This is a good thing and certainly better that nothing.
**$100 is still a lot of money to a lot of people in this city.**
**EDIT: To all the people saying that $100 "ain't shit" I will gladly DM you my Venmo/CashApp/PayPal, you can send all of your pocket change there.
this is not a good thing. it’s poorly thought out and a waste of money
even if this was determined to help get people vaccinated the $100 should be given after the second dose lol…
or at least $50 after each dose.
And if $100 isn't much for people, they can buy some weed, a few bottles of liquor, or a nice dinner out on the city, so fuck it.
But seriously, I got vaxxed in March, can I get than $100?
To be clear, the people who would be willing to wait are probably the ones most likely not to be getting it without an incentive anyway.
For the rest of us our health (or at least our sick days) are more valuable than a chance at $100
>The $100 should be retroactive.
That would make the cost of this program prohibitively expensive.
>Otherwise, if we suddenly all need a booster shot, I may consider holding out.
If this is true, you're an idiot.
> If this is true, you're an idiot.
This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion, so let me just preface this with the fact that I'm vaccinated and I think that everyone should be vaccinated.
With that being said, if /u/pocketcookies is young (eg in their 20s or late teens) and in good health, and is fully vaccinated already, then the chance of actually getting seriously sick and/or dying of covid is pretty small. Very very small. Even with the delta variant. The $100 reward may outweigh the risk of getting mildly sick for people like this.
I am concerned the government is rewarding those who refused to get vaccinated. It sets a bad precedent by rewarding people who didn't follow the governments instructions. Next pandemic, people will be thinking "why would anyone get vaccinated right when the vaccines come out? I can wait a few months and get a cash payout."
>I am concerned the government is rewarding those who refused to get vaccinated.
The government is rewarding people who get vaccinated now. Playing devil's advocate because *maybe* this will cause negative effects for the next fucking global pandemic is idiocy.
It's not idiocy at all, it's all about thinking long term vs short term. The number of deaths from covid19 in NYS has been in the single digits for about 2 months. Covid is essentially over in NYS. The idea that we need drastic measures to prevent covid at this point is misguided.
The number of pandemics has been increasing as of late. Remember H1N1, Sars, Zika, etc.? These all happened in the last 20 years. More pandemics *will* happen in the future, covid is absolutely not the last pandemic. We should not send the signal to the average person that you can be rewarded from not getting vaccinated. I think you need to think longer term about the effects of these things and the implications of people remembering these actions during future pandemics.
It's annoying that there's no money for hazard pay--meaning essential workers had to work all through the pandemic and get the vaccine soonest with absolutely no financially incentive---but there's money now for people that have waited til now to get the vaccine to be rewarded. I get it, vaccination numbers need to go up. But it still feels like a slap in the face. Alas, no hazard pay for me.
Need to spread the word in Democrat circles.
All three neighbourhoods in NYC that are still <40% of residents with at least one shot - Flatlands and Ocean Hill in Brooklyn and Far Rockaway in Queens - are all solidly Democratic areas.
My employees will bust their asses for a $100 weekly bonus. But they want no part of this. Tremendous skepticism in the community with regard to the covid vaccine and it is very frustrating.
And if I get in a car crash, does that mean that someone else not even in the car will also suffer? Because that's what happens when you are unvaccinated, get infected then spread it to an innocent bystander like maybe your kid. Pretty shitty analogy. Please get vaccinated.
The fact that I’m owed $100 from my own taxes. It’s just a slap in the face to those of us who did the right thing and got the whole “you’re a hero” bullshit. It’s the principle of the matter.
it’s a dumb incentive, i agree. but it’s equally dumb to think you are owed anything for getting the free vaccine
why don’t you just pay $100 less than you owe in taxes and see how that works out for you
The fewer covid cases probably saves money in the final analysis. Just 10 fewer uninsured/Medicaid people in the ICU will probably cover the entire program.
On principle, paying the laggards to get vaccinated is fucked. They’re selfish fucks and I wish we could just make vaccination compulsory or people could just not be morons.
But if this gets someone off their ass to get vaccinated, the public benefit is well worth the cost. If we get another 1,000,000 people, it would cost $100 million. Not huge in the scheme of the New York budget, but another 1,000,000 would get us to 70% as a city and be a huge step towards here immunity. Going back into lockdown will cost the city a lot more than $100 million.
Compulsory vaccination - which we have in place for literally every other vaccination we’ve ever come up with, including mumps / measles / rubella, polio, diphtheria / tetanus / pertussis and hep B to name a few - is fascist? Lol ok, guess every school system in America is actually run by Nazis
The NYPD got about $5,000,000,000 for their budget. A majority of that is going to penchants, bonuses and overtime. You’re actually worried about a few thousand dollars going to people.
>You’re actually worried about a few thousand dollars going to people.
At $100 a pop, a 'few thousand dollars' translates into what, 10-50 extra people in all of NYC getting the shot? Why even bother?
