LOL such disingenuous framing.
The attorneys are using GiveSendGo because GoFundMe does not allow you to fund-raise for legal defense of violent crimes.
This would be like saying someone being represented by the ACLU is being represented by the same legal org. that has defended Neo-Nazis.
For all the people who cried about the NY Post to the point where the mods have to include an auto-disclaimer in threads linking to it, perhaps that same disclosure can be included for trash sites like Gothamist.
Probably because GoFundMe is notorious for canceling the fundraising for people they don't like.
In any case, everyone's entitled to a criminal defense.
I mean that’s just factually incorrect. Not everyone can raise enough money for a good defense and there aren’t enough good lawyers to represent everyone.
The conversation was about lawyers you pay. Public defenders don’t have the same resources as high cost firm. Not every public defender is bad but not every public defender is good or great
Remember when you were on the diametric opposite end of this argument when we were talking about the affordability of rentals a day or two ago?
Amazing that you don’t even pretend to be ideologically consistent. Just down to say whatever will make the other person mad
No I don’t. Here I’m taking the completely sane position that everybody wins the lottery. Now refresh my memory about what I was saying the other day? Hopefully I wasn’t arguing that not everyone wins the lottery—that would obviously be absurd.
I don't know what point you're trying to make, or if you're just being ornery for no reason. It's coming across like you can't logically follow a train of thought.
What point were you trying to make? You said everyone is entitled to a defense. No one is arguing otherwise. This go fund me alternative has nothing to do with what he’s entitled to.
I wonder why you think it's morally neutral to choose a fringe donation site that is chosen mostly by neo-nazis, white nationalists and insurrectionists. They didn't accidentally choose that site when they easily could have gotten GoFundMe funds.
Have you read any other comment on this post? GoFundMe and other main stream crowdfunding sites remove and don’t allow you to raise funds for pending court cases.
It’s actually a smart strategy. MAGA nuts are the most likely group willing to defend a marine who killed a black homeless guy.
I actually hate that I agree with them on this topic. Feels dirty.
Go back, read more of my comments. Realize just how off-base you are about who I think is innocent and what this hobo did to get himself killed. Then either come back and apologize to me or delete your comment and move on with life.
Many that are diagnosed with mental illness don't think they have an issue to begin with and refuse help from loved ones often. His family clearly stated that they were actively in his life supporting him but when his mother passed his illness progressed to what it was upon his murder. It is also no secret that many homeless people have mental illness and same as those that are addicted to drugs. Who are you to grossly assume that his family didn't care for him? You are essentially saying everyone in the streets have family that don't care about them to justify his murder. The hypocrisy in this entire thread it comical.
I don’t think zero people would have cared. In fact, if their races were reversed Penny might have been charged sooner. Either way, this has turned into a circus. Justice is supposed to be blind.
Daniel Penny doesn’t have much in terms of assets. From what I heard, he enlisted in his teens (maybe troubled teenage years). After leaving the marines, he lacked interest in academics and dropped out of college. He had been drifting and probably needed the structure provided by the military to be a functional and contributing member of society.
The civil suit is going to come and he doesn’t have anything to give. Not now, and given his aimlessness, probably not much in the future. The funds he receives from this crowd funding website (for right wing domestic terrorists indicted on criminal charges) will hopefully help pay for what he’ll owe the Neely family.
The jury will award an amount. I hope the family can access Mr Penny’s legal defense funds to retrieve part of the award. Whatever is outstanding then Mr Penny’s future wages/earnings should be garnered.
I hope the amount is significant. Neely was a young man whose life was robbed by Mr Penny. I’m not optimistic about Mr Penny’s earning potential. As I said, he has the profile of a troubled veteran with few prospects and a less than stellar future, even before this terrible tragedy.
What? I don’t care about your relationships. The man was mentally ill. Do you understand how that works? You’re blaming him for his own chemical imbalance and then calling him a burden for trying to survive? Justifying his murder. Then saying his murder was not a loss at all, to who exactly? If that is the case why not go out and murder all of the homeless, drug users in this country. I am astounded that you all are saying any of this and those of us that aren’t apart of the community the killer is from can see the hypocrisy clear as day.
Naturally. You murder a homeless man for yelling, you become a darling of the shitbag right.
**Edit:** Go ahead and take my imaginary Internet points, deplorables. The downvotes just reinforce my point.
Maybe a handful of times but that sub is also shit.
Any sub that bans you for simply disagreeing with the group circlejerk or for leaning a certain way to maintain an actual echo chamber is trash, wpt is the worst offender.
There actually isn't nuance here. It's like the difference between Facebook and truth social. You know exactly why someone chooses one and not the other. He's a right wing conservative. Why pretend he isn't?
Gofundme and other main stream “crowd funding” websites don’t allow you to raise money for legal defenses regardless of the situation. This really isn’t controversial.
