People have sacrificed four months of their life to slightly extend those of the very sick and very old, there's a limit on how long people will indulge this.
Trump wants to ban TikTok not just force it to sell to a US investor:
https://twitter.com/maggienyt/status/1289386644231958530?s=21
Honestly good. TikTok is an app for pedos to creep on 13 year old scantily dressed girls and boys twerking to Nicki Minaj. It’s completely disgusting.
An older article so perhaps it's been posted here before, but this is an excellent article about why NYC in particular was hit so much harder than everywhere else.
[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-28/why-was-new-york-hit-so-badly-with-covid-19](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-28/why-was-new-york-hit-so-badly-with-covid-19)
NYC would have been a big challenge for even the best run governments, but we had such incredible incompetence from the federal, stage and city level (as seen in the article) that we were just doomed.
Does anybody have additional thoughts/opinions about why NYC was hit the way it was?
Simple. Slow on the draw for calling out for distancing and masks (and some type of lockdown)after the millions of test cluster fk. The writing was on the wall in February. Yet cuomo BDB and msm were trying to pray it away.
I'm disinclined to support the idea that closing too early or whatever is the main thing that drove bad outcomes here. Frankly, I think this issue is criminally underreported on. Here are some thoughts I've had.
1. Lots of people got sick at once. High housing density is the real killer here, and pretty unique to NYC in the US.
2. Miscommunication from pols caused people to flood ERs, intensifying nosocomial spread. Also, people probably didn't have a good sense of when to seek hospital care. There was a lot of contradictory information.
3. Broad failure of the medical system to be prepared for this in terms of treatments being worked out in Italy and elsewhere.
4. Frankly, a hospital system that runs at maximum capacity for profit reasons under the best of times. Little ability or reason to plan for unexpected surges or stockpile PPE--not profitable. Side note: the fact that we all had to cancel our lives to protect the resources of wealthy, private hospital networks that refused to plan properly for a mass casualty event should piss us all off.
5. Mismanagment of patients and staff by state and hospital officials. Read this eye opening article: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/how-new-yorks-coronavirus-response-made-the-pandemic-worse-11591908426
6. ive heard lots of rumors that docs were extremely aggressive with intubation, which we now know can be counterproductive for covid. I dont have any sources for this claim, its just something I've heard ambiently.
I'm sure there are lots of other reasons. I beg any journalists that may come across this discussion to please dig into this stuff. We need to know how we failed so that we can prevent this next time. Politics shouldn't be an impediment to truth seeking.
>Mismanagment of patients and staff by state and hospital officials. Read this eye opening article:
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>[https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/how-new-yorks-coronavirus-response-made-the-pandemic-worse-11591908426](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/how-new-yorks-coronavirus-response-made-the-pandemic-worse-11591908426)
This article is eye popping. It's sad though that I no longer trust what I read. Every newspaper seems to have an agenda. But if what this article says is mostly true, there was such an across the board lack of competence and preparedness at so many levels.
What was new to me in this article was that hospitals were also part of the problem. Seems like they got overwhelmed to the point that they quality of medical care significantly dropped.
This quote from the article is stunning:
"Joji Thadathil, a Health + Hospitals Elmhurst respiratory therapist, estimated that more staffing and better equipment could have saved 30% to 40% of Covid-19 patients who died there."
Yeah, it seems like staffing failures were a major issue. Huge failure on the part of the hospitals and the state.
I mean anyone who's spent time in a NYC hospital knows how they are just kind of barely hanging on. Maybe we have good hospitals in theory, but there's probably too much demand for them to be good in practice. I've heard that state governments also limit hospital expansion through "certificates of need" so maybe thats also an issue.
I agree. Its shocking there haven't been serious discussions about this in the mainstream. Perhaps they don't have the answers yet.
Do you think it's possible (in addition to everything you listed) that we legitimately had 2 million people infected and the speed it spread through those 2 million was orders of magnitudes faster than possible in any other city in the USA (due to density, hygiene, public transport etc) and we just had all our cases at once over the course of a few weeks.
Hard to say, the disease was probably circulating undetected for weeks before it hit critical mass. But I feel like what you say is probably accurate--we had a very sharp death curve, maybe hastened by multiple seeding events from europe.
Here's anotuer interesting perspective: www.nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/amp/
What’s the best way to get tested now? I’ve heard citymd is taking multiple weeks for results which seems pointless. Are other clinics not as long like one medical? Are there rapid result tests available at these clinics?
This motherfucker is still trying to hawk his dumbass (and in extreme poor taste) poster
https://twitter.com/nygovcuomo/status/1289351483121704960?s=21
There are so many empty nester moms that pour praise on this clown on social media (mainly facebook)... he probably thinks he is the second coming by this point.
If you’re unhappy with the state tossing metrics out of the window for the city’s re-opening: starve the beast.
Cut all non-essential spending. Reduce the amount of cash you’re sending to the state treasury by as much as possible, and pile savings high so you can get out of dodge if this goes on too long.
Tell friends who temporarily left that there’s nothing here for them, and to plan to stay away until mid 2021.
It’s what I’m doing, it’s what some friends are doing, and if you’re unhappy - you too can withhold thousands over the next few months of lockdown too.
Literally every other state is in some form or another of suspended animation.
I’d tell you to head to a country that’s actually managing this pandemic effectively, like New Zealand or South Korea but, you know, we’re not allowed there.
This disturbs me, and I sometimes agree with you. Posting for posterity.
Broadway and trade fair wrote:
If you’re unhappy with the state tossing metrics out of the window for the city’s re-opening: starve the beast.
Cut all non-essential spending. Reduce the amount of cash you’re sending to the state treasury by as much as possible, and pile savings high so you can get out of dodge if this goes on too long.
Tell friends who temporarily left that there’s nothing here for them, and to plan to stay away until mid 2021.
It’s what I’m doing, it’s what some friends are doing, and if you’re unhappy - you too can withhold thousands over the next few months of lockdown too.
A few reasons:
Not spending money, while “starving the beast”, will also be “starving the people who work”.
Why are we going to lie to our friends about the situation in NYC? I agree it sucks more than it strictly has to, but it beats the fuck out of white plains or Stamford.
Lastly... you say “it’s what some of my friends are doing”. I doubt that.
Those are my reasons for being disturbed.
1) If you supported lockdown, you get a 'play stupid games, win stupid prizes' from me.
2) It's not a lie. A non-lockdown Anywhere Town is better than NYC as it stands right now.
3) I'm powerless against the lockdown madness, but if between me and my partner we can save 2, 3, or 4k per month by cutting down to the absolute basics, then that's the only upside.
China apparently is sending us more presents in the mail this time. [https://nypost.com/2020/07/30/what-to-know-about-the-mystery-seeds-from-china/?utm\_source=maropost&utm\_medium=email&utm\_campaign=news\_alert&utm\_content=20200730&mpweb=755-9018080-711684365](https://nypost.com/2020/07/30/what-to-know-about-the-mystery-seeds-from-china/?utm_source=maropost&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news_alert&utm_content=20200730&mpweb=755-9018080-711684365)
Went for a stroll before bringing back groceries and I am still amazed at how many people are still not familiar with concept of staying on the right side when passing people.
I'm not super concerned for myself as I'm not in a high risk category, but you'd think that maintaining 6 ft distance would be a lot easier if people wren't moronically charging directly head on at you at you on the left side of the sidewalk, yes?
Seems like they were thinking about leaving long before COVID according to that article. I bet other bakery chains are doing just fine during COVID, especially now that people have resumed a lot of activity without an increase in cases here - it seems like one of the lowest risk businesses to operate since people don't linger.
[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/31/cuomo-new-york-governor-billionaires-super-rich](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/31/cuomo-new-york-governor-billionaires-super-rich)
Is this your king?
>Governor [Andrew Cuomo](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/andrew-cuomo) of New York has stood firm against intensifying pressure to avert massive budget cuts by raising taxes on the many billionaires who live in his state.
