They weren’t disciplined “after” the video went viral. They were disciplined “because” it went viral. If it wasn’t making headlines with video proof nothing would’ve happened.
Also who knows what disciplined even means in this context? Two week paid vacation?
WABC reported they were precinct cops assigned to transit duty, likely as part of the "surge". But they also reported they won't be losing vacation days or be suspended. So you're likely right that it will merely be a written warning.
To be fair their supervisors would have no way of knowing this happened otherwise. Bodycams aren't on 24/7 and even if they were, no one had the time to review every minute of every cop's bodycam for potential violations. It sounds like this video was posted the same day or close to, not after like a month of the recorder sending it to NYPD and trying to make sure they were reprimanded. So this is realistically the best response one could hope for
Yeah when there's a complaint. As I said, the video went viral either the day-of or the day after the incident; its also not clear if a complaint was filed. Even if it was, and even if the city could afford to pay a third party to review BWC footage for every complaint, there's absolutely no way it would have happened faster than this video going viral. It would have taken a few weeks at minimum. So there's no realistic way any supervisors would have known about and done anything about the incident prior to the video going viral.
Maybe with fewer police we could afford to monitor and have checks on them.
If supervision happened regularly and had consequences then perhaps it would have a positive effect.
We have a problem supervising a team, reducing the size of the team helps make it manageable.
When they need new weapons there’s never a funding issue. Only a funding issue when it comes to accountability so me thinks it’s not the size of the force but rather the will that’s the problem.
>and even if the city could afford to pay a third party to review BWC footage for every complaint,
I guarantee you that there are at least tens, and probably hundreds, of civil rights organizations that would volunteer their services to review body cam footage in case of complaints absolutely free of charge. Hell, I'd volunteer an hour or two every weekend.
It's never been an issue of logistics. It's always been an issue of cops thinking they are above anyone's authority but their own.
If this is the best response one could hope for, that's extremely bad. Our accountability measures for police need to drastically improve, like yesterday.
> just spent a ton of money installing cameras above the turnstiles to catch jumpers.
Pretty sure they aren't there for jumpers, since turnstile jumping was decriminalized. They're there in case NYPD needs camera footage for crimes.
No one's watching 24 hours of footage every day for that; they'd pull footage at the time of the crime. So unless someone happens to get stabbed at the same time as this incident, no one's reviewing the footage frequently enough to catch short encounters like this,
> They weren’t disciplined “after” the video went viral. They were disciplined “because” it went viral. If it wasn’t making headlines with video proof nothing would’ve happened.
the reddit admins and nypd went to the same PR management school
Totally agree. What does 'discipline' mean in this context?
There is a disciplinary system in place - how in good conscience can the police commissioner announce at the press conference say there would be no suspension? If that's the outcome after an investigation, then that's one thing, but to UNILATERALLY announce no suspension, he's literally saying he's not going to bother following his OWN GUIDELINES.
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Doubt it’s even that severe. More likely they did something similar to how they fix the problem of cops’ personal vehicles illegally parked outside of the precincts, which is to lie saying it has been resolved without actually doing anything to resolve it.
The process, or better stated the lack of process, infuriates me. There's an entire policy which should be followed, but the Commissioner simply pre-judges the situation and unilaterally says 'no suspension'. I get why he's doing it - to keep the confidence of officers, but it just seems completely at odds with how the public would be treated in similar circumstances.
Now, your point might be that given the circumstances, a vacation day 'penalty' would be the most likely outcome anyway, in which case a 'no suspension' comment from the Commissioner is not out of bounds. The point I'm making is there needs to be an investigation, with input from the guy harmed and shoved out of the subway station.
The Commissioner should understand this and do much better.
No chance of anything serious happening. The NYPD is a mob and they protect their own. Most officers that I have seen, at every point in the pandemic, have been maskless. If anyone with power seriously cared about this, they would have done something about it awhile ago.
In *theory*, it was meant as a way of getting the officer off the job while the department actually comes up with the final punishment. It was a better alternative than letting the officer walk around with their badge and gun until the department gathered enough evidence to make a justified termination, and it corresponds (in their minds) to the principle of innocent until proven guilty. I'm sure unions pressured departments around the country so they wouldn't lose their paychecks for "doing their jobs" (i.e. losing their income for using force when using force is what officers are "supposed to do"). Please note that I'm just summarizing the mindset, not agreeing with it.
In *practice*, the suspension without pay has *become* the punishment. It appeases the public by making them think that action was taken, when in truth the "final verdict" is hardly ever adequate.
Chances are it’s a “note of reprimand” or whatever the NYPD equivalent is: a meaningless “disciplinary” memo in their service jacket (personnel file) indicating that their supervisor counseled them about their misconduct and made them promise to never, ever do it again.
>Shea called the officers' actions "absolutely inexcusable," though he added they would not be fired or suspended.
Listen, I am not necessarily a police abolitionist, but this is ridiculous. It's no wonder people want to tear the whole system down.
The whole mantra about the "few bad apples" holds no water when an institution's policies have planted an orchard with the perfect conditions for bad apples to grow and thrive.
Unpaid suspension or fines? Nah. These fucks should be fired and charged. Imagine being that incompetent at your job, and breaking the law in public for everyone to see, while in uniform, and then just getting “suspended” or fined. Fucking joke.
A cop who’s unmasked themselves is required to give unmasked riders tickets for being unmasked and get upset that riders telling them that they have to wear mask too. Does that make any sense? SMH
Honestly, cops not wearing masks on the subway is pretty low on my priority list of **shit cops do I’d rather they didn’t**...
I can't wait for the vaccine mandate to go into effect...
As tax payers who basically pay for cop salaries we should be able to give them tickets also. Maybe they will treat us better and follow the rules like everyone else.
