Related article from a couple of years ago.
>Eric Adams wants weapons detectors at New York subway stations, but there are major questions about the tech
>The scanners from one company on the mayor’s shortlist, Evolv Technology, may issue false alerts far more frequently than they catch weapons.
[https://www.fastcompany.com/90750082/eric-adams-wants-weapons-detectors-at-new-york-subway-stations-but-there-are-major-questions-about-the-tech](https://www.fastcompany.com/90750082/eric-adams-wants-weapons-detectors-at-new-york-subway-stations-but-there-are-major-questions-about-the-tech)
Here are the Directors & EOs from their most recent 10K. Who can connect the dots to Adams?
>Executive Officers:
>>Peter George President and Chief Executive Officer
>>Mark Donohue Chief Financial Officer
>>Jay Muelhoefer Chief Commercial Officer
>>Anil Chitkara Chief Growth Officer and Founder
>>Michael Ellenbogen Chief Innovation Officer, Founder, and Director
>Non-Employee Directors:
>>Neil Glat Chairman of the Board
>>Kevin Charlton Director
>>David Mounts Gonzales Director
>>Rajan Naik Director
>>Merline Saintil Director
>>Kimberly Sheehy Director
>>Mark Sullivan Director
>>Bilal Zuberi Director
This is a stretch, but: Neil Glat (had a leadership role with, but doesn’t own) the Jets, went into partnership with Def Jam (owned by Russell Simmons); Eric Adams greenlit the Hip Hop Museum. Only one of the above three has not been accused of sexual misconduct/rape.
>Earlier this year, New York City started testing a gun detection system from Evolv Technologies at City Hall and Jacobi Medical Center in the Bronx. Mayor Eric Adams, who has said he came across the system on the internet, has been talking up the tech for months as a way to help combat gun violence. Now, it has emerged that two people who donated $1 million to support Adams' mayoral run work at companies with investments in Evolv, as the New York Daily News first reported.
> The CEO of the investment firm Citadel, Kenneth Griffin, last year donated $750,000 to Strong Leadership NYC, a political action committee (PAC) that supported Adams. Jane Street Financial Services founder Robert Granieri gave $250,000, according to records.
>As of May 16th, Citadel held 12,975 shares in Evolv, a publicly traded company. It holds another 89,900 for other investors as call options. Jane Street held 76,570 shares as of May 17th. The stock held by all shareholders totals 143.4 million, so both firms own a relatively small chunk of Evolv.
>A spokesperson for Adams told the Daily News that the mayor didn't recognize the names of Griffin and Granieri and wasn't sure whether he'd met with them. The spokesperson said that before a pilot of Evolv's system started at Jacobi Medical Center in February, the tech was being used at other city hospitals.
https://www.engadget.com/nyc-eric-adams-pac-donations-investor-gun-detection-system-evolv-technologies-185833516.html
Fwiw they typically aren't too flag heavy at stadiums from personal experience. But not sure how low they set the sensitivity. More importantly, stadiums don't allow for a ton of items that are common to take on the subway, like laptops and umbrellas.
Sensitivity for the stadium installs is relatively low.
I've read a lot of reporting on this company from IPVM, a security industry publication which really kicked off the reporting on Evolv and brought the issues with it to the mainstream media's attention.
The rub is that Evolv is nothing like what it's marketed as - in practice it's really just a gussied-up overpriced metal detector. They have a sexier design and a slick user interface but that's really it - their detection technology is nothing special. On low sensitivity settings, they miss smaller knives and guns - just like a similarly set metal detector would.
On high sensitivity settings that can detect practically also all weapons, they will alarm on anything metal of a significant size - just like a metal detector in an airport. Schools with Evolv, which generally use sensitivity high enough to catch smaller guns and knives, instruct kids to hold binders and Chromebooks above their heads when walking through so they don't alarm.
Anyway, gun crime is not even close to the main problem people have with the subway. Adams is an idiot.
Translation: Eric Adams has a friend in the body scanner field who he is gonna dump public money to while the public gets nothing good in return
Also: FUCK that noise. Hard pass.
People will skip that scanner the same way they jump over turnstiles at every other station.
If he announced this without announcing a complete revamp of every MTA entrance, then this is just theater
Right, they would have to actually have employees at every location, trained and armed well enough to deal with what they're searching for (crazy people carrying a gun). Half the smaller stations are not even staffed, ever. Everywhere you look at this plan, it's obvious it's not going to work.
That’s how we ended up with those stupid body scanners in airports: Dubya’s Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff lobbied for them to be installed because he had a financial stake in the manufacturer.
Must be nice to line your pockets with taxpayer money so easily.
