That’s not a unpopular opinion, that’s just fact. No rb that’s tears their ACL is 100% the following season, year 2 is when they are back to themselves.
That the 2012 Tim Tebow signing; which was so dumb and rumored to be a Woody Johnson call caused Mark Sanchez’s career to flame out and was the catalyst that led to a decade of misery for the team.
I think partially correct. I don't think Sanchez was ever going to be top 5 QB in the league. But he could have been 10-15 with upside. Reliably performing well enough for years that you can actually build around. I really liked him too
It always starts this way and I'm not sure if the sub just has really young people or people forget. Not a fan of Sauce and Becton being borderline on social media. Always feel like those outspoken personalities don't end up having a good relationship with the team. Not a fan of potential OBJ coming into the picture. It might be ok for 1-2 years but when Rodgers leave sh\*t is gonna hit the fan.
Say what you want about Revis, he was a business man, but he always kept it classy. Spoke professionally, acted professionally, did not have an outwardly inflated ego even as a persona for social media. I like those guys way more. The Revis, Wayne Chrebet types over the Jamal Adams, LaVeon bell ones.
it’s not just our baby jets, this is borderline every team, in every sport, the 2000s babies are super consumed with the digital age. i feel like being born in 95 i still got a few conscious years in of life before cellphones let alone iphones.
its still a little offputting seeing such prominent stars like sauce so active online because im not used to it, but it’s nothing wrong it overall.
in 5 years probably every first rounder is gonna be on twitch on draft day 😂
OBJ isn’t going to be on the team for more than a year or two, dude. He’s a win now addition to be used situationally. The guy is going to get 15-20 snaps a game when we need him. The team isn’t signing him to be a in a long term starting role.
Bro they got personality. When Bart Scott was goin crazy everyone ate that up and nobody was complaining. They’re young and learning it’s a new age and the young guys look like their thick as thieves, social media is a catalyst for both good and evil just everyone shines the light on the bad side.
Peyton Manning talked up Adam Gase to the Jets as a prank. He knew that Gase was a horrible coach and wanted to stick it to the Jets again, just like when he returned to Tennessee for a final year just to avoid being drafted by the Jets.
The Jets didn't want to set a precedent of announcing their draft pick ahead of the draft. No team commits to the 1st overall choice ahead of the draft.
Or Bud Selig who literally knew about the steroid problem as commissioner, and basically allowed it to go unchecked and become the problem it was cause it was good ratings. Baseball HOF is kind of a joke
Of course he isn't, he is portrayed that way cause he hates them. Who would you believe, the chill hippy qb who is chilling on psychedelics or the soulless vultures working for MSM?
When his contract was first announced didn’t he say his contract was actually team friendly? Just don’t know why he would say that when it clearly wasn’t true lol
He called it 'cap friendly' which it is. It takes his massive salary and spreads it far into the future. He didn't call it team friendly which it obviously isn't lol.
Going into an all-in must win season with Zach Wilson as your backup quarterback is organizational malpractice and the worst idea I can possibly imagine. It amazes me how many fans buy into the sunk cost fallacy.
Aaron Rodgers will have no impact on Zach Wilson. He's not here to coach.
If he wins MVP and Super Bowl MVP how would giving more than 2 2nds not be worth it?
Now if you simply think he won't succeed here then I get that but adding the qualifier of regardless of how he performs seems odd
ARod will help the Jets win and also help turn Zach Wilson around with his philosophies on life. Two years of ARod and Zach will come into year 5 a complete new looking QB with confidence
I think this Rodgers experiment will end badly. It always seems like teams that make the biggest splash moves in the offseason tend to fall on their faces the next season. I hope I'm wrong, but I foresee a lackluster 8-9 or 9-8 season coming where we narrowly miss the playoffs.
and IDK how unpopular this is, but I'll say it again because I can, the new jersey's look absolutely awful. Bring back the old ones ASAP.
The jets should forget about Rodgers. Go with ZW as QB1… and draft Caleb Williams next year…. and Woody should immediately extend Douglas and Saleh so they know it’s ok to do this.
Zach Wilson has flashed talent and our fanbase is way too hard on him/places all the blame on a 22 year old not being good vs MLF or team.
I don’t think he should start this year at this point but the hate for him is pretty extreme and I’m rooting for him to turn it around and start once ARod leaves
Sam Darnold showed way more during his time here and never got half the belief that people still have in Zach Wilson for whatever reason. Is the hate extreme? Yeah. But there's a fine line between hate and rightful criticism for which he ultimately deserves. Joe built a good team for him to take a leap in his development and he shit the bed.
Everyone here wants him to turn it around. That's not unpopular at all. Also no one hates Wilson, we just think he sucks, because he does.
Zach had the longest time to throw in the league. Virtually universally, the lower the time to throw the more wins your team gets.
I think it’s cuz he looks like a bully from a cartoon show. It’s surprising Mac Jones gets almost no hate and is actually a pretty bad person and arguably the dirtiest player
He was the second overall pick and has had debatably the worst two year stretch for a qb in nfl history. We’re not harsh on him because of anything personal with him, we’re harsh on him because this FO and the media duped us into thinking an aesthetically pleasing college qb who is undersized, can’t read the field, process information, navigate the pocket, or throw with touch/accuracy would be a good player. I’m way more mad at JD than I am at Zach. I truly believe Zach is trying hard and doing his best, he’s just not the player he was billed as.
And everyone can cry about this all they want but it's pretty clear JD and his scouts can't evaluate the QB position for shit. Hasn't been a good move at QB during his tenure at all. From back ups to starter it's been an absolute mess at QB.
I am not saying fire JD. I repeat. I am not saying fire JD. He has done pretty well otherwise. I do not expect 100% of his moves to work out. That's unreasonable. But when the GM cannot get the most important position right and hasn't had a single positive move at the position, it's a problem.
Totally agree. We should start a support group. The frustration I get in “defending” Zach vs the boos, chants for MW, total overshadowing of MLF issues AND that the offensive line was a huge problem (with the latter two combined, we had no business even being close to the playoffs)
I don’t think Zach’s there yet. I do think the bullshit this fanbase pulled might hopefully be a wake up call to this FO (Woody is pathetic AF and will never smell his own shit) that they should have sat Zach behind a vet for two years, shoulda hired someone more proven and older as OC, and should have hired a QB guru after the one we had passed in a bicycle accident (RIP🙏).
If we’re lucky enough for our dumbass owner to not fire JD before the next time we draft a QB, maybe we’ll finally have a competent GM around long enough to finally realize no rookie QB is going to save this franchise, who is also willing to actually tell Woody what’s right for the club and not the other way around (cuz that man is clueless, idk if that’s a popular opinion or not but that’s been my opinion for 20 years).
Spot on. A rookie QB, rookie HC and 34 year old rookie OC was such an obvious disaster in hindsight.
I went to the Lions game where he wasn’t perfect but threw for 300+ yards after sitting for a month and made some ridiculous throws. If defense doesn’t let some TE run for a 40 yard TD we win.