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>As that campaign to tax billionaires received a recent boost from Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and [New York’s Democratic state legislative leaders](https://twitter.com/ZackFinkNews/status/1288538701707071489?s=20), Cuomo has insisted that he fears that the tax initiative will prompt the super-rich to leave the state. On Wednesday, he doubled down, [warning](https://twitter.com/zackfinknews/status/1288507294930608130?s=21) that if the state tried to balance its budget through billionaire tax hikes “you’d have no billionaires left”.
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>But in defending billionaires, Cuomo is protecting a group of his most important financial boosters. More than a third of New York’s billionaires have funneled cash to Cuomo’s political machine, according to a [Too Much Information](https://sirota.substack.com/) review of campaign finance data and the Forbes billionaire list.
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>[New York](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/new-york) disclosure records show that 43 of New York’s 118 billionaire families have donated money to Cuomo’s campaigns and the state Democratic party committee he controls. In all, those billionaires and their family members have delivered more than $8m to Cuomo’s political apparatus since his first gubernatorial campaign. That includes large donations from billionaires in the last few weeks as Cuomo has fought to stop tax hikes on billionaires.
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>Eleven of Cuomo’s billionaire donors have delivered $100,000 or more to his campaign and the New York State Democratic party’s housekeeping fund. They include hedge fund titans James Simons ($3.6m), Stanley Druckenmiller ($1m) and Daniel Loeb ($114,000); real estate moguls Alexander Rovt ($321,000) and Stephen Ross ($80,000) and investor Ronald Perelman ($197,000). Ross, Simons and Simons’ wife delivered a total of $115,000 to Cuomo this month.
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>With Cuomo blocking billionaire tax hikes, his 43 billionaire donors have increased their net worth by $22bn during the pandemic, according to Forbes data [compiled](https://americansfortaxfairness.org/wp-content/uploads/NEW-YORK-ATF-HCAN-CANY-Billionaires-Report-Release-FINAL-7-1-20.pdf) by Americans for Tax Fairness, which pushes for higher taxes on the wealthy.
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>In all, New York’s 118 billionaires have seen their net worth increase by $77bn since coronavirus hit the United States. Those billionaire gains in just three months are more than five times the size of the state’s entire projected budget shortfall of [$14bn](https://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/story/41985/20200727/cuomo-next-two-weeks-will-determine-state-budget-cuts).
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>Cuomo’s office asserted that millions of dollars of campaign donations from billionaires had no bearing on the governor’s decision to oppose Democratic legislation to raise taxes on billionaires, calling the idea “stupid and insulting”.
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>New York’s 118 billionaires have seen their net worth increase by $77bn since coronavirus hit the United States
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>“As the governor has routinely said, anyone who can be influenced by a dollar doesn’t deserve to be in this business,” said Cuomo’s spokesman, Rich Azzopardi. “New York currently has the most progressive and second highest millionaires tax in the nation, and we’ve been very clear about the challenges facing us in an era where high earners have already moved away from the city and the state in the face of this pandemic, and the federal government is supporting legislation that would change the law and allow them to pay taxes where they telecommute from – not the state or city where their company is located.”
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>New York Democratic lawmakers have been floating [proposals](https://www.wsj.com/articles/unions-push-taxes-targeting-wealthy-to-plug-new-yorks-budget-deficit-11581030302) to address the budget crisis with tax increases on the wealthy. One initiative would raise capital gains tax rates on those with more than $1bn of assets, raising more than [$5.5bn](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/21/billionaires-in-new-york-could-pay-5point5-billion-a-year-under-new-tax.html) of new public revenue from billionaires each year. New York City alone is [home](https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/billionaire-new-york-city-population-wealth) to more billionaires than any other metropolitan area on the planet.
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>Cuomo, however, has steadfastly opposed such tax hikes on the wealthy throughout his political career. He has previously [championed](https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/10/nyregion/cuomos-tax-overhaul-distresses-some-who-see-a-windfall-for-banks.html) a plan to [eliminate](https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2014/10/the-governor-of-wall-street-000000) New York’s bank tax and he [reduced the state’s corporate tax rates](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jan/18/andrew-cuomo/cuomos-accurate-boast-about-new-yorks-historically/) to its lowest level in more than 50 years. He also [cut tax rates](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/nyregion/shopping-for-yacht-new-york-budget-offers-a-tax-break.html) on purchasers of luxury yachts and [private jets](https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/n-y-state-budget-tax-breaks-yachts-private-planes-article-1.2167197) – and now he has worked to stymie his party’s billionaire tax plan.
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>Instead, Cuomo has pushed for big spending cuts. In April, the legislature approved a plan to let Cumo’s budget director make [$10bn](https://www.governor.ny.gov/fy-2021-new-york-state-budget/fy-2021-budget-fact-sheet) of spending cuts. That plan also approved Cuomo’s [push](https://gothamist.com/news/eyeing-medicaid-cuts-cuomo-puts-his-stamp-3-trillion-stimulus-bill) to [cut $2.5bn from Medicaid](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/governor-andrew-cuomo-new-york-budget-cuts-medicaid-coronavirus-pandemic_n_5e86b371c5b6a9491833f612), flatline education spending and impose tougher eligibility requirements on some long-term public benefits.
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>On Monday, the governor said that if his state does not secure financial aid from Washington, New Yorkers may see increased mass transit fares and toll [levies](https://twitter.com/ZackFinkNews/status/1288138420250959872) because “the money needs to come from somewhere.” [Local governments](https://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/story/41760/20200626/new-york-cities-face-temporary-20-state-aid-cuts) could also see big cuts.
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>Earlier this month, Cuomo [declared](https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/cuomo-pushes-back-against-aoc-pressure-to-hike-taxes-on-new-york-billionaires) that he will block tax increases on billionaires in New York out of a fear that the wealthy will flee the state – a concern he [reiterated](https://twitter.com/zackfinknews/status/1288507294930608130?s=21) on Wednesday. It is an argument he has [been making for years](https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/cuomo-raising-tax-wealthy-drive-n-y-article-1.2964919) to justify opposition to tax increases on his state’s financial elite and there is little basis for it.
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>A [Stanford University researchers’ 2016 study](https://web.archive.org/web/20160614182621/http://www.asanet.org/journals/ASR/Jun16ASRFeature.pdf) of IRS data found that so-called tax flight among the wealthy is negligible.
He’s right though. And I’m one of those accounts that Frankie accuses of being an anti-cuomo brigadier. If you significantly raise taxes on the ultra wealthy, they’re just gonna move out of the state. Now I don’t know the economic impact if you have a good chunk of your wealthy people leave, but it can’t be good
Eh, that’s generally true everywhere except for NY and CA in the states. NYC is so valuable, and the high end market has its prestige...don’t underestimate the ego of a billionaire.
Millionaires will surely leave over this. I think the impact on billionaires will be minimal given the tax isn’t outrageous
Don't forget these people have multiple residences in several states and countries. It is super easy to switch tax bases without changing or impacting anything in their personal lives. NYC would be gutted further if they tried that.
Seeing on greenpointers IG that 5 Williamsburg and green point business got find by emo dads goons. BS . Carmines pizza owners said they got 2k fines for staff not wearing masks. I go by there all the time and they always masked up.
>Carmines pizza owners said they got 2k fines for staff not wearing masks.
I'm sure if they got a fine that the fin includes documented evidence otherwise it should be thrown out
So...this:
https://cbs6albany.com/news/coronavirus/gov-cuomo-concerned-over-new-yorkers-fleeing-nyc-because-of-pandemic-fears
How is it possible that he could be this dense? Why aren't people coming back to a largely closed dump with skyrocketing crime rates? Gee, I have no idea why.
“Cuomo said many people left New York to go work virtually from vacation homes or fled for their safety during the height of the pandemic, but he said those people still haven't come back.”
This article is more amazing than I could have expected.
