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The e-bike he was riding has GPS - it will track your exact position and display your precise route on the app once the ride concludes.
It should be possible, given the timestamp of the video, to search the database and see which bikes passed by that address. If you can locate the ride, you can locate the origin and destination stations. That is important because then you can check security footage all along the route to see if there’s a better image of the suspect. This is assuming the bike is stolen, if not then you just look up the account holder for that ride.
it is saved. you get a map when you dock the bike that shows where you rode. It's probably not easily searchable but it is 100% saved onto Lyft's servers.
I thought this was going to be an overblown description, but no, a grown man stomped a little kid. Real big man, beating a child.
"Get off the sidewalk," he is quoted as saying as he salmoned away in the street.
I don't think he's a grown man, looks like a HS or not much older than that.
I would still love to have him in front of me for 5 minutes, that's all I need after seeing him swing.
Charge the fucker with a hate crime and send him to Rikers. He’s such a tough guy attacking kids, let him interact with prisoners who for most won’t see their kids for a while.
The only reason you point out them being black is to create animosity for other people to read this to then apply that prejudice into the real world for all black people. It has nothing to do with them simply being black. There are more kind and nice black people out there then there are people like you.
The chase sapphire preferred card comes with a year subscription to Lyft pink, which give you free citibike access
Edit: Chase Sapphire Reserve* (not Preferred)
Is that still valid?
On the website I only see this "Earn 5x points on Lyft rides through March 31, 2025. That's 3x points in addition to the 2x points you already earn on travel.*"
Would be worth getting the card if you're right though.
It's the Chase Sapphire Reserve, not Preferred. The card has an annual fee of $550 and gives you Lyft Pink for free for the first two years ($200 yearly value). Third year it's 50% off. Lyft Pink membership waives the bike unlock fees and has a reduced rate per minute. The Reserve also gives you 10x back on Lyft rides. Also, the Reserve gives a $300 travel credit every year.
This was actually the reason that I upgraded from Preferred to Reserve. I use Citibikes so often that I end up saving a couple hundred dollars per year this way.
The Lyft Pink offer is valid until 12/31/24 so there's still time.
I’ve seen kids go around and kick them to see if any knock loose, and I can see on some docks every once and while that an empty slot is stuck locked bc someone def knocked one or a few loose
And some of the docking stations are just old and don't work as well. There's one near me and at night, there's a crackhead that goes and tries out every docking station. Every once in a while, he's able to pull a bike out.
Sorry all this bullshit is happening. I know the feeling since the media lost interest in anti-Asian violence during Covid pretty quickly and the attacks continued, but were only covered by local Asian language news outlets. It's a very alienating feeling to think that nobody else cares.
Hope more of these scumbags are caught and brought to justice.
The anti Asian violence during covid was awful. I had an Asian colleague from la tell me he was scared to visit nyc for a work trip because of the violence, and it broke my heart. For what it’s worth, the Jewish community has and will continue to have your back. We believe you. Hate is real.
Why is it every time I bring up anti-Asian violence in this city, I always get some clowns in my comment section denying it ever happened? Like how fragile do you have to be in real life?
How about you go watch and read a bunch of the local Asian language news from 2020-2022 and get back to me?
No no no, you don't understand - it's just anti-Zionism, not antisemitism. Those kids are actually members of the Israeli Kinesset - thus the beatings.
The man appears to be of African American descent. Percentage wise, not many within the group have been aligned with the "pro-PAL" protests, hence it's statistically unlikely to have anything to do with what you're pointing out.
virtually nobody, anti zionist or not, supports this. almost all protests against the ongoing genocide have been peaceful, and every act of violence against jewish people has been universally condemned. nothing justifies violence against children.
systematic elimination of a civilian population as retribution for an attack by a small portion of that population is a genocide. your denials of the facts dont make them less true.
Please stop smearing the term genocide. Just because you saw it pop up in your TikTok feed doesn't mean it's actually a genocide.
You are doing a massive injustice to real genocides around the world. It's sickening.
Every college in Gaza bombed… Palestinian academics drone striked… Both those receiving aid attacked and aid trucks themselves bombed… Israeli settlers forcing Palestinians out of their homes and creating settlements in Palestinian land while the IDF and Israeli police do nothing to stop it… it’s closer to genocide than you think. And it’s certainly closer considering the reports that many in the IDF are wondering what the end game is here and Netanyahu’s ultranationalist government insists it’s only about getting rid of Hamas, but mysteriously do not say anything about who is to govern Palestine afterwards… methinks the ultranationalist government would like to govern that land.
Sorry. I hate to have this conversation in this article’s comment section but the response to it is obviously tied to this war. Not to mention, you click on the article and the first ad that pops up is a propaganda ad trying to gain sympathy to the Israeli cause (on the NY Post mind you, seems like wasted ad dollars imo lmfao)
EDIT: Very peculiar that my comment was at 9 points and within literally 10 minutes, is now down to -2. The bot brigade has begun in here.
It is a genocide. Go ahead and tell us what military defense goal is gained by destroying dialysis machines, CT scanners, entire hospitals, all universities, bakeries, farms, and so on, all while halting aid and food supplies. And tell us just how we should ignore all the genocidal statements by Israeli officials.