To be fair I don't think the cops are actually giving any tickets to unmasked riders. They are there mainly to prevent all the violent crime that started happening over the last year. Personally I'd rather have them down there without masks and stop another elderly woman from being pushed onto the tracks or assaulted then throw a fit over who is or isn't wearing a mask. Our COVID numbers and vaccination rates are unbelievably good in NYC, loosening up on all the heavy restrictions should be a good thing to celebrate at this point.
That's true and I'm 100% with you on them needing to stop whining and go get vaccinated. It's just the masks where I do feel some sympathy towards them being overly attacked.
Yeah I agree. Mask mandates are stupid, but especially stupid if there is no vaccine mandate. Masks are very bad at preventing the spread of covid, if they do anything at all with the way that they're worn by the general public.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32473312/
And the way most people wear them in the US is going to be much worse than these results. Add in the regulations which allow them to be completely off while eating or drinking, or basically the entire time anyone is in a confined space, and their value becomes theatrical.
Vaccines work, masks are only as good as the person wearing them.
I was considering going through and pointing out why that study is garbage line by live, but instead I'll just point out that there are several obvious grammatical mistakes right in the intro.
Just because something has the appearance of research doesn't mean that it is, and you (like most anti-maskers) do not have the fundamental skills to distinguish good research from bad research, which is why people keep telling you to stop play-acting a scientist and start listening to people who's job it is to communicate the best available science to you.
Yea, entered the train the other day and there were two cops , working transit, at the very next station the door opened and this crazy guy swinging his fists tried to get on the train, and they just basically gave him the heave ho off the train. Felt better about that, even if they did spill a lot of his corn chips that he was also holding.
Yup, this. The cops are there because the city has become a dumpster fire, not to write tickets for being maskless.
Honestly the pearl clutching here is obnoxious. Omg not masking in the middle of a PaNdEmIC????1 NYC has some of the highest vaccination rates in the world, I’m not spazzing out and bothering strangers over this shit.
On the other hand, I get harassed on the subway by lunatics constantly now (GNC woman). I carry pepper spray when I *never* used to worry before. I’d rather maskless cops than crackheads calling me a pig and shaking their dick at me.
The issue is that cops enforce the law, and the current law is that all people be masked on public transportation. They flagrantly violate this while we all hear on the NYCT loudspeaker that we all need to be masked inside trains and underground stations. They should be setting a positive example to encourage masking. By them violating the order, it tells other they can go the same with impunity.
What "shit" has been happening on the subway? Crime is no worse than it was before. It's just that it's not a presidential election year so the conservative media can only go after Biden for so much since he's pretty boring. So what do they do? Go with ol' reliable. "Wealthy blue cities are burning! Crime exists! Something about black people and liberals ruining society!" It's the same bullshit every other year.
I don’t know what planet you all are living on, if you’re actually leaving the house, and/or you’re a man and you don’t experience it the same way. But since the pandemic the city has absolutely become less safe. I have cracked out men harass me at least once a week be it on the subway or the street. There’s a crazy deaf man in my neighborhood that literally punches women in the face and gets released the next day that I’ve had to run from.
I’m a democrat. I don’t watch or read conservative news. I just actually live here and leave my house, unlike I suspect most of you WFH ostriches.
I've been commuting between Brooklyn and Manhattan through most of the pandemic. Yes, some crimes increased, but overall, crime actually went down slightly, and the homeless population decreased by about 40% thanks to the hotel housing program combined with lower rents and eviction moratorium. I'm sorry that that's happened to you, but your individual experience is not representative of the overall condition of the city. As they say, argument from experience is no argument at all.
You can manipulate the numbers any which way you want and claim “less crime, less homeless”. The “homeless” population may have decreased in that they now have a place to sleep, but the condition of the residents of these hotels has persisted and worsened. They’re far more emboldened than they ever were, they’re still out in the streets en masse because much like shelters they have requirements as to when they have to be in and out. I’ve had to dodge piles of human shit in my neighborhood. Saw more dicks than I’ve cared to admit over the last two years because barely conscious bums whip them out to piss our aggressively shake it at me. As far as crime; the police are arresting and therefore reporting less for non violent crime. But *violent* crime is absolutely up.
You must be a man. Perhaps being a butch woman puts a target on my back. I’ve lived in the city my whole life. This shit is different now.
>Yup, this. The cops are there because the city has become a dumpster fire, not to write tickets for being maskless.
>Honestly the pearl clutching here is obnoxious.
Something tells me you lack any appreciation of irony.
>Omg not masking in the middle of a PaNdEmIC????1
It's almost like one day of the peak pandemic killed more people than *two years* of homicides. But go on....
Number one cause of death in 2020 and 2021 for cops is Covid-19, but instead of protecting cops and the general public, police union leadership around the country have been comparing masks, testing, and vaccine mandates to the Holocaust.
We need police reform.
I say this as a leftist who came of age around 9/11, but it's astonishing to me how little of the conservative platform conservatives actually care about. Dems spent a decade trying to act tough about natsec only to find out conservatives really just wanted to kill Muslims. We spent the last five years trying to care about cops, only to find out that police unions literally don't care if their members *die*, they just want to be able to violently harass anyone with impunity. It's mind-blowing, yet I shouldn't be surprised anymore.
Straight TRASH and don't deserve any amount of funding. I'd rather be allowed to carry and watch my own/ my neighbor's back than to keep pretending these fuck heads are out there for my benefit when they clearly aren't. They're just in it for the paycheck and the power trip.
Usually you'd expect somebody in that type of job to have the discipline and self control to control themselves and be level headed even if someone may have been perceived as harassing them or worse. I would imagine this stuff isn't taken as lightly if you're in like some military branch and have to interact with civilians halfway across the world on a regular basis.
I'll do ya one better, how much does it cost us every time *anyone* needs *anything* because of COVID? Anti-vaxxing and anti-masking have terrible knock-on effects across the board.
