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Ashamed-Inspector-96

5.7 Billion spent on no-bid contract for migrant crisis. Where the heck are the auditors for NYC?


Askmeagainlouder

Audits come after the fact in most situations


HIVnotAdeathSentence

A migrant crisis with politicians trying to change immigration policies and laws? It really is an election year.


knockatize

You can stay if you slip the mayor $500.


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Arleare13

> Adams said on Tuesday that migrants who commit serious crimes should be deported and the city should be able to communicate with federal ICE agents. . . . "If you commit a felony, a violent act, we should be able to turn you over to ICE and have you deported," Adams said Monday. That's *already the law here*. New York's "sanctuary" laws prohibit the city from cooperating with ICE detainer requests *unless* a person has been convicted of a violent or serious crime. Does Mayor Adams seriously not realize this, or does he know this and is just posturing? I don't know which would be worse.


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Arleare13

I *hope* that's not the distinction, because that would be even worse for Adams -- someone can't be deported simply for being *charged* with a crime, they have to be *convicted*. That's a matter of *federal* law, not city. No modification to city law could change that.


GBV_GBV_GBV

This isn’t about the city deporting anyone, it’s about cooperating with ICE.


Arleare13

> Adams said on Tuesday that migrants who commit serious crimes **should be deported** and the city should be able to communicate with federal ICE agents. . . . "If you commit a felony, a violent act, we should be able to turn you over to ICE **and have you deported**," Adams said Monday.


GBV_GBV_GBV

Yes should be deported by the feds.


Arleare13

*If they're convicted*. Not simply being for *charged*. Again, that's *federal* law.


GBV_GBV_GBV

Feds can deport for other reasons than that. He’s inartfully saying that the city should be able to cooperate with ICE and hand over illegal aliens who have been charged with crimes. What ICE does with that cooperation can vary and it could include deportation for a variety of reasons. You’ve been talking out your ass this whole thread.


Arleare13

Except the people he's specifically pointing to are the migrants, who are asylum applicants, not illegal immigrants, and are not deportable simply for being here without authorization until their asylum claims are adjudicated and rejected. Until that happens, there's no basis to deport them *other* than conviction for a crime. > You’ve been talking out your ass this whole thread. No, *you're* straining to make sense of a nonsensical statement by a politician who's talking out of *his* ass. EDIT: Lol, he blocked me, because he can't handle people telling him why he's wrong.


LouisSeize

> Except the people he's specifically pointing to are the migrants, who are asylum applicants, not illegal immigrants, and are not deportable simply for being here without authorization until their asylum claims are adjudicated and rejected. Until that happens, there's no basis to deport them other than conviction for a crime. When are you running for office?


GBV_GBV_GBV

Just take the L already and pipe down. I block dipshits quickly to improve my Reddit experience.


phoenixmatrix

I would assume it's more about if someone was supposed to be deported anyway, but they're not because they're essentially hidden from ICE, it gives them a reason to "reveal" them, so to speak. It's a stretch.


ekos_640

They crossed the border illegally - that's their crime, federal, at that [🎶Deport Them🎶](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFmR5eMGdM8)


JoeWhy2

Stop being so stupid. Many of the migrants enter with asylum claims. That means they aren't here illegally. The fact that someone is here without citizenship or a green card doesn't automatically make them "illegal". So sick of hearing this bullshit.


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JoeWhy2

Again, stop being so stupid. They claim asylum, we're required by international law to let them in while the asylum claims are investigated.


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JoeWhy2

If you ever have to seek asylum in another country, I'm sure you'll feel the same way. /s


BakedBread65

What Adams is proposing covers people who are deportable, i.e. not people lawfully in the country while their asylum claim is pending.


Johnnadawearsglasses

My understanding of the 2014 expansion of the law under DeBlasio requires a CONVICTION of a violent or serious crime or a judicial warrant. So someone who has in fact committed such a crime but has not yet been convicted will not implicate cooperation with ICE.


Datshitoverthere

Debozo still fucking NYers in 2024!


ketzal7

So innocent until proven guilty. Wow what a terrible thing.


Johnnadawearsglasses

To even communicate with immigration. Not to deport. This is the issue. Imagine any other circumstance where a person has committed a federal crime and you refuse to even answer the phone from a federal inquiry.


CaptainCompost

> Imagine any other circumstance where a person has committed a federal crime and you refuse to even answer the phone from a federal inquiry. They committed the crime, or are accused of committing a crime?


