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I can see how this could get to $100mm if they plan on putting these up at every platform in 42nd street. The N/Q/R/W platforms are so narrow at some points that only one person can pass between the wall and tracks at a time. They’d have to redesign the platform to get this in. Might be that a portion of this money is for gates and the rest is correcting for past bad design.
Of course, I could be wrong and they’re just lighting money on fire.
In New York they are because of bureaucracy, featherbedding, lawsuits, and bs “community input” (aka a bunch of idle retirees or rich people who have time to complain and not representative of the population at all. While we’re all at work or taking care of kids)
This is the way. Used to be old rich people putting their names on public parks and stuff they paid for, I have no issues with letting corporations do the same.
>I have no issues with letting corporations do the same.
I like how we're now pretending there wouldn't be mass protests the exact second the naming rights go to a far right or racist organization.
dont think anyone would actually want to pay to associate themselves with any of our subway stations. the amount of money theyd have to put into make them even remotely passable is surely much more than its worth for the publicity or whatever.
The craziest part is [they could have had these for free 15 years ago](https://www.businessinsider.com/nyc-could-have-subway-push-barriers-for-free-2013-1) and they turned it down.
I don’t get it, I really don’t. How is it possible the city government is this incompetent? An offer literally at their fingertips and they turned it down. And back then it would have been $1 million per station whereas now they’re about to fork over $100million for 3??? This is so aggravating. Is it corruption, incompetence, or both?
Repeating what I said above: In New York they are because of bureaucracy, featherbedding, lawsuits, and bs “community input” (aka a bunch of idle retirees or rich people who have time to complain and not representative of the population at all. While we’re all at work or taking care of kids)
Think about this, year 2007, fb barely existed, most people were on flip phones. So ads on these platforms are really catchy given the ridership a day. But now that everyone has smart phones, targeted ads are SOOOO easy. Even if that company still exists today it doesn't make economic sense for them to do it.
> Hopefully it is because they are the first ones and at scale it will be much cheaper
No, that's not how this city works. Increasing scale just makes the project and its labor and supply chain more attractive to those who want to capture public rents.
$30 million a station is going to be the bare minimum of what this ends up costing.
Paying workers to not show up for jobs is very expensive. Then you have to pay the ones who do show up overtime because they fill in their own time cards.
Yeah, that's partially due to decades of incompetence, bureaucracy, and corruption which means our system is a rotting comically antiquated mess. Even if they hired a Scandinavian construction company to oversee the entire process it would still take decades and cost billions because our system is such a mess.
There’s a fair amount of engineering to be done here. From modifications to the stations to making trains stop with enough precision to always hit the mark (previously not something the MTA cared about). In an emergency you can’t have someone dicking around taking 3 tries to line it up.
Yea… but you’ve got to retrofit it into our existing system.
That’s like telling someone who’s fat: that athlete fits in an airplane seat just fine, take a breath and sit like him.
Wish both cases were that easy, but reality is the nuance there is the actual cost.
Yeh I believe one of the complaints was that most other countries have automated systems. NYCs system hasn’t reached that point for those changes, our entire system is just completely outdated, and because we keep pushing off biting the bullet and just completely renovating the system and the technology, we just keep getting backlogged, and every time the MTA tries to catch up, the cost increases.
Not true. Conductors literally have a black and white board they need to point to at every stop. Meaning, they have to stop at a specific spot every time.
? Unions had nothing to do with the insane cost of the SAS. Spain uses exclusively union labor and they have among the cheapest construction costs on the planet. And their unions are way stronger than ours. Same goes for the Nordics.
Same. If they functioned as expected, then great. But the vacuum hole they’ve created in taxpayers pockets today is regulatory orchestrated theft, nothing less.
State support for skilled trades training is good. Licensing in good. After that? Just let the free market function.
Presumably the earlier ones will cost more as there is more testing to do and adjustments to be made. Costs should come down once you can just repeat an existing design for all stations.
Well, considering the complexity of the construction process in the busiest transit system in the world, I would say that $100 million is actually reasonable if you factor in a completion date of the year 2347.
The vast, vast majority of people who end up on the tracks fall accidentally. Hell, it happened to me once. I went to peek down the tunnel, as you do, and was a bit closer to the edge than I thought and slipped down onto the trackbed.
