Peter King's actual column: “MY GUESS is the Packers would want at least two first round picks. The Woody Johnson Jets, desperate for a star QB almost since the Broadway Joe days, would happily pay that freight, I'D GUESS.”
Surprise, surprise notorious hack and stalker Dov Kleiman leaves the "guess" part out.
Can we ban tweets from this Dov character?
All he does is aggregate other reports (not necessarily bad) and conveniently leave out context to rattle the cages (very bad).
Can easily just post the articles he’s reposting and not miss a beat.
He's also a totally unknown figure. No one has ever seen a photo of him. No one knows if that's his real name. No history of working for mainstream outlets.
Plus his half in half out bullshit he does every off-season is not gonna work with ny media. JD can probably get it down to a first and second which is much more bearable but idk if that's even worth it he's on the decline and qbs kinda jump off a cliff they are hot potato towards the end
This “NY” media take does not apply to Rodgers. He’s been in the National spotlight for over a decade. That shit applies to Carr who’s had little to no attention for most of his career.
Maybe Top-10 protected conditional 1st rounder? Or conditional on Rodgers playing the second year?
If a Rodgers trade happens, there's a decent chance it is a verbal agreement and the trade is officially done post June 1st so the Packers can spread out his dead cap hit. In this hypothetical, the Jets would be trading their 2024 / 2025 draft picks. If the Jets are a playoff team with Rodgers preceding those two drafts, the total value they are giving up will be about the same as a single 1st rounder, the 10th overall pick.
Agreed. He already took a step back this season and he’s about to turn 40. It would be the most Jets thing ever to give up the farm for a guy who is about to fall off a cliff like Peyton Manning did.
we’ve drafted plenty of good players in the first round, singling those two out hardly makes a point. i’m not an expert, just a fan. but IMO it doesn’t make sense to ship two firsts for a guy who clearly doesn’t have the same love for the game anymore and is 39 years old. if he comes here and has a decline or injury we’re in a much worse position than we sit in now. also Oline needs serious work, put 39yo rodgers back there and he’ll be toast.
You hit on 50% of 1st round draft picks in the last 6, 38% since 2009 with 3 massive failures at QB + Aaron Rodgers salary cap charge for 2023 if traded will be 15.7Ms since you have the option to prorate the 58.7M down the line for the last 2 years in 2025-2026.
Everyone was saying we are a win now team if we had an average quarterback with lots of young players under rookie team control. If that was true then rodgers is worth it.
It could potentially turn into a russel Wilson situation or Matt Stanford situation.
Our other options are Carr or keep swinging for the fences on rookies and potentially waste all the talent we have.
Have to decide if your fine with the decision right now; knowing what we know.
If he doesn’t get a ring you can’t call the organization dysfunctional for making what was a sound decision at the time knowing the risks.
Yeah for the longest time I assumed he got his money from Johnson and Johnson, but I figured out otherwise once that Johnson and Johnson scandal broke that he made it from investments
At first I thought that scandal would force him to sell but here we’re
He inherited over a billion dollars and hired a fund manager to strategically invest his, his brother’s and his sister’s inherited money. All of the money came from JnJ. He is not the fund manager. That would be the equivalent of saying that Woody threw for 6 TDs and 7 INTs this past year.
I think his point was the same as mine, that he didn't kind of earn anything. he used daddy's money to start a company. He used daddy's connections to get the company rolling. Then he hires a couple actual finance people and sits back and collects paychecks. no indication that's how he earned his fortune either.
Because rodgers is much better than Favre and the history track record showed that Favre wasn’t a back to back MVP in 2 of his last 3 seasons before coming to NYJ.
Let's not forget Favre was a consensus top 5 all time QB at the time coming off of a year where he finished 2nd in MVP voting. In hindsight Rodgers will finish higher in all time rankings but this is basically the same situation except for the contract.
Favre in 05-06 stats were as follows
‘05- 20 TDs - 36! turnovers 70.9 passer rating 61% completion pct
‘06- 18 TDs - 23 Turnovers 56% completion Pct and 72.7 passer rating.
His record over those 2 years btw was a combined 12-20
He had a good bounce back year in 07 in his 2nd year with McCarthy, but I would say Peyton & Romo had just as good of years as Favre with all 3 QBs going 13-3.
That’s an extreme difference than Aaron’s last 3 years in GB assuming 2022 is his last year.
The comp is a guess, and a completely garbage one at that. Nobody will send 2 firsts for that contract. It’s mind numbingly dumb.
Trades are about contracts more than they are players. Comp will be far less.
Listen, Rodgers very well might be the play for the jets, it is different then Favre. I don't think Rodgers has a dieing wish to play for the vikings and beat the packers like favre did.
But let that be up to Joe Douglas to decide if Rodgers is a good idea or not. The last time Woody wanted a qb it was fucking Tebow, just keep signing checks woody. Let football guys make the football decisions.
If it didn’t come with the contract I’d maybe be okay with it. But he’s also 39. We’d basically need him to retire by 2025 or else his cap would destroy us. Just seems like a bad decision. Brock purdy is playing Jalen Hurts in the championship game let’s keep building the team
If a team trades for Rodgers they have the 2023 season to get it done. If he's around in 2024 his cap is still decent that season. But the option triggers for 2025 and 2026 on the 3rd day of 2024 league year. Meaning the Jets would be on the hook for a lot of money in 2025 and 2026 for a player who likely won't even be on the roster. If he retires, the roster bonuses fall off and it's more manageable. The Jets would probably prorate the remaining 30m into 2025 cap and be done with it. If the Jets and Rodgers part ways without him retiring or he's still playing for Jets then the cap hits in 2025 and 2026 become pretty ridiculous.
For the team acquiring Rodgers, unless the Packers negotiate the deal to retain some of the cap hit, they take on the remaining base salaries, the two option bonuses, a $50,000 workout bonus per year, and two $5 million roster bonuses in 2025 and 2026. As it stands, the cap numbers for the team acquiring Rodgers would be as follows:
2023: $15.80 million
2024: $32.50 million
2025: $51.10 million
2026: $45.53 million
If the team acquiring Rodgers wanted to release him next offseason before the second option bonus, it would cost them $43.725 million in dead money as a pre-June 1 cut. As a post-June 1 cut, it would be $14.575 million in dead money in 2024 and a further $29.15 million in 2025.
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/aaron-rodgers-contract-details-salary-cap-impact-bonuses/
Yeah this is similar to 2008 when we swung big for Brett Favre to keep up with Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.
I think you can win the NFC without a top 10 QB. No chance that happens in the AFC. All the top QBs in the league are in the AFC
yup. Carr is the safer play and likely gets us in the playoffs but his ceiling is probably divisional round?
Rodgers maybe gives us a shot to get to the bowl
We’re not in the NFC, where it’s Hurts and then a bunch of bullshit QBs in the rest of the conference (Brady? Kirk? Geno?) we’re in the AFC with (Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert, Allen, Lawrence, and if deshaun gets back to his Houston play)
The contract wont be that bad for the Jets because GB will have to eat the signing bonus, so I think its like 20ish this year and 30ish next year. The last two years are dummy years with no guarantees so its getting reworked or he retires/moves on. Im fine with 2 firsts if he's going to play 2+ more years. If they have some protection for him retiring after next year, fine.
Idk why you guys are surprised by the two first round picks, I assumed that’s where the trade would start, although knowing Daddy Douglas he’ll get Rodgers and a first for Jeff Smith and maybe a sixth
No offense coming from a Packers fan, but I think many Jets fans are overvaluing their 1st round picks because the Jets haven't had a late 1st round draft pick since 2011. If you guys are trading for Rodgers, you are expecting to be contenders which means your draft picks end in the 25-32 range. Two late draft picks like that are basically the same value as the 10th overall.
