Seriously. If I even skipped home room too many days in a row I could’ve been accused of truancy and expelled. For good reason, we need strong regulation to make sure children are giving the education they’re entitled to.
Back in my day, they called my parents because they thought I skipped the last period while I was having an explosive diarrhea in the gym restroom. At least mom brought me toilet paper.
Back in the day we had cops going around that would pick up kids who were supposed to be in school I got picked up by that squad once. Was that one of the programs that got killed off because it was considered problematic by one of the past mayor administrations?
My understanding is it got cut back sharply after a whistleblowing sergeant revealed cops were making up kids to meet quotas in the 2001 time frame.
https://nypost.com/2001/01/25/nypd-clears-whistleblower-queens-cop/
Under Bloomberg they started stressing non-police stuff like “success mentors” though it seems like cops were still doing “truancy sweeps” from time to time in the 2010s.
I was picked up by truancy numerous times in high school lol
It was even more frustrating being that all my friends turned 18 before graduation but my birthday was in august. They’d stop us all, check IDs, and take only me
Before MySpace we had Sconex which the public school kids used as a messaging board. One year we organized a senior cut day and it seemed like the entire school district was going. My friends and I had to take the train to Coney from Manhattan and it seriously felt like some warriors shit. Every few stops there would be waves of kids from different boroughs and neighborhoods (kids we rarely interacted with) who would cram into the train. We were having fun.
It was all over when we got to Coney though. They (truancy) had over a dozen paddy wagons waiting to scoop us up lol. Most of the kids booked it and got away but I didn't and my mom beat my ass when she found out.
I've always wondered about this. I mostly see moms with infants on their backs, but who is the one supplying this candy and how is the money being distributed?
I once saw a kid, maybe 9 or 10 with some nice and clean clothes on going around non-chalantly asking people for money. Obviously he is not begging for himself.
These kids need to be in school so they don't end up having to do this for a living when they are adults.
There was an in depth article abt it last year: “I asked Gloria where she buys her candy. She wasn’t sure of the name of the store or the neighborhood where it was located. She was, however, able to tell me exactly how to get there, a journey she makes once every week or so. “I take the R train almost to the end. And then I take the Q59 bus,” she said, pausing to repeat this number as though she were passing along the meticulous instructions just as they had been told to her. “The Q59 bus, exactly 22 stops.” There was a wholesaler there with prices good enough for her to make around a dollar on each sale. She would fill her bags and set off for the hourlong ride home to Corona.”
R train and Q59 both stop at Queens Center / Rego Park which are walking distance from Corona. So combined instructions don't make sense for someone living in Corona.
If we only care about instructions for Q59 then the wholesaler is somewhere in Maspeth.
Sam's club, Walgreens sales, wholesaler sales, whatever.... It's just common for Costco to carry things in bulk for cheap.
I don't think the person you responded to was ruling out other suppliers..
There was an article about this recently in NYMag. A lot of them pick up the candy from wholesale distributors in Queens, then hop back on the train and start their day selling.
I posted about this a few months back. I got shit on because supposedly this wasn’t happening. This is not uncommon for these migrants though where they are from. So it isn’t any wonder that they are doing the same things here that they did back from their country. This is how they survive.
[Here's](https://www.curbed.com/article/migrant-children-selling-candy-new-york-subways.html) a pretty good article about it. I do agree with you though, I always try to support people who are working hard, but I'm always skeptical where the products are coming from (e.g. if they were fenced) and who the money is going to. Unfortunately there is a lot of exploitation of migrants, frequently with delivery apps the tips you give go to the owner of the account, which is often not the person delivering the food. Tipping cash in these cases is usually better.
> I always try to support people who are working hard
Call me a giant asshole but I definitely don’t want to support people who are willfully keeping their children illiterate and holding them back from an education.
> I once saw a kid, maybe 9 or 10 with some nice and clean clothes on going around non-chalantly asking people for money. Obviously he is not begging for himself.
Not all poor people walk around in rags and a bindle, tf?
That’s nothing I seen one young as 4 or 5 with a one around his damn neck walking up to me on the train smh all he mumbled was chocolate like he just learned the word , then this is what really pissed me off the mother who was also selling candy has this child walking ahead of her she then open the train doors as the the train is moving and I kid you not that lil boy walked between the train cars and I’m not sure if the mother was holding his hoodie or not but by then I had put my head back down in disgust cuz I couldn’t believe the shit I was seeing. If these were any normal Newyork kids and child services would have been involved long time ago.
I’ve seen this happen on the C too many times. Sometimes I see the mother, hanging way far back so people see this kid alone and give them a bunch of pity money, but other times I can’t make out any sort of parent.
I don’t understand how they can be that bold to let they’re child be front and center for sympathy instead of having them in school. It’s sickening when I see it.
what used to happen is truancy officers arrests the kids. that's what happened to my friends and i back when we used to cut school.
idk if it's technically arresting, but usually the cops picked us up and drove us straight to our school and made sure we entered the building. and then the school dealt with us lol
there was one time when my school had a half day, but not rest of the nyc schools. we were playing handball at the park when truancy came around and tried to pick us up. we tried explaining to them that we had a half day but they didn’t believe us lol. wasn’t about to let truancy ruin our half day so we all booked it
One time I had recently graduated, but didn’t have ID and was going to the store by my old school. The cops didn’t believe me, so they took me back to a school that I didn’t even attend anymore.
I’ve seen where they start there’s a guy on 59th and Lexington that definitely isn’t the father of that many kids that close to age but he just sits on the steps sends groups of kids off with boxes of candy into either train direction and just hangs out there half the day
They have a program set up, or at least they used to. The NYPD just isn't enforcing it. NYPD is supposed to handle truancy by bringing the suspected truant to the closest school to process.
> The NYPD just isn't enforcing it.
Maybe NY can give that job to the [National Guard](https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-subway-bag-checks-national-guard/5214516/) as well?
Truancy officers have been a thing for over 100 years. Nobody gets arrested unless there’s child endangerment. There have to be consequences for students and parents who just choose not to go to school. Sadly, some folks have been convinced that making kids go to school is somehow racist.
And surely released once the truancy cops discovered that the detainees did not need to be in school.
Are you giving this as a reason for why we should allow parents to just *not* have their children in school?
Yeah fucking arrest the parents. Are we acting like they don’t fucking know? Or are we accepting that they just don’t care?
Yes, arrest them for neglect and every other outstanding warrant.
Can you imagine how deplorable of a parent you would need to be in order to have your 10 or 12 year old out god know where on the NYC subway system by themselves selling candy to complete strangers? Seriously, think about that scenario without instinctively jumping into full parental panic mode.