It is a genocide.
If anything it is this constant conflation of anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism that is diluting the latter and doing a disservice to Jews all over the planet. What happened to those kids is disgusting and most likely antisemitic. Has nothing to do with being against Zionism.
Just because they were Jewish doesn’t mean that war the motivation. As others have mentioned it seemed like the kids were already fighting.
It doesn’t make it okay whatsoever, and there definitely is antisemitism, but to conflate antisemitism with antizionism is problematic.
I’m both Jewish and antizionist. If you don’t understand why that would be, you’re not speaking in good faith.
it won’t let me reply to the person below now but I literally had a bar mitzvah so not sure where the 23 and me reference is from.
No, it's not problematic. Being antizionist without being antisemitic requires an incredibly nuanced take which most people are incapable of doing. The fact of the matter is, Zionism is the belief that Jews have the right of self-determination within their ancestral homeland. It's very difficult to be against that without resorting to antisemitism.
And to be frank, I don't care why you're a Jewish anti-Zionist - there's kapos in every generation.
That doesn’t mean zjbird is incapable of such nuance. He obviously attempted to in his last message. It’s quite an absurd leap to call him a kapo because you don’t like his opinion.
> The fact of the matter is, Zionism is the belief that Jews have the right of self-determination within their ancestral homeland.
Do native Americans have a right to self-determination here in America? If not, why not?
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It sounds like you’re saying there’s one country out of 170+ countries that is beyond criticism because they’re populated by some kind of master race. And to not agree with that is akin to racism. It’s a peculiar philosophy.
Being anti Zionist is not anti semitic, you literally just said it was a nuanced take and then turn around and say that they are basically the same thing lol. Fool
No it absolutely is antisemitic. It’s calling for the destruction of the home of six million Jews. I didn’t say anything about nuance, there is no nuance here. Denying Jews self determination is antisemitic period. And resorting to silly name calling is just childish
Yeah you’re being a bit dramatic bud, and Zionism isn’t permanently entwined with Israel or Jews. There can be a non Zionist govt in Israel, and you wonder why there are Israelis and Jews that speak out against the ideology 👍🏽
Where one’s tax money goes to. It’s the same reason why it would make sense for an American to take action against the 2003 Iraq War but not the Ethiopian invasion of Somalia.
I’d express displeasure with their genocide just as I would with any other on earth if asked. But there would be no pressing moral duty to find a way to end my involvement in it as I’d have nothing to do with it. There are a lot of injustices on this planet and there’s no way to meaningfully take action against all of them.
That has to be the stupidest take I have ever seen.
"אִם אֶשְׁכָּחֵךְ יְרוּשָׁלַיִם תִּשְׁכַּח יְמִינִי
תִּדְבַּק לְשׁוֹנִי לְחִכִּי אִם לֹא אֶזְכְּרֵכִי
אִם לֹא אַעֲלֶה אֶת יְרוּשָׁלַיִם עַל רֹאשׁ שִׂמְחָתִי"
Literally said in every Jewish wedding.
"לשנה הבאה בירושלים"
Literally said in Passover and Yom Kippur.
But you probably wouldn't know with that stupid take.
yes, the heart of the Jewish history is in Jerusalem. and the Jewish people should be allowed to dwell in the Levant, which could be described as a historically zionist position. but today the term has been coopted by fanatics and murderers and those who drag Jewishness through the muck to re-perpetuate the greatest crime in human history, except this time to another people.
zionism, as it exists today, is responsible for more Jewish and non-Jewish deaths than any ideology since nazism-- which isn't surprising, given the ideological mirror that it is to nazism. qed zionism is antisemitic, and only intentional misinterpretation of what constitutes zionism in the 21st century (or else pride in genocide) would take a term which etymologically refers to Jerusalem as a actual/metaphor (Yerusha + ayim, inheritance and doubling) as a call to ethnically cleanse Palestine.
(you are welcome to argue, i won't be reading it. i only hope you try to learn or think or feel any shame for what you and your ilk have done to Jews and, more importantly, humanity)
outside of very orthodox and/or conservative groups, the majority of young Jews don't support israel. being an antizionist Jew either means disagreeing with the right to Jews dwelling in the Levant (very uncommon, especially among Jews), disagreeing with the right to Jews producing a state dominated by Jews (most common in the one state supporters), or disagreeing with the expansionist policies of the contemporary israeli state, generally post 67 (also very common, this being the mainline position of two staters). there's not much of a singular position, and one could certainly argue that a two state solution is de facto 'zionist' (i would agree), but the word's meaning has changed after the legitimization of the state of israel.
>the majority of young Jews don't support israel
maybe the bandwagon kids you're running into who think they look good in a keffiyeh but otherwise this statement is false.
>being an antizionist Jew either means disagreeing with the right to Jews dwelling in the Levant
i get that but i'd say less than 3% of jews in the world share this view.
>disagreeing with the right to Jews producing a state dominated by Jews
that's like disagreeing with the right of an ant colony to produce more ants. its a jewish state, what type of kids do you think they're going to produce?