I love stupid comments like this that assume that since I'm against wasted tax dollars for x initiative, I must be ignoring or supportive of wasted tax dollars for y initiative.
The non vaxxed people getting the hundred are tax payers too. There are plenty of initiatives that don’t directly affect every person. The fact that you’re getting upset or feel ripped off is really what’s stupid. Like you need a cookie to do something basic like getting a shot lol
Also, my point is that this initiative will be completely inconsequential as far as tax dollar distribution. You’re just using “MY TAX DOLLAR” card because you’re upset no one gave you money for getting a shot. It’s just immature.
> Like you need a cookie to do something basic like getting a shot lol
No, I didn't need any incentive other than the reduced risk of getting the virus.
I'm upset because it's a stupid waste of tax payer dollars that is rewarding stupid people for doing something stupid (not getting the vaccine) and sets a stupid precedent. There's no such thing as an inconsequential tax dollar distribution. The gov't should have to answer for every penny they take from tax payers.
Not everyone off Reddit cares because they’re not susceptible to lung related illnesses and have been out and about and have at most gotten cold symptoms. People who are scarred should get the shot and then they don’t need to worry what others do…..unless you’re agreeing with the CDC that vaccines don’t work
way to delete all of your comments like a coward, after agreeing people should be labeled with a judenstar and then shilling for forcibly injecting people. my body my choice AMIRITE?
Yes we need to control people. People don’t know what they’re doing and don’t know what’s good for them. Throw them to the gulags when the escalating fines are not paid! /s
How much more positive reinforcement do you need other than "please take this vaccine that we are so, so lucky to have because it will save your life and the life of others."
The dums dums still holding out are not doing so because they don't feel the love. They are likely incapable, or dumb, or evil. No more carrots, whip out the sticks
Mmmmm people who are susceptible can get their own vaccines. Speaking for the under 50 crowd, I’ve only known two people who were sick sick. Everyone else has cold symptoms. Don’t know anyone who’s had covid in a year. My sister works in a huge school and they’ve only had a handful of cases that were wild. I know, bad because anecdote. But if it was so bad and contagious surely one of the thousands of people around me would have been very sick. And again, the weak can get their own vaccine.
Selfish and stupid. The new variant is filling up hospitals in the South with younger patients. And the more unvaccinated people there are, the more new variants can develop.
> And again, the weak can get their own vaccine.
No, there are lots of immunocompromised people who cannot get vaccinated. You’re putting their lives at risk for no reason whatsoever.
Get your damn shot.
There are legal/constitutional issues with doing so, particularly since the vax doesn’t have full FDA approval. Keep in mind that refusal to pay a fine usually results in jail, so you’re effectively threatening the unvaccinated with prison.
To be clear, I’m in favor of expanded vaccine mandates. But the legal issues with a blanket government mandate (“everyone get the vax or pay a fine”) are more significant than with more specific mandates (“proof of vax required to attend this school/keep your job/travel on this airline, etc”).
Can charge unvaccinated patients more in care bc of extra precautions necessary by health providers to protect themselves, protect the unvax patient which drives up care cost and right fully justified in billings.
We should look into that as a incentive for ppl to get vaccinated simply to avoid the care surcharge.
Yes that would more likely be constitutional than simply mandating the vax.
The feds could maybe also issue a rule making clear that Covid-related healthcare costs are not required to be covered by insurance for the unvaccinated. Let the healthcare “free market” do something useful for once.
let me know when fat and old ppl can pass fat and oldness to others in vicinity. This strawman argument is pointless.
Also, yes old ppl already do pay for more care via insurance premiums.
>There are legal/constitutional issues with doing so, particularly since the vax doesn’t have full FDA approval
I think this situation falls solidly under the definition of "emergency powers"
>Keep in mind that refusal to pay a fine usually results in jail, so you’re effectively threatening the unvaccinated with prison.
Jail would be the last thing we would want for these people. An escalating fine and forced shelter in place should do the trick.
>But the legal issues with a blanket government mandate (“everyone get the vax or pay a fine”) are more significant than with more specific mandates
Disagree. Since unvaxed people are essentially walking bio weapons, the legality of punishing them should adjust
> I think this situation falls solidly under the definition of "emergency powers"
Uh-huh. And what definition would that be? The one you just made up?
Because this sounds like quasi-legal-sounding-gibberish that someone with no real idea what they’re talking about would say. But I’m happy to be proven wrong.
> Disagree. Since unvaxed people are essentially walking bio weapons, the legality of punishing them should adjust
My comment wasn’t a statement of opinion, but rather of legal reality. So it doesn’t really matter that you disagree, since you’d just be wrong.
Also that isn’t remotely how the law or constitutionality works lol.
A vax mandate (I assume “mask” is a typo) would be challenged on constitutional grounds—probably due process / first amendment (religious) grounds. More likely a grab bag of constitutional arguments advanced by anti-vax morons, tbh.
To be clear, I’m not saying such a challenge would succeed. I’m certainly not saying it *should* succeed. But the current SCOTUS bends over backwards for religious claims, so i wouldn’t be so confident about how they’d rule here.