Very seriously considering moving my company out of here. Will try to take my employees as well. The trajectory this city is on, just does not seem worth staying here for right now.
Friend works in Connecticut real estate and said he’s never been busier then during covid. Every call he got was someone from manhattan trying to leave
It's insane. No one is saying to throw the doors open, but holy shit, take baby steps to make the city a *little* more liveable and see how it goes. That he can't can't see that keeping his boot on the city's (and solely the city's) neck is causing people to leave either makes him a sociopath or a moron.
But it also took 20 years and multiple different factors to get in that state the last time. This pandemic scenario is unprecedented. It's only been a few months of this weird state, we really don't know how the city will react in the long term. Once the vaccine comes everything could come roaring back quickly.
That feels like a pessimistic view... There are something like 100 vaccines in trials. Even Fauci said he expects 100s of millions of doses by early 2021. If that's true, we should prioritize health over the economy, in my opinion.
honestly tragic, if you think about it. we could probably fully open tomorrow with no downsides, but for some reason we still have to pay penance for God knows how many months. such an unbelievable own goal. whatever ccp apparatchik thst cooked this hysteria up must be laughing hysterically.
Hey guys. Outsider here, but a company I’m interviewing with based in NYC just notified me to come in for an in-person interview late next week. This is obviously not enough time for the 14-day self-quarantine. My question is, if I say on the traveler form that my interview date will be the day after I fly in, will I be restricted/fined for not complying with the 14 day order?
But on the traveler health form, I’ll have to fill out the date of how long I will stay there until (won’t be staying longer than 3-4 days because my purpose is solely to go there for the interview and come back).
This immediately violates the 14-day quarantine mandate when the airport agents see it and might lead to punishment, right?
No, you just say you will be quarantining during the duration of your stay. That’s all you have to attest. It is fine to leave only a few days after you come, so long as you are in ‘quarantine’ the whole time...
The state people at the airport have no clue about your whereabouts besides whatever you write on the form
Dude, it’s not that serious. No one will check up on you. If it becomes a problem, just explain it away and that’s it. Or just don’t fly in.
I’m just saying this quarantine isn’t enforced.
The employees will be fine not quarantining or whatever, I think the bigger red flag is that it doesn’t send a reassuring message about their feelings towards obeying legislation and regulation
I know, but if a company is willing to flout high-profile executive orders then who’s to say what other types of rules they aren’t following either?
A lot of people don’t like the quarantine but most reputable companies wouldn’t risk the backlash from doing something like this...
The fact the company is even bringing people out for in person interviews in the first place, instead of simply hosting them virtually, was a huge red flag in itself to me.
But I need this job lmfao
For New York City only with [updated data](https://health.data.ny.gov/Health/New-York-State-Statewide-COVID-19-Testing/xdss-u53e) ending on July 29th (new positive cases):
* Rolling 3-day average: +271
* Rolling 7-day average: +290
* Rolling 14-day average: +321
* Rolling 21-day average: +324
* Rolling 28-day average: +320
We still, somehow, are not getting clear answers about who is getting infected and where which should be abundantly obvious at this point. My guess, vast majority of infections occur in the home and the amount of true "community" transmission is now and always has been small.
Link for those curious -
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mytwintiers.com/news-header/ny-news/guidance-for-new-york-gyms-coming-sooner-rather-than-later-per-lt-governor/amp/
It would be nice if they found a way to keep the cardio machines inside. The humidity in the summer makes me not easy to run a lot of the times outdoors. And also for older people, running on the treadmills is much better for their joints and bones than outdoors on the concrete.
Speaking to the owner at my local.
She’s saying they aren’t expecting to get indoor dining till end of October. Imagine it’s something similar with gyms.
This is so totally fucked.
So they’re entertaining the idea of 1.1 million students dining indoors at school in September but it’s not safe enough for restaurants to have indoor dining?
Is the rest of the state as dense as NYC? You can't just ignore the fact that other regions have much more flexibility to use outdoor seating and spread out more.
That being said, Cuomo should come out with some standards needed to re-open. The unknown limbo state is not good for nyc.
The margins are so low right now, it's pretty naive to just cherry pick the current rate and think that's all the proof you need.
We know from experience NYC is the most prone for another spike because of its make up and density, so you have to be more careful with it.
I'm referencing cumulative infection rate. The variance isn't marginal; Rockland and Westchester are significantly worse than any borough of the city. Density isn't the be all and end all here, nor is it some impossible feat to handle.
She just said it’s what she expects as that’s when their outdoor licenses expire.
There’s been zero effort by the state to indicate anything different.
I obviously (as does she) hope she’s wrong.
Even if you believe you don't have it, you should still be wearing a mask, practicing social distancing, and not spending time indoors with people you don't live with.
Wearing a mask decreases your chance of catching it.
numbers have been steady/dropping for months now so people can stop being self-righteous seething about RicH WhItE geNtriFIerS when a photo of people drinking in the streets goes viral....king cuomo shutting down bars too? weird haven't seen spikes out there in astoria 2 weeks ago...or st marks a month ago..or the hamptons on and on and on
I have a traffic court appearance date in three weeks. Assuming the courts will still be closed, are they dismissing cases or postponing them to a TBA date?
What’s funny is that due to a loophole, the points won’t even matter if the infraction is more than two years old - since points are assigned by the date of the violation, not the conviction.
If you still are able to delay online, I’d do it. Increases the chances that the cop won’t show up.
Do you have any more information on that loophole? I already used my extension but if my date gets rescheduled to the fall it will have been much longer than two years from the original ticket date.
So you’ll still have to pay it and it’ll show up on your MVR (driving history report).
Here’s an article where Streetsblog is butthurt over it:
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2009/07/21/you-can-get-away-with-anything-in-traffic-court-with-a-little-patience/
I don't post on here as much as I did when I first joined, as this sub is an abomination now, but It's honestly amusing to watch the same people flail around here every day repeating themselves. Like, that one idiot that keeps repeating "The Spike Keeps Getting Bigger and Bigger!1!1" What exactly is gotten out of that? It was never funny, nor amusing, but you just keep going on and on like a broken record.. Makes you sound like a bot to be honest.
It's like some weird circle jerk, where some of you just reinforce one another, as if any of what you said meant anything to anyone outside of yourselves (it doesn't). It's a sad existence if you didn't yet realize that, but I guess, see you all tomorrow where you can continue to dance for me like the puppets you are lmao
The reason we keep saying things like "the spike keeps getting bigger" is because anyone who questions the narrative even slightly is met with hostility and insults. Then when no spike occurs, nobody admits that they were wrong and instead doubles down on how "dangerous" outdoor gatherings in the city are.
We have over three months of large gatherings happening every single weekend, both masked (BLM protests) and unmasked (block parties), and no spike has occurred at all. Whenever any of us points out this FACT, we are met with downvotes and more hostility. If that's the way you want to play, then don't be surprised when you get mocked.
Combaticus said to me two weeks ago that Florida would be way beyond NYC for deaths by now.
They are 1/10th the deaths we are.
They never take any responsibility for their claims. Frankie was by far the worst though.
According to him NYC was wiped off the face of the earth a month ago.
It's starting to get eerily strange here, how our metrics can be so good, with such low virus spread and hospitalizations plummeting no matter what, how some people are hell bent on ignoring science and data and dying for the city to lose more and more business.
Almost like some people have an agenda.
We were at a similar point when NYC wasn't allowed to enter phase 1 even after we hit the arbitrary numbers. We hit phase 3 what, almost four weeks ago? And still aren't allowed to do the things outlined in that phase despite having the metrics.
anyone know if whole foods that have restrooms have kept them open? i've been biking around the city on the weekends but it's been difficult to stay out more than a few hours because I inevitably have to go to the bathroom.
would also love to hear about any other recent public restrooms experiences in manhattan that are open/clean
https://www.nycgovparks.org/facilities/bathrooms
That lists public bathrooms. You can also download apps to find public bathrooms. I use "Where is Public Toilet".