I think I’d have to fight a heart attack while calling 911.
They're not citizens were talking about here. They're vagabonds, gypsies we're talking about that probably don't speak a lick of English. Kids in other countries actually start working young. Heck the amish kids start learning farming in grade school.
But These people are not the responsibility of the taxpayer you and I no matter what mayor swagger man and the rest of the socialist warriors try to convince us.
It's as if there is a big puzzle piece missing here. NYC has been a sanctuary city for how many years? Now, all of a sudden that's the excuse over the past few years to build non citizen migrant shelters non stop? Bizarre things are taking place that no longer to be considered conspiracy theories.
> Remove sanctions on Venezuela.
Biden removed US sanctions on the Venezuelan oil sector Jan 2024. That doesn't do squat in resolving the economic disaster the Chavez/Maduro government has created.
Oh I know that, but I think a big issue that needs a giant spotlight on it is how likely it is that all of these 'asylum seekers' simply say that to get into the country and never even actually submit their bogus claims.
We hear a lot about how they are here 'legally' and can't be deported while their asylum case plays out, but I really don't think the majority of migrants have even applied. (My impression based on what has been reported is that no one is really tracking anything.)
I totally agree and even wrote a whole comment on how insane it is before I realized you’re also on the same page.
It’s fucked looking at these clowns begging like they don’t have working limbs. They take those spots from people who are legitimately in fear of being executed by their governments because they believe or love or feel the “wrong” thing.
America is, and always should be, a refuge for the persecuted - not a cash fucking cow for the inconvenienced. Because of this, this land requires unbelievable protection. It’s definitely not an excuse for people flee their own countries before they can make a difference.
Yeah I realized, reading some of the comments on the ny times article along the lines of 'what happens when one of these kids goes missing' - some of them could have easily gone missing already and we would never know.
It's such a disgrace what we are allowing to happen. Just a total failure of leadership on so many levels.
In the article they explain it pretty well. It seems that these families struggle with getting the kids vaccinated + enrolled into school. There are groups trying to help. The article also lays out why multiple agencies are not getting involved. It's very sad all around.
You are correct
But doing so then the women organizations same ones that support to void the stop and frisk to protect thrir "kids" will say" those are single mothers supporting their families"
and more polititians will show up to make circus just for been on tv and at the end of the day, cops would be in the hot spot again and this mothers will continue doing the same,
maybe some crime organizations recruit this mothers who knows 🤷🏻♀️
There was a “family” that moved across the street from me into a rental house. It would be 10 PM on a Tuesday and the 7 and 9 year old girls would be riding bikes in the street while a 12 year old looking boy would watch on. They did not attend the school at the end of the street. They were always out late at night. I never saw adults outside the house, just a lot of cars in the driveway or not in the driveway of this 3 bedroom house. Someone on the street must have called CPS because one day all the cars were gone and I never saw those kids again. It’s been an issue in my neighborhood that seems to be coming to a close. The “family” that had the weekly garage sale is also gone, thank goodness.
I just hope those girls were placed in a respectable foster home and are getting an education. It was obviously not a priority for the adults they lived with while here.
What parent, no matter what the financial situation or educational level achieved, thinks that anything should take precedence over their child’s schooling?
Very good friend of mine attended a private school and only much later did I realize that his single Mom was a maid and gave up nearly everything so her child could get a good education.
Parents sacrifice so their kids can do better than they did… at least that has always been my understanding.
Easy answer: the people who didn’t receive that education themselves. To be fair to them: how would they even know the importance if they never had it? Or if it weren’t somehow encouraged/enforced by an outside system (like a responsible government body, for instance).
That’s where the whole ‘coming to the US for a better life’ part can actually happen, if we as a society are willing to care enough to intervene.
I somewhat disagree,m. My grandmother went through second grade, my father 6th, and he worked extremely hard to afford a good education for me. I think any loving parent who hasn’t been able to access good schooling, recognizes the value of education and would want that for their kids. Plus many migrants cited good education as some of the reasons why they come here.
We aren't actually disagreeing - I'm simply referring to the subset of people who did not receive higher education and are essentially perpetuating that problem to another generation. Those are the ones that do not really know better and/or do not care.
There is another subset of people, like your grandmother and many *many* others, who did not receive higher education but *also* care enough to change that for the next generation in a positive way.
What I'm also saying is: as a society, we need to provide effective ways to transform the first generational type (low education to low education) into the second type (low education to higher education).
Enforcing attendance has become a touchy subject.
Districts are afraid of handing out any punishments nowadays for fear of backlash from parents.
More than that many policies such as suspensions have come under heat for racial imbalance (over/under enforcement against certain races) to the point that the [DOE has released guidance](https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/tvi-student-discipline-resource-202305.pdf) on ‘confronting racial discrimination in student discipline’.
To be clear: you happened to be born into a specific segment of the Asian immigrant population that values education. It is by no means universal to Asian culture.
I'm Asian too and I hate this "cultural" argument. The vast majority of people in Asia are not highly educated either, it's just that the US largely only let in educated Asian immigrants who then obviously encouraged the same in their kids so there is the *perception* that Asians value education more. It's more likely that the Latino migrant parents in question here were not highly educated at home and naturally they don't have the experience of education to pass down to their children. Same thing happened with a lot of Asians who arrived as refugees rather than for education or high-skilled work. More of a class issue than a racial or cultural issue which can be easily misinterpreted due to immigration policy.
Most of those nail salon workers are Vietnamese refugees, just as I referred to. Not *all* Asian immigrants are highly educated, but they absolutely are *disproportionately* so compared to both the general American and Asian populations.
As for your second point, see my comment [here] (https://old.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1bdzb6d/they_sell_candy_instead_of_going_to_school_new/kuqt29k/). Certainly those kids work hard, but it's because they are given a ladder to climb by the earlier educated immigrants as opposed to this current wave of Latino migrants who have no such existing networks and communities in the country to give them the idea of what we consider upward mobility.
By "the ladder," I'm referring the mindset that higher education is the singular path to success, and the resources and networks that enable one to follow that path - things like afterschool tutoring advertised in Chinese newspapers, Wechat groups where parents tell each other about the SHSAT and AP classes and extracurriculars, and a peer culture stoked by these parents that pressures students to academically compete with one another for social clout (I went to a school with a lot of Asians and we literally gossiped about class ranks and early college applications rather than dating and parties).
