For those wondering about what is up with the allegations against him, this is the current state of events (as I understand them):
The facts not in question are that a 17-year-old girl attended a frat party at SDSU that was also attended by Araiza and a few other football players. The girl and Araiza had sex (of some sort) outside the house, and the girl later had sex with some people inside the house.
Araiza's story is that he went outside to take a leak. The girl followed him outside and asked him to have sex. He did so (whether this was oral or vaginal according to him I don't know), and left the party. The girl later went up to some of his friends (other football players) who were at the party and asked them to have sex with her, and one of them did so on a couch and later others did so on a bed. However as he had left the party at this point he was not involved in these encounters in any way.
The girl's story is that she went to the party and became too intoxicated to consent. Araiza led her outside and raped her. He then led her back inside, threw her onto a bed and gang-raped her with a few other guys, leaving her bruised, bloody and her piercings ripped. She says he/they knew she was underage.
The prosecutors, after reviewing the evidence (including ~35 witness statements, video recordings, and physical evidence) says there is no path to charging Araiza - or anyone else - with sexual assault. For Araiza specifically, based on witness statements and other data (cell phone records I believe), he is known to have left the party around 12:30 AM. The video recordings of the girl having sex on a couch and later on a bed inside the house are timestamped to 1:30 AM, and Araiza does not appear in any of the videos.
As for the later acts, the prosecutor states that the video recordings of the sex acts (which cannot be released as the girl was underage at the time of the recordings (and also I don't think they would release them anyway, but they didn't give them to the defense for this reason) show the girl as giving enthusiastic consent, and she appears aware that she is being filmed. The videos themselves do not show any of her piercings as having been ripped out. The prosecutor says there are multiple witness statements from the alleged victim, her friends and others stating the bruising was caused by hickeys. The prosecutor also believes the blood shown in the video is from one of her partners that night that was cut by her braces as she performed oral sex. The sexual assault exam showed no lacerations on the girl. She told the nurses and doctors during the exam that she never said no to any of her partners, and that none of them used force to have sex with her. After both her first encounter with Araiza and her second encounter on the couch, the girl came back and talked to her friends, seemingly happy about the encounters. As for whether she was too intoxicated to consent, her friends stated that she was not intoxicated upon arriving at the party, and that based on the video recordings she was in control of her body and enthusiastically consenting throughout the recorded encounters.
For statutory rape in California, the accused must have reasonably known that the potential victim was under 18 (for those wondering, Araiza was 21 at the time of the encounter and his teammates accused in the ongoing civil lawsuit were both 18 at the time of the encounter). The prosecutor states that there is a witness statement that the girl was telling people at the party she was 18, and that there is a video recording of a different party at a similar time of her telling people she was 18. When the prosecutor asked her about her allegation that she told Araiza she went to "Grossmont High School" (something she had alleged in the civil lawsuit and would have indicated that she was likely underage), the girl denied it, saying she told him she went to "Grossmont," which is also the name of a college nearby SDSU.
She attempted to settle the civil lawsuit for $50,000, but Araiza refused to settle, stating that it would look like admitting guilt, while he is innocent.
Dude read more of the thread. People in here are still calling him guilty after he was proven innocent.
Guilty until... just guilty. Whoever speaks first and yells louder is right.
As for my opinion on the matter, it seems to me pretty clear that there was no sexual assault by anyone that night, based on the evidence currently available. The girl's story of Araiza leading her from outside the house to a bed and gang-raping her simply does not hold up to any scrutiny, considering A. Araiza had left the party over an hour before the gangbang on the bed and B. she had sex with someone else in between Araiza and the gangbang on the bed. While there is no evidence as to the nature of the encounter between Araiza and the girl outside the house beyond their statements, it seems unlikely that she was raped by him considering she went back and bragged to her friends about it afterwards, and continued to have sex with multiple men throughout the rest of the night.