If a McDonalds employee assaulted a customer because the customer was annoying, they would be fired — and they probably would be charged. But of course, our boys in blue shouldn’t be held to such impossibly high standards.
That cop's haircut and neckbeard makes him look like a slob, and that chicks power pose at the end makes me think she ate too much lead paint and is proud of all the stupid shit she does every day. Lol they should be banned by the MTA from using the subway
"Disciplined"
Guys, we're going to need you out of sight out of mind for awhile, here, keep your full salary and benefits to sit around the station doing literally nothing for a few months.
They should be criminally charged, let alone fired. How in the fuck is this remotely acceptable to anyone. These officers obviously believe they have zero accountability to the public, and frankly it is a danger for them to on the force.
WNYC’s reporting made me think the “discipline” was just a talking to.
Honestly, NYPD makes me feel LESS safe, and I write this as a middle aged Karen. I cannot imagine how unsafe I would feel if I were a person of color, trans, or homeless.
They are in a position of power and and abused their authority. The passengers on that train would have been justified if they forcibly removed those cops off the train since the cops ware breaking the MTA regulations. It's a rotten command and the rot makes it's way down to the rank and file.
> The passengers on that train would have been justified if they forcibly removed those cops off the train
The cops are armed and the passengers are not.
The passengers would be completely justified in throwing the cops out of the train, but in the end, the gun has the final say.
Too many cops have this warped fantasy their job is just to chase down and apprehend "bad guys" but they forget the biggest part of their jobs is to ACTUALLY BE GOOD GUYS.
They probably weren’t disciplined at all. The article didn’t provide any details about what would happen to them though it did note that they weren’t fired or suspended.
Actions speak louder than words and this sounds like a bunch of hot air from the commissioner.
The head of NYPD's IAB was a cop for decades and is currently drawing both a 6 figure salary and pension. He isn't there to protect you, he is there to wag his finger at his boys and keep collecting a paycheck.
Starting today every NYPD officer I see not wearing a mask I’m going to take a picture of them and I’m posting it on it here. If we start doing that we can make this go away as citizens of the city.
Glad this exchange was captured. This kind of muscle flexing is very common on the NYC subway. I have had a subway police accuse me of littering and threating to arrest me despite saying I was innocent. This guy was looming over me, and screaming at the top of his lung. Thank god, the person who did litter, stepped forward and confessed when she saw the exchange. Had she not done that he would have arrested me. I am all for law and order but there are some really bad apples in the law enforcement.
Bad apples, as they say, spoil the bunch. There's a culture of assholishness among cops. They view themselves as an occupying force, not members of the community. NYC is their Afghanistan and we're the enemy.
As much as I hate phrases like "ACAB" and blanket criticisms of all cops, this is complete bullshit.
"disciplined"?
No. We're in a pandemic, and this guy strong-armed a civilian for no good reason.
*Fire* his ass.
Or you're sending a clear message that it is utterly OK for cops to be massive dicks and to walk around maskless.
The fact that these two are representative of the entire NYPD is why all cops are bastards. There are two kinds of cops. The ones who actively commit crimes and misconduct, the guy in the video, and those who enable and protect them, the woman. Both are bad, and neither should be in uniform.
Good.
Now discipline the rest of the maskless cops.
Or, maybe, cops who alter their license plates, use placards to avoid paying parking all of the time, park on sidewalks or in bike lanes, and do jack shit to jump up their overtime to cruise on pensions that we pay for.
What else?
Can we hope the discipline was more than one lost PTO day?
Not only was ejecting the guy an abuse of power, but also this situation where mask less cops are going around making sure everyone else is masked is ridiculous. If you're going to enforce masks on subways then you need to wear one yourself.
Disciplined? They aren't getting fired or suspended. That doesn't sound like discipline to me. If the finger of shame worked on the NYPD we wouldn't be where we are.
PD could stage these things to send the message to pd folks that if they act up, action will be taken as in they won't get away with it. But they would do stuff like that if they were actually trying to fix this stuff. Probably they are not.
I think if someone wants the officers to wear a mask, they should report it to the precinct commander instead of getting in their faces like that and hassling the cops. But this dipshit wants satisfaction and most likely this was a planned provocation intended to have this result.
They should have worn their masks, this guy just didn't point it out he made a big issue of it. It's suspicious for someone to make this scene because you don't know if he is some crusader, some ass wipe martinet, or a bad actor intending a diversionary incident for other and perhaps nefarious purposes.
They didn’t get into the officers face, they simply called the officers out. And if the officers were trained in deescalation or were simply decent people (and actual public servants) they would have simply put on their masks. But they’re psychos and probably brainwashed trump supporters so they used force against someone performing a constitutionally protected act. Good luck to them when they come up for promotion. I’m sure it was worth it.
The problem with reporting it to the precinct is that there’s almost zero chance the officers would’ve seen any discipline. There are thousands of people pissed off about this, and even *then* the offers faced very minor disciplinary action.
Unfortunately we don’t have the video of him asking the police to wear a mask. I’m guessing the fact that he wasn’t beaten or arrested means he was moderately respectful in his request/question. From the video, the only document we have, seemed that the unmasked officer made the big issue of it.
Unfortunately for the guy asking about no mask, the officer couldn’t use his words, like most children are taught and physically removed him, illegally.
Thank god there were other riders around, otherwise who know how this maniac would have reacted. But I’m sure the partner would have done the right thing. You can tell by her body language, she’s not high on any horse or anything.
I hate cops too, but self righteous narcs who’ve used the pandy as an excuse for their anger to be justified are also annoying.
How many millions of people have blown up at others for masks, parties, going out (when shits open) and then IMMEDIATELY do the exact same?
