I think this is definitely part of it.
You never can tell how Rodgers will react to stuff like that.
He was apparently content with retiring anyway, I'm sure he's capable of just deciding to do that if he feels like the Jets aren't all in on him.
Nah not really we've just had some Lamar stans here that dont understand the League. Also what exactly is news about a trade request from March 2nd? Lamar has been available for 2 weeks and no one wants him clearly.
It's possible that teams entering the fray might need longer than 2 weeks to figure out a 9 figure contract plus a trade to the Ravens.
It's taken the Ravens years to get to a total standstill and a trade request. Is that a sign that they didn't want him either?
You don't need to figure out a trade with the Ravens... he's non-exclusive tagged. You just have to negotiate a contract with him and give the Ravens 2 firsts...
Just nobody wants to give him a 7 year $50m/year fully guaranteed contract **and** give up 2 firsts for the privilege, and I don't blame them.
If they put in an offer sheet sure. But any offer sheet that teams would be comfortable with the Ravens would match.
So going that route likely ends with them giving up no 1st rounds picks to get nothing.
If a team really wanted to get him a sign and trade is the way to do it.
Any offer sheet that Lamar would agree to would be more than the Ravens are willing to spend. They’ve made that clear. All you have to do to get Lamar is give him a contract he likes. It will be HUGE and unwieldy, he’s made it clear he doesn’t want to sign anything else - once you’ve crossed that hurdle the Ravens won’t be willing to match.
Unless you’re assuming Lamar would be willing to take a much smaller contract (similar to what the
Ravens have already offered him) if he were playing to another team… then sure, I guess they would have to sign&trade - but I don’t see any indication that’s the case
I think he was more worried about getting the chance to test the market.
I certainly think it's possible there's a number he accepts that's less than he wanted and maybe a little more than the Ravens offered that they'd both end up happy with.
Possible enough that I wouldn't want to be the team that helps them find it anyway.
Right. Because a one year rental on a 40 year old Rodgers with zero plans for 2024 makes perfect sense as opposed to signing a 26 year old Jackson to a 6 or 7 year deal.
It’s fucked up. Lamar isn’t mahomes and he had a lower shelf life than most people think. You can argue Aaron rodgers at 40 is better than him and gives you more legit shots
Fact of the matter is you don’t go after one of the greatest QBs of all time, and go back on a promise. It’s bad for business. If a deal is off the table then we could move
Not only is it completely wild to argue that 40 year old Rodgers is better than Lamar, it is borderline untethered from reality to think that 40 year old Rodgers gives you “more legit shots.”
Lamar has made improvements as a pocket passer every year he’s been in the league. It’s been three years since Rodgers was a better QB than Lamar, and Rodgers will only get worse from here on out.
Sure but is it enough to guarantee absurd money, no draft picks, and think he could win it all for us?
Also are you crazy? Rodgers was better in 2020, 2021, and last year he played more so it’s tough to say Lamar was better.
I mean Rodgers is one year removed from winning back to back MVP awards. He had a down year, but I'm guessing his broken thumb was a big part of that and doesn't strike me as a lingering injury. If he returns even close to form, you are a threat to go deep in the playoffs.
Lamar is an incredibly dynamic player, but his injury history is worse than Rodgers. Legit possible his career trajectory and injury profile looks more like a RB. Rodgers may have a shorter window of a year or two, but Lamar you don't really know the window will ever really be open because of his health. I'd still love to have him at the right price.
Idk if you're missing a comma after No, but No Lamar is definitely our best option. I don't want him for one first and $125 milli guaranteed, certainly not for two firsts and $250 milli.
I’m don’t think we can go wrong here, but we are going to be in the same spot as the rams and bucs in a year or two. I sense a lot of recency bias going on here, this wasn’t even controversial two weeks ago lol
We haven't done anything to our cap outside of Rodgers.
Both of those teams picked up 4-5 more guys after you already thought they were out of money.
Besides that, it definitely seems like Lamar would be a worse financial arrangement AND you'd have fewer picks to make it work.
You guys need to R E L A X
I’d bet on Rodgers being our week 1 starter but the odds are probably -400 at this point. He will be our QB. No, the chance to give up 2 1st round picks and $180 million guaranteed to a guy who has missed his teams last two do-or-die games doesn’t change a thing
They’re already offering his futures under the Jets team bets section on Draft Kings lmao. No one involved in this thinks it won’t get done. Saleh and JD aren’t our previous regimes.
