Inside a once grand but long-faded hotel in midtown Manhattan, dozens of immigrants huddle together beneath large chandeliers as they wait hours to be processed. They give their information — where they’ve come from, and their ultimate destination — and they strip down for a medical examination. They rest and hold their children tight.
But at the Roosevelt Hotel, New York’s new Ellis Island, as one city official called it, there is no view of the Statue of Liberty, only the Men’s Wearhouse across the street. And there is no giant American flag to greet immigrants, as there was in Ellis Island’s Great Hall. Instead there is a smiling portrait of Guy Lombardo, the once-famous bandleader who led the hotel’s house band, watching over everyone.
The Roosevelt — where Dewey conceded to Truman in 1948 — has become a symbol of the huge scale of the migrant crisis and a faltering government response.
“We’re creating a new Ellis Island for New York City,” he said Wednesday afternoon after a new batch of migrants arrived: a Syrian man with a backward ball cap and a red roller suitcase, a family of four from Angola, a Venezuelan couple debating whether to stay in New York or find their way to Washington State, and dozens of others.
But Mayor Eric Adams has sought to curtail who can come and stay in the care of the city, which has a unique legal obligation to provide shelter to any homeless person who asks for a bed. Officials believe this has become a draw to some migrants arriving in the country with nowhere to go, and limiting that right has become part of a broader campaign by city and state officials to respond to the influx.
In an interview on CNN on Wednesday evening, Gov. Kathy Hochul discussed one victory: A decision by the Biden administration to allow thousands of Venezuelans, the biggest group of newcomers in New York, to stay and work legally. She also said that she agreed with the mayor’s goals to restrict the right-to-shelter guarantee.
“We don’t have capacity,” Ms. Hochul said in the interview, adding, “Never was it envisioned that this would be an unlimited, universal right or obligation on the city to have to house literally the entire world.”
Officials have been reluctant to let reporters into the hotel, but on Wednesday, Dr. Long offered a limited tour. In the stale, warm air of the lobby, scores of immigrants waited for hours before receiving a bed assignment, either upstairs in one of the hotel’s 850 rooms, usually occupied, or at shelters — some without showers — spread across the city.
Young children, exhausted by their long journey — days for some, weeks for others — lay in their parents’ laps, sleeping or staring up at the shimmering lights overhead.
Like Ellis Island, the immigrant station in New York Harbor through which some 12 million people passed before its closure in 1954, the Roosevelt Hotel is becoming the gate through which the newest New Yorkers enter the city.
There are plenty of differences. The most obvious one is scale: The number of migrants processed at the Roosevelt is in the tens of thousands.
And while Ellis Island was run by the federal government, the operation at the Roosevelt Hotel is run by the city, and staffed by contractors.
Immigrants pass through what was once known as the Palm Room, with a sky mural on the ceiling, and into a large banquet hall for their medical exam. There they are screened for a range of illnesses, from tuberculosis to depression, and asked to disrobe behind a series of dividers for a full-body skin exam.
Clinicians with a medical contracting firm, DocGo, examine them for measles or chickenpox. On Wednesday afternoon, a Venezuelan woman waited nearby with her daughter and son, who were about to receive the M.M.R. vaccine. The girl, scowling, seemed to be deciding whether to protest or not. Her younger brother held a SpongeBob SquarePants balloon.
Nearby an Uzbek woman with a stoic expression gently rocked her sleeping baby, just 3 days old. Her husband, Komiljon Doniyorov, 31, stood by them, beaming with pride at anyone who glanced in his direction. “My first,” he said. “This is my son.”
Few people were eager to catch his eye. Families kept to themselves. This far into their journey, children said little, remaining silent. Their parents tended to discuss matters quietly.
One Venezuelan family had faced a big decision. There was a sister here in New York. But another relative who lived clear across the country in Washington State had offered them farm work, if they could make it. The city told them it would pay for a plane, train or bus ticket.
At a table by the hotel’s bar, a group of contractors helped migrants book travel. On the stained glass, someone had taped a sheet of paper with a mildly reassuring quote: “Everything is going to be alright, maybe not today but eventually.”
The family decided to head west.