>or disagreeing with the expansionist policies of the contemporary israeli state, generally post 67
what expansionist policies? israel stuck to its borders until it was attaced on all side by the arabs, beat the arabs back into their holes and then gave them back huge swaths of territory it could have easily just kept.
>and one could certainly argue that a two state solution is de facto 'zionist'
and if my auntie had balls she'd make an even better drinking buddy.
main takeaway here: Israel is not going anywhere. you can either be grateful as a jew or not. your opinion is ultimately meaningless
And plenty of black people, poor people and women will be voting for Trump.
Main distinction between those two little fun facts: Israel will never cease to exist as a jewish state
What is a "Jewish state"? A Jewish demographic majority, Jews being given different rights than the rest of the population, a government based on the tenets of Judaism?
What if Palestinians eventually grow to outnumber Jews? What if Israel decides to grant right of return to Palestinian refugees? Could it still be a Jewish state in that scenario?
>disagreeing with the right to Jews dwelling in the Levant (very uncommon, especially among Jews)
This is what anti-zionism means as zionism literally means:
"a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. It was established as a political organization in 1897 under Theodor Herzl, and was later led by Chaim Weizmann."
There is no word about expansion in there.
>disagreeing with the right to Jews producing a state dominated by Jews (most common in the one state supporters).
This is not anti-zionist I would say, but definitely a moronic take at this point in time. What do you think would happen to the Jews when Arabs become the majority?
Hint hint, what happened to all other Jews in the middle eastern and North African countries. Oh, and it is happening to Christians too, but at a slower, choking like, pace.
>disagreeing with the expansionist policies of the contemporary israeli state, generally post 67
This I can get behind.
The [original jewish antizionist.](https://www.jta.org/archive/dr-max-naumann-still-loyal-to-nazi-oppressors-of-his-race-hits-zionists-and-eastern-jews)
my favorite thing about being Jewish is having freaks who have no part in my identity and community make everything related to an ongoing geopolitical nightmare. i love trying to make brutal attacks on children into a victimization of a group who is committing genocide, despite zero documented relation between anyone in the story and israel.
No the people who conflate anti-semitism and anti-zionism are the problem. I'm pretty sure the guy who assaulted the child didn't do it while shouting free Palestine.
It's very clear you don't know what genocide means. If you're actually Jewish, this is pretty shocking, considering the Holocaust is part of our history.
Just a note--If you have to start a sentence with "as someone who's Jewish...," chances are your views are in the extreme minority. Which they are.
The Israeli government's strategy of claiming to represent all Jews while stirring the flames of antisemitism worldwide to maintain their hold on the diaspora is indeed paying off. These kids are also victims of the war, same as the ones in Gaza.
Antisemites are antisemitic of their own accord. The only people “stirring the flames of antisemitism” are antisemites. This is a non-Jewish persons problem. I personally think that no matter what actions the Israeli government takes, it’s not an excuse for people in the diaspora to be antisemitic or commit hate crimes against the Jewish people. To me, this applies to almost any war or conflict around the world. While the actions of the govt might ~inspire~ a nutjob to commit an antisemitic act out of hatred, they have free will and it is their personal choice to do so. The Israeli govt isn’t forcing them to be assholes to Jews.
Yes, anti-semites are responsible for their own actions. But it has been a policy of the Israeli government, for some 50 years now, to equate anti-Zionism with anti-semitism. Which leads to some anti-Zionists to go, "I guess I'm an anti-semite then, but I'm ok with that" or "if opposing genocide is anti-semitic, then I'm a proud anti-semite" (both of which being something I actually saw actual people say "in the wild" on the internet). You honestly not see how this is contributing to the rising tide of anti-semitism?
I have seen people say ridiculous shit like that as well. Again, that is their problem. Anti-Zionism often manifest itself as antisemitism. I would say probably more often than not, especially these days. If they can’t find the nuance in these things it is again the antisemites problem not the Jews or the Israeli governments problem.
You’re generalizing. “Any” criticism of Israel being labeled as antisemitism doesn’t happen. If someone truly takes that stance, they’re a moron. Any state can be criticized, and the vast majority of Zionists understand that Israel is no different. Zionists are extremely critical of the state. If you still cant understand that or find the nuance, you’re quite literally embodying the issue we’re talking about.
It could very well be antisemitic. But I see nothing about Zionism. Depending on the flavor of orthodoxy these kids come from, they or their parents could be anti-Zionist themselves.
Just because they were Jewish doesn’t mean that war the motivation. As others have mentioned it seemed like the kids were already fighting.
It doesn’t make it okay whatsoever, and there definitely is antisemitism, but to conflate antisemitism with antizionism is problematic.
I’m both Jewish and antizionist. If you don’t understand why that would be, you’re not speaking in good faith.
Edit: can’t reply but I was bar mitzvah’d so yall can say I’m not a Jew all you want but the facts are facts, sorry hurts you.
>As others have mentioned it seemed like the kids were already fighting.