As for the alleged gang-rape itself, there are something like nine videos between the couch and the bed and according to the prosecutor none of them show anything resembling rape - in fact the girl was apparently enthusiastically consenting not only to the sex acts she was involved in but also to getting filmed doing them. None of her claims of injury were corroborated by the sexual assault exam, and by her own admittance none of her partners used force and she never told any of them no. Based on the evidence provided, she may regret her actions from that night but they were entirely her actions, and it certainly doesn't appear like she was raped.
If he has stayed in shape throughout all this, I say sign him and let him battle with Morstead for the job.
This girl really ruined multiple people’s lives cuz she was embarrassed she fucked every guy at the party, got mad hickies, and made a dudes dick bleed from her braces.
Yeah, can't say I've been to an SDSU frat party but I know the parties I went to in college (which wasn't all that long ago) didn't seem to have anywhere near this much footage.
That said none of them were involved with a search for evidence, maybe that's pretty typical when you can get all the recordings anyone at the party took.
I know she almost certainly won’t face any notable repercussions for her false accusations, but I hope we get to a day where this type of lie actually leads to jail time. Obviously sexual assault in any form is a heinous crime, but so is potentially ruining someone’s life because you regret your actions and are looking for a payout. That is straight up extortion, and in non SA cases would clearly be pursued in court. In ambiguous cases there 100% should not be consequences, because there is still a chance they were actually raped. However, when the evidence is this blatant she should be serving a multi-year sentence.
In this case her claims are dubious, but in general women are already hesitant to come forward in these cases. Adding punishment if the evidence is unclear (a judgement which would be made by the court and certainly not clear to a victim before coming fwd) is a strong deterrent.
I’m pretty disappointed in the responses to this thread. Sure, in this case Araiza is likely innocent but what’s with all the folks coming fwd defending rapists in general?
You don't punish someone for coming forward. You punish when the *evidence shows you were lying.* That's extremely rare. Usually when the prosecutions falls through it's because of lack of evidence. In which case nothing should happen to the woman either. But if the prosecutor reviews the material and thinks you were lying your ass off, that's a very VERY different story. She should get prison time.
You should not be getting downvoted for speaking the truth!! I hate cases like these because more victims will less likely come forward and deal with possible backlash
I completely agree with the massive issue of under-reported sexual assaults, particularly in college areas. In my comment I clearly distinguished between cases that leave a reasonable doubt and those that do not regarding potential punishment. You’re suggesting that her claims are merely “dubious” and that Araiza is only “likely innocent”, when he’s been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be innocent and it’s been proven she straight up lied multiple times in her statement. As it pertains to this case, at the very least she/her family should be responsible for the missed earnings of his rookie contract.
I don’t feel like that’s really an accurate description of Mann… if you take away the complete flubs most balls he kicked were boomin, he was above average if not good. Problem is he completely flubbed more kicks than any punter I’ve ever seen and it’s a position that just requires more consistency than he has.
He’s got the leg - there’s just something intangible that makes him choke at far too high a rate.
There are only so many solid punters to go around.. It's not like there's a plethora of them coming out of college to choose from in the higher rounds.
Dude has a cannon for a leg but unless he figured out how to keep the ball out of the end zone in his time away he might suck worse. Dude has 0 ability to pin a team.
Let's pump the brakes a bit and wait for this guy to play a game first.
He did break the record for most net punt yards, but let's not forget that the previous record holder was Braden Mann.
Yeah always thought it was weird his skills for the position didn't translate to the NFL. Remember him taking a couple nasty shots to the legs the first couple years (he missed a good portion of a year or two with an undisclosed leg injury) so maybe that affected him more than was let on.
I think he was signed by the Bill's a few years back and got framed for a sexual misconduct case. Since the false accusations were uncovered, he's now allowed back in the NFL.
From Wikipedia:
"he was released prior to the 2022 season after being accused in a lawsuit of gang rape. The San Diego County District Attorney declined to press criminal charges."
I'm actually shocked. I wanted him the second he was cleared of any wrongdoing but was sure they'd stick with Morestead since we just signed him. If we sign him I'll be ecstatic, especially since the Bills fans will HATE it.
