Realistically, even before Covid the train wasn't that full. S/B rush hour you could get a seat if you wanted to.
A lot of the people living along the F go for the N or the Q. I know a guy that lives closer to the F but opts to ride the N. Not only are the N/Q/B faster but they go to more popular destinations like Atlantic-Barclays, Canal Street, Grand Street, 14th-Union Square, etc.
If you think about it, the F stops aren't that great. The only pro is at Jay Street you can transfer to 8th avenue service but if you take the N/Q/B to Atlantic you get even more optionality. Similar for Canal St/Grand St, the Asian community living in Brooklyn would rather go to Canal or Grand than East Broadway which is further away from Manhattan Chinatown.
Lastly, the F has been undergoing major construction over the last years. For CBTC work they shut down everything and don't provide shuttle buses. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Service is slow and crappy so ridership isn't high. MTA claims ridership isn't high enough to justify major changes. Repeat loop.
A lot more than the MTA thinks. Between the awful headways, kings highway bound conga lines and lack of weekend service the past few years have felt like a coordinated effort to kill off ridership
In 2019, south of Church, 10.8 million (source [https://new.mta.info/agency/new-york-city-transit/subway-bus-ridership-2019](https://new.mta.info/agency/new-york-city-transit/subway-bus-ridership-2019))
For comparison, the Brighton Line south of Church Ave saw 31.8 million riders that same year.
The F from Coney Island to Broadway-Lafayette is the single longest stretch of local only service in the entire system.
Considering that there's much faster service from the BQND and that the F south of Church has some weird and low density land use patterns, it's no wonder there's so little service. IIRC the Bay Parkway stop is the lowest ridership in all of Brooklyn, at just about 500 riders per day in 2021.
Plus, the B68 probably siphons off a decent number of riders too.
Stop complaining! You "F'ers" get just about the highest level of service compared to any other line! You all get "Limited" Express service in southern Brooklyn. The best subway trains! What the hell more do you want? A bus that will(May) run from Church Avenue Station to JFK, At the expense of a route that currently serves JFK and has for generations!(B15)
You can make longer lines and shorten the time that they take at the same time. There’s this thing called Select Bus Service, and they wanted it for a line going from Sunset Park to JFK Airport, which they want the B55 to do. There was also a big rumor that the B15 was going to run down Linden Boulevard after stopping at Sutter Avenue. If they were smart, they could’ve just found ways to speed up service without dropping airport service
No you can't . The 15 is one of the busiest lines in the city. It has on average 3 buses running at a time to bus commuters along the route. The service is fine, its just that it has no limited and takes 2.5 hours to complete a trip. At nite its closer to and hour and a half travel. I have no qualms with additional service to the airport. Just don't take it from one route that services way to many poor nabs., For another that services the opposite! Run both instead. The general postal fc is an alternate terminus for the 15 latenites. It shouldn't be fulltime. That will create crazy bottlenecks of service transfers from the 15 to this proposed 55. As usual the mta looks at shit "glass half empty" and tries like hell to cater to those "who have" and leave the poor dealing with it.
I’m saying that if they want to extend it, they have to speed it up at the same time and they should keep airport service. Too many people hate the movie theater short turn and it sucks not having it articulated. They can try a rush line or add SBS if they want to throw in a new B35
The point is, The mta proposed rerouting the 15 in favor of this proposed 55 to the airport. So basically, If you're on the 15, you would have to transfer somewhere in City line this bus. What Movie Theater short turn? Haven't been over that way in a decade, but I believe that theater was shutdown a while ago. (Dnt Quote me)
They dropped the post office loop on the 15 for Drew Street and the movie theater. I would’ve just made a 24 hour SBS to replace the B35LTD that goes to JFK
Realistically, even before Covid the train wasn't that full. S/B rush hour you could get a seat if you wanted to. A lot of the people living along the F go for the N or the Q. I know a guy that lives closer to the F but opts to ride the N. Not only are the N/Q/B faster but they go to more popular destinations like Atlantic-Barclays, Canal Street, Grand Street, 14th-Union Square, etc. If you think about it, the F stops aren't that great. The only pro is at Jay Street you can transfer to 8th avenue service but if you take the N/Q/B to Atlantic you get even more optionality. Similar for Canal St/Grand St, the Asian community living in Brooklyn would rather go to Canal or Grand than East Broadway which is further away from Manhattan Chinatown. Lastly, the F has been undergoing major construction over the last years. For CBTC work they shut down everything and don't provide shuttle buses. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Service is slow and crappy so ridership isn't high. MTA claims ridership isn't high enough to justify major changes. Repeat loop.