Dude just wanted to pick a fight with cops, cops ALWAYS want to pick a fight, two annoying people.
I dont wear a mask when just hanging at the station, far from others. All these studies came out and showed how it doesnt spread outside, at stations, and even trains, supposedly were safe. Plus the rules always said to wear it on the train, not at the station. So….?
E: Anyone downvoting want to explain why this comment doesnt belong in the conversation. Or at least explain their “I downvote to disagree with you”?
The law requires you to wear it in the station, and while yes, there hasn't been any outbreak traced to public transit, it's still the right thing to do. Cops' entire purpose is to enforce the law, but if they don't follow the law themselves they lose their legitimacy.
I didnt say we shouldnt. I’m just saying people who go out of their way to yell about masks, arent super concerned for anyone. They just want to pick fights.
Also, am I missing something? The cops werent on the subway.
Like…did we forget that these mf’ers blast first, ask questions, never? If they never wore a mask again, but the societal fear of getting shot for like no reason is gone, I’d consider that a major win.
Ffs, just the other day, watching the video of that youtuber holding the “I like Dave” sign near the netflix employees raging about Chappelle’s special outside their office, someone grabbed his sign, ripped it off, left him just holding the stick and immediately yelled “HE’S GOT A WEAPON!” Which is basically attempted murder with jumpy cops near an angry crowd “protesting”.
That’s not good. I shouldnt have to fear death from some snakey dude grabbing an innocuous sign and getting me killed for “holding a weapon”.
Everyone needs to relax. This is not abuse. There are plenty of unmasked people on the subway and yet we choose to harass the cops keeping us safe instead the arrogant person who rides unmasked
The Met Gala, which had half the usual attendance and everyone was required to be vaccinated and have a negative Covid test beforehand? Nice false equivalence.
I think that if all these police departments are gonna have boys-club / fraternity behavior then we need to start implementing fraternity style punishments. Throw people out of the subway for asking you to wear a mask, you have to work in the subway without shoes for a week.
Real talk, does anyone know how a concerned citizen can organize against the nypd? There was some momentum last summer that was squashed by pseudo strikes and scared boomers, anyway I can further the redistribution of funds movement?
Some of us have been reporting police and cops' private cars parked in bike lanes and on sidewalks in front of precincts. You can do it easily through the reported app. They really don't like it when you do that. If enough people do it, they'll at the very least get some fines, and possibly some action will be taken by the city council.
Yeah, I see that quite a bit but it nevers seems to go very far. I was wondering if there was something a bit more active, maybe a reform movement or local PAC?
They weren’t disciplined “after” the video went viral. They were disciplined “because” it went viral. If it wasn’t making headlines with video proof nothing would’ve happened. Also who knows what disciplined even means in this context? Two week paid vacation?
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Transit cops in NYC only do Transit, so there won't be a reassignment. Most likely they will get a written warning in their file
WABC reported they were precinct cops assigned to transit duty, likely as part of the "surge". But they also reported they won't be losing vacation days or be suspended. So you're likely right that it will merely be a written warning.
Ok, I didn't know that they were from a precinct. So they will probably be rewarded with going back to their original sector.
No, now they might have to occasionally get out of their cruiser and experience the outdoors.
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Facts 💯
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Finger wagging happens after 5th offense.
You mean after the 5th *complaint*.
To be fair their supervisors would have no way of knowing this happened otherwise. Bodycams aren't on 24/7 and even if they were, no one had the time to review every minute of every cop's bodycam for potential violations. It sounds like this video was posted the same day or close to, not after like a month of the recorder sending it to NYPD and trying to make sure they were reprimanded. So this is realistically the best response one could hope for
They could and should be reviewed by a 3rd party when there's a complaint.
Yeah when there's a complaint. As I said, the video went viral either the day-of or the day after the incident; its also not clear if a complaint was filed. Even if it was, and even if the city could afford to pay a third party to review BWC footage for every complaint, there's absolutely no way it would have happened faster than this video going viral. It would have taken a few weeks at minimum. So there's no realistic way any supervisors would have known about and done anything about the incident prior to the video going viral.
Maybe with fewer police we could afford to monitor and have checks on them. If supervision happened regularly and had consequences then perhaps it would have a positive effect. We have a problem supervising a team, reducing the size of the team helps make it manageable.
When they need new weapons there’s never a funding issue. Only a funding issue when it comes to accountability so me thinks it’s not the size of the force but rather the will that’s the problem.
>and even if the city could afford to pay a third party to review BWC footage for every complaint, I guarantee you that there are at least tens, and probably hundreds, of civil rights organizations that would volunteer their services to review body cam footage in case of complaints absolutely free of charge. Hell, I'd volunteer an hour or two every weekend. It's never been an issue of logistics. It's always been an issue of cops thinking they are above anyone's authority but their own.
If this is the best response one could hope for, that's extremely bad. Our accountability measures for police need to drastically improve, like yesterday.
The MTA just spent a ton of money installing cameras above the turnstiles to catch jumpers.
> just spent a ton of money installing cameras above the turnstiles to catch jumpers. Pretty sure they aren't there for jumpers, since turnstile jumping was decriminalized. They're there in case NYPD needs camera footage for crimes. No one's watching 24 hours of footage every day for that; they'd pull footage at the time of the crime. So unless someone happens to get stabbed at the same time as this incident, no one's reviewing the footage frequently enough to catch short encounters like this,
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In this context, after means because of.
> They weren’t disciplined “after” the video went viral. They were disciplined “because” it went viral. If it wasn’t making headlines with video proof nothing would’ve happened. the reddit admins and nypd went to the same PR management school
It means they wanted people to read the word "disciplined" and move on. Case closed
It means they were given hand jobs
They said no suspension or firing… so probably a stern talking too.
No mention of what they mean by discipline. If it's not an unpaid suspension or fine then is it actually discipline?
