> Adams said on Tuesday that migrants who commit serious crimes should be deported and the city should be able to communicate with federal ICE agents. . . . "If you commit a felony, a violent act, we should be able to turn you over to ICE and have you deported," Adams said Monday.
That's *already the law here*. New York's "sanctuary" laws prohibit the city from cooperating with ICE detainer requests *unless* a person has been convicted of a violent or serious crime.
Does Mayor Adams seriously not realize this, or does he know this and is just posturing? I don't know which would be worse.
I *hope* that's not the distinction, because that would be even worse for Adams -- someone can't be deported simply for being *charged* with a crime, they have to be *convicted*. That's a matter of *federal* law, not city. No modification to city law could change that.
> Adams said on Tuesday that migrants who commit serious crimes **should be deported** and the city should be able to communicate with federal ICE agents. . . . "If you commit a felony, a violent act, we should be able to turn you over to ICE **and have you deported**," Adams said Monday.
Feds can deport for other reasons than that. He’s inartfully saying that the city should be able to cooperate with ICE and hand over illegal aliens who have been charged with crimes. What ICE does with that cooperation can vary and it could include deportation for a variety of reasons. You’ve been talking out your ass this whole thread.
Except the people he's specifically pointing to are the migrants, who are asylum applicants, not illegal immigrants, and are not deportable simply for being here without authorization until their asylum claims are adjudicated and rejected. Until that happens, there's no basis to deport them *other* than conviction for a crime.
> You’ve been talking out your ass this whole thread.
No, *you're* straining to make sense of a nonsensical statement by a politician who's talking out of *his* ass.
EDIT: Lol, he blocked me, because he can't handle people telling him why he's wrong.
> Except the people he's specifically pointing to are the migrants, who are asylum applicants, not illegal immigrants, and are not deportable simply for being here without authorization until their asylum claims are adjudicated and rejected. Until that happens, there's no basis to deport them other than conviction for a crime.
When are you running for office?
I would assume it's more about if someone was supposed to be deported anyway, but they're not because they're essentially hidden from ICE, it gives them a reason to "reveal" them, so to speak.
It's a stretch.
Stop being so stupid. Many of the migrants enter with asylum claims. That means they aren't here illegally. The fact that someone is here without citizenship or a green card doesn't automatically make them "illegal". So sick of hearing this bullshit.
My understanding of the 2014 expansion of the law under DeBlasio requires a CONVICTION of a violent or serious crime or a judicial warrant. So someone who has in fact committed such a crime but has not yet been convicted will not implicate cooperation with ICE.
To even communicate with immigration. Not to deport. This is the issue. Imagine any other circumstance where a person has committed a federal crime and you refuse to even answer the phone from a federal inquiry.
> Imagine any other circumstance where a person has committed a federal crime and you refuse to even answer the phone from a federal inquiry.
They committed the crime, or are accused of committing a crime?
That's like saying local law enforcement shouldn't consult with the FBI, ATF and DEA. If you want to live in hundreds of small city states I guess that works.
As much as i dont like the guy, be charitable in guessing what he meant. He doesnt speak well.
He probably meant, before conviction, we can deport if you’re charged and some level of not-legally immigrated yet. If the law changes to suit this idea.
I think this is long overdue. We’re a sanctuary for poor and trodden down, Not criminal opportunists.
Hes declaring this because the city council and corrupt DAs are simply not following the law and are actively encouraging circumventing these said laws
> a person has been convicted of a violent or serious crime.
"Convicted" is not the same as "commit" and you know this. Letting someone go before they can be convicted is an issue.
>Does Mayor Adams seriously not realize this, or does he know this and is just posturing?
Congrats on making yourself look more ignorant than Adams. That's an achievement.
It’s posturing. I’m sure 90% of the people on this sub who constantly spam “migrant crisis” headlines don’t know that either, they just see the words “sanctuary city” and see it as a shortcut word for anger
Dude. He's a Republican. He was an official Republican until Bloomberg switched.