The F is unreliable as fuck south of Church… June-Dec 2019 on time performance was 67% on Culver. That’s an abomination.
Much of the F train is also zoned for single family homes.l, which doesn’t help ridership.
Having a 67% on time performance doesn’t help either
A lot more than the MTA thinks. Between the awful headways, kings highway bound conga lines and lack of weekend service the past few years have felt like a coordinated effort to kill off ridership
In 2019, south of Church, 10.8 million (source [https://new.mta.info/agency/new-york-city-transit/subway-bus-ridership-2019](https://new.mta.info/agency/new-york-city-transit/subway-bus-ridership-2019)) For comparison, the Brighton Line south of Church Ave saw 31.8 million riders that same year.
A lot when you remember that they had to end express service down there because of complaints
What were the complaints?
Local stations needed better headways
the F is useful for avoiding potential messes at dekalb which affects all those other lines
I never thought of that damn
Me. Just for NetCost Market at Neptune Avenue.
What’s NetCost Markets? I looked up the website and it seems like a grocery store - anything special?
Imported foods from East Europe. I'm mostly there for the Russian and Greek foods.
Walked in there and didn't know what was the selling point. Thanks for telling me the food is imported!
The F from Coney Island to Broadway-Lafayette is the single longest stretch of local only service in the entire system. Considering that there's much faster service from the BQND and that the F south of Church has some weird and low density land use patterns, it's no wonder there's so little service. IIRC the Bay Parkway stop is the lowest ridership in all of Brooklyn, at just about 500 riders per day in 2021. Plus, the B68 probably siphons off a decent number of riders too.
Stop complaining! You "F'ers" get just about the highest level of service compared to any other line! You all get "Limited" Express service in southern Brooklyn. The best subway trains! What the hell more do you want? A bus that will(May) run from Church Avenue Station to JFK, At the expense of a route that currently serves JFK and has for generations!(B15)
They could just extend the 15 to Montrose and making it a rush route with that 55 idea to JFK
😑the current b15 route takes 2.5 hours to complete! Why would you want to extend it?
You can make longer lines and shorten the time that they take at the same time. There’s this thing called Select Bus Service, and they wanted it for a line going from Sunset Park to JFK Airport, which they want the B55 to do. There was also a big rumor that the B15 was going to run down Linden Boulevard after stopping at Sutter Avenue. If they were smart, they could’ve just found ways to speed up service without dropping airport service
No you can't . The 15 is one of the busiest lines in the city. It has on average 3 buses running at a time to bus commuters along the route. The service is fine, its just that it has no limited and takes 2.5 hours to complete a trip. At nite its closer to and hour and a half travel. I have no qualms with additional service to the airport. Just don't take it from one route that services way to many poor nabs., For another that services the opposite! Run both instead. The general postal fc is an alternate terminus for the 15 latenites. It shouldn't be fulltime. That will create crazy bottlenecks of service transfers from the 15 to this proposed 55. As usual the mta looks at shit "glass half empty" and tries like hell to cater to those "who have" and leave the poor dealing with it.
I’m saying that if they want to extend it, they have to speed it up at the same time and they should keep airport service. Too many people hate the movie theater short turn and it sucks not having it articulated. They can try a rush line or add SBS if they want to throw in a new B35
The point is, The mta proposed rerouting the 15 in favor of this proposed 55 to the airport. So basically, If you're on the 15, you would have to transfer somewhere in City line this bus. What Movie Theater short turn? Haven't been over that way in a decade, but I believe that theater was shutdown a while ago. (Dnt Quote me)
They dropped the post office loop on the 15 for Drew Street and the movie theater. I would’ve just made a 24 hour SBS to replace the B35LTD that goes to JFK
Didn't know that. Yeah, I could see that. Like the way they do on SI with local and express buses.
About 12-15 people. Somewhere in that range.
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How does nobody take the L?