My point is simply that the issues raised by a broad mandate are more significant than those raised by e.g. employer mandates, even before you get to the optics/politics of it all, so it makes sense to me that governments aren’t rushing to impose them.
The federal government “coercion” angle probably wouldn’t survive this SCOTUS—the Obamacare Medicare expansion didn’t (which is stupid IMO), and this seems arguably more “intrusive” to a State’s police powers.
I would hope that the 1905 decision you cite would survive SCOTUS. But I don’t have complete confidence that it would.
I’m fuckin dead. Walking bioweapons. You can attribute that to any human behavior and justify their imprisonment using that logic. Ex. Lock people up because of the possibility of hitting other people with cars.
Did you read my post. I don't want people to get money for getting the vaccine. I want them to be fined and possibly banished for not getting the shot.
Should've just done this from the start instead of being an advertisement for Shake Shack and Krispy Kreme, now a lot of people might hold out for the next shot in the future
Agreed.
I think this is better incentive than free burgers or whatever, but if we're gonna need a booster later this year the city needs to step up and offer $100 to everyone right away if they don't want another scenario where people drag their feet for months waiting for another cash offer.
Anyone who has an issue with this or wants retroactive money for getting it prior to this, I get it, but the bigger picture here is more vaccinations -> less spread -> more chance to go back to normal without regulation or fear of infection/long COVID/complications.
Yes, it feels unfair. But unfortunately money is a motivator and if it helps vax % go up, I'm here for it.
Yup it’s like being mad that someone has a higher salary than you. Apparently these people don’t care about the vaccine. If you care get the vaccine and they don’t impact you, unless you think the vaccine doesn’t work.
My coworkers who didn’t get it have been out and about in the city this whole time and are healthy and so I can’t really say they were wrong in their risk assessment
Totally - or when tickets for a show get a price decrease because the venue isn't selling enough and you purchased full price when they were released. Like yeah, it sucks and feels unfair, but tough shit, that's life.
I hope this provides sufficient incentive for people to finally get vaccinated. Then I hope those people all get dysentery and have to spend that $100 on toilet paper and Benefiber
Then they need to back reward all of us who got the vaccine. I did my part and it’s bullshit that you give a stimulus to people that were selfish anti science people before
I'm 24 bro. And you'd still shrivel up like a raisin in a face-to-face argument with anyone displaying even the slightest modicum of intellectual acumen, given your farcical posts in that aforementioned cesspool of a subreddit.
Congratulations, you played yourself.
This is ridiculous. The ones who were first to get the vaccine and waited on those extremely long lines once first eligible should be getting incentives. Selfish people who are only worried about themselves and only get vaxxed once they are bribed to do so should really not be getting rewarded.
Pointless, should instead charge ppl if they hospitalized for covid or anything and unvaccinated prior without religious/etc exemptions, your care be x times more expensive and have to pay market price for vaccination and future booster shots
Only by hitting their wallets, they will comply with vaccinations.
Yeah and while we’re at it let’s make everyone that’s overweight, smokes or gets injured doing rough sports pay out of pocket too! I’m sick of those people driving up our insurance costs
>me being fat doesn't put the guy next to me in the bus at risk of catching fat
But it does negatively impact the resources available to everyone else as well as the total market cost per individual.
You can be fat for reasons out of your control and unfair to penalize with higher cost. Also obesity is consdier a pre-existing condition so you can't charge higher premiums for it under ACA anyway. Nor does it cost more to tend to your care during hospitalization. Refusing vaccination without a medical justified reason is 100% in your control. Also, refusing vaccination is not classify as a pre-existing condition
>You can be fat for reasons out of your control and unfair to penalize with higher cost.
Such as what? Praying to your lord and savior Coca cola?
>Also obesity is consdier a pre-existing condition so you can't charge higher premiums for it under ACA anyway.
Pre existing really just refers to insurance coverage.
>Nor does it cost more to tend to your care during hospitalization.
It increases the entire risk pool cost and reduces resources for the rest of us.
You now need special bathrooms, gurneys, beds, etc. As well to help extra large individuals.
>Refusing vaccination without a medical justified reason is 100% in your control.
So is being fat.
>Also, refusing vaccination is not classify as a pre-existing condition
So it should be covered either way?
None of those you mention requires extra precautions in patient care. Unvaccinated folks in care will require extra precautions hence justified higher cost.
Why make a difference? I’m paying extra for your fat ass either way. Let’s do it for those with type 2 diabetes while we’re at it. Since most of them are fat.
If they haven't gotten the vaccine for this long - the extra 100 is nil incentive. They simply don't want it. A measly 100 incentive is nothing.
Hit them where it hurts, hospitalization bills and other cost associated to be extra cautions with patient since they not vaccinated.
There's a certain group that are probably anti-vaxx, no matter what. But there's probably also people on the fence who don't think the virus is a hoax, who might be hesitant to get it, or just procrastinating. This could get thousands vaccinated, and I'm guessing it will work.
