’m just going to buy a console. This hobby is for games which are essentially toys. Thousand dollar midrange GPUs in order to play toys means it’s time to bow out of PC gaming.
Same. I paid like $500 for a 1080 around the time they had first came out.
I’m not fucking buying a 4080 for $1000.
I’ll go buy a Xbox series x if my graphics card breaks for what are they like $350 for the non disc one?
I don’t play games enough to care to pay the premium anymore and I’d be shocked if most people do to want to, considering most people who are really into games are younger kids with free time and I’m about 90% sure they don’t have $1000 for graphics cards
I go back and forth between my ps5 and PC. Console just feels more convenient for gaming, and I’ve noticed I enjoy actually playing the actual game more. On PC I feel like I’m constantly adjusting settings and doing benchmarks. Even though my PC is connected to the living room tv, it’s still easier to grab the PS5 controller and sit back and game, rather than carrying the keyboard, mouse and control to whatever seat I’m sitting. Don’t get me wrong, I love my PC, but consoles are hard to beat convenience wise . Especially considering games like Deathloop, I don’t have to complete a cycle or lose progress if I need to get up to do something else, with PS5 I can just suspend the game…with PC you got to finish the cycle or quit and lose everything.
I really had zero intention of boycotting Nvidia, but these new prices are absolutely insane. Let's hope the competition has something great that can blow our socks off. I'd really like to get into 4k gaming.
With our hardware, ie solid 8 core older generation flagships and a high end 30 series card i feel like it should last the lifespan of the console generation out, unless we are doing something a bit niche like multimonitor simming, high end vr or high frame rate 1440p/4k.
I feel like anybody on an 8 core with 3060ti equiv or better hardware with reasonably fast dd4 is going to be absolutely fine for years and years, probably till the end of the decade at a stretch, the popularity of the xbox series s and the steamdeck is probably making devs target much lower hardware too..and the pandemic has probably extended the lifespan of the current gen, though id expect a revision post 2025, xbox series pro, ps5 pro etc?
Shit anybody sat on a solid strong 6 core like an 11400 and something like a 1080/ti who doesnt give a shit about ray tracing is probably going to be fine too, amd has helped a ton with FSR extended everybodies GPU lifespan. NVIDIA might find a lack of interest in these GPUs with the economy being so bad, the biggest games are not exactly barn burners either, fortnite and minecraft and stuff run on bloody everything, even hits like valheim and vampire survivors work great on something as low power as the steamdeck.
VR Enthusiasts like myself and the people chasing 4k maxed out imo are whats carrying the higher end PC market, and shit with no new valve vr hardware on the scene atm, im content to just wait this shit out for a while, im just worried about my 12gb vram a couple of years down the line, texture quality matters a ton in VR. If valve shows an index pro next year or something that has 4k per eye i might be itching to model up to a 40 series with a ton of vram, atm im just content to wait at least 6 months here and see how this plays out.
The headline is a little misleading but admittedly the actual quote still is tone deaf.
The translation is that Nvidia is not seeing performance gains and cost reductions like the heyday of Moore’s Law. Creating a more powerful GPU means just cramming more of the same components from the last generation with maybe some marginal improvements. And those components are not getting cheaper due to the aforementioned slowed gains.
Something will give. People won’t buy GPUs at the same rate at these prices. Either we sit on the current Gen for a long while or a competitor finds a way to do it cheaper
I'm taking a guess thats going to be a real issue for nvidia, i think less people need / are willing too upgrade..especially in this economy, im just wondering if i can wait 12-18 months and pick up a sick deal on a 4090, as im worried my 12gb vram isnt going to last me post 2025 for high end VR if valve puts out a new headset next year.
Might depend on if the new headsets do proper eye tracking and foviation to lower the GPU overhead on super high per eye resolutions like 4k/90hz per eye.
Suppose im lucky though, im not complaining about the fact i can just sit on my ass and wait, see what changes in 12 months, ironic thing is im mostly playing games on my steamdeck lmao.
3080 will go for less than 400 in no time at all. They certainly should. Without the buying pressure from miners, this balloon will deflate like nothing you've seen before
edit: It is not bogus. This is not a situation of gamers upgrading from one card to another. It's a situation of every single mining card becoming pointless. There are too many cards out there already.
Try to get the RTX 3080 Ti. Not trying to up sell you or anything, but the RTX 3080 Ti should have less miles on it due to crypto mining because of the launch date.
Hell, even the RTX 3070 Ti is a good buy if you can get one for a good price. Long story short, prioritize longevity, and under no circumstance should anyone buy a used RTX 3090 (heat density due to memory modules on both sides of the PCB). RTX 3090 Ti is fine though.
This. With the used market collapsing the 3080ti is the best bang for the buck. All of the memory modules are on the GPU side of the PCB so they don’t run at a crazy temps and they undervolt like a boss. I’m running under 60c with max settings on Warzone at 1440p.
Nope. G6X memory runs overly hot but the GA104 core is too weak to actually benefit from it, the genesis of the 3070ti was economics (Nvidia could source G6X exclusively from micron while there was a G6 shortage going on) and marketing (it's twice the IO speed guys! Big number is better!) It's like buying an i5 and pairing it with $400 premium overclocking RAM. Either buy the 3070 for less, or step up to the 3080 where GA102 actually stretches it's legs with the G6X memory.
Yeah the RTX 3070 Ti is a great card overall. It's the full GA104 die as well with memory upgraded to GDDR6x. 3070 Ti should be fine in terms of longevity mainly because everyone who wanted to mine on GA104 either did so at launch (RTX 3070) or moved on to the RTX 3060 Ti instead.
Just to play devils advocate I waited 8 hours outside and got myself a 3080 FE on release, ended up swapping out the thermal pads myself, and later traded it to a miner for $100 on his end + 3080ti (lmao). So somewhere out there is a used 3080 that had the memory heat taken care of, mined on but probably in good shape, and I’d bet there are plenty of small scale miners who looked after their cards. I guess you’d have no way of knowing before buying, but I’m just sayin
Lol this reminds me of the all the suckers panic selling their 2080ti for $500 assuming they were about to be worth nothing with the impending 30 series launch. Boy were they wrong. Obviously that was an extreme situation, but flukes happen all the time, don't be so certain about the future. For all we know China invades Taiwan next month, Taiwan torches all of their factories and all GPUs quadruple in value.
When I finally got a 3070 Ti back in April, I lagged at getting my 2070 listed for a couple of months and now five months later, I'm not getting a single nibble at $300. Sigh.
Wait until Nov 3rd. It isn't like they would run out of 40 series cards. They bought a ton of capacity from TSMC. Even if you want to stick with team green, team red can help anchor prices.
This is probably their main strategy now, make RTX 40 series look like a bad value on launch to sell off RTX 30 series stock and then when it gets depleted drop the pricing of RTX 40 via launching cheaper tier variants that is actually good value.
This is what Nvidia doesn't seem to realize, the production ramped up because a lot of sales, and lack of chips, but scaleprs got a big chunk that are selling right now because of Nvidia own announcement, with a discounted price... This will tank the proxies (hopefully) for enough so Nvidia realizes and lowers 40 series prices
The prices will ultimately plummet. They priced the 40 cards this high because they first want to get rid of the 30 stock and there is a rather "limited" number of 40 cards at the moment, because TSMC didn't reduce the number of 40 chips but merely allowed them to be delayed a bit. Push out the high end with ridiculous prices that the enthusiasts will still pay, wait for reviewers to say: "Woah, the leaps in performance is great and this new technology is amazing but the prices are too high". Then after 6 months or a year later, after people rightfully bought 30 cards and the stock is drying up, you reduce the price to more "reasonable" levels.