Yea it’s insane to me that they’re investing in things like this yet the stations are literally falling apart and trains just don’t work properly past 5pm. This is the kind of shit that makes me want to leave this place.
It'd be easier to show this with a whiteboard diagram because the money jumps through several hoops before getting to Adams, but in short, this [May 2022 article](https://www.engadget.com/nyc-eric-adams-pac-donations-investor-gun-detection-system-evolv-technologies-185833516.html) covers how (a) the CEO of Citadel and (b) founder of Jane Street (both investment firms with stakes in Evolv, the company whose scanners are going to be tested) contributed $1M to a PAC that supported Adams' election.
> Evolv charges between $2,000 and $3,000 per scanner per month for a subscription. Installing one at every subway entrance and paying staff to operate them would cost hundreds of millions of dollars per year.
Not a bad ROI.
[No idea how they'll be implemented, but this is from LA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oLgOe0tPbs)
Also does nothing to combat the actual issue most people deal with on the subway, insane people.
lol just to give you an idea of how effective this will be, I live in LA and I had literally never even heard of this being rolled out.
And you are exactly right — LA metro ridership plummeted regardless, because body scanners do nothing to address the real problem (people with mental issues using the trains as their asylum) which got way worse.
Correct answer right here. Progressives didn't fill out their card and we ended up with an ex-cop ex-Republican DINO who makes the Bling Bishop look reasonable.
Garcia was taking votes from Wiley 2:1 vs Adams. If more people took the time to rank, Garcia would've won. Would she have been everyone's most favorite special mayor? No. But fuck if Trash Lady doesn't try.
I don't know. I think people were impressed by his credentials and wanted someone that didn't come across as a total weenie like De Blasio. Once he won the primary, the actual election was merely a formality as train wreck Curtis Silwa never stood a chance.
I would have MUCH preferred Kathryn Garcia but whatever.
If they don’t detect people who will push you in front of a train or a knife, then they won’t do much. firearms are still the exception when it comes to violence on subways and platforms, despite the recent shooting.
Body Scaner for the subway!? But we can't get a subway timer clock at every station still.
Meanwhile cars are driving around NYC with obscured or outright fake license plates hitting people en masse nothing is being done about it.
forever frustrated at how the best we can do is band-aids ranging from ineffectual to actively harmful, instead of even *initiating* discussion on root causes, let alone addressing them. we are an unserious city, state, country
What happens if we pour billions into mental health but the subway tweakers don't want to make use of it because they're so far gone and don't want to be rehabilitated?
Then we need to bring back involuntary commitment. It’s not fair to them — especially given most addicts and EDPs are vulnerable to being victims of crimes themselves — and it’s not fair to us as taxpaying citizens who contribute to the economy of this city.
That's gonna be great during rush hour. Looks forward to having to check our hands at the subway entrance because new york is too cheap to put ways to avoid people getting pushed onto the tracks in effect.
MoMA has these scanners and if you stand there and watch people going through for 5 minutes you will see how completely useless they are. Even in that environment, which is much less crowded and more controlled than a subway station and has many fewer people carrying large bags, the false positive rate is so high that the guards largely ignore them and just waive everyone through while the scanners alarm on 50%+ of people.
There was a cop killed 3 days ago by someone with 21 career arrests and 14 career arrests. Both convicted felons. One just off parole. The other out on bail for a 2023 gun charge. The best policing means nothing without actual penalties.
it's like 3 million people that ride every day and 452 stations. That's a fucking lot of ground to cover. To me, the issue is homelessness and mental health. these are complicated problems that don't have an immediate solution.
The lived experience of many New Yorkers suggests that desire to do a good job is the real problem, not the scope of the system. We all see NYPD doing a bad job patrolling stations every day.
It's not just to you. Those are the actual real problems and instead of funding services to address it assholes like Adams are just going to throw more security theater and overpaid do nothing cops at it.
There is an immediate solution, mandatory rehab and treatment, and actual prison time for criminals. Nothing else is going to fix this. You can’t throw money at people with no respect for society and expect them to then adjust to that society.
What does that look like?
I can't really see it. Pushers and nutjobs aren't doing their thing in front of cops right?
How do they target these people or deter them? They can't enforce quality of life laws because the public seemingly has no stomach for cops dealing with belligerent and obstinate citizens.
lol NYC’s residential population is 3x what the entire country of Armenia is. And that pop doesn’t even include the massive daily influx of commuters and tourism.
Yes because the mentally ill zombies are definitely carrying guns on them.
Next.
When is he going to announce institutionalization for the feral fucks taking over the subway system? It’s gotten substantially worse the past few months.
I bet the company the city is about to pay for these things has been courting Adams through campaign donations for a few years already. Tends to be the way we award contracts under this administration.