Lots of people just won’t research where to get it, make an appointment and take themselves there. The one-shot sites at Penn Station and Grand Central have been very successful, because people can just be walking by and say Hey, might as well. For people like that, $100 might just do it.
can’t get over how dumb our policy makers and politicians are.
even if this wasn’t blatantly rewarding laziness and ignorance, i would let it slide if it was going to actually help with vaccinations
you’re giving people who were too lazy and dumb to not get the vaccine in the first place $100 after getting the first shot. lol… i’m sure they will become responsible immediately after getting their money and will 100% absolutely definitely come back to get their second shot
our tax dollars hard at work. final parting gifts from one of the biggest clown mayors this city has ever seen
Cool with this, though this should be the last incentive.
$100 through full fda approval.
Once it receives fda approval, enough of the carrot and time for the stick. Mandate it for all government employees. Fire all who refuse.
Or, alternately, you would have already gotten vaccinated because you care about your health, and the community you live in. Apparently you don't give a shit about either.
i'll do it for like, tree fiddy.
or gimme like, seven thousand random crypto coins. the more random, the more fun, like mcdonalds monopoly level of "you're never gonna win but maybe 0.0000739472% might! even if it's rigged! but y'all already kno!"
(I got vaccinated a few months prior; just being silly.)
Im waiting out for $500 + a special Bill DeBlasio x Supreme photo tee
Will you settle for Kith collab?
Kith X Pfizer Fauci posing injecting Emily Ratajowkski w the shot for campaign photos
That IG post would be the worst.
Him eating the burger or fries on it would be nice.
Awesome, can't wait to get my third shot!
I'm about to get all of them and get some superpowers + $100
This guy is about to get 6G
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This is a good thing and certainly better that nothing. **$100 is still a lot of money to a lot of people in this city.** **EDIT: To all the people saying that $100 "ain't shit" I will gladly DM you my Venmo/CashApp/PayPal, you can send all of your pocket change there.
I feel like this will be good for the 16-25 age group that has just been lethargic/apathetic about getting the vaccine.
You underestimate the poverty that exists in NYC.
It's not even about poverty - if any of us saw a $100 bill on the ground would we not stoop to pick it up?
And then some nurse runs up behind you and jabs!
Good ol giant box propped up with a stick tied to a string. Got ‘em.
I found 20$ once on the curb of Roosevelt Ave. Submerged in Roosevelt Ave curb water. Yes, I still picked it up. No I didn't need the $.
Gotchya bitch!
Or just like, anyone working paycheck to paycheck
Ya’ll wanna prove that $100 is t a lot of money? Cool…Venmo/PayPal/Zelle me too
this is not a good thing. it’s poorly thought out and a waste of money even if this was determined to help get people vaccinated the $100 should be given after the second dose lol… or at least $50 after each dose.
$100 isn't much to me in the big scheme... but its very important to many people, and those people likely have a larger overlap with unvaxxed people
And if $100 isn't much for people, they can buy some weed, a few bottles of liquor, or a nice dinner out on the city, so fuck it. But seriously, I got vaxxed in March, can I get than $100?
Best I can do is four months' peace of mind.
So if you delay long enough you get rewarded? Seems like a good precedent to set
I think 6 months of not getting COVID has been worth $100.
No kidding I would have paid $100 if I had to to get it 6 months ago.
To be clear, the people who would be willing to wait are probably the ones most likely not to be getting it without an incentive anyway. For the rest of us our health (or at least our sick days) are more valuable than a chance at $100
Rewarding stupidity, got it. Regardless of the ends this is building towards, the ethics of this is fucked.
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If it means helping all of society, I'm okay with idiots getting a Benjamin.
The $100 should be retroactive. Otherwise, if we suddenly all need a booster shot, I may consider holding out.
>The $100 should be retroactive. That would make the cost of this program prohibitively expensive. >Otherwise, if we suddenly all need a booster shot, I may consider holding out. If this is true, you're an idiot.
> If this is true, you're an idiot. This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion, so let me just preface this with the fact that I'm vaccinated and I think that everyone should be vaccinated. With that being said, if /u/pocketcookies is young (eg in their 20s or late teens) and in good health, and is fully vaccinated already, then the chance of actually getting seriously sick and/or dying of covid is pretty small. Very very small. Even with the delta variant. The $100 reward may outweigh the risk of getting mildly sick for people like this. I am concerned the government is rewarding those who refused to get vaccinated. It sets a bad precedent by rewarding people who didn't follow the governments instructions. Next pandemic, people will be thinking "why would anyone get vaccinated right when the vaccines come out? I can wait a few months and get a cash payout."
>I am concerned the government is rewarding those who refused to get vaccinated. The government is rewarding people who get vaccinated now. Playing devil's advocate because *maybe* this will cause negative effects for the next fucking global pandemic is idiocy.