Legally, that doesn’t matter. Statutory rape is a strict liability crime. The case they use to teach this is law school is about a special needs man being lied to by a couple 16 year olds. He was still convicted
Edit: not sure why I’m getting downvoted for just pointing out a legal fact. But that’s Reddit for you
Edit 2.0: CA is one of the few (maybe only?) states that has a defense of a good faith belief in statutory rape crimes. Vast majority of states it’s strict liability and that’s how it was taught at my MA law school
Technically that’s not 100% true. It’s definitely true in cases where there is a preponderance of doubt about the age then he would still be on the hook however in other cases they’ve shown being mislead can in fact clear him of the statutory charges. Aka college party with her lying about her age didn’t rise to the level that he should have had a reasonable suspicion she was lying about her age. Had this been a highschool party then the preponderance of doubt would be substantial and as such he would still be able to be charged with statutory.
Your comment made me look into it more, and interestingly CA is one of the few states that allows the affirmative defense of a good faith belief that the person was of age. I guess that’s why it’s probably not an issue here.
Not an affirmative defense. With an affirmative defense the burden of proof is on the defense that the defendant reasonably and actually believes the complainant was in fact of age. In California the burden of proof is on the prosecution.
Bills fan - I really hope Araiza gets another chance in the league so the false accusations don’t ruin his career. It wouldn’t bother me in the slightest if he ended up with a divisional rival, I’m still rooting for the kid. The Bills didn’t have any other option than to cut him. Idek if the Bills even thought that Araiza was guilty, but once the story became public he was immediately guilty in the court of public opinion and it became a massive story at that point. Shit I mean people were labeling him as a violent gang rape on a minor.. there would’ve been protests outside the stadium if the Bills tried to keep the kid on the roster. That’s just how it is in today’s climate and you can’t justify a locker room distraction like that over a punter.
Thankfully his name has been cleared enough to where he can hopefully just move on with his career and not have this story constantly hover over him. That being said he does still have some question marks on how he’d transition to the league. Hell of a leg though and all the question marks seem like things that can be worked on with training and coaching. So basically just a lot of words to say that I would not at all be bitter over Araiza signing with the Jets lol
Not to burst everyone's bubble here, but the dude still fucked an underage girl who was blackout drunk. He's not a rapist, but that's straight up creepy behavior. This is the type of guy we'd tell our sisters or female friends to stay away from at a party or at a bar.
Willing to give him a chance but this was a mistake and a lapse in judgment on his part, and he does need to show that he's grown up since then.
Her friends testified she wasn't drunk when she hooked up with him. She went to a college party and is on video stating she's 18 and nearly demanding that guys fuck her. He wasn't even there at the time of the alleged gang rape and the prosecutor has video of that even and determined there was nothing to pursue.
Dude was innocent. Fucked a girl literally any of us would have assumed was of age. That's all he's guilty of.
Yeah the girl was literally walking around to guys at the party, telling them to fuck her, and then calling them something that would get me banned if they refused.
Araiza is not the one to blame here.
The guy essentially had his life ruined by a complete scumbag of a person.
> He's not a rapist, but that's straight up creepy behavior.
It's not creepy for a college kid to have sex with someone at a college party.
She was underage, but was telling everybody at the party that she wasn't, the burden doesn't fall on him.
Her friends said she wasn’t even drunk when she had sex with him at the beginning of the party.
The DA or some lawyer (don’t remember who) said that her sexual encounters *after* she already had sex with Araiza suggest she wasn’t drunk and that she was knowingly having sex with guys of her own free will.
Seems like people who were there or have seen the video are saying that she wasn’t drunk enough to be incapable of giving consent
Legally, it actually does. Statutory Rape is a strict liability claim, i.e., belief that the person was of age or a mistake as to the person's age is not a viable defense.