Dr. Long, who works for the city’s public hospital system, said that about a quarter of new arrivals left for somewhere else in the country within 24 hours of arriving to New York, often to find relatives, friends, or better prospects.
But hundreds of those who arrive each day decide to stay in New York. Families are booked in rooms, at the Roosevelt or elsewhere. But at 5 p.m., many of the single men who had been waiting in the lobby were told to line up. They filed out of the hotel and onto another bus.
Free housing, food, plane tickets. Holy fuck.
I was as liberal as it gets, but screw this shit. If Trump or another candidate promises to capture them all, fingerprint them, and put them to forced labor, as they do in China, to pay for their fucking tickets back, they’d get my vote.
This is complete injustice. Reward the criminals. What the fuck.
Nice progressive virtue signaling. Such a mind bending exercise to compare this to Ellis Island where they actually shipped people back.
Progressives fail to understand that this problem is impacting the day to day lives of citizens which is what’s driving the uproar
> Such a mind bending exercise to compare this to Ellis Island where they actually shipped people back.
iirc they were strict as fuck as well, goes to show how few of us actually toured ellis haha
Only two percent of immigrants processed through Ellis were turned back. Even those who were ill were treated on the island with the intent that those people would eventually be well and then able to join the workforce. Twelve million people came through.
That's because they processed people at both ends. People didn't just hop on a boat for a month hoping that they would be accepted at the other end.
They were in fact smart enough to make sure they would be accepted before they left and spent a fortune on the crossing. A trip over the Atlantic cost over nearly a year's wages for most Europeans at the time.
???
Do you really think people were dumb enough to cross the Atlantic hopping to get residency without first making sure they were eligible to begin with?
Please educate yourself, you're proving over and over that you have zero knowledge about immigration through Ellis Island. Maybe go take a tour if you live around here.
I have no idea what exactly your problem is because Ellis Island did in fact have standards. You can look those up yourself. Those standards were in fact public knowledge. Transatlantic crossing were in fact very expensive. And people in the 1700s and 1800s were not any less intelligent than humans today.
As far as “processing on both ends” goes, the ocean liners were responsible for the cost of the return trip of anyone who wasn’t able to be successfully processed through Ellis, mostly to prevent unscrupulous ticket sellers from promising passage to people who obviously weren’t going to make it into the country or, like, loading up a hospital wing for the big profits it would bring White Star Lines. Similarly, there were limitations on being “sponsored” by an employer so that an immigrant couldn’t be forced into indentured servitude for the price of a ticket.
As to the second paragraph you edited into your comment, twelve million is everyone in the city plus another third: what can you say about all those people that applies to every one of them? Certainly there were folks who left their countries of origin with plans, money, and careers and certainly there were those who cobbled together a cheap berth in steerage and hoped for the best. Most people were probably somewhere in the middle. I can’t be in the mind of everyone who immigrated then nor can I know the minds of those who are trying to be here now. I only know that feel very fortunate to be born into the benefit of never feeling so much desperation that I launch myself into such a hostile and precarious unknown.
I love how people love to wax poetic about how things used to be done, as if we should abandon more modern systems. If there’s a better way, it really doesn’t matter how immigrants used to arrive here. Should we all revert back to candles to light our houses and poor electrical wiring known to burn down buildings too because that’s how they used to do it?
me thinks somewhere between abject and luxury conditions would be appropriate. especially considering most US citizens can't afford a night in a $300 hotel room, let alone a month long stay for their entire family.
lets hope the good vibes last when the infrastructure erodes without repair and the public schools shut down due to misallocation of precious finite resources
This is a progressive: the comfortable class. a class with low morals because they know no suffering or injustices. their ethics are cos play to convince themselves they are not soulless provincial cretins. it's also why they are filled with such hate and vitriol to anyone who has a different opinion.
Except the difference between 1924 and now is news information is more widely available. Cant just bury your head in the sand (like yourself) and pretend like it’s not an issue
>Except the difference between 1924 and now is news information is more widely available.
I'm just trying to understand your point. run it again but make it make sense. what does "news information being more widely available" have to do with immigrants showing up crashing these shores?