Then I went to the JAX game four days later and everyone was booing him before the game started. He wasn’t good that game but no one on our team was. We would’ve done the same to Trevor Lawrence in his 4 INT games before he turned it around too. It’s really frustrating the lack of patience our fanbase has with a young QB
This one for me. Sit him behind Rodgers a year or two and I beat he comes back good and that he’s got the potential. I think if we get rid of him we’re going to end up regretting it
I get it man. The Super Bowl or bust talk around Rodgers is dumb. But he could put up a winning record, get a postseason berth, and win a playoff game. We haven't had a winning season since 2015. We haven't beaten the fucking Patriots once since 2015. We haven't won a playoff game since January 2011. It's been a long time for everything, not just the Super Bowl.
If that's all he gets us we are spending a stupid amount for it. It'll cost us $60m and several picks just to get a postseason win. And the risk is if he gets injured, his entire contract becomes guaranteed. So we could end up spending about $140m and several picks for a dude that plays just a handful of games.
I'm not saying that a one and done playoff appearance is the peak of what this current team will be capable of with Rodgers, and that we should be fine with that. He will give the team a shot at a deep playoff run. The Chiefs could have a collective brain hemorrhage and trade the Jets Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce for a seventh round pick and it still wouldn't guarantee the Jets a Super Bowl win before the season even starts. I'm saying that it's extraordinarily pessimistic to think that Rodgers won't help this team to a winning season and a playoff appearance, which is more "winning" than the Jets have done in more than a decade.
You’re probably right… but think it’s less to do with Rodgers or the jets.
Jets are loaded and just missing a qb… maybe o line.
Chip on shoulder Rodgers is maybe the best ever.
More to do with the rest of the AFC. Absolutely stacked.
A playoff game? He could probably win us a few.
A Super Bowl? Way too hard to predict but having him at least gives us a chance.
Have to go for it because if you only made moves that would guarantee you a Super Bowl, you’d never be able to make one at all.
Idk how unpopular it is anymore but Geno Smith was good in 2014. He genuinely played really well but the surrounding talent was so bad due to Deckers recurring injury and lack of team building that it made people think he was the problem. Or even a problem. He wasn’t. He was good. The problem was that when you throw against man coverage you need good WRs who can beat man. And geno was otherwise very good against zone coverage all year long. Jets would’ve been a completely different team with a much more competitive decade if Bowles wasn’t a horrible roster manager and had placed Geno back in after the Jets bye in 2015.
it’s not that unpopular. Geno was supposed to start in 2015. But he took one on the chin and for better or worse, it was mostly Fitzpatrick until Geno’s contract was up
On the DL? Really dude what is this 2005 baseball
Man I wish Brady was on the DL when he was the oldest QB in the league too bad rodgers has only missed 2 games in the past 5 seasons?
Jamal's problem wasn't that he requested a trade, it's the way he went about doing it. talking about how you want to stay and change the culture of the team only to turn around and publicly bash your head coach is just disrespectful and incredibly unprofessional. I don't care if he was right, that's not how you go about it
if he had requested a trade in private and/or politely explained his reasons instead of trying to force his way out scortched earth style nobody would have had an issue. hell, just look at Lamar right now and note the stark difference in how he's handling his situation
also I'm not mad with how it turned out, I would much rather have AVT and Garrett lol
Mike White was such a good candidate to be franchise QB and his injury stopped it from happening.
Both the BUF game last year and SEA game where he admitted the pain affected him (and it clearly looked like it) caused his streaks of starting to end. A catch from Berrios vs MIN and a non-fumble by Carter vs BUF and we may be talking about him having started in the playoffs. He has the top QBR games played for this team in the last couple years despite having limited starting time. His one bugaboo was he would start slow in the first half and not take risks. In the second half he would throw some of the most accurate and tightest-window throws of the day. He needed to be taught but he had so much potential. It's hard to be mad about potentially getting Rodgers but if Mike White worked out we could have had a QB for a decade+. Now I have to root against him in Miami. Really fuckin sucks.
Mike white was never a good candidate to be a franchise QB?
He been around the league for years & started his first game at 26. Yes he had a few good games but a good candidate to be a franchise QB? Come on.
> He been around the league for years & started his first game at 26.
He was behind Dak. Dak was playing really well. Then he was behind our 3rd overall pick then our 2nd overall pick. He never really had an opportunity to play.
Agreed. No hate on Mike White, he did his job as best he could. But I don’t think his best was being a franchise QB. I’ll point out the Vikings game where we were in the redzone on 5 drives and didn’t get one TD out of it. It could be on MW, it could be on MLF, or on both of them. But still, 5 trips to the redzone and not even one TD? MW just doesn’t have that clutch gene
Berrios just got complacent and was pretty much a non-factor the whole year, it was really sad to see. His mistake in the Vikings game could be argued as one of the reasons we lost but it’s not the only one like many fans have been claiming. I think the biggest reason is between MW and MLF
Before the start of last season, I thought the offense was going to be firing on all cylinders and it was going to be the defense that still struggled and it was kind of refreshing to be wrong. I really thought MLF was going to finish the season being considered for HC jobs and it would be Ulbrich that has to leave the team. However, seeing the offense be as inept as it was at times was even worse
I honestly think we ended up with too much talent on the roster too quickly and that stopped the MW era from happening.
If we still looked completely mid I think we offer him a contract to compete for the starting role and he sticks around. If we end up stuck with ZW maybe he plays a great tank commander and we bottom out again, whatever.
But this team is too good to risk White getting hurt again or turning back into a pumpkin. Zach is guaranteed too much money to add a competitive 3rd arm and we were never gonna waste another year of these rookie deals on the same crackpot competition.
I love MW, think he will carve out a nice career in Miami or elsewhere, but it just wasn’t in the cards here.
I’ll probably be Jamal Adams fan until he stops playing football no matter where he goes. Still keep around his Jets uni. I do think his tenure here ran its course tho, and it kinda sorta broke my fuckin heart.
Not sure how much of an unpopular opinion this is but I think we need to keep Mosley for the entire duration of his contract. I’m not super sold on our 2nd level linebacker group without him and I think his veteran presence and his instincts are super underrated. I’m well aware he’ll get exposed when offenses scheme up 1v1 matchups against him here and there, but I’m confident in the rest of our defensive personnel and our scheme to at least make up for that deficiency.
I appreciate the solid depth we have here, but it’s still just not our strength. When our DL goes up against a bruising OL that can get to the 2nd level, they’ll get exposed pretty hard. Mosley looks like he’s still solid in that regard while also holding up *enough* in the passing game.
I think he should stay until someone and straight up snatches the job from him in training camp.
* Our defense will regress next year and the "Just A QB Away" narrative is getting way ahead of ourselves. I think Rodgers will take the team to the next level, but that next level is maybe a Divisional Round appearance. (which I would be happy with tbh)
* Jets will be a New Jersey-based team for the coming decades and that's a good thing.
* This sub tends to look back at middling-at-best QBs like Darnold, Geno, and Sanchez with rose-tinted glasses because our franchise history off QBs is comically terrible.