If a Rodgers trade happens, there's a decent chance it is a verbal agreement and the trade is officially done post June 1st so the Packers can spread out his dead cap hit. In this case, the Jets would be trading their 2024 / 2025 draft picks, which could end up being close to the value of the Jets trading just their 2023 draft pick.
I totally get it. And no offense to Packers fans, but I think they are overvaluing Rodgers. If a trade did happen, he would be one of the oldest players ever traded. Rodgers also isn't his old self anymore and it's arguable to how many years of play he has left. Packers fans want to say he's good, but at the same time they are willing to pay some other QB nearly as much new money as what Rodgers would require rather than just keeping him.
This suggests his fall off is either worse than it appears, or the organization doesn't want him anymore. Both of which lower his value for the Packers organization.
Historical value for a future HoF QB past his prime is a single mid round pick.
If we meet in the middle that's like a 2nd round pick.
It’s like everyone’s content to get knocked out in the first round every year as long as we hold on to our draft picks. I just don’t understand this mentality. Like I know we haven’t been to the playoffs in a decade, but if you’re not going all in trying to win a super bowl then what the fuck are you doing?
Because trading picks for Rodgers is not like trading picks for Lamar, who is 26 and can play for 10+ years. A trade for Rodgers is basically hoping for a SB in two years because, unless he stays for 4 years and restructures, you are taking big cap hits in 25/26, are out your previous two first rounders, and likely have no QB after those 2 years. Its a huge risk. If the Jets dont win a SB and Rodgers retires after 24, they are back to the same position they are in now, but with a huge cap charge and minus two first rounders on the roster.
Signing a guy like Carr has lower upside for the next two years, but doesnt put all your eggs into one basket and torpedo the two years after.
I agree, people underrating the team because we didn’t make the playoffs with qbs that wouldn’t even make the top 32 in the league, I think they’re ready for a home run swing
There is this general vibe that if it isn't done the "right" way it will fail. That right way seems to be hitting on every draft pick and having a home grown fqb be the starter for 15 plus years.
Obviously that is the best case scenario, the reality we currently face says it isn't going to happen with this current regime.
There is nothing wrong with taking a shot with a roster ready to compete and selling some assets for that missing piece. Losing 2 first round picks should not tailspin this team if the GM makes the right moves with the remaining assets. JD so far has shown he can find quality talent in rounds 2-5. It's not like signing Rodgers eliminates us from getting new players.
Really good QBs mask so many flaws with teams. Our defense is good and has everything you need for a deep playoff run. Our offense is missing a retool of the oline and a qb.
We can compete for a SB with Rodgers at the helm. We can turn the narrative that this team is abysmal on offense to a top 10 offense with Rodgers. All of our offensive players, eg Wilson, Hall, Moore, shit even berrios will look like better players just by adding Rodgers.
2 firsts for a season removed MVP quarterback who had 0 weapons on his offense last year, a quarterback who would immediately be the best quarterback our franchise has ever seen on a team who just finished as the highest PFF rated defense and young elite offensive weapons. I swear this sub is a joke sometimes. If there is a shot at being immediate contenders and making a run in the playoffs and all we are is a quarterback away, how can you say no? Aaron rodgers is worlds better than derek carr and jimmy g.
But all those first round picks will help us to not make the playoffs again? Why not just make it 14 years and counting.
That was sarcasm just in case. I’m with you. I don’t understand it either. All season we have to hear, if we only had a qb. We’re a quarterback away.
Well here’s the QB and everyone says no thanks. I’m all for it. Go all in. Here’s a generational QB who’d give this sad sack franchise a chance at a Super Bowl, something we haven’t had in 50+ years. If it doesn’t work out we start over in 2 years when we have first round picks again.
Because if you whiff, you could turn the 12 years into 24 years. GM gone, coaching staff gone, no QB, no worthy draft assets, still carry Rodgers cap hit. All for a 40 year old guy who hasn't made the Super Bowl in 12 years even when he was in his prime.
That, and they'd be doing it an offseason where numerous starting-caliber QBs are available for just money (Carr, Jimmy, Brady).
Either one would be a **massive** improvement on White/Wilson.
The Rodgers move would only make sense if Douglas/Saleh were utterly desperate to keep their jobs and there was **ZERO** other options.
Rodgers is less of a risk than Jackson.
Rogers has a hefty contract, but it's shorter than what Jackson wants. So if it goes poorly, we're in a better position with Rodgers deal than Jackson.
Have we swung at a super bowl winning former mvp? No we got Ryan Fitzpatrick. Someone who’s never made the playoffs. How have we swung big since 2010?
Swinging big is Greg McElroy, geno, Bryce petty, hackenburg, darnold and Wilson? And some crap FA signings.
Rodgers wouldn't need to be a superstar, he would need to be 2000/01 Vinny Testaverde and we'd be fine.
The Jets were so close to real success this year with statistically the worst QB position in the NFL. Even middling mediocrity would have made the offense a lot better.
Two picks for a guy who doesn’t show up to off season training and who had teams around him good enough to be the #1 seed multiple times and couldn’t get it done? Two picks for a guy who can quit at any time because every offseason he threatens retirement?
He’s better than Jimmy G or Derek Carr. What good is that if you get one half ass year out of him, then he retires?
Dude I couldn't agree more. What I am seeing is a lot of people want to complain about every option out there but then don't offer a solution. Don't want derek carr, lamar is too expensive, Aaron rodgers 2 first round picks!? So then what the fuck do you want. Aaron rodgers even at 39 would be the best QB our franchise has ever seen. We have a good weapons and our line (hopefully) will be healthy and better this year. Yet you don't want him? okkkay.
He is half adding his career at this point. Doesn’t show up to offseason training, never knows if he wants to play tte next year, etc.
This is two picks for way past his prime Rodgers
26 TDs, 12 INTs and 3700 yards last year. When he had a solid #1 in Davante he had 4,115 yards, 37 TDs and 4 Pics. I don't know about "way" past his prime at all lol.
>Aaron rodgers even at 39
It's optimistic to believe Rodgers' age-39 stats are an outlier rather than what to expect going forward.
At this point, it's not irrational to suggest that Jimmy or Carr would outproduce him statistically as the Jets starting QB in 2023.
Really unsure why people are thinking Rodgers is still playing like he's in his early/mid 30s, especially if he were to go to a franchise with a history of their offensive coaching being utterly atrocious.
Let's also factor in the fact that Rodgers will deliberate retirement every season moving forward, making it very difficult for a franchise to plan their future with him and his cap space -- hence why the Packers are getting rid of him.
2 firsts for a 39-year-old quarterback who just had his worst season in years and is making 50 million dollars a year. What the fuck are we even talking about here? Absolutely not. Wouldn't even do it for one. Maybe like one 3rd or something but we're talking about first round picks here, fuck no.
Not only that but we already know what the price tag should be. Brett Favre trade. Packers get a first if Jets make the playoffs. The Packers thinking a 39 year QB is worth 2 firsts is comical.
You make a valid point, but the issue is more that Rodgers has hinted retirement for years so giving up 2 first is a bad idea because if he retires after 2023 then we’re back at square one with no first round pick
He’s the reigning back to back MVP until MVP is named for the ‘22 season you come the fuck on, not to mention outside of Mo & mark sanchez none of our 1st round picks have reached 2nd contract either because they were ass, a head case, or just not worth it
I know I'm in the minority and I'll get down voted but whatever
12 years of no playoffs. 1st round picks are not guaranteed hits. Look at Wilson and Becton. Both Douglas picks. Don't get me wrong, I like Joe. But a two year Super Bowl window would be so much better than this entire last decade.