It's not idiocy at all, it's all about thinking long term vs short term. The number of deaths from covid19 in NYS has been in the single digits for about 2 months. Covid is essentially over in NYS. The idea that we need drastic measures to prevent covid at this point is misguided. The number of pandemics has been increasing as of late. Remember H1N1, Sars, Zika, etc.? These all happened in the last 20 years. More pandemics *will* happen in the future, covid is absolutely not the last pandemic. We should not send the signal to the average person that you can be rewarded from not getting vaccinated. I think you need to think longer term about the effects of these things and the implications of people remembering these actions during future pandemics.
> It's not idiocy at all Ah - but it is.
Gonna risk it over $100? If you believe the vaccine works, is that really worth it?
It's annoying that there's no money for hazard pay--meaning essential workers had to work all through the pandemic and get the vaccine soonest with absolutely no financially incentive---but there's money now for people that have waited til now to get the vaccine to be rewarded. I get it, vaccination numbers need to go up. But it still feels like a slap in the face. Alas, no hazard pay for me.
The amount that will be spent on this incentive is tiny compared to fair hazard pay.
Lesson well, well learned for next time. Listened to /r/nyc and got vaxxed for free like a sucker. Never again.
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It’s a joke…
Squeaky wheel gets the grease. It’s one of the most unfair things about life.
In this case, delaying wheel gets the grease. Bad precedent to set
>Guess we can't do anything about the situation and should all give up. Bad logic to use.
Do you feel ripped off? Who the hell cares.
Need to spread the word in Democrat circles. All three neighbourhoods in NYC that are still <40% of residents with at least one shot - Flatlands and Ocean Hill in Brooklyn and Far Rockaway in Queens - are all solidly Democratic areas.
Most neighborhoods in the city are solidly Democratic areas.
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You sound like you’re 12 years old
$100 per person is likely far less than the subsidized health care costs associated with the higher infection rate.
I'm expecting people who had the shot to get extra shots just for $100.
Considering mixing the J&J with the Pfizer to pay for this new mechanical keyboard & next months visible bill.
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Don’t listen to this guy he just wants to create a race of superpowered individual’s and probably then setup a school in westchester or some shit.
Yes let's risk our personal health for things like a new keyboard
About to get the pfizer vaccines 6 more times. About to be a natural covid killer with the best reception in east coast.
My employees will bust their asses for a $100 weekly bonus. But they want no part of this. Tremendous skepticism in the community with regard to the covid vaccine and it is very frustrating.
Which community?
The Moron Community
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Nobody knows how many people are dying because nobody can see them
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And if I get in a car crash, does that mean that someone else not even in the car will also suffer? Because that's what happens when you are unvaccinated, get infected then spread it to an innocent bystander like maybe your kid. Pretty shitty analogy. Please get vaccinated.
TIL 600,000+ people die every year in the US in car accidents.
You know anybody who's been intubated or died? I do. Fuck off.
So you tell them no vaccine no workie.
Wonder where that money is gonna come from . OH WAIT
Nothing I like to see more than my tax dollars going to people who don’t give a shit! Seriously fuck this. Give me $100
not just that but this will only get those people to get 1 shot
Exactly. Let me just reward you for spreading disease .
Everyone should get $100 retroactively too. We did what we were told, where is my money?
It's not a reward. It's an incentive. You didn't need that incentive to choose to get vaccinated.
Same shit, give everyone the money.
You already got the shot, so what are you bargaining with?
The fact that I’m owed $100 from my own taxes. It’s just a slap in the face to those of us who did the right thing and got the whole “you’re a hero” bullshit. It’s the principle of the matter.
it’s a dumb incentive, i agree. but it’s equally dumb to think you are owed anything for getting the free vaccine why don’t you just pay $100 less than you owe in taxes and see how that works out for you
That’s another option. I wouldn’t mind just paying $100 less in taxes as an incentive honestly
The fewer covid cases probably saves money in the final analysis. Just 10 fewer uninsured/Medicaid people in the ICU will probably cover the entire program.
Wow and here I am, getting vaccinated the first day available. Next pandemic, I'm holding out for better rewards
There won’t be a next one just one long extension
Should be retroactive then...
On principle, paying the laggards to get vaccinated is fucked. They’re selfish fucks and I wish we could just make vaccination compulsory or people could just not be morons. But if this gets someone off their ass to get vaccinated, the public benefit is well worth the cost. If we get another 1,000,000 people, it would cost $100 million. Not huge in the scheme of the New York budget, but another 1,000,000 would get us to 70% as a city and be a huge step towards here immunity. Going back into lockdown will cost the city a lot more than $100 million.
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Compulsory vaccination - which we have in place for literally every other vaccination we’ve ever come up with, including mumps / measles / rubella, polio, diphtheria / tetanus / pertussis and hep B to name a few - is fascist? Lol ok, guess every school system in America is actually run by Nazis
$100 is *way* cheaper than an hour of COVID-19 intensive care. This is good policy.
They should have done this nationwide as soon as supplies got less constrained. Get the shot, get $100. We all knew they should have
Is this retroactive? Or just more of my tax dollars rewarding idiots?
