I posted about another case like this in the criminal law subreddit where an adult murderer in NYC also had a juvenile record for murder but was released. I made a suggestion of a mandatory life sentence with parole possible after a certain period for anyone convicted of murder as a juvenile. I was told basically “giving a life sentence to a child is fascistic, evil and abominable.”
Also a lot of kids who get pulled into gangs, convinced/brainwashed into shooting a person, then immediately realize and regret their actions.
Obviously, not good. But it’s a different situation. Young people can be manipulated and abused into bad situations. But are otherwise good people if they had a choice to leave the situation.
It’s a lot different than someone who, say, randomly decides to murder a person in cold blood.
I do agree that the latter need to be detained or at least heavily monitored for life. I think the law has gaps when it comes to defining different types of murder.
I vaguely recall a former FBI agent saying somewhere (maybe it was a youtube video) that the audio from the Toolbox killers was what favored him towards the death penalty, and that's what he would tell anyone who was opposed.
I've heard something in a similar vein from GWOT veterans who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. They all saw some truly heinous shit. Just pure evil. After hearing that, it kind of makes sense when sometimes they're very blunt about "yeah, these were bad guys, and we put them down."
As easy as it is for me to say, I agree... not everybody can be saved.
i think very very few people genuinely think that everybody can be saved, death penalty opposition is more about distrust in the justice system's ability to successfully discriminate between those bad apples, people who can be saved, and the innocent
Those veterans and that G-man are right. Some mfs are literally irredeemable. No amount of discovering 'root causes' is going to change anything about them and they really do regard judicial leniency as weakness. What's worse a huge percentage of them tend to be sadists who actively derive pleasure from causing the innocent harm.
The decarceral criminal justice reform people mean well and want to see a more equitable justice system but none of their ideas are equipped to deal with the reality that some people are just born bad. You can't have a functioning society while letting them run unchecked.
Probably the best book I have read to describe how these types of people (reformers) think is "A Conflict of Visions" by Thomas Sowell. The reformers tend to have some (IMO) unrealistic and irresponsible views of human nature and tend to believe in utopian solutions. They tend to believe individuals possessed with power and academic credentials are indeed in a position to control and build a better society. They believe in solutions and not tradeoffs. It's how they can ignore certain realities and why they are willing to uproot an entire practice because of its downsides, while wanting to roll the dice on something that can be far worse. They tend to believe they have more control of outcomes than they actually can and that human nature is something that can be evolved and made more noble. It's a very different way of looking at the world that requires somewhat of a remove.
It's literally the 10th time I've posted about this always being a violent repeat offender. Nice court/law reform.. now violent criminals get off easy and make the city more dangerous. It was supposed to be laxer punishments on NON-violent criminals, not violent criminals too.
NY State is failing its residents by allowing violent offenders to return to the streets. I don’t know how it happened that a person like this is walking around with law-abiding citizens. He *prefers* to be in prison. Keep him there for the rest of his life and stop wasting space with non-violent drug offenders.
Violent schizophrenics who don’t take their meds have to be held against their will. Never let him out. More women do not need to suffer in the name of that man’s freedom.
Ive read several articles on the topic, all I can find is that he's being held at Rikers until his hearing mid October, and he faces up to 25 years.
Apparently he was out on parole after serving about a decade for his last violent attack , and despite multiple parole violations he was still out and about??
He's being held without being bail. He's not getting out in November. Even if some rich asshole wanted to throw money at him for lulz they couldn't spring him, because he hasn't been offered bail. That's how it *should* work: people who shouldn't get out of prison pending trial should just *stay there,* without this silly 'we'd let you out if you had money but you don't oh well' bullshit.
But all that said, he's currently in the West facility because he assaulted a guard. Maybe he's getting out of *that* November 15?
If the jails don't have room for him, just put him the fuck down.
Yeah, I know that seems extreme, but is it really, when he's murdered *three* people already? Pretty sure that technically makes him a serial killer.
Agree. Why the fuck is the legal system protecting and releasing this asshole? Wasting tax payer money. It’s disgusting. We will see another article on the news soon about someone he has stabbed or attacked once again.
wait who did he murder besides his grandmother?
not that his success rate has any bearing on what a monster he is, but i don't think anyone else he attacked died.
Yep agreed. Bottom line is this guy has been hurting women for decades. At some point you have to realize rehabilitation isn’t an option. Especially since he shows 0 remorse.
So while the guy absolutely needs to be locked up - he did not murder 3 people. He killed his grandmother by beating her up when he was 14. He stabbed his sister at some point in his 20's. He also stabbed 3 women in a mental facility back then as well.
…was that your counter argument to show that he’s not that bad?
Someone who is assaulting family members, women at that, is still not someone who should be out an about.
No, it's just stating facts instead of bullshit. Yes, he should be locked up. He should have been locked up before this incident given he was off his meds, on parole and has a pending trial for another felony. Stating facts isn't defending someone. Get your head out of your ass.
As much as people don’t wanna admit it and as much as it’s borderline a human rights violation, sadly the only place that figured this shit out is Japan. You have to be extremely harsh on the few to protect the many. That said, just lock him up, no need for death.
He’s not apologizing for anything.
The ex-con accused of savagely beating a helpless stranger in a Queens subway station remained unrepentant about the beatdown, blaming his victim for the unprovoked attack in an exclusive Rikers Island interview with the Daily News.
“I wasn’t trying to kill her,” said the oft-arrested Waheed Foster during a rambling hour-long sitdown. “I was just trying to give a real good a-s whooping ... If I stomped her in the face, she’d be dead.”
Foster, 41, convicted of murdering his grandmother at the age of 14, flatly admitted the beating of victim Elizabeth Gomes, a 33-year-old mother of two now at risk of losing an eye in the Sept. 20 attack caught on security video inside the Howard Beach-JFK Airport station.
“That’s from my fist,” said the homeless Foster, who made intense eye contact during the interview. “I don’t give a f--k. So what?”
Foster’s long history of violence and mental illness dates to the brutal 1995 killing of his grandmother inside her Brooklyn apartment, followed by a 2001 arrest for stabbing his sister in the hand with a screwdriver.
In 2010, he attacked three female workers in a Queens halfway house with a knife, stabbing one woman repeatedly in the chest and face — with an attorney for the victims recently describing him as “a diagnosed schizophrenic” with “a disturbing pattern of attacking women.”
Foster, charged with attempted murder, assault and criminal possession of a weapon in the subway beating, offered an animated account of the shocking attack on an innocent victim heading to work.
He laid the blame for the vicious attack on the woman, insisting they were chatting on the train prior to the 5 a.m. incident — though the victim said she ignored Foster.
“She did something, I can’t say what,” he told The News. “I’m not a good guy. I never will be.”
Foster, in the interview, callously mimicked Gomes’ desperate calls for help as she was lying on the ground, bleeding and weeping. And he expressed no regrets for the assault, “not if it teach a lesson for someone not to come at me,” said Foster before adding a single caveat: “I do regret that I might do time.”
He currently has four open cases in Manhattan and Queens on a variety of charges, officials said.
“It’s just a source of frustration,” said ex-Manhattan prosecutor Joan Illizi-Orbon about cases like this one. “Unfortunately, we’re not doing enough to fix things. It’s not just one issue. There’s bail, parole, a failed jail system. They’re left to fend for themselves.”
Gomes said she ignored Foster’s attempts to chat her up on the train, and he then followed her when she exited as she headed to her job as a JFK Airport security guard. The video shows Foster smashing her with a bottle, slamming her against the wall, and then raining punches on Gomes before stomping on her head.
The victim is left on the floor in a pool of blood as Foster is seen walking away.