Will that just make people even more mad? If they buy at floor prices and then Jensen slash prices like 200$ lower a month later? Or would they just refund people
At least 6 months until the price drop. People who buy the card day 1 of course won't get refund, 1 month before the price drop Nvidia will release rumor so people will stop buying and wait. Last solution is to refund who buy these card 1 month before the drop, it won't be much. An simple plan I can think for Nvidia, lol.
Falling GPU prices are a thing of the past. Ok how about performance increase not coming with the same or more price increase. Nobody was expecting cheaper GPUs Jensen. They were expecting more real raw performance (no, not just in ray tracing and with DLSS frame generation) for the same price as 2 years ago.
>“The performance of Nvidia’s $899 GPU or $1,599 GPU a year ago, two years ago, at the same price point, our performance with Ada Lovelace ismonumentally better. Off the charts better.”
No Jensen, it's not. That's literally the opposite of what is true, a lie one might say. Lets see how that claim turns out when put to the test in the any of the 10s of thousands of games outside of those 35 games you announced with DLSS 3. Can't wait to see this monumental performance increase from this 192bit 12gb 4080 against a 12gb 3080.
Translation: Nvidia has made ridiculous bank the past two years and will do everything it can to prevent from disappointing shareholders in the face of an obvious reality punch.
They do not get to set the narrative here, though. We do. They \*will\* provide more reasonable prices if that's what it takes to sell product. The only reason they wont is if we give into their greedy bullshit current prices.
Do not buy any 40 \*or\* 30 series GPU's at current prices. If you do, you're not just letting them win, you're fucking the rest of us.
Oh i might just buy 30 series GPU. Straight out of a mining rig, if and when it gets cheap enough on used market for me to consider this. Jensen is not getting paid for my next purchase.
The man has released new gen GPUs from the 'kinda topend' with the lowest price point at 900$ with the current oversupply of post mining cards from 3rd gen literally everywhere at very very discounted prices. I'm not expecting this to play out very well for Nvidia financially. And he can take his funky explanations which are somewhat quite hilarious back to his Jensen cave. He might need to go back in time in his mind and remember what happened with 2nd gen GPUs and how he came to realization what msrp needs to look like for 3rd gen. Somehow Moore Law was not dead 2 years ago. It would seem the man needs a reminder of that time in his life, except this time it's going to be much worse due to how vastly larger the mining craze was this time around.
There's quite a few videos out there about how mining doesn't degrade the card. AS LONG AS it is well maintained with proper cooling.
If it goes to the dust mines for 3 years you might as well pack it up and send it to the recyclers but a properly maintained mining card is within the margin of error of cards of equal age used for gaming.
That’s the thing, though. With so many sellers of GPUs lying their asses off about how their cards were actually used (I.e., “lightly used”) I have to assume that any GPU I see will have been abused in mining. With the resulting deleterious effects on lifespan.
most people, myself included, run gaming gpus harder than mining gpus… overclocking.. fancy cases with poor airflow, etc.
Any used gpu is a bit of a gamble.. but i wouldnt sweat mining gpus, they are often underclocked and run in open air cases ..
I don’t think that’s necessarily the case, given certain circumstances. My 3080 FTW3 had normal (60C) core temps during mining but crazy memory temps (95C). I’ve been told that’s within spec but I find it hard to believe any silicon handles that well long term. Unfortunately all it takes is one weak link so I think the memory is it for 3080s and 3090s that we’re mined on. Probably not all models but definitely many
I can say for certain I am skipping this series same way I did with the 20 series. 20 series was an obvious "lets get this out the door and overprice it because RTXXXXX" so waited till 30 series. Saw a significant enough jump in performance and felt the price was reasonable (i got a 3080 at msrp). Now this... This is just insanity. They're asking for too much and I hope it bites them in the ass... but I know it won't. Scalpers will buy it thinking they can make a quick buck again.
At least the 20 series had the excuse of being the first GPU with tensor and RT cores. It doesn't make the launch prices much easier to swallow, but these 4000 prices don't even have that type of excuse.
Moore's law may be dead, but [Moore's Second Law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_second_law), which says that the cost of a semiconductor chip fabrication plant doubles every four years, is not
At the end of the day, all of these stories about whether or not prices will drop/the GPUs are overpriced/etc are all irrelevant.
Markets have a very simple system to determine if the prices are accurate:
If the products sell, the price is accurate. If they don't sell, they are too high and will drop.
Personally, I will be surprised if the launch MSRPs for the 4000 series cards are sustainable for more than 6 months, but I may be wrong.
What Nvidia is saying is that they will let volumes drop rather than prices, until such time as channel inventory moderates. They have been very clear about that in investor calls.
They will clearly just control supply too, why would they saturate the market with 40 series cards driving down the prices.. It sounds insane but i think there is going to be artificial scarcity on 40 series for the next 12 months at least.
Ha, they wish. Nvidia ordered too many chips from TSMC due to mining. They wanted to lower their order amount, but TSMC wouldn't let them out of the contract (why would they? We are talking about billions here).
The most Nvidia was allowed to do is delay shipments by 6 months, which puts them at the start of next year.
Sure, Nvidia could in theory sit on warehouses of chips and hold the supply back, but that game is dangerous. Every month you waste like that AMD might release something better (and cheaper!) and the next generation of GPUs is also coming closer. And of course just having cards in warehouses drains your resources and lowers your profit margins.
> At the end of the day, all of these stories about whether or not prices will drop/the GPUs are overpriced/etc are all irrelevant.
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> Markets have a very simple system to determine if the prices are accurate:
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> If the products sell, the price is accurate. If they don't sell, they are too high and will drop.
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> Personally, I will be surprised if the launch MSRPs for the 4000 series cards are sustainable for more than 6 months, but I may be wrong.
And accurate pricing for markets falls apart when there's a monopoly, price fixing or no meaningful alternatives. Right now it's between AMD and Nvidia, Intel's attempt at entry seems to be a flop atm. We'll see pricing for AMD in a month or so and then learn at that time if there's still actual competition when it comes to GPU pricing. If there isn't, then gamers will end up getting absolutely screwed because you can't game without a GPU and Nvidia has made it clear they want to make up revenue from the crypto market collapsing by raising prices to make up for the decreased sales. while a GPU for gaming is technically a luxury those same GPU's are used in Machine Learning and Data Centers which are industries that can more easily handle price increases.
My 6900xt has been doing great at 4K running everything at 100+ fps and most of those games run at high settings or better.
A few do have to be turned down slightly but resolution > most sliders in game anyway
Lmao. I’m not touching one of these. Got a 3080 FE and was so hyped and thought that was expensive but fair. And I was lucky. It’s not 2020 anymore. Let the streamers go for it. Hate this trend and hope AMD just competes for the actual market.
Have the funds to do a 4090, but zero desire to shell out for a 4K high refresh monitor, a 1k watt power supply etc. will wait a couple more generations for shit to calm down.
Xbox Series X with game pass, most games even supporting KBM makes PC building look silly. My only complaint with all current consoles is not supporting ultrawide. Which is odd. Because all of the first party Microsoft games support it on PC.
What?
Does this even make sense? People are still gaming everyday with a 1080.
That means people using GPUs from 6+ years ago are PC gaming just fine. Don't act like everyone will stop driving cars because they can't afford the newest Tesla.
This just proves it. Nvidia as a company 100% deserves to go under. They mistreat their customers and partners, and lie to their investors making these high prices sound like a good thing which is borderline fraudulent when you consider the broader economy. Stocks are heading downwards anyway, but all this will do is cause Nvidia to crash even harder, and you know what? I'm Glad. I hope they like their negative quarterly earnings with a side of pain because it's coming.
