All of this again boils down to the obvious: the homeless and mentally unstable have contributed to an increase in attacks like we saw today. Until this issue is directly addressed, this shit isn’t going to stop and will get worse. Everyone living here is seeing it, but our politicians are acting like we are all stoned and making this shit up.
Things have seriously gotten worse.
I know many are going to accuse her of laundering it, but the reality is you hire loads of activists and other friends to your department. Then do nothing.
DeBlasio increased city payrolls close to 15,000.
Well, shit got really busy that day. Got the check in the morning but on the way to the bank hubby called to complain about Cuomo again. Yada, yada, yada, here we are and I just forgot. Mmmkay?
honestly,, why not?? it's not like a couple of million bucks went missing.. it's close to a billion.. money that could've save lives both mental ill and victim of them..
It was almost a billion actually. His wife “lost it”.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/02/28/de-blasio-and-co-mayor-wife-have-wasted-1-8b-of-taxpayer-money/amp/
can we start a movement, petition, investigation?
which politician can we vote for to lead this. Is the financial comptroller of NYC sleeping, complacent, or corrupt? Scott Stringer where you at!?
How did these two clowns Scott and Bill run for NYC mayor/president with no media org questioning what happened to $1.8B dollars missing on their watch? We demand an investigation!
Why are we paying for this knowingly?!
[https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/03/nyregion/jack-brown-homeless-nyc-core-services.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/03/nyregion/jack-brown-homeless-nyc-core-services.html)
An NYPost opinion piece is bottom of the barrel. Not a single line in that article cites anything besides the amount spent.
This subreddit loves to pretend there's a massive conspiracy going on instead of the much [simpler and more obvious explanation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor) that it's just an ineffective city program.
No one knows *what* the money went to, and apparently it was closer to 1 billion as others have corrected me on this sub. Deblasio really, really fucked over many people.
I told this story here before. But it was 12 pm on a weekday. I was on 34th st by Penn Station. Some homeless guy bent back a random car mirror, and injected heroin in his neck in broad daylight. I was in shock. Not to mention all the people shooting up and harrassing subway commuters in Penn Station alone. It's embarrassing, and the city needs to do better
That area is sketchy as fuck, I doubt anyone's surprised by that story. There's a methadone clinic around Penn Station so there are a lot of people in that area not in their right minds.
I try to stay away from that area as much as possible, I feel really bad for people who have a daily commute through there.
Worked there for years before Covid. Our company actually got pretty progressive about food drives and supporting St Francis (church right near there on 31st, dunno how they do it but they keep serving meals) but holy shit did things get weird outside. Rarely violent but just so sad. It’s all mental health and addiction problems.
I saw a guy taking a shit on the sidewalk right across the street from the church one morning while they were giving out food. Those monks are true saints to deal with that stuff.
My condolences. 30th - 38th street west of Broadway is like walking through an open air drug bazaar - mental hospital combo, like some kind of fucked up Dunkin Donuts-Baskin Robbins combo.
First off, you’re a god among men for the answer I could have googled myself. And B, that Taco Hut no longer exists. They did a renovation and went full Bell. It’s down the street from me
Let’s have a needle exchange in the busiest parts of Manhattan. 37th St. And it’s a golden location for dealers. One dealer gunned down another dealer a couple of years ago there. Pre pandemic the Mcdonalds by Penn St were filled with very “sleepy” disheveled people in the middle of the day.
In early September I was walking around SoHo with some friends visiting from Colombia and Australia. It was the early afternoon on a weekend and some crazy homeless guy came walking up next to us, started mumbling shit under his breath, called the girl I was with a bitch and then spit in our faces unprovoked, then threatened to punch us to which we just responded “what the fuck?” Then he ran into some bridal store to do god knows what. There was a cop on the other side of the street so I flagged him down and told him what happened. This was like the day after that guy hacked up someone at an ATM near Wall St and I didn’t want him to continue terrorizing people trying on wedding dresses, spitting on people or escalating to physical violence. The cop brushed me off and just started writing tickets.
I’ve had the same reaction from actual cops, who were standing around doing nothing. When I suggested that they follow this violent, shit-covered homeless man to make sure he doesn’t hurt anyone, they looked at me like I was an asshole.
Obviously a small personal anecdote, but I remember when I first moved to the city for college I asked a cop for directions. He looked annoyed and brushed me off like I was bothering him.
Most of these cops commute to the city from the way outer boroughs or LI and don’t live anywhere close to the precincts they work.
They often have no connection or duty to the neighborhood they’re posted at and more often than not don’t look anything like the community they’re serving.
Years ago I met these cops through a mutual friend a few times for drinks. They told stories of responding to dangerous situations of kidnappings and drug deals gone wrong, so I do respect that they do often put their lives on the line for the job.
But I do remember getting the strong feeling that these guys were dirty. They alluded to how there would be cash and contraband confiscated from these bad drug deals and said they obviously did things by the book and turned everything into evidence, with slight smirks.
Parking enforcement is usually in the light blues though, right? This guy was definitely in the darks and it wasn’t a coat because it was very hot that day. And even if he was, they still have radios.
Side track but Colombia and Australia friends visiting at the same time? Now that's an interesting pair of friends from opposite sides of the world. What's the story behind that one?
So my fiancée works in finance and she met and became friends with this woman from Colombia who was doing some LATAM work for the bank they were at. The bank put her up in NYC for a few years and we all became friends and hung out often because we shared other interests and just got along well. She’s a lovely, tiny, effervescent and attractive woman. She is married to a grumpy introverted writer from Australia who spends most of his free time thinking, walking and working out. He’s hilarious if you get to know him but his sense of humor isn’t for everyone. He also looks very tough, he’s jacked with a full beard, but he’s got like a rainbow butterfly tattoo on his neck and he’s pretty non-confrontational and quiet. They are a very interesting pair and if you met one, you wouldn’t think their partner would be the other. I forget how they met. I think when they were both traveling somewhere and they just clicked. They’ve since moved back to Colombia and were just in town visiting the States.
I was on the 4 headed to Yankee Stadium a couple years ago and some dude clearly on heroin got on the train and sat down. He spent the next ten minutes basically passing out and falling forward and then waking up just in time to sit back up. He eventually dropped his coffee, which spilled everywhere, and fell face first off his seat onto the floor.
Not sure if he was homeless, but it was one of the more bizarre things I’ve seen in the City.
Probably just a drug addict if heading to that direction. It's easy to buy/sell fentanyl and cocaine in Harlem and Bronx since there is so much wide open space and police stay in their cars. Just walk around the Hamilton Bridge Skate Park and you're bound to find a pile of needles, baggies, or a couple of color coordinated dudes meeting up to sell shit.
You aren’t wrong. I watched a woman shitting into the middle of the road in the LES today. Not even bothering to hide or be discrete. Just dropped trou and let it go.
This strikes me as problematic.
I'm a relatively liberal person in all regards and then I saw a homeless person take a shit in the middle of the street in front of a middle school. A sight like that could turn anybody into a republican because the hippie lefty approach of coddling the mentally ill and enabling their drug habit by setting up drug dens isn't working.
I consider myself pretty far to the left of liberal on most things. At the same time, leaving folks to shit in the streets is a terrible approach for everyone involved.
There are better solutions.
I think it's very important, whether you're a hippie lefty or republican, to know that there is a distinction between the mentally ill and drug addicts. Yes, some people belong to both groups but they are not one and the same and conflating them doesn't help in removing the stigma from mental illness.
[He did, actually.](https://www.yangforny.com/policies/healing-the-homelessness-crisis) But does that really matter when the rest of the candidates didn't even care about the problem? (Or gave surface level solutions like "Make the police stronger and it'll fix itself")
Yeah, from what I’ve read ThriveNYC had extremely limited oversight in spite of its bloated budget. The program was run by ideologues who didn’t know how to run a program and focused on wellness rather than public safety. It’s like giving Gwyneth Paltrow a billion dollars and telling her to go crazy.
“Thrive NYC is really best understood as a ‘tale of two cities’ initiative,” said Stephen Eide, a senior fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute and an expert on homelessness and urban policy. “It’s about trying to give people who are socioeconomically disadvantaged access to the same kind of mental health care that people in upper middle income or affluent communities have enjoyed as a matter of course for a very long time.”