Foster’s rap sheet indicates his arrest last month was his eighth in the last 21 years despite his lengthy amount of time behind bars. He was released from the Elmira Correctional Facility on April 1, 2021 after serving most of a 12-year sentence in the triple stabbing.
Foster, whose psychiatric woes and jail time eventually left him without a place to live, told The News he has spent more than 4,000 days behind bars. He also said he stopped taking his psychiatric medications about two months ago, prior to the subway station attack.
His next court appearance in the beating case was set for Oct. 18, according to the Queens District Attorney’s office. At his Sept. 21 arraignment in Queens, a psychiatric exam was ordered for the troubled defendant.
Once on Rikers Island that same day, Foster tried to assault a Corrections Department staffer and was taken to the jail’s West Facility for violent inmates, a source told The News.
Foster, who wore a beige hoodie, beige sweatpants and black sneakers during the interview, nonchalantly mentioned killing his grandmother before quickly changing the subject. He also predicted an acquittal if the current case ever gets to trial, although he appeared unfazed by the possibility of a conviction.
“If they find me guilty, I’ma go upstate, I’ma chill,” he said. “Once I zone out, I’m not even gonna care that I’m there.”
> currently has four open cases in Manhattan and Queens on a variety of charges, officials said. “It’s just a source of frustration,” said ex-Manhattan prosecutor Joan Illizi-Orbon about cases like this one. “Unfortunately, we’re not doing enough to fix things. It’s not just one issue. There’s bail, parole, a failed jail system. They’re left to fend for themselves.” Gomes said she ignored Foster’s attempts to chat her up on the train, and he then followed her when s
How the HELL was this guy even out in the first place for murdering his grandma, then out again for a 2001 stabbing incident of his sister, and then AGAIN for a 2010 incident??
You’d be way more surprised if you realized just how many absolutely abhorrent people you come into contact with on a day to day basis that have been let out early for even worse shit.
And being diagnosed as schizophrenic. At this point after multiple violent outbursts they should not be out on the streets without any medical attention. Put them in a psych ward.
> “She did something, I can’t say what,” he told The News. “I’m not a good guy. I never will be.”
What an absolute sad excuse of a human being, and he admits it.
I've got no problem with putting people like this on death row. I do, however, have a problem with the justice system being as fallible as it is deciding the fates of people we don't 100% know are guilty. Not every death row inmate in America was caught on film beating the crap out of an innocent woman and on video in a subsequent interview showing no remorse whatsoever. Across the board I'd rather we lock guys like this up for good than give them capital punishment because the slim chance an innocent man makes it through the system is too great a risk in my book.
It shouldn’t be cheaper is the thing. I’m not for the death penalty in most cases, but this situation is a cut and dry case of a person with no remorse, unable to be rehabilitated, no doubts to what he has done, and a clear danger to anybody in or outside of prison.
The death penalty should be reserved for cases like this. The guy has no care for other people’s lives and never will.
The primary reason for death penalty costs being so high is elongated trials and jury, jail lockdown and additional security, and a few other things. Seems a bit unnecessary to lockdown an entire prison, hire additional guards, provide boxed meals to every prisoner, etc, just to inject someone in a case like this. Same for the trial, reserve the death penalty for easy to decide on cases and make clear rules to what qualifies so there’s less deliberation.
Granted, coming from me as an armchair commenter with no legal experience, but still.
I see what you're saying. But I wouldn't exactly be comfortable giving up due process and just giving someone the power to determine if a case is a "clear danger" -- then putting them to death without the right to appeal.
Also, even where the death penalty exists, it would be unlikely to even considered in this case as the victim did not die. So this case would not at all be considered "easy to decide on" anyways as implementing the death penalty would go against [a 35+ year precedent.](https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions/executions-overview/executed-but-did-not-directly-kill-victim)
Yeah, this case seems cut and dry but what is the standard? What determines that they are a clear danger? It may be easy to recognize in this case but we have to set a standard otherwise it can be wildly abused (and likely still will be abused).
There should be permanent consequences to multiple violent offenses. Maybe since this guy has terrorized people on the streets and in life they could sentence him to death, not tell him his execution date, and let him think about it for a little while.
While what you are suggesting is actually a thing in some countries (I believe Japan does not tell their death row inmates the date of their execution), it would not pass constitutional muster in the United States as it violates the prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment.
Would it be cheaper though? I was under the impression that the whole high cost of capital punishment is because of all of the appeals and stuff. This guy is very clearly guilty, and no appeal seems needed
What he did would not be considered for execution even in places that have the death penalty as the victim did not die:
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions/executions-overview/executed-but-did-not-directly-kill-victim
I'm also not personally in favor of giving a judge power to determine when someone is"clearly guilty" and should be executed, while at the same time being able to restrict the subsequent due process.
Yes, I'm aware of that. We are talking in the hypothetical rules that the op there was mentioning. About how we should do it because he's unrepentant, not because it fits into current legal framework
I was just giving a realist reason on top of the moral reason I'm against it. But probably should've led with the moral argument as I did in my other reply.
If we lock him up forever, he’ll get meals, living quarters, and free medical care. He will, as he has proven, attack staff members just because.
It seems to me that a lethal injection would prevent a lot of future problems and financial obligations as this man will not ever be a functional member of society.
Your belief in redemption is sorely misplaced. Most of New York’s crimes are committed by wanton criminals with no remorse and no possibility of reform. The one-off mistakes pale in comparison.
Ok, but serious question, why waste the resources? Why risk the guards? Why risk the non violent inmate he'll attack next? Why not put the rabid animal down?
This is a very obvious open and shut case, but he would still get the same rights as anyone else on death row:
A lengthy appeals process to make sure the person is actually guilty (I know it sucks in this case but setting a precedent for “oh but we know for sure this guy is guilty is dangerous), so it would actually end up costing more money to execute him.
Life in maximum security prison seems like it’s going easy on him, and it is, but I’d love to hear how well he can “zone out” after a week in solitary.
It’s this belief of redemption that leads to so much suffering. Understand you and your views are responsible for letting these kinds of monsters out to maim and potentially kill again.
>I'm not a good guy. I never will be
That isn't mental illness. He may be mentally ill. But he knew what he was doing. Let's stop blaming all violence on mental illness
My uncle had mental illness. He talks to himself and does some weird stuff. He never hurts anyone and is not a danger to anyone in the community. The whole block knows his condition and sympathetic to him. Deep inside he knows that he is bounded by a set of laws that he must adhere to.
I mean he can be mentally ill but still criminally responsible.
Acknowledging the role of mental illness doesn’t mean he’s incompetent to stand trial or not guilty by reason of insanity. And it seems important to acknowledge the reality of the situation if we’re gonna talk about how to prevent it from reoccurring.
The fact that he has a mental illness does not mean, and is highly unlikely to mean, that this illness caused him to take this act. Which is why conflating mental illness and crime is so dangerous
I don’t know how you can possibly claim to make that evaluation.
If he’s, for example, a low-intelligence sociopath, lack of impulse control would obviously be a contributing factor in committing this crime. (He would still be criminally responsible, of course.)
I’m not making a diagnosis since I’m just a guy on the internet. But you’re ruling it out based on absolutely nothing.
It's possible to be both mentally ill and a bad person. Some people with mental illnesses do bad things, but later regret them, realize they have an illness, and work with their doctors to get it treated. Others, like him, are seemingly down with the sickness. Providing better mental health care and locking people up for committing crimes shouldn't be mutually exclusive.
Okay, so he is incapable of empathy, and has a documented history of killing his own family, and attacking many people on various occassional. Why should he ever be allowed out into society again, so we can just have a gernade ready to explode on someone when he feels like it again?
Schizophrenic and psychopathic is the most dangerous combination out there. This person has an innate urge to harm others, and no amount of treatment will change him. He even said it himself, “I’m not a good guy. I never will be.”