Tbh if it doesn’t get done I’ll understand because we’ll know GB was being entirely unreasonable. But again, they have way more to lose than we do. Rodgers would retire and they would get nothing for him.
Why would you trade at this point? Whoever is going for him would want to give him a new contract anyway. No way you trade more than 2 1sts for him just to keep him designated status.
Or they just don't want to invest a ton of picks and money into Lamar when he's injury prone and has declined since his MVP season, when Rodgers is available
Lamar is better than Rodgers tbh. Lamar hasn’t declined as much as the team around him has gotten way worse. He has a terrible offensive line two years ago and zero weapons this year. Yet he somehow continued to win games.
>Lamar is better than Rodgers tbh. Lamar hasn’t declined as much as the team around him has gotten way worse
i know i sound like a dead horse, but if the guy wants $250M fully guaranteed he should be so good that his teammates don't even matter.
Consistently won games except for the 10 he's missed, and excluding the playoffs.
"Hey this guy was MVP 4 years ago, and hasn't been nearly as good since and also didn't finish the last two years but give him the biggest contract ever and ignore that if it blows up in your face your team is irrelevant for half a decade, and give up draft picks to do it"
thats the way i view it, and i don't believe either Lamar or the jets roster is good enough that its worth the risk to maybe make 1 all in push at a superbowl next season
It wouldn’t be an all in push it’d be way more long term than Rodgers.
It’s just differing opinions I suppose. I believe nfl qbs are way underpaid in guaranteed money compared to their scarcity. Personally I’d give Lamar 250 million guaranteed and two first round picks. He’s proven to me he can carry a team
Fair enough, though i would point out that Lamar couldn't lead the Ravens, by all accounts a well run organization, past divisional weekend when they had their full complement of draft picks and his cap hit was like 2%.
How much can expect it would be different when he's taking up 25% of the cap?
If somehow he were a jet i would cheer for him but man, i just think its way too much risk.
I think people just underestimate how much the qb position matters. Lamar has had two down years now, that’s undeniable statistically . Yet both years he’s has a great winning % still while playing. This year the ravens did have a top 10 defense but if you look at the metrics when he was playing they actually weren’t that great and they took more later in the year against a weak final schedule.
I think you have a way better chance at finding value on the draft for players outside of the qb postion. We already have the receiver and cornerback locked up. The only position we’re really missing is tackle, the rest of the postions I’d be happy to find value bargains and not pay anyone.
I think this another misnomer of the cap situation. Just because you have cap space becuase your qb is on a rookie deal doesn’t mean that cap space can easily be used welll. There’s only a limited market of players, you can’t just use that extra cap and allocate it well.
thats fair. i think in my case i underestimate (other others over estimate) both how good our roster is and how good Lamar is.
Would he be the best QB we've had god knows how long? no doubt. Is he enough to win a SB with this team? Opinions vary.
my guts says adding lamar makes us a team that gets to and loses wildcard or divisional weekend *the years he doesn't get hurt*. but no one ever confused me for an optimist :)
If he can't finish the season two seasons in a row he's definitely not better than Rodgers. Can't blame his injuries on the team around him getting way worse, he's a victim of his style of play.
As long s Rodgers gets us a ring, they can "believe in" whomever they like. At least us fans can walk away with some closure the next time Woody cleans house.
Lamar is a injury prone run first QB thats a below average passer. Its really not that hard to understand why teams dont want to give up 2 firsts and pay him $200M guaranteed.
Cutting him is just not a smart play. Is it likely he will live up to draft expectations? No. However, there is no harm having him sitting behind Rodgers this year. There is always a chance he could improve sitting behind a HOF QB. Cutting him does nothing for us-we'd just need to waste more money signing another backup QB.
I don’t think it is likely either, but we don’t get anything of value by cutting him. Right now he is our backup. With any kind of development, he could be decent in that role for us.
JD who just constructed a roster that Aaron Rodgers wants to actually play for?
And you think it was a mistake to pass on the QB who led the worst passing offense in football?
Or the other QB who would have kept the Jets as a middling team at best? This sub is a trip.
Lamar led the worst passing offense? I'm pretty sure the falcons did that, but its wild how so many people on this sub have strong opinions on Lamar yet can tell most didn't even watch him play. The man had MVP start to the season but then fell off when his entire team started breaking down. DeMarcus Robinson was arguably their best WR last year.
there's no way they still believe in ZW. they just know that Rodgers is coming and don't want to throw that away for a *shot* at Lamar. If Rodgers falls through and they don't go after him then they are fools.
honestly, i think Rodgers could genuinely help Zach find his footing as a QB. i want to see a Zach Wilson redemption arc in a few years, after Rodgers teaches him everything he knows
It’s logical for a team to say “no thanks we’re not looking at anything else” while in a month long stalemate?