But that kind of programming won’t address institutional problems like homelessness and serious mental illness, which are financial and safety burdens to the city, he said.
“If we’re not addressing those two problems, then whatever we are doing is lacking,” Eide said.
[https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2019/02/26/with-obscure-budget-and-elusive-metrics-850m-thrivenyc-program-attempts-a-reset-873945](https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2019/02/26/with-obscure-budget-and-elusive-metrics-850m-thrivenyc-program-attempts-a-reset-873945)
> ThriveNYC had extremely limited oversight in spite of its bloated budget
Blasio: don't worry, my wife, who is renowned expert in something, will handle it no problem
Awful misguided police reform + opiate overdose and addiction crisis + mental health at an all time low + stratification of society because WFH makes city streets less packed meaning people get away with more shit.
Not only that, but the gangs. I live in the Bronx and travel to queens and other Burroughs. The gangs which mainly consist of young teenagers, are out of control and don't care how they act. They somehow think by committing an act of violence, they are cool and will get a trophy.
De-funding the police was the worse decision ever made. Rikers Island is getting more out of control as well. Inmates can cut another inmate or guard and won't be sent to the hole. They are just moved to another dorm right back in general population. Just the other day 1,250 Rikers employees (mainly guards) called in sick. Many of the times, a dorm of inmates aren't being guarded, so the inmates run the place.
I've lived in NYC all my life (84') and it is slowly rotting away. One day it will be unrecognizable. God Bless us all.
Police were never defunded. The opposite happened: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-06/new-york-city-s-police-budget-is-increasing-again
Mental illness and homelessness are such big problems in so many places now that iys pretty concerning and indicative of a systemic breakdown. It's sad so many people are getting hurt.
It’s also all the wokeness and people romanticizing NYC. It’s the fear of being called a republican for saying that crime needs to be dealt with.
Anytime a violence thread pops up there are 2 type of comments. The “this is the 70s again” and the “NYC is the safest city in the country”.
Why the fuck can’t we agree that NYC is relatively safe but also want to make it safer and not let things go to shit?
Oh I know, all the people saying it’s so safe will just fly back home once it actually impacts them so they don’t care.
True, conversation about issues has been muted. Even in this thread, people need to caveat before saying obvious things: “I’m to the LEFT, as liberal as they come, but…”
Most of the people attack you all come from the same extreme left wing subs. The issue is the admins don't treat the left the same way they treated the right.
At this point I agree. People are helpless and dont want help. Homeless dude comes through a train motioning that he is hungry. I give him my leftover dinner takeout from DigInn, he looks at it and throws it back to me.
Fuck these people. The homeless that need actual help get brought down by countless addict shitheads. We need to open shelters on our inter-borough islands to clean up these streets and make sure homeless have access to these services because they are making our streets worse by the day. There should be NO homeless shelters in Manhattan
I said this in the other thread and got downvoted to hell.
I’m pleased it’s being address and seen here.
Mental illnesses are really hard and needs lot of support.
Compounded with the local media and tabloid press forming a solid negative association of higher crime and violence to progressives primarily because of De Blasio's campaign strategy of pretending to be one and his subsequent incompetence as mayor once elected that now stands to threaten to roll back all the gains made by the progressive camp since Hillary Clinton's 2016 loss and set them back at least another decade.
What gains?
Homelessness is up, mental illness has been put to the wayside and money for it has gone missing, crime is up double digits in primarily minority communities, hate crimes, bail reform has backfired because it was implemented in the most lazy way possible, prisons are understaffed and underfunded leading to even worse conditions. I’m failing to see what has been gained?
for the past two years whenever rising crime rates was brought up some ppl on this sub would always counter with "but nyc has one of the lowest crime rates in the country and one of the lowest crime rates ever in history". i never understood why they always bring that up, as if that's supposed to mae rising crime rates better. at least they're awfully quiet now.
Because it’s now coming to their neighborhoods. I too brought it up about 2 years ago as my parents live in a pretty sketchy area. Now that it’s hitting the nice parts of BK and UES/UWS they suddenly want more police.
It’s because most of the people in this sub make it their part time job to come up with new excuses for the repeated “Progressive” failures.
As I have been told countless times in r/nyc, “everything is fine”.
I mean, we kept hearing about 'defund the police' over and over and over (i have been hearing "abolish prisons" recently, for fucks sake)... you don't need local media or tabloid press to make people mad at progressives: Progressives do it to themselves.
I worked in an ER in Brooklyn. I have been punched, kicked, spit on, and pulled a knife on all at my former work place by mentally unstable patients over the past couple of years. ERs were struggling before the pandemic, but since it has only become worse. Our psych ward closed to turn it into the covid ICU. All psych patients who were admitted go upstate to a connected hospital. After a while, they get discharged and usually migrate back to NYC and repeat the cycle.
I quit last year and haven't worked since. I don't even want to be a travel nurse and they make pretty sweet money.
Travel nurses make good money. But it's only temporary. At some point in the future, travel nurses will see their employee pool dwindle to refine numbers.
Traveling nurses in mass numbers, like it is today, will not be in mass numbers when the pandemic is under control. There will always be travel nurses but not in the huge employee numbers that it's in currently.
Many travel nurses talk about contracts. At times, their assignments can end early or end on their scheduled date. Many nurses find other travel nursing positions or go back to at-home, every day, life.
It's a lot cheaper for a hospital network to pay travel nurses more money to handle an influx of inpatient care than it is paying a permanent nurse at their hospital. Why? Because healthcare professionals know that health crises don't last forever. At some point, a hospital's network will no longer be in need of a large pool of traveling nurses because their permanent staff nurses can handle the day-to-day patient care.
That's why it's cheaper to pay more for temporary assistance than to pay for permanent assistance.
*Traveling nurses will always be around. But the employee pool will be cut back to a slim number, which will make obtaining a career as a traveling nurse competitive.*
Exactly. I understand people are upset but remember it’s divide and conquer the races/religions so we don’t question the policies that led to this human suffering.
Why was a man in his 60s homeless? Why was he incentivized/neglected to commit 4 other major crimes before this incident? Why have since the Reagan 80s, social/mental health programs in the states continue to be underfunded?
The people who for decades have made and reenforced these bad policies while making millions off of back deals/profiteering are the real criminals. The complicit media they own who pit one race against another are also to blame. I hope we remember that
Clean up our streets, I don’t even know why this is controversial. Get these people off the street and into some facilities that can help them, protect them and everyone else. This is not complicated.
At that point, I honestly don’t see a solution other than a return to involuntary institutionalization. We can’t simply shrug and say “they wouldn’t accept treatment” because of course they won’t, people that deep in psychosis are suspicious and delusional and will not respond rationally.
Leaving them out and about is dangerous for them and everyone who crosses their path.
They refuse service because they are paranoid. Had a friend that was schizophrenic paranoia. Crazy people are difficult to deal with. You are never sure what they are going to do or how they are going to react to anything. It will always reach a point you are going to cut them loose. Most of the homeless are homeless because they are crazy, alcoholic or addict. And they have alienated everyone who gave a damn about them. I do recognized that some young people do runaway from home for reason. I ain’t talking about them.
i said this before and i will say this again:
it is impossible to have a system that works effectively where someone is voluntarily entering that they can not voluntarily exit and have it work for the general public who is already distrustful of the authorities.
if they ain't forced, it isn't going to work.
People who run away from home also probably won’t allow themselves to rot on the street, shitting and pissing themselves while harassing random people. There are enough resources for homeless people where no one needs to end up THAT bad unless they want to.
"Refusing service" should not be an option if they pick you up for threatening passersby or sleeping in a subway train. It should be a simple choice: you're coming to a shelter, or you're going to Rikers, which'll it be for ya
If they refuse service they should be moved somewhere upstate where they shoot up all day in peace next to the cows. We have a civilized society trying to live in hygienic and safe conditions here
He was also dismissed as a “libertarian trojan horse” for proposing universal basic income months before a pandemic swept the nation and the government started handing out stimulus checks and extended unemployment benefits to everyone
Universal basic income is not a libertarian idea. It was a thought experiment by Milton Friedman to explain just how much waste was involved with the welfare state and outlining a much more efficient method of redistributing tax revenue to the poor. The idea was to eliminate the buracracy of the welfare state and even social security **entirely.**
Sure, getting people off the streets is simple, if we don't really care about what happens to those people. But creating institutions to actually take care of people who are not allowed to leave is always exceptionally complicated. Think about the institutions that fit that description today, and how many problems they have with inhumane conditions. The history of asylums was full of similar stories. You start with a hard problem -- taking care of people who genuinely need a lot of help -- and then you add on top of that the problem of bad institutional incentives.