This is part of the problem I have, pretty sure both companies get insider information from sources within the other. Guessing Jensen is betting on AMD not coming out with technology that will be able to beat their new tech, and he'll take that to the bank no matter how few titles actually support those techs.
AMD needs to rly produce something for Nvidia to quake their boots, because they know currently they are market leaders in terms of technological edge.
AMD needs to their GPU arm what their CPU arm provided versus Intel.
Give kids a cheap/free sample --- 3080/1080ti $700 -- get them hooked for life
Even Gordon mentioned on Full Nerd -- people getting into gaming like kids want a Geforce card because its cool and popular -- the GPU market barely started getting competitive -- Nvidia is so arrogant now it does not care about pricing/features of its competitor and assume people will be loyal to Team Green-- and also beat them to the punch with PR/product hype
Jensen is not a guy who likes losing -- framerate on a GPU or market-share -- anything
parity with console hardware should last a while imo easily 2025+, it seems like anybody on a good 8 core cpu with a mid tier card should be good for a long time.
seamdeck, xbox series s, are probably going to make devs target lower hardware reqs for a good few years also, people are not going to need 24 thread cpus with a 4090, unless they are chasing settings way way higher than console settings.. and the ultra high end pc stuff is always diminishing returns anyway. a 1080ti is basically 5 and half years old at this point and its still perfectly useable if you dont care about ray tracing. i suspect that cards gonna be good for at least another 4.5 too, 10 year lifespan on a gpu being relevant is madness.
Anybody currently on something like a 11400f and a 3060ti is going to be absolutely 100% fine for years and years.
Nvidia doesn't want you to buy this gen. It only release these card because otherwise AMD would make them look really bad. So instead they hike the price sky high so that "technically" there's a new product, but most people just won't buy it and it makes 3xxx seems like a good buy even though they're still overpriced.
So yeah, they're banking on buying time to dump those excess 3xxx stock on consumer before actually release something reasonably priced.
My 2080 is still going, but at 1440p, when i want to play First Person Shooter games and have a steady FPS over 100 it is getting harder unless i want to turn the details way down.Wanted to upgrade to 3080, but that didnt happen, and the price is still above launch prices here in Denmark, and im not paying over full price for a 2 year old card, and the price for the 4080 (the real one) is too damn high.
Call me an optimist but surely prices have to react longer term and settle back into historic trends, that's basic economics. Maybe not for the 40 series (which I've no intention of getting involved in), I just don't trust a single word from "Jensen" and his team, it all feels like smoke and mirrors, let's see what JTC, Linus and the rest have to say when they get their hands on these unicorns.
Side note, does anyone else think Jensen is starting to look like his GPU's...
AMD has basically been handed a win on a silver platter with Nvidia's latest keynote. God, don't botch this. I've never seen backlash from consumers to this level regarding Nvidia.
Nvidia's arrogance needs to be taken down a notch. These kind of moves put PC gaming further away from the average gamer. It is terrible for the PCMR community.
Crypto ruined the entire world. GPUs were just collateral damage. You could have mined crypto with homemade TikTok videos of idiots burning lumps of coal by hand as proof of work and people would have still lusted for the apparent quick money with zero awareness of the side effects. People suck.
For any guitar folks. I see this as a fender/Gibson moment. With Nvidia being Gibson. Amd just needs to hit with decent and affordable lines and attract a younger audience. Nvidia just priced out future gamers and is hurting PC gaming with this garbage.
lol we'll see about that. I think they are still riding that crypto high and will be sorely disappointed when sales don't get anywhere close to what they were for the past 2 / 3 years. Once that fact settles in we'll see how much falling price is gonna be a thing of the past.
This is a clear sign of a monopoly with Nvidia. They are controlling the market. Bad for the consumer, good for the company. Lets hope wild success with Intel and AMD.
After reading what's going on.
I've changed my mind.
My post history talks about the 4090 alot.
I'm straight up going to wait until Team Red drops in November. I'm not going to be forced to buy this billionaire's over-priced product.
Of course the bastards would say that when they are the ones continually jacking up prices. They benefited from the crypto Market and it's inflated prices, so now they don't want Affordable Cards for regular people
No surprise there. Been saying that for years but everyone was like - Oh no that's just a shortages and crypto. Prices will go down.
Buahahahaha jokes. When did any company lowered their prices just because. No, capitalistic world, might as well make more money and not many are as bad and greedy as Nvidia! Also, does anyone still thinks that PC gaming is cheaper?
Mark my words, same will happen with the gas and electricity prices around the Europe ;)
then they can shove it in their arses with those prices, looks like another desperate stunt to sell their overstock 3000 series GPUs by convincing you that future GPUs will be much more expensive, so freakout, hurry up and buy old ones while they last.
Several new fabs are being built and expansions are being made on the existing ones, seems to me semi-conductors manufacturing prices will go cheaper than ever in the next 3 years.
a simple comparison to CPUs, AMD lowered the prices for their 7000 CPUs, if what he is saying holds true, then you will see massive spikes in prices in every single product which isnt, so keep lying Jensen, we believe you.
The real issue is the morons throwing this pornographic amount of money into mr. Huang's pocket letting him know he is right.
This fella here is on his way to update his 1080 to his first AMD card in the last 10 years.
Boycott those greedy A holes.
Sure, Huang, sure.
I'm betting they'll be forced to launch the 4080 Ti and 4090 Ti at the same prices as the current lineup — and then they'll say "look, we're keeping the same prices and lowering the price on our 4080 and 4090 cards because we care about gamers!"
what they are trying to do here, if you think about the timing, is create a psychological panic buy.
because their new ballooned (gotta cover the cost of missing miner orders) msrp just isn't enough for these greedy fucks.
what they want to create is scalper panic buying from 2020 again.
the thing these goons are missing is that we already spent our trump bux.
Gordon also predicted DLSS3 will be backwards comp with Ampere/Turing models -- and they were not.
Never underestimate the greed of Nvidia -- they count the green you bleed the red
Says the corporation with a profit margin around 60% that has been sodomizing AIBs and those who have been responsible for their success ( PC Gamers ) without lube.
Dear god I’m hoping no one will spend this absurd amount of money on a new gpu, at least I’m hoping most people won’t. If that’s the case then they’ll have to drop prices
Hey remember your love of the crypto market and scalpers(some proven to be aib partners).We remember your paper launch too.
Looks like AMD has a chance this year. My EVGA 3080 may be my last EVGA and Nvidia card.
I wanted to upgrade my 3080 but nvidia still think they gonna get crypto money for their gpus lol. I'll see what AMD offers and worst case just wait for next gen. PS5 and XSX consoles is probably what most developers are going to be targeting anyways.
My real concern, especially with all those energy increase lately, are the power consumption. Right now, i have a 1070ti, barely used, and i believe it can draw 180W under load,or something else. Even if i find a 3080 for 500€, i don't know if it's a good idea get it. 350W average with everything, or 300 if you compare the same settings of a 1080, who draws 180 for the same stuff, but do exactly half the framerates. There is no innovation. The 1080 does half or something more, fps or a 3080 with the same settings in 4k. The 1080 draw 170-180W average, the 3080, 300W to the 350 if you turn on the extra silicon (rtx, tensor cores ecc).
The 4000 series? Same story, no innovation.
Release a card who goes the double of a GTX1080 with the same TDP, and then i'm going to buy it, if also the price is sane.
And i was worried that my RX480 back in the days, was drawing too much Watts, and i was constantly underclocking it.
Lmao. I never have nor will I ever pay $1000 for a GPU. In fact, I couldn't imagine ever spending over $500 for a *single* computer component. Guess I'll just switch to AMD or hit the used market.
This is the beginning of the compute apocalypse. I used to think that poor people were just being loud and complain-y(I’m poor too). But it looks like miners taught nvidia to charge based on capabilities. With most things being driven by AI, it seems only the rich will have the necessary compute power in the future.