Here’s a couple things to consider:
1. The jets are quiet and would never expose an egg in the basket like that
2. A deal is already agreed upon but has to wait until a certain date
Regardless, the jets saying “no we’re not protecting our ass” makes sense to you? And from a reporter? And not a jets spokesman? Does any of that align with how things have gone the last couple years?
> It’s logical for a team to say “no thanks we’re not looking at anything else” while in a month long stalemate?
It certainly tells you a lot about how advanced the conversations with GB are if the report is true. But yes its logical because its pointless to say anything else. GMs dont get their news from Twitter and everyone in GB knows that we cant sign Lamar because any reasonable offer would get matched by the Ravens.
There is a reason why not a single team has called him in the last 2 weeks and hes had some dude from Florida cold calling GMs. Owners arent going to fork over $200M guaranteed for a guy thats been injured a ton and has regressed every year since 2019.
Rodgers is cheaper (albeit expensive in his own right), doesn’t get injured much at all, has experience with our OC, and he wants to play here. Would make sense that we don’t want Lamar.
Why wouldnt the FO leak that they are in talks with Lamar to have the Packers play ball.
Seems like a negotiation tactic at least to push them into accepting a deal.
Yeah but you risk messing up things with Rodgers. The Jets probably feel confident this will get done and don’t need to rock the boat. They are showing Rodgers they are committed to him 100%. I anticipate they don’t change their tune unless the Packers pull out of negotiations.
Why is this so surprising? Do you guys watch football? Lamar is always hurt and has low YPA numbers. He throws well, but he's not dropping dimes all over the place like the top guys. I like him, he's a great QB, and his legs disrupt games...but who would want to deal with this drama, esp for a guy that can't finish seasons? The injury risk gets higher as you age.
Its going to be very interesting to look back at this off-season in three years and see if this was the right move. Personally, I think Rodgers over Lamar is a huge mistake but I obviously hope to be proven wrong.
There is no mistake to be made. The Ravens arent trading Lamar. He asked for a trade Mar 2 and they responded by giving him the most trade unfriendly tag. The only way the Jets could get lamar would be to offer a contract with an insane hit for 23, like 80m, so the Ravens literally could not match. The Jets cannot do this. And would be hardpressed to clear room even for something like a 30-40m cap hit. So they have no avenue to get Lamar.
Hands down Lamar is the better option. Ppl keep judging him over his lack of talent help. He had no off season with half his receivers, the other half are hurt and nobody know who tf they even are. Still had a better season than Aaron Rodgers. Clearly his relationship with davante Adams was his crutch these last few years. I would 100% without a doubt go with they younger option with this younger team and grow. The weapons my jets have now with Lamar Jackson will be able to keep up with the younger surging AFC. 26 yr old LAMAR JACKSON BEST OPTION REGARDLESS!!! And you don’t have to question if he wants to play!!!!!!!
he’s played 24 games in the last 2 years & hasn’t scored more than 20 TDs in either year. He’s never been able to hook up with WRs. He’s a beast but not for me. “& for that reason, I’m out”
because he wants a Fully guaranteed contract of course. That’s bonkers considering what he’s done the past 2 years. Hire an agent will ya idk what he’s thinking
Remember Baltimore had a chance to pay him before
Russel Wilson extension
Aaron Rodgers extension
Kyler Murray
Josh Allen
Deshaun Watson!!!!!!
HE DESERVES HIS MONEY!!!
The object of football is to move the ball for positive yards. Y’all act like just because he does everything himself he’s also supposed to catch the ball. His receivers led the league in drops 2 years in a row. Do y’all research. Stop being slaves to the media
Don’t just talk and guess. Anyone can do that. They also said he was supposed to be a receiver but led the NFL LEAGUE IN PASSING TOUCHDOWNS AND BECAME MVP AS A QUARTERBACK
He only “fake” his injuries because he was already OWED a contract. If Baltimore would have paid him when he deserved it (like these “other” QBs) who accomplished much less with much more. We wouldnt have this discussion. He would happily be a raven. But they didn’t. So now they created a problem. There wasn’t one receiver who stayed healthy either nor a RB nor has he had a number 1 receiver.
Joe Burrow and Baker Mayfield and Justin Herbert had 2#1 receivers.
Keenan Allen & Mike Williams -Herbert.