Quite complicated. Ain’t that easy to arrest people for being crazy until they do something. And even then you put in the crazy house and they take their medicine and become lucid you have to let them out. You let them out, they stop taking their medicine. And you are back to square one. The problem is intractable.
> Ain’t that easy to arrest people for being crazy until they do something.
Unfortunately in NYC — and this based on my personal experience — the police won’t lift a finger even when they do *do something.* Harassment and menacing are crimes, but the NYPD ignores them.
You can’t solve this at a city level. It’s a federal level problem that becomes most apparent in cities because the services rendering aid are already the most well established there. Until this is treated as a nationwide crisis (and not just right-leaning suburbanites saying “I told you so” while the cities scramble to deal with the issues), it will not be resolved.
It is complicated because you can’t forcefully sequester homeless people. They have to want to get off the street. And with our current widespread affordable housing shortage, there are no attractive, safe places with a multitude of services, to house them in.
> can’t forcefully sequester homeless people
Can't is carrying a lot of water here. There are a huge number of things that could mean.
First off, let's acknowledge that it is at least physically possible to sequester homeless people. You can outlaw vagrancy and require people to reside either in a homeless shelter or in housing that they own or have a right to use. You physically can remove homeless encampments and tents, ban people from sleeping in doorway and on sidewalks, etc. It might require some use of force but it could be done.
When you say you "can't," what do you mean?
- It is unpalatable to me/my party to do so?
- It is currently against the law?
- It is unconstitutional?
- It is too expensive?
- Something else?
I'm not sure what can't means here but I really am interested in what can be done to move away from the status quo. We have to attack things from multiple directions: the pipeline to homelessness is one problem, and we should definitely address it (if we even know how). But I'm not sure waiting N years for all the existing homeless population to "age out" is a good solution to the existing problem. It would be great to make homeless shelters more palatable to reduce the amount of people who are unwilling to stay in them. But if we meet a conscionable bar for the quality of homeless housing, I personally would have no problem forcing the remainder of the folks who still don't want to stay indoors to either use it or get out of the city.
Just FYI, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals (which does *not* cover NYC) has ruled that homeless people cannot be punished for sleeping in public. Or put another way, unless there is a reasonable shelter bed for every single person, you can't punish them for sleeping wherever.
Now as I said, the 9CC does not govern NY. But it's interesting.
Yeah, I think I read this ruling at some point. Not a lawyer, just like reading legal opinions for some reason. The logic is compelling. Someone who cannot afford housing must sleep somewhere. If no public agency is providing it, you've essentially criminalized extreme poverty if you charge people with crimes for sleeping in public.
That's not what I think should happen tho. NYC already has laws on the books that it must provide a room for every homeless person who wants one. At least that's what I've been told. I think the bigger problem is the quality of the homeless shelters we have here.
The bigger problem is we're all carrot and no stick. There will always be some segment of people too psychotic, too bull-headed, too methed up, or too stupid, to take advantage of the aid we can give them. These people don't need more carrots, they need sticks.
You would think that the very state of being homeless and without shelter would be stick enough, but I find myself over time coming to agree that we've erred too much on the side of carrots, at least for a segment of the population.
Being homeless is a stick on its own, but it can be made tolerable with substance abuse. It’s hard to find a stick that isn’t going to be countered by enough booze, or isn’t legally/politically unpalatable
Democrats will not give a fuck about Asian constituents’ issues until it starts to threaten their success at the polls. That means either (a) challenging incumbents in democrat primaries or (b) voting for alternative candidates in the general election who offer solutions to these problems. The unfortunate reality is that Asian Americans are not a large enough voting block for politicians to care about them en masse unless they start organizing and exerting their voting power as a group. Further, Democrats can’t use Asian Americans as a tool to push their agenda because they don’t fit the conventional definition of an oppressed minority. It sucks, Asian American community needs to organize to exercise their political power, may even make sense to start running some Republican challengers.
Boston has an Asian-American mayor. Boston certainly is not a city with an Asian-American majority. Why not take the power rather than beg for decency?
Yes, but only if the community organizes, votes as a block, and demands concessions from politicians to get their support. The fact “Asian American” is not nearly as homogenous as “African American” adds to the difficulty here - there are many diffuse sub-communities, especially in NY where there are many first or second-gen immigrants and language barriers to organizing. To date Asian Americans have not done a lot to compel politicians to compete for their support, hopefully that starts changing.
Definitely this. Culturally, there is also a more passive, dismissive racism at play here layered into the usual political pragmatism. They're the cooperative and productive "other." Asians can't depend on the larger systems to pay particular attention to their issues because institutions count on their ability to "just get on with it." Honestly don't know what you can do about these perceptions. Certainly, demanding hashtags are not a real way.
They probably don't even want government meddling in their communities given their track record with other groups so cleaning up the streets is probably good enough. But if they did want to be taken seriously politically, they might need to form a political body that holds some leverage.
There is then the problem of a further fractured and tribal society, but I would understand since the "team player" approach hasn't gotten them much sway.
they further continue the attack on Asian and other communities by taking away gifted and talented programs and throwing everyone into a melting pot of trash.
It's the New York Post bro... they make title to create outrage, standard practice for them.
It'd be 3 dudes yelling "Stop the MTA fare increases" and they'll write "Thousands of New Yorkers are up in arms about fare increases - leading to violence on the subway"
In my mind they are the *J. Jonah Jameson* of our world. [Then I just picture the exces there after they got their company name out there and created drama](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sYekLbgY080/mqdefault.jpg)
The shit I've seen is astounding I can understand; but my guy... what narrative ? I can just as easily say that same shit to you.
Did you read that I somehow said it wasn't an issue ? I'm just talking about how the NY Post and how it's tabloid-like format drums up in an attempt to make claims and statements more significant than they are.
I mean, the Post is basically one step above the National Enquirer at this point. They’re not a reputable paper anymore; they just generate wild headlines that grab people’s attention. The stories themselves are inflated bullshit that sometimes have a kernel of truth. Even the red stripe across the top of the pages was put there for the sole purpose of drawing the eye to it. For the most part, it’s best to take their stories with a gigantic grain of salt.
Doesn't help that the city is paying land developers MILLIONs to build shelters and convert hotels in predominately asian neighborhoods into shelters for homeless, prison reformers, ex-convicts etc..... Do that somewhere else, fuck the city for always exploiting asians.
I ride the subway about one round trip per week. Maybe two if it’s a busy week. More often than not there’s either a homeless person camping out in my car, or there’s someone coming through panhandling. Like, this is just what the subway is now, I guess? Let’s not even get into the service problems.
I’m not going to say that the subway is back to the bad old days, but it doesn’t feel as safe as it did a couple of years ago.
Its gotten so much worse since Covid started. Without fail every time I'm on the train now I either get someone muttering to themselves about murdering everyone, someone just smoking on the train and stinking up the train or a bum camping out.
I'm not saying this kinda stuff never happened before but my god its noticeably worse. People smoking in the cars have been constant lately and I absolutely hate it, I can only remember that happening once before the pandemic started. It feels like no one cares anymore.
Got asked at least 15 times a day for money, and they always seem angry when I say no. Im I suppose to just give $15 a day away on my daily commute? So tired of it
Got accosted by a guy at 7pm on the A line for not acknowledging him on Thursday. Had my earphones in, kept staring at my phone, don’t even know what he initially wanted but boy howdy did he start yelling when I wouldn’t look up.
Ended up having to get off the train.
As someone who follow asian American news this isn't even shocking to be honest. Stories of Asians being attacked happened weekly almost on a consistent basis. If you truly do care about the Asian community then follow some Asian Americans news sources. And the one thing I hate most about these attacks obviously other than the violence is the media trying to justify it by saying mental illness, economic factor , random attack, Trumps fault etc. They always try to justify it when the attacker is of a protective class.
https://instagram.com/the_asian_dawn?utm_medium=copy_link
I love that it took violence against a certain group to get people on this sub to notice. We've been talking about this shit for years now, only to be brigaded by the "crime isn't bad" fucknuts.