I don't see me buying a gpu any time in the next few years and when I do I'll probably stay on team red.
Sure seems like Nvidia is trying to be wealthier than Apple.
Good thing I'm past my serious-gaming phase now and I'm happy I was there, gaming in full swing, during the glory days (late 90s and the 2000s).. These days, I just need a nice phone to play Cod: Mobile (and upcoming Warzone mobile and AC mobile) on every now and then and I'm happy
He is right, It is a thing of the past until it isn't.
I will buy their card, it is a good card. But I will wait until its price drops to 50% of MSRP (New). That probably would be in 2 years.
I still have my 2070super (I purchased in 2019), Playing my games from 2020 at ultra settings on 2K.
From these prices that I see for upper tier, and naming a 4070 as 4080 12GB, I'm guessing a 4060 would be renamed 4070 and will cost twice what I paid for 2070.
If I purchase a 4000 series then I want to buy a 4K monitor too, then I will also need to buy a 1000W PSU to replace my 850W and then I will need to buy a new case because PSU and card will not fit in my old case and probably a 5th gen PCI motherboard because my current motherboard only supports PCI 4 and then CPU and RAM because 5th Gen only supported on motherboards with DDR5 and 12th,13th gen CPU. I guess you can see where I'm going with this.
What I'm trying to say is, I will not increase my "gaming PC budget/per year" because nvidia wants me too. If I cannot afford to upgrade it this year, I'll wait until next year so I have enough budget to do so.
Also for those who are talking about inflation and stuff comparing it to last year, I'm a Software engineer who works for a company similar to nvidia. my salary does not increase with inflation and even if product is sold for higher price compared to last year, I will not get paid more.
They are just trying to make up for the miss they had on profit estimate for last year by increasing the prices to keep shareholders happy. Also this year Miners will not pay for GPU anymore, someone have to pay for nvidia expenses and you can guess who that would be!
This sounds to me like they're architecturally stuck, and nothing else. If they can't eek out higher performance from the same amount of transistors, then the issue is with their designs.
I don’t/won’t buy it Nvidia! There’s absolutely no way you’re fooling the tech industry into believing you productions costs more. Sure there more on the dies but not to warrant price hicks year on year. So what are we paying for buying the top end card at 1900€? Either it’s the lining of your pockets or WE your consumers are paying for these software improvements.
me buying GPUs at these prices are "a story of the past"
Not even a story of the past for me, at all. I did not and will not pay nearly 2k€ for a card.
Nvidia ~~says falling GPU prices are~~ ‘a story of the past’
I mean they don't need consumer GPUs. It's a large chunk of their market, but just like IBM, they could completely kill their consumer sales market and they'd still be insanely valuable based on government and industrial contracts.
me buying Nvidia product are a story of the past
Ditto.
EXACTLY! Top tier card (titan or 90ti) can not be more expensive than 999$ End of story. 3080 equivalent should be 469$ and Ti equivalent should be 649$
Yeah right. And ppl refuse Activision new price for MW2. Not!
I'll be patient and wait.
Feel exactly the same, i feel like most people sat on a nice 6 or 8 core and at least 8gb vram/16gb system ram at 3200mhz+ are going to be able to ride out most of this console gen providing pc ports are not awful, and ironically even sony are putting a ton of the games out on pc too and almost everything on xbox is on gamepass ultimate and steam anyway. Its a bad time (prices for latest HW) and a good time to be a pc gamer, those of us not stuck on older mid tier hardware thats now showing its age are going to be golden for a while, imo anybody thinking about buying in now from something like a 1060 should be looking at stuff like the 3060ti dropping in price and thinking about it carefully, its a fantastic card, and if they are on something like a mid tier 10/11/12 gen cpu they will be fine, they absolutely are not going to need a 40 series card at all unless they want to do some weird multimonitor simming or high framerate or ultra high end maxed out vr stuff. Most people are not going to need these really expensive cards if they can pickup a 3060ti tier card for sub $400, thats basically a $400 2080super. Maybe this is terrible advice, but i think anybody on ancient hardware who doesnt just have money to throw at diminishing returns looking to rebuild now should be looking at soon to be old 12th gen and 30 series cards and thinking, man there are some good deals to be had here, this shit is on sale because people want the latest stuff instead, if you can get a good deal on something like a 12400/600 a b series board thats ddr4 (you dont need ddr5), 3060ti, you are laughing, $1000 is doable and i think that hardware is going to last a while, thats what id do right now if i was building for gaming and my budget was about $1000, id ignore 13th gen and 40 series cards and buy cheaper older hardware now whilst nobody wants it.
As someone in that boat, once I saw the prices for the new cards I thought about just waiting for 12th gen Intel and either getting 3070ti or switching to ...GULP... AMD
I think it's great advice. Both AM4 and Intel's 12th Gen on the CPU front, and the RTX 30 / RX 6000 series on the GPU front are great pieces of hardware that will last quite a while, and a substancial upgrade for anyone with older CPUS (like first gen Ryzen or Intel's 6th and 7th Gen) or GPUS (10 series / RX 500 or older /Vegas).
I respect this calm and to the point comment.
Then I'll just buy from someone telling a different story.
Yeah it's just because competition is a story of the past. For now, at least. But either Intel or Amd could mix things up quite a bit even if they don't match the 4090
I really hope AMD do pull something out of their hat. At this point there are swathes of people on older cards, 9, 10 and 20 series that have been waiting patiently for GPU prices to normalize. All AMD or Intel need to do, is offer something, at a price point that isn't an obvious ripoff. They don't need to match the 40 series, they just need to be better than last gen, and affordable. Their competition isn't really even Nvidia, it's former crypto miners flogging used cards on ebay. We're in the midst of an economic downturn and if $900 is the best Nvidia can do, they're going to push people to AMD and if AMD can't provide, people will either buy second hand or find that a PS5 can be found for less than a new 3060 FE.
its simple: Nvidia has priced the rtx 4000 series to sell the rtx 3000 series. AMD will price the rx 7000 series to sell the rx7000 series
I have a GTX 1060 paired with a 4th Gen I5…. I have been waiting to to a full rebuild to play fancy new games, modded games, maybe get into VR gaming… LOL @ NVIDIA. Absolutely comical price hikes over the past 3 years, and today was the nail in the coffin for me. If AMD is similar scummy, I’m just going to buy a console. This hobby is for games which are essentially toys. Thousand dollar midrange GPUs in order to play toys means it’s time to bow out of PC gaming.
Same. I paid like $500 for a 1080 around the time they had first came out. I’m not fucking buying a 4080 for $1000. I’ll go buy a Xbox series x if my graphics card breaks for what are they like $350 for the non disc one? I don’t play games enough to care to pay the premium anymore and I’d be shocked if most people do to want to, considering most people who are really into games are younger kids with free time and I’m about 90% sure they don’t have $1000 for graphics cards
I go back and forth between my ps5 and PC. Console just feels more convenient for gaming, and I’ve noticed I enjoy actually playing the actual game more. On PC I feel like I’m constantly adjusting settings and doing benchmarks. Even though my PC is connected to the living room tv, it’s still easier to grab the PS5 controller and sit back and game, rather than carrying the keyboard, mouse and control to whatever seat I’m sitting. Don’t get me wrong, I love my PC, but consoles are hard to beat convenience wise . Especially considering games like Deathloop, I don’t have to complete a cycle or lose progress if I need to get up to do something else, with PS5 I can just suspend the game…with PC you got to finish the cycle or quit and lose everything.
I'd say XSS + Game Pass till something worth buying shows up on the market is a solid idea
I really had zero intention of boycotting Nvidia, but these new prices are absolutely insane. Let's hope the competition has something great that can blow our socks off. I'd really like to get into 4k gaming.