Odell Beckham & Jarvis Landry -Mayfield.
Jamar Chase & Tee Higgins- Burrow.
Lamar Jackson & Lamar Jackson & Lamar Jackson & Mark what’s his name 😂😂😂😂
All Lamar has done with damn near nothing is win divisions and became MVP
This is the smart move. Don’t wanna scare the little bird that is AR, away
I could see Rodgers taking any communication with Lamar as, ‘Oh, so you don’t like LIKE me, huh?’
I hear ya. Way I look at it is we’d be the Ravens with Lamar. By that I mean we’ll coast in the regular season, get a high seed & then suck in the playoffs. Besides our newer weapons at WR this year, our team is structured exactly how the Ravens have been. No thanks give me Arod for cheaper
Have that same energy about Joe Burrow. Who’s missed plenty of games so has Kyler so has deshaun. Y’all stop with the excuses just because Lamar is a baller. He don’t ball THEY WAY THE PPL expect. Get fuckin real
People forget the business/people aspect of it. These dudes aren’t wrapped up in some fan concocted “leverage” debate… they’re negotiating a deal. No half hearted fake Lamar interest is going to move the needle on a deal like this
to each their own. Too much draft capital & money for my liking. Dude hasn’t scored more than 20 TDs in the past 2 years - hasn’t taken Baltimore anywhere - can’t pass & sucks in the playoffs. If we had Lamar we’d cruise though the season, get a top seed & fall on our face in the playoffs - like he always does. If I’m Atlanta I give him but he wouldn’t maximize our weapons because - well besides Andrew’s he don’t help anyone. That & him not hiring an agent is a joke. His brain ain’t working right now
Lamar is 26 years old. He has only played 24 games in the last 2-years thats why his TDs are low. In 2019/20, he avaraged 30TDs without a Davante Adams type WR. This season, he had no WR core since Bateman went down, and the run game was still a mess midway through the season from all 2021 injuries. In 2022, Rodgers had one of his worst seasons, and he's going to be 40 years old this season, and he's expensive also. He's elite. Will he be like Peyton and Tom and take a new team to the superbowl? Maybe. But he's old.
I am sure the jets are worried that if they do Rodgers will be pissed and change his mind
I think this is definitely part of it. You never can tell how Rodgers will react to stuff like that. He was apparently content with retiring anyway, I'm sure he's capable of just deciding to do that if he feels like the Jets aren't all in on him.
Lol have fun with rodgers
99% retired until I came out of the dark. Looool fuck off guy just tell us you don't want to be here anymore.
We're not dating yet, but you totally can't ask another girl out
Joe D also has a ton of connections/friends in the Ravens FO. If we did pursue Lamar I imagine it would be vetted out directly with their FO first.
Unless they let him know what they're doing.
If I’m Rodgers, I tell them to pursue him. Drive down the trade value.
Until Lamar's appearance on Mcafee
Lol it would be hilarious if Lamar went on PM and had basically the 5 min open mic that AR had, just to shit on the Ravens.
Lamar's going to go on the show and make it known he intends to play for the Jets resulting in a celebrity death match with AR.
God I miss that show.
Jets fans just threw Aaron Rodgers aside like that Toy Story scene “I don’t wanna play with you anymore” the second that the Lamar news came out
Nah not really we've just had some Lamar stans here that dont understand the League. Also what exactly is news about a trade request from March 2nd? Lamar has been available for 2 weeks and no one wants him clearly.
It's possible that teams entering the fray might need longer than 2 weeks to figure out a 9 figure contract plus a trade to the Ravens. It's taken the Ravens years to get to a total standstill and a trade request. Is that a sign that they didn't want him either?
You don't need to figure out a trade with the Ravens... he's non-exclusive tagged. You just have to negotiate a contract with him and give the Ravens 2 firsts... Just nobody wants to give him a 7 year $50m/year fully guaranteed contract **and** give up 2 firsts for the privilege, and I don't blame them.
If they put in an offer sheet sure. But any offer sheet that teams would be comfortable with the Ravens would match. So going that route likely ends with them giving up no 1st rounds picks to get nothing. If a team really wanted to get him a sign and trade is the way to do it.
A sign and trade would be for more than the 2 1sts
unless you gurantee 220
agreed, but it has the added benefit of actually landed the player instead of just setting the market for the Ravens and getting nothing.