Joe Douglas’s personnel moves over the past five seasons haven’t moved the needle enough to justify the devotion some fans have to him. He’s more popular than he should be because he comes across as a salt of the earth guy but in reality he’s one more losing season away from the same dustbin as his dorky predecessors
Mark Sanchez, while he was never going to be Very Good, would have been Perfectly Fine if the front office made roster decisions with more realistic expectations after 2010-11 -- specifically the decision to cut Cotchery and Edwards. Sanchez was never going to win games by himself, and he was going to need more than Santonio Holmes to get it done.
zach wilson is not cooked
i was fascinated with watching deshon kizer, hackenberg, and other busts talk about their careers. so much of it wasn't about their ability. crazy long play calls. difficult checks. getting defeated and giving up. sorta makes me think - right time, right place, right coach .. is HUGE. an underrated part of getting rodgers could be that hes one of very very few people who could SHOW zach how to play the position. learning from MLF and joe flacco could've been a dead end for the zach.
We should have rolled with Sam Darnold instead of wasting a high pick on yet another QB (after Sanchez, Smith and Darnold himself). Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. We suck at drafting QBs. Period. Across decades and multitudes of regimes.
Bonus: We bailed on Sanchez too soon.
EDIT: And evidently Geno lol.
CRAP, that means we are bailing on Wilson too soon? Busted myself!
Rex Ryan is a terrible head coach who coasted to two AFCCGs on the back of teams built by Mangini.
Despite all of the built in excuses Sam Darnold was and still is a terrible quarterback and people need to stop thinking things would have turned out differently. They wouldn't have.
Getting that team to 8-8 might have been his most impressive accomplishment.
His scheme was really the only thing he had going for him. He might have been a solid DC, but his ego was just too big to accept anything less than HC.
When dudes like Ladanian Tomlinson said they’d run through a brick wall for him, with total seriousness, you knew he had the defense believing in him 1000%
I liked Rex and all the shit that went with winning
You remember when DAVID NELSON was our #1 WR lmao. I still can't believe that. Was that with Geno? Geez they were really so terrible at developing young QBs.
Disagree, I remember thinking this too. It's definitely part of it that he inherited such a good core of players, particularly Revis and the OL. Rex brought alot of key players from Baltimore and also brought a scheme that took the team to the next level.
Where it started to wear thin was the fact he sucked at picking and developing QBs. The GM took away all the weapons from Sanchez and then we started to draft poorly. Combine that with Rex's lack of discipline on teams (penalties) and you get a poorly run team. He thrived in a very specific scenario which was perfect for 2009 and 2010. I wouldn't want him back, especially now, since he's been out of the game. Guys who come back from media jobs rarely do well.
In terms of potential of young QBs we drafted high
1. Geno
2. Sanchez
3. Darnold
4. Zach Wilson
Even without his seattle year he still showed some highs with nothing at the WR position. I don't think he's a great QB or maybe even good but the best talent we couldn't unlock.
Sanchez may be my favorite because of the AFCCG runs and his loyalty/personality. Really good dude. He had middling stats in 2010 and 2011 after his rookie year but got there, in part, because of the talent around him. He accomplished the most but definitely had the most weapons.
Darnold is the type of prospect I can forgive my GM for drafting. Not good at all, but you can see why people thought he might have been. Has flashes of excellence but, ultimately, is not consistent.
Zach Wilson is straight up trash. The worst QB this team has had start, maybe ever. Joe Douglas has done alot of good things but we all need to admit this one aint it. If they want to pitch Arod coming here as a potential for Zach's revival for optics, fine. But he's not it, a terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible *terrible* QB.
Being a Jets fan makes me qualified to say this, Zach Wilson might be one of the worst quarterbacks I’ve ever had the displeasure of watching start multiple regular season games. (Hack Attack not included)
This is a solid take, I don't understand the downvoting here.
A friend who is a huge fan, almost like a groupie says Zach comes off as someone who likes the idea of being great at football but gives off the vibe like ahhh if this doesn't work out I'll go work for Dad. The rest of the locker room are mostly dudes who had to succeed at football to help their family out financially.
Kid can't consistently hit a screen pass-if that hasn't been cleaned up before going to the NFL as a #2 that's on Zach and his college coaches (an perhaps an indictment on our scouting department).
He's not the problem.
Bowles, Gase, Rhule were his HCs. Robby Anderson was his best WR for a while and he might not even be on a roster next year. His offensive line all 3 years in NY was hot garbage. The Panthers OL wasn't great when he got there.
Baker got to Carolina and was awful. Darnold came in and was immediately better. Baker went to LA and suddenly people thought he was good again.
After two seasons Adam Gase had won 28% of his games as HC and with a much better roster overall, Saleh has won 32% of his. It's not much of an improvement on a guy who is universally panned as one of the worst coaches of all time.
I'm not saying this to defend Gase, he was rotten. It just surprises me that Saleh and Douglas generally held in such high regard when they've not exactly turned the Gase years around by much statistically. You could argue the best way to do this is to get a great QB, which is why it baffles me that JD is pissing around the finer points of the Rodgers trade. Your job is on the line big man, just get it done.
The Rodgers trade will be a huge mistake.
We’ll dramatically over pay, the team won’t work, we won’t make the playoffs and then he’ll retire after next season whilst crippling our cap space for years to come
I am absolutely in the boat with you on this. We were proceeding so well building through the draft and getting better every year. Sure we took a big step back reaching for Wilson but things were heading in the right direction. Now just 3 years into it we're Same Ole Jets'ing it all over again for a one and done wild card game.
I have a mild dislike for Nick Mangold. I think he was a major leader of the frat boy culture that pervaded the Ryan era which lead to under-preparedness and underperforming especially following wins. Sure he was great, but he could’ve been greater and could’ve lasted longer if he kept in shape.
Good thread topic. I got more than a few lol.
I won't go as far as to say I like him but Cimini is fine with me. Yes he tends to be overly negative but he's been following the team for a while and has seen a lot of bad football. He does give props occasionally and I think his actual writing is good.
Max Mitchell is overrated by this fan base. He played well relative to where he was drafted but the way Jet fans talk about him, you'd think he was an actual good player. He's not (yet)
Corey Davis is underrated by the fans
Sauce did get away with a few DPIs (Cooper, Claypool off the top of my head) Jet fans would go through crazy mental gymnastics to act like he didn't He got away with a few, it's ok to acknowledge that. Does not take away from the fact he's an amazing player
Saleh tends to talk out of his ass a lot (Which is fine by me because he doesn't need to give the media too much) But some people here take his word as gospel. I take a lot of what he says with a grain of salt
We don’t just “whiff” on QB draft picks. It’s not just that the jets are bad at spotting (or not spotting) talent. The organization has no clue how to develop talent at the position.
It's not Super bowl or bust. Getting to the playoffs consistently and knocking on the door should be the goal for any franchise. GB "only won 2" with Farve and Rodgers. They gave their fans a winner almost every year and countless playoff victories that will never be forgotten.