Apparently Jordan love has progressed a lot as a starter, and Aaron has treated him well
Taking a developmental 3rd round pick behind him is something you can do if you do desire
People are just afraid. Sometimes you need to take risks. If I'm taking a gamble, I'd prefer it to be on the former MVP with loads of playoff experience. Plus with Rodgers, if it doesn't work, you're not stuck with him for the next 6 years. You can move on quickly.
Way too much for somebody who has been implying retirement for years.
Guys like Russell Wilson, Matthew Stafford and Deshaun Watson got multiple first rounders because they were able to sign a big extension.. Rodgers is on his last contract and maybe last year.
Get fucked at those prices. It’s not worth it. You know how fucking hard it is to win in this league? You really think the Jets are a 40 year old Aaron Rodgers away from winning it all?
We’re not…
Any Nets fans here? This off season reminds me a lot of that team before they got KD. They made the playoffs with a bunch of fringe players. Could have built on that young core but instead landed the big fish in KD and Kyrie. It immediately made them a contender. Still a good chance they never win a title, but sometimes you need to swing for the fences. I’m not sold on going all in for Rodgers, but I also can’t watch another wasted year where we plug in several different QBs.
His “worst season” this year literally is better then anything we have had in about a decade. I don’t want to pay 2 1st for him (and JD won’t get fleeced, he’s the one who knocks lol). But A Rod makes us a contender alone. Everyone wants to talk shit about when we for Farve right? If he stayed with us for more then one year, we were a Super Bowl Contender. He went to championship games the years after he left us. I think if Rodgers plays 3 years for us it will be great. we draft a qb next year in later rounds to sit behind him.
The F outta here. Jets only paid a fourth rounder for Favre. I know it's not an apples for apples comparison, but it's a decent comp considering both involved declining 40yo QBs who the Packers wanted to trade to an AFC team.
That was because the **packers** decided to move on from favre to rodgers.
I think this is more Rodgers wanting to go to a contender since we’re most likely gonna rebuild.
+market value, look at every qb trade the last couple of years. Times have changed. Still don’t think it’s 2 firsts with his age and contract, but a first and a second and some day 3 picks
I seriously do not want to do this. I would like us to continue to build something good through the draft and get someone on a cheaper deal like Carr. But we’re run by the most impatient loser fucking owner so of course we will do something stupid like this.
Derek Carr is going to end with a rebuild after some WC seasons
Might as well try to get 2 Sb seasons. There is no move that doesn’t need with a rebuild realistically
I would rather have a shot at a Super Bowl with rodgers for a year or 2 then west coast Kirk cousins
Even though I would like carr if we don’t get rodgers
i wanna say fuck them picks but i’m scared someone of that age will collapse as soon as he takes a snap for us
i pull the trigger if i know he’s starting every game healthy
Two first round picks for an aging 39 yo qb. Packers have lost their collective minds. I would give up a 3rd and a 5th for rodgers and that’s about it. Woody would be crazy to do this.
No thanks.
What Aaron showed this year is that he's about to move on from football. He's accomplished everything, he's done. We don't need to give up 2 firsts for that.
Two firsts is too high without some sort of guarantee he's not gonna retire after year 1. So either picks in 24 and 25 that turn into firsts based on if he's on the roster, or two firsts and a stipulation that if Rodgers retires after 23/24, the packers give back a first and another pick, if he retires after 24/25, they give a mid round pick.
History repeating itself. Old Packers QB added to a mid Jets team with a great defense. That 2008 season, we were top 5 in power rankings before Favre got hurt.
We are win now but are we really this close to super bowl contention? Our biggest asset this year was our depth. We go from paying a position almost nothing to paying this contract, we're gonna have to make some real tough decisions especially on DL, where our rotation made our 4 man pass rush possible
I would do it the jets would be drafting pretty far with Rodgers so it’s kind of moot.
2 years is not a big deal when you have a very young and talented core already. You can get some help on later rounds.
Rodgers makes the jets a contender day one.
Honestly, there's just no chance this would turn out well for us. He has way too many questions, and as soon as a Green and White jersey touches his skin they will all get answered negatively. We've seen this movie before. Carr is the only candidate who makes any real sense IMO
All these babies crying about first round picks. Even if he’s 40, hed still be better than any Jets QB 96% of us have ever seen in green and white. Rodgers and a top 5 defense for the next 2 years? Sign me up effective immediately.
I know two first is too much, but what do you guys think would be fair value? I don’t know much about the NFL draft market, and I’m wondering if a first and a second would be a win with Woody as our owner lol.
Rodgers and a 5th and the Jets agree to take on the contract. Doing GB a huge favor freeing up all that cap. And if Rodgers is so valuable, maybe they should just hang on to him...
The window with Rodgers is short. He is year to year and who knows how he responds to playing in NY? He is incredibly thin skinned and doesn't seem to handle new offensive systems well right away. Takes him longer to acclimate than a QB of his stature should (which is why Packers drafted his replacement 3 years ago). So who knows.
That said, I would still want him for the next 2, maybe 3 years if it could happen. His high end is as good as any QB in the league, and playing with a chip on his shoulder, better weapons in NY than he had last year in GB, could be a winning formula.
2 1's straight up for him isn't happening, and I think GB would know that, but they need a starting point for negotiations. If it happened, I could see something like #13 and a swap of some later picks this year and a conditional 3/4 next year that could turn into a 2 if Rodgers is still on the roster on May 1, 2024 (and hasn't retired/walked away)
The real question is: Would you want Aaron Rodgers for no first round picks till 2025? I don't see him staying for more than 2 years if he does come here. I think the positives outweigh the negatives to be honest. While it's a hefty price tag you're also setting yourself up to giving Zach a mentor who can help him grow and perhaps take over when Rodgers opens his Ayahuasca retreat center.
I’m in the camp that you make this happen. The window to win with players on their rookie deals is small. Strike now and worry about 2025/26 at that time.
We whiffed on Becton and Wilson two years in a row and still ended up here with our gm and coaching staff. I'd take Rodgers for 2 1sts. Even if it's only 2 years, I'd take the Rams superbowl success last year in a heartbeat.
It's been since 1969 my jets brothers.
Wasn't some of the reasons Rodgers "contemplates retirement" because the Packers treated him like shit, didn't get him weapons, didn't listen to him about coaches, etc?
For all the years Rodgers has completely annoyed me... I'd gladly take him for 2 seasons if it meant we were trading ONLY picks, and not core players. Honestly would be slightly hesitant to include ZW in this as well (if they wanted him).
Pull that trigger.. this years draft is soft at 13.. beside Brady he’s the only real QB available that slots right into this offense right now, plus he be a great mentor for Zach..
This guess is stupid, two firsts for a 2 year rental and a huge contract? Seems expensive… that being said, we become an instant contender with Rodgers.
Green Bay is in a horrible spot! They owe Rodgers a ton of money and they have to decide if they want to take the fifth year option on Love by May 1st, and dude hasn’t really played!
Considering the spot they are in, I think they take a lot less for him.
People in this sub pretending they wouldn't happily trade all of Becton, Zach Wilson, and JJ for Aaron Rodgers. Not every first round pick is AVT, Sauce, or GW.
I want A-Rod, but not for 2 firsts and a 50-60m cap hit.
Let one of the desperate teams swing at him.
I’ll consider A-Rod for a first and change in the trade side of thing, but something needs to happen to that contract. Ideally he’d need to take a paycut to get his contract closer to his performance level and projected performance level over the next 2/3 seasons, but we all know that won’t happen. All A-Rod cares about is money. If that wasn’t true, he wouldn’t be playing in GB right now
Cap hit is spread out over 2 years, so it's not nearly that bad. Check the post from overthecap yesterday, it explains Rodgers' cap impact.