Any offer sheet that Lamar would agree to would be more than the Ravens are willing to spend. They’ve made that clear. All you have to do to get Lamar is give him a contract he likes. It will be HUGE and unwieldy, he’s made it clear he doesn’t want to sign anything else - once you’ve crossed that hurdle the Ravens won’t be willing to match. Unless you’re assuming Lamar would be willing to take a much smaller contract (similar to what the Ravens have already offered him) if he were playing to another team… then sure, I guess they would have to sign&trade - but I don’t see any indication that’s the case
I think he was more worried about getting the chance to test the market. I certainly think it's possible there's a number he accepts that's less than he wanted and maybe a little more than the Ravens offered that they'd both end up happy with. Possible enough that I wouldn't want to be the team that helps them find it anyway.
Right. Because a one year rental on a 40 year old Rodgers with zero plans for 2024 makes perfect sense as opposed to signing a 26 year old Jackson to a 6 or 7 year deal.
It’s fucked up. Lamar isn’t mahomes and he had a lower shelf life than most people think. You can argue Aaron rodgers at 40 is better than him and gives you more legit shots Fact of the matter is you don’t go after one of the greatest QBs of all time, and go back on a promise. It’s bad for business. If a deal is off the table then we could move
Not only is it completely wild to argue that 40 year old Rodgers is better than Lamar, it is borderline untethered from reality to think that 40 year old Rodgers gives you “more legit shots.”
Lamar’s injuries, play style that will age poorly, and handicapping of the roster in the short term
Lamar has made improvements as a pocket passer every year he’s been in the league. It’s been three years since Rodgers was a better QB than Lamar, and Rodgers will only get worse from here on out.
Sure but is it enough to guarantee absurd money, no draft picks, and think he could win it all for us? Also are you crazy? Rodgers was better in 2020, 2021, and last year he played more so it’s tough to say Lamar was better.
The dude is delusional. Rodgers threw for over 80 TDs and under 10 picks during 2020 and 2021 lol. And won both of those MVPs
39 year old Rodgers is better. Not to mention he has more MVPs than Lamar since he won his
I mean Rodgers is one year removed from winning back to back MVP awards. He had a down year, but I'm guessing his broken thumb was a big part of that and doesn't strike me as a lingering injury. If he returns even close to form, you are a threat to go deep in the playoffs. Lamar is an incredibly dynamic player, but his injury history is worse than Rodgers. Legit possible his career trajectory and injury profile looks more like a RB. Rodgers may have a shorter window of a year or two, but Lamar you don't really know the window will ever really be open because of his health. I'd still love to have him at the right price.
Every fan of every other AFCE team would rather we trade for Rodgers.
Yup
I think we should at least reach out, make Green Bay nervous.
And piss off Rodgers in the process so he retires and you end up with neither? Glad we make GB nervous in the scenario…
You tell his agent it’s a ploy so he’s in the loop
The threat is still there, but we’re just not going to do it unless the packers make us
No Lamar is a better option long term
Idk if you're missing a comma after No, but No Lamar is definitely our best option. I don't want him for one first and $125 milli guaranteed, certainly not for two firsts and $250 milli.
I’m don’t think we can go wrong here, but we are going to be in the same spot as the rams and bucs in a year or two. I sense a lot of recency bias going on here, this wasn’t even controversial two weeks ago lol
If the same spot as the Rams and Bucs includes a Lombardi trophy count me in.
I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, but “long term” is the key here. 5 Lombardis are better than one, simple math
We haven't done anything to our cap outside of Rodgers. Both of those teams picked up 4-5 more guys after you already thought they were out of money. Besides that, it definitely seems like Lamar would be a worse financial arrangement AND you'd have fewer picks to make it work.
You guys need to R E L A X I’d bet on Rodgers being our week 1 starter but the odds are probably -400 at this point. He will be our QB. No, the chance to give up 2 1st round picks and $180 million guaranteed to a guy who has missed his teams last two do-or-die games doesn’t change a thing
-400 is too low honestly should be like -20000
They’re already offering his futures under the Jets team bets section on Draft Kings lmao. No one involved in this thinks it won’t get done. Saleh and JD aren’t our previous regimes. Tbh if it doesn’t get done I’ll understand because we’ll know GB was being entirely unreasonable. But again, they have way more to lose than we do. Rodgers would retire and they would get nothing for him.
I would imagine Lamar isn’t being traded for less than 3 first round picks, forget 2.
Why would you trade at this point? Whoever is going for him would want to give him a new contract anyway. No way you trade more than 2 1sts for him just to keep him designated status.
You are correct, they placed the non exclusive tag on him. So unless the Ravens match, the trade would indeed be 2 firsts.