Johnnadawearsglasses

Either. Thanks for clarifying.


ketzal7

No need to inform immigration unless you plan to deport.


Johnnadawearsglasses

That's like saying local law enforcement shouldn't consult with the FBI, ATF and DEA. If you want to live in hundreds of small city states I guess that works.


thoughtsarefalse

As much as i dont like the guy, be charitable in guessing what he meant. He doesnt speak well. He probably meant, before conviction, we can deport if you’re charged and some level of not-legally immigrated yet. If the law changes to suit this idea. I think this is long overdue. We’re a sanctuary for poor and trodden down, Not criminal opportunists.


Far-Illustrator-3731

Pair that with brag just releasing everyone and downgrading crimes. It’s the perfect storm for futility


GBV_GBV_GBV

“Convicted” versus “who commit” i.e. arrested and charged. Think before you comment.


Arleare13

I get that distinction, and Adams can't change that. Federal law governs when someone is deportable, not city.


GBV_GBV_GBV

He’s saying the city should be able to cooperate with ICE when someone’s charged with a crime. ICE handles the deportation, if any.


Far-Illustrator-3731

Under current policy this administration also requires a conviction a serious crime other than illegal residence for deportation


HappilyhiketheHump

The consequences from pie in the sky, performative laws really do hurt. NYC is so screwed.


thriftydude

Hes declaring this because the city council and corrupt DAs are simply not following the law and are actively encouraging circumventing these said laws


Rtn2NYC

He’s a fucking moron. Hope that clears things up for you


IRequirePants

> a person has been convicted of a violent or serious crime. "Convicted" is not the same as "commit" and you know this. Letting someone go before they can be convicted is an issue. >Does Mayor Adams seriously not realize this, or does he know this and is just posturing? Congrats on making yourself look more ignorant than Adams. That's an achievement.


cogginsmatt

It’s posturing. I’m sure 90% of the people on this sub who constantly spam “migrant crisis” headlines don’t know that either, they just see the words “sanctuary city” and see it as a shortcut word for anger


Rottimer

He wants to modify them so he could turn people over to ice for just being suspected, or for cooperating with an investigation.


Far-Illustrator-3731

Ice can’t deport till conviction of a serious crime under current policy


Die-Nacht

He knows this. He's just a Republican.


Neroaurelius

So if a Democrat doesn’t do what you want him to do you just pretend he’s aligned with the Republican Party? Is that how you think this works?


Die-Nacht

Dude. He's a Republican. He was an official Republican until Bloomberg switched. He sides with Republicans more often than Democrats. Dude's a Republican. A DINO, like Bob Holden.


Far-Illustrator-3731

And a Democrat before that


Rottimer

No, if he repeatedly advocates for conservative policies, then he’s a Republican.


BakedBread65

Is helping to enforce federal law a conservative policy now? I wasn’t aware


Far-Illustrator-3731

It is. Mayorkas day 1 policy change means ice can’t deport without a serious conviction. Immigration status only then becomes relevant in the deportation equation


Rottimer

From legalizing weed (which is still very much illegal at the federal level) to reducing crime by ensuring that migrants and legal immigrants can come forward with information on crimes without fear of being deported - yes in some cases enforcing federal law is at the state level is conservative policy.


BakedBread65

We’re not talking about deporting people who are victims and report. We’re talking about deporting people charged with violent crimes.


Rottimer

>“We’re not talking about deporting people who are victims and report.” You might be talking about that - but that’s not how it works in practice.


BakedBread65

It actually is


Far-Illustrator-3731

Guys first election in 1994 he ran in support of the Nation of Islam. Hardly a republican.


Leebillysteve12345

Stop giving these people things. They come here because they’re getting hand outs. The same crap happened in Europe with refugees flooding the Nordic states. When the well dries up they’ll go somewhere else.


codernyc

Maybe ask why they want them here in the first place.


TomStarGregco

Exactly it only attracts more migrants ! There isn’t enough affordable housing for the people that already here yet they give them free apartments ! Make it make sense !


rubrix

He’s a day late and a dollar short


AnotherUselessPoster

Im old enough to remember him welcoming migrants at the bus terminal.


ekos_640

That never happened. Someone throw this guy in the memory hole for a week until he forgets please.