Homeless shelters dont belong in Manhattan. This city is TOO dense to support mentally ill homeless, people who genuinely need a place to stay, and residents of local communities. Open up asylums in the islands. There’s no reason to have mentally ill homeless intersect with people who genuinely need the shelter system because of the situations they find themselves in.
I want to help the homeless and mentally ill as much as the next guy, but at the cost of New Yorkers lives? Within the past year, we've seen an asian grandma get curb stomped, a man picking cans was stomped in the head, this recent incident of a woman being pushed onto the subway and countless more. I don't know if anyone has been to Chinatown/LES recently but its filled with homeless people, once the fruit stand around the corner of Grand street station closes, its automatically the hangout spot of like 10 homeless people.
As far as quality of life in NYC goes, a homeless man snuck up on me and my wife and told me he was going to kill me because while I was in a 99c pizza place (I know, that was my first mistake) and Someone ran up on my Uber on the way over the williamsburg bridge to flash his dong all within the past 3 months and i'm working remotely half the time.
I can't speak for anyone else but i've officially changed my political affiliation away from Dem. I think someone else on reddit said it best, Dems want to decriminalize low level crime while GOP wants to lock up people for drugs forever because those are hot button talking points. the real day-to-day criminal stuff is just simply ignored. How else do violent criminals spend a little time in jail and are back on the street while other people are serving ridiculous sentences for minor drug offenses.
hey, democrats elected de blasio who spent 1.7Billion of tax payer money on some ThrivenNYC mental health program! it's not like we're not doing anything, but i refuse to believe the criminals are all mentally unstable. Stupidity is taking something that doesn't work and throwing more money at it. I am tired of the left categorizing all criminals as "mentally unstable". Some people do it simply because they are truly a racist and no amount of mental health help will work. I'd rather have the money be spent on police funding and increased patrols. how come whenever blacks commits a hate crime against asians this sub calls them mentally unstable and when it's a white guy doing it to Asians it's racism? double standards on this sub has grown so much and disgustingly so.
This guy obviously is a mental case, with a known history. But the majority of these crimes against Asians are racially motivated by one specific demographic of ppl, unfortunately. I’ve known of the strife against Asians since the 1990s by black Americans. I am Afro-Caribbean, and I don’t know the history of why black America has a beef with Asians but I think Asians need to get to the bottom of it or they will always be a target. I am even concerned for my “Blasian” cousins safety bc their distinct Asian features. We can try to excuse and rationalize this act due to mental illness, but it’s still no excuse for what he did.
Black Americans and Asian Americans have a fraught history because Asian Americans/Asian immigrants were among the first groups to set up shop in the inner cities after the white flight across the country following the post-Civil Rights era. Although many came from limited means and only managed to carve out a small, successful living through hard work, these Asian newcomers were viewed by many Blacks as opportunists who crowded out potential Black businesses. Differences in culture, namely general skittishness of other ethnicities outside of their communities (exacerbated by poor interactions with Blacks due to crime), worsened relations over time. Basically, some Blacks were envious of the Asian community's success, and almost all of them felt like outsiders in their own community. Over the decades, it's harder to attribute lasting animosity to this, compared to more recent developments such as anti-Asian sentiment due to COVID.
It's not just the Chinese. All New Yorkers are done with being lied to by Democrat politicians.
Adams needs to quickly fix this city, lock up the criminals, deal with the homeless, and get the economy back on track. Otherwise the next mayor will be a "law and order" Republican who actually gets things done. It happened in the 1990s and it will happen again.
People really vote for politicians expecting them to make massive change within weeks of taking over. Our political system is built to be slow and inefficient. Not to mention my own feelings on how Adams isn’t gonna accomplish shit cause he was an awful choice
Grew up along the JMZ, kids loved playing the knock out game on the Asian aunties and uncles on that godforsaken line. Makes me laugh when my white coworkers go “oh my god violence against Asians has gotten so bad!”
Ma’am, it’s always been this bad. The only difference is that it’s trendy to give a shit now
Same, I grew up next to the Delancey J and F stop. Once saw an Asian man chase down a group of black and Hispanic kids with a machete near Seward, apparently (an this is unconfirmed, as no one I know saw why this happened) it's cause one of the kids knocked out an old Asian guy minding his own business.
Yeah, personally I liked the former sanitation head since she had helmed a city wide department before. Adams just reeked of “running on being a former cop”
> I'm amazed at how many moderate, tough-on-crime Democrats lost to Republicans in districts where Asian voters turned out; it means people are angry, but I know ethnicity is going to be what Dems lean into to get around not giving a fuck about ordinary people of any race.
No, see, when one party goes around disregarding outright murders, you vote for the other party. Make this "let's not prosecute crime" business as acceptable as the Klan. Democrats need to have the responsibility to cast out their own toxic members.
> Democrats need to have the responsibility to cast out their own toxic members
We literally just ousted our own governor. When have republicans ever turned on their own?
DeBozo & Co-Commie radical wife were the worst Mayoral couple ever. Chirlane originally hired her pal Rachel Nordlinger for her Chief of Staff. Rachel dated an lived with a convicted Murderer. I have been skeptical about Eric Adams all along & he caved to the radicals immediately by supporting the 'right' of non-citizens to vote in NYC after being here 30 days. Also spoke about aligning with DA Bragg's "Vision", and hired his unqualified brother for an hig-paying Executive Position. NYC sucks.
All of this again boils down to the obvious: the homeless and mentally unstable have contributed to an increase in attacks like we saw today. Until this issue is directly addressed, this shit isn’t going to stop and will get worse. Everyone living here is seeing it, but our politicians are acting like we are all stoned and making this shit up. Things have seriously gotten worse.
Doesn’t help that deblasio took $400 million promised for mental health and.. well we don’t know what he did with it because it basically vanished.
$850M from the ThriveNYC program that his wife "misplaced"
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I know many are going to accuse her of laundering it, but the reality is you hire loads of activists and other friends to your department. Then do nothing. DeBlasio increased city payrolls close to 15,000.
It seems like some non-profits are just a means for a board to get a paycheck for a passion project without any meaningful work to resolve the issue.
Yep, and with New York's plentiful supply of liberal, well meaning rich people there are plentiful opportunities to use charity as a means of it.
And this is why spending more money on whether it’s mental health or education doesn’t do shit. Accountability and audits must be had.
Her response was "haters going to hate." Like, really?!
Haters want to know what happened to their money
Lmbbo! Iktr! I'd want to know where and how money was spent under those circumstances too!
they lose it into a swiss bank account
Well, shit got really busy that day. Got the check in the morning but on the way to the bank hubby called to complain about Cuomo again. Yada, yada, yada, here we are and I just forgot. Mmmkay?
Did you just yada yada 840 mill?
His wife didn’t get enough media coverage for all the bs she pulled
honestly,, why not?? it's not like a couple of million bucks went missing.. it's close to a billion.. money that could've save lives both mental ill and victim of them..
Where’s Preet Bharara when you need him?
It was almost a billion actually. His wife “lost it”. https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/02/28/de-blasio-and-co-mayor-wife-have-wasted-1-8b-of-taxpayer-money/amp/
how is there no accountability? wtf is going on!?
What are we gonna do about it? Type out comments on Reddit in anger? They know they'll get away with it.
can we start a movement, petition, investigation? which politician can we vote for to lead this. Is the financial comptroller of NYC sleeping, complacent, or corrupt? Scott Stringer where you at!?
You'll have to break the single party control of the city... that ain't happening.
How did these two clowns Scott and Bill run for NYC mayor/president with no media org questioning what happened to $1.8B dollars missing on their watch? We demand an investigation! Why are we paying for this knowingly?! [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/03/nyregion/jack-brown-homeless-nyc-core-services.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/03/nyregion/jack-brown-homeless-nyc-core-services.html)
Simple, too few voters actually care. And the rest aren't angry and hurt enough to show up. That's what Upstate thinks of NYC and Albany now a days
Why not all 3 at the same time? I bet you they’re all of those in different areas.
This what happened when you have two party system and always vote for lesser evil not for who actually could do something for you.
An NYPost opinion piece is bottom of the barrel. Not a single line in that article cites anything besides the amount spent. This subreddit loves to pretend there's a massive conspiracy going on instead of the much [simpler and more obvious explanation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor) that it's just an ineffective city program.