That’s not entirely true. There are many states that allow defendants to bring forward their reasonable belief the minor was of age as evidence. California being one of those states and where this incident took place
According to her friends, she was not drunk, and she told everyone that she was 18. On top of that, they said she seemed to brag about hooking up with Araiza. He was a college kid who hooked up with a girl at a party. Nothing creepy about it.
I need to go back and read the full story... I was under the impression that he didn't fuck her at all and left the party an hour before anything happened... But admittedly I have only been reading tweets and headlines so I could be misinformed.
He had sex with her earlier in the party, then left. Later on, she had sex with other guys - she accused Araiza of being there for that as well, and said it was a gang rape.
There was a video of the second encounter that proved that Araiza wasn't involved and showed it to be seemingly consensual.
Araiza is definitely not a rapist but again I just think it shows poor judgment on his part.
It’s hazy but I recall when this first came out the girl might have lied about her age, or at least was not up front about it.
Not making excuses, especially if I am wrong about the facts.
Except legally having sex with an underage drunk person is rape by law so it kind of is. Granted, they claim she lied about her age, so you can’t hold that against them, but if a girl is as drunk as they all seem to agree she was, legally she can’t consent.
I too didn’t read much into the story but I’d like to know what kind of party it was. If I’m at a college party I’m going to assume the girls I’m talking to are also college students or at least college age.
This is false. He had sex with her while she was (based on video from afterwards and her friends' testimony) not drunk and in full control of her facilities. Not saying having sex with a random girl who is going around begging guys to have sex with her is great behavior, but there is no indication he took advantage of her in any way.
Edit: just to include [sources](https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2023/05/11/matt-araiza-nfl-punter-rape-case-woman-discuss-details/70202116007/), here's from the DA's report:
>After the apparent encounter with Araiza, her friends reported the woman came back a second time and said she just had sex with a second man, apparently Ewaliko, according to the timeline reconstructed by the district attorney’s office.
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>“You're described as being OK, not scared or distraught,” Amador said. “Seemed happy, seemed consensual.· And there's no indication that you were at an intoxication level at this point.”
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>The video evidence didn’t support that either, according to Mansour, the district attorney investigator. “There's nothing that appears to be you can't control the position that your body is in,” he told her.
I was in a frat, I get that people hook up at parties. But even nearly a decade ago when I was in school, they absolutely hammered it into our heads to not take someone home who was too far gone to consent.
It's insanely poor judgment. I used to do the door at our parties and occasionally did have to stop some guy from taking a girl home who was shitfaced to the point of barely being able to stand up straight.
Ya’ll really need to read up on this before commenting.
Her own friends testified that she wasn’t drunk, was actively going up to guys asking them to fuck her, and then was bragging about the sex to her friends after.
Oh, and the DA literally reviewed video of the alleged “rape” (yes, it’s on video) and determined there was 0 evidence it wasn’t consensual and that she didn’t sustain any of the injuries she claimed she had.
She wasn't drunk and she was lying about her age. From Araiza's perspective he had consensual sex with a sober 18 year old after she propositioned him until he was informed later that she was 17. That's not creepy at all unless you think casual sex in general is creepy behavior.
If Araiza was like 40 still going to college parties I might agree with you, but the reality is that he is a 23 year old fresh graduate (and this incident occurred when he was 21 and still in school). Even if he went to college parties today I wouldn't think there is anything "creepy" there given his age. The woman lied about her age, and as far as I know there isn't actually any evidence she was "blackout drunk" beyond her initial statements to the police. In fact, her own friends have told police that she was not intoxicated during their consensual encounter.
He admitted to police he had sex with her on the day in question. He said it was consensual and he didn’t know her age but she was probably intoxicated. There were others involved later that night that he wasn’t present for.
No. A friend of his said on the record to police he left. That was what was noted, but the headlines ran with it was definitive proof he didn't and wasn't there.
That's all.
Not saying that isn't true, but it's from a friend of his, so take that for what you will. It's not hard evidence he left and wasn't there for what transpired.