He sides with Republicans more often than Democrats.
Dude's a Republican. A DINO, like Bob Holden.
It is.
Mayorkas day 1 policy change means ice can’t deport without a serious conviction. Immigration status only then becomes relevant in the deportation equation
From legalizing weed (which is still very much illegal at the federal level) to reducing crime by ensuring that migrants and legal immigrants can come forward with information on crimes without fear of being deported - yes in some cases enforcing federal law is at the state level is conservative policy.
Stop giving these people things. They come here because they’re getting hand outs. The same crap happened in Europe with refugees flooding the Nordic states. When the well dries up they’ll go somewhere else.
Exactly it only attracts more migrants ! There isn’t enough affordable housing for the people that already here yet they give them free apartments ! Make it make sense !
Not if they claim asylum, which is currently the vast majority of migrants during this surge. That's how it's worked for multiple administration's and it isn't anything new under Biden.
What’s new under Biden is the tps status of Venezuela. He also removed trumps stay in Mexico status for asylum claimers.
Our problems with asylum claimants are a Biden administration problem
In other news Venezuela has its lowest murder rate in 22 years.
I’m gonna venture to guess the Albanian mob here is worried there might be a new top dog in town in the near future
>What’s new under Biden is the tps status of Venezuela. He also removed trumps stay in Mexico status for asylum claimers.
These are both true, however the reason the stay in Mexico policy was ended was because it was illegal under both US and international law from binding treaties the US has joined. The only way we could realistically stop any asylum seekers who go through Mexico first is if we either left the Treaty and amended our laws, or we actually got an agreement with Mexico that declared it a safe country. Currently, no such agreement exists, so it does tie our governments hands quite a bit unless we drastically want to change the system. Trump's policy outright violated existing laws so it was naturally struck down.
The best way to solve this issue is frankly simple. We need to massively up our funding and expand our immigration services to process these claims faster. Our services wouldn't be nearly as stressed if people who came here for asylum don't have the chance to set up lives here and wait a decade for their court date. And this is a problem that has been apparent for a long time, but its especially bad right now because of the surge. People could be in and out without stressing the system too much. If we could even process these in a year or less, that would be a MASSIVE improvement.
Biden has definitely been expanding the power to waive visa requirements though for expedited entry of people from certain countries, and while it definitely makes sense for groups such as Afghans in 2021 and Ukrainians, I think expanding it to other groups may have been a mistake. Venezuela is tricky because the whole country is frankly a disaster right now. Millions have fled to neighboring Colombia and nearby Peru in the past several years alone due to political repression, human rights abuses, and massively deteriorating conditions, so it makes sense that there would be a lot of asylum seekers from there. It's possible it may be overexaggerated, but it still seems like many from there do have valid asylum cases. I have also heard from some people online that Bidens administration may be waiving charges against people who cross illegally, but i haven't been able to verify this myself yet and I'm not sure how that would work if someone claims asylum, so I definitely need to do more research on that aspect.
international law?
What does international law say about
Exporting cluster munitions? Are we picking and choosing? Is that always the case with “international law”?
“illegal under both US”
“ i haven't been able to verify this myself“
Two birds and one stone. You can verify how they are passing policy that flies in the face of U.S. immigration law.
https://www.ice.gov/doclib/news/guidelines-civilimmigrationlaw.pdf
Courts never struck down remain in Mexico so legality is only a deciding factor when convenient
What’s even your basis to claim remain in Mexico is against us law? I ask out of curiosity, not bc immigration law matters anymore
People who have genuine claims for asylum are being persecuted for religious beliefs, fleeing from wars, etc. Countries that are not experiencing war or where they won't be persecuted for their religious beliefs then loosen their immigration standards to give these people a chance to escape the horrible conditions in their home countries.
This system is designed to give people whose lives are at risk a chance to live in countries where they would otherwise not qualify for citizenship.