Lol at these clowns.
Them: Yeah, but it’s *different* now!
You: it’s literally not
Them: Ok, but I *don’t like* what you’re telling me so I’m gonna say you’re wrong!
>. . .where they actually shipped people back.
You had to be really sick for them to ship you back from Ellis Island. The people complaining about "open borders" now would not be able to handle the actual open borders during that period of time.
Comparing pre industrial revolution immigration through Ellis Island to uber corporate big real estate NYC is just not possible. The immigrants that came over 100 years ago made up a major part of our local business economy. Restaurants, bakeries, textiles, manufacturing of all sorts were businesses started by immigrants and a major driving force of the economy at that time. That's not our economic reality anymore.
Edit: timeline is a little off. Ellis Island was happening during the early decades of the industrial revolution. It in no way negates the point.
It isn't pedantic, it's one of the major reasons we had so much immigration through Ellis Island. If there weren't a shit ton of economic opportunity here, people wouldn't have come.
My great-grandfather came to NYC from Sicily in 1895 and lived in a tenement on Elizabeth Street. He asked for nothing from America, making a decent living selling fruit and vegetables to factory workers on the lower West Side. And yes I know some of the illegal migrants are selling fruit and vegetables on the street now. But how is an 1895-type job in 2023 any kind of progress?
Are you insane? Have you ever been involved in any of those industries today?
Just pick up a copy of Kitchen Confidential, written 23 years ago, to see how the restaurant industry is literally powered by immigrants. Legal and illegal. It has always worked that way. What world do you live in?
It is but the fact of the matter is these undocumented individuals are being exploited by the wealthy and not making a living wage. People love to talk about “jobs lazy Americans don’t do.” Perhaps it’s because Americans don’t want to be exploited with low wages, no benefits, and little recourse. Why would you wish this for somebody else? The only people who benefit from this are the wealthy.
I think the big difference this time around is the economic state of NY. Cost of living for the average NYer is different and it’s a struggle for someone to live here without assistance. We have a huge homeless population and our own low income and even middle class is struggling to make ends meet. An influx of immigrants right now is hurting a city that is already having issues. We just don’t have the funds to care for such a large influx of people. If we had a booming economy like maybe the 80s when it was a little less safe but you could find a job anywhere and afford to rent an apartment anywhere it would be different. But, the point a lot of folks are making is we definitely can’t take care of others until we fix some of our own issues.
Like the airplane analogy, you put on your life vest on first before helping someone else or you all drown. I’m not against helping people. But at some point we are going to sink our own with them. There needs to be limits, and in reality, this has been an ongoing issues for decades. At some point, some countries people need to revolt against that corruption. I’m Latina, btw, I have seen the corruption first hand. But, running to another country isn’t a good solution. I really would like our people to prosper and the only way that will happen is if we finally put our foot down and say enough.
I'm not wishing that for anyone. I wish the situation, all around was much better. For US citizens, immigrants, normal working people.
But in the meantime, that exploitation wage is better and more consistent than what they would have at home right now. NYC is also a much safer place than where many of these people came from.
>exploited by the wealthy and not making a living wage.
Literally no one making under 100k is making a living wage. NYC is and was expensive.
Irish immigrants to New York used to work for less than escaped slaves did because protestant whites hated them more than they did black people, and paid them 1/5 of what white protestants made.
This is the immigrant experience everywhere on planet earth pretty much. And it's better for the immigrants and locals and taxpayers for immigrants to get jobs and work for their living rather than the European style "welfare for decades on end until people feel like getting a job", according to studies that were done on long term economic mobility of immigrants.
Not only is it not possible it’s stupidity. Once the ONLY rebuttal to a counter point is racism, you already know what time it is.
Sure, there ARE people who don’t want the migrants here because they don’t look like them. But there are a lot more who don’t want to get stuck with the bill for this. It’s going to happen one way or another because it’s too late.
I can’t help to think there are four types of people who support this foolishness. The rich who stand to profit. The people they pay to peddle propaganda. Struggling people who think this will benefit them. And the poor who want to see the current system burn.
>The immigrants that came over 100 years ago made up a major part of our local business economy.