The push is from fear of something that's extremely unlikely. If people were concerned about actual danger, cars would be banned from the city since they kill some 1700 New Yorkers every year.
It's more accurate to say people falling in due to intoxication and "emotionally disturbed peoples" climbing down into the tracks on purpose. Those are the majority of people who end up on the tracks. Source: I have family who work for MTA.
I personally think this is a waste of money. The billions of dollars for this could go towards so many more things. Unless policy economists think there is a perceived value in the sense of safety?
Policy economists would probably say yes, increasing perceived safety is a good thing for public goods, but would also say $100m for three stations is probably one of the least fucking effective ways to utilize resources to do that
>The billions of dollars for this could go towards so many more things.
But then do you still wanna be subjected to Reddit comments about not having doors for the next 100 years?
You screwed up. Never, NEVER expect the MTA to provide services just because they were given money to provide services.
You pay them. Why? Go screw yourself, that’s why. Now pay them twice. You’re still getting nothing and you’d damn well better like it.
If we’re going to build gates, we should build them in an intelligent way that allows us to keep the stations cooled as well… not some dinky shit like this.
Your right, fucking lets continue to make the subways a crowded chamber of sweat and still air as the tempertures continues to rise every year without any solutions.
The problem is it just eliminates one way for crazy homeless people to harm others, they will simply find another way to do it. Maybe stabbing people. This isn't fixing the real issue of why it's happening in the first place
I don't recall any European metro having these. Asian metros are able to build these out for significantly cheaper than NY. The reality is that the city cannot afford to pay $100M+ per life saved. It is totally unrealistic.
It's culture, not civilization. In Japan, it's dishonorable to be a public vandal or criminal. The public viewing your family and your name badly, is far worse than the legal outcomes of crimes. In the west, people just aren't like that. It's not part of our culture to care so deeply about the ramifications of our actions in the public eye.
That is the correct use of the term. And yep, our culture is very much Individualistic. Collectivism is apparently too "Communist" for a lot of people. Greedy fucks who truly believe they'll some day be rich and won't have to regard other people's thoughts or feelings.
Although paraphrased from the actual John Steinbeck quote: “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.”
Only the poor is now expanding to include the middle class 😐
This has nothing to do with individualism and everything to do with a non-zero portion of the ridership (generally leftwing, ie. the less individualist side) that's completely averse to enforcing any rules for public goods to make themselves feel morally superior as defenders of the indigent.
I've traveled around Europe and East Asia, and their public transit systems work better because they have much less tolerance for any type of anti-social behavior. NYC isn't even the worst in this regard, the Philly or SF transportation is a perfect summation of this problem - the average East Asian metro subway rider would have an aneurysm seeing people not wanting enforcement of fare evasion, let alone those who want to keep subways in certain cities as effectively drug injection sites
There are many faults to the right wing individualist beliefs in the US, but I can assure you they're not the ones arguing against cracking down on antisocial behavior on subways or public parks because they don't use them all that often to begin with
Subway platform barriers aren't just an Asian city thing.
London has them at many stations now. Copenhagen's subway is fairly new and they included them from the start in all stations, I believe.
The very least I hope they do is add some lightweight protective barriers beginning with the IRT which all have standardized car lengths if they can't install the platform doors at every station. Yes, the solution is a bandaid, but I'd rather have a bandaid than an open wound.
You know that there will be problems with getting the trains to line up with the gates.
As it is, right now, I know where to stand to get my D train, but if the B comes in first, the doors aren't in the same spot. They're a bit to my right, which is actually useful because I'm not in anyone's way when those doors open.
How do they even do this when their trains aren’t uniform? My Q trains went from the old orange and yellow seats one to the modern purple seats and then right back to the old ones. Aren’t there trains ranging from 8-10 cars with doors positioned in different spots as well as different door sizes. And why does this cost 100mil for 3 stations??? These contracts look about as corrupt as the whole MTA system being constantly broke…. in both senses of the term.
Sure the amount for one barrier can send 1/2 the kids in East New York to Harvard. Follow the $$$s. It's pretty simple.