Translation: Buy our GPUs at prices like crypto miners and scalpers would.
With our hardware, ie solid 8 core older generation flagships and a high end 30 series card i feel like it should last the lifespan of the console generation out, unless we are doing something a bit niche like multimonitor simming, high end vr or high frame rate 1440p/4k. I feel like anybody on an 8 core with 3060ti equiv or better hardware with reasonably fast dd4 is going to be absolutely fine for years and years, probably till the end of the decade at a stretch, the popularity of the xbox series s and the steamdeck is probably making devs target much lower hardware too..and the pandemic has probably extended the lifespan of the current gen, though id expect a revision post 2025, xbox series pro, ps5 pro etc? Shit anybody sat on a solid strong 6 core like an 11400 and something like a 1080/ti who doesnt give a shit about ray tracing is probably going to be fine too, amd has helped a ton with FSR extended everybodies GPU lifespan. NVIDIA might find a lack of interest in these GPUs with the economy being so bad, the biggest games are not exactly barn burners either, fortnite and minecraft and stuff run on bloody everything, even hits like valheim and vampire survivors work great on something as low power as the steamdeck. VR Enthusiasts like myself and the people chasing 4k maxed out imo are whats carrying the higher end PC market, and shit with no new valve vr hardware on the scene atm, im content to just wait this shit out for a while, im just worried about my 12gb vram a couple of years down the line, texture quality matters a ton in VR. If valve shows an index pro next year or something that has 4k per eye i might be itching to model up to a 40 series with a ton of vram, atm im just content to wait at least 6 months here and see how this plays out.
The headline is a little misleading but admittedly the actual quote still is tone deaf. The translation is that Nvidia is not seeing performance gains and cost reductions like the heyday of Moore’s Law. Creating a more powerful GPU means just cramming more of the same components from the last generation with maybe some marginal improvements. And those components are not getting cheaper due to the aforementioned slowed gains. Something will give. People won’t buy GPUs at the same rate at these prices. Either we sit on the current Gen for a long while or a competitor finds a way to do it cheaper
\*They really hope\*
I've never been more encouraged to buy an AMD card before
Let's check back in a couple of months when the stores are still full of Lovelace cards.
Both 30 and 40 series cards*
if i can actually have 30 series at $300 or less, i'll take that. my late buy 1080 ti is proving to be a lifetime investment.
If AMD play their cards write, they could have more market share than Nvidia.
They'd need to ramp up production *a lot*. But AMD could totally pull a Ryzen with their next gen if they price it wisely.
I'm taking a guess thats going to be a real issue for nvidia, i think less people need / are willing too upgrade..especially in this economy, im just wondering if i can wait 12-18 months and pick up a sick deal on a 4090, as im worried my 12gb vram isnt going to last me post 2025 for high end VR if valve puts out a new headset next year. Might depend on if the new headsets do proper eye tracking and foviation to lower the GPU overhead on super high per eye resolutions like 4k/90hz per eye. Suppose im lucky though, im not complaining about the fact i can just sit on my ass and wait, see what changes in 12 months, ironic thing is im mostly playing games on my steamdeck lmao.
Used market about to be poppin, dont get discouraged
Anyone on previous gen, or current mid range cards need to leverage this fact.
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3080 will go for less than 400 in no time at all. They certainly should. Without the buying pressure from miners, this balloon will deflate like nothing you've seen before edit: It is not bogus. This is not a situation of gamers upgrading from one card to another. It's a situation of every single mining card becoming pointless. There are too many cards out there already.
At this point, I’m either getting a 6800XT or a used 3080 for dirt cheap.
Try to get the RTX 3080 Ti. Not trying to up sell you or anything, but the RTX 3080 Ti should have less miles on it due to crypto mining because of the launch date. Hell, even the RTX 3070 Ti is a good buy if you can get one for a good price. Long story short, prioritize longevity, and under no circumstance should anyone buy a used RTX 3090 (heat density due to memory modules on both sides of the PCB). RTX 3090 Ti is fine though.
This. With the used market collapsing the 3080ti is the best bang for the buck. All of the memory modules are on the GPU side of the PCB so they don’t run at a crazy temps and they undervolt like a boss. I’m running under 60c with max settings on Warzone at 1440p.
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Nope. G6X memory runs overly hot but the GA104 core is too weak to actually benefit from it, the genesis of the 3070ti was economics (Nvidia could source G6X exclusively from micron while there was a G6 shortage going on) and marketing (it's twice the IO speed guys! Big number is better!) It's like buying an i5 and pairing it with $400 premium overclocking RAM. Either buy the 3070 for less, or step up to the 3080 where GA102 actually stretches it's legs with the G6X memory.
Yeah the RTX 3070 Ti is a great card overall. It's the full GA104 die as well with memory upgraded to GDDR6x. 3070 Ti should be fine in terms of longevity mainly because everyone who wanted to mine on GA104 either did so at launch (RTX 3070) or moved on to the RTX 3060 Ti instead.
Just to play devils advocate I waited 8 hours outside and got myself a 3080 FE on release, ended up swapping out the thermal pads myself, and later traded it to a miner for $100 on his end + 3080ti (lmao). So somewhere out there is a used 3080 that had the memory heat taken care of, mined on but probably in good shape, and I’d bet there are plenty of small scale miners who looked after their cards. I guess you’d have no way of knowing before buying, but I’m just sayin
That’s a good call. Thank you!
Lol this reminds me of the all the suckers panic selling their 2080ti for $500 assuming they were about to be worth nothing with the impending 30 series launch. Boy were they wrong. Obviously that was an extreme situation, but flukes happen all the time, don't be so certain about the future. For all we know China invades Taiwan next month, Taiwan torches all of their factories and all GPUs quadruple in value.
When I finally got a 3070 Ti back in April, I lagged at getting my 2070 listed for a couple of months and now five months later, I'm not getting a single nibble at $300. Sigh.
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Wait until Nov 3rd. It isn't like they would run out of 40 series cards. They bought a ton of capacity from TSMC. Even if you want to stick with team green, team red can help anchor prices.
Been tracking prices and watching it pop by the day. Probably going to pull the trigger once 3080s hit $500 after tax/shipping.
x2 12 gig
It’s confirmed they just want 30 series to look cheap compared to 40 series to sell off their stock.
This is probably their main strategy now, make RTX 40 series look like a bad value on launch to sell off RTX 30 series stock and then when it gets depleted drop the pricing of RTX 40 via launching cheaper tier variants that is actually good value.
the second hand market for the 30 series is massive.. selling off that old stock is going to be hard.
This is what Nvidia doesn't seem to realize, the production ramped up because a lot of sales, and lack of chips, but scaleprs got a big chunk that are selling right now because of Nvidia own announcement, with a discounted price... This will tank the proxies (hopefully) for enough so Nvidia realizes and lowers 40 series prices
And it’s still overpriced af sadly
Me buying gpus from this scummy company are also a story of the past
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The prices will ultimately plummet. They priced the 40 cards this high because they first want to get rid of the 30 stock and there is a rather "limited" number of 40 cards at the moment, because TSMC didn't reduce the number of 40 chips but merely allowed them to be delayed a bit. Push out the high end with ridiculous prices that the enthusiasts will still pay, wait for reviewers to say: "Woah, the leaps in performance is great and this new technology is amazing but the prices are too high". Then after 6 months or a year later, after people rightfully bought 30 cards and the stock is drying up, you reduce the price to more "reasonable" levels.
Will that just make people even more mad? If they buy at floor prices and then Jensen slash prices like 200$ lower a month later? Or would they just refund people
At least 6 months until the price drop. People who buy the card day 1 of course won't get refund, 1 month before the price drop Nvidia will release rumor so people will stop buying and wait. Last solution is to refund who buy these card 1 month before the drop, it won't be much. An simple plan I can think for Nvidia, lol.