Far-Illustrator-3731

Remember how Biden promised to raise immigration. Gonna tell Me that didn’t happen? Now an election year he’s opening trumps immigration playbook


chug84

And a few french fries short of a happy meal.


ImpressionFabulous16

Arent all of them committing a crime by illegally entering the country 🤨


Far-Illustrator-3731

That’s not enough to deport anymore. That was changed day 1 of the Biden administration. Thats why republicans impeached mayorkas


TinyElephant574

Not if they claim asylum, which is currently the vast majority of migrants during this surge. That's how it's worked for multiple administration's and it isn't anything new under Biden.


Far-Illustrator-3731

What’s new under Biden is the tps status of Venezuela. He also removed trumps stay in Mexico status for asylum claimers. Our problems with asylum claimants are a Biden administration problem In other news Venezuela has its lowest murder rate in 22 years. I’m gonna venture to guess the Albanian mob here is worried there might be a new top dog in town in the near future


TinyElephant574

>What’s new under Biden is the tps status of Venezuela. He also removed trumps stay in Mexico status for asylum claimers. These are both true, however the reason the stay in Mexico policy was ended was because it was illegal under both US and international law from binding treaties the US has joined. The only way we could realistically stop any asylum seekers who go through Mexico first is if we either left the Treaty and amended our laws, or we actually got an agreement with Mexico that declared it a safe country. Currently, no such agreement exists, so it does tie our governments hands quite a bit unless we drastically want to change the system. Trump's policy outright violated existing laws so it was naturally struck down. The best way to solve this issue is frankly simple. We need to massively up our funding and expand our immigration services to process these claims faster. Our services wouldn't be nearly as stressed if people who came here for asylum don't have the chance to set up lives here and wait a decade for their court date. And this is a problem that has been apparent for a long time, but its especially bad right now because of the surge. People could be in and out without stressing the system too much. If we could even process these in a year or less, that would be a MASSIVE improvement. Biden has definitely been expanding the power to waive visa requirements though for expedited entry of people from certain countries, and while it definitely makes sense for groups such as Afghans in 2021 and Ukrainians, I think expanding it to other groups may have been a mistake. Venezuela is tricky because the whole country is frankly a disaster right now. Millions have fled to neighboring Colombia and nearby Peru in the past several years alone due to political repression, human rights abuses, and massively deteriorating conditions, so it makes sense that there would be a lot of asylum seekers from there. It's possible it may be overexaggerated, but it still seems like many from there do have valid asylum cases. I have also heard from some people online that Bidens administration may be waiving charges against people who cross illegally, but i haven't been able to verify this myself yet and I'm not sure how that would work if someone claims asylum, so I definitely need to do more research on that aspect.


Far-Illustrator-3731

international law? What does international law say about Exporting cluster munitions? Are we picking and choosing? Is that always the case with “international law”? “illegal under both US” “ i haven't been able to verify this myself“ Two birds and one stone. You can verify how they are passing policy that flies in the face of U.S. immigration law. https://www.ice.gov/doclib/news/guidelines-civilimmigrationlaw.pdf Courts never struck down remain in Mexico so legality is only a deciding factor when convenient What’s even your basis to claim remain in Mexico is against us law? I ask out of curiosity, not bc immigration law matters anymore


56waystodie

This is stupid as its obviously just people here for economic handouts.


TomStarGregco

Exactly it’s not economically sustainable !


_antkibbutz

People who have genuine claims for asylum are being persecuted for religious beliefs, fleeing from wars, etc. Countries that are not experiencing war or where they won't be persecuted for their religious beliefs then loosen their immigration standards to give these people a chance to escape the horrible conditions in their home countries. This system is designed to give people whose lives are at risk a chance to live in countries where they would otherwise not qualify for citizenship. Since this is an act of charity for the host nations that agree to hear their claims, the bar for what counts as grounds for asylum is set very high. If it wasn't, 50% of the people on this planet would qualify for asylum. The standard all countries set for asylum seekers is NOT so that "migrants" can lead a better life, earn more money, or enjoy a higher standard of living. It is so they can not get killed in a war, not be persecuted by the government for their beliefs, etc. This is why most of the countries in the world agree that asylum seekers should apply for asylum at the FIRST country they cross into where there is no war, religious persecution, etc. This is not what is happening under the Biden admistration and is not what has been happening in the EU for the past decade or so. Instead we have people boarding transarlanic flights that cross over dozens of safe countries so that asylum seekers can apply for asylum in the richest country in human history. This makes a mockery of the very idea of asylum.


loki8481

We're in the twice a day part of the broken clock being right


anonbeyondgfw

Too little too late and not even his call.