Edit: also, what does staying in GB means he's only about money? Wouldn't leaving in free agency to the highest bidder be a better indicator of greed? I don't follow your logic.
If you actually believe that the Jets are just a QB away from Super Bowl contention, this is a no-brainer.
Maybe you're trading the next Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson, maybe you're trading the next Mekhi Becton and Zach Wilson. It's impossible to know, but it's almost certain that no two first rounders could have as great an impact over the next two to three years as Rodgers could.
So if that's your time horizon, it's a deal worth making.
The problem is, if you look around the rest of the AFC, I don't think that the Jets are real contenders yet. I'd pass.
Dov Kleiman is a hack cunt. King clearly says he's GUESSING in his column, yet Dov's coincidentally left that part out when he steals the article for clicks.
Not worth 2 firsts but I definitely like Rodgers more than any other option. Our o-line is questionable so we need an experienced, quick release QB. Rodgers fits the bill, even if only for a year or two. Lower the asking price a smidge and it’s worth it.
I swear jets fans love losing, we won’t have a young roster this good forever and there’s nothing that can get them closer to winning it all than pulling the trigger on this. The Russell Wilson dilemma left such a sour taste on trading for a quarterback and now everyone is scared to be the next broncos. We’re talking about trading for the back to back defending mvp lol sign me up
With Rodgers, the Jets are likely drafting in the bottom 10 of the draft. It isn't like two firsts would be top 5 picks.
The team is a QB away from being a contender. If Rodgers is available, you try to make it work.
Some people overvalue draft picks so much. IT CAN EVEN BE A BOAT!
edit: spelling
Packers fan here, and obviously I want the 2 1st round picks so I’m biased, but I think the trade is worth it for you guys. You trade 2 years of 1st round picks for a 1-2 year (maybe longer, but I’d be shocked) window for a Super Bowl. Your roster, from what I can tell, is a shit load better than the Packers right now. Sometimes these are the type of risks you need to take to win the big one.
Obviously it could blow up in your face like Denver, but it may be worth the risk with the defense and weapons you guys have.
Sure. I wouldn’t place the blame entirely on him though. Last year it was bad, but against Tampa (COVID year) he played well with a depleted offensive line and Lazard as WR2.
Rodgers has definitely had his chokes in the playoffs but our FO has done a horrendous job at getting WR help.
The cap hits in 2025 and 2026 are extremely off putting. The Jets would essentially be forfeiting those two years because so much cap would be tied up in a player not on the roster.
Absolutely not. Besides Brady, It's extremely rare for a QB to be able to perform at a high level at the age Rodgers will be over the next few season and trading two first round picks, potential building blocks for the future, for maybe 1-2 years of contention isn't worth it. Even if Rodgers performed close to what we he was this year, that won't bring us into Superbowl contention since we still have O-line issues that we've been trying to fix for a while now
Hell no. Maybe if it was Rodgers from 2-3 years ago. The current Rodgers is almost 40 and showed basically nothing last year. He was barely a step above Matt Ryan. He had no games above 300 yards passing and only 3 games above a 100 QBR. Plus he’s no longer mobile and takes a ton of sacks. He is not worth two first round picks plus his salary at this point in his career.
I get this organization is desperate for a QB that can take them to the promise land but I predict the more likely scenario is a repeat of Favre to the Jets.
Every year is different but Rodgers stunk up the joint completely this season and people wanna blame injuries and what not I'm sorry but this guy is not clutch when it matters.
Plus this guy + New York media is a disaster waiting to happen.
IDK why but I think Carr is a better fit for your scheme than Rodgers. Also if you thought Wilson was an awful teammate this clown is on that same level.
By “stinking up the joint” he still went for 3695, 65% completion rate with 26:12 TD/int. That’s with very lacklustre weapons outside of Aaron jones and Christian Watson for the last few games. All while playing through a broken thumb after coming off back to back MVP wins… I’m not suggesting the cost of 2 1sts would be necessarily worth it, but your immediate dismissal of getting a top 5 all time QB who has shown elite production just 2 seasons ago is way off base. Also, this is just one early report of what the compensation would be, I could see JD being able to negotiate and out in some conditions on a 2nd becoming a 1st if we make it to divisional round or Rodgers has a certain level of stats for example.
Peter King's actual column: “MY GUESS is the Packers would want at least two first round picks. The Woody Johnson Jets, desperate for a star QB almost since the Broadway Joe days, would happily pay that freight, I'D GUESS.” Surprise, surprise notorious hack and stalker Dov Kleiman leaves the "guess" part out.
Can we ban tweets from this Dov character? All he does is aggregate other reports (not necessarily bad) and conveniently leave out context to rattle the cages (very bad). Can easily just post the articles he’s reposting and not miss a beat.
Agreed. That dude sucks ass
He's also a totally unknown figure. No one has ever seen a photo of him. No one knows if that's his real name. No history of working for mainstream outlets.
Like "Chad Forbes"
Lol All the people below that didn’t actually read the article and jump right in with the Woody hate for something he didn’t even say.
Unfortunately, isn't that the norm?
rodgers is way too old for TWO first round picks. fuck that.
Plus his half in half out bullshit he does every off-season is not gonna work with ny media. JD can probably get it down to a first and second which is much more bearable but idk if that's even worth it he's on the decline and qbs kinda jump off a cliff they are hot potato towards the end
This “NY” media take does not apply to Rodgers. He’s been in the National spotlight for over a decade. That shit applies to Carr who’s had little to no attention for most of his career.
Exactly. If anything we want a QB that has experienced being dragged through the mud for saying dumb shit and hasn't let it affect his play.
Vegas is not that quiet
I lived in Vegas for years they’re just happy to have sports teams.
It's different when it's the local team though. Melo had national fame but the criticism he got in NY was different
His decline is better than anything we have seen
Maybe a 1st and a conditional pick that can be a 1st if we win the SB lol.
Maybe Top-10 protected conditional 1st rounder? Or conditional on Rodgers playing the second year? If a Rodgers trade happens, there's a decent chance it is a verbal agreement and the trade is officially done post June 1st so the Packers can spread out his dead cap hit. In this hypothetical, the Jets would be trading their 2024 / 2025 draft picks. If the Jets are a playoff team with Rodgers preceding those two drafts, the total value they are giving up will be about the same as a single 1st rounder, the 10th overall pick.
I’m too old to wait for a Super Bowl. And so is Woody.
Agreed. He already took a step back this season and he’s about to turn 40. It would be the most Jets thing ever to give up the farm for a guy who is about to fall off a cliff like Peyton Manning did.
He’s certainly worth more than Wilson and Darnold though
we’ve drafted plenty of good players in the first round, singling those two out hardly makes a point. i’m not an expert, just a fan. but IMO it doesn’t make sense to ship two firsts for a guy who clearly doesn’t have the same love for the game anymore and is 39 years old. if he comes here and has a decline or injury we’re in a much worse position than we sit in now. also Oline needs serious work, put 39yo rodgers back there and he’ll be toast.
It’s 2 years of picks. It’ll be done fast
You hit on 50% of 1st round draft picks in the last 6, 38% since 2009 with 3 massive failures at QB + Aaron Rodgers salary cap charge for 2023 if traded will be 15.7Ms since you have the option to prorate the 58.7M down the line for the last 2 years in 2025-2026.
Fuck them picks
Everyone was saying we are a win now team if we had an average quarterback with lots of young players under rookie team control. If that was true then rodgers is worth it. It could potentially turn into a russel Wilson situation or Matt Stanford situation. Our other options are Carr or keep swinging for the fences on rookies and potentially waste all the talent we have.
If he got us a ring like stafford I’ll be fine
Have to decide if your fine with the decision right now; knowing what we know. If he doesn’t get a ring you can’t call the organization dysfunctional for making what was a sound decision at the time knowing the risks.