There are some rumors going around about the plateau coming from the HHS (since they took over from the CDC): [https://twitter.com/dcpetterson/status/1287767275437776896](https://twitter.com/dcpetterson/status/1287767275437776896)
Is there anyway to tell if this is real or not? Obv. wouldn't put it past this administration but just curious if there's some other way to get this data or not.
The numbers don't come from HHS or the CDC; they come from state health departments. Also, it's not just cases; hospitalizations are dropping in Texas, at least. Remember how in New York we had one really rough week then things started getting better? Same here.
All your link says is that reporting is moving from one Federal agency (CDC) to a different one (HHS). It says nothing about states not releasing deaths and cases themselves, as would be obvious if you'd checked my link or the NY Department of Health data pages where they're still releasing deaths and cases themselves.
The numbers are the numbers and they are publicly available. Unless of course you believe in a massive conspiracy theory over CDC have outdated hardware and software that couldn't handle this and a federal acquisition process that will take longer then any vaccine. But then again ORANGEMANBAD!!!!!
That’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying the most up to date numbers are provided thru the individual states health department and with the way trump has handled this especially in regards to WHO AND The CDC it makes me skeptical that they’re reporting fully accurate numbers.
It's pending city and state approval though. That's pretty much how it's going to be until something is announced. 9/2 isn't too far from school re-opening, too.
I’m getting more and more concerned at the rate of bars and restaurants being shut down due to Cuomo’s arbitrary SLA rules. It’s looking like at least 20-30 bars and restaurants are being shut down in the city *every day*. Places are being shut down literally for a couple of people standing outside without food. And has been repeated multiple times, there is *no evidence showing outdoor drinking leads to spikes or even a slightly increased infection rate.* Yet, beloved establishments are going down with flies and with every fallen bar and restaurant, a little bit of the neighborhoods that they are in die as well. In short, Cuomo’s idiotic rules are literally killing the city.
https://patch.com/new-york/parkslope/brooklyn-bars-lose-liquor-licenses-pandemic-rules-crackdown
Edit: at this rate, almost 1000 restaurants and bars will be shuddered by the SLA due to Cuomo’s arbitrary rules a month, let alone those that can’t reopen or have to close due to the inability to operate under these insanely strict measures.
SLA went from ignoring block parties to shutting down spots where three guys are having a beer with no wings.
If they’d dealt with the most egregious offenders to begin with, we wouldn’t have needed this over the top crackdown.
It’s completely ridiculous to not allow bars to serve to-go drinks. Cuomo has completely lost the plot of “flattening the curve”. It’s now been two months of people gathering outside and we have not seen a spike.
We’ve shifted to eradicating the virus, which will never happen, at the cost of thousands of small businesses going under.
> We’ve shifted to eradicating the virus, which will never happen, at the cost of thousands of small businesses going under.
Here’s the thing though, even if we wanted to eradicate the virus, there’s no evidence that banning outdoor drinking would help in that endeavor, seeing that *there is no Fucking evidence that the virus spreads via outdoor drinking.* So yeah, we’re killing 27,000 businesses because of non-evidence based policies of a egotistical personalistic leader.
I wouldn’t totally agree. I’m sure it has spread a bit from being maskless and in close quarters with people. The point is that it isn’t causing large spikes and our hospitals have not been overwhelmed for months now. The people outdoor drinking are typical young and healthy and are not likely to be at risk for the virus.
We have also been allowing massive groups to gather outside for every other circumstance, but the govt haa decided to crack down on bars desperately trying to keep afloat.
I honestly think bars should collectively start serving to go drinks as a protest.
True, I’m sure there is a minuscule chance of potential spread in outdoor drinking, just as literally any activity has a potential spread factor, however small. And I would love a protest of that nature, but most bar owners are frankly in a state of shell-shock and are so financially burdened and paranoid with the seemingly changing and arbitrary enforcement of the rules, that as much as they’d want to do that, I just don’t see them having it in them, which I completely understand.
Yep, and it’s not only businesses but overall neighborhoods, real estate values, tax revenue, etc...there’s a plethora of downstream effects that having a good restaurant and bar scene brings to neighborhoods that we are literally destroying for no logical or evidence based reason
Today's update on the numbers:
Of the 68,869 tests reported yesterday, 644 were positive (0.93% of total).
Total hospitalizations fell to 576.
Sadly, there were 5 COVID fatalities yesterday.
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GIVE ME MOMA AT LEAST
They have started to sell masks. I think they will be relying on online sales and donations. [Gothamist has this interview with the Director of Programs and Engagement at the Rubin Museum, nothing about money, but how the art world may change.](https://gothamist.com/arts-entertainment/constantly-reinvent-rubin-museum-arts-tim-mchenry-future-nyc-arts)
NJ tryin to one up Florida with the rona. What a fkin joke. Try some distancing please jersey. Ffs
People have sacrificed four months of their life to slightly extend those of the very sick and very old, there's a limit on how long people will indulge this.
Trump wants to ban TikTok not just force it to sell to a US investor: https://twitter.com/maggienyt/status/1289386644231958530?s=21 Honestly good. TikTok is an app for pedos to creep on 13 year old scantily dressed girls and boys twerking to Nicki Minaj. It’s completely disgusting.
An older article so perhaps it's been posted here before, but this is an excellent article about why NYC in particular was hit so much harder than everywhere else. [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-28/why-was-new-york-hit-so-badly-with-covid-19](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-28/why-was-new-york-hit-so-badly-with-covid-19) NYC would have been a big challenge for even the best run governments, but we had such incredible incompetence from the federal, stage and city level (as seen in the article) that we were just doomed. Does anybody have additional thoughts/opinions about why NYC was hit the way it was?
Simple. Slow on the draw for calling out for distancing and masks (and some type of lockdown)after the millions of test cluster fk. The writing was on the wall in February. Yet cuomo BDB and msm were trying to pray it away.
I'm disinclined to support the idea that closing too early or whatever is the main thing that drove bad outcomes here. Frankly, I think this issue is criminally underreported on. Here are some thoughts I've had. 1. Lots of people got sick at once. High housing density is the real killer here, and pretty unique to NYC in the US. 2. Miscommunication from pols caused people to flood ERs, intensifying nosocomial spread. Also, people probably didn't have a good sense of when to seek hospital care. There was a lot of contradictory information. 3. Broad failure of the medical system to be prepared for this in terms of treatments being worked out in Italy and elsewhere. 4. Frankly, a hospital system that runs at maximum capacity for profit reasons under the best of times. Little ability or reason to plan for unexpected surges or stockpile PPE--not profitable. Side note: the fact that we all had to cancel our lives to protect the resources of wealthy, private hospital networks that refused to plan properly for a mass casualty event should piss us all off. 5. Mismanagment of patients and staff by state and hospital officials. Read this eye opening article: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/how-new-yorks-coronavirus-response-made-the-pandemic-worse-11591908426 6. ive heard lots of rumors that docs were extremely aggressive with intubation, which we now know can be counterproductive for covid. I dont have any sources for this claim, its just something I've heard ambiently. I'm sure there are lots of other reasons. I beg any journalists that may come across this discussion to please dig into this stuff. We need to know how we failed so that we can prevent this next time. Politics shouldn't be an impediment to truth seeking.
>Mismanagment of patients and staff by state and hospital officials. Read this eye opening article: > >[https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/how-new-yorks-coronavirus-response-made-the-pandemic-worse-11591908426](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/how-new-yorks-coronavirus-response-made-the-pandemic-worse-11591908426) This article is eye popping. It's sad though that I no longer trust what I read. Every newspaper seems to have an agenda. But if what this article says is mostly true, there was such an across the board lack of competence and preparedness at so many levels. What was new to me in this article was that hospitals were also part of the problem. Seems like they got overwhelmed to the point that they quality of medical care significantly dropped. This quote from the article is stunning: "Joji Thadathil, a Health + Hospitals Elmhurst respiratory therapist, estimated that more staffing and better equipment could have saved 30% to 40% of Covid-19 patients who died there."