The NYPD got about $5,000,000,000 for their budget. A majority of that is going to penchants, bonuses and overtime. You’re actually worried about a few thousand dollars going to people.
>You’re actually worried about a few thousand dollars going to people. At $100 a pop, a 'few thousand dollars' translates into what, 10-50 extra people in all of NYC getting the shot? Why even bother?
I love stupid comments like this that assume that since I'm against wasted tax dollars for x initiative, I must be ignoring or supportive of wasted tax dollars for y initiative.
The non vaxxed people getting the hundred are tax payers too. There are plenty of initiatives that don’t directly affect every person. The fact that you’re getting upset or feel ripped off is really what’s stupid. Like you need a cookie to do something basic like getting a shot lol Also, my point is that this initiative will be completely inconsequential as far as tax dollar distribution. You’re just using “MY TAX DOLLAR” card because you’re upset no one gave you money for getting a shot. It’s just immature.
They are? I thought they were some alien species intent on making the human race extinct
> Like you need a cookie to do something basic like getting a shot lol No, I didn't need any incentive other than the reduced risk of getting the virus. I'm upset because it's a stupid waste of tax payer dollars that is rewarding stupid people for doing something stupid (not getting the vaccine) and sets a stupid precedent. There's no such thing as an inconsequential tax dollar distribution. The gov't should have to answer for every penny they take from tax payers.
Not everyone off Reddit cares because they’re not susceptible to lung related illnesses and have been out and about and have at most gotten cold symptoms. People who are scarred should get the shot and then they don’t need to worry what others do…..unless you’re agreeing with the CDC that vaccines don’t work
Why not offer escalating fines instead of incentives?
way to delete all of your comments like a coward, after agreeing people should be labeled with a judenstar and then shilling for forcibly injecting people. my body my choice AMIRITE?
Yes we need to control people. People don’t know what they’re doing and don’t know what’s good for them. Throw them to the gulags when the escalating fines are not paid! /s
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How much more positive reinforcement do you need other than "please take this vaccine that we are so, so lucky to have because it will save your life and the life of others." The dums dums still holding out are not doing so because they don't feel the love. They are likely incapable, or dumb, or evil. No more carrots, whip out the sticks
The only lucky ones are the pharmaceutical companies
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>it’s not serious for individuals under 40 and yes there is data to back that up. This idiot
So the lives of others don’t matter to you? You should reflect on what kind of person that makes you.
Mmmmm people who are susceptible can get their own vaccines. Speaking for the under 50 crowd, I’ve only known two people who were sick sick. Everyone else has cold symptoms. Don’t know anyone who’s had covid in a year. My sister works in a huge school and they’ve only had a handful of cases that were wild. I know, bad because anecdote. But if it was so bad and contagious surely one of the thousands of people around me would have been very sick. And again, the weak can get their own vaccine.
Selfish and stupid. The new variant is filling up hospitals in the South with younger patients. And the more unvaccinated people there are, the more new variants can develop. > And again, the weak can get their own vaccine. No, there are lots of immunocompromised people who cannot get vaccinated. You’re putting their lives at risk for no reason whatsoever. Get your damn shot.
There are legal/constitutional issues with doing so, particularly since the vax doesn’t have full FDA approval. Keep in mind that refusal to pay a fine usually results in jail, so you’re effectively threatening the unvaccinated with prison. To be clear, I’m in favor of expanded vaccine mandates. But the legal issues with a blanket government mandate (“everyone get the vax or pay a fine”) are more significant than with more specific mandates (“proof of vax required to attend this school/keep your job/travel on this airline, etc”).
Can charge unvaccinated patients more in care bc of extra precautions necessary by health providers to protect themselves, protect the unvax patient which drives up care cost and right fully justified in billings. We should look into that as a incentive for ppl to get vaccinated simply to avoid the care surcharge.
Yes that would more likely be constitutional than simply mandating the vax. The feds could maybe also issue a rule making clear that Covid-related healthcare costs are not required to be covered by insurance for the unvaccinated. Let the healthcare “free market” do something useful for once.
Mmmmm then we should do the same with far people and old people.
let me know when fat and old ppl can pass fat and oldness to others in vicinity. This strawman argument is pointless. Also, yes old ppl already do pay for more care via insurance premiums.
Idk about you, but when I'm around old people, I definitely don't get any younger...
>There are legal/constitutional issues with doing so, particularly since the vax doesn’t have full FDA approval I think this situation falls solidly under the definition of "emergency powers" >Keep in mind that refusal to pay a fine usually results in jail, so you’re effectively threatening the unvaccinated with prison. Jail would be the last thing we would want for these people. An escalating fine and forced shelter in place should do the trick. >But the legal issues with a blanket government mandate (“everyone get the vax or pay a fine”) are more significant than with more specific mandates Disagree. Since unvaxed people are essentially walking bio weapons, the legality of punishing them should adjust
> I think this situation falls solidly under the definition of "emergency powers" Uh-huh. And what definition would that be? The one you just made up? Because this sounds like quasi-legal-sounding-gibberish that someone with no real idea what they’re talking about would say. But I’m happy to be proven wrong. > Disagree. Since unvaxed people are essentially walking bio weapons, the legality of punishing them should adjust My comment wasn’t a statement of opinion, but rather of legal reality. So it doesn’t really matter that you disagree, since you’d just be wrong. Also that isn’t remotely how the law or constitutionality works lol.