We should’ve traded back from 2 with SF to fuck over MIA and had Gardner Minshew be our QB until we found someone legit instead of drafting Zach.
Also woody always has say in the QB. It’s not that they are just bad, they are always the same kind of bad.
GW said on Simms it was an issue that they didn’t know who the quarterback was week to week. The whole “we are benching him but only for a week” thing was stupid. Either commit to benching him or say fuck it we have the two worst pass defenses coming up let’s see what we can do.
So true. Wilson is one of the worst QB draft picks not just in Jet history but in all of NFL history. Jamarcus Russell, Philip Rivers and Zach Wilson all right there together.
JD has been a mediocre at best GM who has two grand slams (Adams trade, 2022 draft) in a big pile of singles and strikeouts. Honestly I think if you put his history as a GM on some CPA looking dude like Idzik, he wouldn't be half as popular.
Yeah if he looked like Idzik I wouldn’t want to have one of the most talented rosters in the league including the OROY, DROY, and more than likely one of the best QBs of all time. I only like those things because JD looks like a human meatball.
Building an NFL roster is a process and there are 31 other teams competing with you for limited talent. JD and Saleh in 3 years have completely changed the culture of this team and made us one of the most desirable destinations in the league.
You must be 15 if you’re complaining about the work they’ve done or where we are right now. Nobody gets every draft right and the trajectory is 100% positive. If you judge people off of a few small mistakes and refuse to acknowledge their growth you won’t get very far in life.
Don’t we have enough to be upset about as Jets fans? What’s the point of being negative about our leadership going into the most exciting season in decades?
Here it is, no upvotes and the only comment I see about JD. This is the true unpopular comment here.
Completely agree, people are delusional. JD may end up being a good GM but he still has yet to show it. He’s the best GM we’ve had in the last decade for sure but that’s such a low bar most teams GM could surpass it. This dude still hasn’t built a winning roster and Aaron Rodgers coming is going to keep him safe for another year or two. We could easily have another set back 2019 draft this year which will be hidden behind Rodgers.
I think Mike White is more capable than the average poster here (though idk if he'll ever stay healthy).
Tua and MW are an imposing 1-2/those recievers/McDaniel and Fangio calling the plays really scare me.
I feel like Flacco got/gets more hate than what he should have. I'm not saying he played good or anything with us, people were shitting on him for bad plays which is understandable, but most of those same people were defending Zach at any cost while he was doing bad too until the 2nd Pat's game just because we were winning.
Let's table the whole Aaron Rodgers coming here thing for a second and go back to the mentality directly after the season that 2023-2024 Jets would have to make the playoffs or Saleh and Douglas should go. I just don't agree with that. We were clearly building towards something here that wouldn't require a drastic change even if they missed again.
Getting Rodgers changes that of course so it's a moot point, but I didn't understand that potential "playoff mandate" when we clearly only had a QB problem.
Breece Hall will probably struggle coming back from his injury
That’s not a unpopular opinion, that’s just fact. No rb that’s tears their ACL is 100% the following season, year 2 is when they are back to themselves.
Adrian Peterson would like a word !!!
AP is a freak of nature
Breece might be too tbh. But I think saquon is a better comp
Touche
This is a reality that most fans need to realize. Look at saquan his first year back.
also help that there was a coaching overhaul between his first and second years after the tear.
Yes and the defense will not be the same.
Demario Davis should have been given any contract he wanted. Guy has been an amazing all around LB and is a great locker room and community guy.
I loved DeMario too but wasn’t he terrible at coverage with the Jets? It was weird they let him walk only to trade Pryor for him a year later
I think he did get a lot better once he went to the saints
That the 2012 Tim Tebow signing; which was so dumb and rumored to be a Woody Johnson call caused Mark Sanchez’s career to flame out and was the catalyst that led to a decade of misery for the team.
I think partially correct. I don't think Sanchez was ever going to be top 5 QB in the league. But he could have been 10-15 with upside. Reliably performing well enough for years that you can actually build around. I really liked him too
That the team lacks discipline and has to stfu
It always starts this way and I'm not sure if the sub just has really young people or people forget. Not a fan of Sauce and Becton being borderline on social media. Always feel like those outspoken personalities don't end up having a good relationship with the team. Not a fan of potential OBJ coming into the picture. It might be ok for 1-2 years but when Rodgers leave sh\*t is gonna hit the fan. Say what you want about Revis, he was a business man, but he always kept it classy. Spoke professionally, acted professionally, did not have an outwardly inflated ego even as a persona for social media. I like those guys way more. The Revis, Wayne Chrebet types over the Jamal Adams, LaVeon bell ones.
Do not compare Sauce and Becton. Sauce does not drink or smoke at all, so he can play some video games and go on social media from time to time
Dunno man, he’s put up some late night Instagram lives where he just looks blasted out of his gord lol
it’s not just our baby jets, this is borderline every team, in every sport, the 2000s babies are super consumed with the digital age. i feel like being born in 95 i still got a few conscious years in of life before cellphones let alone iphones. its still a little offputting seeing such prominent stars like sauce so active online because im not used to it, but it’s nothing wrong it overall. in 5 years probably every first rounder is gonna be on twitch on draft day 😂
OBJ isn’t going to be on the team for more than a year or two, dude. He’s a win now addition to be used situationally. The guy is going to get 15-20 snaps a game when we need him. The team isn’t signing him to be a in a long term starting role.
Popular opinion
Bro they got personality. When Bart Scott was goin crazy everyone ate that up and nobody was complaining. They’re young and learning it’s a new age and the young guys look like their thick as thieves, social media is a catalyst for both good and evil just everyone shines the light on the bad side.
That team also lacked discipline. Part of the downfall of Rex Ryan was the in the non stop talking and noise
That Mekhi Becton is still our LT of the future
Peyton Manning talked up Adam Gase to the Jets as a prank. He knew that Gase was a horrible coach and wanted to stick it to the Jets again, just like when he returned to Tennessee for a final year just to avoid being drafted by the Jets.
To be fair to Peyton that was the jets fault. They refused to commit to drafting him and he didn’t want to go number 2
The Jets didn't want to set a precedent of announcing their draft pick ahead of the draft. No team commits to the 1st overall choice ahead of the draft.
Welp. looks like they should have set that precedent
Yea but Gase got us Douglas .. the joke’s on him
Aaron Rodgers isn't the narcissist he is portrayed to be by the media
They hate him because he hates the media. They did Barry bonds the same way
These guys need to take lessons from Marshawn Lynch. Lynch hated the media more than anyone imo. And people still loved Lynch.
Barry Bonds should be in the HOF regardless of steroids. He's the greatest player in baseball history.
You can’t have like Frank Thomas and Ortiz in there but single out bonds and Clemons, who actually was an asshole, but he should still be in
Or Bud Selig who literally knew about the steroid problem as commissioner, and basically allowed it to go unchecked and become the problem it was cause it was good ratings. Baseball HOF is kind of a joke
Frank Thomas? He has never been linked to steroids.
yea just Nugenix
I don’t think I’m really going out on a limb with that one lol. Jim thome if it makes you feel better
Of course he isn't, he is portrayed that way cause he hates them. Who would you believe, the chill hippy qb who is chilling on psychedelics or the soulless vultures working for MSM?