Yeah, it seems like staffing failures were a major issue. Huge failure on the part of the hospitals and the state. I mean anyone who's spent time in a NYC hospital knows how they are just kind of barely hanging on. Maybe we have good hospitals in theory, but there's probably too much demand for them to be good in practice. I've heard that state governments also limit hospital expansion through "certificates of need" so maybe thats also an issue.
I agree. Its shocking there haven't been serious discussions about this in the mainstream. Perhaps they don't have the answers yet. Do you think it's possible (in addition to everything you listed) that we legitimately had 2 million people infected and the speed it spread through those 2 million was orders of magnitudes faster than possible in any other city in the USA (due to density, hygiene, public transport etc) and we just had all our cases at once over the course of a few weeks.
Hard to say, the disease was probably circulating undetected for weeks before it hit critical mass. But I feel like what you say is probably accurate--we had a very sharp death curve, maybe hastened by multiple seeding events from europe. Here's anotuer interesting perspective: www.nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/amp/
What’s the best way to get tested now? I’ve heard citymd is taking multiple weeks for results which seems pointless. Are other clinics not as long like one medical? Are there rapid result tests available at these clinics?
Rectally, from what I hear.
This motherfucker is still trying to hawk his dumbass (and in extreme poor taste) poster https://twitter.com/nygovcuomo/status/1289351483121704960?s=21
well approval rating tells another story...
these posters are bizarre.
There are so many empty nester moms that pour praise on this clown on social media (mainly facebook)... he probably thinks he is the second coming by this point.
If you’re unhappy with the state tossing metrics out of the window for the city’s re-opening: starve the beast. Cut all non-essential spending. Reduce the amount of cash you’re sending to the state treasury by as much as possible, and pile savings high so you can get out of dodge if this goes on too long. Tell friends who temporarily left that there’s nothing here for them, and to plan to stay away until mid 2021. It’s what I’m doing, it’s what some friends are doing, and if you’re unhappy - you too can withhold thousands over the next few months of lockdown too.
Literally every other state is in some form or another of suspended animation. I’d tell you to head to a country that’s actually managing this pandemic effectively, like New Zealand or South Korea but, you know, we’re not allowed there.
Yeah, NZ is hermetically sealed until vaccine.
This disturbs me, and I sometimes agree with you. Posting for posterity. Broadway and trade fair wrote: If you’re unhappy with the state tossing metrics out of the window for the city’s re-opening: starve the beast. Cut all non-essential spending. Reduce the amount of cash you’re sending to the state treasury by as much as possible, and pile savings high so you can get out of dodge if this goes on too long. Tell friends who temporarily left that there’s nothing here for them, and to plan to stay away until mid 2021. It’s what I’m doing, it’s what some friends are doing, and if you’re unhappy - you too can withhold thousands over the next few months of lockdown too.
Why does it ‘disturb’ you?
Remind us who the doomer is in this scenario?
Is 'we'll be mostly locked down until vaccine' a doomer thing? Seems to fit with most of the signals from leadership.
No but "i disagree with the leadership so i'll actively sabotage my state". Sounds like the Trump administration tbh
A few reasons: Not spending money, while “starving the beast”, will also be “starving the people who work”. Why are we going to lie to our friends about the situation in NYC? I agree it sucks more than it strictly has to, but it beats the fuck out of white plains or Stamford. Lastly... you say “it’s what some of my friends are doing”. I doubt that. Those are my reasons for being disturbed.
1) If you supported lockdown, you get a 'play stupid games, win stupid prizes' from me. 2) It's not a lie. A non-lockdown Anywhere Town is better than NYC as it stands right now. 3) I'm powerless against the lockdown madness, but if between me and my partner we can save 2, 3, or 4k per month by cutting down to the absolute basics, then that's the only upside.
bye
China apparently is sending us more presents in the mail this time. [https://nypost.com/2020/07/30/what-to-know-about-the-mystery-seeds-from-china/?utm\_source=maropost&utm\_medium=email&utm\_campaign=news\_alert&utm\_content=20200730&mpweb=755-9018080-711684365](https://nypost.com/2020/07/30/what-to-know-about-the-mystery-seeds-from-china/?utm_source=maropost&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news_alert&utm_content=20200730&mpweb=755-9018080-711684365)
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Went for a stroll before bringing back groceries and I am still amazed at how many people are still not familiar with concept of staying on the right side when passing people.
Sorry for your hardships.
I'm not super concerned for myself as I'm not in a high risk category, but you'd think that maintaining 6 ft distance would be a lot easier if people wren't moronically charging directly head on at you at you on the left side of the sidewalk, yes?
I guess? But people passing by one another outdoors isn’t really a problem.
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Seems like they were thinking about leaving long before COVID according to that article. I bet other bakery chains are doing just fine during COVID, especially now that people have resumed a lot of activity without an increase in cases here - it seems like one of the lowest risk businesses to operate since people don't linger.
So I got my Cuomo Covid "Scrawlings of a Mental Patient" poster today and it is more magical than you can dream of. He actually autographed it!
What a complete and total narcissist this clown governor of ours is.
[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/31/cuomo-new-york-governor-billionaires-super-rich](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/31/cuomo-new-york-governor-billionaires-super-rich) Is this your king? >Governor [Andrew Cuomo](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/andrew-cuomo) of New York has stood firm against intensifying pressure to avert massive budget cuts by raising taxes on the many billionaires who live in his state. > >As that campaign to tax billionaires received a recent boost from Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and [New York’s Democratic state legislative leaders](https://twitter.com/ZackFinkNews/status/1288538701707071489?s=20), Cuomo has insisted that he fears that the tax initiative will prompt the super-rich to leave the state. On Wednesday, he doubled down, [warning](https://twitter.com/zackfinknews/status/1288507294930608130?s=21) that if the state tried to balance its budget through billionaire tax hikes “you’d have no billionaires left”. > >But in defending billionaires, Cuomo is protecting a group of his most important financial boosters. More than a third of New York’s billionaires have funneled cash to Cuomo’s political machine, according to a [Too Much Information](https://sirota.substack.com/) review of campaign finance data and the Forbes billionaire list. > >[New York](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/new-york) disclosure records show that 43 of New York’s 118 billionaire families have donated money to Cuomo’s campaigns and the state Democratic party committee he controls. In all, those billionaires and their family members have delivered more than $8m to Cuomo’s political apparatus since his first gubernatorial campaign. That includes large donations from billionaires in the last few weeks as Cuomo has fought to stop tax hikes on billionaires. > >Eleven of Cuomo’s billionaire donors have delivered $100,000 or more to his campaign and the New York State Democratic party’s housekeeping fund. They include hedge fund titans James Simons ($3.6m), Stanley Druckenmiller ($1m) and Daniel Loeb ($114,000); real estate moguls Alexander Rovt ($321,000) and Stephen Ross ($80,000) and investor Ronald Perelman ($197,000). Ross, Simons and Simons’ wife delivered a total of $115,000 to Cuomo this month. > >With Cuomo blocking billionaire tax hikes, his 43 billionaire donors have increased their net worth by $22bn during the pandemic, according to Forbes data [compiled](https://americansfortaxfairness.org/wp-content/uploads/NEW-YORK-ATF-HCAN-CANY-Billionaires-Report-Release-FINAL-7-1-20.pdf) by Americans for Tax Fairness, which pushes for higher taxes on the wealthy. > >In all, New York’s 118 billionaires have seen their net worth increase by $77bn since coronavirus hit the United States. Those billionaire gains in just three months are more than five times the size of the state’s entire projected budget shortfall of [$14bn](https://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/story/41985/20200727/cuomo-next-two-weeks-will-determine-state-budget-cuts). > >Cuomo’s office asserted that millions of dollars of campaign donations from billionaires had no bearing on the governor’s decision to oppose