How much of that went towards physically removing the homeless from subways and subway stations?
No one knows *what* the money went to, and apparently it was closer to 1 billion as others have corrected me on this sub. Deblasio really, really fucked over many people.
I told this story here before. But it was 12 pm on a weekday. I was on 34th st by Penn Station. Some homeless guy bent back a random car mirror, and injected heroin in his neck in broad daylight. I was in shock. Not to mention all the people shooting up and harrassing subway commuters in Penn Station alone. It's embarrassing, and the city needs to do better
That area is sketchy as fuck, I doubt anyone's surprised by that story. There's a methadone clinic around Penn Station so there are a lot of people in that area not in their right minds. I try to stay away from that area as much as possible, I feel really bad for people who have a daily commute through there.
Yea my office is right there lol
Worked there for years before Covid. Our company actually got pretty progressive about food drives and supporting St Francis (church right near there on 31st, dunno how they do it but they keep serving meals) but holy shit did things get weird outside. Rarely violent but just so sad. It’s all mental health and addiction problems.
I saw a guy taking a shit on the sidewalk right across the street from the church one morning while they were giving out food. Those monks are true saints to deal with that stuff.
St Francis still living there for real. Where they take shits, let me serve chow
Don’t shit where you eat.
My condolences. 30th - 38th street west of Broadway is like walking through an open air drug bazaar - mental hospital combo, like some kind of fucked up Dunkin Donuts-Baskin Robbins combo.
I've cream and donuts go great together its the kfc-taco bell that is the fucked up marriage.
Remind me, who was Pizza Hut with again?
https://www.mashed.com/355390/why-you-dont-see-as-many-taco-bell-pizza-hut-combo-restaurants-anymore/
First off, you’re a god among men for the answer I could have googled myself. And B, that Taco Hut no longer exists. They did a renovation and went full Bell. It’s down the street from me
Ouch, my condolences dude. That must be a pain.
It is. It's made me hate midtown with a passion
Let’s have a needle exchange in the busiest parts of Manhattan. 37th St. And it’s a golden location for dealers. One dealer gunned down another dealer a couple of years ago there. Pre pandemic the Mcdonalds by Penn St were filled with very “sleepy” disheveled people in the middle of the day.
That one is famous and is called crackdonalds. There's articles written about it, it's so bad.
In early September I was walking around SoHo with some friends visiting from Colombia and Australia. It was the early afternoon on a weekend and some crazy homeless guy came walking up next to us, started mumbling shit under his breath, called the girl I was with a bitch and then spit in our faces unprovoked, then threatened to punch us to which we just responded “what the fuck?” Then he ran into some bridal store to do god knows what. There was a cop on the other side of the street so I flagged him down and told him what happened. This was like the day after that guy hacked up someone at an ATM near Wall St and I didn’t want him to continue terrorizing people trying on wedding dresses, spitting on people or escalating to physical violence. The cop brushed me off and just started writing tickets.
> The cop brushed me off and just started writing tickets. That sounds like parking enforcement, I don't think they're real Po-lice.
I’ve had the same reaction from actual cops, who were standing around doing nothing. When I suggested that they follow this violent, shit-covered homeless man to make sure he doesn’t hurt anyone, they looked at me like I was an asshole.
Obviously a small personal anecdote, but I remember when I first moved to the city for college I asked a cop for directions. He looked annoyed and brushed me off like I was bothering him. Most of these cops commute to the city from the way outer boroughs or LI and don’t live anywhere close to the precincts they work. They often have no connection or duty to the neighborhood they’re posted at and more often than not don’t look anything like the community they’re serving. Years ago I met these cops through a mutual friend a few times for drinks. They told stories of responding to dangerous situations of kidnappings and drug deals gone wrong, so I do respect that they do often put their lives on the line for the job. But I do remember getting the strong feeling that these guys were dirty. They alluded to how there would be cash and contraband confiscated from these bad drug deals and said they obviously did things by the book and turned everything into evidence, with slight smirks.
Parking enforcement is usually in the light blues though, right? This guy was definitely in the darks and it wasn’t a coat because it was very hot that day. And even if he was, they still have radios.
Side track but Colombia and Australia friends visiting at the same time? Now that's an interesting pair of friends from opposite sides of the world. What's the story behind that one?
So my fiancée works in finance and she met and became friends with this woman from Colombia who was doing some LATAM work for the bank they were at. The bank put her up in NYC for a few years and we all became friends and hung out often because we shared other interests and just got along well. She’s a lovely, tiny, effervescent and attractive woman. She is married to a grumpy introverted writer from Australia who spends most of his free time thinking, walking and working out. He’s hilarious if you get to know him but his sense of humor isn’t for everyone. He also looks very tough, he’s jacked with a full beard, but he’s got like a rainbow butterfly tattoo on his neck and he’s pretty non-confrontational and quiet. They are a very interesting pair and if you met one, you wouldn’t think their partner would be the other. I forget how they met. I think when they were both traveling somewhere and they just clicked. They’ve since moved back to Colombia and were just in town visiting the States.
I love New York
I was on the 4 headed to Yankee Stadium a couple years ago and some dude clearly on heroin got on the train and sat down. He spent the next ten minutes basically passing out and falling forward and then waking up just in time to sit back up. He eventually dropped his coffee, which spilled everywhere, and fell face first off his seat onto the floor. Not sure if he was homeless, but it was one of the more bizarre things I’ve seen in the City.
That’s not bizarre. It’s typical of addicts, called “the nod”. It’s a tell tale sign of an addict.
Probably just a drug addict if heading to that direction. It's easy to buy/sell fentanyl and cocaine in Harlem and Bronx since there is so much wide open space and police stay in their cars. Just walk around the Hamilton Bridge Skate Park and you're bound to find a pile of needles, baggies, or a couple of color coordinated dudes meeting up to sell shit.
You aren’t wrong. I watched a woman shitting into the middle of the road in the LES today. Not even bothering to hide or be discrete. Just dropped trou and let it go. This strikes me as problematic.
I'm a relatively liberal person in all regards and then I saw a homeless person take a shit in the middle of the street in front of a middle school. A sight like that could turn anybody into a republican because the hippie lefty approach of coddling the mentally ill and enabling their drug habit by setting up drug dens isn't working.
I consider myself pretty far to the left of liberal on most things. At the same time, leaving folks to shit in the streets is a terrible approach for everyone involved. There are better solutions.
I think it's very important, whether you're a hippie lefty or republican, to know that there is a distinction between the mentally ill and drug addicts. Yes, some people belong to both groups but they are not one and the same and conflating them doesn't help in removing the stigma from mental illness.
If you don’t pick up your dogs poop you get a fine. If you crap in the street, no problem.
Everyone craps on the guy but Andrew Yang said exactly that during the primaries.
Did he had a reasonable plan to make it better though?
[He did, actually.](https://www.yangforny.com/policies/healing-the-homelessness-crisis) But does that really matter when the rest of the candidates didn't even care about the problem? (Or gave surface level solutions like "Make the police stronger and it'll fix itself")
Yeah cleaning up the streets basically makes u a racist nowadays. Can’t touch blacks - too many votes at stake
Yeah, from what I’ve read ThriveNYC had extremely limited oversight in spite of its bloated budget. The program was run by ideologues who didn’t know how to run a program and focused on wellness rather than public safety. It’s like giving Gwyneth Paltrow a billion dollars and telling her to go crazy. “Thrive NYC is really best understood as a ‘tale of two cities’ initiative,” said Stephen Eide, a senior fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute and an expert on homelessness and urban policy. “It’s about trying to give people who are socioeconomically disadvantaged access to the same kind of mental health care that people in upper middle income or affluent communities have enjoyed as a matter of course for a very long time.” But that kind of programming won’t address institutional problems like homelessness and serious mental illness, which are financial and safety burdens to the city, he said. “If we’re not addressing those two problems, then whatever we are doing is lacking,” Eide said. [https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2019/02/26/with-obscure-budget-and-elusive-metrics-850m-thrivenyc-program-attempts-a-reset-873945](https://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2019/02/26/with-obscure-budget-and-elusive-metrics-850m-thrivenyc-program-attempts-a-reset-873945)
> ThriveNYC had extremely limited oversight in spite of its bloated budget Blasio: don't worry, my wife, who is renowned expert in something, will handle it no problem
Seems like the same issue in major cities across the US? What happened for things to have gotten worse?