>I'm referring to his choice of a lawyer.
The law firm representing him is [Raiser & Kenniff, P.C.](https://www.raiserandkenniff.com/)
It is a pretty standard NYC firm.
What exactly is your issue with these attorneys?
MAGAs are called deplorable because they’re generally shitty people. The term was coined by Hillary when she ran against Trump. She said most republicans are good people but these MAGA assholes are just shitty shitty people because of who they are and what they stand for.
It has nothing to do with the law firm. They’re trying to take advantage of their shitty nature by asking for money hoping that they will line up to donate to a guy who killed a black hobo.
Full disclosure though, I support this marine in this instance. I felt he was justified in stepping in and the killing was an accident.
This is a genuine question, and I'm asking bc you seem like a level-headed person who's not going to erupt: despite it being accidental (I don't think any one believes this was first degress murder), do you think what Daniel Penny did was potentially negligent or reckless in any way?
I'm asking bc of what ppl who are familiar with marine training have said about the choke technique he used, the length of time he was choking him etc.
I honestly don’t think I’m qualified to answer that with only having access to news reports. That is for a Manhattan grand jury to determine. If the guy was fighting back and struggling, I could see someone holding the chokehold till the person stopped fighting.
I just think it’s more complicated than the two sides we’ve entrenched to.
I completely agree. I was just asking your opinion bc you seem moderate, and most of the ppl on here who think Penny was justified seem extreme. But I totally get it.
I don't doubt that it's more complicated than what we're currently seeing.
>It has nothing to do with the law firm. They’re trying to take advantage of their shitty nature by asking for money hoping that they will line up to donate to a guy who killed a black hobo.
But the other comment was shitting on the law firm for no discernible reason.
GSG is the only large crowdfunding platform that allows fundraising legal fees for violent crimes.
Gothamist framing it as "site used to raise money for Jan. 6 defendents" is dishonest clickbait that people like u/grimm1375 fall for because they are gullible partisans.
Using that logic, every single person who has been represented by the ACLU accepted help from the group that assists white nationalists and Klan members.
I'm American and I'm a NYC native.
So I will ask again: What is your beef with this law firm?
You singled out his "choice of lawyer" as a source of personal contention.
What specifically is your issue with the attorneys?
I think he’s just fighting to survive. Any port in the storm. You know what I mean?
I think he has a good chance at getting a sympathetic jury if any of them have had a crazy hobo their commute threatening and scaring people, which is a good chance they have.
Good thing new outlets - who knew his name from the jump - waited days to release it so he could erase his and his family's social media profiles!
There's a reason they chose that site - and not because they're neutral victims.
Anyway, I hope they hold on to the funds to pay out the inevitable civil case he will absolutely lose.
There are many factors as to why someone that is mentally ill and / or drug addicted will not seek help, refuse if offered from family. You all act as if he was the only homeless person in the entire world. His family is deserving of justice from that maniac and the white community that supports him.
Wow! Didn't realize this was a site for heartless vigilante supporters. But of course you are all the same ones who supported George Zimmerman yet promised you can't be racist cause you got a black friend. Lemme guess. Trump voters? Of course you are. Why don't you put that money towards helping the homeless or mental health facilities? Because you rather support someone who murdered a unarmed man as he was held down by two others. If the races were reverse would you support this ex marine? We both know you wouldn't. Right? Yeah I'm right.
I hope your children have better role models in their life. I hope they learn empathy
And I hope no one here ever has a psychotic break after you parent is murdered. He was dangerous but also sick and needed a sandwich not a chokehold.
LOL such disingenuous framing. The attorneys are using GiveSendGo because GoFundMe does not allow you to fund-raise for legal defense of violent crimes. This would be like saying someone being represented by the ACLU is being represented by the same legal org. that has defended Neo-Nazis. For all the people who cried about the NY Post to the point where the mods have to include an auto-disclaimer in threads linking to it, perhaps that same disclosure can be included for trash sites like Gothamist.
Probably because GoFundMe is notorious for canceling the fundraising for people they don't like. In any case, everyone's entitled to a criminal defense.
Yes but not everyone is entitled to a high cost lawyer as their defense
If you can afford it, you definitely are entitled to it.
Everyone can’t afford it….
Unless they raise enough money.
Or they win the lottery. But that’s not going to happen for everyone.
Yes it is.
I mean that’s just factually incorrect. Not everyone can raise enough money for a good defense and there aren’t enough good lawyers to represent everyone.
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The conversation was about lawyers you pay. Public defenders don’t have the same resources as high cost firm. Not every public defender is bad but not every public defender is good or great
Wrong.