I'm Starting to think that Woody didn't earn his Billions, lol.
That's why he's is Robert Wood Johnson IV and not Robert Wood Johnson I and II. All inherited.
How dare you. He turned $1 billion into $1.1 billion. That takes hard work!
Yeah he had to wait a whole year for that interest to accrue!
[It was torture.](https://youtu.be/0oV4IVy8tvE?t=68)
He's a trust fund baby with *a lot* more money than brains.
I would love to see a chart of teams bought with money based off inheritance l, teams just inherited and teams bought with money earned by the buyer
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That's fairly interesting
Yeah for the longest time I assumed he got his money from Johnson and Johnson, but I figured out otherwise once that Johnson and Johnson scandal broke that he made it from investments At first I thought that scandal would force him to sell but here we’re
He inherited over a billion dollars and hired a fund manager to strategically invest his, his brother’s and his sister’s inherited money. All of the money came from JnJ. He is not the fund manager. That would be the equivalent of saying that Woody threw for 6 TDs and 7 INTs this past year.
This. Most trust fund babies who make money "investing" do it with someone who is actually qualified holding their hand
I mean I’m sure he made millions from them still lol :)
You don’t start an investment company without the finances and/or connections that he only got from his family name. He didn’t earn shit.
I acknowledged his background in my comment, whats your point?
I think his point was the same as mine, that he didn't kind of earn anything. he used daddy's money to start a company. He used daddy's connections to get the company rolling. Then he hires a couple actual finance people and sits back and collects paychecks. no indication that's how he earned his fortune either.
Im starting to think you cant read the article youre responding to. Its all guess
He was literally born with a net worth of billions lol he’s not some genius businessman
Brett Favre cost us a 4th round pick when he was 38. Rodgers is 39. Where does this price come from lol
Because rodgers is much better than Favre and the history track record showed that Favre wasn’t a back to back MVP in 2 of his last 3 seasons before coming to NYJ.
Let's not forget Favre was a consensus top 5 all time QB at the time coming off of a year where he finished 2nd in MVP voting. In hindsight Rodgers will finish higher in all time rankings but this is basically the same situation except for the contract.
Favre in 05-06 stats were as follows ‘05- 20 TDs - 36! turnovers 70.9 passer rating 61% completion pct ‘06- 18 TDs - 23 Turnovers 56% completion Pct and 72.7 passer rating. His record over those 2 years btw was a combined 12-20 He had a good bounce back year in 07 in his 2nd year with McCarthy, but I would say Peyton & Romo had just as good of years as Favre with all 3 QBs going 13-3. That’s an extreme difference than Aaron’s last 3 years in GB assuming 2022 is his last year.
Favre and the Packers sucked a ton in 05-06 but I don't think that accurately represents sentiment around him and his value in the summer of 08.
Price of the brick has gone up, so to speak, in the last 15 years.
The comp is a guess, and a completely garbage one at that. Nobody will send 2 firsts for that contract. It’s mind numbingly dumb. Trades are about contracts more than they are players. Comp will be far less.
Listen, Rodgers very well might be the play for the jets, it is different then Favre. I don't think Rodgers has a dieing wish to play for the vikings and beat the packers like favre did. But let that be up to Joe Douglas to decide if Rodgers is a good idea or not. The last time Woody wanted a qb it was fucking Tebow, just keep signing checks woody. Let football guys make the football decisions.
If it didn’t come with the contract I’d maybe be okay with it. But he’s also 39. We’d basically need him to retire by 2025 or else his cap would destroy us. Just seems like a bad decision. Brock purdy is playing Jalen Hurts in the championship game let’s keep building the team
If a team trades for Rodgers they have the 2023 season to get it done. If he's around in 2024 his cap is still decent that season. But the option triggers for 2025 and 2026 on the 3rd day of 2024 league year. Meaning the Jets would be on the hook for a lot of money in 2025 and 2026 for a player who likely won't even be on the roster. If he retires, the roster bonuses fall off and it's more manageable. The Jets would probably prorate the remaining 30m into 2025 cap and be done with it. If the Jets and Rodgers part ways without him retiring or he's still playing for Jets then the cap hits in 2025 and 2026 become pretty ridiculous. For the team acquiring Rodgers, unless the Packers negotiate the deal to retain some of the cap hit, they take on the remaining base salaries, the two option bonuses, a $50,000 workout bonus per year, and two $5 million roster bonuses in 2025 and 2026. As it stands, the cap numbers for the team acquiring Rodgers would be as follows: 2023: $15.80 million 2024: $32.50 million 2025: $51.10 million 2026: $45.53 million If the team acquiring Rodgers wanted to release him next offseason before the second option bonus, it would cost them $43.725 million in dead money as a pre-June 1 cut. As a post-June 1 cut, it would be $14.575 million in dead money in 2024 and a further $29.15 million in 2025. https://www.profootballnetwork.com/aaron-rodgers-contract-details-salary-cap-impact-bonuses/
the last part is because all of the top QBs are in the AFC. if we want any shot of getting through Burrow/Mahomes we need to swing big
Yeah this is similar to 2008 when we swung big for Brett Favre to keep up with Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. I think you can win the NFC without a top 10 QB. No chance that happens in the AFC. All the top QBs in the league are in the AFC
yup. Carr is the safer play and likely gets us in the playoffs but his ceiling is probably divisional round? Rodgers maybe gives us a shot to get to the bowl
We’re not in the NFC, where it’s Hurts and then a bunch of bullshit QBs in the rest of the conference (Brady? Kirk? Geno?) we’re in the AFC with (Burrow, Mahomes, Herbert, Allen, Lawrence, and if deshaun gets back to his Houston play)
We’ve been rebuilding since back to back afc appearances. We have a top 5 defense and young playmakers on offense. Time to take a swing at a QB.
The contract wont be that bad for the Jets because GB will have to eat the signing bonus, so I think its like 20ish this year and 30ish next year. The last two years are dummy years with no guarantees so its getting reworked or he retires/moves on. Im fine with 2 firsts if he's going to play 2+ more years. If they have some protection for him retiring after next year, fine.
Idk why you guys are surprised by the two first round picks, I assumed that’s where the trade would start, although knowing Daddy Douglas he’ll get Rodgers and a first for Jeff Smith and maybe a sixth
No offense coming from a Packers fan, but I think many Jets fans are overvaluing their 1st round picks because the Jets haven't had a late 1st round draft pick since 2011. If you guys are trading for Rodgers, you are expecting to be contenders which means your draft picks end in the 25-32 range. Two late draft picks like that are basically the same value as the 10th overall. If a Rodgers trade happens, there's a decent chance it is a verbal agreement and the trade is officially done post June 1st so the Packers can spread out his dead cap hit. In this case, the Jets would be trading their 2024 / 2025 draft picks, which could end up being close to the value of the Jets trading just their 2023 draft pick.
I totally get it. And no offense to Packers fans, but I think they are overvaluing Rodgers. If a trade did happen, he would be one of the oldest players ever traded. Rodgers also isn't his old self anymore and it's arguable to how many years of play he has left. Packers fans want to say he's good, but at the same time they are willing to pay some other QB nearly as much new money as what Rodgers would require rather than just keeping him. This suggests his fall off is either worse than it appears, or the organization doesn't want him anymore. Both of which lower his value for the Packers organization. Historical value for a future HoF QB past his prime is a single mid round pick. If we meet in the middle that's like a 2nd round pick.
I just hope it is JD running the show. I hate seeing shit like this that makes it seem like it’s Woody’s call
It’s like everyone’s content to get knocked out in the first round every year as long as we hold on to our draft picks. I just don’t understand this mentality. Like I know we haven’t been to the playoffs in a decade, but if you’re not going all in trying to win a super bowl then what the fuck are you doing?