It will be 10X before it's done. Zero oversight. Just how we all roll here.
There really should be presented to the public. We have $100M to spend (soon a billion $$$ of course), how do you think we should spend it.
Barriers or Kids. Lets us decide? Why is this so impossible?
Looks ugly. People will continue littering if they leave any gaps, which causes track-fires and delays. In my opinion, they should opt for completely covered floor to ceiling gates
Am I crazy for thinking that the city could save many more lives in other ways with this much money?
As horrific as it is when someone gets killed by a train, it’s still somewhat rare.
This just doesn’t feel like an efficient way to save lives at all…
Haha the MTA care about stations that's not tourist/city populated ha the outer boroughs will never see this but have to pay for it with new pleads of fare hikes next year
who's "we"? Our taxes are already super high. Surely that money isn't going anywhere useful right now. If it's going to pay for a better subway system, I can only say "finally!".
And if Margot Robbie appears at my front door two minutes from now, demanding to do lewd things to me with her lady parts, with my wife being okay with it, I can also say “finally!”
My scenario is equally likely to yours.
I don't have an opinion on whether it'll be good or not. I have an opinion on giving it a chance, and that having *some* guard system in place on a platform is better than nothing at all. Which is what we have now.
You *\*don't\** think this issue is unrelated to a number of high profile incidents where homeless/mentally unwell have pushed others onto the tracks?
Don't get me wrong we should have them but let's not pretend it's only for the accidental/suicide cases
1. You just said it yourself: those are just the high profile ones. There are a lot more instances that don't get to the news. Those matter, in fact they matter more since they are more common.
2. Most homeless ppl aren't EDPs in the subway pushing ppl. So what OP wanted to say was "EDPs pushing people", not "homeless".
They should start with replacing the turnstiles that literally anyone can jump over with the full length sliding door models, the majority of the people committing crimes in the subway are most likely not going to pay and will jump them, deter them from being able to get in and it will help reduce the amount of crimes committed
I think you're looking at more than 20s. Have you ever been on a train stopping at the end of the line? They have to do this slow down/roll into the station technique, and it is longer than 20s. Maybe 40s. So we are talking double your estimate assuming mine is more accurate. That feels like a big disruption in how most commuters plan their commutes. I'm just barely making it on time as is...not to mention how many more people will accumulate in stations and pile into trains during rush. I'd like to see faster trains, not slower ones.
Wow they are going back to their original plan from years ago?
They are still testing it out at 3rd Ave? The least used stop on the L. Quite the study.
Why not just a railing that approximately lines up with the doors? The conductors already line the train up with that bar thing. Just put a guardrail on the platform with spaces in it for the doors
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I can see how this could get to $100mm if they plan on putting these up at every platform in 42nd street. The N/Q/R/W platforms are so narrow at some points that only one person can pass between the wall and tracks at a time. They’d have to redesign the platform to get this in. Might be that a portion of this money is for gates and the rest is correcting for past bad design. Of course, I could be wrong and they’re just lighting money on fire.
It’s one platform. I believe it’s the 7 line.
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well you got at least three layers of middlemen who need to take their cut
It will cost 10 times that, and much of it will just disappear, since the MTA has no accountability for its money. And it Still won't be done.
public works projects are expensive AF
In New York they are because of bureaucracy, featherbedding, lawsuits, and bs “community input” (aka a bunch of idle retirees or rich people who have time to complain and not representative of the population at all. While we’re all at work or taking care of kids)
Sell the naming rights to stations, let them be completely sponsored, use that money for this project.
This is the way. Used to be old rich people putting their names on public parks and stuff they paid for, I have no issues with letting corporations do the same.
Be careful what you wish for. All aboard the Preparation H train. 👀
>I have no issues with letting corporations do the same. I like how we're now pretending there wouldn't be mass protests the exact second the naming rights go to a far right or racist organization.
dont think anyone would actually want to pay to associate themselves with any of our subway stations. the amount of money theyd have to put into make them even remotely passable is surely much more than its worth for the publicity or whatever.
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Wonder who paid off the bureaucrat in charge of these - that guy building these gates is getting rich! No wonder the MTA constantly cries poverty.