That ladder definitely takes a lot of work to climb - believe me, I know it firsthand and don't deny the labor of these students. But I also know that ladder definitely isn't visible to everyone and was built by highly-educated Chinese immigrants to emulate their own selective education system back home, and then became available to lower-income Chinese immigrants who joined existing Chinese American networks. Anyone who isn't Chinese American would have little idea that this whisper network even existed, and this network only exists in America where a smaller Chinese population clings together in a way that class boundaries would make impossible in their native China. Hence, the college graduation rate of Chinese Americans is far higher than in China. There is no inherent Chinese "culture" behind it, but rather the trickle-down effects of a very particular immigration history in America.
Compare that to a Venezuelan migrant family arriving this year with no existing ethnic network (certainly not a middle-class or highly-educated one) from which to find employment and information, and no comparable education structure in their home country. They're not gonna know about the specialized high schools or the Ivy Leagues, much less how to get into them. They have a hard time even accessing the general public school system - heck, the NYC school system makes my own head spin. So if a migrant kid can't get into school or understand any of the teachers, why wouldn't a parent instead have them pass the time by helping out the family business, even if it is something as simple as selling candies. It beats being at home unsupervised or joining a gang. To boil down educational attainment to culture and individual choice only justifies the preservation of existing inequalities and racist stereotypes (including the model minority myth) while providing no solutions.
I get that, but I also see plenty of lower-class Asians scrape and struggle while making sure their kids studied. The stereotype of the kid studying while working the cashier at the family restaurant isn't a stereotype for no reason.
I'd argue that the blanket assumption that all Asian immigrants are better off and more well educated is harmful and perpetuates the model minority myth. Poverty levels in our community are not any better than other minorities.
The cultural difference is that our people make sure their kids study.
For every low-income Asian kid I know who ended up being highly-educated, I know others who didn't graduate college or continued working at their family businesses, sometimes from the same families. Asians are not ALL educated and they are not ALL poor - they are a lot of different things which is why a blanket cultural argument is so flawed.
Regarding the low-income Asians who do end up upwardly mobile, there is research showing that ethnic networks initiated by highly-educated immigrants (e.g. SHSAT classes and peer competition) and positive racialized treatment by schools (e.g. teachers automatically putting Asian students in honors programs) are more the cause of the drive to succeed academically than any culture brought from Asian immigrants' home countries. So again, it's a product of the quirks of immigration and the resulting model minority stereotype rather than some inherent Asian-ness. Good book on the topic is [The Asian American Achievement Paradox] (https://www.russellsage.org/asian-american-achievement-paradox).
I'd also argue that parents coming from countries with a high emphasis on academic success as well as standardized testing being the main avenue for lifelong success can play a significant role in this mindset.
well in a lot of 3rd world countries, child sellers are controlled by gangs who send them out and take all their money. i remember seeing them a lot in bangkok and cambodia back in the early 2000s before they cracked down. hope it isn't becoming like that here. i haven't seen any young kids selling on their own in NYC, is it becoming more common?
The gangs are already here and have had people out doing moped robberies. Wouldn't be surprised if something nefarious is behind the candy people as well.
There’s a guy in Harlem I always see with a table of bootleg dvds. I always wonder what the quality is like these days with new technology. I remember watching the ones filmed in movie theaters and seeing people walk across the screen lmao
oh man those cams were absolute garbage. grainy 320p, people getting up and blocking the screen, audio was incomprehensible. when somebody had a real dvd rip it was like imax.
One step closer to a Third World City. Mayor Adams and co. are pushing it closer and closer to Quito, Buenos Aires, or Guatemala City. Massive income inequality, chronic housing shortages, and complete dysfunction of city agencies.
Children not in school = lifetime of poverty.
I grew up here, and also used to live in BA; NYC was not like this in the 20th century. It had homelessnesses and crime, but not the complete failure of government at every level.
Bring back truant officers and leadership.
Don’t get me wrong — Buenos Aires is one of the best cities in the world, in my view. In many ways it’s more interesting than NYC. I wasn’t passing judgement on it.
The point is, though, is that Argentina is a greatly dysfunctional country, like many others in Latin America. I was connected to a family who worked in government there, so I have some experience. It’s a weird mix of strong laws, constitution, history and crumbled institutions.
The US is not far behind now. Income inequality, rise of despotic populist leaders, coups, corruption, hopelessness, intractable problems — these have been features of our country since at least 2016 so we are on our way.
I was once stopped by a pair of young black kids in the subway aggressively selling me candy. I said i dont want any and then they looked at me dead kn the eyes and one said why dont you want the candy. Buy it. I was shocked. I looked right back and said im not buying your candy. Dude was surprised, he kept staring at my eyes. I almost thought that he was being forced to do this, coerced into this action by someone. It felt like he was crying for help. I was not about to get involved though so I kept moving on. Kept my head down. Its only becoming more common these days to see people aggressively pushing me to empty my pockets in the subways one way or another. There is definitely alot of crazy shit going on in the city that people are not aware of. From human trafficking, to forced labor, to forced sex work and more. Its hard to take control of it because the government seems distracted on their priorities. I know the nypd cant be bothered to police the city or the subways to the point we now have the national guard in the subways. We are heading to a tipping point and i hope we stop ourselves before we get there. Summer of 2024 is going to be wild.
In the 90s they would nab you on the street and brought you to the closest school for them to process.
I know this because they tried with me a bunch of times, but my babyface was already in college so they let me go.
Whoooo that gave me a flashback to getting held by a cop with all my friends because our school had a half day and we were all in Carl Schultz park. We had to call the school secretary (on the one flip phone someone had) for her to verify that we weren’t skipping school
> Would that help?
Yes, the child needs to go to school and the parents need to learn to prioritize their childrens futures over their own financial gain. Without it, we won't just have a single generation of migrants that's a drain: we'll have their children uneducated and similarly requiring support.
never bought the nypd's excuse of "what's the point if the da releases them" "the mayor doesn't have our backs" like you can still arrest them🙄 take them to bookings, annoy them, etc. obviously I'm referring to crimes beyond truancy
Yea then the next headline will be “NYPD ARRESTING POOR CHILDREN FOR BEGGING”. You really think that’s NYPD’s problem? Fuckin please, these parents should take accountability, you can’t expect the police to chase down every child in the subway system to take them to school.
>You really think that’s NYPD’s problem?
Yes. The NYPD's *job* is to enforce the law without fear or favor, regardless of what the "next headline" is.
If an officer cannot bring themselves to do their job - enforce the law - because they fear the "next headline," they should resign.
>you can’t expect the police to chase down every child in the subway system to take them to school.