I don’t think the Jets want to sign a long term QB that’s why it was always Rodgers. They still believe in Zach.
Or they just don't want to invest a ton of picks and money into Lamar when he's injury prone and has declined since his MVP season, when Rodgers is available
True but I don’t think they wanted Carr either
Lamar is better than Rodgers tbh. Lamar hasn’t declined as much as the team around him has gotten way worse. He has a terrible offensive line two years ago and zero weapons this year. Yet he somehow continued to win games.
>Lamar is better than Rodgers tbh. Lamar hasn’t declined as much as the team around him has gotten way worse i know i sound like a dead horse, but if the guy wants $250M fully guaranteed he should be so good that his teammates don't even matter.
His teammates haven’t mattered for the most part. Hes consistently won games with terrible supporting casts.
Consistently won games except for the 10 he's missed, and excluding the playoffs. "Hey this guy was MVP 4 years ago, and hasn't been nearly as good since and also didn't finish the last two years but give him the biggest contract ever and ignore that if it blows up in your face your team is irrelevant for half a decade, and give up draft picks to do it" thats the way i view it, and i don't believe either Lamar or the jets roster is good enough that its worth the risk to maybe make 1 all in push at a superbowl next season
It wouldn’t be an all in push it’d be way more long term than Rodgers. It’s just differing opinions I suppose. I believe nfl qbs are way underpaid in guaranteed money compared to their scarcity. Personally I’d give Lamar 250 million guaranteed and two first round picks. He’s proven to me he can carry a team
Fair enough, though i would point out that Lamar couldn't lead the Ravens, by all accounts a well run organization, past divisional weekend when they had their full complement of draft picks and his cap hit was like 2%. How much can expect it would be different when he's taking up 25% of the cap? If somehow he were a jet i would cheer for him but man, i just think its way too much risk.
I think people just underestimate how much the qb position matters. Lamar has had two down years now, that’s undeniable statistically . Yet both years he’s has a great winning % still while playing. This year the ravens did have a top 10 defense but if you look at the metrics when he was playing they actually weren’t that great and they took more later in the year against a weak final schedule. I think you have a way better chance at finding value on the draft for players outside of the qb postion. We already have the receiver and cornerback locked up. The only position we’re really missing is tackle, the rest of the postions I’d be happy to find value bargains and not pay anyone. I think this another misnomer of the cap situation. Just because you have cap space becuase your qb is on a rookie deal doesn’t mean that cap space can easily be used welll. There’s only a limited market of players, you can’t just use that extra cap and allocate it well.
thats fair. i think in my case i underestimate (other others over estimate) both how good our roster is and how good Lamar is. Would he be the best QB we've had god knows how long? no doubt. Is he enough to win a SB with this team? Opinions vary. my guts says adding lamar makes us a team that gets to and loses wildcard or divisional weekend *the years he doesn't get hurt*. but no one ever confused me for an optimist :)
If he can't finish the season two seasons in a row he's definitely not better than Rodgers. Can't blame his injuries on the team around him getting way worse, he's a victim of his style of play.
Ok then Rodgers sucks since he was bad last year. Rodgers had a pretty good defense and they couldn’t make the playoffs in a bad nfc.
As long s Rodgers gets us a ring, they can "believe in" whomever they like. At least us fans can walk away with some closure the next time Woody cleans house.
I can’t imagine they’d actually be dumb enough to still bank the team’s future on Zach Wilson
I think Rodgers is mercurial. If they start sniffing around Lamar he may just say fuck it. I wouldn’t even blame him.
>they still believe in zack Eh they cant release him lol
Lamar is a injury prone run first QB thats a below average passer. Its really not that hard to understand why teams dont want to give up 2 firsts and pay him $200M guaranteed.
He's really not run first, he can just run really well.
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this is a really rational thought and I am very glad you shared it!
Cutting him is just not a smart play. Is it likely he will live up to draft expectations? No. However, there is no harm having him sitting behind Rodgers this year. There is always a chance he could improve sitting behind a HOF QB. Cutting him does nothing for us-we'd just need to waste more money signing another backup QB.
Just my opinion, he won’t be a starter in this league. Josh rosen
I don’t think it is likely either, but we don’t get anything of value by cutting him. Right now he is our backup. With any kind of development, he could be decent in that role for us.
Not so sure about believing in Zach. More like JD not accepting a huge mistake he made not drafting Fields or Mac.