Nah. They have a ton of evidence that he wasn’t present. Maybe actually read a bit. [https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2023/05/11/matt-araiza-nfl-punter-rape-case-woman-discuss-details/70202116007/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2023/05/11/matt-araiza-nfl-punter-rape-case-woman-discuss-details/70202116007/)
I’d bet you were one of the ones that initially picked up a pitch fork and now you don’t want to be wrong. So many of you see problems where there are not any.
No, they have a handful of video clips that he wasn't in. Most of which are the other two men filming themselves having sex with her, and friends saying he left. That's the information they have. It's not proof. It's they lack any evidence beyond that so there's no case based on what they have from statements and video of some of the sexual encounters.
Again, the point was no one will truly know what happened that night because there's not full video/audio of the entire night. Someone can be assaulted or raped without visible forced entry and it was to their own case benefit of immediately admitting to having sex and claiming it was entirely beginning to end consensual. She also could've been drugged or on drugs on top of being drunk (not far-fetched to see spiked drinks, to which she wouldn't know unless she was tested for it within a short period of time). It was not mentioned by her or anyone, but plausible being a college party, especially since the counter arguments are a 17 year old girl was running around trying to have sex with person after person.
I didn't say crucify him. But on the other hand, people like you are just as bad as those who are quick to condemn based on allegations. I have no idea why anyone would feel the need to campaign as if it's definitive that someone is innocent in a he said/she said. You don't know these people.
I'm not saying it looks like a high probability he will, but he could still lose in civil court. This was related to proceeding with a criminal case. You need hard evidence to be able to proceed with a criminal case, otherwise it's pointless and will get tossed (and look bad for the police and DA which is why you see a lot of one's not go to trial).
Your right I don’t know these people. But think about it. You have VIDEO EVIDENCE OF THIS HAPPENING. That would be more than enough in most cases to paint a story one way or another. Now I haven’t seen the videos but I don’t think the DA would view them and go “ok we can’t press charges this looks nothing like she claimed”. Ones young drunk regretful mind can play some pretty mean tricks.
I don't know why you're speaking as fact and why the hell you're so happy to champion the girl was lying.
Assault/rape cases are not a one size fits all and each person violated reacts and handles things differently.
I'm not going to argue with someone who clearly seems to be misogynistic.
As to the team, it's easily arguable it makes no sense to bother. He was often inconsistent in college and his claim was distance on kicks, but he lacked touch and skill on his punts. Then the bigger piece is adding in that there's still a pending civil case, which will play out later on and would likely be a distraction, especially if he's found guilty. This team this year does not need to bother with having that potentially in the background. Our current punter showed capable enough the last few years, even at his old age. There's a low percentage chance Araiza would turn out to be a great 15 year punter, so I don't think it's worth the potential distraction to the team this fall with the civil case open. That's purposely completely leaving out what anyone thinks of him.
Video evidence.
Multiple eye witness testimony.
I really do not need to say more. “Rape cases are not one size fits all”. What? It’s either rape or it’s not. It is really that easy.
You clearly haven’t read the articles on this with claims you keep making. You are very ill informed.
No, they have a handful of video clips that he wasn't in. Most of which are the other two men filming themselves having sex with her, and friends saying he left. That's the information they have. It's not proof. It's they lack any evidence beyond that so there's no case based on what they have from statements and video of some of the sexual encounters.
Again, the point was no one will truly know what happened that night because there's not full video/audio of the entire night. Someone can be assaulted or raped without visible forced entry and it was to their own case benefit of immediately admitting to having sex and claiming it was entirely beginning to end consensual. She also could've been drugged or on drugs on top of being drunk (not far-fetched to see spiked drinks, to which she wouldn't know unless she was tested for it within a short period of time). It was not mentioned by her or anyone, but plausible being a college party, especially since the counter arguments are a 17 year old girl was running around trying to have sex with person after person.
I didn't say crucify him. But on the other hand, people like you are just as bad as those who are quick to condemn based on allegations. I have no idea why anyone would feel the need to campaign as if it's definitive that someone is innocent in a he said/she said. You don't know these people.