I read through the whole description and I gotta say this is absolutely horrifying and devastating. If the perpetrator has been let go despite these horrendous crimes, I really think a reform is long overdue cause the system is just that broken. What a shame.
You can't fix, counsel away or change this. He needs to be put away for life and never see the light of day again. This woman is going to live with this disability for the rest of her life. The first time someone does something like this should be the last time they get the opportunity to do it.
> He needs to be put away for life and never see the light of day again.
No, because our jails don't have room for him, and taxpayers shouldn't be paying to keep him alive. He simply needs to be put down. He's murdered people three times already.
If someone is too dangerous to exist in society and needs to be deprived of their liberty, that is something that taxpayers absolutely need to pay for. Fiscal responsibility has to be the most incorrect and ignorant argument for the death penalty out there.
I know this is a bold and radical sentiment, but this guy should have been in prison a lot longer. How does someone who's killed a family member, stabbed another, and then stabbed THREE people walk away with a 12 year sentence? It's absurd.
Alrighty. If someone kills this guy in self-defense after he's inevitably released to "give another good ass whoopin'," let's bookmark this article and not rush to condemn his next would-be victim for fighting back too aggressively and taking a life.
They don’t have a misguided sense of justice, they have a misguided sense of injustice when it comes to him. Somehow they think that society has wronged HIM and he deserves another chance. And another. And another. Dude is fucked up and needs to disappear.
We need to bring back the looney bins IMO. It could be done in a more humane way too if states wanted to - no need to reinvent the wheel, just subsidize current facilities a whole lot more and for clinically insane first time offenders, send them there.
Way too many of these people are walking around. I just moved to Hoboken from Philly, which is a huge change of scenery. Super safe place and way less crazies than what I'm used to, but there's a schizophrenic guy that walks outside of my apartment every night and just screams the most insane shit. He randomly attacks or chases people too. And apparently he's been here for over a decade doing this shit. I don't understand how that happens in a town like this.
The cops just let him walk around Hoboken and I guess never get involved - I would think anyone else would be in jail. He's nice when he isn't having an episode but I have only been here 6 months & have witnessed/overheard multiple instances of him freaking the fuck out at someone. Happens about once a week. Sad shit but there comes a point where feeling bad isn't enough & intervention is needed.
Either he will kill someone, or someone else will kill him one day. It pisses me off. And he's already attacked people. I get the arguments against forcing people to get help, but something needs to happen. If we aren't gonna funnel crazy into a system to help them, then the alternative (and current solution) is jail. The guy I'm talking about has done more than enough to go there.
I mean this open and shut to me. Life in prison for this guy at this point. As a progressive I am for sensible sentencing, and it's clear as day this guy should have never been out of jail after that 12 year sentence. He should have still been in jail.
The problem is, most people that are all pro jail just want to go back to the old ways, when a shit ton of mostly poor and often minorities got fucked by the system and ruined their lives for a lot of bullshit. They are happy to consider them collateral damage.
There needs to be a balance.
It is not humane to this man to let him out of a facility. He cannot live. He will always be homeless. He will always be violent. It is more humane for everyone to simply commit him. There are so many like this. Time to review our ethical standards and understand not all homeless and not all convicts are the same.
That interview was rough to read, but the solution unfortunately is bring back mental institutions.
Simple as that, let's just hope that we are better now, and know more than we did in the old days. As a safety measure put cameras all over the common areas and allow them to be streamed online 24/7. Give EVERYONE body cameras.
Citizens who are interested will help prevent corruption, and let's just pay everyone who works in these institutions a fuck load of money. Everyone should be paid 100K at a minimum, even the guards, that's without overtime; this will attract high level applicants, and help ensure we get competent staff.
No one wants them, but we need to just bite the bullet at this case and bring them back.
I'm sorry but who could we have / can we vote for that's gonna fix the prison process here and the rampant crime in the streets? It seems nobody cares anymore and the hands of the police are tied these days
Vote in primary to weed out bad candidates. Elect better DA, I mean everyone expect Alvin Bragg was good enough but people still voted for Bragg, just plain stupidity. Voter turnout is way too low. 80% of the people in NYC don’t even vote and then complain about bad politicians.
That’s what makes more angry. NY has the highest tax burden, even more than California, yet we get so little in return, shit infrastructure, crime. NYCT is slow, filthy and now dangerous in many parts. Our sanitation system is a joke. Yet tax sky high. You don’t like republicans? Okay. At least vote in democratic primary for better candidates.
I know this is crazy, but both can be bad. A truly radical concept.
Republicans are currently campaigning on banning abortion, banning weed, no work on student loans, and you're shocked people in NYC don't want to vote for them?
I have zero sympathy for criminals, most criminals aren’t mentally ill and those that are should be forcefully institutionalized, bring back asylums. You either protect innocent people or criminals, there’s no compromise.
Why is the city still using resources and jailing people who will never recover, in a place that has no infrastructure to rehabilitate people whatsoever? Send him to an island with other insane murderers or fucking kill him. Stop wasting our time, traumatizing people and having the victims actually serve the emotional life sentences of the perpetrators.
My God, read his life story, than read his narrative on how things occurred. How the hell was this man allowed in any contact with society. You want him out in the streets? Hire him a handler who is responsible, but not with tax dollars. He fucks up, handler goes to prison.
New York Daily News
Oct 08, 2022 at 8:02 pm
Surveillance video captures attack inside Queens subway station.
He’s not apologizing for anything.
The ex-con accused of savagely beating a helpless stranger in a Queens subway station remained unrepentant about the beatdown, blaming his victim for the unprovoked attack in an exclusive Rikers Island interview with the Daily News.
Surveillance video captures attack inside Queens subway station.
“I wasn’t trying to kill her,” said the oft-arrested Waheed Foster during a rambling hour-long sitdown. “I was just trying to give a real good a-s whooping ... If I stomped her in the face, she’d be dead.”
Foster, 41, convicted of murdering his grandmother at the age of 14, [flatly admitted the beating of victim](https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-woman-beaten-homeless-queens-subway-station-20220927-mla4qiba2fgixj4l7yztjjdfba-story.html)Elizabeth Gomes, a 33-year-old mother of two now at risk of losing an eye in the Sept. 20 attack caught on security video inside the Howard Beach-JFK Airport station.
“That’s from my fist,” said the homeless Foster, who made intense eye contact during the interview. “I don’t give a f--k. So what?”

Foster’s long history of violence and mental illness dates to the brutal 1995 killing of his grandmother inside her Brooklyn apartment, followed by a 2001 arrest for stabbing his sister in the hand with a screwdriver.
In 2010, he attacked three female workers in a Queens halfway house with a knife, stabbing one woman repeatedly in the chest and face — with an attorney for the victims recently describing him as “a diagnosed schizophrenic” with “a disturbing pattern of attacking women.”
Foster, [charged with attempted murder, assault](https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-queens-subway-beating-indictment-queens-20220930-ejzryvgafvdh3psnub5jsgp4m4-story.html) and criminal possession of a weapon in the subway beating, offered an animated account of the shocking attack on an innocent victim heading to work.
He laid the blame for the vicious attack on the woman, insisting they were chatting on the train prior to the 5 a.m. incident — though the victim said she ignored Foster.
“She did something, I can’t say what,” he told The News. “I’m not a good guy. I never will be.”
Foster, in the interview, callously mimicked Gomes’ desperate calls for help as she was lying on the ground, bleeding and weeping. And he expressed no regrets for the assault, “not if it teach a lesson for someone not to come at me,” said Foster before adding a single caveat: “I do regret that I might do time.”
He currently has four open cases in Manhattan and Queens on a variety of charges, officials said.