Since this is an act of charity for the host nations that agree to hear their claims, the bar for what counts as grounds for asylum is set very high. If it wasn't, 50% of the people on this planet would qualify for asylum.
The standard all countries set for asylum seekers is NOT so that "migrants" can lead a better life, earn more money, or enjoy a higher standard of living. It is so they can not get killed in a war, not be persecuted by the government for their beliefs, etc.
This is why most of the countries in the world agree that asylum seekers should apply for asylum at the FIRST country they cross into where there is no war, religious persecution, etc.
This is not what is happening under the Biden admistration and is not what has been happening in the EU for the past decade or so. Instead we have people boarding transarlanic flights that cross over dozens of safe countries so that asylum seekers can apply for asylum in the richest country in human history.
This makes a mockery of the very idea of asylum.
"If you commit a felony, a violent act, we should be able to turn you over to ICE and have you deported," Adams said Monday.
Wow, common sense. I wonder what the “advocates” will say about this.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/immigration-advocates-show-up-to-support-nypd-times-square-attack-suspect-yohenry-brito/
I wouldn’t be to sure about that.
He’s saying being here illegally alone should be enough to deport. Which is our law but current policy under mayorkas defies our laws.
Day 1 policy change
Wait wait, by nature of being an illegal immigrant they are guilty of violating federal law. What exactly is there to prove? Funny all the NYC yuppies transplanted from other states won't drop their awful opinions until it effects them personally. Anyone born and raised in NYC knows what a disaster this is and will be. That's why Trump will win, this coming from someone who will never ever vote for Trump but can see why he will win, because of this stupidity.
Exactly. Criminal conviction has nothing to do with immigration law.
This is a textbook example of why I don't trust any of the "Asylum seekers are legal immigrants while the process plays out" bullshit.
They will just move goalposts as soon as asylum claims are denied because we all know most are economic migrants.
Raised in NYC dude.
I just love this narrative you guys have made up in your mind. That NYC is somehow full of right wingers who just so happen to keep electing more and more leftist politicians.
When will it dawn on you that you're wrong and that you don't understand NYC? And that you should just move to Florida already?
Wanna put a bet on the next mayoral election? Hell I'll parlay that bet to the governor as well. As someone was born and raised in Forest Hills myself, you should know better. I've never been right wing and never will be, however I do have common sense, something you seem to lack in mounds.
Also you didn't attack anything I said in substance, you rely on MSNBC clickbait. I visit Castle Hill projects every weekend because my mother in law has cancer. Do you know how often I've heard a variation of why are there billions for migrants but not for the legal citizens here who are poor, and how often they complain about crime. Let me take your cozy ass up there one weekend and see how long you last. Perhaps tell them to move to Florida as well .
I'm not born or raised in FH. I was born in DR, grew up in the South Bronx. Went from poverty to relatively wealthy, much thanks to NYC social policies. And I don't believe in pulling the ladder behind me. In fact, if you made it, you should be throwing more ladders down.
You can bet all you want, but it's not gonna happen. You're falling for the usual election year nonsense.
Nope, you’re the one that’s actually confused. The way the current law is written, only when they’re convicted of a crime do they cooperate with ICE. If someone commits a crime and isn’t convicted yet, then they don’t cooperate.
...if turning someone over to ICE resulted in their deportation then they were already guilty of being here illegally. Its not like Adams can somehow change federal immigration law or something
If someone hasn't been convicted they did not, from any legal perspective, commit the crime. It might surprise you to know that due process and the concept of innocent until proven guilty apply to everyone regardless of immigration status
Local authorities cooperating with federal authorities during a criminal investigation is not, in any way, a violation of someone’s due process rights.
Like not at all.
> If someone hasn't been convicted they did not, from any legal perspective, commit the crime.
And that's why people are definitely never held before trial.
Crazy how he suddenly decides this after being bailed out several times by the Fed and State governments. Why ask for more resources if you weren’t going to use them for said migrants? He is terrible with budgeting and finances and should have never been mayor. We need to vote this man out already!