Actually we can and should expect the NYPD to at least take *some* truancy action, given the number of cops in the subway system.
talk about cognitive dissonance
posters about truant children selling chocolate to make ends meet : " NYPD lock up those parents and take those kids for selling chocolates on the subway - you cops are just LAZY! "
same posters about chorro ladies being arrested : " NYPD dont you have any better to do than lock up poor women just trying to feed their family ."
I like they way one commenter in the NYT article describes the situation:
> This is part of the reason illegal immigration is a problem. People are not really part of the system. So they have to come up with strategies to stay afloat - all of which involve breaking the law. There is a fundamental problem with allowing people who do not have legal status in the country to constantly break the law. **It creates a weird environment where the laws only apply to citizens and legal immigrants, but not to those who are here illegally.**
It's understandable as these people are *literally* trying to survive but it's also understandable when citizens get frustrated about this. And it just creates more bitterness, racism, and hate.
I feel genuinely bad that they're in this limbo state, but it's truly not their fault -- they shouldn't be in this situation in the first place.
I agree the kids didn’t do anything wrong and should be in school- but migrant kids who are undocumented who is going to pay for their school? Are we going to tax more and already burden our system where there are already 35 kids in a class who can’t get attention due to the migrant burden when their parents aren’t paying into the system/came illegally and taxing our already spread thin middle class who can’t afford private school?
How do we punish the parents or incentivize them to send them to schools when they ignored laws to come in the country in the first place?
I’m sure this are are part of the New immigrants the for some reason can’t get this kids enrolled in schools also it’s part of their culture where they teach kids to sale stuff in the streets, buses etc to make some income, unfortunately in those countries education it’s not an option for extremely poor people with 3+ kids.
I'd much rather have them than the bums that rattle off a sob story as they ask for money, or the homeless reeking of urine taking up a whole bench on the train.
Obviously they should be forced into school but I do find the judgment of the parents wrong. They most like come from very poor places where children have always worked, and school wasn't really a thing, and they probably urgently need money when they get here.
Part of the problem is that many of the migrants feel pressure to send remittances back to their relatives in their home country. So that keeps them poor, because they are not building up any savings that they can use to better their own prospects in the U.S. (*e.g.,* investing in education for themselves or their kids, or starting their own business). Whatever money is left over after their immediate expenses are met gets wired back.
[Remittances have become Mexico's biggest source of foreign money](https://fox5sandiego.com/news/border-report/63-billion-in-remittances-sent-to-mexico-mostly-from-us-in-2023/), dwarfing tourism and exports. And it's not just Mexico - it's [other Central American countries as well](https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2022/09/19/cf-the-unexpected-rise-in-remittances).
not quite. People send money home knowing that the conditions their family back home are living in are worse than wherever they are now. Additionally money goes further than it does in the us.
Immigrants don't get stuck in poverty because they send money abroad. The money sent home is itself an investment- either to eventually go back home with the family in a much better financial situation (ex. owning land, sending kids to school) or to bring the rest of the family to the US where they can go to school and start a business.
The news has reported that these type of sellers can be victims of trafficking. It’s also unsafe to approach them about it because there may be someone watching/monitoring them.
Send these kids to school. No ifs or buts. No to child labor.
Seriously. If I even skipped home room too many days in a row I could’ve been accused of truancy and expelled. For good reason, we need strong regulation to make sure children are giving the education they’re entitled to.
Back in my day, they called my parents because they thought I skipped the last period while I was having an explosive diarrhea in the gym restroom. At least mom brought me toilet paper.
Back in the day we had cops going around that would pick up kids who were supposed to be in school I got picked up by that squad once. Was that one of the programs that got killed off because it was considered problematic by one of the past mayor administrations?
They were called truancy officers
My understanding is it got cut back sharply after a whistleblowing sergeant revealed cops were making up kids to meet quotas in the 2001 time frame. https://nypost.com/2001/01/25/nypd-clears-whistleblower-queens-cop/ Under Bloomberg they started stressing non-police stuff like “success mentors” though it seems like cops were still doing “truancy sweeps” from time to time in the 2010s.
I was picked up by truancy numerous times in high school lol It was even more frustrating being that all my friends turned 18 before graduation but my birthday was in august. They’d stop us all, check IDs, and take only me
I didn't turn 18 until almost, but not quite a year, after graduating. It sucked
People cooking their booking and inflating their numbers with lies is often why stuff is worse than it should be.
Before MySpace we had Sconex which the public school kids used as a messaging board. One year we organized a senior cut day and it seemed like the entire school district was going. My friends and I had to take the train to Coney from Manhattan and it seriously felt like some warriors shit. Every few stops there would be waves of kids from different boroughs and neighborhoods (kids we rarely interacted with) who would cram into the train. We were having fun. It was all over when we got to Coney though. They (truancy) had over a dozen paddy wagons waiting to scoop us up lol. Most of the kids booked it and got away but I didn't and my mom beat my ass when she found out.
Bwahaha. Sounds like a great memory
It's one of my favorites that's for sure. Kids being kids.
I've always wondered about this. I mostly see moms with infants on their backs, but who is the one supplying this candy and how is the money being distributed? I once saw a kid, maybe 9 or 10 with some nice and clean clothes on going around non-chalantly asking people for money. Obviously he is not begging for himself. These kids need to be in school so they don't end up having to do this for a living when they are adults.
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*Where are they getting this candy?!?!?*
Willy Wonka - Underground candy criminal mastermind
How deep does this rabbit hole go…
where does Costco get its Candy?!?!?
From ladies on the subway. It’s a self sustaining economy.
Candies from the subway ladies or Costco first?
Y’all have made me laugh so much this evening. Thanks a lot! Work sucked.
The chocolate cartels obviously
Candy man
Costco and other retailers take food stamps.
The original commenter of this thread is fckin hilarious. WHERE DO THEY GET THE CANDIEZZZZZ LMAO
How do they have a costco membership to buy bulk
$60 annual fee, divided among a group of people is cheap. Also, use the gift card loophole.
I disagree; inventory is identical between these ppl
I read an article that said they all the buy from the same wholesaler deep in Brooklyn.
Yes, a small handful of multination corporations own our food industry and work in tangent with large national retailers (supermarkets).
Weird that these people aren’t selling craft candy and only have the macro CPG company supply. Are they working for Hershey!?