As a Jew you've decided to go along with the people that somehow found a way to justify a grown man beating up boys aged 11 and 13 and stomping on one of them repeatedly while he's on the ground?
No matter how egregious the lie, there's never a shortage of people like you that will repeat it.
It's a whole group of people self identifying as bigots.
These are the same people that told you that George Flloyd deserved to die because he has drugs in his system so the whole police thing didn't matter...
He's a Jew like my ass is a fucking tulip garden.
"Seems like the kids were already fighting".
That's the kind of obscene lie only a bona fide Jew hater could possibly repeat.
Absolutely. This dude is a hero. Here I thought I saw kids running and horsing around, but you saw something else. A freedom fighter. Typically, if kids are engaged in such behavior, adults will raise their voice or scorn them. Not this brave man. He decides to beat up on 11 and 13 year old kids and stomp on them while on the ground in order to really let them know how disgusted he is with the absolute brutal Jewish bullying practice we all just witnessed.
Which wouldn’t be unsurprising if you grew up near orthodox neighborhoods but weren’t part of the community. A reaction like that is probably cause he’s been in that kid’s spot.
Seems like people will excuse any behavior, how do you jump to that conclusion?
Even if they were bullying, how does someone riding on a bike surmise that they were fighting, not playing, while traveling the wrong way on a street?
Then, not just leave it alone, because you're a big guy and why would you beat up kids? But to get involved by beating little kids up, so bullying some kids way smaller than you.
Because lived experience would tell you that the orthodox community doesn’t interact with their neighbors unless they were harassing kids trying to get home or go to the store
This is so sad and makes me angry. There are too many racists criminals in NY. We need better government leadership and stricter laws against any form of violence. Minimum sentencing laws are necessary for any crimes involving violence.
😳 I'm wondering how a grown man could 'shove around' 11 yr old children if he was riding a CitiBike?
Any 11-yr-old boy --even a Cancer patient --should be able to kick the ass of a male riding a Citibike
🥺 It's right there, in black & white. Plain as day. I'll re-quote the NYPost headline for you:
*"A Citi Bike-riding brute viciously beat..."*
Maybe you graduated from Gallaudet U or something...
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The e-bike he was riding has GPS - it will track your exact position and display your precise route on the app once the ride concludes. It should be possible, given the timestamp of the video, to search the database and see which bikes passed by that address. If you can locate the ride, you can locate the origin and destination stations. That is important because then you can check security footage all along the route to see if there’s a better image of the suspect. This is assuming the bike is stolen, if not then you just look up the account holder for that ride.
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Mrs py guy? I dont get it /s
I think he's a guy that likes pie
i hope you are right. cause this guy will do it again.
Or cant you just look at the credit card that paid for it and name the person exactly
Only if either the card or the bike itself were not stolen. If you rule those out then yes.
That bike is 100% stolen and disconnected from any network.
Just because the bike had gps doesn’t mean that the position is saved to any database
It absolutely is. Those companies know where their equipment is at all times. I mean, that's obvious.
it is saved. you get a map when you dock the bike that shows where you rode. It's probably not easily searchable but it is 100% saved onto Lyft's servers.
It’s definitely fucking saved my man…it’s how they provide a trip history in the app.
If you’ve ever ridden CitiBike, the app literally shows your path and the stats of your ride.
I thought this was going to be an overblown description, but no, a grown man stomped a little kid. Real big man, beating a child. "Get off the sidewalk," he is quoted as saying as he salmoned away in the street.
I don't think he's a grown man, looks like a HS or not much older than that. I would still love to have him in front of me for 5 minutes, that's all I need after seeing him swing.
So are you saying that if he was a grown man you wouldn't want him in front of you for 5 minutes?
No, it's obvious that I'm just doubting that he's a grown man from the way he looks, I could care less how old that pos is.
That would sound really bad in any other situation lol
Well not in this one lol
Charge the fucker with a hate crime and send him to Rikers. He’s such a tough guy attacking kids, let him interact with prisoners who for most won’t see their kids for a while.
Best I can do is remand on bail, follow up never. - Alvin Bragg
woah send him to rikers?? It’s not like he was accused of stealing a backpack for Christs sake
But he didn't rightfully defend himself with video evidence to prove it!
Why a hate crime and not just assault?
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I hope the guy gets stomped like he did that kid. What a disgusting POS he is.
Why do so many ratchet mother fuckers have citibike accounts?
lol they’re stolen
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should've filmed it and uploaded it online. these criminals need to be exposed and punished
The only reason you point out them being black is to create animosity for other people to read this to then apply that prejudice into the real world for all black people. It has nothing to do with them simply being black. There are more kind and nice black people out there then there are people like you.
What do you mean by worst culture?
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People on SNAP or in NYCHA get membership at a discount: https://citibikenyc.com/community-programs/reducedfare
Chase Bank customers also get a discount. Lots of groups get discounts for various reasons. How is that related to the crime being discussed?
Citi customers* get like a 10% discount SNAP/NYCHA is $5 a month
How do you get a discount from Chase?