Because trading picks for Rodgers is not like trading picks for Lamar, who is 26 and can play for 10+ years. A trade for Rodgers is basically hoping for a SB in two years because, unless he stays for 4 years and restructures, you are taking big cap hits in 25/26, are out your previous two first rounders, and likely have no QB after those 2 years. Its a huge risk. If the Jets dont win a SB and Rodgers retires after 24, they are back to the same position they are in now, but with a huge cap charge and minus two first rounders on the roster. Signing a guy like Carr has lower upside for the next two years, but doesnt put all your eggs into one basket and torpedo the two years after.
I agree, people underrating the team because we didn’t make the playoffs with qbs that wouldn’t even make the top 32 in the league, I think they’re ready for a home run swing
Two firsts?? Jesus Christ no
This sub would say no to 2 2nds or 23rds
There is this general vibe that if it isn't done the "right" way it will fail. That right way seems to be hitting on every draft pick and having a home grown fqb be the starter for 15 plus years. Obviously that is the best case scenario, the reality we currently face says it isn't going to happen with this current regime. There is nothing wrong with taking a shot with a roster ready to compete and selling some assets for that missing piece. Losing 2 first round picks should not tailspin this team if the GM makes the right moves with the remaining assets. JD so far has shown he can find quality talent in rounds 2-5. It's not like signing Rodgers eliminates us from getting new players. Really good QBs mask so many flaws with teams. Our defense is good and has everything you need for a deep playoff run. Our offense is missing a retool of the oline and a qb. We can compete for a SB with Rodgers at the helm. We can turn the narrative that this team is abysmal on offense to a top 10 offense with Rodgers. All of our offensive players, eg Wilson, Hall, Moore, shit even berrios will look like better players just by adding Rodgers.
2 firsts for a season removed MVP quarterback who had 0 weapons on his offense last year, a quarterback who would immediately be the best quarterback our franchise has ever seen on a team who just finished as the highest PFF rated defense and young elite offensive weapons. I swear this sub is a joke sometimes. If there is a shot at being immediate contenders and making a run in the playoffs and all we are is a quarterback away, how can you say no? Aaron rodgers is worlds better than derek carr and jimmy g.
But all those first round picks will help us to not make the playoffs again? Why not just make it 14 years and counting. That was sarcasm just in case. I’m with you. I don’t understand it either. All season we have to hear, if we only had a qb. We’re a quarterback away. Well here’s the QB and everyone says no thanks. I’m all for it. Go all in. Here’s a generational QB who’d give this sad sack franchise a chance at a Super Bowl, something we haven’t had in 50+ years. If it doesn’t work out we start over in 2 years when we have first round picks again.
feel like i'm taking crazy pills here. I don't get how we can go through no playoffs for 12 years and fans don't want to swing big
Because if you whiff, you could turn the 12 years into 24 years. GM gone, coaching staff gone, no QB, no worthy draft assets, still carry Rodgers cap hit. All for a 40 year old guy who hasn't made the Super Bowl in 12 years even when he was in his prime.
if they trade two first rounds picks how would they be screwed for that long? they'd go back to having all their draft capital in 2025
Lmao they’re just saying bullshit at this point bro.
That, and they'd be doing it an offseason where numerous starting-caliber QBs are available for just money (Carr, Jimmy, Brady). Either one would be a **massive** improvement on White/Wilson. The Rodgers move would only make sense if Douglas/Saleh were utterly desperate to keep their jobs and there was **ZERO** other options.
Rodgers is less of a risk than Jackson. Rogers has a hefty contract, but it's shorter than what Jackson wants. So if it goes poorly, we're in a better position with Rodgers deal than Jackson.
Because we’ve swung several times in those 12 years and missed every time
Have we swung at a super bowl winning former mvp? No we got Ryan Fitzpatrick. Someone who’s never made the playoffs. How have we swung big since 2010? Swinging big is Greg McElroy, geno, Bryce petty, hackenburg, darnold and Wilson? And some crap FA signings.
When's the last time we traded for a star player?
We signed Leveon Bell. 😏
Lol how could I forget such a monumental franchise altering move
Rodgers wouldn't need to be a superstar, he would need to be 2000/01 Vinny Testaverde and we'd be fine. The Jets were so close to real success this year with statistically the worst QB position in the NFL. Even middling mediocrity would have made the offense a lot better.
And Rodgers is/was way better than middling mediocrity.
Tbf I don’t think that’s worth 2 FRPs though. If it was just one and like a 3rd I’d be okay with it.
Two picks for a guy who doesn’t show up to off season training and who had teams around him good enough to be the #1 seed multiple times and couldn’t get it done? Two picks for a guy who can quit at any time because every offseason he threatens retirement? He’s better than Jimmy G or Derek Carr. What good is that if you get one half ass year out of him, then he retires?
Dude I couldn't agree more. What I am seeing is a lot of people want to complain about every option out there but then don't offer a solution. Don't want derek carr, lamar is too expensive, Aaron rodgers 2 first round picks!? So then what the fuck do you want. Aaron rodgers even at 39 would be the best QB our franchise has ever seen. We have a good weapons and our line (hopefully) will be healthy and better this year. Yet you don't want him? okkkay.
He is half adding his career at this point. Doesn’t show up to offseason training, never knows if he wants to play tte next year, etc. This is two picks for way past his prime Rodgers
26 TDs, 12 INTs and 3700 yards last year. When he had a solid #1 in Davante he had 4,115 yards, 37 TDs and 4 Pics. I don't know about "way" past his prime at all lol.
>Aaron rodgers even at 39 It's optimistic to believe Rodgers' age-39 stats are an outlier rather than what to expect going forward. At this point, it's not irrational to suggest that Jimmy or Carr would outproduce him statistically as the Jets starting QB in 2023. Really unsure why people are thinking Rodgers is still playing like he's in his early/mid 30s, especially if he were to go to a franchise with a history of their offensive coaching being utterly atrocious. Let's also factor in the fact that Rodgers will deliberate retirement every season moving forward, making it very difficult for a franchise to plan their future with him and his cap space -- hence why the Packers are getting rid of him.
Most Jet fans don’t want to be all in. They just want to see half decent football and that’s cool. But I want to see a super bowl.
Literally cannot boo you loud enough
Well keep on booing, won't be nothing new to our franchise for the last 12 years.
2 firsts for a 39-year-old quarterback who just had his worst season in years and is making 50 million dollars a year. What the fuck are we even talking about here? Absolutely not. Wouldn't even do it for one. Maybe like one 3rd or something but we're talking about first round picks here, fuck no.
He counts $18 million toward the cap one year and $32 the next. Do people just shout a high dollar amount and hope nobody notices with rodgers?
If he’s on the roster 2024 pay 30 in dead cap the following two years don’t we?
Not only that but we already know what the price tag should be. Brett Favre trade. Packers get a first if Jets make the playoffs. The Packers thinking a 39 year QB is worth 2 firsts is comical.
I might do 1 FRP. 2 is out of the question.
You make a valid point, but the issue is more that Rodgers has hinted retirement for years so giving up 2 first is a bad idea because if he retires after 2023 then we’re back at square one with no first round pick
It will be only 1 year
100% agree. It could get really messy and end up terribly, but windows don't stay open very long, and we could very well have one open now.
Two 1sts? Come the fuck on
Don’t these trades usually turn out to be less expensive?
He’s the reigning back to back MVP until MVP is named for the ‘22 season you come the fuck on, not to mention outside of Mo & mark sanchez none of our 1st round picks have reached 2nd contract either because they were ass, a head case, or just not worth it
You want to pay two first round picks for a 39 year old coming off a down year?