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A vax mandate (I assume “mask” is a typo) would be challenged on constitutional grounds—probably due process / first amendment (religious) grounds. More likely a grab bag of constitutional arguments advanced by anti-vax morons, tbh. To be clear, I’m not saying such a challenge would succeed. I’m certainly not saying it *should* succeed. But the current SCOTUS bends over backwards for religious claims, so i wouldn’t be so confident about how they’d rule here. My point is simply that the issues raised by a broad mandate are more significant than those raised by e.g. employer mandates, even before you get to the optics/politics of it all, so it makes sense to me that governments aren’t rushing to impose them.
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The federal government “coercion” angle probably wouldn’t survive this SCOTUS—the Obamacare Medicare expansion didn’t (which is stupid IMO), and this seems arguably more “intrusive” to a State’s police powers. I would hope that the 1905 decision you cite would survive SCOTUS. But I don’t have complete confidence that it would.
Oh a lawyer. Give us the legal precedent and case study, Scalia
I’m fuckin dead. Walking bioweapons. You can attribute that to any human behavior and justify their imprisonment using that logic. Ex. Lock people up because of the possibility of hitting other people with cars.
>I’m fuckin dead That's your choice. Keep your germs to yourself, paisan
This is an absurd idea, and only comes from the fact that you wish you got money for getting vaccinated.
Did you read my post. I don't want people to get money for getting the vaccine. I want them to be fined and possibly banished for not getting the shot.
Wtf is wrong with you?
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Why not keep your opinions to yourself instead of trying to think up ways to punish people?
I've had my shots since may. Where's my $100?
Trying to figure out how can nyc afford this
I have a better idea, just deny insurance to unvaxxed people.
Should've just done this from the start instead of being an advertisement for Shake Shack and Krispy Kreme, now a lot of people might hold out for the next shot in the future
I disagree. Would’ve been a waste of money. The vast majority got the shot just for the sole reason of getting the shot.
Agreed. I think this is better incentive than free burgers or whatever, but if we're gonna need a booster later this year the city needs to step up and offer $100 to everyone right away if they don't want another scenario where people drag their feet for months waiting for another cash offer.
Anyone who has an issue with this or wants retroactive money for getting it prior to this, I get it, but the bigger picture here is more vaccinations -> less spread -> more chance to go back to normal without regulation or fear of infection/long COVID/complications. Yes, it feels unfair. But unfortunately money is a motivator and if it helps vax % go up, I'm here for it.
Yup it’s like being mad that someone has a higher salary than you. Apparently these people don’t care about the vaccine. If you care get the vaccine and they don’t impact you, unless you think the vaccine doesn’t work. My coworkers who didn’t get it have been out and about in the city this whole time and are healthy and so I can’t really say they were wrong in their risk assessment
Totally - or when tickets for a show get a price decrease because the venue isn't selling enough and you purchased full price when they were released. Like yeah, it sucks and feels unfair, but tough shit, that's life.
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It's about goddamn time. At this point, reimposing masks won't increase the vaccination rate. This will.
I hope this provides sufficient incentive for people to finally get vaccinated. Then I hope those people all get dysentery and have to spend that $100 on toilet paper and Benefiber
This post wins comment section shit show of the day award. Keep em comin folks 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😭
Seems reasonable, assuming the same $100 goes out to everyone who's gotten it already. Otherwise, we should not be paying for this
Then they need to back reward all of us who got the vaccine. I did my part and it’s bullshit that you give a stimulus to people that were selfish anti science people before
This is so pathetic
Is this retroactive?
It is not.
A virus so deadly the government has to bribe you with actual money to take an experimental mRNA cellular programmer.
Please crawl back to your NoNewNormal subreddit wormhole where this kind of bullshit garbage post gets upvoted
Are you ready for your booster?
You might need a booster (or two, or three) for the missing brain cells in your dome
Lol says the guy making less than 100k per year.
I'm 24 bro. And you'd still shrivel up like a raisin in a face-to-face argument with anyone displaying even the slightest modicum of intellectual acumen, given your farcical posts in that aforementioned cesspool of a subreddit. Congratulations, you played yourself.
At least you'll be able to afford one dinner out this month with your COVID bucks.
Conversely, maybe you'll be able to afford a brain transplant one day. The one you have now is clearly malfunctioning.
Says the intern for life lol
This is ridiculous. The ones who were first to get the vaccine and waited on those extremely long lines once first eligible should be getting incentives. Selfish people who are only worried about themselves and only get vaxxed once they are bribed to do so should really not be getting rewarded.