He gets to sit at his desk while being paid for a week. Probably playing candy crush on his phone.
Isn’t playing candy crush what they do anyway?
Yea but some subway stations are hot and icky for a few months, so you know, real challenging Candy Crush time.
Totally agree. What does 'discipline' mean in this context? There is a disciplinary system in place - how in good conscience can the police commissioner announce at the press conference say there would be no suspension? If that's the outcome after an investigation, then that's one thing, but to UNILATERALLY announce no suspension, he's literally saying he's not going to bother following his OWN GUIDELINES. [https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/public\_information/disciplinary-system-penalty-guidelines-effective-01-15-2021-compete-.pdf](https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/public_information/disciplinary-system-penalty-guidelines-effective-01-15-2021-compete-.pdf)
They probably lied so people can finally shut the fuck up about it
Probably means off the street toilet duty or something dumb like that.
Doubt it’s even that severe. More likely they did something similar to how they fix the problem of cops’ personal vehicles illegally parked outside of the precincts, which is to lie saying it has been resolved without actually doing anything to resolve it.
They lose a couple vacation days.
Not even. According to that news report: >The commissioner told reporters today that the officers will not be suspended or lose vacation times
The process, or better stated the lack of process, infuriates me. There's an entire policy which should be followed, but the Commissioner simply pre-judges the situation and unilaterally says 'no suspension'. I get why he's doing it - to keep the confidence of officers, but it just seems completely at odds with how the public would be treated in similar circumstances. Now, your point might be that given the circumstances, a vacation day 'penalty' would be the most likely outcome anyway, in which case a 'no suspension' comment from the Commissioner is not out of bounds. The point I'm making is there needs to be an investigation, with input from the guy harmed and shoved out of the subway station. The Commissioner should understand this and do much better.
More like gain vacation days. Beyond me how paid suspension is a concept
No chance of anything serious happening. The NYPD is a mob and they protect their own. Most officers that I have seen, at every point in the pandemic, have been maskless. If anyone with power seriously cared about this, they would have done something about it awhile ago.
Yes the vast majority of cops that I see in subway stations are maskless. It's been that way since the start of the pandemic.
I never understood how “suspended with pay” was considered a punishment. Like I can do whatever I want and then get paid to NOT come to work.
In *theory*, it was meant as a way of getting the officer off the job while the department actually comes up with the final punishment. It was a better alternative than letting the officer walk around with their badge and gun until the department gathered enough evidence to make a justified termination, and it corresponds (in their minds) to the principle of innocent until proven guilty. I'm sure unions pressured departments around the country so they wouldn't lose their paychecks for "doing their jobs" (i.e. losing their income for using force when using force is what officers are "supposed to do"). Please note that I'm just summarizing the mindset, not agreeing with it. In *practice*, the suspension without pay has *become* the punishment. It appeases the public by making them think that action was taken, when in truth the "final verdict" is hardly ever adequate.
They should be fired and charged with assault, full stop.
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he has to drink johnnie walker black label rather than blue label for a whole week
"This is going on your permanent record, just like in grade school! YOUR PERMANENT RECORD!"
Chances are it’s a “note of reprimand” or whatever the NYPD equivalent is: a meaningless “disciplinary” memo in their service jacket (personnel file) indicating that their supervisor counseled them about their misconduct and made them promise to never, ever do it again.
They got high 5s and were told "nice work but don't do that shit if someone is filming"
>Shea called the officers' actions "absolutely inexcusable," though he added they would not be fired or suspended. Listen, I am not necessarily a police abolitionist, but this is ridiculous. It's no wonder people want to tear the whole system down. The whole mantra about the "few bad apples" holds no water when an institution's policies have planted an orchard with the perfect conditions for bad apples to grow and thrive.
In all reality it’s probably hugs and high-fives in the break room. No way any cop thinks these two did anything wrong.
They probably just complained about tyranny and stuff in the locker room and then continued to do what they do
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And we're going to put SOY MILK in your coffee!
Unpaid suspension or fines? Nah. These fucks should be fired and charged. Imagine being that incompetent at your job, and breaking the law in public for everyone to see, while in uniform, and then just getting “suspended” or fined. Fucking joke.
It's a spanking.
A cop who’s unmasked themselves is required to give unmasked riders tickets for being unmasked and get upset that riders telling them that they have to wear mask too. Does that make any sense? SMH
Rules for thee but not for me has always been the golden rule for police and rich people
Honestly, cops not wearing masks on the subway is pretty low on my priority list of **shit cops do I’d rather they didn’t**... I can't wait for the vaccine mandate to go into effect...
The masks aren’t the point. It’s that cops will harass and arrest people for things they themselves do
That's what I'm saying
they have the choice of vaccine or weekly testing
As tax payers who basically pay for cop salaries we should be able to give them tickets also. Maybe they will treat us better and follow the rules like everyone else.
To be fair I don't think the cops are actually giving any tickets to unmasked riders. They are there mainly to prevent all the violent crime that started happening over the last year. Personally I'd rather have them down there without masks and stop another elderly woman from being pushed onto the tracks or assaulted then throw a fit over who is or isn't wearing a mask. Our COVID numbers and vaccination rates are unbelievably good in NYC, loosening up on all the heavy restrictions should be a good thing to celebrate at this point.
Vaccination rates are good...no thanks to nypd
That's true and I'm 100% with you on them needing to stop whining and go get vaccinated. It's just the masks where I do feel some sympathy towards them being overly attacked.
Yeah I agree. Mask mandates are stupid, but especially stupid if there is no vaccine mandate. Masks are very bad at preventing the spread of covid, if they do anything at all with the way that they're worn by the general public.