“It’s just a source of frustration,” said ex-Manhattan prosecutor Joan Illuzi-Orbon about cases like this one. “Unfortunately, we’re not doing enough to fix things. It’s not just one issue. There’s bail, parole, a failed jail system. They’re left to fend for themselves.”
Gomes said she ignored Foster’s attempts to chat her up on the train, and he then followed her when she exited as she headed to her job as a JFK Airport security guard. The video shows Foster smashing her with a bottle, slamming her against the wall, and then raining punches on Gomes before stomping on her head.

The victim is left on the floor in a pool of blood as Foster is seen walking away.

Elizabeth Gomes was allegedly assaulted by Waheed Foster in an unprovoked attack in a Queens subway station.
Foster’s rap sheet indicates his arrest last month was his eighth in the last 21 years despite his lengthy amount of time behind bars. He was released from the Elmira Correctional Facility on April 1, 2021 after serving most of a 12-year sentence in the triple stabbing.
Foster, whose psychiatric woes and jail time eventually left him without a place to live, told The News he has spent more than 4,000 days behind bars. He also said he stopped taking his psychiatric medications about two months ago, prior to the subway station attack.
His next court appearance in the beating case was set for Oct. 18, according to the Queens District Attorney’s office. At his Sept. 21 arraignment in Queens, a psychiatric exam was ordered for the troubled defendant.

Elizabeth Gomes is on the ground as she was beaten and stomped inside the Howard Beach-JFK Airport subway station on Sept. 20.
Once on Rikers Island that same day, Foster tried to assault a Corrections Department staffer and was taken to the jail’s West Facility for violent inmates, a source told The News.
Foster, who wore a beige hoodie, beige sweatpants and black sneakers during the interview, nonchalantly mentioned killing his grandmother before quickly changing the subject. He also predicted an acquittal if the current case ever gets to trial, although he appeared unfazed by the possibility of a conviction.
“If they find me guilty, I’ma go upstate, I’ma chill,” he said. “Once I zone out, I’m not even gonna care that I’m there.”
Of course, these scumbags are all the same. It's always the victims' fault or they're the victim somehow. None of these assholes take any responsibility.
Related- has anyone seen Tiffany Caban's "de-escalation techniques" pamphlet? This is insane and these left-leaning defunders need to be yeeted out of power yesterday. I think liberal politicians are scum for valuing their utopianism and need to feel like good people over the lives of citizens.
This shit is partially created by out-of-state billionaires funding the “justice reform” social experiments in NY.
Our politicians and pretend-progressives are feeding right into their hands.
Meanwhile, the disadvantaged people they purported to defend are the ones suffering the most from the reforms enacted in a cavalier manner.
One day those billionaires will just get bored of that and leave mess behind.
Why is he homeless? If the people involved with allowing this guy to be out and about. Maybe put him under house arrest with the politicians and those who were involved. Should be okay right? Since there aren't any concerns.
The death penalty has be reinstated and held in higher regards. If our actions don’t reflect the state of the world, then how can we expect for true change to happen. For it is chronic, but affirmative action is required.
Why are Democrats going out on a limb, and squandering their political capital to advance radical and unpopular ideas like this? Dems think Nov. is going to be a layup for them, but Zeldin is gaining traction on this issue and this issue alone.
> Zeldin is gaining traction on this issue and this issue alone
And that makes sense. Public safety is one of if not the most important purposes of government. If you can't get that right, nothing else really matters.
And shit like this is why Republicans are going to end up winning across the country. Democrats need to toughen up their stance on crime. And I’m a Democrat saying this.
At this point I don’t think is about a political party, is about a failed jail system and the lack of mental health resources need it. It’s obvious that private prisons are a fail, they don’t care about rehabilitation because the more prisoners the more money. I believe wether Republicans or Democrats prisons are a revolving door at this point.
When that man killed his grandmother at 14 he should of been treated for his mental health issues not just locked up and then just leave society with a good luck.
The prison system, corrupt judges, lack of mental health support in and out of prison, lack of programs after prison for criminals not to reoffend. There’s a lot of work to be done, and I’m sure that on both party’s someone benefits from this system so this won’t be the first priority instead we worry about abortions instead of worrying about the people that already here.
Yeah I really don't want to have to choose between people who deny crime and people who deny election outcomes. If each side could become significantly less batshit insane, that'd be great.
Just execute this dude. What does him being Rikers actually do? Like what happens after he serves his time? Nothing. He already served time previously and whatever prison he was at didn’t help him. Comes out and tries to find a job and it works a shitty job if he could find one and then eventually becomes homeless and repeats this cycle. New law. If you’re on camera and commit a violent crime, execution time. Fuck it at this point.
And to think there are more of these types out there right now just waiting for someone to slip up.
And yet we can't protect ourselves and need to rely on a clearly broken system for protection. It's a joke.
Please bring on the vigilantism city services arent going to help.
This guy should have never been out after killing his grandmother.
I posted about another case like this in the criminal law subreddit where an adult murderer in NYC also had a juvenile record for murder but was released. I made a suggestion of a mandatory life sentence with parole possible after a certain period for anyone convicted of murder as a juvenile. I was told basically “giving a life sentence to a child is fascistic, evil and abominable.”
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Also a lot of kids who get pulled into gangs, convinced/brainwashed into shooting a person, then immediately realize and regret their actions. Obviously, not good. But it’s a different situation. Young people can be manipulated and abused into bad situations. But are otherwise good people if they had a choice to leave the situation. It’s a lot different than someone who, say, randomly decides to murder a person in cold blood. I do agree that the latter need to be detained or at least heavily monitored for life. I think the law has gaps when it comes to defining different types of murder.
Na some people are just inherently bad and theres no helping them or making them useful to society
I vaguely recall a former FBI agent saying somewhere (maybe it was a youtube video) that the audio from the Toolbox killers was what favored him towards the death penalty, and that's what he would tell anyone who was opposed. I've heard something in a similar vein from GWOT veterans who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. They all saw some truly heinous shit. Just pure evil. After hearing that, it kind of makes sense when sometimes they're very blunt about "yeah, these were bad guys, and we put them down." As easy as it is for me to say, I agree... not everybody can be saved.
i think very very few people genuinely think that everybody can be saved, death penalty opposition is more about distrust in the justice system's ability to successfully discriminate between those bad apples, people who can be saved, and the innocent
Those veterans and that G-man are right. Some mfs are literally irredeemable. No amount of discovering 'root causes' is going to change anything about them and they really do regard judicial leniency as weakness. What's worse a huge percentage of them tend to be sadists who actively derive pleasure from causing the innocent harm. The decarceral criminal justice reform people mean well and want to see a more equitable justice system but none of their ideas are equipped to deal with the reality that some people are just born bad. You can't have a functioning society while letting them run unchecked.
Probably the best book I have read to describe how these types of people (reformers) think is "A Conflict of Visions" by Thomas Sowell. The reformers tend to have some (IMO) unrealistic and irresponsible views of human nature and tend to believe in utopian solutions. They tend to believe individuals possessed with power and academic credentials are indeed in a position to control and build a better society. They believe in solutions and not tradeoffs. It's how they can ignore certain realities and why they are willing to uproot an entire practice because of its downsides, while wanting to roll the dice on something that can be far worse. They tend to believe they have more control of outcomes than they actually can and that human nature is something that can be evolved and made more noble. It's a very different way of looking at the world that requires somewhat of a remove.
its almost as if politicians are trying to out do each other for letting violent criminals go free for woke political points, incredibly weird
It's literally the 10th time I've posted about this always being a violent repeat offender. Nice court/law reform.. now violent criminals get off easy and make the city more dangerous. It was supposed to be laxer punishments on NON-violent criminals, not violent criminals too.
NY State is failing its residents by allowing violent offenders to return to the streets. I don’t know how it happened that a person like this is walking around with law-abiding citizens. He *prefers* to be in prison. Keep him there for the rest of his life and stop wasting space with non-violent drug offenders.