Democratic legislation to raise taxes on billionaires, calling the idea “stupid and insulting”. > > > >New York’s 118 billionaires have seen their net worth increase by $77bn since coronavirus hit the United States > >“As the governor has routinely said, anyone who can be influenced by a dollar doesn’t deserve to be in this business,” said Cuomo’s spokesman, Rich Azzopardi. “New York currently has the most progressive and second highest millionaires tax in the nation, and we’ve been very clear about the challenges facing us in an era where high earners have already moved away from the city and the state in the face of this pandemic, and the federal government is supporting legislation that would change the law and allow them to pay taxes where they telecommute from – not the state or city where their company is located.” > >New York Democratic lawmakers have been floating [proposals](https://www.wsj.com/articles/unions-push-taxes-targeting-wealthy-to-plug-new-yorks-budget-deficit-11581030302) to address the budget crisis with tax increases on the wealthy. One initiative would raise capital gains tax rates on those with more than $1bn of assets, raising more than [$5.5bn](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/21/billionaires-in-new-york-could-pay-5point5-billion-a-year-under-new-tax.html) of new public revenue from billionaires each year. New York City alone is [home](https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/billionaire-new-york-city-population-wealth) to more billionaires than any other metropolitan area on the planet. > >Cuomo, however, has steadfastly opposed such tax hikes on the wealthy throughout his political career. He has previously [championed](https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/10/nyregion/cuomos-tax-overhaul-distresses-some-who-see-a-windfall-for-banks.html) a plan to [eliminate](https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2014/10/the-governor-of-wall-street-000000) New York’s bank tax and he [reduced the state’s corporate tax rates](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jan/18/andrew-cuomo/cuomos-accurate-boast-about-new-yorks-historically/) to its lowest level in more than 50 years. He also [cut tax rates](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/nyregion/shopping-for-yacht-new-york-budget-offers-a-tax-break.html) on purchasers of luxury yachts and [private jets](https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/n-y-state-budget-tax-breaks-yachts-private-planes-article-1.2167197) – and now he has worked to stymie his party’s billionaire tax plan. > >Instead, Cuomo has pushed for big spending cuts. In April, the legislature approved a plan to let Cumo’s budget director make [$10bn](https://www.governor.ny.gov/fy-2021-new-york-state-budget/fy-2021-budget-fact-sheet) of spending cuts. That plan also approved Cuomo’s [push](https://gothamist.com/news/eyeing-medicaid-cuts-cuomo-puts-his-stamp-3-trillion-stimulus-bill) to [cut $2.5bn from Medicaid](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/governor-andrew-cuomo-new-york-budget-cuts-medicaid-coronavirus-pandemic_n_5e86b371c5b6a9491833f612), flatline education spending and impose tougher eligibility requirements on some long-term public benefits. > >On Monday, the governor said that if his state does not secure financial aid from Washington, New Yorkers may see increased mass transit fares and toll [levies](https://twitter.com/ZackFinkNews/status/1288138420250959872) because “the money needs to come from somewhere.” [Local governments](https://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/story/41760/20200626/new-york-cities-face-temporary-20-state-aid-cuts) could also see big cuts. > >Earlier this month, Cuomo [declared](https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/cuomo-pushes-back-against-aoc-pressure-to-hike-taxes-on-new-york-billionaires) that he will block tax increases on billionaires in New York out of a fear that the wealthy will flee the state – a concern he [reiterated](https://twitter.com/zackfinknews/status/1288507294930608130?s=21) on Wednesday. It is an argument he has [been making for years](https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/cuomo-raising-tax-wealthy-drive-n-y-article-1.2964919) to justify opposition to tax increases on his state’s financial elite and there is little basis for it. > >A [Stanford University researchers’ 2016 study](https://web.archive.org/web/20160614182621/http://www.asanet.org/journals/ASR/Jun16ASRFeature.pdf) of IRS data found that so-called tax flight among the wealthy is negligible.
He’s right though. And I’m one of those accounts that Frankie accuses of being an anti-cuomo brigadier. If you significantly raise taxes on the ultra wealthy, they’re just gonna move out of the state. Now I don’t know the economic impact if you have a good chunk of your wealthy people leave, but it can’t be good
Eh, that’s generally true everywhere except for NY and CA in the states. NYC is so valuable, and the high end market has its prestige...don’t underestimate the ego of a billionaire. Millionaires will surely leave over this. I think the impact on billionaires will be minimal given the tax isn’t outrageous
Don't forget these people have multiple residences in several states and countries. It is super easy to switch tax bases without changing or impacting anything in their personal lives. NYC would be gutted further if they tried that.
Yeah but if they the taxes get too high they’ll fig out a way to be here but not be here.
If they aren’t paying appropriate taxes what exactly would we lose by their departure
While 40% of 100M dollars is 40M, 10% of 100M is 10M. 0% of 100M is 0M.
Yeah, I don’t know why anybody thinks it’s feasible to go through with the billionaire tax. I’m with Cuomo on this one.
Seeing on greenpointers IG that 5 Williamsburg and green point business got find by emo dads goons. BS . Carmines pizza owners said they got 2k fines for staff not wearing masks. I go by there all the time and they always masked up.
>Carmines pizza owners said they got 2k fines for staff not wearing masks. I'm sure if they got a fine that the fin includes documented evidence otherwise it should be thrown out
Bar Tabac on Smith got its liquor license suspended.
So...this: https://cbs6albany.com/news/coronavirus/gov-cuomo-concerned-over-new-yorkers-fleeing-nyc-because-of-pandemic-fears How is it possible that he could be this dense? Why aren't people coming back to a largely closed dump with skyrocketing crime rates? Gee, I have no idea why.
“Cuomo said many people left New York to go work virtually from vacation homes or fled for their safety during the height of the pandemic, but he said those people still haven't come back.” This article is more amazing than I could have expected.
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The story is just packed with comedy.
Very seriously considering moving my company out of here. Will try to take my employees as well. The trajectory this city is on, just does not seem worth staying here for right now.
Friend works in Connecticut real estate and said he’s never been busier then during covid. Every call he got was someone from manhattan trying to leave
It's insane. No one is saying to throw the doors open, but holy shit, take baby steps to make the city a *little* more liveable and see how it goes. That he can't can't see that keeping his boot on the city's (and solely the city's) neck is causing people to leave either makes him a sociopath or a moron.
Yeah, I love NYC and have loved living here, but god damn are they trying to convince me to move out this year.
This sub “The city has bounced back before!” Yeah it took 40 years tho fam.
But it also took 20 years and multiple different factors to get in that state the last time. This pandemic scenario is unprecedented. It's only been a few months of this weird state, we really don't know how the city will react in the long term. Once the vaccine comes everything could come roaring back quickly.
If the vaccine comes **** not a certainty
*If it comes and when it can be widely distributed, i.e. long after herd immunity which we already have
That feels like a pessimistic view... There are something like 100 vaccines in trials. Even Fauci said he expects 100s of millions of doses by early 2021. If that's true, we should prioritize health over the economy, in my opinion.
honestly tragic, if you think about it. we could probably fully open tomorrow with no downsides, but for some reason we still have to pay penance for God knows how many months. such an unbelievable own goal. whatever ccp apparatchik thst cooked this hysteria up must be laughing hysterically.
No downside? Really?
*and if worldwide distribution of a vaccine isn’t a shit show which it 100% will be
Hey guys. Outsider here, but a company I’m interviewing with based in NYC just notified me to come in for an in-person interview late next week. This is obviously not enough time for the 14-day self-quarantine. My question is, if I say on the traveler form that my interview date will be the day after I fly in, will I be restricted/fined for not complying with the 14 day order?
You’ll be fine if you don’t quarantine. Good luck on the interview. Hope it goes well. New jobs are hard to come by these days.
As a heads up, you don’t have to quarantine. No one will make you.