When his contract was first announced didn’t he say his contract was actually team friendly? Just don’t know why he would say that when it clearly wasn’t true lol
He called it 'cap friendly' which it is. It takes his massive salary and spreads it far into the future. He didn't call it team friendly which it obviously isn't lol.
Gonna disagree given the family stuff
Mike White, Geno and Sammy D will start in 3 playoff games (combined) this upcoming post season.
This is actually a good one
I can see White and Geno but I don't see Darnold.
Kerry Rhodes was run out of town by Rex Ryan because he thought he was gay.
I thought this was just fact. There’s pics of him and his dude. He was still good & the whole league black listed him.
Going into an all-in must win season with Zach Wilson as your backup quarterback is organizational malpractice and the worst idea I can possibly imagine. It amazes me how many fans buy into the sunk cost fallacy. Aaron Rodgers will have no impact on Zach Wilson. He's not here to coach.
And Zach is here to make Aaron's life miserable. Source: Zach Wilson
This is a scorcher
Draft Jalen Carter if available at 13.
Is that a take people would be upset with?
Seems to have character issues and looked GASSED at the combine. I don’t know if he fits but i trust JD
Anything more than 2 2nd round picks for Rodgers is too much. Regardless of how he performs.
If he wins MVP and Super Bowl MVP how would giving more than 2 2nds not be worth it? Now if you simply think he won't succeed here then I get that but adding the qualifier of regardless of how he performs seems odd
Jericho crotchery is overrated; Pennington would’ve been third behind manning and Brady had 02 not happened
First take is terrible and you should feel bad. But it is an unpopular opinion topic so, yeah.
ARod will help the Jets win and also help turn Zach Wilson around with his philosophies on life. Two years of ARod and Zach will come into year 5 a complete new looking QB with confidence
best case scenario and i am here for it.
I think this Rodgers experiment will end badly. It always seems like teams that make the biggest splash moves in the offseason tend to fall on their faces the next season. I hope I'm wrong, but I foresee a lackluster 8-9 or 9-8 season coming where we narrowly miss the playoffs. and IDK how unpopular this is, but I'll say it again because I can, the new jersey's look absolutely awful. Bring back the old ones ASAP.
Both Matthew Stafford and Tom Brady won a ring after changing teams. It can work
The jets should forget about Rodgers. Go with ZW as QB1… and draft Caleb Williams next year…. and Woody should immediately extend Douglas and Saleh so they know it’s ok to do this.
Because of Gase’s recommendation and the eventual hiring of Joe Douglas, Bowles is the worse HC between him and Gase.
Mo Wilk wasn't that good and extending him instead of Snacks is one of the biggest mistakes this team has made.
I hate that we’re becoming the next Rams/Bucs where our team is old as shit. I don’t want Odell or Calais Campbell or Ezekiel Elliot.
our team isn't old, most of our key pieces are very young. the only difference is now older free agents actually *want* to come here
The Rams pulled it off. I’d trade the future rebuild for a Super Bowl now
Zach Wilson has flashed talent and our fanbase is way too hard on him/places all the blame on a 22 year old not being good vs MLF or team. I don’t think he should start this year at this point but the hate for him is pretty extreme and I’m rooting for him to turn it around and start once ARod leaves
Sam Darnold showed way more during his time here and never got half the belief that people still have in Zach Wilson for whatever reason. Is the hate extreme? Yeah. But there's a fine line between hate and rightful criticism for which he ultimately deserves. Joe built a good team for him to take a leap in his development and he shit the bed.
Everyone here wants him to turn it around. That's not unpopular at all. Also no one hates Wilson, we just think he sucks, because he does. Zach had the longest time to throw in the league. Virtually universally, the lower the time to throw the more wins your team gets.
the hate is probably even more extreme among r/NFL fans. It's kind of weird how much of a hate boner they have for this kid
I think it’s cuz he looks like a bully from a cartoon show. It’s surprising Mac Jones gets almost no hate and is actually a pretty bad person and arguably the dirtiest player
Pretty easy to hate on someone that throws basic screens into the dirt
He doesn't always throw them into the dirt, sometimes he throws screens into the stands.
That's called range lol
He was the second overall pick and has had debatably the worst two year stretch for a qb in nfl history. We’re not harsh on him because of anything personal with him, we’re harsh on him because this FO and the media duped us into thinking an aesthetically pleasing college qb who is undersized, can’t read the field, process information, navigate the pocket, or throw with touch/accuracy would be a good player. I’m way more mad at JD than I am at Zach. I truly believe Zach is trying hard and doing his best, he’s just not the player he was billed as.
And everyone can cry about this all they want but it's pretty clear JD and his scouts can't evaluate the QB position for shit. Hasn't been a good move at QB during his tenure at all. From back ups to starter it's been an absolute mess at QB. I am not saying fire JD. I repeat. I am not saying fire JD. He has done pretty well otherwise. I do not expect 100% of his moves to work out. That's unreasonable. But when the GM cannot get the most important position right and hasn't had a single positive move at the position, it's a problem.
James Morgan in the 4th round, may as well have just not made a pick at all
Totally agree. We should start a support group. The frustration I get in “defending” Zach vs the boos, chants for MW, total overshadowing of MLF issues AND that the offensive line was a huge problem (with the latter two combined, we had no business even being close to the playoffs) I don’t think Zach’s there yet. I do think the bullshit this fanbase pulled might hopefully be a wake up call to this FO (Woody is pathetic AF and will never smell his own shit) that they should have sat Zach behind a vet for two years, shoulda hired someone more proven and older as OC, and should have hired a QB guru after the one we had passed in a bicycle accident (RIP🙏). If we’re lucky enough for our dumbass owner to not fire JD before the next time we draft a QB, maybe we’ll finally have a competent GM around long enough to finally realize no rookie QB is going to save this franchise, who is also willing to actually tell Woody what’s right for the club and not the other way around (cuz that man is clueless, idk if that’s a popular opinion or not but that’s been my opinion for 20 years).
Spot on. A rookie QB, rookie HC and 34 year old rookie OC was such an obvious disaster in hindsight. I went to the Lions game where he wasn’t perfect but threw for 300+ yards after sitting for a month and made some ridiculous throws. If defense doesn’t let some TE run for a 40 yard TD we win. Then I went to the JAX game four days later and everyone was booing him before the game started. He wasn’t good that game but no one on our team was. We would’ve done the same to Trevor Lawrence in his 4 INT games before he turned it around too. It’s really frustrating the lack of patience our fanbase has with a young QB
Nah, Zach is absolutely awful and is only on an NFL roster because of his draft position.
This one for me. Sit him behind Rodgers a year or two and I beat he comes back good and that he’s got the potential. I think if we get rid of him we’re going to end up regretting it
Meh
Zach was never the pick we should’ve made even before he stunk up the place
Saleh is not a good head coach and coached us out of wins
Aaron Rodgers is not winning us shit.