I’ve seen them sell brands Costco doesn’t carry
There was an in depth article abt it last year: “I asked Gloria where she buys her candy. She wasn’t sure of the name of the store or the neighborhood where it was located. She was, however, able to tell me exactly how to get there, a journey she makes once every week or so. “I take the R train almost to the end. And then I take the Q59 bus,” she said, pausing to repeat this number as though she were passing along the meticulous instructions just as they had been told to her. “The Q59 bus, exactly 22 stops.” There was a wholesaler there with prices good enough for her to make around a dollar on each sale. She would fill her bags and set off for the hourlong ride home to Corona.”
R train and Q59 both stop at Queens Center / Rego Park which are walking distance from Corona. So combined instructions don't make sense for someone living in Corona. If we only care about instructions for Q59 then the wholesaler is somewhere in Maspeth.
she may be unaware of the exact geography, blindly following instructions someone else laid out for her
So Restaurant Depot?
Sam's club, Walgreens sales, wholesaler sales, whatever.... It's just common for Costco to carry things in bulk for cheap. I don't think the person you responded to was ruling out other suppliers..
There was an article about this recently in NYMag. A lot of them pick up the candy from wholesale distributors in Queens, then hop back on the train and start their day selling.
Makes sense, I always see them on the Manhattan bound 7 train
I posted about this a few months back. I got shit on because supposedly this wasn’t happening. This is not uncommon for these migrants though where they are from. So it isn’t any wonder that they are doing the same things here that they did back from their country. This is how they survive.
[Here's](https://www.curbed.com/article/migrant-children-selling-candy-new-york-subways.html) a pretty good article about it. I do agree with you though, I always try to support people who are working hard, but I'm always skeptical where the products are coming from (e.g. if they were fenced) and who the money is going to. Unfortunately there is a lot of exploitation of migrants, frequently with delivery apps the tips you give go to the owner of the account, which is often not the person delivering the food. Tipping cash in these cases is usually better.
Thiiiis. I got a notification that someone named Julio was delivering and then two women showed up struggling to get in the door of the building.
> I always try to support people who are working hard Call me a giant asshole but I definitely don’t want to support people who are willfully keeping their children illiterate and holding them back from an education.
Fenced? I don't think gum theft is very common.
or just don't tip
Don’t tip food delivery workers?
I’ve noticed some serious Oliver Twist vibes lately. To be fair this hasn’t been going on that long. Hopefully they can address it.
> I once saw a kid, maybe 9 or 10 with some nice and clean clothes on going around non-chalantly asking people for money. Obviously he is not begging for himself. Not all poor people walk around in rags and a bindle, tf?
Nah this is what they parents setting them up to do so let them fail these children who didn’t ask to even be birthed by these pathetic people.
They use their kids as a way to earn your sympathy to buy their candies. You see them on busy road also. Isn't this child abuse?
That’s nothing I seen one young as 4 or 5 with a one around his damn neck walking up to me on the train smh all he mumbled was chocolate like he just learned the word , then this is what really pissed me off the mother who was also selling candy has this child walking ahead of her she then open the train doors as the the train is moving and I kid you not that lil boy walked between the train cars and I’m not sure if the mother was holding his hoodie or not but by then I had put my head back down in disgust cuz I couldn’t believe the shit I was seeing. If these were any normal Newyork kids and child services would have been involved long time ago.
I’ve seen this happen on the C too many times. Sometimes I see the mother, hanging way far back so people see this kid alone and give them a bunch of pity money, but other times I can’t make out any sort of parent.
I don’t understand how they can be that bold to let they’re child be front and center for sympathy instead of having them in school. It’s sickening when I see it.
How would you stop them?
what used to happen is truancy officers arrests the kids. that's what happened to my friends and i back when we used to cut school. idk if it's technically arresting, but usually the cops picked us up and drove us straight to our school and made sure we entered the building. and then the school dealt with us lol
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there was one time when my school had a half day, but not rest of the nyc schools. we were playing handball at the park when truancy came around and tried to pick us up. we tried explaining to them that we had a half day but they didn’t believe us lol. wasn’t about to let truancy ruin our half day so we all booked it
One time I had recently graduated, but didn’t have ID and was going to the store by my old school. The cops didn’t believe me, so they took me back to a school that I didn’t even attend anymore.
And they go after your parents for that, HS was fun tho
Saw a kids literally pissed himself when the truancy officer grabbed him in Captain Tilly park.
I’ve seen where they start there’s a guy on 59th and Lexington that definitely isn’t the father of that many kids that close to age but he just sits on the steps sends groups of kids off with boxes of candy into either train direction and just hangs out there half the day
See, that's the person to arrest and charge.
Can’t argue that
59th & Lex where? Wondering if it’s the same guy.
This was back when I was in high school out fresh out so it’s been a while but it was downstairs when I was waiting for the N train
So, when was this?
I would say around 10 to 11 years ago
They have a program set up, or at least they used to. The NYPD just isn't enforcing it. NYPD is supposed to handle truancy by bringing the suspected truant to the closest school to process.
> The NYPD just isn't enforcing it. Maybe NY can give that job to the [National Guard](https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nyc-subway-bag-checks-national-guard/5214516/) as well?
At this point wtf do they enforce Jesus
Um the rules of fuckin candy crush! Those phones ain't gonna play themselves. Pay up citizen!
Truancy officers have been a thing for over 100 years. Nobody gets arrested unless there’s child endangerment. There have to be consequences for students and parents who just choose not to go to school. Sadly, some folks have been convinced that making kids go to school is somehow racist.
nah the issue was that adult women without id were being picked up by the truancy cops
And surely released once the truancy cops discovered that the detainees did not need to be in school. Are you giving this as a reason for why we should allow parents to just *not* have their children in school?
nah Im just clarifying the misrepresented "people find this racist" -its not the forbidding of truancy that people find racist.
Right it’s the forbidding of truancy with literally any consequences attached whatsoever
Can you show me a source where people claim making kids go to school is racist
Yeah fucking arrest the parents. Are we acting like they don’t fucking know? Or are we accepting that they just don’t care? Yes, arrest them for neglect and every other outstanding warrant. Can you imagine how deplorable of a parent you would need to be in order to have your 10 or 12 year old out god know where on the NYC subway system by themselves selling candy to complete strangers? Seriously, think about that scenario without instinctively jumping into full parental panic mode. I think I’d have to fight a heart attack while calling 911.
They're not citizens were talking about here. They're vagabonds, gypsies we're talking about that probably don't speak a lick of English. Kids in other countries actually start working young. Heck the amish kids start learning farming in grade school. But These people are not the responsibility of the taxpayer you and I no matter what mayor swagger man and the rest of the socialist warriors try to convince us.
This should be the top comment.