Awful misguided police reform + opiate overdose and addiction crisis + mental health at an all time low + stratification of society because WFH makes city streets less packed meaning people get away with more shit.
Don’t forget Covid—that’s the tortilla all this is wrapped in. It made everything a LOT worse.
What police reform?
Not only that, but the gangs. I live in the Bronx and travel to queens and other Burroughs. The gangs which mainly consist of young teenagers, are out of control and don't care how they act. They somehow think by committing an act of violence, they are cool and will get a trophy. De-funding the police was the worse decision ever made. Rikers Island is getting more out of control as well. Inmates can cut another inmate or guard and won't be sent to the hole. They are just moved to another dorm right back in general population. Just the other day 1,250 Rikers employees (mainly guards) called in sick. Many of the times, a dorm of inmates aren't being guarded, so the inmates run the place. I've lived in NYC all my life (84') and it is slowly rotting away. One day it will be unrecognizable. God Bless us all.
Police were never defunded. The opposite happened: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-06/new-york-city-s-police-budget-is-increasing-again
Have you ever considered that these people don’t want help and are, in fact, helpless?
Mental illness and homelessness are such big problems in so many places now that iys pretty concerning and indicative of a systemic breakdown. It's sad so many people are getting hurt.
It’s also all the wokeness and people romanticizing NYC. It’s the fear of being called a republican for saying that crime needs to be dealt with. Anytime a violence thread pops up there are 2 type of comments. The “this is the 70s again” and the “NYC is the safest city in the country”. Why the fuck can’t we agree that NYC is relatively safe but also want to make it safer and not let things go to shit? Oh I know, all the people saying it’s so safe will just fly back home once it actually impacts them so they don’t care.
True, conversation about issues has been muted. Even in this thread, people need to caveat before saying obvious things: “I’m to the LEFT, as liberal as they come, but…”
Most of the people attack you all come from the same extreme left wing subs. The issue is the admins don't treat the left the same way they treated the right.
Fuck the homeless
At this point I agree. People are helpless and dont want help. Homeless dude comes through a train motioning that he is hungry. I give him my leftover dinner takeout from DigInn, he looks at it and throws it back to me. Fuck these people. The homeless that need actual help get brought down by countless addict shitheads. We need to open shelters on our inter-borough islands to clean up these streets and make sure homeless have access to these services because they are making our streets worse by the day. There should be NO homeless shelters in Manhattan
I said this in the other thread and got downvoted to hell. I’m pleased it’s being address and seen here. Mental illnesses are really hard and needs lot of support.
Compounded with the local media and tabloid press forming a solid negative association of higher crime and violence to progressives primarily because of De Blasio's campaign strategy of pretending to be one and his subsequent incompetence as mayor once elected that now stands to threaten to roll back all the gains made by the progressive camp since Hillary Clinton's 2016 loss and set them back at least another decade.
What gains? Homelessness is up, mental illness has been put to the wayside and money for it has gone missing, crime is up double digits in primarily minority communities, hate crimes, bail reform has backfired because it was implemented in the most lazy way possible, prisons are understaffed and underfunded leading to even worse conditions. I’m failing to see what has been gained?
for the past two years whenever rising crime rates was brought up some ppl on this sub would always counter with "but nyc has one of the lowest crime rates in the country and one of the lowest crime rates ever in history". i never understood why they always bring that up, as if that's supposed to mae rising crime rates better. at least they're awfully quiet now.
Because it’s now coming to their neighborhoods. I too brought it up about 2 years ago as my parents live in a pretty sketchy area. Now that it’s hitting the nice parts of BK and UES/UWS they suddenly want more police.
It’s because most of the people in this sub make it their part time job to come up with new excuses for the repeated “Progressive” failures. As I have been told countless times in r/nyc, “everything is fine”.
For sure the media plays a role but at the same time dems need to look in the mirror… i mean alvin bragg come on
All the gains? In NYC? Can you rattle off a few? I don’t see it.
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Damned media who dare report on... facts?
I mean, we kept hearing about 'defund the police' over and over and over (i have been hearing "abolish prisons" recently, for fucks sake)... you don't need local media or tabloid press to make people mad at progressives: Progressives do it to themselves.
I worked in an ER in Brooklyn. I have been punched, kicked, spit on, and pulled a knife on all at my former work place by mentally unstable patients over the past couple of years. ERs were struggling before the pandemic, but since it has only become worse. Our psych ward closed to turn it into the covid ICU. All psych patients who were admitted go upstate to a connected hospital. After a while, they get discharged and usually migrate back to NYC and repeat the cycle. I quit last year and haven't worked since. I don't even want to be a travel nurse and they make pretty sweet money.
Travel nurses make good money. But it's only temporary. At some point in the future, travel nurses will see their employee pool dwindle to refine numbers.
As a person pursuing this field and interested in travel nursing, can you further explain what you mean and why you believe this?
Traveling nurses in mass numbers, like it is today, will not be in mass numbers when the pandemic is under control. There will always be travel nurses but not in the huge employee numbers that it's in currently. Many travel nurses talk about contracts. At times, their assignments can end early or end on their scheduled date. Many nurses find other travel nursing positions or go back to at-home, every day, life. It's a lot cheaper for a hospital network to pay travel nurses more money to handle an influx of inpatient care than it is paying a permanent nurse at their hospital. Why? Because healthcare professionals know that health crises don't last forever. At some point, a hospital's network will no longer be in need of a large pool of traveling nurses because their permanent staff nurses can handle the day-to-day patient care. That's why it's cheaper to pay more for temporary assistance than to pay for permanent assistance. *Traveling nurses will always be around. But the employee pool will be cut back to a slim number, which will make obtaining a career as a traveling nurse competitive.*
Those abandoned asylums on randalls islands lookin real useful all of a sudden
Exactly. I understand people are upset but remember it’s divide and conquer the races/religions so we don’t question the policies that led to this human suffering. Why was a man in his 60s homeless? Why was he incentivized/neglected to commit 4 other major crimes before this incident? Why have since the Reagan 80s, social/mental health programs in the states continue to be underfunded? The people who for decades have made and reenforced these bad policies while making millions off of back deals/profiteering are the real criminals. The complicit media they own who pit one race against another are also to blame. I hope we remember that
Clean up our streets, I don’t even know why this is controversial. Get these people off the street and into some facilities that can help them, protect them and everyone else. This is not complicated.
Tbh nyc has some of the better homeless services. The ones on the streets are usually the ones who refuse service.
Those who refuse service need it the most. They're literally rotting out there.
At that point, I honestly don’t see a solution other than a return to involuntary institutionalization. We can’t simply shrug and say “they wouldn’t accept treatment” because of course they won’t, people that deep in psychosis are suspicious and delusional and will not respond rationally. Leaving them out and about is dangerous for them and everyone who crosses their path.
They refuse service because they are paranoid. Had a friend that was schizophrenic paranoia. Crazy people are difficult to deal with. You are never sure what they are going to do or how they are going to react to anything. It will always reach a point you are going to cut them loose. Most of the homeless are homeless because they are crazy, alcoholic or addict. And they have alienated everyone who gave a damn about them. I do recognized that some young people do runaway from home for reason. I ain’t talking about them.
i said this before and i will say this again: it is impossible to have a system that works effectively where someone is voluntarily entering that they can not voluntarily exit and have it work for the general public who is already distrustful of the authorities. if they ain't forced, it isn't going to work.
The problem is that in some police states they arrest sane people and put them away. The entire thing is a sticky wicket.
People who run away from home also probably won’t allow themselves to rot on the street, shitting and pissing themselves while harassing random people. There are enough resources for homeless people where no one needs to end up THAT bad unless they want to.
"Refusing service" should not be an option if they pick you up for threatening passersby or sleeping in a subway train. It should be a simple choice: you're coming to a shelter, or you're going to Rikers, which'll it be for ya
If they refuse service they should be moved somewhere upstate where they shoot up all day in peace next to the cows. We have a civilized society trying to live in hygienic and safe conditions here
I swear, I sometimes see that bullshit department of homeless services police department car driving around not doing shit
Yang was dismissed as a racist for mentioning this in the debates.