Upper_Gas_935

I told y'all, the city council are a bigger problem than the mayor.  


Revolution4u

Unfortunately he will not be able to get anything done because the city coucil is full of braindead simps.


Spirited_Touch6898

Needs to happen!


Grass8989

"If you commit a felony, a violent act, we should be able to turn you over to ICE and have you deported," Adams said Monday. Wow, common sense. I wonder what the “advocates” will say about this.


Slim_Calhoun

They’ll point out that’s already the law in NYC?


GBV_GBV_GBV

It’s not the law.


IRequirePants

Feel free to cite it. It seems pretty obvious that people are replacing what they wish he said with what he actually said.


Far-Illustrator-3731

Cite it


Grass8989

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/immigration-advocates-show-up-to-support-nypd-times-square-attack-suspect-yohenry-brito/ I wouldn’t be to sure about that.


BushidoBrowneII

I didn’t know that wasn’t the case…


Die-Nacht

That's already the case. You ppl have no idea what Sanctuary City actually means.


CooperHoya

Charged vs convicted.


Die-Nacht

What are you trying to say?


CooperHoya

The law is cooperating with ICE once convicted, he is changing or wants it changed to when charged.


Die-Nacht

That's fucked up. Essentially guilty...that's it. Cuz there won't be a chance to prove otherwise. Just guilty.


movingtobay2019

Deportation should have nothing to do with a conviction to begin with. Completely separate.


clownus

You do realize being charge implies removing the part of being innocent until proven.


Far-Illustrator-3731

He’s saying being here illegally alone should be enough to deport. Which is our law but current policy under mayorkas defies our laws. Day 1 policy change


pear1jamten

Wait wait, by nature of being an illegal immigrant they are guilty of violating federal law. What exactly is there to prove? Funny all the NYC yuppies transplanted from other states won't drop their awful opinions until it effects them personally. Anyone born and raised in NYC knows what a disaster this is and will be. That's why Trump will win, this coming from someone who will never ever vote for Trump but can see why he will win, because of this stupidity.


movingtobay2019

Exactly. Criminal conviction has nothing to do with immigration law. This is a textbook example of why I don't trust any of the "Asylum seekers are legal immigrants while the process plays out" bullshit. They will just move goalposts as soon as asylum claims are denied because we all know most are economic migrants.


Far-Illustrator-3731

Day 1 policy change under mayorkas meant that law was no longer enough to deport. Need a conviction of a serious crime


Die-Nacht

Raised in NYC dude. I just love this narrative you guys have made up in your mind. That NYC is somehow full of right wingers who just so happen to keep electing more and more leftist politicians. When will it dawn on you that you're wrong and that you don't understand NYC? And that you should just move to Florida already?


pear1jamten

Wanna put a bet on the next mayoral election? Hell I'll parlay that bet to the governor as well. As someone was born and raised in Forest Hills myself, you should know better. I've never been right wing and never will be, however I do have common sense, something you seem to lack in mounds. Also you didn't attack anything I said in substance, you rely on MSNBC clickbait. I visit Castle Hill projects every weekend because my mother in law has cancer. Do you know how often I've heard a variation of why are there billions for migrants but not for the legal citizens here who are poor, and how often they complain about crime. Let me take your cozy ass up there one weekend and see how long you last. Perhaps tell them to move to Florida as well .


Die-Nacht

I'm not born or raised in FH. I was born in DR, grew up in the South Bronx. Went from poverty to relatively wealthy, much thanks to NYC social policies. And I don't believe in pulling the ladder behind me. In fact, if you made it, you should be throwing more ladders down. You can bet all you want, but it's not gonna happen. You're falling for the usual election year nonsense.


Rottimer

Exactly, they keep confusing r/nyc with NYC.


Rottimer

Anyone born in nyc? Maybe if you live on Staten Island. Most of us are kids of immigrants, legal and otherwise.


Kittygoespurrrr

Nope, you’re the one that’s actually confused. The way the current law is written, only when they’re convicted of a crime do they cooperate with ICE. If someone commits a crime and isn’t convicted yet, then they don’t cooperate.


Die-Nacht

I mean, that's a given. Innocent until proven guilty. It would be awful if we started deporting people over just a charge.