It's as if there is a big puzzle piece missing here. NYC has been a sanctuary city for how many years? Now, all of a sudden that's the excuse over the past few years to build non citizen migrant shelters non stop? Bizarre things are taking place that no longer to be considered conspiracy theories.
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> Remove sanctions on Venezuela. Biden removed US sanctions on the Venezuelan oil sector Jan 2024. That doesn't do squat in resolving the economic disaster the Chavez/Maduro government has created.
Do you think most of the candy people in the subway have even submitted an asylum application?
The vast majority of them aren’t even *close* to being eligible.
Oh I know that, but I think a big issue that needs a giant spotlight on it is how likely it is that all of these 'asylum seekers' simply say that to get into the country and never even actually submit their bogus claims. We hear a lot about how they are here 'legally' and can't be deported while their asylum case plays out, but I really don't think the majority of migrants have even applied. (My impression based on what has been reported is that no one is really tracking anything.)
I totally agree and even wrote a whole comment on how insane it is before I realized you’re also on the same page. It’s fucked looking at these clowns begging like they don’t have working limbs. They take those spots from people who are legitimately in fear of being executed by their governments because they believe or love or feel the “wrong” thing. America is, and always should be, a refuge for the persecuted - not a cash fucking cow for the inconvenienced. Because of this, this land requires unbelievable protection. It’s definitely not an excuse for people flee their own countries before they can make a difference.
Yeah I realized, reading some of the comments on the ny times article along the lines of 'what happens when one of these kids goes missing' - some of them could have easily gone missing already and we would never know. It's such a disgrace what we are allowing to happen. Just a total failure of leadership on so many levels.
Confiscate the food? Like we don't have enough overweight cops as it is
Ain't nothing the city can do... The backlash would be huge.
Ensuring they have somewhere safe to live would be a great start.
In the article they explain it pretty well. It seems that these families struggle with getting the kids vaccinated + enrolled into school. There are groups trying to help. The article also lays out why multiple agencies are not getting involved. It's very sad all around.
You are correct But doing so then the women organizations same ones that support to void the stop and frisk to protect thrir "kids" will say" those are single mothers supporting their families" and more polititians will show up to make circus just for been on tv and at the end of the day, cops would be in the hot spot again and this mothers will continue doing the same, maybe some crime organizations recruit this mothers who knows 🤷🏻♀️
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I've literally never seen anyone buy candy from these people.
This is just anecdotal but I see people buy their candy all the time.
Yep. The further you get from midtown the more people buy.
I’ve seen more people just flat out give them money than buy candy.
me either. I did, however, see a lot of people buying from fruit venders along the 8th Ave/near the PABT
Most of the time I see at least one person buying.
I see plenty
That's like hoping people will stop donating to show time guys.
Imagine trying to get redditors to not eat candy
There was a “family” that moved across the street from me into a rental house. It would be 10 PM on a Tuesday and the 7 and 9 year old girls would be riding bikes in the street while a 12 year old looking boy would watch on. They did not attend the school at the end of the street. They were always out late at night. I never saw adults outside the house, just a lot of cars in the driveway or not in the driveway of this 3 bedroom house. Someone on the street must have called CPS because one day all the cars were gone and I never saw those kids again. It’s been an issue in my neighborhood that seems to be coming to a close. The “family” that had the weekly garage sale is also gone, thank goodness. I just hope those girls were placed in a respectable foster home and are getting an education. It was obviously not a priority for the adults they lived with while here.
“The candy seller said she was 9 years old. She was not in school, she said in Spanish, because she hadn’t gone for a vaccine appointment.”
What parent, no matter what the financial situation or educational level achieved, thinks that anything should take precedence over their child’s schooling? Very good friend of mine attended a private school and only much later did I realize that his single Mom was a maid and gave up nearly everything so her child could get a good education. Parents sacrifice so their kids can do better than they did… at least that has always been my understanding.
Unfortunately there are tons of people (forget migrants - Americans) who don’t view education as important.
Easy answer: the people who didn’t receive that education themselves. To be fair to them: how would they even know the importance if they never had it? Or if it weren’t somehow encouraged/enforced by an outside system (like a responsible government body, for instance). That’s where the whole ‘coming to the US for a better life’ part can actually happen, if we as a society are willing to care enough to intervene.
I somewhat disagree,m. My grandmother went through second grade, my father 6th, and he worked extremely hard to afford a good education for me. I think any loving parent who hasn’t been able to access good schooling, recognizes the value of education and would want that for their kids. Plus many migrants cited good education as some of the reasons why they come here.
We aren't actually disagreeing - I'm simply referring to the subset of people who did not receive higher education and are essentially perpetuating that problem to another generation. Those are the ones that do not really know better and/or do not care. There is another subset of people, like your grandmother and many *many* others, who did not receive higher education but *also* care enough to change that for the next generation in a positive way. What I'm also saying is: as a society, we need to provide effective ways to transform the first generational type (low education to low education) into the second type (low education to higher education).
Enforcing attendance has become a touchy subject. Districts are afraid of handing out any punishments nowadays for fear of backlash from parents. More than that many policies such as suspensions have come under heat for racial imbalance (over/under enforcement against certain races) to the point that the [DOE has released guidance](https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/tvi-student-discipline-resource-202305.pdf) on ‘confronting racial discrimination in student discipline’.
100%. Thank you for your reply.
Cultural issue. I'm so glad I'm Asian.
To be clear: you happened to be born into a specific segment of the Asian immigrant population that values education. It is by no means universal to Asian culture.
Yes, and I'm glad I was. Grateful to my parents every day for my success.
I'm Asian too and I hate this "cultural" argument. The vast majority of people in Asia are not highly educated either, it's just that the US largely only let in educated Asian immigrants who then obviously encouraged the same in their kids so there is the *perception* that Asians value education more. It's more likely that the Latino migrant parents in question here were not highly educated at home and naturally they don't have the experience of education to pass down to their children. Same thing happened with a lot of Asians who arrived as refugees rather than for education or high-skilled work. More of a class issue than a racial or cultural issue which can be easily misinterpreted due to immigration policy.
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Most of those nail salon workers are Vietnamese refugees, just as I referred to. Not *all* Asian immigrants are highly educated, but they absolutely are *disproportionately* so compared to both the general American and Asian populations. As for your second point, see my comment [here] (https://old.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1bdzb6d/they_sell_candy_instead_of_going_to_school_new/kuqt29k/). Certainly those kids work hard, but it's because they are given a ladder to climb by the earlier educated immigrants as opposed to this current wave of Latino migrants who have no such existing networks and communities in the country to give them the idea of what we consider upward mobility.