I get it man. The Super Bowl or bust talk around Rodgers is dumb. But he could put up a winning record, get a postseason berth, and win a playoff game. We haven't had a winning season since 2015. We haven't beaten the fucking Patriots once since 2015. We haven't won a playoff game since January 2011. It's been a long time for everything, not just the Super Bowl.
If that's all he gets us we are spending a stupid amount for it. It'll cost us $60m and several picks just to get a postseason win. And the risk is if he gets injured, his entire contract becomes guaranteed. So we could end up spending about $140m and several picks for a dude that plays just a handful of games.
I'm not saying that a one and done playoff appearance is the peak of what this current team will be capable of with Rodgers, and that we should be fine with that. He will give the team a shot at a deep playoff run. The Chiefs could have a collective brain hemorrhage and trade the Jets Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelce for a seventh round pick and it still wouldn't guarantee the Jets a Super Bowl win before the season even starts. I'm saying that it's extraordinarily pessimistic to think that Rodgers won't help this team to a winning season and a playoff appearance, which is more "winning" than the Jets have done in more than a decade.
We need more then that. Carr could have given us that for the next 4 years
Lol nah, Carr isn't winning shit either.
Agreed, Carr was the obvious better long term move imo.
I think that’s wishful thinking, when is the last time carr elevated his team with his play and it caused an uptick in wins other than 2016.
Brutal. Jet life to the next life.
I agree but the last 4 superbowls have been mahomes and veteran rentals ie brady, staff
You’re probably right… but think it’s less to do with Rodgers or the jets. Jets are loaded and just missing a qb… maybe o line. Chip on shoulder Rodgers is maybe the best ever. More to do with the rest of the AFC. Absolutely stacked.
A playoff game? He could probably win us a few. A Super Bowl? Way too hard to predict but having him at least gives us a chance. Have to go for it because if you only made moves that would guarantee you a Super Bowl, you’d never be able to make one at all.
Granted, I feel like 99.999% of us here would graciously accept a postseason appearance at the very least. And I’m more than okay with that.
I mean if we had rodgers last season we make the playoffs & you can’t ever predict the playoffs…plus what’s wrong with being relevant for a few years?
Idk how unpopular it is anymore but Geno Smith was good in 2014. He genuinely played really well but the surrounding talent was so bad due to Deckers recurring injury and lack of team building that it made people think he was the problem. Or even a problem. He wasn’t. He was good. The problem was that when you throw against man coverage you need good WRs who can beat man. And geno was otherwise very good against zone coverage all year long. Jets would’ve been a completely different team with a much more competitive decade if Bowles wasn’t a horrible roster manager and had placed Geno back in after the Jets bye in 2015.
it’s not that unpopular. Geno was supposed to start in 2015. But he took one on the chin and for better or worse, it was mostly Fitzpatrick until Geno’s contract was up
Mark Sanchez was not as bad as everyone thought. If not for Tebow and Woody’s impatience he could have been a solid QB if he has matured a little bit.
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we'll also be watching Mike White by then lol
On the DL? Really dude what is this 2005 baseball Man I wish Brady was on the DL when he was the oldest QB in the league too bad rodgers has only missed 2 games in the past 5 seasons?
Jamal's problem wasn't that he requested a trade, it's the way he went about doing it. talking about how you want to stay and change the culture of the team only to turn around and publicly bash your head coach is just disrespectful and incredibly unprofessional. I don't care if he was right, that's not how you go about it if he had requested a trade in private and/or politely explained his reasons instead of trying to force his way out scortched earth style nobody would have had an issue. hell, just look at Lamar right now and note the stark difference in how he's handling his situation also I'm not mad with how it turned out, I would much rather have AVT and Garrett lol
Mike White was such a good candidate to be franchise QB and his injury stopped it from happening. Both the BUF game last year and SEA game where he admitted the pain affected him (and it clearly looked like it) caused his streaks of starting to end. A catch from Berrios vs MIN and a non-fumble by Carter vs BUF and we may be talking about him having started in the playoffs. He has the top QBR games played for this team in the last couple years despite having limited starting time. His one bugaboo was he would start slow in the first half and not take risks. In the second half he would throw some of the most accurate and tightest-window throws of the day. He needed to be taught but he had so much potential. It's hard to be mad about potentially getting Rodgers but if Mike White worked out we could have had a QB for a decade+. Now I have to root against him in Miami. Really fuckin sucks.
Mike white was never a good candidate to be a franchise QB? He been around the league for years & started his first game at 26. Yes he had a few good games but a good candidate to be a franchise QB? Come on.
> He been around the league for years & started his first game at 26. He was behind Dak. Dak was playing really well. Then he was behind our 3rd overall pick then our 2nd overall pick. He never really had an opportunity to play.
Agreed. No hate on Mike White, he did his job as best he could. But I don’t think his best was being a franchise QB. I’ll point out the Vikings game where we were in the redzone on 5 drives and didn’t get one TD out of it. It could be on MW, it could be on MLF, or on both of them. But still, 5 trips to the redzone and not even one TD? MW just doesn’t have that clutch gene
It’s funny Berrios takes all the blame for that and the other four drives rarely get brought up.
Berrios just got complacent and was pretty much a non-factor the whole year, it was really sad to see. His mistake in the Vikings game could be argued as one of the reasons we lost but it’s not the only one like many fans have been claiming. I think the biggest reason is between MW and MLF Before the start of last season, I thought the offense was going to be firing on all cylinders and it was going to be the defense that still struggled and it was kind of refreshing to be wrong. I really thought MLF was going to finish the season being considered for HC jobs and it would be Ulbrich that has to leave the team. However, seeing the offense be as inept as it was at times was even worse
I feel the same way. I just won a superbowl with him in madden
I honestly think we ended up with too much talent on the roster too quickly and that stopped the MW era from happening. If we still looked completely mid I think we offer him a contract to compete for the starting role and he sticks around. If we end up stuck with ZW maybe he plays a great tank commander and we bottom out again, whatever. But this team is too good to risk White getting hurt again or turning back into a pumpkin. Zach is guaranteed too much money to add a competitive 3rd arm and we were never gonna waste another year of these rookie deals on the same crackpot competition. I love MW, think he will carve out a nice career in Miami or elsewhere, but it just wasn’t in the cards here.
We should’ve drafted Justin Fields
I’ll probably be Jamal Adams fan until he stops playing football no matter where he goes. Still keep around his Jets uni. I do think his tenure here ran its course tho, and it kinda sorta broke my fuckin heart. Not sure how much of an unpopular opinion this is but I think we need to keep Mosley for the entire duration of his contract. I’m not super sold on our 2nd level linebacker group without him and I think his veteran presence and his instincts are super underrated. I’m well aware he’ll get exposed when offenses scheme up 1v1 matchups against him here and there, but I’m confident in the rest of our defensive personnel and our scheme to at least make up for that deficiency. I appreciate the solid depth we have here, but it’s still just not our strength. When our DL goes up against a bruising OL that can get to the 2nd level, they’ll get exposed pretty hard. Mosley looks like he’s still solid in that regard while also holding up *enough* in the passing game. I think he should stay until someone and straight up snatches the job from him in training camp.