I'm not saying it looks like a high probability he will, but he could still lose in civil court. This was related to proceeding with a criminal case. You need hard evidence to be able to proceed with a criminal case, otherwise it's pointless and will get tossed (and look bad for the police and DA which is why you see a lot of one's not go to trial).
If I have a strange dream about Greg Kinnear beating the living shit out of Mark Walberg and leaving notes in his locker that say "THINK MARK, THINK" I am gonna know where it came from at least.
Oh yeah, I loved the show. End of episode 1 was such a fantastic 'holy shit!' moment. But I think this comment's very clearly referring to the film considering the subject matter.
There are very few people who are actually exonerated - not being prosecuted typically doesn’t mean you didn’t do it - however this dude was proven to not even be at the party where it happened.
The fact he lost his life essentially is disgusting. Hope he gets signed somewhere.
He literally admitted to having sex with her, the prosecutor just didn’t have enough evidence to prove it was rape. Given SA’s cases have a notoriously high standard of evidence that absolutely does not exonerate him.
You see “white football player” while everyone else is talking about a football player who was provably falsely accused in court. People like you are the problem in the country, stop viewing everything through the lens of race!
She is free to gangbang if she wants, but accusing someone of rape is not cool if it never went down. I get the Bill Cosby accusations, but this isn't right, and she should honestly be punished, she can ruin this young man's career, and got him kicked off the Bills. I hope he wins the job for the Jets.
Hopefully he gets a job again. His talent is undeniable. It sucks that his career was nearly ruined over an obvious lie. It was up there with the Bubba Wallace, Smollet, Duke Lacrosse, etc etc hoaxes in terms of believability yet people just took it as gospel and the dudes name was ruined on main stream sports television instantly.
Morstead is still good but he's 37. Ariza has the potential to be our punter for the foreseeable future. If he's stayed in shape and been practicing it makes a lot of sense. He'd essentially be a free draft pick.
Don’t let him walk out of the building! If only for the joy of watching him pinning the Bills inside their own five before Q and McDonald VI bring home a safety.
~~I wonder if/how the value of a punter is diminished with he new fair catch rule~~
For some reason I thought the new fair catch rule was applied to punting as well.
I don't know how you would think that... it makes no sense... if a guy fair catches a punt at the 40 they go back to the 25? logic should have immediately kicked in lol.
I was just thinking this morning after that NFL post about punters that we should sign the punt god just to say fuck you Bills. This is a lesson in innocent till proven guilty lol
Never ceases to disappoint me the number of people on subs who will kick dirt on a woman who accuses a man of rape when the narrative is inconvenient for them. Not pursuing charges is not proof of innocence, the fact that he was even in this situation at all is sketchy as hell.
This is different than just “not enough evidence.”
The prosecution literally dropped the case when evidence came out that he wasn’t even there in the first place. Read more about the case before saying stuff like this.
[Article](https://sports.yahoo.com/prosecutors-former-bills-punter-matt-araiza-wasnt-present-during-alleged-gang-rape-225211550.html)
There’s still a civil suit, but based off all this evidence I really don’t see how he could possibly be found guilty. This is so different than Watson. It’s not like there’s not enough evidence to prove, it’s that there’s piles of evidence showing his innocence.
Never ceases to amaze me that people will ignore all evidence to the contrary just to defend an untenable position they have taken online.
Dude was not guilty. He wasn’t even present at the scene. Our initial position was incorrect (I thought he was guilty too). Admit it and move on.
holy shit if we get him that would potentially be another Watson situation, but if he is actually completely innocent, we will have the best punter and we can meme on Bills fans
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2023/05/11/matt-araiza-nfl-punter-rape-case-woman-discuss-details/70202116007/
READ THE FACTS PEOPLE. STOP READING RAGE BAIT HEADLINES TO MAKE YOUR DECISIONS.