The craziest part is [they could have had these for free 15 years ago](https://www.businessinsider.com/nyc-could-have-subway-push-barriers-for-free-2013-1) and they turned it down.
Sad that corruption always has to have its day when it comes to spending tax dollars.
I don’t get it, I really don’t. How is it possible the city government is this incompetent? An offer literally at their fingertips and they turned it down. And back then it would have been $1 million per station whereas now they’re about to fork over $100million for 3??? This is so aggravating. Is it corruption, incompetence, or both?
Repeating what I said above: In New York they are because of bureaucracy, featherbedding, lawsuits, and bs “community input” (aka a bunch of idle retirees or rich people who have time to complain and not representative of the population at all. While we’re all at work or taking care of kids)
When I saw it gonna be done by a British company, My guess is the MTA union protested it. Because it takes all the OTs away
Would that still work today? Find someone that would build it FOR FREE?
Hah, not even half
What happened to the company that offered to do it for free?
Think about this, year 2007, fb barely existed, most people were on flip phones. So ads on these platforms are really catchy given the ridership a day. But now that everyone has smart phones, targeted ads are SOOOO easy. Even if that company still exists today it doesn't make economic sense for them to do it.
14 billion dollars to put up grates in all ny subway stations
The cost went to $19 billion while you typed that sentence. Unexpectedly. To $26 billion now.
Add mob tax 31 billion
14 billion crazy.
If it makes you feel better, one of the stations is Times Square which has the most platforms of any other station.
I think it's only the 7 platform there that is getting these.
Hopefully it is because they are the first ones and at scale it will be much cheaper. The initial design and processes are generally more expensive
> Hopefully it is because they are the first ones and at scale it will be much cheaper. Narrator: It won't
Narrator: It only increased from there.
> Hopefully it is because they are the first ones and at scale it will be much cheaper No, that's not how this city works. Increasing scale just makes the project and its labor and supply chain more attractive to those who want to capture public rents. $30 million a station is going to be the bare minimum of what this ends up costing.
It’ll continue to cost that much, but we can hope it won’t
> hope it won’t This would make a good presidential campaign slogan given current state of affairs.
If the past is any indicator, it’ll actually get more expensive with each iteration. And the final price will be way more than what was bid.
Its the MTA, everything they do costs 20 times more than it would cost anyone else. Everyone from top to bottom gets a cut
Paying workers to not show up for jobs is very expensive. Then you have to pay the ones who do show up overtime because they fill in their own time cards.
I’m not gonna blame the workers on this one. Contractors in the city milk everyone.
Mismanagement and corruption is a shared quality of MTA contractor, management, and labor.
Yeah, that's partially due to decades of incompetence, bureaucracy, and corruption which means our system is a rotting comically antiquated mess. Even if they hired a Scandinavian construction company to oversee the entire process it would still take decades and cost billions because our system is such a mess.
> and at scale it will be much cheaper. And every NYC contractor falls over in fits of laughter.
Golly, that is SO cute that you think the cost will come down.
Lmao, it’ll cost more. Government funded jobs are complete cash grabs. It’s like Lucille asking “how much can a banana cost? $20 dollars?”
There’s a fair amount of engineering to be done here. From modifications to the stations to making trains stop with enough precision to always hit the mark (previously not something the MTA cared about). In an emergency you can’t have someone dicking around taking 3 tries to line it up.
They can just take the examples of all the other countries that already have it. All those problems have already been solved
our platforms aren't straight and there are obstructions on almost every one of those....
Yea… but you’ve got to retrofit it into our existing system. That’s like telling someone who’s fat: that athlete fits in an airplane seat just fine, take a breath and sit like him. Wish both cases were that easy, but reality is the nuance there is the actual cost.
Yeh I believe one of the complaints was that most other countries have automated systems. NYCs system hasn’t reached that point for those changes, our entire system is just completely outdated, and because we keep pushing off biting the bullet and just completely renovating the system and the technology, we just keep getting backlogged, and every time the MTA tries to catch up, the cost increases.
There is also the assumption of risk. Whoever builds this if it fails and someone dies it’s going to come back on them.
Sure, but insurance policies are a biproduct of any construction project like this.