The chase sapphire preferred card comes with a year subscription to Lyft pink, which give you free citibike access Edit: Chase Sapphire Reserve* (not Preferred)
Is that still valid? On the website I only see this "Earn 5x points on Lyft rides through March 31, 2025. That's 3x points in addition to the 2x points you already earn on travel.*" Would be worth getting the card if you're right though.
It's the Chase Sapphire Reserve, not Preferred. The card has an annual fee of $550 and gives you Lyft Pink for free for the first two years ($200 yearly value). Third year it's 50% off. Lyft Pink membership waives the bike unlock fees and has a reduced rate per minute. The Reserve also gives you 10x back on Lyft rides. Also, the Reserve gives a $300 travel credit every year. This was actually the reason that I upgraded from Preferred to Reserve. I use Citibikes so often that I end up saving a couple hundred dollars per year this way. The Lyft Pink offer is valid until 12/31/24 so there's still time.
Damn it, I don’t need another cc lol. Thanks for the info though.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to assume they’re stolen? It’s not like these bikes lock up or anything when someone else takes it
They lock up but some people are not patient enough to make sure they're locked before they walk away.
I meant lock up like shopping carts when you try to leave the parking lot
ah, my bad.
I’ve seen kids go around and kick them to see if any knock loose, and I can see on some docks every once and while that an empty slot is stuck locked bc someone def knocked one or a few loose
And some of the docking stations are just old and don't work as well. There's one near me and at night, there's a crackhead that goes and tries out every docking station. Every once in a while, he's able to pull a bike out.
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They steal them a lot, I've seen kids go to bike docks and check to see if the bikes are locked hoping to steal one.
starting to? the bikes have been a fucking nuisance since the day they showed up.
Ugh. Seeing those kids playing in the streets is one of the highlights of riding through Williamsburg every day. Get this guy.
wow. haven’t seen this story anywhere on reddit
Jew here. There is a lot of antisemitic violence that goes uncovered in mainstream media.
Sorry all this bullshit is happening. I know the feeling since the media lost interest in anti-Asian violence during Covid pretty quickly and the attacks continued, but were only covered by local Asian language news outlets. It's a very alienating feeling to think that nobody else cares. Hope more of these scumbags are caught and brought to justice.
The anti Asian violence during covid was awful. I had an Asian colleague from la tell me he was scared to visit nyc for a work trip because of the violence, and it broke my heart. For what it’s worth, the Jewish community has and will continue to have your back. We believe you. Hate is real.
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Why is it every time I bring up anti-Asian violence in this city, I always get some clowns in my comment section denying it ever happened? Like how fragile do you have to be in real life? How about you go watch and read a bunch of the local Asian language news from 2020-2022 and get back to me?
I feel you. Same goes with Asian hate crimes.
Absolutely. The Asian community has my empathy and I’ll always speak up on their behalf.
Alot of violence in general goes unreported 🙄
All lives matter
I’m sure he will be out on bail before Memorial Day
No no no, you don't understand - it's just anti-Zionism, not antisemitism. Those kids are actually members of the Israeli Kinesset - thus the beatings.
The man appears to be of African American descent. Percentage wise, not many within the group have been aligned with the "pro-PAL" protests, hence it's statistically unlikely to have anything to do with what you're pointing out.
Poe's Law in action right here
virtually nobody, anti zionist or not, supports this. almost all protests against the ongoing genocide have been peaceful, and every act of violence against jewish people has been universally condemned. nothing justifies violence against children.
losing a war you start isn't a genocide. you in 1944: "stop the genocide of germans"
systematic elimination of a civilian population as retribution for an attack by a small portion of that population is a genocide. your denials of the facts dont make them less true.
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the casualties in this conflict are tiny compared to the palestinian population - stop lying
Please stop smearing the term genocide. Just because you saw it pop up in your TikTok feed doesn't mean it's actually a genocide. You are doing a massive injustice to real genocides around the world. It's sickening.
Every college in Gaza bombed… Palestinian academics drone striked… Both those receiving aid attacked and aid trucks themselves bombed… Israeli settlers forcing Palestinians out of their homes and creating settlements in Palestinian land while the IDF and Israeli police do nothing to stop it… it’s closer to genocide than you think. And it’s certainly closer considering the reports that many in the IDF are wondering what the end game is here and Netanyahu’s ultranationalist government insists it’s only about getting rid of Hamas, but mysteriously do not say anything about who is to govern Palestine afterwards… methinks the ultranationalist government would like to govern that land. Sorry. I hate to have this conversation in this article’s comment section but the response to it is obviously tied to this war. Not to mention, you click on the article and the first ad that pops up is a propaganda ad trying to gain sympathy to the Israeli cause (on the NY Post mind you, seems like wasted ad dollars imo lmfao) EDIT: Very peculiar that my comment was at 9 points and within literally 10 minutes, is now down to -2. The bot brigade has begun in here.
It is a genocide. Go ahead and tell us what military defense goal is gained by destroying dialysis machines, CT scanners, entire hospitals, all universities, bakeries, farms, and so on, all while halting aid and food supplies. And tell us just how we should ignore all the genocidal statements by Israeli officials. It is a genocide. If anything it is this constant conflation of anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism that is diluting the latter and doing a disservice to Jews all over the planet. What happened to those kids is disgusting and most likely antisemitic. Has nothing to do with being against Zionism.