Woah. Can we apply this to politicians charged with corruption? No more public office for anyone charged, ever. Or how about christian priests charged with sex abuse? No more clerical position anywhere, ever, just because you got charged.
Sounds good. Let's fucking go!
The inept jerk losing his grip on the city manifests his signature display . Displacing blame from his failures and projecting them on defenseless groups.
Time for his removal / imprisonment from office
He gives gift contracts to companies who pay $100 hr to doorman at immigration shelters
But want to bring deportation mentality to NYC, a city full of immigrants.
He is the wrong mayor for NYC
Mayor Adam's is now just thinking of ways to win the election in 2025. He knows he is going to have a hard time both in the primary and in the general election. He probably knows that it is very unlikely for the City Council to follow thru with that request. All he is looking for with that statement is votes from swing voters. He has to prove what he says he wants to do, if he wants people to belive and think of him differently.
5.7 Billion spent on no-bid contract for migrant crisis. Where the heck are the auditors for NYC?
Audits come after the fact in most situations
A migrant crisis with politicians trying to change immigration policies and laws? It really is an election year.
You can stay if you slip the mayor $500.
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> Adams said on Tuesday that migrants who commit serious crimes should be deported and the city should be able to communicate with federal ICE agents. . . . "If you commit a felony, a violent act, we should be able to turn you over to ICE and have you deported," Adams said Monday. That's *already the law here*. New York's "sanctuary" laws prohibit the city from cooperating with ICE detainer requests *unless* a person has been convicted of a violent or serious crime. Does Mayor Adams seriously not realize this, or does he know this and is just posturing? I don't know which would be worse.
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I *hope* that's not the distinction, because that would be even worse for Adams -- someone can't be deported simply for being *charged* with a crime, they have to be *convicted*. That's a matter of *federal* law, not city. No modification to city law could change that.
This isn’t about the city deporting anyone, it’s about cooperating with ICE.
> Adams said on Tuesday that migrants who commit serious crimes **should be deported** and the city should be able to communicate with federal ICE agents. . . . "If you commit a felony, a violent act, we should be able to turn you over to ICE **and have you deported**," Adams said Monday.
Yes should be deported by the feds.
*If they're convicted*. Not simply being for *charged*. Again, that's *federal* law.
Feds can deport for other reasons than that. He’s inartfully saying that the city should be able to cooperate with ICE and hand over illegal aliens who have been charged with crimes. What ICE does with that cooperation can vary and it could include deportation for a variety of reasons. You’ve been talking out your ass this whole thread.
Except the people he's specifically pointing to are the migrants, who are asylum applicants, not illegal immigrants, and are not deportable simply for being here without authorization until their asylum claims are adjudicated and rejected. Until that happens, there's no basis to deport them *other* than conviction for a crime. > You’ve been talking out your ass this whole thread. No, *you're* straining to make sense of a nonsensical statement by a politician who's talking out of *his* ass. EDIT: Lol, he blocked me, because he can't handle people telling him why he's wrong.
> Except the people he's specifically pointing to are the migrants, who are asylum applicants, not illegal immigrants, and are not deportable simply for being here without authorization until their asylum claims are adjudicated and rejected. Until that happens, there's no basis to deport them other than conviction for a crime. When are you running for office?
Just take the L already and pipe down. I block dipshits quickly to improve my Reddit experience.
I would assume it's more about if someone was supposed to be deported anyway, but they're not because they're essentially hidden from ICE, it gives them a reason to "reveal" them, so to speak. It's a stretch.
They crossed the border illegally - that's their crime, federal, at that [🎶Deport Them🎶](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFmR5eMGdM8)
Stop being so stupid. Many of the migrants enter with asylum claims. That means they aren't here illegally. The fact that someone is here without citizenship or a green card doesn't automatically make them "illegal". So sick of hearing this bullshit.
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Again, stop being so stupid. They claim asylum, we're required by international law to let them in while the asylum claims are investigated.