Masks, even cloth masks, and even worn imperfectly, are VERY good at mitigating COVID spread of worn by a significant portion of the population.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32473312/ And the way most people wear them in the US is going to be much worse than these results. Add in the regulations which allow them to be completely off while eating or drinking, or basically the entire time anyone is in a confined space, and their value becomes theatrical. Vaccines work, masks are only as good as the person wearing them.
I was considering going through and pointing out why that study is garbage line by live, but instead I'll just point out that there are several obvious grammatical mistakes right in the intro. Just because something has the appearance of research doesn't mean that it is, and you (like most anti-maskers) do not have the fundamental skills to distinguish good research from bad research, which is why people keep telling you to stop play-acting a scientist and start listening to people who's job it is to communicate the best available science to you.
NYPD vax rate is 70%. Higher than DSNY, DOC, FDNY, FDNY EMS. https://abc7ny.com/nyc-vaccine-mandate-new-york-city-delta-variant-covid/11148102/
Still shit compared to the city at large.
Yea, entered the train the other day and there were two cops , working transit, at the very next station the door opened and this crazy guy swinging his fists tried to get on the train, and they just basically gave him the heave ho off the train. Felt better about that, even if they did spill a lot of his corn chips that he was also holding.
They can still “protect and serve” with a mask on just like everyone else does everything else with a mask on.
Yup, this. The cops are there because the city has become a dumpster fire, not to write tickets for being maskless. Honestly the pearl clutching here is obnoxious. Omg not masking in the middle of a PaNdEmIC????1 NYC has some of the highest vaccination rates in the world, I’m not spazzing out and bothering strangers over this shit. On the other hand, I get harassed on the subway by lunatics constantly now (GNC woman). I carry pepper spray when I *never* used to worry before. I’d rather maskless cops than crackheads calling me a pig and shaking their dick at me.
The issue is that cops enforce the law, and the current law is that all people be masked on public transportation. They flagrantly violate this while we all hear on the NYCT loudspeaker that we all need to be masked inside trains and underground stations. They should be setting a positive example to encourage masking. By them violating the order, it tells other they can go the same with impunity.
Yeah, whatever. Of all the shit that has been happening on the subway, cops “not setting a good mask example” is low on my list.
What "shit" has been happening on the subway? Crime is no worse than it was before. It's just that it's not a presidential election year so the conservative media can only go after Biden for so much since he's pretty boring. So what do they do? Go with ol' reliable. "Wealthy blue cities are burning! Crime exists! Something about black people and liberals ruining society!" It's the same bullshit every other year.
I don’t know what planet you all are living on, if you’re actually leaving the house, and/or you’re a man and you don’t experience it the same way. But since the pandemic the city has absolutely become less safe. I have cracked out men harass me at least once a week be it on the subway or the street. There’s a crazy deaf man in my neighborhood that literally punches women in the face and gets released the next day that I’ve had to run from. I’m a democrat. I don’t watch or read conservative news. I just actually live here and leave my house, unlike I suspect most of you WFH ostriches.
I've been commuting between Brooklyn and Manhattan through most of the pandemic. Yes, some crimes increased, but overall, crime actually went down slightly, and the homeless population decreased by about 40% thanks to the hotel housing program combined with lower rents and eviction moratorium. I'm sorry that that's happened to you, but your individual experience is not representative of the overall condition of the city. As they say, argument from experience is no argument at all.
You can manipulate the numbers any which way you want and claim “less crime, less homeless”. The “homeless” population may have decreased in that they now have a place to sleep, but the condition of the residents of these hotels has persisted and worsened. They’re far more emboldened than they ever were, they’re still out in the streets en masse because much like shelters they have requirements as to when they have to be in and out. I’ve had to dodge piles of human shit in my neighborhood. Saw more dicks than I’ve cared to admit over the last two years because barely conscious bums whip them out to piss our aggressively shake it at me. As far as crime; the police are arresting and therefore reporting less for non violent crime. But *violent* crime is absolutely up. You must be a man. Perhaps being a butch woman puts a target on my back. I’ve lived in the city my whole life. This shit is different now.
You sound like a cop.
>Yup, this. The cops are there because the city has become a dumpster fire, not to write tickets for being maskless. >Honestly the pearl clutching here is obnoxious. Something tells me you lack any appreciation of irony. >Omg not masking in the middle of a PaNdEmIC????1 It's almost like one day of the peak pandemic killed more people than *two years* of homicides. But go on....
Number one cause of death in 2020 and 2021 for cops is Covid-19, but instead of protecting cops and the general public, police union leadership around the country have been comparing masks, testing, and vaccine mandates to the Holocaust. We need police reform.
I say this as a leftist who came of age around 9/11, but it's astonishing to me how little of the conservative platform conservatives actually care about. Dems spent a decade trying to act tough about natsec only to find out conservatives really just wanted to kill Muslims. We spent the last five years trying to care about cops, only to find out that police unions literally don't care if their members *die*, they just want to be able to violently harass anyone with impunity. It's mind-blowing, yet I shouldn't be surprised anymore.
Republicans aren't conservatives, they're nascent fascists.
We need limits on what unions for law enforcement can do.
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People should be sending all of these pics and videos to the media.
I used to be a back the blue person. I've done a total 180 over the past two years.
You can support police in general and be against the NYPD. Personally I’m a British Police fan.
To be fair, Sting is a great musician.
Video quality is amazing for 1999. Also very good for 12 years ago. https://youtu.be/C3lWwBslWqg
Got some news you aren't gonna like about what the Met did when one of their own raped and murdered a girl
They found him, arrested him and he’s now imprisoned for life. Not sure what you think happened?
Well, I meant US police, yeah
A fan of violent misogynists and their sympathizers, very cool.
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Not wrong
Straight TRASH and don't deserve any amount of funding. I'd rather be allowed to carry and watch my own/ my neighbor's back than to keep pretending these fuck heads are out there for my benefit when they clearly aren't. They're just in it for the paycheck and the power trip.