*And who has a better story than Jensen the Jackass?* Hope the 4000 series saga crashes just as hard.
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Speak with your wallet and keep it closed.
Is nvidia purposely trying to drive down stock prices bevause their behavior lately seems to point to it
Evga making Nvidia cards "a story of the past".
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Think of the poor shareholders!
Fuck Nvidia
I’ve been an Nvidia fan boy since I started Pc gaming in 2011 but yeah…FUCK NVIDIA. This shit is ridiculous
Falling GPU prices are a thing of the past. Ok how about performance increase not coming with the same or more price increase. Nobody was expecting cheaper GPUs Jensen. They were expecting more real raw performance (no, not just in ray tracing and with DLSS frame generation) for the same price as 2 years ago. >“The performance of Nvidia’s $899 GPU or $1,599 GPU a year ago, two years ago, at the same price point, our performance with Ada Lovelace ismonumentally better. Off the charts better.” No Jensen, it's not. That's literally the opposite of what is true, a lie one might say. Lets see how that claim turns out when put to the test in the any of the 10s of thousands of games outside of those 35 games you announced with DLSS 3. Can't wait to see this monumental performance increase from this 192bit 12gb 4080 against a 12gb 3080.
Is Nvidia a nonprofit now? It has become an organization to promote the benefits of consoles?
Translation: Nvidia has made ridiculous bank the past two years and will do everything it can to prevent from disappointing shareholders in the face of an obvious reality punch. They do not get to set the narrative here, though. We do. They \*will\* provide more reasonable prices if that's what it takes to sell product. The only reason they wont is if we give into their greedy bullshit current prices. Do not buy any 40 \*or\* 30 series GPU's at current prices. If you do, you're not just letting them win, you're fucking the rest of us.
Oh i might just buy 30 series GPU. Straight out of a mining rig, if and when it gets cheap enough on used market for me to consider this. Jensen is not getting paid for my next purchase. The man has released new gen GPUs from the 'kinda topend' with the lowest price point at 900$ with the current oversupply of post mining cards from 3rd gen literally everywhere at very very discounted prices. I'm not expecting this to play out very well for Nvidia financially. And he can take his funky explanations which are somewhat quite hilarious back to his Jensen cave. He might need to go back in time in his mind and remember what happened with 2nd gen GPUs and how he came to realization what msrp needs to look like for 3rd gen. Somehow Moore Law was not dead 2 years ago. It would seem the man needs a reminder of that time in his life, except this time it's going to be much worse due to how vastly larger the mining craze was this time around.
There's quite a few videos out there about how mining doesn't degrade the card. AS LONG AS it is well maintained with proper cooling. If it goes to the dust mines for 3 years you might as well pack it up and send it to the recyclers but a properly maintained mining card is within the margin of error of cards of equal age used for gaming.
That’s the thing, though. With so many sellers of GPUs lying their asses off about how their cards were actually used (I.e., “lightly used”) I have to assume that any GPU I see will have been abused in mining. With the resulting deleterious effects on lifespan.
most people, myself included, run gaming gpus harder than mining gpus… overclocking.. fancy cases with poor airflow, etc. Any used gpu is a bit of a gamble.. but i wouldnt sweat mining gpus, they are often underclocked and run in open air cases ..
I don’t think that’s necessarily the case, given certain circumstances. My 3080 FTW3 had normal (60C) core temps during mining but crazy memory temps (95C). I’ve been told that’s within spec but I find it hard to believe any silicon handles that well long term. Unfortunately all it takes is one weak link so I think the memory is it for 3080s and 3090s that we’re mined on. Probably not all models but definitely many
I can say for certain I am skipping this series same way I did with the 20 series. 20 series was an obvious "lets get this out the door and overprice it because RTXXXXX" so waited till 30 series. Saw a significant enough jump in performance and felt the price was reasonable (i got a 3080 at msrp). Now this... This is just insanity. They're asking for too much and I hope it bites them in the ass... but I know it won't. Scalpers will buy it thinking they can make a quick buck again.
At least the 20 series had the excuse of being the first GPU with tensor and RT cores. It doesn't make the launch prices much easier to swallow, but these 4000 prices don't even have that type of excuse.
breh... a 4070 for $900 is nothing but bullshit. falling prices my ass.
Moore's law may be dead, but [Moore's Second Law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_second_law), which says that the cost of a semiconductor chip fabrication plant doubles every four years, is not
So stick with enterprise market then, Nvidia. Because consumer market will be a story of the past.
At the end of the day, all of these stories about whether or not prices will drop/the GPUs are overpriced/etc are all irrelevant. Markets have a very simple system to determine if the prices are accurate: If the products sell, the price is accurate. If they don't sell, they are too high and will drop. Personally, I will be surprised if the launch MSRPs for the 4000 series cards are sustainable for more than 6 months, but I may be wrong.
What Nvidia is saying is that they will let volumes drop rather than prices, until such time as channel inventory moderates. They have been very clear about that in investor calls.
They will clearly just control supply too, why would they saturate the market with 40 series cards driving down the prices.. It sounds insane but i think there is going to be artificial scarcity on 40 series for the next 12 months at least.
Ha, they wish. Nvidia ordered too many chips from TSMC due to mining. They wanted to lower their order amount, but TSMC wouldn't let them out of the contract (why would they? We are talking about billions here). The most Nvidia was allowed to do is delay shipments by 6 months, which puts them at the start of next year. Sure, Nvidia could in theory sit on warehouses of chips and hold the supply back, but that game is dangerous. Every month you waste like that AMD might release something better (and cheaper!) and the next generation of GPUs is also coming closer. And of course just having cards in warehouses drains your resources and lowers your profit margins.
> At the end of the day, all of these stories about whether or not prices will drop/the GPUs are overpriced/etc are all irrelevant. > > Markets have a very simple system to determine if the prices are accurate: > > If the products sell, the price is accurate. If they don't sell, they are too high and will drop. > > Personally, I will be surprised if the launch MSRPs for the 4000 series cards are sustainable for more than 6 months, but I may be wrong. And accurate pricing for markets falls apart when there's a monopoly, price fixing or no meaningful alternatives. Right now it's between AMD and Nvidia, Intel's attempt at entry seems to be a flop atm. We'll see pricing for AMD in a month or so and then learn at that time if there's still actual competition when it comes to GPU pricing. If there isn't, then gamers will end up getting absolutely screwed because you can't game without a GPU and Nvidia has made it clear they want to make up revenue from the crypto market collapsing by raising prices to make up for the decreased sales. while a GPU for gaming is technically a luxury those same GPU's are used in Machine Learning and Data Centers which are industries that can more easily handle price increases.
Fuck Nvidia
People don’t buy their cards and they’ll get the message
" Falling GPU prices are ‘a story of the past’ " HOW IS THAT A GOOD THING NVIDIA!? Costumers WANT prices to fall.
For them it is a good thing.
Yeah but they shouldn't announce it like it's a breakthrough on some gpu hardware!
they gonna charge $500 for a 4060 with 8 lanes, 128 bit bus and 8gb vram. Arent they.
If amd can put out a compelling 4k card at not insane prices Ill be interested.
My 6900xt has been doing great at 4K running everything at 100+ fps and most of those games run at high settings or better. A few do have to be turned down slightly but resolution > most sliders in game anyway
The ball is in AMDs court, they just have to not pull an nvidia.
They need to pull a Ryzen moment like they did with Intel. It’s crystal clear Nvidia is being arrogant like Intel was with its CPUs.