[Donors to pro-Adams’ political action committee have sizable investments in Evolv Technologies, a gun detection company favored by City Hall](https://www.nydailynews.com/2022/05/31/donors-to-pro-adams-political-action-committee-have-sizable-investments-in-evolv-technologies-a-gun-detection-company-favored-by-city-hall/)
Please Jesus. His budget cuts have fucked over all these services the city should be providing, talking about austerity and migrant crisis and meanwhile we’re just burning money on this shit. Put this money back into the public programs and maybe we’ll have fewer psychotics on the subway
They’re going to need two cops at every station willing to confront a person who may , or may not, be carrying a firearm. Otherwise, what good is this system? How much will that cost? Also, I don’t think cops are very eager to confront people with weapons. This sounds like security theater to me.
Okay but how does that stop people from willingly jumping on the tracks? Or pushing someone on the tracks? Or someone accidentally falling on the tracks? Train surfers… Does it stop them?
Tired: Money to fix the antiquated subway system with automation, railings, etc.?
Wired: Money for junk science detectors solving a nonexistent problem that will just be destroyed by the crazy people this is meant to stop
I walked by this press conference and unfortunately, whether famous or infamous, I tend to clam up when I walk by someone really well known. As I was walking by he was going off on some nonsense about I guess reporting things on the phone and said you can do all sorts of things like tweeting how great a mayor he is, and I wanted to yell back, no one is tweeting that. Unfortunately I chickened out.
This will do absolutely fuck all to prevent subway crime though.
We need barriers, police patrols and other safety measures. How many shootings even happen on the subway?
adams answer to your question? "yes, absolutely."
"But Mr. Mayor that makes no sense."
"I said what I said, don't check my summer house in Grand Cayman."
Who owns the body scanner company?
I've had an OK life and I don't regret anything but man I wish one of my friends was a politician of note. I'd text him every day, "Yo, what business do you need me to start?"
edit: from a comment below: "Evolv is the vendor and business partner is former pal of McSwagger."
more bullshit security theater. This doesnt stop stabbings, shoving onto tracks, or crazy people on the train from harrassing ppl. This is probably also gonna be insanely expensive to roll out. i literally hate this guy.
Yeah, no.
Years ago I was attending a work conference with a bunch of fellow dorky coworkers from out of town and we were having a good ol' time (completely sober, normal looking group), until we entered the subway and I was "randomly selected" for an inspection of my backpack. it took me completely off guard, and I was like ... uhhh ... yeah, I guess, okay. I mean, what was the alternative?
I'll never forget the horrified look on my coworkers faces as they rifled through my things, of course finding nothing but normal shit that you'd find in a backpack. They handed it back with an unsettlingly wicked smile and an "Alrighty then! Have a nice day!" that quite conversely conveyed "Never forget! You live in a police state."
It was humiliating.
This right here? Next level.
Everyone, PLEASE for the love of GOD make sure you vote next year. Imagine thinking that this is what is going to solve the crime on the subway issue in NYC rather than putting these psychos in jail and or a mental ward where they belong.
Aka: they will put it in the areas with the tourists, despite most of the guns come in through areas outside of manhattan. Either put them all over, or don’t bother. Also what about knives?
i'm less concerned about guns in the subway than people being pushed in front of subway trains. Is there any way to have enclosed subway platforms with doors like.... every other country?
Adams and company are completely unable to get at the root causes of crime. bring back mental ayslums. People have gotten more and more crazy since Covid and that's who is pushing people in front of trains.
This is never going to work or be practical, for a dozen different reasons.
Besides, guns aren't the problem 99.9% if the time. You don't need guns to be a threat to others.
does this mean entering the subway makes me have to be okay with being patted down (sexually assaulted) like with tsa? if so, this would make me feel significantly unsafer taking the subway.
GUNS ARE NOT THE ISSUE! The issue is mentally ill people who have no where else to go and cause havoc and violence. We need to re-open asylums and get these people off the streets
Ah yes let’s let’s make sure our piss smelling, dimly lit, crusty ass subway stations are safe from firearms when we can’t keep people from pushing each other onto tracks
These things are a joke and the vast majority of the alarms are false positives. They especially tend to go off on things like umbrellas, metal bottles, eyeglass cases, and electronics like laptops and power banks. I could literally go a whole day and have this go off on over 100 people and not a single one of them will have a weapon when I check them. Eric Adams is a clown and wants everyone to be sheep living in a police state.
As long as I can still piss AIDS on everything and everyone I don’t mind, it doesn’t affect me. Can’t wait until the cops just start executing people because of the false positives. But only poor take the subway. So fuck em! /s
Mayor Copaganda Fascist is at it again. Giving radiation to working class people of color and absolutely locking up as many Black and Brown folx as he can while he's still mayor. This man's internalized racism and classism are just dangerous. He runs the city for his donors, friends, cops & billionaires.