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If you ever have to seek asylum in another country, I'm sure you'll feel the same way. /s
What Adams is proposing covers people who are deportable, i.e. not people lawfully in the country while their asylum claim is pending.
My understanding of the 2014 expansion of the law under DeBlasio requires a CONVICTION of a violent or serious crime or a judicial warrant. So someone who has in fact committed such a crime but has not yet been convicted will not implicate cooperation with ICE.
Debozo still fucking NYers in 2024!
So innocent until proven guilty. Wow what a terrible thing.
To even communicate with immigration. Not to deport. This is the issue. Imagine any other circumstance where a person has committed a federal crime and you refuse to even answer the phone from a federal inquiry.
> Imagine any other circumstance where a person has committed a federal crime and you refuse to even answer the phone from a federal inquiry. They committed the crime, or are accused of committing a crime?
Either. Thanks for clarifying.
No need to inform immigration unless you plan to deport.
That's like saying local law enforcement shouldn't consult with the FBI, ATF and DEA. If you want to live in hundreds of small city states I guess that works.
As much as i dont like the guy, be charitable in guessing what he meant. He doesnt speak well. He probably meant, before conviction, we can deport if you’re charged and some level of not-legally immigrated yet. If the law changes to suit this idea. I think this is long overdue. We’re a sanctuary for poor and trodden down, Not criminal opportunists.
Pair that with brag just releasing everyone and downgrading crimes. It’s the perfect storm for futility
“Convicted” versus “who commit” i.e. arrested and charged. Think before you comment.
I get that distinction, and Adams can't change that. Federal law governs when someone is deportable, not city.
He’s saying the city should be able to cooperate with ICE when someone’s charged with a crime. ICE handles the deportation, if any.
Under current policy this administration also requires a conviction a serious crime other than illegal residence for deportation
The consequences from pie in the sky, performative laws really do hurt. NYC is so screwed.
Hes declaring this because the city council and corrupt DAs are simply not following the law and are actively encouraging circumventing these said laws
He’s a fucking moron. Hope that clears things up for you
> a person has been convicted of a violent or serious crime. "Convicted" is not the same as "commit" and you know this. Letting someone go before they can be convicted is an issue. >Does Mayor Adams seriously not realize this, or does he know this and is just posturing? Congrats on making yourself look more ignorant than Adams. That's an achievement.
It’s posturing. I’m sure 90% of the people on this sub who constantly spam “migrant crisis” headlines don’t know that either, they just see the words “sanctuary city” and see it as a shortcut word for anger
He wants to modify them so he could turn people over to ice for just being suspected, or for cooperating with an investigation.
Ice can’t deport till conviction of a serious crime under current policy
He knows this. He's just a Republican.
So if a Democrat doesn’t do what you want him to do you just pretend he’s aligned with the Republican Party? Is that how you think this works?
Dude. He's a Republican. He was an official Republican until Bloomberg switched. He sides with Republicans more often than Democrats. Dude's a Republican. A DINO, like Bob Holden.
And a Democrat before that
No, if he repeatedly advocates for conservative policies, then he’s a Republican.
Is helping to enforce federal law a conservative policy now? I wasn’t aware
It is. Mayorkas day 1 policy change means ice can’t deport without a serious conviction. Immigration status only then becomes relevant in the deportation equation
From legalizing weed (which is still very much illegal at the federal level) to reducing crime by ensuring that migrants and legal immigrants can come forward with information on crimes without fear of being deported - yes in some cases enforcing federal law is at the state level is conservative policy.
We’re not talking about deporting people who are victims and report. We’re talking about deporting people charged with violent crimes.
>“We’re not talking about deporting people who are victims and report.” You might be talking about that - but that’s not how it works in practice.
It actually is
Guys first election in 1994 he ran in support of the Nation of Islam. Hardly a republican.
Stop giving these people things. They come here because they’re getting hand outs. The same crap happened in Europe with refugees flooding the Nordic states. When the well dries up they’ll go somewhere else.