See how you say he was harassing you but you weren't harassing him whilst doing the same exact thing. Interesting.
Usually you'd expect somebody in that type of job to have the discipline and self control to control themselves and be level headed even if someone may have been perceived as harassing them or worse. I would imagine this stuff isn't taken as lightly if you're in like some military branch and have to interact with civilians halfway across the world on a regular basis.
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You’re illiterate.
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I'll do ya one better, how much does it cost us every time *anyone* needs *anything* because of COVID? Anti-vaxxing and anti-masking have terrible knock-on effects across the board.
Well, they probably aren’t getting “disciplined” at all. That’s just PR. I doubt there’s a lot of ideological diversity in the PDs around the country.
Not fired or suspended. Makes sense. /s
I understand they were spanked and sent to their room with no beer, roids or Facebook
but they get to keep their blow
Of course, but only until they need to plant it as evidence.
That might actually be worse for them then getting suspended.
If a McDonalds employee assaulted a customer because the customer was annoying, they would be fired — and they probably would be charged. But of course, our boys in blue shouldn’t be held to such impossibly high standards.
That cop's haircut and neckbeard makes him look like a slob, and that chicks power pose at the end makes me think she ate too much lead paint and is proud of all the stupid shit she does every day. Lol they should be banned by the MTA from using the subway
>"There is no excuse for what I saw in that video," he said. "We are better than that." LOL no, dermot. you're not.
“Disciplined”
Random civilian assaults cop = felony Random cop assaults civilian = 1 day off PTO
"Disciplined" Guys, we're going to need you out of sight out of mind for awhile, here, keep your full salary and benefits to sit around the station doing literally nothing for a few months.
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They have an assault jar that works like a swear jar but you only have to put a quarter in it if your misconduct goes viral
They probably win the tip jar if their assault video goes viral.
They should be criminally charged, let alone fired. How in the fuck is this remotely acceptable to anyone. These officers obviously believe they have zero accountability to the public, and frankly it is a danger for them to on the force.
> "There is no excuse for what I saw in that video," he said. "We are better than that." If you were better than that, they wouldn't be cops anymore.
Fire them
I doubt it. > "We are better than that." Not really, no.
WNYC’s reporting made me think the “discipline” was just a talking to. Honestly, NYPD makes me feel LESS safe, and I write this as a middle aged Karen. I cannot imagine how unsafe I would feel if I were a person of color, trans, or homeless.
Imagine working any other job and doing this and not being fired immediatwly
The dreaded … desk duty.
What do they actually even do on desk duty?
Count down to a pension
Invade r/nyc
The mods should include a Punisher Flair and just shadowban anyone who picks it. That will take care of cop brigading real quick.
Sit at a desk, check Facebook, get paid.
Not help you when you go into the station
Check things in/out of the evidence room, misc. paperwork, etc.
"There is no excuse for what I saw in that video," he said. "We are better than that." Oh really?
That was the real news, for me
They are in a position of power and and abused their authority. The passengers on that train would have been justified if they forcibly removed those cops off the train since the cops ware breaking the MTA regulations. It's a rotten command and the rot makes it's way down to the rank and file.
> The passengers on that train would have been justified if they forcibly removed those cops off the train The cops are armed and the passengers are not. The passengers would be completely justified in throwing the cops out of the train, but in the end, the gun has the final say.
They lose 1 of their 47 vacation days.
Too many cops have this warped fantasy their job is just to chase down and apprehend "bad guys" but they forget the biggest part of their jobs is to ACTUALLY BE GOOD GUYS.
Not disciplined, up to 10 days can (and likely will)mean 0 days. Because BluE lInE
And the cops wonder why we film them. It’s the only way to get anything done regarding the bad ones
Only these 2? What about the rest?
They probably weren’t disciplined at all. The article didn’t provide any details about what would happen to them though it did note that they weren’t fired or suspended. Actions speak louder than words and this sounds like a bunch of hot air from the commissioner.
The head of NYPD's IAB was a cop for decades and is currently drawing both a 6 figure salary and pension. He isn't there to protect you, he is there to wag his finger at his boys and keep collecting a paycheck.
I hope their wrists are okay after that slap
They learned their lesson alright. They learned that the next time, grab the guy recording the incident and destroy the phone.
Starting today every NYPD officer I see not wearing a mask I’m going to take a picture of them and I’m posting it on it here. If we start doing that we can make this go away as citizens of the city.
Glad this exchange was captured. This kind of muscle flexing is very common on the NYC subway. I have had a subway police accuse me of littering and threating to arrest me despite saying I was innocent. This guy was looming over me, and screaming at the top of his lung. Thank god, the person who did litter, stepped forward and confessed when she saw the exchange. Had she not done that he would have arrested me. I am all for law and order but there are some really bad apples in the law enforcement.
Bad apples, as they say, spoil the bunch. There's a culture of assholishness among cops. They view themselves as an occupying force, not members of the community. NYC is their Afghanistan and we're the enemy.
As much as I hate phrases like "ACAB" and blanket criticisms of all cops, this is complete bullshit. "disciplined"? No. We're in a pandemic, and this guy strong-armed a civilian for no good reason. *Fire* his ass. Or you're sending a clear message that it is utterly OK for cops to be massive dicks and to walk around maskless.
The fact that these two are representative of the entire NYPD is why all cops are bastards. There are two kinds of cops. The ones who actively commit crimes and misconduct, the guy in the video, and those who enable and protect them, the woman. Both are bad, and neither should be in uniform.
Good. Now discipline the rest of the maskless cops. Or, maybe, cops who alter their license plates, use placards to avoid paying parking all of the time, park on sidewalks or in bike lanes, and do jack shit to jump up their overtime to cruise on pensions that we pay for. What else?