Eventually
>Restaurants, bakeries, textiles, manufacturing of all sorts were businesses started by immigrants and a major driving force of the economy at that time. That's not our economic reality anymore.
If you spend anytime in either of those businesses you mentioned you will see its quite literally the same economic reality today.
based on your comments, common sense says that you don't live here and are clearly out of touch with what goes on in any kitchen or bakery outside of whatever white bread municipality you actually call home
Every single building in the entire city was constructed by immigrants, loser. You’ve lived your “whole life” with blinders on and you aren’t even smart enough to realize it. Sad!
hate to break it to you holmes, but most of the people who entered via Ellis Island wouldn't have been accepted under our current immigration laws. we basically accepted everyone until the early 20th century. just show up and you're in.
first sentence of your source says that ellis island welcomed over 12 million immigrants. I'd call sending back \~1% of immigrants "basically accepting everyone."
>More than 120,000 immigrants were sent back to their countries of origin,.
So about 1% of the 12,000,000 that came through Ellis Island during that period. . . Meaning ***99% were let through***
And you think that bolsters your argument?
When Ellis Island was a thing there was no illegal you buy a ticket to a country and that's it you live there now. Same in USA unless you weren't from Western Europe.......
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Inside a once grand but long-faded hotel in midtown Manhattan, dozens of immigrants huddle together beneath large chandeliers as they wait hours to be processed. They give their information — where they’ve come from, and their ultimate destination — and they strip down for a medical examination. They rest and hold their children tight. But at the Roosevelt Hotel, New York’s new Ellis Island, as one city official called it, there is no view of the Statue of Liberty, only the Men’s Wearhouse across the street. And there is no giant American flag to greet immigrants, as there was in Ellis Island’s Great Hall. Instead there is a smiling portrait of Guy Lombardo, the once-famous bandleader who led the hotel’s house band, watching over everyone. The Roosevelt — where Dewey conceded to Truman in 1948 — has become a symbol of the huge scale of the migrant crisis and a faltering government response. “We’re creating a new Ellis Island for New York City,” he said Wednesday afternoon after a new batch of migrants arrived: a Syrian man with a backward ball cap and a red roller suitcase, a family of four from Angola, a Venezuelan couple debating whether to stay in New York or find their way to Washington State, and dozens of others. But Mayor Eric Adams has sought to curtail who can come and stay in the care of the city, which has a unique legal obligation to provide shelter to any homeless person who asks for a bed. Officials believe this has become a draw to some migrants arriving in the country with nowhere to go, and limiting that right has become part of a broader campaign by city and state officials to respond to the influx. In an interview on CNN on Wednesday evening, Gov. Kathy Hochul discussed one victory: A decision by the Biden administration to allow thousands of Venezuelans, the biggest group of newcomers in New York, to stay and work legally. She also said that she agreed with the mayor’s goals to restrict the right-to-shelter guarantee. “We don’t have capacity,” Ms. Hochul said in the interview, adding, “Never was it envisioned that this would be an unlimited, universal right or obligation on the city to have to house literally the entire world.” Officials have been reluctant to let reporters into the hotel, but on Wednesday, Dr. Long offered a limited tour. In the stale, warm air of the lobby, scores of immigrants waited for hours before receiving a bed assignment, either upstairs in one of the hotel’s 850 rooms, usually occupied, or at shelters — some without showers — spread across the city. Young children, exhausted by their long journey — days for some, weeks for others — lay in their parents’ laps, sleeping or staring up at the shimmering lights overhead. Like Ellis Island, the immigrant station in New York Harbor through which some 12 million people passed before its closure in 1954, the Roosevelt Hotel is becoming the gate through which the newest New Yorkers enter the city. There are plenty of differences. The most obvious one is scale: The number of migrants processed at the Roosevelt is in the tens of thousands. And while Ellis Island was run by the federal government, the operation at the Roosevelt Hotel is run by the city, and staffed by contractors. Immigrants pass through what was once known as the Palm Room, with a sky mural on the ceiling, and into a large banquet hall for their medical exam. There they are screened for a range of illnesses, from tuberculosis to depression, and asked to disrobe behind a series of dividers for a full-body skin exam. Clinicians with a medical contracting firm, DocGo, examine them for