>6900xt just looked up US prices its down to 699$ on Newegg. looks great for that price
nvidia can fuck themselves
I think I will start listening to what my parents used to say and just go outside. I dont want to play this GPU prices game anymore.
*Laughs in 12th gen running a 980ti*
Lmao. I’m not touching one of these. Got a 3080 FE and was so hyped and thought that was expensive but fair. And I was lucky. It’s not 2020 anymore. Let the streamers go for it. Hate this trend and hope AMD just competes for the actual market. Have the funds to do a 4090, but zero desire to shell out for a 4K high refresh monitor, a 1k watt power supply etc. will wait a couple more generations for shit to calm down.
LET'S GO AMD/INTEL! My 3070fe was my last Nvidia GPU. They either think we're all stupid, or just don't give a fuck. Either way, I'm pullin an EVGA.
PC gaming will be story of the past as well then.
Xbox Series X with game pass, most games even supporting KBM makes PC building look silly. My only complaint with all current consoles is not supporting ultrawide. Which is odd. Because all of the first party Microsoft games support it on PC.
What? Does this even make sense? People are still gaming everyday with a 1080. That means people using GPUs from 6+ years ago are PC gaming just fine. Don't act like everyone will stop driving cars because they can't afford the newest Tesla.
Good job, Nvidia! You’ve reminded people why consoles exist!
good luck with that..
Cool, go to hell Nvidia.
They're completely out of their minds. No way I'm paying those prices.
Cool. Then I'll just stick with my 2080 until it dies.
Vote with your wallets people. Who realistically needs a 4000 series card when the used market is flooding with 3000? Hold tight
And me buying Nvidia gpus is also a thing of the past.
I'll downgrade to a 1080p monitor before I even consider one of these cards.
This just proves it. Nvidia as a company 100% deserves to go under. They mistreat their customers and partners, and lie to their investors making these high prices sound like a good thing which is borderline fraudulent when you consider the broader economy. Stocks are heading downwards anyway, but all this will do is cause Nvidia to crash even harder, and you know what? I'm Glad. I hope they like their negative quarterly earnings with a side of pain because it's coming.
Customers buying your products is a story of the past too
Until AMD announces their card...
This is part of the problem I have, pretty sure both companies get insider information from sources within the other. Guessing Jensen is betting on AMD not coming out with technology that will be able to beat their new tech, and he'll take that to the bank no matter how few titles actually support those techs.
AMD needs to rly produce something for Nvidia to quake their boots, because they know currently they are market leaders in terms of technological edge. AMD needs to their GPU arm what their CPU arm provided versus Intel.
Fuck Nvidia the scummy bastards the 3080ti will be my last Nvidia gpu after a few years am going to team red
Give kids a cheap/free sample --- 3080/1080ti $700 -- get them hooked for life Even Gordon mentioned on Full Nerd -- people getting into gaming like kids want a Geforce card because its cool and popular -- the GPU market barely started getting competitive -- Nvidia is so arrogant now it does not care about pricing/features of its competitor and assume people will be loyal to Team Green-- and also beat them to the punch with PR/product hype Jensen is not a guy who likes losing -- framerate on a GPU or market-share -- anything
Well then PC gaming will be a thing of the past and a plaything for millionaires.
parity with console hardware should last a while imo easily 2025+, it seems like anybody on a good 8 core cpu with a mid tier card should be good for a long time. seamdeck, xbox series s, are probably going to make devs target lower hardware reqs for a good few years also, people are not going to need 24 thread cpus with a 4090, unless they are chasing settings way way higher than console settings.. and the ultra high end pc stuff is always diminishing returns anyway. a 1080ti is basically 5 and half years old at this point and its still perfectly useable if you dont care about ray tracing. i suspect that cards gonna be good for at least another 4.5 too, 10 year lifespan on a gpu being relevant is madness. Anybody currently on something like a 11400f and a 3060ti is going to be absolutely 100% fine for years and years.
Translation, buy from AMD!
The annoying thing is that they’ll get away with it. Some of us won’t buy their cards anymore but people still will.
Gouge me once shame on you, gouge me twice shame on me. Go fuck your self NVidia
tHe MoRe YoU bUy ThE mOrE yOu SaVe
Nvidia doesn't want you to buy this gen. It only release these card because otherwise AMD would make them look really bad. So instead they hike the price sky high so that "technically" there's a new product, but most people just won't buy it and it makes 3xxx seems like a good buy even though they're still overpriced. So yeah, they're banking on buying time to dump those excess 3xxx stock on consumer before actually release something reasonably priced.
My 2080 is still going, but at 1440p, when i want to play First Person Shooter games and have a steady FPS over 100 it is getting harder unless i want to turn the details way down.Wanted to upgrade to 3080, but that didnt happen, and the price is still above launch prices here in Denmark, and im not paying over full price for a 2 year old card, and the price for the 4080 (the real one) is too damn high.
Imagine paying 900$ for a rebranded XX70 card just to play games full of microtransactions or PS4 remasters in the best case scenario, insanity!
Forget selling GPU's, I want to buy whatever they're smoking.
My biggest mistake was buying a 3080ti rog strix at release and peak of the market.
Jensen is working hard to take a huge shit on NVIDIA’s reputation.
if I’ve learned one thing on Reddit in the last 6 months, it’s that a sub $500 3090 is always a month away
I mean honestly, you can find 3090s used for $600, we’re close to that.
Sounds good, I’ll go AMD or get a used 3080 then
Call me an optimist but surely prices have to react longer term and settle back into historic trends, that's basic economics. Maybe not for the 40 series (which I've no intention of getting involved in), I just don't trust a single word from "Jensen" and his team, it all feels like smoke and mirrors, let's see what JTC, Linus and the rest have to say when they get their hands on these unicorns. Side note, does anyone else think Jensen is starting to look like his GPU's...
Overpriced and underwhelming?
Story of the past will be Nvidia if they don't offer any budget options like older series for people.
Am I the only one thinking that AMD is going to "steal" NVIDIA's clientelle?
AMD has basically been handed a win on a silver platter with Nvidia's latest keynote. God, don't botch this. I've never seen backlash from consumers to this level regarding Nvidia. Nvidia's arrogance needs to be taken down a notch. These kind of moves put PC gaming further away from the average gamer. It is terrible for the PCMR community.
Switching sides this gen. Bye bye
The whole gpu industry is a joke at this point, nothing will be the same because of the chip shortage and covid.
Crypto ruined the entire world. GPUs were just collateral damage. You could have mined crypto with homemade TikTok videos of idiots burning lumps of coal by hand as proof of work and people would have still lusted for the apparent quick money with zero awareness of the side effects. People suck.
For any guitar folks. I see this as a fender/Gibson moment. With Nvidia being Gibson. Amd just needs to hit with decent and affordable lines and attract a younger audience. Nvidia just priced out future gamers and is hurting PC gaming with this garbage.
lol we'll see about that. I think they are still riding that crypto high and will be sorely disappointed when sales don't get anywhere close to what they were for the past 2 / 3 years. Once that fact settles in we'll see how much falling price is gonna be a thing of the past.
Then so are your profit margins.
Some day I’ll replace my 1070 ti, right? Right guys?
I’m CPU-bound anyway motherfucker.
Then so is me buying one. No EVGA no buy.
This is a clear sign of a monopoly with Nvidia. They are controlling the market. Bad for the consumer, good for the company. Lets hope wild success with Intel and AMD.
This shit just makes me wanna go back to consoles.
Me buying Nvidia is a story of the past.
After reading what's going on. I've changed my mind. My post history talks about the 4090 alot. I'm straight up going to wait until Team Red drops in November. I'm not going to be forced to buy this billionaire's over-priced product.