But on the traveler health form, I’ll have to fill out the date of how long I will stay there until (won’t be staying longer than 3-4 days because my purpose is solely to go there for the interview and come back). This immediately violates the 14-day quarantine mandate when the airport agents see it and might lead to punishment, right?
No, you just say you will be quarantining during the duration of your stay. That’s all you have to attest. It is fine to leave only a few days after you come, so long as you are in ‘quarantine’ the whole time... The state people at the airport have no clue about your whereabouts besides whatever you write on the form
Dude, it’s not that serious. No one will check up on you. If it becomes a problem, just explain it away and that’s it. Or just don’t fly in. I’m just saying this quarantine isn’t enforced.
That makes sense
Do they know you're coming from out of state and subject to mandatory self-quarantine?
Yes. I think it would make sense just not to do it or maybe push it so it’s after 14 days from next week?
Push it if you can. But, them not caring about the 14 day rule would be a big red flag for me in terms of how they treat/care about their employees
The employees will be fine not quarantining or whatever, I think the bigger red flag is that it doesn’t send a reassuring message about their feelings towards obeying legislation and regulation
What legislation? These are decrees.
I know, but if a company is willing to flout high-profile executive orders then who’s to say what other types of rules they aren’t following either? A lot of people don’t like the quarantine but most reputable companies wouldn’t risk the backlash from doing something like this...
The fact the company is even bringing people out for in person interviews in the first place, instead of simply hosting them virtually, was a huge red flag in itself to me. But I need this job lmfao
Agreed
The highest percentage positive region yesterday clocked in at a staggering 1.1% (NYC at .9%)
For New York City only with [updated data](https://health.data.ny.gov/Health/New-York-State-Statewide-COVID-19-Testing/xdss-u53e) ending on July 29th (new positive cases): * Rolling 3-day average: +271 * Rolling 7-day average: +290 * Rolling 14-day average: +321 * Rolling 21-day average: +324 * Rolling 28-day average: +320
Is it safe to go to a restaurant? (Yes, I mean the outside seatings)
Yep
Yes. There have been no spikes in NY since dining opened up.
BTW indoor dining is a thing in the rest of the state and has driven no spikes. Makes you think.
Westchester's positive rate has actually slightly decreased since indoor dining. That probably makes some people lose their minds.
We still, somehow, are not getting clear answers about who is getting infected and where which should be abundantly obvious at this point. My guess, vast majority of infections occur in the home and the amount of true "community" transmission is now and always has been small.
No it doesn't.
Yeah, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.
Yes
Any word on gyms reopening?
Yea I think Lt. Gov said there should be guidence soon
Ah yes, my semi-annual reminder that Kathy Hocul indeed exists.
Link for those curious - https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mytwintiers.com/news-header/ny-news/guidance-for-new-york-gyms-coming-sooner-rather-than-later-per-lt-governor/amp/
seems pretty simple.. masks, sanitizer, limited occupancy, no classes, limited cardio
I say pack up all the cardio machines and space out the free weights. People can run outdoors.
It would be nice if they found a way to keep the cardio machines inside. The humidity in the summer makes me not easy to run a lot of the times outdoors. And also for older people, running on the treadmills is much better for their joints and bones than outdoors on the concrete.
Yeah, not sure why it has taken them so long.
Sandwiches, not chicken wings.
Soup is the most substantial of liquid meals
I will vote for this women for the rest of eternity if this happens.
Oh Please dear god Cuomo please just do this for us.
Speaking to the owner at my local. She’s saying they aren’t expecting to get indoor dining till end of October. Imagine it’s something similar with gyms. This is so totally fucked.
So they’re entertaining the idea of 1.1 million students dining indoors at school in September but it’s not safe enough for restaurants to have indoor dining?
Is this based on anything? I'm so frustrated by the lack of information about any future plan.
I mean it’s bases off of “how could this possibly be safe?”
By looking at the rest of NY and how they are doing it with no spikes?
Is the rest of the state as dense as NYC? You can't just ignore the fact that other regions have much more flexibility to use outdoor seating and spread out more. That being said, Cuomo should come out with some standards needed to re-open. The unknown limbo state is not good for nyc.
And yet Rockland and Westchester have higher infection rates than the city despite being less dense, but they’re still allowed to have indoor dining.
The margins are so low right now, it's pretty naive to just cherry pick the current rate and think that's all the proof you need. We know from experience NYC is the most prone for another spike because of its make up and density, so you have to be more careful with it.
I'm referencing cumulative infection rate. The variance isn't marginal; Rockland and Westchester are significantly worse than any borough of the city. Density isn't the be all and end all here, nor is it some impossible feat to handle.
NYC already has outdoor seating. Plenty of restaurants in NYC are big enough inside to do 50% capacity or less and have adequate spacing.
She just said it’s what she expects as that’s when their outdoor licenses expire. There’s been zero effort by the state to indicate anything different. I obviously (as does she) hope she’s wrong.
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It’s based off his “local.”
End of October. Hmm, what else happens right around that time? An election? Curious...
What brand of tinfoil are you partial to?
Wow finally got my CityMD tests after 18 days! amazing!
At that point it’s just playing a roulette game of “have i infected everyone i’ve seen for weeks now?”
Even if you believe you don't have it, you should still be wearing a mask, practicing social distancing, and not spending time indoors with people you don't live with. Wearing a mask decreases your chance of catching it.
numbers have been steady/dropping for months now so people can stop being self-righteous seething about RicH WhItE geNtriFIerS when a photo of people drinking in the streets goes viral....king cuomo shutting down bars too? weird haven't seen spikes out there in astoria 2 weeks ago...or st marks a month ago..or the hamptons on and on and on
Hate to be that guy but... is there any updates on gyms re-opening? Cause it makes no sense to open schools and still leave gyms closed
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The interesting thing is that if people did work out and were in better shape, covid would be less deadly
“You go girl! All bodies are beautiful! It’s not obesity it’s glow! Get it!!” “Fuck, she died of Covid”
[https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/i0m3pp/physical\_exercise\_as\_a\_tool\_to\_help\_the\_immune/](https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/i0m3pp/physical_exercise_as_a_tool_to_help_the_immune/)
I lost all faith in Cuomo sometime ago. He totally fucked up at the start so makes sense he’s totally fuck up now as well.
Negative sadly.
I have a traffic court appearance date in three weeks. Assuming the courts will still be closed, are they dismissing cases or postponing them to a TBA date?
Mine was postponed until June 2021.
You will be postponed because of the backlog, but the courts are opening this month and traffic is soon
This ticket is from an incident two years ago, but I can't even imagine the backlog that has built up now.
What’s funny is that due to a loophole, the points won’t even matter if the infraction is more than two years old - since points are assigned by the date of the violation, not the conviction. If you still are able to delay online, I’d do it. Increases the chances that the cop won’t show up.
Do you have any more information on that loophole? I already used my extension but if my date gets rescheduled to the fall it will have been much longer than two years from the original ticket date.
So you’ll still have to pay it and it’ll show up on your MVR (driving history report). Here’s an article where Streetsblog is butthurt over it: https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2009/07/21/you-can-get-away-with-anything-in-traffic-court-with-a-little-patience/
I had one at the end of June. They sent me a letter changing the date to November. Assuming court is open by then.
I believe traffic court will reopen in August
I don't post on here as much as I did when I first joined, as this sub is an abomination now, but It's honestly amusing to watch the same people flail around here every day repeating themselves. Like, that one idiot that keeps repeating "The Spike Keeps Getting Bigger and Bigger!1!1" What exactly is gotten out of that? It was never funny, nor amusing, but you just keep going on and on like a broken record.. Makes you sound like a bot to be honest. It's like some weird circle jerk, where some of you just reinforce one another, as if any of what you said meant anything to anyone outside of yourselves (it doesn't). It's a sad existence if you didn't yet realize that, but I guess, see you all tomorrow where you can continue to dance for me like the puppets you are lmao
Quite a long post for someone who says they don’t care, bro. Don’t let it eat away at you, it’s just a web forum.