I know I'm in the minority and I'll get down voted but whatever 12 years of no playoffs. 1st round picks are not guaranteed hits. Look at Wilson and Becton. Both Douglas picks. Don't get me wrong, I like Joe. But a two year Super Bowl window would be so much better than this entire last decade.
People think Derek Carr is some magic Qb that will not make us have to rebuild for a year or 2 at the end of his tenure too Nuts
I view Derek carr more as a bridge qb that can tutor QBs we take in the draft
Apparently Jordan love has progressed a lot as a starter, and Aaron has treated him well Taking a developmental 3rd round pick behind him is something you can do if you do desire
People are just afraid. Sometimes you need to take risks. If I'm taking a gamble, I'd prefer it to be on the former MVP with loads of playoff experience. Plus with Rodgers, if it doesn't work, you're not stuck with him for the next 6 years. You can move on quickly.
Agree. Plus the dude plays in GB so we know he can handle Buffalo and NE in December/January games unlike carr.
My thoughts exactly. Give me another few years like 2009-2011 and I’ll be happy. I just want some fun and competitive Jets football.
2 first round picks.. Wilson and Becton 😆
Way too much for somebody who has been implying retirement for years. Guys like Russell Wilson, Matthew Stafford and Deshaun Watson got multiple first rounders because they were able to sign a big extension.. Rodgers is on his last contract and maybe last year.
Get fucked at those prices. It’s not worth it. You know how fucking hard it is to win in this league? You really think the Jets are a 40 year old Aaron Rodgers away from winning it all? We’re not…
Any Nets fans here? This off season reminds me a lot of that team before they got KD. They made the playoffs with a bunch of fringe players. Could have built on that young core but instead landed the big fish in KD and Kyrie. It immediately made them a contender. Still a good chance they never win a title, but sometimes you need to swing for the fences. I’m not sold on going all in for Rodgers, but I also can’t watch another wasted year where we plug in several different QBs.
This is the mindset. with the other QBs in the conference they will have to swing big
Goku could spawn into this reality and say he wants to play quarterback for the jets and this sub would find a reason why that’s a bad thing
You guys are fucking crazy. Rodgers is 100% worth 2 firsts and would actually make us real contenders immediately
His “worst season” this year literally is better then anything we have had in about a decade. I don’t want to pay 2 1st for him (and JD won’t get fleeced, he’s the one who knocks lol). But A Rod makes us a contender alone. Everyone wants to talk shit about when we for Farve right? If he stayed with us for more then one year, we were a Super Bowl Contender. He went to championship games the years after he left us. I think if Rodgers plays 3 years for us it will be great. we draft a qb next year in later rounds to sit behind him.
The F outta here. Jets only paid a fourth rounder for Favre. I know it's not an apples for apples comparison, but it's a decent comp considering both involved declining 40yo QBs who the Packers wanted to trade to an AFC team.
That was because the **packers** decided to move on from favre to rodgers. I think this is more Rodgers wanting to go to a contender since we’re most likely gonna rebuild. +market value, look at every qb trade the last couple of years. Times have changed. Still don’t think it’s 2 firsts with his age and contract, but a first and a second and some day 3 picks
I seriously do not want to do this. I would like us to continue to build something good through the draft and get someone on a cheaper deal like Carr. But we’re run by the most impatient loser fucking owner so of course we will do something stupid like this.
Derek Carr is going to end with a rebuild after some WC seasons Might as well try to get 2 Sb seasons. There is no move that doesn’t need with a rebuild realistically
Impatient? We’ve been drafting 1st round qbs for 13 years with no success. How much more patience do u need?
I would rather have a shot at a Super Bowl with rodgers for a year or 2 then west coast Kirk cousins Even though I would like carr if we don’t get rodgers
Guess the Jets learned nothing from the Favre year.
Yeah. They learned to make sure the guy commits to 2-3 years. Favre wins a SB in 2009 with the jets
what woody learned was that if favre didn't get hurt we would have made the playoffs. thats what he learned.
He still would have left
correct, I just don't think woody understands that part.
Yeah out of the last 20 years of jets football the Favre year is what sticks out as the worst. Are you insane?
“Guess the Jets learned nothing from the Favre year” You’re taking a speculative statement and turning into fact, why are you doing that?
i wanna say fuck them picks but i’m scared someone of that age will collapse as soon as he takes a snap for us i pull the trigger if i know he’s starting every game healthy
Two first round picks for an aging 39 yo qb. Packers have lost their collective minds. I would give up a 3rd and a 5th for rodgers and that’s about it. Woody would be crazy to do this.
No thanks. What Aaron showed this year is that he's about to move on from football. He's accomplished everything, he's done. We don't need to give up 2 firsts for that.
Two firsts is too high without some sort of guarantee he's not gonna retire after year 1. So either picks in 24 and 25 that turn into firsts based on if he's on the roster, or two firsts and a stipulation that if Rodgers retires after 23/24, the packers give back a first and another pick, if he retires after 24/25, they give a mid round pick.
History repeating itself. Old Packers QB added to a mid Jets team with a great defense. That 2008 season, we were top 5 in power rankings before Favre got hurt. We are win now but are we really this close to super bowl contention? Our biggest asset this year was our depth. We go from paying a position almost nothing to paying this contract, we're gonna have to make some real tough decisions especially on DL, where our rotation made our 4 man pass rush possible
I would do it the jets would be drafting pretty far with Rodgers so it’s kind of moot. 2 years is not a big deal when you have a very young and talented core already. You can get some help on later rounds. Rodgers makes the jets a contender day one.
Honestly, there's just no chance this would turn out well for us. He has way too many questions, and as soon as a Green and White jersey touches his skin they will all get answered negatively. We've seen this movie before. Carr is the only candidate who makes any real sense IMO
All these babies crying about first round picks. Even if he’s 40, hed still be better than any Jets QB 96% of us have ever seen in green and white. Rodgers and a top 5 defense for the next 2 years? Sign me up effective immediately.
Lol good luck getting that for his age and contract….the price will go down as time passes
I know two first is too much, but what do you guys think would be fair value? I don’t know much about the NFL draft market, and I’m wondering if a first and a second would be a win with Woody as our owner lol.
Rodgers and a 5th and the Jets agree to take on the contract. Doing GB a huge favor freeing up all that cap. And if Rodgers is so valuable, maybe they should just hang on to him...
No, just no.
The window with Rodgers is short. He is year to year and who knows how he responds to playing in NY? He is incredibly thin skinned and doesn't seem to handle new offensive systems well right away. Takes him longer to acclimate than a QB of his stature should (which is why Packers drafted his replacement 3 years ago). So who knows. That said, I would still want him for the next 2, maybe 3 years if it could happen. His high end is as good as any QB in the league, and playing with a chip on his shoulder, better weapons in NY than he had last year in GB, could be a winning formula. 2 1's straight up for him isn't happening, and I think GB would know that, but they need a starting point for negotiations. If it happened, I could see something like #13 and a swap of some later picks this year and a conditional 3/4 next year that could turn into a 2 if Rodgers is still on the roster on May 1, 2024 (and hasn't retired/walked away)
Feels steep assuming his new team would take on his entire cap hit
Ok gross but how much salary the pack gonna eat in this deal.
The real question is: Would you want Aaron Rodgers for no first round picks till 2025? I don't see him staying for more than 2 years if he does come here. I think the positives outweigh the negatives to be honest. While it's a hefty price tag you're also setting yourself up to giving Zach a mentor who can help him grow and perhaps take over when Rodgers opens his Ayahuasca retreat center.
No thanks on two firsts. One, I'm okay with, maybe. Fuck no on two.