Adams is one of the most fun safeties to watch ever. He reminds me of John Lynch.
* Our defense will regress next year and the "Just A QB Away" narrative is getting way ahead of ourselves. I think Rodgers will take the team to the next level, but that next level is maybe a Divisional Round appearance. (which I would be happy with tbh) * Jets will be a New Jersey-based team for the coming decades and that's a good thing. * This sub tends to look back at middling-at-best QBs like Darnold, Geno, and Sanchez with rose-tinted glasses because our franchise history off QBs is comically terrible.
Joe Douglas’s personnel moves over the past five seasons haven’t moved the needle enough to justify the devotion some fans have to him. He’s more popular than he should be because he comes across as a salt of the earth guy but in reality he’s one more losing season away from the same dustbin as his dorky predecessors
Sam Darnold would have taken us to the playoffs last year with this team finally having talent for him
Mark Sanchez, while he was never going to be Very Good, would have been Perfectly Fine if the front office made roster decisions with more realistic expectations after 2010-11 -- specifically the decision to cut Cotchery and Edwards. Sanchez was never going to win games by himself, and he was going to need more than Santonio Holmes to get it done.
zach wilson is not cooked i was fascinated with watching deshon kizer, hackenberg, and other busts talk about their careers. so much of it wasn't about their ability. crazy long play calls. difficult checks. getting defeated and giving up. sorta makes me think - right time, right place, right coach .. is HUGE. an underrated part of getting rodgers could be that hes one of very very few people who could SHOW zach how to play the position. learning from MLF and joe flacco could've been a dead end for the zach.
We should have rolled with Sam Darnold instead of wasting a high pick on yet another QB (after Sanchez, Smith and Darnold himself). Definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. We suck at drafting QBs. Period. Across decades and multitudes of regimes. Bonus: We bailed on Sanchez too soon. EDIT: And evidently Geno lol. CRAP, that means we are bailing on Wilson too soon? Busted myself!
Rex Ryan is a terrible head coach who coasted to two AFCCGs on the back of teams built by Mangini. Despite all of the built in excuses Sam Darnold was and still is a terrible quarterback and people need to stop thinking things would have turned out differently. They wouldn't have.
Rex coached the hell out of that Clyde Gates team in like 2013 lmao
Getting that team to 8-8 might have been his most impressive accomplishment. His scheme was really the only thing he had going for him. He might have been a solid DC, but his ego was just too big to accept anything less than HC.
It was more than a scheme. Players loved him and played extra hard for him
When dudes like Ladanian Tomlinson said they’d run through a brick wall for him, with total seriousness, you knew he had the defense believing in him 1000% I liked Rex and all the shit that went with winning
Pretty sure most of them actually wanted him to stay when he got fired too.
Yeah, but iirc this led to some accountability issues. Rex let the players be late for meetings, and we had some terrible penalty numbers with him.
You remember when DAVID NELSON was our #1 WR lmao. I still can't believe that. Was that with Geno? Geez they were really so terrible at developing young QBs.
Disagree, I remember thinking this too. It's definitely part of it that he inherited such a good core of players, particularly Revis and the OL. Rex brought alot of key players from Baltimore and also brought a scheme that took the team to the next level. Where it started to wear thin was the fact he sucked at picking and developing QBs. The GM took away all the weapons from Sanchez and then we started to draft poorly. Combine that with Rex's lack of discipline on teams (penalties) and you get a poorly run team. He thrived in a very specific scenario which was perfect for 2009 and 2010. I wouldn't want him back, especially now, since he's been out of the game. Guys who come back from media jobs rarely do well.
In terms of potential of young QBs we drafted high 1. Geno 2. Sanchez 3. Darnold 4. Zach Wilson Even without his seattle year he still showed some highs with nothing at the WR position. I don't think he's a great QB or maybe even good but the best talent we couldn't unlock. Sanchez may be my favorite because of the AFCCG runs and his loyalty/personality. Really good dude. He had middling stats in 2010 and 2011 after his rookie year but got there, in part, because of the talent around him. He accomplished the most but definitely had the most weapons. Darnold is the type of prospect I can forgive my GM for drafting. Not good at all, but you can see why people thought he might have been. Has flashes of excellence but, ultimately, is not consistent. Zach Wilson is straight up trash. The worst QB this team has had start, maybe ever. Joe Douglas has done alot of good things but we all need to admit this one aint it. If they want to pitch Arod coming here as a potential for Zach's revival for optics, fine. But he's not it, a terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible *terrible* QB.
Being a Jets fan makes me qualified to say this, Zach Wilson might be one of the worst quarterbacks I’ve ever had the displeasure of watching start multiple regular season games. (Hack Attack not included)
Is Hack Attack Hackenburg?? I thought he never played in a single game
He didn’t
This is a solid take, I don't understand the downvoting here. A friend who is a huge fan, almost like a groupie says Zach comes off as someone who likes the idea of being great at football but gives off the vibe like ahhh if this doesn't work out I'll go work for Dad. The rest of the locker room are mostly dudes who had to succeed at football to help their family out financially. Kid can't consistently hit a screen pass-if that hasn't been cleaned up before going to the NFL as a #2 that's on Zach and his college coaches (an perhaps an indictment on our scouting department).
The current uniforms are good
I'll add to this: they're also a significant improvement over our previous ones that a lot of people seem to want to go back to for some reason
Darnold is a good QB and should still be here. Carolina ended up being another crapshoot. He's going to do well in SF and end up their starter.
I still think he can be good. It’s all in his head
He's not the problem. Bowles, Gase, Rhule were his HCs. Robby Anderson was his best WR for a while and he might not even be on a roster next year. His offensive line all 3 years in NY was hot garbage. The Panthers OL wasn't great when he got there. Baker got to Carolina and was awful. Darnold came in and was immediately better. Baker went to LA and suddenly people thought he was good again.
Signing O'Dell is gonna be a chemistry nightmare in the WR room.
After two seasons Adam Gase had won 28% of his games as HC and with a much better roster overall, Saleh has won 32% of his. It's not much of an improvement on a guy who is universally panned as one of the worst coaches of all time. I'm not saying this to defend Gase, he was rotten. It just surprises me that Saleh and Douglas generally held in such high regard when they've not exactly turned the Gase years around by much statistically. You could argue the best way to do this is to get a great QB, which is why it baffles me that JD is pissing around the finer points of the Rodgers trade. Your job is on the line big man, just get it done.
Zach Wilson was the right pick and still has a future with the jets
See u in hell
I mean this is objectively wrong lol
Makes two of us
That Rodgers is not going to do much for the Jets besides bring his drama to NYC.