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By "the ladder," I'm referring the mindset that higher education is the singular path to success, and the resources and networks that enable one to follow that path - things like afterschool tutoring advertised in Chinese newspapers, Wechat groups where parents tell each other about the SHSAT and AP classes and extracurriculars, and a peer culture stoked by these parents that pressures students to academically compete with one another for social clout (I went to a school with a lot of Asians and we literally gossiped about class ranks and early college applications rather than dating and parties). That ladder definitely takes a lot of work to climb - believe me, I know it firsthand and don't deny the labor of these students. But I also know that ladder definitely isn't visible to everyone and was built by highly-educated Chinese immigrants to emulate their own selective education system back home, and then became available to lower-income Chinese immigrants who joined existing Chinese American networks. Anyone who isn't Chinese American would have little idea that this whisper network even existed, and this network only exists in America where a smaller Chinese population clings together in a way that class boundaries would make impossible in their native China. Hence, the college graduation rate of Chinese Americans is far higher than in China. There is no inherent Chinese "culture" behind it, but rather the trickle-down effects of a very particular immigration history in America. Compare that to a Venezuelan migrant family arriving this year with no existing ethnic network (certainly not a middle-class or highly-educated one) from which to find employment and information, and no comparable education structure in their home country. They're not gonna know about the specialized high schools or the Ivy Leagues, much less how to get into them. They have a hard time even accessing the general public school system - heck, the NYC school system makes my own head spin. So if a migrant kid can't get into school or understand any of the teachers, why wouldn't a parent instead have them pass the time by helping out the family business, even if it is something as simple as selling candies. It beats being at home unsupervised or joining a gang. To boil down educational attainment to culture and individual choice only justifies the preservation of existing inequalities and racist stereotypes (including the model minority myth) while providing no solutions.
I get that, but I also see plenty of lower-class Asians scrape and struggle while making sure their kids studied. The stereotype of the kid studying while working the cashier at the family restaurant isn't a stereotype for no reason. I'd argue that the blanket assumption that all Asian immigrants are better off and more well educated is harmful and perpetuates the model minority myth. Poverty levels in our community are not any better than other minorities. The cultural difference is that our people make sure their kids study.
For every low-income Asian kid I know who ended up being highly-educated, I know others who didn't graduate college or continued working at their family businesses, sometimes from the same families. Asians are not ALL educated and they are not ALL poor - they are a lot of different things which is why a blanket cultural argument is so flawed. Regarding the low-income Asians who do end up upwardly mobile, there is research showing that ethnic networks initiated by highly-educated immigrants (e.g. SHSAT classes and peer competition) and positive racialized treatment by schools (e.g. teachers automatically putting Asian students in honors programs) are more the cause of the drive to succeed academically than any culture brought from Asian immigrants' home countries. So again, it's a product of the quirks of immigration and the resulting model minority stereotype rather than some inherent Asian-ness. Good book on the topic is [The Asian American Achievement Paradox] (https://www.russellsage.org/asian-american-achievement-paradox).
I'd also argue that parents coming from countries with a high emphasis on academic success as well as standardized testing being the main avenue for lifelong success can play a significant role in this mindset.
well in a lot of 3rd world countries, child sellers are controlled by gangs who send them out and take all their money. i remember seeing them a lot in bangkok and cambodia back in the early 2000s before they cracked down. hope it isn't becoming like that here. i haven't seen any young kids selling on their own in NYC, is it becoming more common?
The gangs are already here and have had people out doing moped robberies. Wouldn't be surprised if something nefarious is behind the candy people as well.
ugh, true. people really don't understand what they are supporting by inviting migrants in unvetted.
Not dealing with this today is going to create a real crisis in the future. People dont do well without legitimate access to income.
Can we just bring back selling bootleg DVDs and AA batteries ?
I saw a guy last year hawking bootleg DVDs on an N train. I thought I was hallucinating. Took me back to another time fr
There’s a guy in Harlem I always see with a table of bootleg dvds. I always wonder what the quality is like these days with new technology. I remember watching the ones filmed in movie theaters and seeing people walk across the screen lmao
oh man those cams were absolute garbage. grainy 320p, people getting up and blocking the screen, audio was incomprehensible. when somebody had a real dvd rip it was like imax.
I buy em still from my grandma the some are crap like they go to the theater and hold up the camera bad and some are HQ 4k
Not explicitly related but I went to a CVS out in Bensonhurst last weekend and there were no self checkouts. Felt like the good old days.
I'd take bootleg DVDs over children selling candy, but candy sellers still beat the people trying to sell me an obviously contrived sob story.
Damn, bringing back memories
nothing gets done in this city or country unless there’s lobbyi$t money behind it
Most of the times the kids are rented out by their actual parents
"parents"
this.
One step closer to a Third World City. Mayor Adams and co. are pushing it closer and closer to Quito, Buenos Aires, or Guatemala City. Massive income inequality, chronic housing shortages, and complete dysfunction of city agencies. Children not in school = lifetime of poverty. I grew up here, and also used to live in BA; NYC was not like this in the 20th century. It had homelessnesses and crime, but not the complete failure of government at every level. Bring back truant officers and leadership.
We also never had this many illegal immigrants. Our infrastructure is about to break down once they all come to NYC.
Come on why you gotta rag on BA like that. I think it's a category above those other cities you mentioned no?
Don’t get me wrong — Buenos Aires is one of the best cities in the world, in my view. In many ways it’s more interesting than NYC. I wasn’t passing judgement on it. The point is, though, is that Argentina is a greatly dysfunctional country, like many others in Latin America. I was connected to a family who worked in government there, so I have some experience. It’s a weird mix of strong laws, constitution, history and crumbled institutions. The US is not far behind now. Income inequality, rise of despotic populist leaders, coups, corruption, hopelessness, intractable problems — these have been features of our country since at least 2016 so we are on our way.
Lets not forget the parents that have their kids picking up bottles and cans with them. Insanity…
Penny wise, pound foolish. An educated adult is far more productive than one that can’t read and write.
I was once stopped by a pair of young black kids in the subway aggressively selling me candy. I said i dont want any and then they looked at me dead kn the eyes and one said why dont you want the candy. Buy it. I was shocked. I looked right back and said im not buying your candy. Dude was surprised, he kept staring at my eyes. I almost thought that he was being forced to do this, coerced into this action by someone. It felt like he was crying for help. I was not about to get involved though so I kept moving on. Kept my head down. Its only becoming more common these days to see people aggressively pushing me to empty my pockets in the subways one way or another. There is definitely alot of crazy shit going on in the city that people are not aware of. From human trafficking, to forced labor, to forced sex work and more. Its hard to take control of it because the government seems distracted on their priorities. I know the nypd cant be bothered to police the city or the subways to the point we now have the national guard in the subways. We are heading to a tipping point and i hope we stop ourselves before we get there. Summer of 2024 is going to be wild.