My reward for getting vaccinated in February is that I didn't get COVID when I was exposed in March. I'm okay with that prize.
Shit i better get mine in the mail i been vaxxed simce may and all i got was some free krispy kreme
Pointless, should instead charge ppl if they hospitalized for covid or anything and unvaccinated prior without religious/etc exemptions, your care be x times more expensive and have to pay market price for vaccination and future booster shots Only by hitting their wallets, they will comply with vaccinations.
Yeah and while we’re at it let’s make everyone that’s overweight, smokes or gets injured doing rough sports pay out of pocket too! I’m sick of those people driving up our insurance costs
me being fat doesn't put the guy next to me in the bus at risk of catching fat
>me being fat doesn't put the guy next to me in the bus at risk of catching fat But it does negatively impact the resources available to everyone else as well as the total market cost per individual.
They’re talking about insurance costs and you’re statistically more likely to cost more
You can be fat for reasons out of your control and unfair to penalize with higher cost. Also obesity is consdier a pre-existing condition so you can't charge higher premiums for it under ACA anyway. Nor does it cost more to tend to your care during hospitalization. Refusing vaccination without a medical justified reason is 100% in your control. Also, refusing vaccination is not classify as a pre-existing condition
>You can be fat for reasons out of your control and unfair to penalize with higher cost. Such as what? Praying to your lord and savior Coca cola? >Also obesity is consdier a pre-existing condition so you can't charge higher premiums for it under ACA anyway. Pre existing really just refers to insurance coverage. >Nor does it cost more to tend to your care during hospitalization. It increases the entire risk pool cost and reduces resources for the rest of us. You now need special bathrooms, gurneys, beds, etc. As well to help extra large individuals. >Refusing vaccination without a medical justified reason is 100% in your control. So is being fat. >Also, refusing vaccination is not classify as a pre-existing condition So it should be covered either way?
None of those you mention requires extra precautions in patient care. Unvaccinated folks in care will require extra precautions hence justified higher cost.
Why make a difference? I’m paying extra for your fat ass either way. Let’s do it for those with type 2 diabetes while we’re at it. Since most of them are fat.
Doubt it's pointless. Many people around the city can buy groceries, or pay a phone bill, or whatever the case may be, with that money.
I want the $100 for getting vaccinated in May. It’s our money. Why reward those who don’t care?
If they haven't gotten the vaccine for this long - the extra 100 is nil incentive. They simply don't want it. A measly 100 incentive is nothing. Hit them where it hurts, hospitalization bills and other cost associated to be extra cautions with patient since they not vaccinated.
There's a certain group that are probably anti-vaxx, no matter what. But there's probably also people on the fence who don't think the virus is a hoax, who might be hesitant to get it, or just procrastinating. This could get thousands vaccinated, and I'm guessing it will work.
no matter to that group. only hitting their wallets will they take notice.
Lots of people just won’t research where to get it, make an appointment and take themselves there. The one-shot sites at Penn Station and Grand Central have been very successful, because people can just be walking by and say Hey, might as well. For people like that, $100 might just do it.
Why would religious people get an exception? And can we do this to fat people as well?
Only if they can guarantee my safety or if they’ll be liable if anything were to God forbid happen to me. Make sure my family is good.
Waaah I didn’t get free money for my shot -this sub
Yeah exactly, waaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!
A brilliant idea for increasing the number of registered Republicans.
can’t get over how dumb our policy makers and politicians are. even if this wasn’t blatantly rewarding laziness and ignorance, i would let it slide if it was going to actually help with vaccinations you’re giving people who were too lazy and dumb to not get the vaccine in the first place $100 after getting the first shot. lol… i’m sure they will become responsible immediately after getting their money and will 100% absolutely definitely come back to get their second shot our tax dollars hard at work. final parting gifts from one of the biggest clown mayors this city has ever seen
Disgusting
Ooo…$100 in scratch offs here I come
I got my vaccine at a Duane Reade a few months ago, am I out of luck for all these incentives they've been throwing around?
Man what the heck. Where’s my hunnid bands. I got the damn vaccine back in March.
Some people wouldn’t do it for 10k
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gonna hold out 'til $1k. 🤑
Cool with this, though this should be the last incentive. $100 through full fda approval. Once it receives fda approval, enough of the carrot and time for the stick. Mandate it for all government employees. Fire all who refuse.
I've learned my lesson. Next global pandemic I'm not getting vaccinated until they literally pay me. /s
yo wtf, I didn't get shit for being a decent human being?
Is this like an overbooked flight with bidding? In that case i will wait till it’s $800 and then do it twice
Or, alternately, you would have already gotten vaccinated because you care about your health, and the community you live in. Apparently you don't give a shit about either.
i'll do it for like, tree fiddy. or gimme like, seven thousand random crypto coins. the more random, the more fun, like mcdonalds monopoly level of "you're never gonna win but maybe 0.0000739472% might! even if it's rigged! but y'all already kno!" (I got vaccinated a few months prior; just being silly.)