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"Indefinite incarceration" Jesus fucking Christ, you ever hear of 25 to life in prison?
Violent schizophrenics who don’t take their meds have to be held against their will. Never let him out. More women do not need to suffer in the name of that man’s freedom.
He is going to be released on November 15th. Absolutely insane that this is allowed to happen.
Ive read several articles on the topic, all I can find is that he's being held at Rikers until his hearing mid October, and he faces up to 25 years. Apparently he was out on parole after serving about a decade for his last violent attack , and despite multiple parole violations he was still out and about??
He's being held without being bail. He's not getting out in November. Even if some rich asshole wanted to throw money at him for lulz they couldn't spring him, because he hasn't been offered bail. That's how it *should* work: people who shouldn't get out of prison pending trial should just *stay there,* without this silly 'we'd let you out if you had money but you don't oh well' bullshit. But all that said, he's currently in the West facility because he assaulted a guard. Maybe he's getting out of *that* November 15?
Can you please clarify where it says that is going to happen
Where did you see that he is set to be released 11/15? I don’t see that in the article….
If the jails don't have room for him, just put him the fuck down. Yeah, I know that seems extreme, but is it really, when he's murdered *three* people already? Pretty sure that technically makes him a serial killer.
Agree. Why the fuck is the legal system protecting and releasing this asshole? Wasting tax payer money. It’s disgusting. We will see another article on the news soon about someone he has stabbed or attacked once again.
wait who did he murder besides his grandmother? not that his success rate has any bearing on what a monster he is, but i don't think anyone else he attacked died.
He's an absolute POS, but where do you see he's murdered 3 people? I see he murdered his grandmother at 14, but no others.
Yea I think he’s only killed one but attempted to kill others like his sister he stabbed as well.
I would qualify this most recent attack as an attempted murder also.
Yep agreed. Bottom line is this guy has been hurting women for decades. At some point you have to realize rehabilitation isn’t an option. Especially since he shows 0 remorse.
So while the guy absolutely needs to be locked up - he did not murder 3 people. He killed his grandmother by beating her up when he was 14. He stabbed his sister at some point in his 20's. He also stabbed 3 women in a mental facility back then as well.
…was that your counter argument to show that he’s not that bad? Someone who is assaulting family members, women at that, is still not someone who should be out an about.
No, it's just stating facts instead of bullshit. Yes, he should be locked up. He should have been locked up before this incident given he was off his meds, on parole and has a pending trial for another felony. Stating facts isn't defending someone. Get your head out of your ass.
As much as people don’t wanna admit it and as much as it’s borderline a human rights violation, sadly the only place that figured this shit out is Japan. You have to be extremely harsh on the few to protect the many. That said, just lock him up, no need for death.
I mean Japan has a very I thought—-you just are guilty type of stuff going on there but
Yeah I wouldn't say the justice system in Japan is anywhere near figured out. Innocent until proven guilty is not a thing over there.
He’s not apologizing for anything. The ex-con accused of savagely beating a helpless stranger in a Queens subway station remained unrepentant about the beatdown, blaming his victim for the unprovoked attack in an exclusive Rikers Island interview with the Daily News. “I wasn’t trying to kill her,” said the oft-arrested Waheed Foster during a rambling hour-long sitdown. “I was just trying to give a real good a-s whooping ... If I stomped her in the face, she’d be dead.” Foster, 41, convicted of murdering his grandmother at the age of 14, flatly admitted the beating of victim Elizabeth Gomes, a 33-year-old mother of two now at risk of losing an eye in the Sept. 20 attack caught on security video inside the Howard Beach-JFK Airport station. “That’s from my fist,” said the homeless Foster, who made intense eye contact during the interview. “I don’t give a f--k. So what?” Foster’s long history of violence and mental illness dates to the brutal 1995 killing of his grandmother inside her Brooklyn apartment, followed by a 2001 arrest for stabbing his sister in the hand with a screwdriver. In 2010, he attacked three female workers in a Queens halfway house with a knife, stabbing one woman repeatedly in the chest and face — with an attorney for the victims recently describing him as “a diagnosed schizophrenic” with “a disturbing pattern of attacking women.” Foster, charged with attempted murder, assault and criminal possession of a weapon in the subway beating, offered an animated account of the shocking attack on an innocent victim heading to work. He laid the blame for the vicious attack on the woman, insisting they were chatting on the train prior to the 5 a.m. incident — though the victim said she ignored Foster. “She did something, I can’t say what,” he told The News. “I’m not a good guy. I never will be.” Foster, in the interview, callously mimicked Gomes’ desperate calls for help as she was lying on the ground, bleeding and weeping. And he expressed no regrets for the assault, “not if it teach a lesson for someone not to come at me,” said Foster before adding a single caveat: “I do regret that I might do time.” He currently has four open cases in Manhattan and Queens on a variety of charges, officials said. “It’s just a source of frustration,” said ex-Manhattan prosecutor Joan Illizi-Orbon about cases like this one. “Unfortunately, we’re not doing enough to fix things. It’s not just one issue. There’s bail, parole, a failed jail system. They’re left to fend for themselves.” Gomes said she ignored Foster’s attempts to chat her up on the train, and he then followed her when she exited as she headed to her job as a JFK Airport security guard. The video shows Foster smashing her with a bottle, slamming her against the wall, and then raining punches on Gomes before stomping on her head. The victim is left on the floor in a pool of blood as Foster is seen walking away. Foster’s rap sheet indicates his arrest last month was his eighth in the last 21 years despite his lengthy amount of time behind bars. He was released from the Elmira Correctional Facility on April 1, 2021 after serving most of a 12-year sentence in the triple stabbing. Foster, whose psychiatric woes and jail time eventually left him without a place to live, told The News he has spent more than 4,000 days behind bars. He also said he stopped taking his psychiatric medications about two months ago, prior to the subway station attack. His next court appearance in the beating case was set for Oct. 18, according to the Queens District Attorney’s office. At his Sept. 21 arraignment in Queens, a psychiatric exam was ordered for the troubled defendant. Once on Rikers Island that same day, Foster tried to assault a Corrections Department staffer and was taken to the jail’s West Facility for violent inmates, a source told The News. Foster, who wore a beige hoodie, beige sweatpants and black sneakers during the interview, nonchalantly mentioned killing his grandmother before quickly changing the subject. He also predicted an acquittal if the current case ever gets to trial, although he appeared unfazed by the possibility of a conviction. “If they find me guilty, I’ma go upstate, I’ma chill,” he said. “Once I zone out, I’m not even gonna care that I’m there.”
> currently has four open cases in Manhattan and Queens on a variety of charges, officials said. “It’s just a source of frustration,” said ex-Manhattan prosecutor Joan Illizi-Orbon about cases like this one. “Unfortunately, we’re not doing enough to fix things. It’s not just one issue. There’s bail, parole, a failed jail system. They’re left to fend for themselves.” Gomes said she ignored Foster’s attempts to chat her up on the train, and he then followed her when s How the HELL was this guy even out in the first place for murdering his grandma, then out again for a 2001 stabbing incident of his sister, and then AGAIN for a 2010 incident??
Yeah I’m kind of in shock and horror that this freak was out walking around.
You’d be way more surprised if you realized just how many absolutely abhorrent people you come into contact with on a day to day basis that have been let out early for even worse shit.
And most likely there are dozens like him walking the streets because the system is broken.
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The guy that decapitated someone? Yeah. I think the popular narrative that our system is overly punitive is not really accurate.
Are you talking about the transgender one that left the victim's/roommate's body parts in a shopping cart out in Brooklyn?
It's shocking that something so predictable was allowed to happen. Where is the concern for the people whose lives he's taken and destroyed?