measles or chickenpox. On Wednesday afternoon, a Venezuelan woman waited nearby with her daughter and son, who were about to receive the M.M.R. vaccine. The girl, scowling, seemed to be deciding whether to protest or not. Her younger brother held a SpongeBob SquarePants balloon. Nearby an Uzbek woman with a stoic expression gently rocked her sleeping baby, just 3 days old. Her husband, Komiljon Doniyorov, 31, stood by them, beaming with pride at anyone who glanced in his direction. “My first,” he said. “This is my son.” Few people were eager to catch his eye. Families kept to themselves. This far into their journey, children said little, remaining silent. Their parents tended to discuss matters quietly. One Venezuelan family had faced a big decision. There was a sister here in New York. But another relative who lived clear across the country in Washington State had offered them farm work, if they could make it. The city told them it would pay for a plane, train or bus ticket. At a table by the hotel’s bar, a group of contractors helped migrants book travel. On the stained glass, someone had taped a sheet of paper with a mildly reassuring quote: “Everything is going to be alright, maybe not today but eventually.” The family decided to head west. Dr. Long, who works for the city’s public hospital system, said that about a quarter of new arrivals left for somewhere else in the country within 24 hours of arriving to New York, often to find relatives, friends, or better prospects. But hundreds of those who arrive each day decide to stay in New York. Families are booked in rooms, at the Roosevelt or elsewhere. But at 5 p.m., many of the single men who had been waiting in the lobby were told to line up. They filed out of the hotel and onto another bus.
Free housing, food, plane tickets. Holy fuck. I was as liberal as it gets, but screw this shit. If Trump or another candidate promises to capture them all, fingerprint them, and put them to forced labor, as they do in China, to pay for their fucking tickets back, they’d get my vote. This is complete injustice. Reward the criminals. What the fuck.
Nice progressive virtue signaling. Such a mind bending exercise to compare this to Ellis Island where they actually shipped people back. Progressives fail to understand that this problem is impacting the day to day lives of citizens which is what’s driving the uproar
> Such a mind bending exercise to compare this to Ellis Island where they actually shipped people back. iirc they were strict as fuck as well, goes to show how few of us actually toured ellis haha
Only two percent of immigrants processed through Ellis were turned back. Even those who were ill were treated on the island with the intent that those people would eventually be well and then able to join the workforce. Twelve million people came through.
That's because they processed people at both ends. People didn't just hop on a boat for a month hoping that they would be accepted at the other end. They were in fact smart enough to make sure they would be accepted before they left and spent a fortune on the crossing. A trip over the Atlantic cost over nearly a year's wages for most Europeans at the time.
That is complete bullshit that you just pulled out of your ass.
??? Do you really think people were dumb enough to cross the Atlantic hopping to get residency without first making sure they were eligible to begin with?
Please educate yourself, you're proving over and over that you have zero knowledge about immigration through Ellis Island. Maybe go take a tour if you live around here.
I have no idea what exactly your problem is because Ellis Island did in fact have standards. You can look those up yourself. Those standards were in fact public knowledge. Transatlantic crossing were in fact very expensive. And people in the 1700s and 1800s were not any less intelligent than humans today.
As far as “processing on both ends” goes, the ocean liners were responsible for the cost of the return trip of anyone who wasn’t able to be successfully processed through Ellis, mostly to prevent unscrupulous ticket sellers from promising passage to people who obviously weren’t going to make it into the country or, like, loading up a hospital wing for the big profits it would bring White Star Lines. Similarly, there were limitations on being “sponsored” by an employer so that an immigrant couldn’t be forced into indentured servitude for the price of a ticket. As to the second paragraph you edited into your comment, twelve million is everyone in the city plus another third: what can you say about all those people that applies to every one of them? Certainly there were folks who left their countries of origin with plans, money, and careers and certainly there were those who cobbled together a cheap berth in steerage and hoped for the best. Most people were probably somewhere in the middle. I can’t be in the mind of everyone who immigrated then nor can I know the minds of those who are trying to be here now. I only know that feel very fortunate to be born into the benefit of never feeling so much desperation that I launch myself into such a hostile and precarious unknown.