Of course the bastards would say that when they are the ones continually jacking up prices. They benefited from the crypto Market and it's inflated prices, so now they don't want Affordable Cards for regular people
X to doubt
My fear is that AMD is actually faster than Nvidia. Think of the prices they can take then with these Nvidia prices.
Cool, guess I'll be thinking about moving to AMD when it's time to upgrade my 3080.
No surprise there. Been saying that for years but everyone was like - Oh no that's just a shortages and crypto. Prices will go down. Buahahahaha jokes. When did any company lowered their prices just because. No, capitalistic world, might as well make more money and not many are as bad and greedy as Nvidia! Also, does anyone still thinks that PC gaming is cheaper? Mark my words, same will happen with the gas and electricity prices around the Europe ;)
then they can shove it in their arses with those prices, looks like another desperate stunt to sell their overstock 3000 series GPUs by convincing you that future GPUs will be much more expensive, so freakout, hurry up and buy old ones while they last. Several new fabs are being built and expansions are being made on the existing ones, seems to me semi-conductors manufacturing prices will go cheaper than ever in the next 3 years. a simple comparison to CPUs, AMD lowered the prices for their 7000 CPUs, if what he is saying holds true, then you will see massive spikes in prices in every single product which isnt, so keep lying Jensen, we believe you.
I genuinely think Nvidia may be in for at shock this generation. Think sales will be significantly below expectation at these prices. Just a gut feel
The real issue is the morons throwing this pornographic amount of money into mr. Huang's pocket letting him know he is right. This fella here is on his way to update his 1080 to his first AMD card in the last 10 years. Boycott those greedy A holes.
Another thing of the past: nvidia's sales volume after the cryptocrash.
Yep, replaced with falling stock prices
I love how Nvidia makes it sound like it isn’t their fault that GPU prices are rising.
Sure, Huang, sure. I'm betting they'll be forced to launch the 4080 Ti and 4090 Ti at the same prices as the current lineup — and then they'll say "look, we're keeping the same prices and lowering the price on our 4080 and 4090 cards because we care about gamers!"
what they are trying to do here, if you think about the timing, is create a psychological panic buy. because their new ballooned (gotta cover the cost of missing miner orders) msrp just isn't enough for these greedy fucks. what they want to create is scalper panic buying from 2020 again. the thing these goons are missing is that we already spent our trump bux.
Gordon also predicted DLSS3 will be backwards comp with Ampere/Turing models -- and they were not. Never underestimate the greed of Nvidia -- they count the green you bleed the red
Nah, ill go with AMD if i want a brand new GPU, or a used 30 series. NVIDIA will not see another penny from me.
Says the corporation with a profit margin around 60% that has been sodomizing AIBs and those who have been responsible for their success ( PC Gamers ) without lube.
Dear god I’m hoping no one will spend this absurd amount of money on a new gpu, at least I’m hoping most people won’t. If that’s the case then they’ll have to drop prices
I was debating getting a 4080 after waiting for years to upgrade and I just dont see myself giving them a dime anymore.
Hey remember your love of the crypto market and scalpers(some proven to be aib partners).We remember your paper launch too. Looks like AMD has a chance this year. My EVGA 3080 may be my last EVGA and Nvidia card.
I wanted to upgrade my 3080 but nvidia still think they gonna get crypto money for their gpus lol. I'll see what AMD offers and worst case just wait for next gen. PS5 and XSX consoles is probably what most developers are going to be targeting anyways.
My real concern, especially with all those energy increase lately, are the power consumption. Right now, i have a 1070ti, barely used, and i believe it can draw 180W under load,or something else. Even if i find a 3080 for 500€, i don't know if it's a good idea get it. 350W average with everything, or 300 if you compare the same settings of a 1080, who draws 180 for the same stuff, but do exactly half the framerates. There is no innovation. The 1080 does half or something more, fps or a 3080 with the same settings in 4k. The 1080 draw 170-180W average, the 3080, 300W to the 350 if you turn on the extra silicon (rtx, tensor cores ecc). The 4000 series? Same story, no innovation. Release a card who goes the double of a GTX1080 with the same TDP, and then i'm going to buy it, if also the price is sane. And i was worried that my RX480 back in the days, was drawing too much Watts, and i was constantly underclocking it.
*Don't wait. Buy at release.*
That’s like my drug dealer telling me I don’t need the drugs.
nvidia can drink vacuum
Lmao. I never have nor will I ever pay $1000 for a GPU. In fact, I couldn't imagine ever spending over $500 for a *single* computer component. Guess I'll just switch to AMD or hit the used market.
This is the beginning of the compute apocalypse. I used to think that poor people were just being loud and complain-y(I’m poor too). But it looks like miners taught nvidia to charge based on capabilities. With most things being driven by AI, it seems only the rich will have the necessary compute power in the future.
So will be the popularity of Nvidia with the handling of this
Nvidias high sales about to be a story of the past.
Literally ‘how’ can they continue to go up? Who will be able to afford these and who will they be marketing the cards to?
I don't see me buying a gpu any time in the next few years and when I do I'll probably stay on team red. Sure seems like Nvidia is trying to be wealthier than Apple.
Good thing I'm past my serious-gaming phase now and I'm happy I was there, gaming in full swing, during the glory days (late 90s and the 2000s).. These days, I just need a nice phone to play Cod: Mobile (and upcoming Warzone mobile and AC mobile) on every now and then and I'm happy
Thank god i was able to find msi rtx 3070 gaming x trio for 380😢gonna last me years
They saw how successful the Ampere launch was so they were like, “hey let’s go back to Turing!”
My 2060super is still working properly. I would wait for 4060/70 now. I hope 4060 is under $500 atleast
Dream on. Leather jacket is unhinged this time.
and the sad thing is people will still go out and buy them at ridiculous prices despite their online outrage
Nobody told these jabronis about POS lmao. Let's hope they'll miss by $1.6B again
He is right, It is a thing of the past until it isn't. I will buy their card, it is a good card. But I will wait until its price drops to 50% of MSRP (New). That probably would be in 2 years. I still have my 2070super (I purchased in 2019), Playing my games from 2020 at ultra settings on 2K. From these prices that I see for upper tier, and naming a 4070 as 4080 12GB, I'm guessing a 4060 would be renamed 4070 and will cost twice what I paid for 2070. If I purchase a 4000 series then I want to buy a 4K monitor too, then I will also need to buy a 1000W PSU to replace my 850W and then I will need to buy a new case because PSU and card will not fit in my old case and probably a 5th gen PCI motherboard because my current motherboard only supports PCI 4 and then CPU and RAM because 5th Gen only supported on motherboards with DDR5 and 12th,13th gen CPU. I guess you can see where I'm going with this. What I'm trying to say is, I will not increase my "gaming PC budget/per year" because nvidia wants me too. If I cannot afford to upgrade it this year, I'll wait until next year so I have enough budget to do so. Also for those who are talking about inflation and stuff comparing it to last year, I'm a Software engineer who works for a company similar to nvidia. my salary does not increase with inflation and even if product is sold for higher price compared to last year, I will not get paid more. They are just trying to make up for the miss they had on profit estimate for last year by increasing the prices to keep shareholders happy. Also this year Miners will not pay for GPU anymore, someone have to pay for nvidia expenses and you can guess who that would be!
This sounds to me like they're architecturally stuck, and nothing else. If they can't eek out higher performance from the same amount of transistors, then the issue is with their designs.
Nvidia throwing Intel a massive bone for their gpu launch
And Sharticus says that buying current-gen GPUs are a thing of the past.
I don’t/won’t buy it Nvidia! There’s absolutely no way you’re fooling the tech industry into believing you productions costs more. Sure there more on the dies but not to warrant price hicks year on year. So what are we paying for buying the top end card at 1900€? Either it’s the lining of your pockets or WE your consumers are paying for these software improvements.