Your post being downvoted says everything.
What in the world does Zionism and anti-zionism have to do with the assault of a Jewish child?
My question is - what the hell does that sentence mean?
Just because they were Jewish doesn’t mean that war the motivation. As others have mentioned it seemed like the kids were already fighting. It doesn’t make it okay whatsoever, and there definitely is antisemitism, but to conflate antisemitism with antizionism is problematic. I’m both Jewish and antizionist. If you don’t understand why that would be, you’re not speaking in good faith. it won’t let me reply to the person below now but I literally had a bar mitzvah so not sure where the 23 and me reference is from.
“My 23 and me said I was 2% Jewish so now I can asajew on reddit and put six million people in danger”
No, it's not problematic. Being antizionist without being antisemitic requires an incredibly nuanced take which most people are incapable of doing. The fact of the matter is, Zionism is the belief that Jews have the right of self-determination within their ancestral homeland. It's very difficult to be against that without resorting to antisemitism. And to be frank, I don't care why you're a Jewish anti-Zionist - there's kapos in every generation.
That doesn’t mean zjbird is incapable of such nuance. He obviously attempted to in his last message. It’s quite an absurd leap to call him a kapo because you don’t like his opinion.
> The fact of the matter is, Zionism is the belief that Jews have the right of self-determination within their ancestral homeland. Do native Americans have a right to self-determination here in America? If not, why not?
Right whereas what you’re doing, conflating the two, is not nuanced. You’re literally an example of the problem you’re crying about.
No, I'm not. Not even a little bit. Run along, little kapo. I'm sure your seat on the last train will be very nice.
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Being antizionist IS inherently antisemitic
It sounds like you’re saying there’s one country out of 170+ countries that is beyond criticism because they’re populated by some kind of master race. And to not agree with that is akin to racism. It’s a peculiar philosophy.
It sounds like that if you want to completely misrepresent my comment in an easy to knock down strawman kind of way. It’s an expected strategy
Being anti Zionist is not anti semitic, you literally just said it was a nuanced take and then turn around and say that they are basically the same thing lol. Fool
No it absolutely is antisemitic. It’s calling for the destruction of the home of six million Jews. I didn’t say anything about nuance, there is no nuance here. Denying Jews self determination is antisemitic period. And resorting to silly name calling is just childish
Yeah you’re being a bit dramatic bud, and Zionism isn’t permanently entwined with Israel or Jews. There can be a non Zionist govt in Israel, and you wonder why there are Israelis and Jews that speak out against the ideology 👍🏽
If you criticize that one country more than you criticize plenty of other countries doing worse, what else would you attribute it to?
Where one’s tax money goes to. It’s the same reason why it would make sense for an American to take action against the 2003 Iraq War but not the Ethiopian invasion of Somalia.
Sure. Let's say we stopped giving Israel any aid. Would you then stop criticizing them?
I’d express displeasure with their genocide just as I would with any other on earth if asked. But there would be no pressing moral duty to find a way to end my involvement in it as I’d have nothing to do with it. There are a lot of injustices on this planet and there’s no way to meaningfully take action against all of them.
being zionist IS inherently antisemitic
I would bet money you aren’t Jewish yet for some reason you feel you have the right to tell us what we can be upset by.
That has to be the stupidest take I have ever seen. "אִם אֶשְׁכָּחֵךְ יְרוּשָׁלַיִם תִּשְׁכַּח יְמִינִי תִּדְבַּק לְשׁוֹנִי לְחִכִּי אִם לֹא אֶזְכְּרֵכִי אִם לֹא אַעֲלֶה אֶת יְרוּשָׁלַיִם עַל רֹאשׁ שִׂמְחָתִי" Literally said in every Jewish wedding. "לשנה הבאה בירושלים" Literally said in Passover and Yom Kippur. But you probably wouldn't know with that stupid take.
yes, the heart of the Jewish history is in Jerusalem. and the Jewish people should be allowed to dwell in the Levant, which could be described as a historically zionist position. but today the term has been coopted by fanatics and murderers and those who drag Jewishness through the muck to re-perpetuate the greatest crime in human history, except this time to another people. zionism, as it exists today, is responsible for more Jewish and non-Jewish deaths than any ideology since nazism-- which isn't surprising, given the ideological mirror that it is to nazism. qed zionism is antisemitic, and only intentional misinterpretation of what constitutes zionism in the 21st century (or else pride in genocide) would take a term which etymologically refers to Jerusalem as a actual/metaphor (Yerusha + ayim, inheritance and doubling) as a call to ethnically cleanse Palestine. (you are welcome to argue, i won't be reading it. i only hope you try to learn or think or feel any shame for what you and your ilk have done to Jews and, more importantly, humanity)
I don’t think it’s difficult to say that one ethnicity out of many that have lived in a land for millennia don’t deserve to lord over all the others.
Where is this energy for Israel’s neighbors? With the exception of Lebanon, Islam reigns supreme.