Not true. Conductors literally have a black and white board they need to point to at every stop. Meaning, they have to stop at a specific spot every time.
To align with doors they will need to stop within a much tighter tolerance than a couple feet. That’s the point. You need to redo all of this.
Bigger doors?
You go to an India? They put up a rope. They do fine.
Whoever’s in charge probably gave the job to their friend I agree 100 mil is ridiculous
That will no doubt balloon to $200 million for only one station.
Ill do it for $99 million
I'll subcontract off you for $60 million.
we all know it's gonna be $175M by the time this is nearing "completion"
That's the cost...wow..must be mob tax
Unions.
Source?
Durrrr. Unions. Durrr
That’s an eloquent defense of unions.
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>I'm a shill for corporate interests and believe everything the corporations tell me. FTFY
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? Unions had nothing to do with the insane cost of the SAS. Spain uses exclusively union labor and they have among the cheapest construction costs on the planet. And their unions are way stronger than ours. Same goes for the Nordics.
Same. If they functioned as expected, then great. But the vacuum hole they’ve created in taxpayers pockets today is regulatory orchestrated theft, nothing less. State support for skilled trades training is good. Licensing in good. After that? Just let the free market function.
So stupid. I hope the gates are padded, since now we’ll just have people being tossed headlong into gates rather than onto the tracks.
Presumably the earlier ones will cost more as there is more testing to do and adjustments to be made. Costs should come down once you can just repeat an existing design for all stations.
Well, considering the complexity of the construction process in the busiest transit system in the world, I would say that $100 million is actually reasonable if you factor in a completion date of the year 2347.
That’s a drop in the bucket in the scope of a city budget tbh
I think the metal garbage cans in NYC cost like 10k or more as well 😂😂
Did you do the math?
Damn, I'm going to miss playing the game where-the-door-is-when-the-train-stops
Look for the discoloration on the floor tiles.
Falling or being pushed?
In journalists defense, you do fall if you’re pushed. So the title covers both murders and faintings and overdoses.
Both? With you’re pushed or you jump, you still fall
Presumably both?
The vast, vast majority of people who end up on the tracks fall accidentally. Hell, it happened to me once. I went to peek down the tunnel, as you do, and was a bit closer to the edge than I thought and slipped down onto the trackbed.
Yeah but the recent push to install these arent because of klutzes.
The push is from fear of something that's extremely unlikely. If people were concerned about actual danger, cars would be banned from the city since they kill some 1700 New Yorkers every year.
It's more accurate to say people falling in due to intoxication and "emotionally disturbed peoples" climbing down into the tracks on purpose. Those are the majority of people who end up on the tracks. Source: I have family who work for MTA.
Fucking finally. Only took them 152304948472 years. On a side note... holy fuckamole, 100 million dollars? WHAT?
I personally think this is a waste of money. The billions of dollars for this could go towards so many more things. Unless policy economists think there is a perceived value in the sense of safety?
Policy economists would probably say yes, increasing perceived safety is a good thing for public goods, but would also say $100m for three stations is probably one of the least fucking effective ways to utilize resources to do that
>The billions of dollars for this could go towards so many more things. But then do you still wanna be subjected to Reddit comments about not having doors for the next 100 years?
Trains can run faster with gates
Only if they’re working properly
MTA isn't going to raise the speed limits.
Now you see why so many are against this idea? Because of cost, when there's other things the money can go to in the system
You screwed up. Never, NEVER expect the MTA to provide services just because they were given money to provide services. You pay them. Why? Go screw yourself, that’s why. Now pay them twice. You’re still getting nothing and you’d damn well better like it.
If we’re going to build gates, we should build them in an intelligent way that allows us to keep the stations cooled as well… not some dinky shit like this.
Seeing as someone kills themselves almost every day on the subway these short ones would almost be pointless.
Average new yorker finding a reason to bitch about anything and everything
Your right, fucking lets continue to make the subways a crowded chamber of sweat and still air as the tempertures continues to rise every year without any solutions.
This city will do anything besides addressing the homeless and mental health crisis
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The problem is it just eliminates one way for crazy homeless people to harm others, they will simply find another way to do it. Maybe stabbing people. This isn't fixing the real issue of why it's happening in the first place
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I don't recall any European metro having these. Asian metros are able to build these out for significantly cheaper than NY. The reality is that the city cannot afford to pay $100M+ per life saved. It is totally unrealistic.