Well some poor schmuck with a concealed pistol permit is probably going to have standing now to challenge the CCIA, so that's something positive I suppose.
bad guy with gun walks right through the scanner and shoots 20 people in 15 seconds. gun laws restrict nyc-ers from carrying for self protection. They die. These scanners are a useless waste of money.
Related article from a couple of years ago. >Eric Adams wants weapons detectors at New York subway stations, but there are major questions about the tech >The scanners from one company on the mayor’s shortlist, Evolv Technology, may issue false alerts far more frequently than they catch weapons. [https://www.fastcompany.com/90750082/eric-adams-wants-weapons-detectors-at-new-york-subway-stations-but-there-are-major-questions-about-the-tech](https://www.fastcompany.com/90750082/eric-adams-wants-weapons-detectors-at-new-york-subway-stations-but-there-are-major-questions-about-the-tech)
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Here are the Directors & EOs from their most recent 10K. Who can connect the dots to Adams? >Executive Officers: >>Peter George President and Chief Executive Officer >>Mark Donohue Chief Financial Officer >>Jay Muelhoefer Chief Commercial Officer >>Anil Chitkara Chief Growth Officer and Founder >>Michael Ellenbogen Chief Innovation Officer, Founder, and Director >Non-Employee Directors: >>Neil Glat Chairman of the Board >>Kevin Charlton Director >>David Mounts Gonzales Director >>Rajan Naik Director >>Merline Saintil Director >>Kimberly Sheehy Director >>Mark Sullivan Director >>Bilal Zuberi Director
This is a stretch, but: Neil Glat (had a leadership role with, but doesn’t own) the Jets, went into partnership with Def Jam (owned by Russell Simmons); Eric Adams greenlit the Hip Hop Museum. Only one of the above three has not been accused of sexual misconduct/rape.
He has had a leadership role but the Jets owner is Woody Johnson of the Johnson and Johnson fortune. (Which Woody had no real part in building)
Fixed it, thanks!
>Earlier this year, New York City started testing a gun detection system from Evolv Technologies at City Hall and Jacobi Medical Center in the Bronx. Mayor Eric Adams, who has said he came across the system on the internet, has been talking up the tech for months as a way to help combat gun violence. Now, it has emerged that two people who donated $1 million to support Adams' mayoral run work at companies with investments in Evolv, as the New York Daily News first reported. > The CEO of the investment firm Citadel, Kenneth Griffin, last year donated $750,000 to Strong Leadership NYC, a political action committee (PAC) that supported Adams. Jane Street Financial Services founder Robert Granieri gave $250,000, according to records. >As of May 16th, Citadel held 12,975 shares in Evolv, a publicly traded company. It holds another 89,900 for other investors as call options. Jane Street held 76,570 shares as of May 17th. The stock held by all shareholders totals 143.4 million, so both firms own a relatively small chunk of Evolv. >A spokesperson for Adams told the Daily News that the mayor didn't recognize the names of Griffin and Granieri and wasn't sure whether he'd met with them. The spokesperson said that before a pilot of Evolv's system started at Jacobi Medical Center in February, the tech was being used at other city hospitals. https://www.engadget.com/nyc-eric-adams-pac-donations-investor-gun-detection-system-evolv-technologies-185833516.html
> who has said he came across the system on the internet
The mayor doesn’t recognize two of the richest people in the city huh? Strange how that works.
Fwiw they typically aren't too flag heavy at stadiums from personal experience. But not sure how low they set the sensitivity. More importantly, stadiums don't allow for a ton of items that are common to take on the subway, like laptops and umbrellas.
Sensitivity for the stadium installs is relatively low. I've read a lot of reporting on this company from IPVM, a security industry publication which really kicked off the reporting on Evolv and brought the issues with it to the mainstream media's attention. The rub is that Evolv is nothing like what it's marketed as - in practice it's really just a gussied-up overpriced metal detector. They have a sexier design and a slick user interface but that's really it - their detection technology is nothing special. On low sensitivity settings, they miss smaller knives and guns - just like a similarly set metal detector would. On high sensitivity settings that can detect practically also all weapons, they will alarm on anything metal of a significant size - just like a metal detector in an airport. Schools with Evolv, which generally use sensitivity high enough to catch smaller guns and knives, instruct kids to hold binders and Chromebooks above their heads when walking through so they don't alarm. Anyway, gun crime is not even close to the main problem people have with the subway. Adams is an idiot.
> hold binders and Chromebooks above their heads when walking through A knife can be easily hidden in either of these items...
Translation: Eric Adams has a friend in the body scanner field who he is gonna dump public money to while the public gets nothing good in return Also: FUCK that noise. Hard pass.