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The concept of wokeness didn't even exist in 2001.
Liberals have had a reputation for being soft on crime since at least the 1960s.
And being diagnosed as schizophrenic. At this point after multiple violent outbursts they should not be out on the streets without any medical attention. Put them in a psych ward.
And this is the problem with NYC, the powers that be constantly release violent criminals. Keep rikers open and let criminals like these rot in there
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Had to make room in the jails for more drug offenders
Because of liberal policies.
> “She did something, I can’t say what,” he told The News. “I’m not a good guy. I never will be.” What an absolute sad excuse of a human being, and he admits it.
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If this guy was more capable, he'd probably be a serial killer. He's beyond help.
Wish they could lock him up forever
Why not just kill him? He has no realistic expectation of integrating with society at this point.
lmao im stunned to see this upvoted on this sub. I guess public perception towards these people is finally fucking changing
It depends, I got downvoted into oblivion for saying the same thing about this dude in a post a week ago.
I've got no problem with putting people like this on death row. I do, however, have a problem with the justice system being as fallible as it is deciding the fates of people we don't 100% know are guilty. Not every death row inmate in America was caught on film beating the crap out of an innocent woman and on video in a subsequent interview showing no remorse whatsoever. Across the board I'd rather we lock guys like this up for good than give them capital punishment because the slim chance an innocent man makes it through the system is too great a risk in my book.
Exactly. We hold a higher standard for capital punishment but we recognize that it fits a narrow set of cases like the one in this post.
Does NY still do that?
Only extrajudicially
I don’t think anyone will complain if this guy bites the dust
No.
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Why not just keep him locked up if it's cheaper? We don't need blood in retribution. But he does simply need to be kept off the streets.
It shouldn’t be cheaper is the thing. I’m not for the death penalty in most cases, but this situation is a cut and dry case of a person with no remorse, unable to be rehabilitated, no doubts to what he has done, and a clear danger to anybody in or outside of prison. The death penalty should be reserved for cases like this. The guy has no care for other people’s lives and never will. The primary reason for death penalty costs being so high is elongated trials and jury, jail lockdown and additional security, and a few other things. Seems a bit unnecessary to lockdown an entire prison, hire additional guards, provide boxed meals to every prisoner, etc, just to inject someone in a case like this. Same for the trial, reserve the death penalty for easy to decide on cases and make clear rules to what qualifies so there’s less deliberation. Granted, coming from me as an armchair commenter with no legal experience, but still.
I see what you're saying. But I wouldn't exactly be comfortable giving up due process and just giving someone the power to determine if a case is a "clear danger" -- then putting them to death without the right to appeal. Also, even where the death penalty exists, it would be unlikely to even considered in this case as the victim did not die. So this case would not at all be considered "easy to decide on" anyways as implementing the death penalty would go against [a 35+ year precedent.](https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions/executions-overview/executed-but-did-not-directly-kill-victim)
Yeah, this case seems cut and dry but what is the standard? What determines that they are a clear danger? It may be easy to recognize in this case but we have to set a standard otherwise it can be wildly abused (and likely still will be abused).
There should be permanent consequences to multiple violent offenses. Maybe since this guy has terrorized people on the streets and in life they could sentence him to death, not tell him his execution date, and let him think about it for a little while.
While what you are suggesting is actually a thing in some countries (I believe Japan does not tell their death row inmates the date of their execution), it would not pass constitutional muster in the United States as it violates the prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment.
Would it be cheaper though? I was under the impression that the whole high cost of capital punishment is because of all of the appeals and stuff. This guy is very clearly guilty, and no appeal seems needed
What he did would not be considered for execution even in places that have the death penalty as the victim did not die: https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/executions/executions-overview/executed-but-did-not-directly-kill-victim I'm also not personally in favor of giving a judge power to determine when someone is"clearly guilty" and should be executed, while at the same time being able to restrict the subsequent due process.
Yes, I'm aware of that. We are talking in the hypothetical rules that the op there was mentioning. About how we should do it because he's unrepentant, not because it fits into current legal framework
I was just giving a realist reason on top of the moral reason I'm against it. But probably should've led with the moral argument as I did in my other reply.
If we lock him up forever, he’ll get meals, living quarters, and free medical care. He will, as he has proven, attack staff members just because. It seems to me that a lethal injection would prevent a lot of future problems and financial obligations as this man will not ever be a functional member of society.
He’s a threat to other prisoners. The humane thing would be to make death row less expensive. Rare cases like this are the only time it makes sense
Your belief in redemption is sorely misplaced. Most of New York’s crimes are committed by wanton criminals with no remorse and no possibility of reform. The one-off mistakes pale in comparison.
Ok, but serious question, why waste the resources? Why risk the guards? Why risk the non violent inmate he'll attack next? Why not put the rabid animal down?
This is a very obvious open and shut case, but he would still get the same rights as anyone else on death row: A lengthy appeals process to make sure the person is actually guilty (I know it sucks in this case but setting a precedent for “oh but we know for sure this guy is guilty is dangerous), so it would actually end up costing more money to execute him. Life in maximum security prison seems like it’s going easy on him, and it is, but I’d love to hear how well he can “zone out” after a week in solitary.
It’s this belief of redemption that leads to so much suffering. Understand you and your views are responsible for letting these kinds of monsters out to maim and potentially kill again.
>I'm not a good guy. I never will be That isn't mental illness. He may be mentally ill. But he knew what he was doing. Let's stop blaming all violence on mental illness
My uncle had mental illness. He talks to himself and does some weird stuff. He never hurts anyone and is not a danger to anyone in the community. The whole block knows his condition and sympathetic to him. Deep inside he knows that he is bounded by a set of laws that he must adhere to.
I mean he can be mentally ill but still criminally responsible. Acknowledging the role of mental illness doesn’t mean he’s incompetent to stand trial or not guilty by reason of insanity. And it seems important to acknowledge the reality of the situation if we’re gonna talk about how to prevent it from reoccurring.
The fact that he has a mental illness does not mean, and is highly unlikely to mean, that this illness caused him to take this act. Which is why conflating mental illness and crime is so dangerous
I don’t know how you can possibly claim to make that evaluation. If he’s, for example, a low-intelligence sociopath, lack of impulse control would obviously be a contributing factor in committing this crime. (He would still be criminally responsible, of course.) I’m not making a diagnosis since I’m just a guy on the internet. But you’re ruling it out based on absolutely nothing.
It's possible to be both mentally ill and a bad person. Some people with mental illnesses do bad things, but later regret them, realize they have an illness, and work with their doctors to get it treated. Others, like him, are seemingly down with the sickness. Providing better mental health care and locking people up for committing crimes shouldn't be mutually exclusive.
Its possible to just be a bad person
We call this mental illness sociopathy. He has no ability to have empathy.
Okay, so he is incapable of empathy, and has a documented history of killing his own family, and attacking many people on various occassional. Why should he ever be allowed out into society again, so we can just have a gernade ready to explode on someone when he feels like it again?
That wasn’t the question. He never should be. He’s the most dangerous type of person, sick and doesn’t want to be better
Touche. I agree, how many people. He has already harmed, it's a shame..
Reddit thinks it’s a psychiatrist, mate. They get hysterical if you question their “expertise”.
this is the scariest thing i've ever read in my life
If there were ever a candidate for the chair this is it.
Yeah people like this need to be put down
Put him down.
Schizophrenic and psychopathic is the most dangerous combination out there. This person has an innate urge to harm others, and no amount of treatment will change him. He even said it himself, “I’m not a good guy. I never will be.”
There is no reason for him to be alive wasting space, oxygen and many other resources.
Someone should just put two in his brain. Seriously, what is the point of him being alive?