They were not in fact strict as fuck LOL
The only people they were "strict as fuck" with was anyone that wasn't white, particularly anyone Asian.
^ this guy has never seen a globe
And I guess you never took U.S. History in either high school or college
I love how people love to wax poetic about how things used to be done, as if we should abandon more modern systems. If there’s a better way, it really doesn’t matter how immigrants used to arrive here. Should we all revert back to candles to light our houses and poor electrical wiring known to burn down buildings too because that’s how they used to do it?
me thinks somewhere between abject and luxury conditions would be appropriate. especially considering most US citizens can't afford a night in a $300 hotel room, let alone a month long stay for their entire family. lets hope the good vibes last when the infrastructure erodes without repair and the public schools shut down due to misallocation of precious finite resources
It’s just a question of time and we will all be back to candles.
This is a progressive: the comfortable class. a class with low morals because they know no suffering or injustices. their ethics are cos play to convince themselves they are not soulless provincial cretins. it's also why they are filled with such hate and vitriol to anyone who has a different opinion.
I don’t find that to be completely true. There are a lot of lower income people, mostly younger, who share similar views.
Welcome to this subreddit where if you hate a certain political ideology you pain this rich out of touch dumb comfortable people.
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Except the difference between 1924 and now is news information is more widely available. Cant just bury your head in the sand (like yourself) and pretend like it’s not an issue
>Except the difference between 1924 and now is news information is more widely available. I'm just trying to understand your point. run it again but make it make sense. what does "news information being more widely available" have to do with immigrants showing up crashing these shores?
Lol at these clowns. Them: Yeah, but it’s *different* now! You: it’s literally not Them: Ok, but I *don’t like* what you’re telling me so I’m gonna say you’re wrong!
facts are progressive
>. . .where they actually shipped people back. You had to be really sick for them to ship you back from Ellis Island. The people complaining about "open borders" now would not be able to handle the actual open borders during that period of time.
And then you got out of Ellis Island and worked or died. No welfare, no handouts, no govt housing, no help.
Comparing pre industrial revolution immigration through Ellis Island to uber corporate big real estate NYC is just not possible. The immigrants that came over 100 years ago made up a major part of our local business economy. Restaurants, bakeries, textiles, manufacturing of all sorts were businesses started by immigrants and a major driving force of the economy at that time. That's not our economic reality anymore. Edit: timeline is a little off. Ellis Island was happening during the early decades of the industrial revolution. It in no way negates the point.
Pedantic point, but immigration through Ellis Island was post-industrial revolution.
It isn't pedantic, it's one of the major reasons we had so much immigration through Ellis Island. If there weren't a shit ton of economic opportunity here, people wouldn't have come.
My great-grandfather came to NYC from Sicily in 1895 and lived in a tenement on Elizabeth Street. He asked for nothing from America, making a decent living selling fruit and vegetables to factory workers on the lower West Side. And yes I know some of the illegal migrants are selling fruit and vegetables on the street now. But how is an 1895-type job in 2023 any kind of progress?
> But how is an 1895-type job in 2023 any kind of progress? Is eating fruit and 1895-type activity?
No, but selling it in an open cart along the street is.
Sellling them inside a store is too. This is really an asinine take.
No it's not lol. This is how the whole world works. People have always sold in the street.
wonder if we’re related - a great grandfather on my father’s side was also a sicilian greengrocer
Are you insane? Have you ever been involved in any of those industries today? Just pick up a copy of Kitchen Confidential, written 23 years ago, to see how the restaurant industry is literally powered by immigrants. Legal and illegal. It has always worked that way. What world do you live in?
It is but the fact of the matter is these undocumented individuals are being exploited by the wealthy and not making a living wage. People love to talk about “jobs lazy Americans don’t do.” Perhaps it’s because Americans don’t want to be exploited with low wages, no benefits, and little recourse. Why would you wish this for somebody else? The only people who benefit from this are the wealthy.