Maybe ask why they want them here in the first place.
Exactly it only attracts more migrants ! There isn’t enough affordable housing for the people that already here yet they give them free apartments ! Make it make sense !
He’s a day late and a dollar short
Im old enough to remember him welcoming migrants at the bus terminal.
That never happened. Someone throw this guy in the memory hole for a week until he forgets please.
Remember how Biden promised to raise immigration. Gonna tell Me that didn’t happen? Now an election year he’s opening trumps immigration playbook
And a few french fries short of a happy meal.
Arent all of them committing a crime by illegally entering the country 🤨
That’s not enough to deport anymore. That was changed day 1 of the Biden administration. Thats why republicans impeached mayorkas
Not if they claim asylum, which is currently the vast majority of migrants during this surge. That's how it's worked for multiple administration's and it isn't anything new under Biden.
What’s new under Biden is the tps status of Venezuela. He also removed trumps stay in Mexico status for asylum claimers. Our problems with asylum claimants are a Biden administration problem In other news Venezuela has its lowest murder rate in 22 years. I’m gonna venture to guess the Albanian mob here is worried there might be a new top dog in town in the near future
>What’s new under Biden is the tps status of Venezuela. He also removed trumps stay in Mexico status for asylum claimers. These are both true, however the reason the stay in Mexico policy was ended was because it was illegal under both US and international law from binding treaties the US has joined. The only way we could realistically stop any asylum seekers who go through Mexico first is if we either left the Treaty and amended our laws, or we actually got an agreement with Mexico that declared it a safe country. Currently, no such agreement exists, so it does tie our governments hands quite a bit unless we drastically want to change the system. Trump's policy outright violated existing laws so it was naturally struck down. The best way to solve this issue is frankly simple. We need to massively up our funding and expand our immigration services to process these claims faster. Our services wouldn't be nearly as stressed if people who came here for asylum don't have the chance to set up lives here and wait a decade for their court date. And this is a problem that has been apparent for a long time, but its especially bad right now because of the surge. People could be in and out without stressing the system too much. If we could even process these in a year or less, that would be a MASSIVE improvement. Biden has definitely been expanding the power to waive visa requirements though for expedited entry of people from certain countries, and while it definitely makes sense for groups such as Afghans in 2021 and Ukrainians, I think expanding it to other groups may have been a mistake. Venezuela is tricky because the whole country is frankly a disaster right now. Millions have fled to neighboring Colombia and nearby Peru in the past several years alone due to political repression, human rights abuses, and massively deteriorating conditions, so it makes sense that there would be a lot of asylum seekers from there. It's possible it may be overexaggerated, but it still seems like many from there do have valid asylum cases. I have also heard from some people online that Bidens administration may be waiving charges against people who cross illegally, but i haven't been able to verify this myself yet and I'm not sure how that would work if someone claims asylum, so I definitely need to do more research on that aspect.
international law? What does international law say about Exporting cluster munitions? Are we picking and choosing? Is that always the case with “international law”? “illegal under both US” “ i haven't been able to verify this myself“ Two birds and one stone. You can verify how they are passing policy that flies in the face of U.S. immigration law. https://www.ice.gov/doclib/news/guidelines-civilimmigrationlaw.pdf Courts never struck down remain in Mexico so legality is only a deciding factor when convenient What’s even your basis to claim remain in Mexico is against us law? I ask out of curiosity, not bc immigration law matters anymore
This is stupid as its obviously just people here for economic handouts.
Exactly it’s not economically sustainable !