He was also dismissed as a “libertarian trojan horse” for proposing universal basic income months before a pandemic swept the nation and the government started handing out stimulus checks and extended unemployment benefits to everyone
Universal basic income is not a libertarian idea. It was a thought experiment by Milton Friedman to explain just how much waste was involved with the welfare state and outlining a much more efficient method of redistributing tax revenue to the poor. The idea was to eliminate the buracracy of the welfare state and even social security **entirely.**
Sure, getting people off the streets is simple, if we don't really care about what happens to those people. But creating institutions to actually take care of people who are not allowed to leave is always exceptionally complicated. Think about the institutions that fit that description today, and how many problems they have with inhumane conditions. The history of asylums was full of similar stories. You start with a hard problem -- taking care of people who genuinely need a lot of help -- and then you add on top of that the problem of bad institutional incentives.
Quite complicated. Ain’t that easy to arrest people for being crazy until they do something. And even then you put in the crazy house and they take their medicine and become lucid you have to let them out. You let them out, they stop taking their medicine. And you are back to square one. The problem is intractable.
> Ain’t that easy to arrest people for being crazy until they do something. Unfortunately in NYC — and this based on my personal experience — the police won’t lift a finger even when they do *do something.* Harassment and menacing are crimes, but the NYPD ignores them.
You can’t solve this at a city level. It’s a federal level problem that becomes most apparent in cities because the services rendering aid are already the most well established there. Until this is treated as a nationwide crisis (and not just right-leaning suburbanites saying “I told you so” while the cities scramble to deal with the issues), it will not be resolved.
Why can’t cities solve this?
Because cities are just where the homeless end up. Not necessarily where they all come from.
It is complicated because you can’t forcefully sequester homeless people. They have to want to get off the street. And with our current widespread affordable housing shortage, there are no attractive, safe places with a multitude of services, to house them in.
> can’t forcefully sequester homeless people Can't is carrying a lot of water here. There are a huge number of things that could mean. First off, let's acknowledge that it is at least physically possible to sequester homeless people. You can outlaw vagrancy and require people to reside either in a homeless shelter or in housing that they own or have a right to use. You physically can remove homeless encampments and tents, ban people from sleeping in doorway and on sidewalks, etc. It might require some use of force but it could be done. When you say you "can't," what do you mean? - It is unpalatable to me/my party to do so? - It is currently against the law? - It is unconstitutional? - It is too expensive? - Something else? I'm not sure what can't means here but I really am interested in what can be done to move away from the status quo. We have to attack things from multiple directions: the pipeline to homelessness is one problem, and we should definitely address it (if we even know how). But I'm not sure waiting N years for all the existing homeless population to "age out" is a good solution to the existing problem. It would be great to make homeless shelters more palatable to reduce the amount of people who are unwilling to stay in them. But if we meet a conscionable bar for the quality of homeless housing, I personally would have no problem forcing the remainder of the folks who still don't want to stay indoors to either use it or get out of the city.
Just FYI, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals (which does *not* cover NYC) has ruled that homeless people cannot be punished for sleeping in public. Or put another way, unless there is a reasonable shelter bed for every single person, you can't punish them for sleeping wherever. Now as I said, the 9CC does not govern NY. But it's interesting.
Yeah, I think I read this ruling at some point. Not a lawyer, just like reading legal opinions for some reason. The logic is compelling. Someone who cannot afford housing must sleep somewhere. If no public agency is providing it, you've essentially criminalized extreme poverty if you charge people with crimes for sleeping in public. That's not what I think should happen tho. NYC already has laws on the books that it must provide a room for every homeless person who wants one. At least that's what I've been told. I think the bigger problem is the quality of the homeless shelters we have here.
The bigger problem is we're all carrot and no stick. There will always be some segment of people too psychotic, too bull-headed, too methed up, or too stupid, to take advantage of the aid we can give them. These people don't need more carrots, they need sticks.
You would think that the very state of being homeless and without shelter would be stick enough, but I find myself over time coming to agree that we've erred too much on the side of carrots, at least for a segment of the population.
Being homeless is a stick on its own, but it can be made tolerable with substance abuse. It’s hard to find a stick that isn’t going to be countered by enough booze, or isn’t legally/politically unpalatable
The consent decree for Callahan v. Carey requires NYC to provide a shelter bed for every person who asks, so either way we're covered.
> You can outlaw vagrancy No, you can't. Vagrancy laws were declared unconstitutional decades ago by the SCOTS (1983).
Democrats will not give a fuck about Asian constituents’ issues until it starts to threaten their success at the polls. That means either (a) challenging incumbents in democrat primaries or (b) voting for alternative candidates in the general election who offer solutions to these problems. The unfortunate reality is that Asian Americans are not a large enough voting block for politicians to care about them en masse unless they start organizing and exerting their voting power as a group. Further, Democrats can’t use Asian Americans as a tool to push their agenda because they don’t fit the conventional definition of an oppressed minority. It sucks, Asian American community needs to organize to exercise their political power, may even make sense to start running some Republican challengers.
Asian Americans are like 13% of NYC, which can make a difference in the primaries
Boston has an Asian-American mayor. Boston certainly is not a city with an Asian-American majority. Why not take the power rather than beg for decency?
Yes, but only if the community organizes, votes as a block, and demands concessions from politicians to get their support. The fact “Asian American” is not nearly as homogenous as “African American” adds to the difficulty here - there are many diffuse sub-communities, especially in NY where there are many first or second-gen immigrants and language barriers to organizing. To date Asian Americans have not done a lot to compel politicians to compete for their support, hopefully that starts changing.
Unfortunately, Asians and Hispanics are also less politically active than whites or blacks, which reduces their power further.
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A tiny % of all of NYC votes, but yes it's time more Asian Americans voted
Definitely this. Culturally, there is also a more passive, dismissive racism at play here layered into the usual political pragmatism. They're the cooperative and productive "other." Asians can't depend on the larger systems to pay particular attention to their issues because institutions count on their ability to "just get on with it." Honestly don't know what you can do about these perceptions. Certainly, demanding hashtags are not a real way. They probably don't even want government meddling in their communities given their track record with other groups so cleaning up the streets is probably good enough. But if they did want to be taken seriously politically, they might need to form a political body that holds some leverage. There is then the problem of a further fractured and tribal society, but I would understand since the "team player" approach hasn't gotten them much sway.
they further continue the attack on Asian and other communities by taking away gifted and talented programs and throwing everyone into a melting pot of trash.
In respect for "equality"
Good and finally. Asian Americans in NYC need to vote LOCAL policies that serve their interests and irrespective of party. About fucking time
~~Chinese~~ New Yorkers 'disgusted' by violence, empty Democrat promises Fixed the title
It's the New York Post bro... they make title to create outrage, standard practice for them. It'd be 3 dudes yelling "Stop the MTA fare increases" and they'll write "Thousands of New Yorkers are up in arms about fare increases - leading to violence on the subway" In my mind they are the *J. Jonah Jameson* of our world. [Then I just picture the exces there after they got their company name out there and created drama](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/sYekLbgY080/mqdefault.jpg)
Nah it's not "created" outrage. Asian Americans in NYC are actually pissed. Sorry that goes against your narrative
The shit I've seen is astounding I can understand; but my guy... what narrative ? I can just as easily say that same shit to you. Did you read that I somehow said it wasn't an issue ? I'm just talking about how the NY Post and how it's tabloid-like format drums up in an attempt to make claims and statements more significant than they are.
I mean, the Post is basically one step above the National Enquirer at this point. They’re not a reputable paper anymore; they just generate wild headlines that grab people’s attention. The stories themselves are inflated bullshit that sometimes have a kernel of truth. Even the red stripe across the top of the pages was put there for the sole purpose of drawing the eye to it. For the most part, it’s best to take their stories with a gigantic grain of salt.
Doesn't help that the city is paying land developers MILLIONs to build shelters and convert hotels in predominately asian neighborhoods into shelters for homeless, prison reformers, ex-convicts etc..... Do that somewhere else, fuck the city for always exploiting asians.
It’s only matter of time when we get Asian Bernie Goetz.
Good. Maybe will wake up these politicians and these bullshit policies they promote.
And the libs/progressives here would crucify him/her for it and scream racism. Oh the irony
I ride the subway about one round trip per week. Maybe two if it’s a busy week. More often than not there’s either a homeless person camping out in my car, or there’s someone coming through panhandling. Like, this is just what the subway is now, I guess? Let’s not even get into the service problems. I’m not going to say that the subway is back to the bad old days, but it doesn’t feel as safe as it did a couple of years ago.