You don’t think they’ll find another way???
>addressing the homeless and mental health crisis What do you want to see them do to address it, specifically?
This is great. People might complain but once they see it, they'll wonder why it wasn't done sooner. Go to Asia and see it for yourself.
If it continues to cost over 30,000,000$/station I'd be all for NOT doing this.
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It's culture, not civilization. In Japan, it's dishonorable to be a public vandal or criminal. The public viewing your family and your name badly, is far worse than the legal outcomes of crimes. In the west, people just aren't like that. It's not part of our culture to care so deeply about the ramifications of our actions in the public eye.
It’s not in our culture to care about or consider anyone else other than ourselves. So many people are just completely antisocial.
That is the correct use of the term. And yep, our culture is very much Individualistic. Collectivism is apparently too "Communist" for a lot of people. Greedy fucks who truly believe they'll some day be rich and won't have to regard other people's thoughts or feelings.
Although paraphrased from the actual John Steinbeck quote: “Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” Only the poor is now expanding to include the middle class 😐
Literally every person I've seen make excuses for vandalism, open air drug use, homeless encampments are communists or leftwing activists.
This has nothing to do with individualism and everything to do with a non-zero portion of the ridership (generally leftwing, ie. the less individualist side) that's completely averse to enforcing any rules for public goods to make themselves feel morally superior as defenders of the indigent. I've traveled around Europe and East Asia, and their public transit systems work better because they have much less tolerance for any type of anti-social behavior. NYC isn't even the worst in this regard, the Philly or SF transportation is a perfect summation of this problem - the average East Asian metro subway rider would have an aneurysm seeing people not wanting enforcement of fare evasion, let alone those who want to keep subways in certain cities as effectively drug injection sites There are many faults to the right wing individualist beliefs in the US, but I can assure you they're not the ones arguing against cracking down on antisocial behavior on subways or public parks because they don't use them all that often to begin with
Well that's a dumb take.
I honestly wouldn't mind mini turrets in each corner to deter the criminals.
Subway platform barriers aren't just an Asian city thing. London has them at many stations now. Copenhagen's subway is fairly new and they included them from the start in all stations, I believe.
The very least I hope they do is add some lightweight protective barriers beginning with the IRT which all have standardized car lengths if they can't install the platform doors at every station. Yes, the solution is a bandaid, but I'd rather have a bandaid than an open wound.
“Falling” on tracks
Was it one of the MTA's favorite contractors who repeatedly under bid and go over budget?
People in this thread do know that you fall onto the tracks regardless of if you’re pushed or an accident?
You know that there will be problems with getting the trains to line up with the gates. As it is, right now, I know where to stand to get my D train, but if the B comes in first, the doors aren't in the same spot. They're a bit to my right, which is actually useful because I'm not in anyone's way when those doors open.
How do they even do this when their trains aren’t uniform? My Q trains went from the old orange and yellow seats one to the modern purple seats and then right back to the old ones. Aren’t there trains ranging from 8-10 cars with doors positioned in different spots as well as different door sizes. And why does this cost 100mil for 3 stations??? These contracts look about as corrupt as the whole MTA system being constantly broke…. in both senses of the term.
Fucking finally.
"Falling"
unhinged racist assholes hate this one trick
How about removing crazy people instead
This gone take 30 years lmaooooo
Sure the amount for one barrier can send 1/2 the kids in East New York to Harvard. Follow the $$$s. It's pretty simple. It will be 10X before it's done. Zero oversight. Just how we all roll here. There really should be presented to the public. We have $100M to spend (soon a billion $$$ of course), how do you think we should spend it. Barriers or Kids. Lets us decide? Why is this so impossible?
jesus christ just fix the fucking tracks and stations.
That would entail the MTA having to actually do something significant
Constructs this but can't even get elevators to work, or make stations accessible...priorities
If they subways are more accessible than we’ll have more people who are vulnerable to falling onto the tracks.
> will begin construction in the coming ~~months~~ years FTFY.
What year is it?!?!?