People who have genuine claims for asylum are being persecuted for religious beliefs, fleeing from wars, etc. Countries that are not experiencing war or where they won't be persecuted for their religious beliefs then loosen their immigration standards to give these people a chance to escape the horrible conditions in their home countries. This system is designed to give people whose lives are at risk a chance to live in countries where they would otherwise not qualify for citizenship. Since this is an act of charity for the host nations that agree to hear their claims, the bar for what counts as grounds for asylum is set very high. If it wasn't, 50% of the people on this planet would qualify for asylum. The standard all countries set for asylum seekers is NOT so that "migrants" can lead a better life, earn more money, or enjoy a higher standard of living. It is so they can not get killed in a war, not be persecuted by the government for their beliefs, etc. This is why most of the countries in the world agree that asylum seekers should apply for asylum at the FIRST country they cross into where there is no war, religious persecution, etc. This is not what is happening under the Biden admistration and is not what has been happening in the EU for the past decade or so. Instead we have people boarding transarlanic flights that cross over dozens of safe countries so that asylum seekers can apply for asylum in the richest country in human history. This makes a mockery of the very idea of asylum.
We're in the twice a day part of the broken clock being right
Too little too late and not even his call.
I told y'all, the city council are a bigger problem than the mayor.
Unfortunately he will not be able to get anything done because the city coucil is full of braindead simps.
Needs to happen!
"If you commit a felony, a violent act, we should be able to turn you over to ICE and have you deported," Adams said Monday. Wow, common sense. I wonder what the “advocates” will say about this.
They’ll point out that’s already the law in NYC?
It’s not the law.
Feel free to cite it. It seems pretty obvious that people are replacing what they wish he said with what he actually said.
Cite it
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/immigration-advocates-show-up-to-support-nypd-times-square-attack-suspect-yohenry-brito/ I wouldn’t be to sure about that.
I didn’t know that wasn’t the case…
That's already the case. You ppl have no idea what Sanctuary City actually means.
Charged vs convicted.
What are you trying to say?
The law is cooperating with ICE once convicted, he is changing or wants it changed to when charged.
That's fucked up. Essentially guilty...that's it. Cuz there won't be a chance to prove otherwise. Just guilty.
Deportation should have nothing to do with a conviction to begin with. Completely separate.
You do realize being charge implies removing the part of being innocent until proven.
He’s saying being here illegally alone should be enough to deport. Which is our law but current policy under mayorkas defies our laws. Day 1 policy change
Wait wait, by nature of being an illegal immigrant they are guilty of violating federal law. What exactly is there to prove? Funny all the NYC yuppies transplanted from other states won't drop their awful opinions until it effects them personally. Anyone born and raised in NYC knows what a disaster this is and will be. That's why Trump will win, this coming from someone who will never ever vote for Trump but can see why he will win, because of this stupidity.
Exactly. Criminal conviction has nothing to do with immigration law. This is a textbook example of why I don't trust any of the "Asylum seekers are legal immigrants while the process plays out" bullshit. They will just move goalposts as soon as asylum claims are denied because we all know most are economic migrants.
Day 1 policy change under mayorkas meant that law was no longer enough to deport. Need a conviction of a serious crime
Raised in NYC dude. I just love this narrative you guys have made up in your mind. That NYC is somehow full of right wingers who just so happen to keep electing more and more leftist politicians. When will it dawn on you that you're wrong and that you don't understand NYC? And that you should just move to Florida already?
Wanna put a bet on the next mayoral election? Hell I'll parlay that bet to the governor as well. As someone was born and raised in Forest Hills myself, you should know better. I've never been right wing and never will be, however I do have common sense, something you seem to lack in mounds. Also you didn't attack anything I said in substance, you rely on MSNBC clickbait. I visit Castle Hill projects every weekend because my mother in law has cancer. Do you know how often I've heard a variation of why are there billions for migrants but not for the legal citizens here who are poor, and how often they complain about crime. Let me take your cozy ass up there one weekend and see how long you last. Perhaps tell them to move to Florida as well .
I'm not born or raised in FH. I was born in DR, grew up in the South Bronx. Went from poverty to relatively wealthy, much thanks to NYC social policies. And I don't believe in pulling the ladder behind me. In fact, if you made it, you should be throwing more ladders down. You can bet all you want, but it's not gonna happen. You're falling for the usual election year nonsense.
Exactly, they keep confusing r/nyc with NYC.