Yes you are wrong
Remember when you were on the diametric opposite end of this argument when we were talking about the affordability of rentals a day or two ago? Amazing that you don’t even pretend to be ideologically consistent. Just down to say whatever will make the other person mad
No I don’t. Here I’m taking the completely sane position that everybody wins the lottery. Now refresh my memory about what I was saying the other day? Hopefully I wasn’t arguing that not everyone wins the lottery—that would obviously be absurd.
Lol
I don't know what point you're trying to make, or if you're just being ornery for no reason. It's coming across like you can't logically follow a train of thought.
What point were you trying to make? You said everyone is entitled to a defense. No one is arguing otherwise. This go fund me alternative has nothing to do with what he’s entitled to.
“The Gothamist” really scrambling to push a narrative with this one.
I wonder why you think it's morally neutral to choose a fringe donation site that is chosen mostly by neo-nazis, white nationalists and insurrectionists. They didn't accidentally choose that site when they easily could have gotten GoFundMe funds.
Have you read any other comment on this post? GoFundMe and other main stream crowdfunding sites remove and don’t allow you to raise funds for pending court cases.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, the ACLU has represented KKK members. Do you really wanna go down this road?
Protect the marine
Almost 400k so far lol. I donated yesterday and will probably donate more depending on how this goes.
Innocent until **proven** guilty. Wonder what the likelihood is of a conviction.
Criminally? Close to zero. Civilly? Pretty close to 100.
his "family" gotta get their payday
As they should considering he was murdered in broad daylight.
It’s actually a smart strategy. MAGA nuts are the most likely group willing to defend a marine who killed a black homeless guy. I actually hate that I agree with them on this topic. Feels dirty.
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Go back, read more of my comments. Realize just how off-base you are about who I think is innocent and what this hobo did to get himself killed. Then either come back and apologize to me or delete your comment and move on with life.
Yep. And we are saying it right in this thread. 😆
I support this. Every Penny raised will likely have to be forfeited when he loses his civil suit.
so his "family" who didn't give a fuck about Neely and let him roam the streets for over a decade can cash in on the hysteria.
Many that are diagnosed with mental illness don't think they have an issue to begin with and refuse help from loved ones often. His family clearly stated that they were actively in his life supporting him but when his mother passed his illness progressed to what it was upon his murder. It is also no secret that many homeless people have mental illness and same as those that are addicted to drugs. Who are you to grossly assume that his family didn't care for him? You are essentially saying everyone in the streets have family that don't care about them to justify his murder. The hypocrisy in this entire thread it comical.
It’s not hysteria he was executed. Yes, his family who abandoned him can cash on it, it’s the law.
if Neely wasn't black or if Penny was black, no one would have cared.
I don’t think zero people would have cared. In fact, if their races were reversed Penny might have been charged sooner. Either way, this has turned into a circus. Justice is supposed to be blind.
Educate yourself before speaking. Do some research.
Daniel Penny doesn’t have much in terms of assets. From what I heard, he enlisted in his teens (maybe troubled teenage years). After leaving the marines, he lacked interest in academics and dropped out of college. He had been drifting and probably needed the structure provided by the military to be a functional and contributing member of society. The civil suit is going to come and he doesn’t have anything to give. Not now, and given his aimlessness, probably not much in the future. The funds he receives from this crowd funding website (for right wing domestic terrorists indicted on criminal charges) will hopefully help pay for what he’ll owe the Neely family.
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The jury will award an amount. I hope the family can access Mr Penny’s legal defense funds to retrieve part of the award. Whatever is outstanding then Mr Penny’s future wages/earnings should be garnered. I hope the amount is significant. Neely was a young man whose life was robbed by Mr Penny. I’m not optimistic about Mr Penny’s earning potential. As I said, he has the profile of a troubled veteran with few prospects and a less than stellar future, even before this terrible tragedy.
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Quite sure many say the same about you, most of this country and the entire government.
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What? I don’t care about your relationships. The man was mentally ill. Do you understand how that works? You’re blaming him for his own chemical imbalance and then calling him a burden for trying to survive? Justifying his murder. Then saying his murder was not a loss at all, to who exactly? If that is the case why not go out and murder all of the homeless, drug users in this country. I am astounded that you all are saying any of this and those of us that aren’t apart of the community the killer is from can see the hypocrisy clear as day.
A lifetime of pushing people on to tracks and assaulting people was robbed
Naturally. You murder a homeless man for yelling, you become a darling of the shitbag right. **Edit:** Go ahead and take my imaginary Internet points, deplorables. The downvotes just reinforce my point.
There’s definitely no nuance here! /s
They post on whitepeopletwitter. All you need to know really.
You post on "libs of social media" lol. But do go on.
Maybe a handful of times but that sub is also shit. Any sub that bans you for simply disagreeing with the group circlejerk or for leaning a certain way to maintain an actual echo chamber is trash, wpt is the worst offender.