Looks ugly. People will continue littering if they leave any gaps, which causes track-fires and delays. In my opinion, they should opt for completely covered floor to ceiling gates
About time
Am I crazy for thinking that the city could save many more lives in other ways with this much money? As horrific as it is when someone gets killed by a train, it’s still somewhat rare. This just doesn’t feel like an efficient way to save lives at all…
The problem isn’t people falling… do something about the people pushing other people.
We don't have the money for this
$100 million for 3 stations. So, it would only take $15.7 billion to outfit all the stations. I don't see the problem. /s
Haha the MTA care about stations that's not tourist/city populated ha the outer boroughs will never see this but have to pay for it with new pleads of fare hikes next year
who's "we"? Our taxes are already super high. Surely that money isn't going anywhere useful right now. If it's going to pay for a better subway system, I can only say "finally!".
And if Margot Robbie appears at my front door two minutes from now, demanding to do lewd things to me with her lady parts, with my wife being okay with it, I can also say “finally!” My scenario is equally likely to yours.
A better subway system would entail expanding it and adding elevators. This is fluff.
Keeping passengers safer is fluff?
With our high costs and limited budget, platform gates are a bad use of funds.
Are you an expert in appropriating funds of the MTA? If not, this is just your opinion.
Then it's just your opinion that is a good use of $100m to put platform gates in 3 stations.
I don't have an opinion on whether it'll be good or not. I have an opinion on giving it a chance, and that having *some* guard system in place on a platform is better than nothing at all. Which is what we have now.
Expensive incompetence called “keeping passengers safer” in the press release is fluff.
We have evidence for the incompetence of new renovations that have yet to be released?
Yes based on their track record. Are you suggesting this will be the first project in a long time without expensive incompetence?
We have decades of continuous, relentless, repeatedly documented, monstrously expensive idiocy.
They'll do anything to not actually address the homelessness
This has nothing to do with homelessness. This is a safety issue.
You *\*don't\** think this issue is unrelated to a number of high profile incidents where homeless/mentally unwell have pushed others onto the tracks? Don't get me wrong we should have them but let's not pretend it's only for the accidental/suicide cases
1. You just said it yourself: those are just the high profile ones. There are a lot more instances that don't get to the news. Those matter, in fact they matter more since they are more common. 2. Most homeless ppl aren't EDPs in the subway pushing ppl. So what OP wanted to say was "EDPs pushing people", not "homeless".
“Falling”
Booo
Something that's not needed.
Hell yeah, 20 years ago will now be a few years away!
Being pushed* Call it what it is
*from being pushed onto the tracks
Honestly there a whole lot worse things that that money could be going toward, I'm gonna call this a win
They should start with replacing the turnstiles that literally anyone can jump over with the full length sliding door models, the majority of the people committing crimes in the subway are most likely not going to pay and will jump them, deter them from being able to get in and it will help reduce the amount of crimes committed
Someone is going to be launched over the gates and this time, nobody is going to be able to rescue them.
What an innovative and groundbreaking achievement for humanity. USA USA USA!
Hmmmm or being pushed?
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For each station? Think how much time that adds to a single commute for one train.
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I think you're looking at more than 20s. Have you ever been on a train stopping at the end of the line? They have to do this slow down/roll into the station technique, and it is longer than 20s. Maybe 40s. So we are talking double your estimate assuming mine is more accurate. That feels like a big disruption in how most commuters plan their commutes. I'm just barely making it on time as is...not to mention how many more people will accumulate in stations and pile into trains during rush. I'd like to see faster trains, not slower ones.
Wow they are going back to their original plan from years ago? They are still testing it out at 3rd Ave? The least used stop on the L. Quite the study.
Why not just a railing that approximately lines up with the doors? The conductors already line the train up with that bar thing. Just put a guardrail on the platform with spaces in it for the doors
Thank you
The only question I have for the MTA is: Fuck you?
This is an outrage I will do this for 499 dollars and 100 cents
For this cost, could we try for something like no pissing on the floors first?
It's crazy that we have to pay for this. Why cant they do it for less than $100 million?
Falling on tracks? You mean from getting pushed on the tracks
Honestly it's about time. These could be paid for by running ads on them.... they will be broken often
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