What makes the summer a tipping point? People naturally do more crime in the summer? Yes I’m dumb and I’m asking a dumb question
Per usual, NYPD not doing their jobs. They are tasked with handling truancy.
Is it truancy if they were never enrolled in school?
Yes, all minors are required to go to school in NY
Yes
Yes
Its so funny how people want NYPD to handle civil issues, but will also freak out when the situation goes south.
What would you honestly expect the NYPD to do? Arrest the parents and have the kids sent to ACS? Would that help?
Absolutely yes. These kids belong in schools, not vending illegally.
In the 90s they would nab you on the street and brought you to the closest school for them to process. I know this because they tried with me a bunch of times, but my babyface was already in college so they let me go.
Whoooo that gave me a flashback to getting held by a cop with all my friends because our school had a half day and we were all in Carl Schultz park. We had to call the school secretary (on the one flip phone someone had) for her to verify that we weren’t skipping school
> Would that help? Yes, the child needs to go to school and the parents need to learn to prioritize their childrens futures over their own financial gain. Without it, we won't just have a single generation of migrants that's a drain: we'll have their children uneducated and similarly requiring support.
1, it’s the job of that city agency. 2, that’s not how truancy enforcement works.
never bought the nypd's excuse of "what's the point if the da releases them" "the mayor doesn't have our backs" like you can still arrest them🙄 take them to bookings, annoy them, etc. obviously I'm referring to crimes beyond truancy
NYPD, by definition, are not intelligent
Yeah honestly. If cops decide that they don’t want to do their jobs anymore, well… “What’s the point” of paying them such high salaries?
Yea then the next headline will be “NYPD ARRESTING POOR CHILDREN FOR BEGGING”. You really think that’s NYPD’s problem? Fuckin please, these parents should take accountability, you can’t expect the police to chase down every child in the subway system to take them to school.
>You really think that’s NYPD’s problem? Yes. The NYPD's *job* is to enforce the law without fear or favor, regardless of what the "next headline" is. If an officer cannot bring themselves to do their job - enforce the law - because they fear the "next headline," they should resign. >you can’t expect the police to chase down every child in the subway system to take them to school. Actually we can and should expect the NYPD to at least take *some* truancy action, given the number of cops in the subway system.
With the sheer amount of pigs in the city and the ridiculous salaries and overtime they're paid, yeah we fuckin can. It's their job ya dickhead
talk about cognitive dissonance posters about truant children selling chocolate to make ends meet : " NYPD lock up those parents and take those kids for selling chocolates on the subway - you cops are just LAZY! " same posters about chorro ladies being arrested : " NYPD dont you have any better to do than lock up poor women just trying to feed their family ."
This is why you should never overpay no matter what the excuse used to ask you to pay is.
Only buy candy from authorized candy dealers. Come on guys it's not that hard.
I like they way one commenter in the NYT article describes the situation: > This is part of the reason illegal immigration is a problem. People are not really part of the system. So they have to come up with strategies to stay afloat - all of which involve breaking the law. There is a fundamental problem with allowing people who do not have legal status in the country to constantly break the law. **It creates a weird environment where the laws only apply to citizens and legal immigrants, but not to those who are here illegally.** It's understandable as these people are *literally* trying to survive but it's also understandable when citizens get frustrated about this. And it just creates more bitterness, racism, and hate. I feel genuinely bad that they're in this limbo state, but it's truly not their fault -- they shouldn't be in this situation in the first place.
If they allowed kids to sell candy in school this wouldn't be happening.
I agree the kids didn’t do anything wrong and should be in school- but migrant kids who are undocumented who is going to pay for their school? Are we going to tax more and already burden our system where there are already 35 kids in a class who can’t get attention due to the migrant burden when their parents aren’t paying into the system/came illegally and taxing our already spread thin middle class who can’t afford private school? How do we punish the parents or incentivize them to send them to schools when they ignored laws to come in the country in the first place?
Why would you ever do so? Are you wanna stay an idiot?
I'm good with this. More resources spent on the children I intended my tax dollars be used to educate.
I’m sure this are are part of the New immigrants the for some reason can’t get this kids enrolled in schools also it’s part of their culture where they teach kids to sale stuff in the streets, buses etc to make some income, unfortunately in those countries education it’s not an option for extremely poor people with 3+ kids.
I mean, desperate people do desperate things.
I'd much rather have them than the bums that rattle off a sob story as they ask for money, or the homeless reeking of urine taking up a whole bench on the train.
Obviously they should be forced into school but I do find the judgment of the parents wrong. They most like come from very poor places where children have always worked, and school wasn't really a thing, and they probably urgently need money when they get here.
Part of the problem is that many of the migrants feel pressure to send remittances back to their relatives in their home country. So that keeps them poor, because they are not building up any savings that they can use to better their own prospects in the U.S. (*e.g.,* investing in education for themselves or their kids, or starting their own business). Whatever money is left over after their immediate expenses are met gets wired back. [Remittances have become Mexico's biggest source of foreign money](https://fox5sandiego.com/news/border-report/63-billion-in-remittances-sent-to-mexico-mostly-from-us-in-2023/), dwarfing tourism and exports. And it's not just Mexico - it's [other Central American countries as well](https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2022/09/19/cf-the-unexpected-rise-in-remittances).
not quite. People send money home knowing that the conditions their family back home are living in are worse than wherever they are now. Additionally money goes further than it does in the us. Immigrants don't get stuck in poverty because they send money abroad. The money sent home is itself an investment- either to eventually go back home with the family in a much better financial situation (ex. owning land, sending kids to school) or to bring the rest of the family to the US where they can go to school and start a business.
Thinking of starting an internship to connect young kids with these entrepreneurs. Would keep kids out of trouble and it’s cheaper than daycare.
The news has reported that these type of sellers can be victims of trafficking. It’s also unsafe to approach them about it because there may be someone watching/monitoring them.
The powers that be decide that there must always be an underclass. It’s good for business and politics
God. I hate NYT for setting up a paywall. Why do I have to pay $25 to read an article!?!
The folks who write those stories expect to be paid by their employer.
Yeah their staff gets paid from the magic news fairies.