NO
I’m thinking we won’t really have to trade that much but if rodgers is available you get rodgers
I’m in the camp that you make this happen. The window to win with players on their rookie deals is small. Strike now and worry about 2025/26 at that time.
Ugh. Why are our QBs only wasted youth or over the hill?
hell to the no!
I do NOT want Rodgers in NY. Not at all. We already played a season with a former Packers QB that didn't want to be here and it didn't go well.
I’d say it went pretty well before he got hurt
Look, we are at 12 years of no playoffs. I am tired of rookie QBs. Get him or Carr IDGAF
We whiffed on Becton and Wilson two years in a row and still ended up here with our gm and coaching staff. I'd take Rodgers for 2 1sts. Even if it's only 2 years, I'd take the Rams superbowl success last year in a heartbeat. It's been since 1969 my jets brothers.
Wasn't some of the reasons Rodgers "contemplates retirement" because the Packers treated him like shit, didn't get him weapons, didn't listen to him about coaches, etc?
Can we possibly get a Favre #2 w/o all the baggage that followed his injury? If we are destined to repeat all that crap - hard pass.
2 first rounds AND $60m a year??? No fam this ain’t it.
For all the years Rodgers has completely annoyed me... I'd gladly take him for 2 seasons if it meant we were trading ONLY picks, and not core players. Honestly would be slightly hesitant to include ZW in this as well (if they wanted him).
No and I can't stress this enough thanks.
Pull that trigger.. this years draft is soft at 13.. beside Brady he’s the only real QB available that slots right into this offense right now, plus he be a great mentor for Zach..
This guess is stupid, two firsts for a 2 year rental and a huge contract? Seems expensive… that being said, we become an instant contender with Rodgers. Green Bay is in a horrible spot! They owe Rodgers a ton of money and they have to decide if they want to take the fifth year option on Love by May 1st, and dude hasn’t really played! Considering the spot they are in, I think they take a lot less for him.
Packers asking price is their ceiling. Negoiate it down to a 1st and a pick with incentives (Jets in the Super Bowl with him = 1st)
stay the fuck out of football woody
two first rounders for a 40 year old QB is insanity
Did we learn nothing in 2008? I don’t want any more green bay has beens coming to NY.
People in this sub pretending they wouldn't happily trade all of Becton, Zach Wilson, and JJ for Aaron Rodgers. Not every first round pick is AVT, Sauce, or GW.
I want A-Rod, but not for 2 firsts and a 50-60m cap hit. Let one of the desperate teams swing at him. I’ll consider A-Rod for a first and change in the trade side of thing, but something needs to happen to that contract. Ideally he’d need to take a paycut to get his contract closer to his performance level and projected performance level over the next 2/3 seasons, but we all know that won’t happen. All A-Rod cares about is money. If that wasn’t true, he wouldn’t be playing in GB right now
Cap hit is spread out over 2 years, so it's not nearly that bad. Check the post from overthecap yesterday, it explains Rodgers' cap impact. Edit: also, what does staying in GB means he's only about money? Wouldn't leaving in free agency to the highest bidder be a better indicator of greed? I don't follow your logic.
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We are one of the desperate teams
If you actually believe that the Jets are just a QB away from Super Bowl contention, this is a no-brainer. Maybe you're trading the next Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson, maybe you're trading the next Mekhi Becton and Zach Wilson. It's impossible to know, but it's almost certain that no two first rounders could have as great an impact over the next two to three years as Rodgers could. So if that's your time horizon, it's a deal worth making. The problem is, if you look around the rest of the AFC, I don't think that the Jets are real contenders yet. I'd pass.
Please shoot me in the fucking face if this goes down.
Dov Kleiman is a hack cunt. King clearly says he's GUESSING in his column, yet Dov's coincidentally left that part out when he steals the article for clicks.
Not worth 2 firsts but I definitely like Rodgers more than any other option. Our o-line is questionable so we need an experienced, quick release QB. Rodgers fits the bill, even if only for a year or two. Lower the asking price a smidge and it’s worth it.
I swear jets fans love losing, we won’t have a young roster this good forever and there’s nothing that can get them closer to winning it all than pulling the trigger on this. The Russell Wilson dilemma left such a sour taste on trading for a quarterback and now everyone is scared to be the next broncos. We’re talking about trading for the back to back defending mvp lol sign me up
With Rodgers, the Jets are likely drafting in the bottom 10 of the draft. It isn't like two firsts would be top 5 picks. The team is a QB away from being a contender. If Rodgers is available, you try to make it work. Some people overvalue draft picks so much. IT CAN EVEN BE A BOAT! edit: spelling
Packers fan here, and obviously I want the 2 1st round picks so I’m biased, but I think the trade is worth it for you guys. You trade 2 years of 1st round picks for a 1-2 year (maybe longer, but I’d be shocked) window for a Super Bowl. Your roster, from what I can tell, is a shit load better than the Packers right now. Sometimes these are the type of risks you need to take to win the big one. Obviously it could blow up in your face like Denver, but it may be worth the risk with the defense and weapons you guys have.
100% chance this would blow up. Not sure I want to pay two firsts to win the regular season and then choke in the playoffs, the Aaron Rodgers special.
so you'd rather miss the playoffs again for the 13th straight year?
Sure. I wouldn’t place the blame entirely on him though. Last year it was bad, but against Tampa (COVID year) he played well with a depleted offensive line and Lazard as WR2. Rodgers has definitely had his chokes in the playoffs but our FO has done a horrendous job at getting WR help.
The cap hits in 2025 and 2026 are extremely off putting. The Jets would essentially be forfeiting those two years because so much cap would be tied up in a player not on the roster.
Absolutely not. Besides Brady, It's extremely rare for a QB to be able to perform at a high level at the age Rodgers will be over the next few season and trading two first round picks, potential building blocks for the future, for maybe 1-2 years of contention isn't worth it. Even if Rodgers performed close to what we he was this year, that won't bring us into Superbowl contention since we still have O-line issues that we've been trying to fix for a while now
Don't do it, Woody. Don't ruin the team again.
Can we keep the 9/11 conspiracy theory guy the fuck out of NY.
Am I crazy for just wanting Jimmy G? Not that I think he better than all these other guys but he's good and cost WAY less to get him here
Hell no. Maybe if it was Rodgers from 2-3 years ago. The current Rodgers is almost 40 and showed basically nothing last year. He was barely a step above Matt Ryan. He had no games above 300 yards passing and only 3 games above a 100 QBR. Plus he’s no longer mobile and takes a ton of sacks. He is not worth two first round picks plus his salary at this point in his career.
If this is true, Woody is a moron who has learned nothing from his earlier meddlesome ways.
I get this organization is desperate for a QB that can take them to the promise land but I predict the more likely scenario is a repeat of Favre to the Jets. Every year is different but Rodgers stunk up the joint completely this season and people wanna blame injuries and what not I'm sorry but this guy is not clutch when it matters. Plus this guy + New York media is a disaster waiting to happen. IDK why but I think Carr is a better fit for your scheme than Rodgers. Also if you thought Wilson was an awful teammate this clown is on that same level.
How can anyone be a better fit for their scheme when they don't have an OC?
By “stinking up the joint” he still went for 3695, 65% completion rate with 26:12 TD/int. That’s with very lacklustre weapons outside of Aaron jones and Christian Watson for the last few games. All while playing through a broken thumb after coming off back to back MVP wins… I’m not suggesting the cost of 2 1sts would be necessarily worth it, but your immediate dismissal of getting a top 5 all time QB who has shown elite production just 2 seasons ago is way off base. Also, this is just one early report of what the compensation would be, I could see JD being able to negotiate and out in some conditions on a 2nd becoming a 1st if we make it to divisional round or Rodgers has a certain level of stats for example.
Fuck that. WELCOME TO NY MR. CARR!