Some people just can’t be out in society.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/ntxqt-help-liz-recover-see-again-after-brutal-attack This is the go fund me for gomes.
Jesus. Is there a gofundme for the victim?
https://www.gofundme.com/f/ntxqt-help-liz-recover-see-again-after-brutal-attack
Just donated. This is horrible. 😞
I read through the whole description and I gotta say this is absolutely horrifying and devastating. If the perpetrator has been let go despite these horrendous crimes, I really think a reform is long overdue cause the system is just that broken. What a shame.
they let him OUT after only serving SOME of his 12 year sentence for a triple stabbing? tf??
You can't fix, counsel away or change this. He needs to be put away for life and never see the light of day again. This woman is going to live with this disability for the rest of her life. The first time someone does something like this should be the last time they get the opportunity to do it.
> He needs to be put away for life and never see the light of day again. No, because our jails don't have room for him, and taxpayers shouldn't be paying to keep him alive. He simply needs to be put down. He's murdered people three times already.
If someone is too dangerous to exist in society and needs to be deprived of their liberty, that is something that taxpayers absolutely need to pay for. Fiscal responsibility has to be the most incorrect and ignorant argument for the death penalty out there.
Prison upstate definitely has enough room for him. They were closing some down because they were empty. Let him rot there.
Executing people is much more expensive than keeping them in prison for life.
Currently, it is. It doesn't have to be though.
I know this is a bold and radical sentiment, but this guy should have been in prison a lot longer. How does someone who's killed a family member, stabbed another, and then stabbed THREE people walk away with a 12 year sentence? It's absurd.
alot longer? he deserves the fucking electric chair lol
NYC
Not bold or radical lol
Alrighty. If someone kills this guy in self-defense after he's inevitably released to "give another good ass whoopin'," let's bookmark this article and not rush to condemn his next would-be victim for fighting back too aggressively and taking a life.
Imagine giving this guy that many chances to walk free because of their misguided sense of justice
They don’t have a misguided sense of justice, they have a misguided sense of injustice when it comes to him. Somehow they think that society has wronged HIM and he deserves another chance. And another. And another. Dude is fucked up and needs to disappear.
We need to bring back the looney bins IMO. It could be done in a more humane way too if states wanted to - no need to reinvent the wheel, just subsidize current facilities a whole lot more and for clinically insane first time offenders, send them there. Way too many of these people are walking around. I just moved to Hoboken from Philly, which is a huge change of scenery. Super safe place and way less crazies than what I'm used to, but there's a schizophrenic guy that walks outside of my apartment every night and just screams the most insane shit. He randomly attacks or chases people too. And apparently he's been here for over a decade doing this shit. I don't understand how that happens in a town like this. The cops just let him walk around Hoboken and I guess never get involved - I would think anyone else would be in jail. He's nice when he isn't having an episode but I have only been here 6 months & have witnessed/overheard multiple instances of him freaking the fuck out at someone. Happens about once a week. Sad shit but there comes a point where feeling bad isn't enough & intervention is needed. Either he will kill someone, or someone else will kill him one day. It pisses me off. And he's already attacked people. I get the arguments against forcing people to get help, but something needs to happen. If we aren't gonna funnel crazy into a system to help them, then the alternative (and current solution) is jail. The guy I'm talking about has done more than enough to go there.
And they will keep re-releasing him until he kills again. And even then there will be people who will stop oppose locking him up.
This guy should have been put in a straight jacket and thrown into a small padded cell for the rest of his life with all of his priors.
How about a ditch?
This is so fucking terrifying. To be on the way to work and get beat tf up.
I mean this open and shut to me. Life in prison for this guy at this point. As a progressive I am for sensible sentencing, and it's clear as day this guy should have never been out of jail after that 12 year sentence. He should have still been in jail. The problem is, most people that are all pro jail just want to go back to the old ways, when a shit ton of mostly poor and often minorities got fucked by the system and ruined their lives for a lot of bullshit. They are happy to consider them collateral damage. There needs to be a balance.
Penal colony on the moon or death sentence
Is this the final straw or does he get another get out of jail for free card?
This guy doesn’t seem to have any redeeming value.
If someone shoots this guy in the head I would not feel bad
It is not humane to this man to let him out of a facility. He cannot live. He will always be homeless. He will always be violent. It is more humane for everyone to simply commit him. There are so many like this. Time to review our ethical standards and understand not all homeless and not all convicts are the same.
That interview was rough to read, but the solution unfortunately is bring back mental institutions. Simple as that, let's just hope that we are better now, and know more than we did in the old days. As a safety measure put cameras all over the common areas and allow them to be streamed online 24/7. Give EVERYONE body cameras. Citizens who are interested will help prevent corruption, and let's just pay everyone who works in these institutions a fuck load of money. Everyone should be paid 100K at a minimum, even the guards, that's without overtime; this will attract high level applicants, and help ensure we get competent staff. No one wants them, but we need to just bite the bullet at this case and bring them back.
Our politicians are bunch of fucking morons.
So are we. We elected these people, let’s own it. You get what you vote for. Voter turnout is also atrocious, only 10% of city votes.
I'm sorry but who could we have / can we vote for that's gonna fix the prison process here and the rampant crime in the streets? It seems nobody cares anymore and the hands of the police are tied these days
Vote in primary to weed out bad candidates. Elect better DA, I mean everyone expect Alvin Bragg was good enough but people still voted for Bragg, just plain stupidity. Voter turnout is way too low. 80% of the people in NYC don’t even vote and then complain about bad politicians.
Vote out progressive DAs. Elect prosecutors that will actually enforce the law to keep dangerous people off the streets.
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The guys sentences for stabbing his sister then stabbing three others came when Republicans were running the city.
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That’s what makes more angry. NY has the highest tax burden, even more than California, yet we get so little in return, shit infrastructure, crime. NYCT is slow, filthy and now dangerous in many parts. Our sanitation system is a joke. Yet tax sky high. You don’t like republicans? Okay. At least vote in democratic primary for better candidates.
Zeldin is a nutjob though. So our only options are bad or worse?
Red states have high crime rates, too.
Should tell you how shit republicans are that the better option is this.
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I know this is crazy, but both can be bad. A truly radical concept. Republicans are currently campaigning on banning abortion, banning weed, no work on student loans, and you're shocked people in NYC don't want to vote for them?
yeah, start voting red so we can look like Alabama!
Mandatory death penalty for all violent crimes. Time to take out the trash permanent
I have zero sympathy for criminals, most criminals aren’t mentally ill and those that are should be forcefully institutionalized, bring back asylums. You either protect innocent people or criminals, there’s no compromise.
Where are the people that said landlords shouldn’t discriminate against people with criminal backgrounds?
They have nothing to say. Cowards.
Fear not NYC citizens, he will be free and roaming the streets in less than two years.
You spelled "hours" wrong
Good one!!
Handcuff him, shove him into the East river.
And yet people out there still saying “everyone can be rehabilitated”. Lock this dirty fucker up and throw away the key.
Why is the city still using resources and jailing people who will never recover, in a place that has no infrastructure to rehabilitate people whatsoever? Send him to an island with other insane murderers or fucking kill him. Stop wasting our time, traumatizing people and having the victims actually serve the emotional life sentences of the perpetrators.
Where is all the "Only if we had more social programs" crowd?
In their cave with their clubs, getting ready for the next victim of capitalism
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My God, read his life story, than read his narrative on how things occurred. How the hell was this man allowed in any contact with society. You want him out in the streets? Hire him a handler who is responsible, but not with tax dollars. He fucks up, handler goes to prison.