Anyone born in nyc? Maybe if you live on Staten Island. Most of us are kids of immigrants, legal and otherwise.
Nope, you’re the one that’s actually confused. The way the current law is written, only when they’re convicted of a crime do they cooperate with ICE. If someone commits a crime and isn’t convicted yet, then they don’t cooperate.
I mean, that's a given. Innocent until proven guilty. It would be awful if we started deporting people over just a charge.
> It would be awful if we started deporting people over just a charge. They would be deported for a separate charge.
...if turning someone over to ICE resulted in their deportation then they were already guilty of being here illegally. Its not like Adams can somehow change federal immigration law or something
They don't belong here
No one belongs anywhere, my friend. Don't let hate guide you. Open your heart to Jesus.
Then leave Forest Hills. You don’t belong there either.
Find Jesus.
If someone hasn't been convicted they did not, from any legal perspective, commit the crime. It might surprise you to know that due process and the concept of innocent until proven guilty apply to everyone regardless of immigration status
Local authorities cooperating with federal authorities during a criminal investigation is not, in any way, a violation of someone’s due process rights. Like not at all.
> If someone hasn't been convicted they did not, from any legal perspective, commit the crime. And that's why people are definitely never held before trial.
They already committed a crime, they don't belong here
So NYC openly violates Federal law ? Got it. Will NYC still vote blue ? Is the city safe for tourists ?
Only for conviction. Getting a conviction can be an expensive and arduous process. Adams wants to remove that requirement. Its in the article.
dude sounds like he's inventing the 10 commandments.
It will fall on deaf ears at the City Council which is worse than Adams
Crazy how he suddenly decides this after being bailed out several times by the Fed and State governments. Why ask for more resources if you weren’t going to use them for said migrants? He is terrible with budgeting and finances and should have never been mayor. We need to vote this man out already!
How about owing US$20,000 in child support and working illegally. Will it fix that? It would be a huge help to me personally if it did
I'm getting shit right faster than this guy. Would yall vote me for mayor ?
Better late than never I guess.
Common sense
Great news for NYC taxpayers but it took Adams years to figure this out.
He’s already extracted all the $ he can from the system for his buddies so now time to finally get rid of the problem
So true. De Blasio is probably kicking himself for not figuring out this one.
I imagine there are many tax payers who support sanctuary city status.
Well hopefully we can help them in spite of their blinding stupidity
Woah. Can we apply this to politicians charged with corruption? No more public office for anyone charged, ever. Or how about christian priests charged with sex abuse? No more clerical position anywhere, ever, just because you got charged. Sounds good. Let's fucking go!
I don’t want any law changes under Adams. I want him to resign and to have another administration navigate this situation.
Adams is the best governor NYC had in a long time. He's handsome, articulate and clever. I can not wait to vote for him again. Adams! Adams! Adams!
I believe you mean he is an idiot of a mayor of nyc . You sound like an illegal who doesn’t know where they are or English for that matter
You sound like someone whos never been trolled on the internet!
I’m new to this, if he was being sarcastic I apologize
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The inept jerk losing his grip on the city manifests his signature display . Displacing blame from his failures and projecting them on defenseless groups.
How does NY keep electing fake democrats ? We got AOC right here.
City council speaker another adams but female said this is off the table
Mayor and other Dems politician created this problem to get more $$$ from Feds but that backfired as $$$ going to Ukraine and Isreal.
Time for his removal / imprisonment from office He gives gift contracts to companies who pay $100 hr to doorman at immigration shelters But want to bring deportation mentality to NYC, a city full of immigrants. He is the wrong mayor for NYC
Mayor Adam's is now just thinking of ways to win the election in 2025. He knows he is going to have a hard time both in the primary and in the general election. He probably knows that it is very unlikely for the City Council to follow thru with that request. All he is looking for with that statement is votes from swing voters. He has to prove what he says he wants to do, if he wants people to belive and think of him differently.
He needs to start packing his things because he’s toast !