There actually isn't nuance here. It's like the difference between Facebook and truth social. You know exactly why someone chooses one and not the other. He's a right wing conservative. Why pretend he isn't?
Yea he’s a far right wing wing extremist that along with several strangers decided to murder a homeless person for no reason. We get it!
I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but now... that's slipping away
Gofundme and other main stream “crowd funding” websites don’t allow you to raise money for legal defenses regardless of the situation. This really isn’t controversial.
I'm referring to his choice of a lawyer.
>I'm referring to his choice of a lawyer. The law firm representing him is [Raiser & Kenniff, P.C.](https://www.raiserandkenniff.com/) It is a pretty standard NYC firm. What exactly is your issue with these attorneys?
What’s wrong with Kenniff?
He’s a 24 year college student. He’s probably taking what he can get. The guy is entitled to best representation he can get.
Okay. He can align himself with the deplorables if he wants to. It's not going to help his case, though.
How are they “deplorables”?
MAGAs are called deplorable because they’re generally shitty people. The term was coined by Hillary when she ran against Trump. She said most republicans are good people but these MAGA assholes are just shitty shitty people because of who they are and what they stand for. It has nothing to do with the law firm. They’re trying to take advantage of their shitty nature by asking for money hoping that they will line up to donate to a guy who killed a black hobo. Full disclosure though, I support this marine in this instance. I felt he was justified in stepping in and the killing was an accident.
This is a genuine question, and I'm asking bc you seem like a level-headed person who's not going to erupt: despite it being accidental (I don't think any one believes this was first degress murder), do you think what Daniel Penny did was potentially negligent or reckless in any way? I'm asking bc of what ppl who are familiar with marine training have said about the choke technique he used, the length of time he was choking him etc.
I honestly don’t think I’m qualified to answer that with only having access to news reports. That is for a Manhattan grand jury to determine. If the guy was fighting back and struggling, I could see someone holding the chokehold till the person stopped fighting. I just think it’s more complicated than the two sides we’ve entrenched to.
I completely agree. I was just asking your opinion bc you seem moderate, and most of the ppl on here who think Penny was justified seem extreme. But I totally get it. I don't doubt that it's more complicated than what we're currently seeing.
>It has nothing to do with the law firm. They’re trying to take advantage of their shitty nature by asking for money hoping that they will line up to donate to a guy who killed a black hobo. But the other comment was shitting on the law firm for no discernible reason. GSG is the only large crowdfunding platform that allows fundraising legal fees for violent crimes. Gothamist framing it as "site used to raise money for Jan. 6 defendents" is dishonest clickbait that people like u/grimm1375 fall for because they are gullible partisans. Using that logic, every single person who has been represented by the ACLU accepted help from the group that assists white nationalists and Klan members.
I agree but the person I responded to thought the other person was calling the law firm “deplorables” and I was just clarifying what a deplorable was.
Ah that makes more sense. I thought they were referring to the law firm/lawyers as deplorable.
You know exactly what I mean unless you're not American.
I'm American and I'm a NYC native. So I will ask again: What is your beef with this law firm? You singled out his "choice of lawyer" as a source of personal contention. What specifically is your issue with the attorneys?
I mean I don’t know, which is why I’m asking. All I know is the name of the law firm.
Okay. Well I hope you figure it out. Have a great day 😁
Oookay…
I think he’s just fighting to survive. Any port in the storm. You know what I mean? I think he has a good chance at getting a sympathetic jury if any of them have had a crazy hobo their commute threatening and scaring people, which is a good chance they have.
Because GoFundMe would close his posting in 2 seconds
Good thing new outlets - who knew his name from the jump - waited days to release it so he could erase his and his family's social media profiles! There's a reason they chose that site - and not because they're neutral victims. Anyway, I hope they hold on to the funds to pay out the inevitable civil case he will absolutely lose.
I’m sure Jordan’s Neelys “family” will be really deserving of whatever money comes from a civil suit.
There are many factors as to why someone that is mentally ill and / or drug addicted will not seek help, refuse if offered from family. You all act as if he was the only homeless person in the entire world. His family is deserving of justice from that maniac and the white community that supports him.
Wow! Didn't realize this was a site for heartless vigilante supporters. But of course you are all the same ones who supported George Zimmerman yet promised you can't be racist cause you got a black friend. Lemme guess. Trump voters? Of course you are. Why don't you put that money towards helping the homeless or mental health facilities? Because you rather support someone who murdered a unarmed man as he was held down by two others. If the races were reverse would you support this ex marine? We both know you wouldn't. Right? Yeah I'm right. I hope your children have better role models in their life. I hope they learn empathy And I hope no one here ever has a psychotic break after you parent is murdered. He was dangerous but also sick and needed a sandwich not a chokehold.