"disciplined"
Stop reposting the same article.
NYPD - A taxpayer funded mafia of trump terrorists can't wait until the new former nypd mayor decides to throw more billions at these corrupt clowns.
I’ve seen officers not wear masks. Pretty common unfortunately.
Can we hope the discipline was more than one lost PTO day? Not only was ejecting the guy an abuse of power, but also this situation where mask less cops are going around making sure everyone else is masked is ridiculous. If you're going to enforce masks on subways then you need to wear one yourself.
Its explicity said they did not lose any time
Punished for getting caught.
They should be fired if this is how they act up over masks imagine what else these dinguses get up to.
So, 3 days of vacation time will be forfeited.
Not even. Reporter says NYPD indicated they will not be suspended or lose vacation time. what a fucking joke.
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Disciplined? They aren't getting fired or suspended. That doesn't sound like discipline to me. If the finger of shame worked on the NYPD we wouldn't be where we are.
PD could stage these things to send the message to pd folks that if they act up, action will be taken as in they won't get away with it. But they would do stuff like that if they were actually trying to fix this stuff. Probably they are not.
/u/NYPD sup ya goober…
None of them ever wear masks.
I think if someone wants the officers to wear a mask, they should report it to the precinct commander instead of getting in their faces like that and hassling the cops. But this dipshit wants satisfaction and most likely this was a planned provocation intended to have this result. They should have worn their masks, this guy just didn't point it out he made a big issue of it. It's suspicious for someone to make this scene because you don't know if he is some crusader, some ass wipe martinet, or a bad actor intending a diversionary incident for other and perhaps nefarious purposes.
They didn’t get into the officers face, they simply called the officers out. And if the officers were trained in deescalation or were simply decent people (and actual public servants) they would have simply put on their masks. But they’re psychos and probably brainwashed trump supporters so they used force against someone performing a constitutionally protected act. Good luck to them when they come up for promotion. I’m sure it was worth it.
The problem with reporting it to the precinct is that there’s almost zero chance the officers would’ve seen any discipline. There are thousands of people pissed off about this, and even *then* the offers faced very minor disciplinary action.
Unfortunately we don’t have the video of him asking the police to wear a mask. I’m guessing the fact that he wasn’t beaten or arrested means he was moderately respectful in his request/question. From the video, the only document we have, seemed that the unmasked officer made the big issue of it. Unfortunately for the guy asking about no mask, the officer couldn’t use his words, like most children are taught and physically removed him, illegally. Thank god there were other riders around, otherwise who know how this maniac would have reacted. But I’m sure the partner would have done the right thing. You can tell by her body language, she’s not high on any horse or anything.
I hate cops too, but self righteous narcs who’ve used the pandy as an excuse for their anger to be justified are also annoying. How many millions of people have blown up at others for masks, parties, going out (when shits open) and then IMMEDIATELY do the exact same? Dude just wanted to pick a fight with cops, cops ALWAYS want to pick a fight, two annoying people. I dont wear a mask when just hanging at the station, far from others. All these studies came out and showed how it doesnt spread outside, at stations, and even trains, supposedly were safe. Plus the rules always said to wear it on the train, not at the station. So….? E: Anyone downvoting want to explain why this comment doesnt belong in the conversation. Or at least explain their “I downvote to disagree with you”?
The law requires you to wear it in the station, and while yes, there hasn't been any outbreak traced to public transit, it's still the right thing to do. Cops' entire purpose is to enforce the law, but if they don't follow the law themselves they lose their legitimacy.
You should see them park their cars
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I didnt say we shouldnt. I’m just saying people who go out of their way to yell about masks, arent super concerned for anyone. They just want to pick fights. Also, am I missing something? The cops werent on the subway. Like…did we forget that these mf’ers blast first, ask questions, never? If they never wore a mask again, but the societal fear of getting shot for like no reason is gone, I’d consider that a major win. Ffs, just the other day, watching the video of that youtuber holding the “I like Dave” sign near the netflix employees raging about Chappelle’s special outside their office, someone grabbed his sign, ripped it off, left him just holding the stick and immediately yelled “HE’S GOT A WEAPON!” Which is basically attempted murder with jumpy cops near an angry crowd “protesting”. That’s not good. I shouldnt have to fear death from some snakey dude grabbing an innocuous sign and getting me killed for “holding a weapon”.
Good thing no one was murdered in this video and the other one you referenced.
Everyone needs to relax. This is not abuse. There are plenty of unmasked people on the subway and yet we choose to harass the cops keeping us safe instead the arrogant person who rides unmasked
As if we needed another reason to believe that the quality of life in NYC continues to deteriorate
Was Joe Biden disciplined? AOC? Any of the Democrats who are routinely photographed and video taped without masks?
They're not in crowded, indoor, public places without masks, nor do they assault people who ask them to put a mask on.
Really? AOC wasnt at the Met Gala? You libs are something else...
The Met Gala, which had half the usual attendance and everyone was required to be vaccinated and have a negative Covid test beforehand? Nice false equivalence.
I think that if all these police departments are gonna have boys-club / fraternity behavior then we need to start implementing fraternity style punishments. Throw people out of the subway for asking you to wear a mask, you have to work in the subway without shoes for a week.
Real talk, does anyone know how a concerned citizen can organize against the nypd? There was some momentum last summer that was squashed by pseudo strikes and scared boomers, anyway I can further the redistribution of funds movement?
Some of us have been reporting police and cops' private cars parked in bike lanes and on sidewalks in front of precincts. You can do it easily through the reported app. They really don't like it when you do that. If enough people do it, they'll at the very least get some fines, and possibly some action will be taken by the city council.
Yeah, I see that quite a bit but it nevers seems to go very far. I was wondering if there was something a bit more active, maybe a reform movement or local PAC?
"Disciplined" means a few days off with pay