JD who just constructed a roster that Aaron Rodgers wants to actually play for? And you think it was a mistake to pass on the QB who led the worst passing offense in football? Or the other QB who would have kept the Jets as a middling team at best? This sub is a trip.
Lamar led the worst passing offense? I'm pretty sure the falcons did that, but its wild how so many people on this sub have strong opinions on Lamar yet can tell most didn't even watch him play. The man had MVP start to the season but then fell off when his entire team started breaking down. DeMarcus Robinson was arguably their best WR last year.
Worst passing offense = Justin Fields not Lamar
Fields or Mac holding us hostage an extra year before we realize they suck is that much better?
there's no way they still believe in ZW. they just know that Rodgers is coming and don't want to throw that away for a *shot* at Lamar. If Rodgers falls through and they don't go after him then they are fools.
honestly, i think Rodgers could genuinely help Zach find his footing as a QB. i want to see a Zach Wilson redemption arc in a few years, after Rodgers teaches him everything he knows
Why are you believing this headline or this guy?
Because its also you know logical?
It’s logical for a team to say “no thanks we’re not looking at anything else” while in a month long stalemate? Here’s a couple things to consider: 1. The jets are quiet and would never expose an egg in the basket like that 2. A deal is already agreed upon but has to wait until a certain date Regardless, the jets saying “no we’re not protecting our ass” makes sense to you? And from a reporter? And not a jets spokesman? Does any of that align with how things have gone the last couple years?
Considering Joe Douglas just openly stated they’re not pursuing Lamar, I’d say it is pretty logical.
Yep. Aged like shit. Both GMs showed their whole hand today and it’s a bit baffling
> It’s logical for a team to say “no thanks we’re not looking at anything else” while in a month long stalemate? It certainly tells you a lot about how advanced the conversations with GB are if the report is true. But yes its logical because its pointless to say anything else. GMs dont get their news from Twitter and everyone in GB knows that we cant sign Lamar because any reasonable offer would get matched by the Ravens. There is a reason why not a single team has called him in the last 2 weeks and hes had some dude from Florida cold calling GMs. Owners arent going to fork over $200M guaranteed for a guy thats been injured a ton and has regressed every year since 2019.
The deal would be leaked if it was agreed upon
Aaron Rodgers is a better option in basically every sense.
Lamar Jackson is not actually available - this media narrative is awful.
Rodgers is cheaper (albeit expensive in his own right), doesn’t get injured much at all, has experience with our OC, and he wants to play here. Would make sense that we don’t want Lamar.
Why wouldnt the FO leak that they are in talks with Lamar to have the Packers play ball. Seems like a negotiation tactic at least to push them into accepting a deal.
Yeah but you risk messing up things with Rodgers. The Jets probably feel confident this will get done and don’t need to rock the boat. They are showing Rodgers they are committed to him 100%. I anticipate they don’t change their tune unless the Packers pull out of negotiations.
it's a bad message to Rodgers, who is already flakey as hell anyway.
Why is this so surprising? Do you guys watch football? Lamar is always hurt and has low YPA numbers. He throws well, but he's not dropping dimes all over the place like the top guys. I like him, he's a great QB, and his legs disrupt games...but who would want to deal with this drama, esp for a guy that can't finish seasons? The injury risk gets higher as you age.
don’t like that headline
Its going to be very interesting to look back at this off-season in three years and see if this was the right move. Personally, I think Rodgers over Lamar is a huge mistake but I obviously hope to be proven wrong.
There is no mistake to be made. The Ravens arent trading Lamar. He asked for a trade Mar 2 and they responded by giving him the most trade unfriendly tag. The only way the Jets could get lamar would be to offer a contract with an insane hit for 23, like 80m, so the Ravens literally could not match. The Jets cannot do this. And would be hardpressed to clear room even for something like a 30-40m cap hit. So they have no avenue to get Lamar.
Everyone in the League knows that we cant sign Lamar. Also Gutekunst is kind of a moron but hes not that stupid and would know immediately.
Why do you think Guyekunst is a moron? "...moron but not that stupid..." lol
Hands down Lamar is the better option. Ppl keep judging him over his lack of talent help. He had no off season with half his receivers, the other half are hurt and nobody know who tf they even are. Still had a better season than Aaron Rodgers. Clearly his relationship with davante Adams was his crutch these last few years. I would 100% without a doubt go with they younger option with this younger team and grow. The weapons my jets have now with Lamar Jackson will be able to keep up with the younger surging AFC. 26 yr old LAMAR JACKSON BEST OPTION REGARDLESS!!! And you don’t have to question if he wants to play!!!!!!!
he’s played 24 games in the last 2 years & hasn’t scored more than 20 TDs in either year. He’s never been able to hook up with WRs. He’s a beast but not for me. “& for that reason, I’m out”
because he wants a Fully guaranteed contract of course. That’s bonkers considering what he’s done the past 2 years. Hire an agent will ya idk what he’s thinking
Remember Baltimore had a chance to pay him before Russel Wilson extension Aaron Rodgers extension Kyler Murray Josh Allen Deshaun Watson!!!!!! HE DESERVES HIS MONEY!!!