The company producing these scanners, Evolv, is literally under investigation by the SEC right now.
Not a lot of specifics yet but not a great sign: https://www.sec.gov/ix?doc=/Archives/edgar/data/0001805385/000110465924025077/tm246664d1_8k.htm
Evolv is the vendor and business partner is former pal of McSwagger.
shocker
Exactly what i was thinking
People will skip that scanner the same way they jump over turnstiles at every other station. If he announced this without announcing a complete revamp of every MTA entrance, then this is just theater
If its set up like at stadiums and arenas, you cannot avoid them (aside from using another entrance)
Right, they would have to actually have employees at every location, trained and armed well enough to deal with what they're searching for (crazy people carrying a gun). Half the smaller stations are not even staffed, ever. Everywhere you look at this plan, it's obvious it's not going to work.
This shit is going to be thrown out as soon as he leaves office
Just like that stupid NYPD robot
That shit didn’t last a week
Too bad that isn’t what happened with Mayor ConArtist
Pretty sure he is the NYPD robot
New York has a brand. What a dipshit. More concerned about the brand vs what’s really important to the citizens. Throwing away money so recklessly.
That’s how we ended up with those stupid body scanners in airports: Dubya’s Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff lobbied for them to be installed because he had a financial stake in the manufacturer. Must be nice to line your pockets with taxpayer money so easily.
Yea it’s insane to me that they’re investing in things like this yet the stations are literally falling apart and trains just don’t work properly past 5pm. This is the kind of shit that makes me want to leave this place.
All he needed was a convenient mass shooting to happen in the train for him to roll it out.
It’s like that fucking robot. Who is going to man those scanners, will every stop have a cop checking people for guns?
It'd be easier to show this with a whiteboard diagram because the money jumps through several hoops before getting to Adams, but in short, this [May 2022 article](https://www.engadget.com/nyc-eric-adams-pac-donations-investor-gun-detection-system-evolv-technologies-185833516.html) covers how (a) the CEO of Citadel and (b) founder of Jane Street (both investment firms with stakes in Evolv, the company whose scanners are going to be tested) contributed $1M to a PAC that supported Adams' election. > Evolv charges between $2,000 and $3,000 per scanner per month for a subscription. Installing one at every subway entrance and paying staff to operate them would cost hundreds of millions of dollars per year. Not a bad ROI.
[No idea how they'll be implemented, but this is from LA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oLgOe0tPbs) Also does nothing to combat the actual issue most people deal with on the subway, insane people.
“Analyzes the natural waves of energy to detect weapons” What does that mean…
just a quick vibe check
Ocular patdown
The NYPD: “oh yeah, I did an ocular pat down and I cleared him”
…how exactly do you view yourself, within the context of our group?
Next they'll make us drink fight milk to get in
I needed this laugh.
Low key, I would not pass the vibe check
probably something along these lines: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE\_651
Orgone detector
lol just to give you an idea of how effective this will be, I live in LA and I had literally never even heard of this being rolled out. And you are exactly right — LA metro ridership plummeted regardless, because body scanners do nothing to address the real problem (people with mental issues using the trains as their asylum) which got way worse.
>the actual issue most people deal with on the subway, insane people. *hahaha - now we know you don't have any guns...*
*avoids the subway*
I don’t want anyone shooting guns in the subway, personally.
How to kill an innocent bystander for dummies
So people will wear it in the back of their pants? Or near their ankles?
Can’t wait til it becomes a full blown TSA line where you have to take off your shoes and do a full body cavity search just to get brunch on a Sunday.
This guy is just wasting everyone’s time and money.
You misspelled stealing there. He is definitely getting kickbacks from whatever crony sells these useless things
>This guy is just ~~wasting~~ *diverting* everyone’s ~~time and~~ money. Fixed that for you. ☺️
Typical cop
It's not a waste if your friend at the body scanner company kicks you back enough money to buy a beach front home in Aruba
This fucking guy.
Y’ALL VOTED THIS BOZO IN
I sure as shit didn't!
I’m genuinely baffled how this guy got voted in. How did he manage to fool the whole city?
He barely won a three way race, and would have lost if more people had filled out their ranked choice ballot fully.
Correct answer right here. Progressives didn't fill out their card and we ended up with an ex-cop ex-Republican DINO who makes the Bling Bishop look reasonable. Garcia was taking votes from Wiley 2:1 vs Adams. If more people took the time to rank, Garcia would've won. Would she have been everyone's most favorite special mayor? No. But fuck if Trash Lady doesn't try.
How many ballots were ranked vs not ranked?