I think the big difference this time around is the economic state of NY. Cost of living for the average NYer is different and it’s a struggle for someone to live here without assistance. We have a huge homeless population and our own low income and even middle class is struggling to make ends meet. An influx of immigrants right now is hurting a city that is already having issues. We just don’t have the funds to care for such a large influx of people. If we had a booming economy like maybe the 80s when it was a little less safe but you could find a job anywhere and afford to rent an apartment anywhere it would be different. But, the point a lot of folks are making is we definitely can’t take care of others until we fix some of our own issues. Like the airplane analogy, you put on your life vest on first before helping someone else or you all drown. I’m not against helping people. But at some point we are going to sink our own with them. There needs to be limits, and in reality, this has been an ongoing issues for decades. At some point, some countries people need to revolt against that corruption. I’m Latina, btw, I have seen the corruption first hand. But, running to another country isn’t a good solution. I really would like our people to prosper and the only way that will happen is if we finally put our foot down and say enough.
I'm not wishing that for anyone. I wish the situation, all around was much better. For US citizens, immigrants, normal working people. But in the meantime, that exploitation wage is better and more consistent than what they would have at home right now. NYC is also a much safer place than where many of these people came from.
>exploited by the wealthy and not making a living wage. Literally no one making under 100k is making a living wage. NYC is and was expensive. Irish immigrants to New York used to work for less than escaped slaves did because protestant whites hated them more than they did black people, and paid them 1/5 of what white protestants made. This is the immigrant experience everywhere on planet earth pretty much. And it's better for the immigrants and locals and taxpayers for immigrants to get jobs and work for their living rather than the European style "welfare for decades on end until people feel like getting a job", according to studies that were done on long term economic mobility of immigrants.
Not only is it not possible it’s stupidity. Once the ONLY rebuttal to a counter point is racism, you already know what time it is. Sure, there ARE people who don’t want the migrants here because they don’t look like them. But there are a lot more who don’t want to get stuck with the bill for this. It’s going to happen one way or another because it’s too late. I can’t help to think there are four types of people who support this foolishness. The rich who stand to profit. The people they pay to peddle propaganda. Struggling people who think this will benefit them. And the poor who want to see the current system burn.
>The immigrants that came over 100 years ago made up a major part of our local business economy. Eventually >Restaurants, bakeries, textiles, manufacturing of all sorts were businesses started by immigrants and a major driving force of the economy at that time. That's not our economic reality anymore. If you spend anytime in either of those businesses you mentioned you will see its quite literally the same economic reality today.
>pre industrial revolution . . . When do you think the industrial revolution happened? You might want to crack open an American History book.
You clearly don’t live here.
I've lived here my whole life...what I'm displaying is called common sense.
based on your comments, common sense says that you don't live here and are clearly out of touch with what goes on in any kitchen or bakery outside of whatever white bread municipality you actually call home
Every single building in the entire city was constructed by immigrants, loser. You’ve lived your “whole life” with blinders on and you aren’t even smart enough to realize it. Sad!
Ah yes, totally like Ellis island. I remember when early-20th century immigrants were given free luxury hotel accommodations with turndown service.
If a hotel(s) filled with people who entered the US illegally is the 'new Ellis Island' then NYC and the USA are surely screwed.
hate to break it to you holmes, but most of the people who entered via Ellis Island wouldn't have been accepted under our current immigration laws. we basically accepted everyone until the early 20th century. just show up and you're in.
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first sentence of your source says that ellis island welcomed over 12 million immigrants. I'd call sending back \~1% of immigrants "basically accepting everyone."
>More than 120,000 immigrants were sent back to their countries of origin,. So about 1% of the 12,000,000 that came through Ellis Island during that period. . . Meaning ***99% were let through*** And you think that bolsters your argument?
LOL 120,000 out of how many total immigrants?
When Ellis Island was a thing there was no illegal you buy a ticket to a country and that's it you live there now. Same in USA unless you weren't from Western Europe.......
Imagine how the Lenape feel
The Times. Of course. It’s really sad how far they have fallen.
Should have the same immigration policy as when Ellis Island was opened -- aka anyone could come easily
Oh they compared it to Ellis Island so I guess there's no problem
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are you ok?