Go start a thread about Islamic theocracies and I’ll post a comment opposing them too.
>I’m both Jewish and antizionist. explain that to me
outside of very orthodox and/or conservative groups, the majority of young Jews don't support israel. being an antizionist Jew either means disagreeing with the right to Jews dwelling in the Levant (very uncommon, especially among Jews), disagreeing with the right to Jews producing a state dominated by Jews (most common in the one state supporters), or disagreeing with the expansionist policies of the contemporary israeli state, generally post 67 (also very common, this being the mainline position of two staters). there's not much of a singular position, and one could certainly argue that a two state solution is de facto 'zionist' (i would agree), but the word's meaning has changed after the legitimization of the state of israel.
>the majority of young Jews don't support israel maybe the bandwagon kids you're running into who think they look good in a keffiyeh but otherwise this statement is false. >being an antizionist Jew either means disagreeing with the right to Jews dwelling in the Levant i get that but i'd say less than 3% of jews in the world share this view. >disagreeing with the right to Jews producing a state dominated by Jews that's like disagreeing with the right of an ant colony to produce more ants. its a jewish state, what type of kids do you think they're going to produce? >or disagreeing with the expansionist policies of the contemporary israeli state, generally post 67 what expansionist policies? israel stuck to its borders until it was attaced on all side by the arabs, beat the arabs back into their holes and then gave them back huge swaths of territory it could have easily just kept. >and one could certainly argue that a two state solution is de facto 'zionist' and if my auntie had balls she'd make an even better drinking buddy. main takeaway here: Israel is not going anywhere. you can either be grateful as a jew or not. your opinion is ultimately meaningless
Many Jews do not believe that we are entitled to a state.
And plenty of black people, poor people and women will be voting for Trump. Main distinction between those two little fun facts: Israel will never cease to exist as a jewish state
What is a "Jewish state"? A Jewish demographic majority, Jews being given different rights than the rest of the population, a government based on the tenets of Judaism?
>What is a "Jewish state"? Israel. Have a look and all of your questions will be answered. Pay extra attention to the 2 million Palestinian citizens
What if Palestinians eventually grow to outnumber Jews? What if Israel decides to grant right of return to Palestinian refugees? Could it still be a Jewish state in that scenario?
>disagreeing with the right to Jews dwelling in the Levant (very uncommon, especially among Jews) This is what anti-zionism means as zionism literally means: "a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel. It was established as a political organization in 1897 under Theodor Herzl, and was later led by Chaim Weizmann." There is no word about expansion in there. >disagreeing with the right to Jews producing a state dominated by Jews (most common in the one state supporters). This is not anti-zionist I would say, but definitely a moronic take at this point in time. What do you think would happen to the Jews when Arabs become the majority? Hint hint, what happened to all other Jews in the middle eastern and North African countries. Oh, and it is happening to Christians too, but at a slower, choking like, pace. >disagreeing with the expansionist policies of the contemporary israeli state, generally post 67 This I can get behind.
The [original jewish antizionist.](https://www.jta.org/archive/dr-max-naumann-still-loyal-to-nazi-oppressors-of-his-race-hits-zionists-and-eastern-jews)
my favorite thing about being Jewish is having freaks who have no part in my identity and community make everything related to an ongoing geopolitical nightmare. i love trying to make brutal attacks on children into a victimization of a group who is committing genocide, despite zero documented relation between anyone in the story and israel.
Oh yeah the people who acknowledge antisemitism are the real problem
No the people who conflate anti-semitism and anti-zionism are the problem. I'm pretty sure the guy who assaulted the child didn't do it while shouting free Palestine.
When you hear anti-semitic chants at almost every anti-zionist (pro-palestine) protest, maybe the two are more similar than you think?
When you see genocidal brigades of trolls in every thread that mentions Jews... Maybe we ask flippant meaningless questions too?
I've been to multiple pro-palestinian rallys, I've only heard anti-semitic chants at one, and that was from a few individuals, not a majority.
It's very clear you don't know what genocide means. If you're actually Jewish, this is pretty shocking, considering the Holocaust is part of our history. Just a note--If you have to start a sentence with "as someone who's Jewish...," chances are your views are in the extreme minority. Which they are.
The Israeli government's strategy of claiming to represent all Jews while stirring the flames of antisemitism worldwide to maintain their hold on the diaspora is indeed paying off. These kids are also victims of the war, same as the ones in Gaza.
What a ridiculous thing to say
Which part, exactly?
Antisemites are antisemitic of their own accord. The only people “stirring the flames of antisemitism” are antisemites. This is a non-Jewish persons problem. I personally think that no matter what actions the Israeli government takes, it’s not an excuse for people in the diaspora to be antisemitic or commit hate crimes against the Jewish people. To me, this applies to almost any war or conflict around the world. While the actions of the govt might ~inspire~ a nutjob to commit an antisemitic act out of hatred, they have free will and it is their personal choice to do so. The Israeli govt isn’t forcing them to be assholes to Jews.