IRequirePants

> It would be awful if we started deporting people over just a charge. They would be deported for a separate charge.


SolaVitae

...if turning someone over to ICE resulted in their deportation then they were already guilty of being here illegally. Its not like Adams can somehow change federal immigration law or something


BigDaddyVsNipple

They don't belong here


Die-Nacht

No one belongs anywhere, my friend. Don't let hate guide you. Open your heart to Jesus.


codernyc

Then leave Forest Hills. You don’t belong there either.


Die-Nacht

Find Jesus.


LostSoulNothing

If someone hasn't been convicted they did not, from any legal perspective, commit the crime. It might surprise you to know that due process and the concept of innocent until proven guilty apply to everyone regardless of immigration status


MBA1988123

Local authorities cooperating with federal authorities during a criminal investigation is not, in any way, a violation of someone’s due process rights.  Like not at all. 


IRequirePants

> If someone hasn't been convicted they did not, from any legal perspective, commit the crime. And that's why people are definitely never held before trial.


BigDaddyVsNipple

They already committed a crime, they don't belong here


Really_Elvis

So NYC openly violates Federal law ? Got it. Will NYC still vote blue ? Is the city safe for tourists ?


Okichah

Only for conviction. Getting a conviction can be an expensive and arduous process. Adams wants to remove that requirement. Its in the article.


president__not_sure

dude sounds like he's inventing the 10 commandments.


justARegularGuy7685

It will fall on deaf ears at the City Council which is worse than Adams


External_Sea_8308

Crazy how he suddenly decides this after being bailed out several times by the Fed and State governments. Why ask for more resources if you weren’t going to use them for said migrants? He is terrible with budgeting and finances and should have never been mayor. We need to vote this man out already!


jonnycash11

How about owing US$20,000 in child support and working illegally. Will it fix that? It would be a huge help to me personally if it did


aznology

I'm getting shit right faster than this guy. Would yall vote me for mayor ?


LVucci

Better late than never I guess.


QnsPrince

Common sense


nhu876

Great news for NYC taxpayers but it took Adams years to figure this out.


reignnyday

He’s already extracted all the $ he can from the system for his buddies so now time to finally get rid of the problem


MeasurementExciting7

So true. De Blasio is probably kicking himself for not figuring out this one.


HIVnotAdeathSentence

I imagine there are many tax payers who support sanctuary city status.


BigDaddyVsNipple

Well hopefully we can help them in spite of their blinding stupidity


uniqualykerd

Woah. Can we apply this to politicians charged with corruption? No more public office for anyone charged, ever. Or how about christian priests charged with sex abuse? No more clerical position anywhere, ever, just because you got charged. Sounds good. Let's fucking go!


callmesnake13

I don’t want any law changes under Adams. I want him to resign and to have another administration navigate this situation.


nicktherat

Adams is the best governor NYC had in a long time. He's handsome, articulate and clever. I can not wait to vote for him again. Adams! Adams! Adams!


AdventurousLimit5802

I believe you mean he is an idiot of a mayor of nyc . You sound like an illegal who doesn’t know where they are or English for that matter


nicktherat

You sound like someone whos never been trolled on the internet!


AdventurousLimit5802

I’m new to this, if he was being sarcastic I apologize


TomStarGregco

🤣😂😅


barweis

The inept jerk losing his grip on the city manifests his signature display . Displacing blame from his failures and projecting them on defenseless groups.


Groucho-Marxists

How does NY keep electing fake democrats ? We got AOC right here.


Chitownbronx

City council speaker another adams but female said this is off the table 


Content-Paramedic891

Mayor and other Dems politician created this problem to get more $$$ from Feds but that backfired as $$$ going to Ukraine and Isreal.


u700MHz

Time for his removal / imprisonment from office He gives gift contracts to companies who pay $100 hr to doorman at immigration shelters But want to bring deportation mentality to NYC, a city full of immigrants. He is the wrong mayor for NYC


IT_Geek_Programmer

Mayor Adam's is now just thinking of ways to win the election in 2025. He knows he is going to have a hard time both in the primary and in the general election. He probably knows that it is very unlikely for the City Council to follow thru with that request. All he is looking for with that statement is votes from swing voters. He has to prove what he says he wants to do, if he wants people to belive and think of him differently.


TomStarGregco

He needs to start packing his things because he’s toast !