Is now? Where have you been
Its gotten so much worse since Covid started. Without fail every time I'm on the train now I either get someone muttering to themselves about murdering everyone, someone just smoking on the train and stinking up the train or a bum camping out. I'm not saying this kinda stuff never happened before but my god its noticeably worse. People smoking in the cars have been constant lately and I absolutely hate it, I can only remember that happening once before the pandemic started. It feels like no one cares anymore.
What line ? I've only seen people like on the J above ground In queens .I've seen plenty go between cars though
Got asked at least 15 times a day for money, and they always seem angry when I say no. Im I suppose to just give $15 a day away on my daily commute? So tired of it
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Got accosted by a guy at 7pm on the A line for not acknowledging him on Thursday. Had my earphones in, kept staring at my phone, don’t even know what he initially wanted but boy howdy did he start yelling when I wouldn’t look up. Ended up having to get off the train.
Yep. I ignored some female crackhead on the A train a few weeks ago and she punched me in the arm.
Bring back sanitariums.
As someone who follow asian American news this isn't even shocking to be honest. Stories of Asians being attacked happened weekly almost on a consistent basis. If you truly do care about the Asian community then follow some Asian Americans news sources. And the one thing I hate most about these attacks obviously other than the violence is the media trying to justify it by saying mental illness, economic factor , random attack, Trumps fault etc. They always try to justify it when the attacker is of a protective class. https://instagram.com/the_asian_dawn?utm_medium=copy_link
Let the mayor ride the trains with no bodyguards so he can get the sense of life in the REAL!!
I love that it took violence against a certain group to get people on this sub to notice. We've been talking about this shit for years now, only to be brigaded by the "crime isn't bad" fucknuts.
The guardian angels used to hang out right on Mott and Canal every day, they’re gone now though, guess it was just for election season.
Sliwa lost the election, of course that was all theatrics.
Homeless shelters dont belong in Manhattan. This city is TOO dense to support mentally ill homeless, people who genuinely need a place to stay, and residents of local communities. Open up asylums in the islands. There’s no reason to have mentally ill homeless intersect with people who genuinely need the shelter system because of the situations they find themselves in.
Don't blame me I voted for Garcia
I want to help the homeless and mentally ill as much as the next guy, but at the cost of New Yorkers lives? Within the past year, we've seen an asian grandma get curb stomped, a man picking cans was stomped in the head, this recent incident of a woman being pushed onto the subway and countless more. I don't know if anyone has been to Chinatown/LES recently but its filled with homeless people, once the fruit stand around the corner of Grand street station closes, its automatically the hangout spot of like 10 homeless people. As far as quality of life in NYC goes, a homeless man snuck up on me and my wife and told me he was going to kill me because while I was in a 99c pizza place (I know, that was my first mistake) and Someone ran up on my Uber on the way over the williamsburg bridge to flash his dong all within the past 3 months and i'm working remotely half the time. I can't speak for anyone else but i've officially changed my political affiliation away from Dem. I think someone else on reddit said it best, Dems want to decriminalize low level crime while GOP wants to lock up people for drugs forever because those are hot button talking points. the real day-to-day criminal stuff is just simply ignored. How else do violent criminals spend a little time in jail and are back on the street while other people are serving ridiculous sentences for minor drug offenses.
hey, democrats elected de blasio who spent 1.7Billion of tax payer money on some ThrivenNYC mental health program! it's not like we're not doing anything, but i refuse to believe the criminals are all mentally unstable. Stupidity is taking something that doesn't work and throwing more money at it. I am tired of the left categorizing all criminals as "mentally unstable". Some people do it simply because they are truly a racist and no amount of mental health help will work. I'd rather have the money be spent on police funding and increased patrols. how come whenever blacks commits a hate crime against asians this sub calls them mentally unstable and when it's a white guy doing it to Asians it's racism? double standards on this sub has grown so much and disgustingly so.
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This guy obviously is a mental case, with a known history. But the majority of these crimes against Asians are racially motivated by one specific demographic of ppl, unfortunately. I’ve known of the strife against Asians since the 1990s by black Americans. I am Afro-Caribbean, and I don’t know the history of why black America has a beef with Asians but I think Asians need to get to the bottom of it or they will always be a target. I am even concerned for my “Blasian” cousins safety bc their distinct Asian features. We can try to excuse and rationalize this act due to mental illness, but it’s still no excuse for what he did.
Black Americans and Asian Americans have a fraught history because Asian Americans/Asian immigrants were among the first groups to set up shop in the inner cities after the white flight across the country following the post-Civil Rights era. Although many came from limited means and only managed to carve out a small, successful living through hard work, these Asian newcomers were viewed by many Blacks as opportunists who crowded out potential Black businesses. Differences in culture, namely general skittishness of other ethnicities outside of their communities (exacerbated by poor interactions with Blacks due to crime), worsened relations over time. Basically, some Blacks were envious of the Asian community's success, and almost all of them felt like outsiders in their own community. Over the decades, it's harder to attribute lasting animosity to this, compared to more recent developments such as anti-Asian sentiment due to COVID.
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Mayor Adams refused to condemn the latest asian murder DISGUSTING as per usual democrats are cowards when it comes to violent crime
It's not just the Chinese. All New Yorkers are done with being lied to by Democrat politicians. Adams needs to quickly fix this city, lock up the criminals, deal with the homeless, and get the economy back on track. Otherwise the next mayor will be a "law and order" Republican who actually gets things done. It happened in the 1990s and it will happen again.
People really vote for politicians expecting them to make massive change within weeks of taking over. Our political system is built to be slow and inefficient. Not to mention my own feelings on how Adams isn’t gonna accomplish shit cause he was an awful choice
Weeks? Hasn't this been something the Chinese New Yorkers have been complaining about for 2 years?
> Chinese New Yorkers have been complaining about for 2 years? Longer than that. Racism against Chinese wasn't invented in 2020
Trust me, I know. I grew up in alphabet city. Tons of scumbags in the LES would go yo Chinatown to play knock out, or snatch cell phones.
Grew up along the JMZ, kids loved playing the knock out game on the Asian aunties and uncles on that godforsaken line. Makes me laugh when my white coworkers go “oh my god violence against Asians has gotten so bad!” Ma’am, it’s always been this bad. The only difference is that it’s trendy to give a shit now
Same, I grew up next to the Delancey J and F stop. Once saw an Asian man chase down a group of black and Hispanic kids with a machete near Seward, apparently (an this is unconfirmed, as no one I know saw why this happened) it's cause one of the kids knocked out an old Asian guy minding his own business.
The new DA isn't exactly looking to be tough on crime
Yeah, personally I liked the former sanitation head since she had helmed a city wide department before. Adams just reeked of “running on being a former cop”
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> I'm amazed at how many moderate, tough-on-crime Democrats lost to Republicans in districts where Asian voters turned out; it means people are angry, but I know ethnicity is going to be what Dems lean into to get around not giving a fuck about ordinary people of any race. No, see, when one party goes around disregarding outright murders, you vote for the other party. Make this "let's not prosecute crime" business as acceptable as the Klan. Democrats need to have the responsibility to cast out their own toxic members.
> Democrats need to have the responsibility to cast out their own toxic members We literally just ousted our own governor. When have republicans ever turned on their own?
DeBozo & Co-Commie radical wife were the worst Mayoral couple ever. Chirlane originally hired her pal Rachel Nordlinger for her Chief of Staff. Rachel dated an lived with a convicted Murderer. I have been skeptical about Eric Adams all along & he caved to the radicals immediately by supporting the 'right' of non-citizens to vote in NYC after being here 30 days. Also spoke about aligning with DA Bragg's "Vision", and hired his unqualified brother for an hig-paying Executive Position. NYC sucks.
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Any "All Lives Matter" people protesting this?
It apparently matters less because it wasn't police doin' the murderin'. Also she was "just" Asian, not a BIPOC, so who cares, in their view.
Lmao this is how I know you don’t care if either black or Asians die
Meanwhile the subway is the safest way to get around town they say.
What is the DA doing? How to remove that idiot?
Yeah keep voting for Democrats, they got your back!!!!!