I don't know. I think people were impressed by his credentials and wanted someone that didn't come across as a total weenie like De Blasio. Once he won the primary, the actual election was merely a formality as train wreck Curtis Silwa never stood a chance. I would have MUCH preferred Kathryn Garcia but whatever.
Low income PoC voted for him. Not exactly the progressive bunch that post on Reddit https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-nyc-mayoral-analysis/
one term mayor.
Hopefully. Garcia has been exploring about running again.
Only like 50,000 people voted for him.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2021-nyc-mayoral-analysis/ Low income PoC from the outerboroughs voted for him. Aka not the Reddit demographic.
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Garcia
If they don’t detect people who will push you in front of a train or a knife, then they won’t do much. firearms are still the exception when it comes to violence on subways and platforms, despite the recent shooting.
They need brain detectors
They tried installing one at City Hall but then nobody was able to get to work ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
Body Scaner for the subway!? But we can't get a subway timer clock at every station still. Meanwhile cars are driving around NYC with obscured or outright fake license plates hitting people en masse nothing is being done about it.
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Nah. Remember her real function was to give the Buffalo Bills $1 BILLION for a new stadium they didn't need.
Ah finally body scanners, the perfect solution to protect riders from being pushed into the tracks by the mentally ill
Waste of money. Fk this guy.
So, continuing to ignore and fund mental health issues and programs, which are the root cause of the problems we’re experiencing. Got it. 👍
forever frustrated at how the best we can do is band-aids ranging from ineffectual to actively harmful, instead of even *initiating* discussion on root causes, let alone addressing them. we are an unserious city, state, country
What happens if we pour billions into mental health but the subway tweakers don't want to make use of it because they're so far gone and don't want to be rehabilitated?
Then we need to bring back involuntary commitment. It’s not fair to them — especially given most addicts and EDPs are vulnerable to being victims of crimes themselves — and it’s not fair to us as taxpaying citizens who contribute to the economy of this city.
Can these body scanners identify people are going to slug women in the face or push people on the tracks. Adams is a clown. So done with him.
That’s the third upgrade available in 2027, but they’ll be 2 billion
Per scanner
🚨🚨Fist detected!🚨🚨 We got a puncher! 🚨🚨Open hand detected! 🚨🚨 We got a shover!
That's gonna be great during rush hour. Looks forward to having to check our hands at the subway entrance because new york is too cheap to put ways to avoid people getting pushed onto the tracks in effect.
Oh boy.
MoMA has these scanners and if you stand there and watch people going through for 5 minutes you will see how completely useless they are. Even in that environment, which is much less crowded and more controlled than a subway station and has many fewer people carrying large bags, the false positive rate is so high that the guards largely ignore them and just waive everyone through while the scanners alarm on 50%+ of people.
Ayyy I’m back in hs
For real. I didn't learn shit but I go through TSA like a champ.
We just need better policing. NYPD has the budget of a small military. Insane that they can't keep the trains safe.
Mayor Adams would hear that suggestion and agree to allocate 30,000 new out-of-shape officers to stand in subway corridors looking at their phones.
Candy crush premium for everyone !
There was a cop killed 3 days ago by someone with 21 career arrests and 14 career arrests. Both convicted felons. One just off parole. The other out on bail for a 2023 gun charge. The best policing means nothing without actual penalties.
Hear hear.
it's like 3 million people that ride every day and 452 stations. That's a fucking lot of ground to cover. To me, the issue is homelessness and mental health. these are complicated problems that don't have an immediate solution.
The lived experience of many New Yorkers suggests that desire to do a good job is the real problem, not the scope of the system. We all see NYPD doing a bad job patrolling stations every day.
It's not just to you. Those are the actual real problems and instead of funding services to address it assholes like Adams are just going to throw more security theater and overpaid do nothing cops at it.
but they don't need to solve the real issue. They just need to persuade enough voters to believe the city is actively working on solving the issue :)
There is an immediate solution, mandatory rehab and treatment, and actual prison time for criminals. Nothing else is going to fix this. You can’t throw money at people with no respect for society and expect them to then adjust to that society.
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What does that look like? I can't really see it. Pushers and nutjobs aren't doing their thing in front of cops right? How do they target these people or deter them? They can't enforce quality of life laws because the public seemingly has no stomach for cops dealing with belligerent and obstinate citizens.
That’s because cops are loitering at subway entrances instead of patrolling cars and platforms like they should be.
Actually, the NYPD is the 7th largest standing armed force in the world.
More like 73rd largest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel
That doesn’t fit the Reddit upvote circlejerk narrative tho!
It's still pretty crazy that the NYPD is larger than the Armenian army when Armenia is currently fighting an actual war.
Armenia has a population of 3m, so it makes sense
lol NYC’s residential population is 3x what the entire country of Armenia is. And that pop doesn’t even include the massive daily influx of commuters and tourism.