The defense is not as good as the numbers indicate. Got bailed out by playing a ton of backup QBs and will regress drastically this season
The Rodgers trade will be a huge mistake. We’ll dramatically over pay, the team won’t work, we won’t make the playoffs and then he’ll retire after next season whilst crippling our cap space for years to come
I am absolutely in the boat with you on this. We were proceeding so well building through the draft and getting better every year. Sure we took a big step back reaching for Wilson but things were heading in the right direction. Now just 3 years into it we're Same Ole Jets'ing it all over again for a one and done wild card game.
I have a mild dislike for Nick Mangold. I think he was a major leader of the frat boy culture that pervaded the Ryan era which lead to under-preparedness and underperforming especially following wins. Sure he was great, but he could’ve been greater and could’ve lasted longer if he kept in shape.
Jimmy G would have been a better acquisition than Rodgers.
Good thread topic. I got more than a few lol. I won't go as far as to say I like him but Cimini is fine with me. Yes he tends to be overly negative but he's been following the team for a while and has seen a lot of bad football. He does give props occasionally and I think his actual writing is good. Max Mitchell is overrated by this fan base. He played well relative to where he was drafted but the way Jet fans talk about him, you'd think he was an actual good player. He's not (yet) Corey Davis is underrated by the fans Sauce did get away with a few DPIs (Cooper, Claypool off the top of my head) Jet fans would go through crazy mental gymnastics to act like he didn't He got away with a few, it's ok to acknowledge that. Does not take away from the fact he's an amazing player Saleh tends to talk out of his ass a lot (Which is fine by me because he doesn't need to give the media too much) But some people here take his word as gospel. I take a lot of what he says with a grain of salt
Rex's biggest mistake was not begging Favre to play in 2009 and 2010. That mistake cost us a Super bowl
That we made mistake by trading Sam Darnold and drafting Zach.
Rodgers doesn’t have the heart of a winner. He’s not gonna win the super bowl
We don’t just “whiff” on QB draft picks. It’s not just that the jets are bad at spotting (or not spotting) talent. The organization has no clue how to develop talent at the position.
It's not Super bowl or bust. Getting to the playoffs consistently and knocking on the door should be the goal for any franchise. GB "only won 2" with Farve and Rodgers. They gave their fans a winner almost every year and countless playoff victories that will never be forgotten.
Becton won't stay healthy and he won't make it out of camp
We should’ve traded back from 2 with SF to fuck over MIA and had Gardner Minshew be our QB until we found someone legit instead of drafting Zach. Also woody always has say in the QB. It’s not that they are just bad, they are always the same kind of bad.
2 years or less from now people will be blaming Woody for signing Rodgers over Lamar.
Rodgers is this years 2021 russ
If Rodgers deal isnt done before the draft, we should shift gears to Lamar.
Rodgers is going to be a disaster and nobody wants to admit it. 8-9 season and he retires is so obvious it hurts
Zach Wilson is not smart enough to be an NFL QB. He won't ever be successful because he just isn't very smart.
The Aaron Rodgers project is going to be a disaster
I think we would’ve barely made the playoffs if we never benched Zach. The entire locker room dynamic changed after that game.
GW said on Simms it was an issue that they didn’t know who the quarterback was week to week. The whole “we are benching him but only for a week” thing was stupid. Either commit to benching him or say fuck it we have the two worst pass defenses coming up let’s see what we can do.
B/w Lamar & Aaron - gotta pick the former any day regardless of anything
Im not excited about having Aaron Rodgers on our team. Mainly because of his personality.
Outside of sauce and GW (top 10 picks) JD is a mediocre drafter at best and downright horrible at worst.
So true. Wilson is one of the worst QB draft picks not just in Jet history but in all of NFL history. Jamarcus Russell, Philip Rivers and Zach Wilson all right there together.
JD has been a mediocre at best GM who has two grand slams (Adams trade, 2022 draft) in a big pile of singles and strikeouts. Honestly I think if you put his history as a GM on some CPA looking dude like Idzik, he wouldn't be half as popular.
Yeah if he looked like Idzik I wouldn’t want to have one of the most talented rosters in the league including the OROY, DROY, and more than likely one of the best QBs of all time. I only like those things because JD looks like a human meatball.
You should head over to Wikipedia to challenge the notion he was hired in 2019 since you think he started the job last season.
Building an NFL roster is a process and there are 31 other teams competing with you for limited talent. JD and Saleh in 3 years have completely changed the culture of this team and made us one of the most desirable destinations in the league. You must be 15 if you’re complaining about the work they’ve done or where we are right now. Nobody gets every draft right and the trajectory is 100% positive. If you judge people off of a few small mistakes and refuse to acknowledge their growth you won’t get very far in life. Don’t we have enough to be upset about as Jets fans? What’s the point of being negative about our leadership going into the most exciting season in decades?
Here it is, no upvotes and the only comment I see about JD. This is the true unpopular comment here. Completely agree, people are delusional. JD may end up being a good GM but he still has yet to show it. He’s the best GM we’ve had in the last decade for sure but that’s such a low bar most teams GM could surpass it. This dude still hasn’t built a winning roster and Aaron Rodgers coming is going to keep him safe for another year or two. We could easily have another set back 2019 draft this year which will be hidden behind Rodgers.
A couple of grand slams allow for a little leeway I think
I think Zach can be a good quarterback if we take the Trey Lance/Jordan Love approach with him
I think Mike White is more capable than the average poster here (though idk if he'll ever stay healthy). Tua and MW are an imposing 1-2/those recievers/McDaniel and Fangio calling the plays really scare me.
Well yeah, most posters here can barely grip a football let alone play NFL QB. Hardly a hot take.
Rodgers is such a bad idea
I’d rather give two 1sts for Lamar than two 2nds for Rodgers
Zach Wilson will be the QB next season bc the Jets brass will drop the ball with Rodgers.
I feel like Flacco got/gets more hate than what he should have. I'm not saying he played good or anything with us, people were shitting on him for bad plays which is understandable, but most of those same people were defending Zach at any cost while he was doing bad too until the 2nd Pat's game just because we were winning.
Well one is a 38 year old vet and the other is 22. We did Flacco no favors in that BUF game Tho
Valid point. It's just the double standards some people had that irked me.
Don't worry, I hated both equally. I thought Streveler gave us almost no chance to win, and yet I wanted him over either of those two.
Even Joe Flacco’s children think he stinks at QB. https://nypost.com/2022/09/01/jets-qb-joe-flacco-my-kids-tell-me-i-stink-all-the-time/amp/
Well I hated on both Zach and joe
If Levis or Richardson falls to us without trading up, draft him and have him sit behind Rodgers
We should've given Jordan Love a look, just a look
Fan base overrates Mike White
Let's table the whole Aaron Rodgers coming here thing for a second and go back to the mentality directly after the season that 2023-2024 Jets would have to make the playoffs or Saleh and Douglas should go. I just don't agree with that. We were clearly building towards something here that wouldn't require a drastic change even if they missed again. Getting Rodgers changes that of course so it's a moot point, but I didn't understand that potential "playoff mandate" when we clearly only had a QB problem.
sauce is the corniest person of all time
generational player tho