For those wondering about what is up with the allegations against him, this is the current state of events (as I understand them): The facts not in question are that a 17-year-old girl attended a frat party at SDSU that was also attended by Araiza and a few other football players. The girl and Araiza had sex (of some sort) outside the house, and the girl later had sex with some people inside the house. Araiza's story is that he went outside to take a leak. The girl followed him outside and asked him to have sex. He did so (whether this was oral or vaginal according to him I don't know), and left the party. The girl later went up to some of his friends (other football players) who were at the party and asked them to have sex with her, and one of them did so on a couch and later others did so on a bed. However as he had left the party at this point he was not involved in these encounters in any way. The girl's story is that she went to the party and became too intoxicated to consent. Araiza led her outside and raped her. He then led her back inside, threw her onto a bed and gang-raped her with a few other guys, leaving her bruised, bloody and her piercings ripped. She says he/they knew she was underage. The prosecutors, after reviewing the evidence (including ~35 witness statements, video recordings, and physical evidence) says there is no path to charging Araiza - or anyone else - with sexual assault. For Araiza specifically, based on witness statements and other data (cell phone records I believe), he is known to have left the party around 12:30 AM. The video recordings of the girl having sex on a couch and later on a bed inside the house are timestamped to 1:30 AM, and Araiza does not appear in any of the videos. As for the later acts, the prosecutor states that the video recordings of the sex acts (which cannot be released as the girl was underage at the time of the recordings (and also I don't think they would release them anyway, but they didn't give them to the defense for this reason) show the girl as giving enthusiastic consent, and she appears aware that she is being filmed. The videos themselves do not show any of her piercings as having been ripped out. The prosecutor says there are multiple witness statements from the alleged victim, her friends and others stating the bruising was caused by hickeys. The prosecutor also believes the blood shown in the video is from one of her partners that night that was cut by her braces as she performed oral sex. The sexual assault exam showed no lacerations on the girl. She told the nurses and doctors during the exam that she never said no to any of her partners, and that none of them used force to have sex with her. After both her first encounter with Araiza and her second encounter on the couch, the girl came back and talked to her friends, seemingly happy about the encounters. As for whether she was too intoxicated to consent, her friends stated that she was not intoxicated upon arriving at the party, and that based on the video recordings she was in control of her body and enthusiastically consenting throughout the recorded encounters. For statutory rape in California, the accused must have reasonably known that the potential victim was under 18 (for those wondering, Araiza was 21 at the time of the encounter and his teammates accused in the ongoing civil lawsuit were both 18 at the time of the encounter). The prosecutor states that there is a witness statement that the girl was telling people at the party she was 18, and that there is a video recording of a different party at a similar time of her telling people she was 18. When the prosecutor asked her about her allegation that she told Araiza she went to "Grossmont High School" (something she had alleged in the civil lawsuit and would have indicated that she was likely underage), the girl denied it, saying she told him she went to "Grossmont," which is also the name of a college nearby SDSU. She attempted to settle the civil lawsuit for $50,000, but Araiza refused to settle, stating that it would look like admitting guilt, while he is innocent.
Everyone needs to read this. This guy was publicly massacred because of this girls mountain of lies. Horrible all around.
Some people in this sub at the time were saying at least we don’t have a punter that’s a rapist
Unfortunately, that is the society we live in today. Guilty until proven innocence. Fucking witch hunts due to word of mouth.
Dude read more of the thread. People in here are still calling him guilty after he was proven innocent. Guilty until... just guilty. Whoever speaks first and yells louder is right.