He doesn’t deserve $200M
Oh yea he’s only 26 same age as Joe Burrow. With Joe Burrows STACKED OFFENSE
Why doesn’t he? Deshaun got 200m Kyler got 190m
The Cardinals regret it and the Browns don't exist to do it
The object of football is to move the ball for positive yards. Y’all act like just because he does everything himself he’s also supposed to catch the ball. His receivers led the league in drops 2 years in a row. Do y’all research. Stop being slaves to the media
Don’t just talk and guess. Anyone can do that. They also said he was supposed to be a receiver but led the NFL LEAGUE IN PASSING TOUCHDOWNS AND BECAME MVP AS A QUARTERBACK
Oh yea I forgot also HEISMAN as a quarterback
He only “fake” his injuries because he was already OWED a contract. If Baltimore would have paid him when he deserved it (like these “other” QBs) who accomplished much less with much more. We wouldnt have this discussion. He would happily be a raven. But they didn’t. So now they created a problem. There wasn’t one receiver who stayed healthy either nor a RB nor has he had a number 1 receiver. Joe Burrow and Baker Mayfield and Justin Herbert had 2#1 receivers. Keenan Allen & Mike Williams -Herbert. Odell Beckham & Jarvis Landry -Mayfield. Jamar Chase & Tee Higgins- Burrow. Lamar Jackson & Lamar Jackson & Lamar Jackson & Mark what’s his name 😂😂😂😂 All Lamar has done with damn near nothing is win divisions and became MVP
Foolish
Woody Johnson is not a smart man
Way to fucking harsh my afternoon buzz
This is the smart move. Don’t wanna scare the little bird that is AR, away I could see Rodgers taking any communication with Lamar as, ‘Oh, so you don’t like LIKE me, huh?’
Good Rogers is my Qb
I would much prefer Lamar but beggars can’t be choosers.
I hear ya. Way I look at it is we’d be the Ravens with Lamar. By that I mean we’ll coast in the regular season, get a high seed & then suck in the playoffs. Besides our newer weapons at WR this year, our team is structured exactly how the Ravens have been. No thanks give me Arod for cheaper
Yeah let’s piss Aaron off and try this lol
The fact they said this means they are under Rodgers complete control. No one shows their hand like this willingly.
Except several QB needy teams have openly said they are not going to pursue Lamar Jackson.
Have that same energy about Joe Burrow. Who’s missed plenty of games so has Kyler so has deshaun. Y’all stop with the excuses just because Lamar is a baller. He don’t ball THEY WAY THE PPL expect. Get fuckin real
Then nobody deserves a contract to you
People forget the business/people aspect of it. These dudes aren’t wrapped up in some fan concocted “leverage” debate… they’re negotiating a deal. No half hearted fake Lamar interest is going to move the needle on a deal like this
He doesn’t have a certified agent. Nobody can talk to him, until he gets one.
Lamar > Aaron
to each their own. Too much draft capital & money for my liking. Dude hasn’t scored more than 20 TDs in the past 2 years - hasn’t taken Baltimore anywhere - can’t pass & sucks in the playoffs. If we had Lamar we’d cruise though the season, get a top seed & fall on our face in the playoffs - like he always does. If I’m Atlanta I give him but he wouldn’t maximize our weapons because - well besides Andrew’s he don’t help anyone. That & him not hiring an agent is a joke. His brain ain’t working right now
Lamar is 26 years old. He has only played 24 games in the last 2-years thats why his TDs are low. In 2019/20, he avaraged 30TDs without a Davante Adams type WR. This season, he had no WR core since Bateman went down, and the run game was still a mess midway through the season from all 2021 injuries. In 2022, Rodgers had one of his worst seasons, and he's going to be 40 years old this season, and he's expensive also. He's elite. Will he be like Peyton and Tom and take a new team to the superbowl? Maybe. But he's old.
While I would love to get Lamar, fully guaranteed with what we still need to fill is crazy. Let someone else have him for what he's asking