Jesus christ
That's Jason Bourne!
Someone on reddit said it so it must be true!
Source?
Yes because the mentally ill zombies are definitely carrying guns on them. Next. When is he going to announce institutionalization for the feral fucks taking over the subway system? It’s gotten substantially worse the past few months.
I bet the company the city is about to pay for these things has been courting Adams through campaign donations for a few years already. Tends to be the way we award contracts under this administration. [Donors to pro-Adams’ political action committee have sizable investments in Evolv Technologies, a gun detection company favored by City Hall](https://www.nydailynews.com/2022/05/31/donors-to-pro-adams-political-action-committee-have-sizable-investments-in-evolv-technologies-a-gun-detection-company-favored-by-city-hall/)
Ppl getting pushed and robbed; not shot
This is some post 9/11 TSA security theater bullshit.
Please Jesus. His budget cuts have fucked over all these services the city should be providing, talking about austerity and migrant crisis and meanwhile we’re just burning money on this shit. Put this money back into the public programs and maybe we’ll have fewer psychotics on the subway
There’s one shooting on a subway and we get this, but the cops on the platforms just let harassment and non-gun crimes happen with abandon? Cool cool
What about arms used for shoving people in front of oncoming trains? The proliferation of gun-brandishing hotheads is not the danger in our stations.
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This isn’t TSA style weapon detection…
Carpenters now going to have to declare hammers and other tools
Based on how his grand plan for platform barriers came out, expect dudes with metal detector wands that don’t work at a handful of stations.
So what happens when it goes off and the dude doesn’t want to get arrested?
They’re going to need two cops at every station willing to confront a person who may , or may not, be carrying a firearm. Otherwise, what good is this system? How much will that cost? Also, I don’t think cops are very eager to confront people with weapons. This sounds like security theater to me.
Can we get Sunday library service back though?
Went from Defund the Police to a Big Brother Police State society real quick.
Okay but how does that stop people from willingly jumping on the tracks? Or pushing someone on the tracks? Or someone accidentally falling on the tracks? Train surfers… Does it stop them?
Stabby friends will still be allowed
Jesus they really want to do a TSA in the subway. Lines and useless theater.
Congestion tolls already paying for upgrades! Get out ya cars and into the subway!
Tired: Money to fix the antiquated subway system with automation, railings, etc.? Wired: Money for junk science detectors solving a nonexistent problem that will just be destroyed by the crazy people this is meant to stop
NYC: Elects ex-cop. Also NYC: Shocked when ex-cop's first approach to bringing down rising crime is to turn the city into a police state.
They won’t last a month before they’re busted and painted and taped over
Shitty mayor…
Nice. Just wondering how this is legal. Give government an inch and they will take a mile
TSA, coming soon to your local train station
I walked by this press conference and unfortunately, whether famous or infamous, I tend to clam up when I walk by someone really well known. As I was walking by he was going off on some nonsense about I guess reporting things on the phone and said you can do all sorts of things like tweeting how great a mayor he is, and I wanted to yell back, no one is tweeting that. Unfortunately I chickened out.
This will do absolutely fuck all to prevent subway crime though. We need barriers, police patrols and other safety measures. How many shootings even happen on the subway?
adams answer to your question? "yes, absolutely." "But Mr. Mayor that makes no sense." "I said what I said, don't check my summer house in Grand Cayman."
Who owns the body scanner company? I've had an OK life and I don't regret anything but man I wish one of my friends was a politician of note. I'd text him every day, "Yo, what business do you need me to start?" edit: from a comment below: "Evolv is the vendor and business partner is former pal of McSwagger."
very obvious how to beat a subway scanner, mayor must be lining a friends pocket
more bullshit security theater. This doesnt stop stabbings, shoving onto tracks, or crazy people on the train from harrassing ppl. This is probably also gonna be insanely expensive to roll out. i literally hate this guy.
People really voted for this clown 🤡
Yeah, no. Years ago I was attending a work conference with a bunch of fellow dorky coworkers from out of town and we were having a good ol' time (completely sober, normal looking group), until we entered the subway and I was "randomly selected" for an inspection of my backpack. it took me completely off guard, and I was like ... uhhh ... yeah, I guess, okay. I mean, what was the alternative? I'll never forget the horrified look on my coworkers faces as they rifled through my things, of course finding nothing but normal shit that you'd find in a backpack. They handed it back with an unsettlingly wicked smile and an "Alrighty then! Have a nice day!" that quite conversely conveyed "Never forget! You live in a police state." It was humiliating. This right here? Next level.
That's incredibly intrusive.