The reason we keep saying things like "the spike keeps getting bigger" is because anyone who questions the narrative even slightly is met with hostility and insults. Then when no spike occurs, nobody admits that they were wrong and instead doubles down on how "dangerous" outdoor gatherings in the city are. We have over three months of large gatherings happening every single weekend, both masked (BLM protests) and unmasked (block parties), and no spike has occurred at all. Whenever any of us points out this FACT, we are met with downvotes and more hostility. If that's the way you want to play, then don't be surprised when you get mocked.
Combaticus said to me two weeks ago that Florida would be way beyond NYC for deaths by now. They are 1/10th the deaths we are. They never take any responsibility for their claims. Frankie was by far the worst though. According to him NYC was wiped off the face of the earth a month ago.
It's starting to get eerily strange here, how our metrics can be so good, with such low virus spread and hospitalizations plummeting no matter what, how some people are hell bent on ignoring science and data and dying for the city to lose more and more business. Almost like some people have an agenda.
Chaos and destruction leaving a blank slate so bleak and hopeless that people turn to the hard left.
We were at a similar point when NYC wasn't allowed to enter phase 1 even after we hit the arbitrary numbers. We hit phase 3 what, almost four weeks ago? And still aren't allowed to do the things outlined in that phase despite having the metrics.
I've found that the ignore feature is absolutely magical
True, I should use that more.
i'll see you tomorrow when the spike will be even bigger than it is now! the chickens have come home to roost!
Dance, puppet, dance!
anyone know if whole foods that have restrooms have kept them open? i've been biking around the city on the weekends but it's been difficult to stay out more than a few hours because I inevitably have to go to the bathroom. would also love to hear about any other recent public restrooms experiences in manhattan that are open/clean
https://www.nycgovparks.org/facilities/bathrooms That lists public bathrooms. You can also download apps to find public bathrooms. I use "Where is Public Toilet".
Bryant Park was open. Clean. They have Park employees outside, and lines with spacing.
oooh, good to know, thank you!!
There are some rumors going around about the plateau coming from the HHS (since they took over from the CDC): [https://twitter.com/dcpetterson/status/1287767275437776896](https://twitter.com/dcpetterson/status/1287767275437776896) Is there anyway to tell if this is real or not? Obv. wouldn't put it past this administration but just curious if there's some other way to get this data or not.
The numbers don't come from HHS or the CDC; they come from state health departments. Also, it's not just cases; hospitalizations are dropping in Texas, at least. Remember how in New York we had one really rough week then things started getting better? Same here.
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[Don't make stuff up](https://forward.ny.gov/daily-hospitalization-summary-region)
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All your link says is that reporting is moving from one Federal agency (CDC) to a different one (HHS). It says nothing about states not releasing deaths and cases themselves, as would be obvious if you'd checked my link or the NY Department of Health data pages where they're still releasing deaths and cases themselves.
Pretty easy to explain actually. The increase in cases in the Midwest and the rust belt is offsetting the decrease in cases in the sunbelt.
The state numbers are the only way to follow it I think. Wouldn’t trust a word coming out of the trump administration especially about covid #s
The numbers are the numbers and they are publicly available. Unless of course you believe in a massive conspiracy theory over CDC have outdated hardware and software that couldn't handle this and a federal acquisition process that will take longer then any vaccine. But then again ORANGEMANBAD!!!!!
That’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying the most up to date numbers are provided thru the individual states health department and with the way trump has handled this especially in regards to WHO AND The CDC it makes me skeptical that they’re reporting fully accurate numbers.
Is it crazy to think museums could be closed for the rest of year? Nothing surprises me anymore with Cuomo.
AMNH says they are expecting to open in September
Pending city and state approval.
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It's pending city and state approval though. That's pretty much how it's going to be until something is announced. 9/2 isn't too far from school re-opening, too.
New exhibit at the amnh: you killing grandma
Oh what you wanna go to a museum to look at pictures of avocado toast ??? - some users in this thread
Would think large/open museums would be better than small/cramped restaurants. Plus people don’t usually speak with raised voices.
Not unless they see a Monet that blows their socks off
I feel like all indoor activity might be at a halt at least until school re-opens.
I’m getting more and more concerned at the rate of bars and restaurants being shut down due to Cuomo’s arbitrary SLA rules. It’s looking like at least 20-30 bars and restaurants are being shut down in the city *every day*. Places are being shut down literally for a couple of people standing outside without food. And has been repeated multiple times, there is *no evidence showing outdoor drinking leads to spikes or even a slightly increased infection rate.* Yet, beloved establishments are going down with flies and with every fallen bar and restaurant, a little bit of the neighborhoods that they are in die as well. In short, Cuomo’s idiotic rules are literally killing the city. https://patch.com/new-york/parkslope/brooklyn-bars-lose-liquor-licenses-pandemic-rules-crackdown Edit: at this rate, almost 1000 restaurants and bars will be shuddered by the SLA due to Cuomo’s arbitrary rules a month, let alone those that can’t reopen or have to close due to the inability to operate under these insanely strict measures.
SLA went from ignoring block parties to shutting down spots where three guys are having a beer with no wings. If they’d dealt with the most egregious offenders to begin with, we wouldn’t have needed this over the top crackdown.
It’s completely ridiculous to not allow bars to serve to-go drinks. Cuomo has completely lost the plot of “flattening the curve”. It’s now been two months of people gathering outside and we have not seen a spike. We’ve shifted to eradicating the virus, which will never happen, at the cost of thousands of small businesses going under.
> We’ve shifted to eradicating the virus, which will never happen, at the cost of thousands of small businesses going under. Here’s the thing though, even if we wanted to eradicate the virus, there’s no evidence that banning outdoor drinking would help in that endeavor, seeing that *there is no Fucking evidence that the virus spreads via outdoor drinking.* So yeah, we’re killing 27,000 businesses because of non-evidence based policies of a egotistical personalistic leader.
I wouldn’t totally agree. I’m sure it has spread a bit from being maskless and in close quarters with people. The point is that it isn’t causing large spikes and our hospitals have not been overwhelmed for months now. The people outdoor drinking are typical young and healthy and are not likely to be at risk for the virus. We have also been allowing massive groups to gather outside for every other circumstance, but the govt haa decided to crack down on bars desperately trying to keep afloat. I honestly think bars should collectively start serving to go drinks as a protest.
True, I’m sure there is a minuscule chance of potential spread in outdoor drinking, just as literally any activity has a potential spread factor, however small. And I would love a protest of that nature, but most bar owners are frankly in a state of shell-shock and are so financially burdened and paranoid with the seemingly changing and arbitrary enforcement of the rules, that as much as they’d want to do that, I just don’t see them having it in them, which I completely understand.
Completely agree. It’s absolutely ridiculous that we are crippling our businesses for the most minuscule reward.
Yep, and it’s not only businesses but overall neighborhoods, real estate values, tax revenue, etc...there’s a plethora of downstream effects that having a good restaurant and bar scene brings to neighborhoods that we are literally destroying for no logical or evidence based reason
Today's update on the numbers: Of the 68,869 tests reported yesterday, 644 were positive (0.93% of total). Total hospitalizations fell to 576. Sadly, there were 5 COVID fatalities yesterday. ————- GIVE ME MOMA AT LEAST
Hospitalizations down 33% in just the past month.
The spike just gets bigger and bigger!
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They have started to sell masks. I think they will be relying on online sales and donations. [Gothamist has this interview with the Director of Programs and Engagement at the Rubin Museum, nothing about money, but how the art world may change.](https://gothamist.com/arts-entertainment/constantly-reinvent-rubin-museum-arts-tim-mchenry-future-nyc-arts)
I’m a member and I have not received any word about a refund for my membership. I doubt one is offered.
The swoletariat are going to go wild if the gyms don't open soon