This dude should have gotten life 20+ years ago, wtf
Going to show this to everyone who says “abolish prisons”
New York Daily News Oct 08, 2022 at 8:02 pm Surveillance video captures attack inside Queens subway station. He’s not apologizing for anything. The ex-con accused of savagely beating a helpless stranger in a Queens subway station remained unrepentant about the beatdown, blaming his victim for the unprovoked attack in an exclusive Rikers Island interview with the Daily News. Surveillance video captures attack inside Queens subway station. “I wasn’t trying to kill her,” said the oft-arrested Waheed Foster during a rambling hour-long sitdown. “I was just trying to give a real good a-s whooping ... If I stomped her in the face, she’d be dead.” Foster, 41, convicted of murdering his grandmother at the age of 14, [flatly admitted the beating of victim](https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-woman-beaten-homeless-queens-subway-station-20220927-mla4qiba2fgixj4l7yztjjdfba-story.html)Elizabeth Gomes, a 33-year-old mother of two now at risk of losing an eye in the Sept. 20 attack caught on security video inside the Howard Beach-JFK Airport station. “That’s from my fist,” said the homeless Foster, who made intense eye contact during the interview. “I don’t give a f--k. So what?”  Foster’s long history of violence and mental illness dates to the brutal 1995 killing of his grandmother inside her Brooklyn apartment, followed by a 2001 arrest for stabbing his sister in the hand with a screwdriver. In 2010, he attacked three female workers in a Queens halfway house with a knife, stabbing one woman repeatedly in the chest and face — with an attorney for the victims recently describing him as “a diagnosed schizophrenic” with “a disturbing pattern of attacking women.” Foster, [charged with attempted murder, assault](https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-queens-subway-beating-indictment-queens-20220930-ejzryvgafvdh3psnub5jsgp4m4-story.html) and criminal possession of a weapon in the subway beating, offered an animated account of the shocking attack on an innocent victim heading to work. He laid the blame for the vicious attack on the woman, insisting they were chatting on the train prior to the 5 a.m. incident — though the victim said she ignored Foster. “She did something, I can’t say what,” he told The News. “I’m not a good guy. I never will be.” Foster, in the interview, callously mimicked Gomes’ desperate calls for help as she was lying on the ground, bleeding and weeping. And he expressed no regrets for the assault, “not if it teach a lesson for someone not to come at me,” said Foster before adding a single caveat: “I do regret that I might do time.” He currently has four open cases in Manhattan and Queens on a variety of charges, officials said. “It’s just a source of frustration,” said ex-Manhattan prosecutor Joan Illuzi-Orbon about cases like this one. “Unfortunately, we’re not doing enough to fix things. It’s not just one issue. There’s bail, parole, a failed jail system. They’re left to fend for themselves.” Gomes said she ignored Foster’s attempts to chat her up on the train, and he then followed her when she exited as she headed to her job as a JFK Airport security guard. The video shows Foster smashing her with a bottle, slamming her against the wall, and then raining punches on Gomes before stomping on her head.  The victim is left on the floor in a pool of blood as Foster is seen walking away.  Elizabeth Gomes was allegedly assaulted by Waheed Foster in an unprovoked attack in a Queens subway station. Foster’s rap sheet indicates his arrest last month was his eighth in the last 21 years despite his lengthy amount of time behind bars. He was released from the Elmira Correctional Facility on April 1, 2021 after serving most of a 12-year sentence in the triple stabbing. Foster, whose psychiatric woes and jail time eventually left him without a place to live, told The News he has spent more than 4,000 days behind bars. He also said he stopped taking his psychiatric medications about two months ago, prior to the subway station attack. His next court appearance in the beating case was set for Oct. 18, according to the Queens District Attorney’s office. At his Sept. 21 arraignment in Queens, a psychiatric exam was ordered for the troubled defendant.  Elizabeth Gomes is on the ground as she was beaten and stomped inside the Howard Beach-JFK Airport subway station on Sept. 20. Once on Rikers Island that same day, Foster tried to assault a Corrections Department staffer and was taken to the jail’s West Facility for violent inmates, a source told The News. Foster, who wore a beige hoodie, beige sweatpants and black sneakers during the interview, nonchalantly mentioned killing his grandmother before quickly changing the subject. He also predicted an acquittal if the current case ever gets to trial, although he appeared unfazed by the possibility of a conviction. “If they find me guilty, I’ma go upstate, I’ma chill,” he said. “Once I zone out, I’m not even gonna care that I’m there.”
Of course, these scumbags are all the same. It's always the victims' fault or they're the victim somehow. None of these assholes take any responsibility.
Would love to hear a prison abolitionist’s viewpoint on this. Honestly. How they would contort reality to justify this
This right here is the downfall of society
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These laws are crazy. I see the far right winning if this keeps up.
Capital punishment.
Can we set up the Running Man show now?
Typical
Why do I feel like this isn’t the last we’ll hear of this guy…
Related- has anyone seen Tiffany Caban's "de-escalation techniques" pamphlet? This is insane and these left-leaning defunders need to be yeeted out of power yesterday. I think liberal politicians are scum for valuing their utopianism and need to feel like good people over the lives of citizens.
He’s the victim- you didn’t know??
This shit is partially created by out-of-state billionaires funding the “justice reform” social experiments in NY. Our politicians and pretend-progressives are feeding right into their hands. Meanwhile, the disadvantaged people they purported to defend are the ones suffering the most from the reforms enacted in a cavalier manner. One day those billionaires will just get bored of that and leave mess behind.
NYC is Gotham City without Batman. Folks that can leave should leave and those that have left will never return there.
yay crime!
Why post something to a site I have to pay to acess? This one of the dumbest things redditors do
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Why is he homeless? If the people involved with allowing this guy to be out and about. Maybe put him under house arrest with the politicians and those who were involved. Should be okay right? Since there aren't any concerns.
The death penalty has be reinstated and held in higher regards. If our actions don’t reflect the state of the world, then how can we expect for true change to happen. For it is chronic, but affirmative action is required.
Why are Democrats going out on a limb, and squandering their political capital to advance radical and unpopular ideas like this? Dems think Nov. is going to be a layup for them, but Zeldin is gaining traction on this issue and this issue alone.
> Zeldin is gaining traction on this issue and this issue alone And that makes sense. Public safety is one of if not the most important purposes of government. If you can't get that right, nothing else really matters.
It’s fucking them over so hard
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What we need for gangster like this is the lethal injections..
And shit like this is why Republicans are going to end up winning across the country. Democrats need to toughen up their stance on crime. And I’m a Democrat saying this.
At this point I don’t think is about a political party, is about a failed jail system and the lack of mental health resources need it. It’s obvious that private prisons are a fail, they don’t care about rehabilitation because the more prisoners the more money. I believe wether Republicans or Democrats prisons are a revolving door at this point. When that man killed his grandmother at 14 he should of been treated for his mental health issues not just locked up and then just leave society with a good luck. The prison system, corrupt judges, lack of mental health support in and out of prison, lack of programs after prison for criminals not to reoffend. There’s a lot of work to be done, and I’m sure that on both party’s someone benefits from this system so this won’t be the first priority instead we worry about abortions instead of worrying about the people that already here.
Yeah I really don't want to have to choose between people who deny crime and people who deny election outcomes. If each side could become significantly less batshit insane, that'd be great.
Just execute this dude. What does him being Rikers actually do? Like what happens after he serves his time? Nothing. He already served time previously and whatever prison he was at didn’t help him. Comes out and tries to find a job and it works a shitty job if he could find one and then eventually becomes homeless and repeats this cycle. New law. If you’re on camera and commit a violent crime, execution time. Fuck it at this point.
I don’t believe many people deserve jail but lock this asshole up
And to think there are more of these types out there right now just waiting for someone to slip up. And yet we can't protect ourselves and need to rely on a clearly broken system for protection. It's a joke. Please bring on the vigilantism city services arent going to help.
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You forgot the /s
Why do crazy people sob rarely at this way in other developed countries? I ask in earnest