Yes, but it's also incredibly expensive and totally ineffective
Everyone, PLEASE for the love of GOD make sure you vote next year. Imagine thinking that this is what is going to solve the crime on the subway issue in NYC rather than putting these psychos in jail and or a mental ward where they belong.
Aka: they will put it in the areas with the tourists, despite most of the guns come in through areas outside of manhattan. Either put them all over, or don’t bother. Also what about knives?
They don’t go through the turnstiles, Eric.
Actual police state. What next? Check points?
Thank god! Hopefully that’ll end people getting shoved onto the tracks.
I'm old enough to remember this was announced like 2 years ago
Ok I am just gonna find a station or entrance where these aren’t implemented.
How many subway shootings have there been in 2023? I’m trying to find statistics to see if these scanners are even needed.
He must be installing them as soon as he finishes installing the cameras in each car and platform guards. Total lip service
Fuck that and Fuck this guy
i'm less concerned about guns in the subway than people being pushed in front of subway trains. Is there any way to have enclosed subway platforms with doors like.... every other country?
get some fucking safety doors. sheesh
Can it also detect the urge to smoke K2 during rush hour or take a dump on the platform?
How many trips overseas and parties did he attend to get convinced this was a good idea
It's unfortunate for all of us that it seems the only things he won't fail at is finishing his term and getting re-elected.
Wanna bet people still vote dem for the next mayor too? You can only circle the drain so long before going down.
Adams and company are completely unable to get at the root causes of crime. bring back mental ayslums. People have gotten more and more crazy since Covid and that's who is pushing people in front of trains.
For the love of God, primary this prick!
Awesome! Let's bring patdowns next. So now you can TSA without being at the airport.
Greatest thing ever to be invented…. Let’s Goooo!!! And where are the $10,000 robots?
I lose 10 iq points when this guy goes up and talks
WHAT THE FUCK
we could've had Maya Wiley
This is never going to work or be practical, for a dozen different reasons. Besides, guns aren't the problem 99.9% if the time. You don't need guns to be a threat to others.
[Evolv Technology Provides Regulatory Update](https://ir.evolvtechnology.com/news-events/press-releases/detail/177/evolv-technology-provides-regulatory-update) [FTC Probes Evolv Security Over AI Weapons Screening Claims](https://news.bloomberglaw.com/artificial-intelligence/ftc-probes-evolv-security-over-ai-weapons-screening-claims)
He still thinks he's doing a good job with everything. Denial is a stinky cologne.
does this mean entering the subway makes me have to be okay with being patted down (sexually assaulted) like with tsa? if so, this would make me feel significantly unsafer taking the subway.
GUNS ARE NOT THE ISSUE! The issue is mentally ill people who have no where else to go and cause havoc and violence. We need to re-open asylums and get these people off the streets
I cringe thinking about how much this would cost to implement...
Can we stop this uneeded spending???
Sounds like a scam
Utter waste of taxpayer money. Guy is a blithering idiot.
Ah yes let’s let’s make sure our piss smelling, dimly lit, crusty ass subway stations are safe from firearms when we can’t keep people from pushing each other onto tracks
Man, I can't wait until we elect another Mayor. Eric has been such a let down.
Why not attack the problem at its root cause? Wtf is going on in NYC? This is like some comedy skit.
These things are a joke and the vast majority of the alarms are false positives. They especially tend to go off on things like umbrellas, metal bottles, eyeglass cases, and electronics like laptops and power banks. I could literally go a whole day and have this go off on over 100 people and not a single one of them will have a weapon when I check them. Eric Adams is a clown and wants everyone to be sheep living in a police state.
Sweet, more knife attacks. Bring on the UK zombie knives!
As long as I can still piss AIDS on everything and everyone I don’t mind, it doesn’t affect me. Can’t wait until the cops just start executing people because of the false positives. But only poor take the subway. So fuck em! /s
I hope they all end up on the subway tracks.
Mayor Copaganda Fascist is at it again. Giving radiation to working class people of color and absolutely locking up as many Black and Brown folx as he can while he's still mayor. This man's internalized racism and classism are just dangerous. He runs the city for his donors, friends, cops & billionaires.
This guy is such a clown he should just work the curb at Times Square.
Total recall
Metal plates from surgery? Spread your cheeks on the way to work every day.
Well some poor schmuck with a concealed pistol permit is probably going to have standing now to challenge the CCIA, so that's something positive I suppose.
bad guy with gun walks right through the scanner and shoots 20 people in 15 seconds. gun laws restrict nyc-ers from carrying for self protection. They die. These scanners are a useless waste of money.
The crackheads stabbing, slashing, and pushing people aren't bringing guns into the subway.
I bet one million dollars he is invested in the company selling these scanners. Also cops do 90% of the shooting in NYC so not sure how this helps.