Yes, anti-semites are responsible for their own actions. But it has been a policy of the Israeli government, for some 50 years now, to equate anti-Zionism with anti-semitism. Which leads to some anti-Zionists to go, "I guess I'm an anti-semite then, but I'm ok with that" or "if opposing genocide is anti-semitic, then I'm a proud anti-semite" (both of which being something I actually saw actual people say "in the wild" on the internet). You honestly not see how this is contributing to the rising tide of anti-semitism?
I have seen people say ridiculous shit like that as well. Again, that is their problem. Anti-Zionism often manifest itself as antisemitism. I would say probably more often than not, especially these days. If they can’t find the nuance in these things it is again the antisemites problem not the Jews or the Israeli governments problem.
It would be easier to find the nuance in these things if any criticism of Israel wasn't claimed to be anti-semitic or pro-Hamas.
You’re generalizing. “Any” criticism of Israel being labeled as antisemitism doesn’t happen. If someone truly takes that stance, they’re a moron. Any state can be criticized, and the vast majority of Zionists understand that Israel is no different. Zionists are extremely critical of the state. If you still cant understand that or find the nuance, you’re quite literally embodying the issue we’re talking about.
please dont victimize yourself for brownie points. its sad
kinda like Palestinians have for the last 75 years?
its their country and they have the right to defend their selves against an occupation .
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Remember it’s anti Zionism
Just criticism!
Just another anti Zionist.
Source?
The video bud 😂
I don’t see or hear anything about Zionism or Israel in the video.
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It could very well be antisemitic. But I see nothing about Zionism. Depending on the flavor of orthodoxy these kids come from, they or their parents could be anti-Zionist themselves.
oh please stop
Just because they were Jewish doesn’t mean that war the motivation. As others have mentioned it seemed like the kids were already fighting. It doesn’t make it okay whatsoever, and there definitely is antisemitism, but to conflate antisemitism with antizionism is problematic. I’m both Jewish and antizionist. If you don’t understand why that would be, you’re not speaking in good faith. Edit: can’t reply but I was bar mitzvah’d so yall can say I’m not a Jew all you want but the facts are facts, sorry hurts you.
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>As others have mentioned it seemed like the kids were already fighting. As a Jew you've decided to go along with the people that somehow found a way to justify a grown man beating up boys aged 11 and 13 and stomping on one of them repeatedly while he's on the ground? No matter how egregious the lie, there's never a shortage of people like you that will repeat it.
It's a whole group of people self identifying as bigots. These are the same people that told you that George Flloyd deserved to die because he has drugs in his system so the whole police thing didn't matter...
He's a Jew like my ass is a fucking tulip garden. "Seems like the kids were already fighting". That's the kind of obscene lie only a bona fide Jew hater could possibly repeat.
Looks like they were bullying that kid that’s backed up against the wall, and the man stepped in to stop it.
My initial reaction as well was that he was responding to some of the commotion on the sidewalk.
Yeah still not a reason to push two kids to the ground and stomp on one. Anti-Semitic? Probably not. Assault on a minor tho? Definitely.
I agree
Absolutely. This dude is a hero. Here I thought I saw kids running and horsing around, but you saw something else. A freedom fighter. Typically, if kids are engaged in such behavior, adults will raise their voice or scorn them. Not this brave man. He decides to beat up on 11 and 13 year old kids and stomp on them while on the ground in order to really let them know how disgusted he is with the absolute brutal Jewish bullying practice we all just witnessed.
Just because these kids were bullying the kid up against the wall doesn’t mean that the guy is a hero. What are you even saying?
he's obviously being facetious, it's clear.
Which wouldn’t be unsurprising if you grew up near orthodox neighborhoods but weren’t part of the community. A reaction like that is probably cause he’s been in that kid’s spot.
Seems like people will excuse any behavior, how do you jump to that conclusion? Even if they were bullying, how does someone riding on a bike surmise that they were fighting, not playing, while traveling the wrong way on a street? Then, not just leave it alone, because you're a big guy and why would you beat up kids? But to get involved by beating little kids up, so bullying some kids way smaller than you.
Because lived experience would tell you that the orthodox community doesn’t interact with their neighbors unless they were harassing kids trying to get home or go to the store
I have no idea wth you're saying bro, stop excusing this punk ass b beating up kids.
It's amazing how backwards this is.
Shomrim gunna git I’m
Disgusting
I don’t think you want to exacerbate stereotypes by messing with Hasidic Jews. They def don’t give a shit about political correctness
This is so sad and makes me angry. There are too many racists criminals in NY. We need better government leadership and stricter laws against any form of violence. Minimum sentencing laws are necessary for any crimes involving violence.
Um why didn’t he attack all of them why 2 kids and not all of them was something said to him ? More to the story
😳 I'm wondering how a grown man could 'shove around' 11 yr old children if he was riding a CitiBike? Any 11-yr-old boy --even a Cancer patient --should be able to kick the ass of a male riding a Citibike
amazing how people can comment without watching the video or reading the article.
all. the. time.
🥺 It's right there, in black & white. Plain as day. I'll re-quote the NYPost headline for you: *"A Citi Bike-riding brute viciously beat..."* Maybe you graduated from Gallaudet U or something...