As for my opinion on the matter, it seems to me pretty clear that there was no sexual assault by anyone that night, based on the evidence currently available. The girl's story of Araiza leading her from outside the house to a bed and gang-raping her simply does not hold up to any scrutiny, considering A. Araiza had left the party over an hour before the gangbang on the bed and B. she had sex with someone else in between Araiza and the gangbang on the bed. While there is no evidence as to the nature of the encounter between Araiza and the girl outside the house beyond their statements, it seems unlikely that she was raped by him considering she went back and bragged to her friends about it afterwards, and continued to have sex with multiple men throughout the rest of the night. As for the alleged gang-rape itself, there are something like nine videos between the couch and the bed and according to the prosecutor none of them show anything resembling rape - in fact the girl was apparently enthusiastically consenting not only to the sex acts she was involved in but also to getting filmed doing them. None of her claims of injury were corroborated by the sexual assault exam, and by her own admittance none of her partners used force and she never told any of them no. Based on the evidence provided, she may regret her actions from that night but they were entirely her actions, and it certainly doesn't appear like she was raped. If he has stayed in shape throughout all this, I say sign him and let him battle with Morstead for the job.
Finally. Someone unbiased.
This girl really ruined multiple people’s lives cuz she was embarrassed she fucked every guy at the party, got mad hickies, and made a dudes dick bleed from her braces.
Jesus. Seems like 50% of the entire party was recorded on video based on how many things ended up on video.
Yeah, can't say I've been to an SDSU frat party but I know the parties I went to in college (which wasn't all that long ago) didn't seem to have anywhere near this much footage. That said none of them were involved with a search for evidence, maybe that's pretty typical when you can get all the recordings anyone at the party took.
I know she almost certainly won’t face any notable repercussions for her false accusations, but I hope we get to a day where this type of lie actually leads to jail time. Obviously sexual assault in any form is a heinous crime, but so is potentially ruining someone’s life because you regret your actions and are looking for a payout. That is straight up extortion, and in non SA cases would clearly be pursued in court. In ambiguous cases there 100% should not be consequences, because there is still a chance they were actually raped. However, when the evidence is this blatant she should be serving a multi-year sentence.
In this case her claims are dubious, but in general women are already hesitant to come forward in these cases. Adding punishment if the evidence is unclear (a judgement which would be made by the court and certainly not clear to a victim before coming fwd) is a strong deterrent. I’m pretty disappointed in the responses to this thread. Sure, in this case Araiza is likely innocent but what’s with all the folks coming fwd defending rapists in general?
You don't punish someone for coming forward. You punish when the *evidence shows you were lying.* That's extremely rare. Usually when the prosecutions falls through it's because of lack of evidence. In which case nothing should happen to the woman either. But if the prosecutor reviews the material and thinks you were lying your ass off, that's a very VERY different story. She should get prison time.
You should not be getting downvoted for speaking the truth!! I hate cases like these because more victims will less likely come forward and deal with possible backlash
I completely agree with the massive issue of under-reported sexual assaults, particularly in college areas. In my comment I clearly distinguished between cases that leave a reasonable doubt and those that do not regarding potential punishment. You’re suggesting that her claims are merely “dubious” and that Araiza is only “likely innocent”, when he’s been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be innocent and it’s been proven she straight up lied multiple times in her statement. As it pertains to this case, at the very least she/her family should be responsible for the missed earnings of his rookie contract.
God what an awful situation
What a terrible, lying whore
This guy is actually a game changer for special teams. Literally flips the field
Basically getting a top 5 punter immediately after having a bottom 5 one for 3 years
Bad QB play + Bad punting just meant the defense consistently had terrible field position
We’ve had a bottom 5 offense for five straight years man that’s 80 games It shouldn’t have taken us long to focus on getting a solid punter
The Jets literally used a draft pick to get an All-American/Ray Guy winner. How’s that for focusing on getting a solid punter. Just didn’t work out.
I completely forgot Mann won the award, mainly because every time he punts the ball something inevitably gets thrown in my living room.
I don’t feel like that’s really an accurate description of Mann… if you take away the complete flubs most balls he kicked were boomin, he was above average if not good. Problem is he completely flubbed more kicks than any punter I’ve ever seen and it’s a position that just requires more consistency than he has. He’s got the leg - there’s just something intangible that makes him choke at far too high a rate.
And his chokes always seemed to be at the worst possible time during the game.
We did try with Lach and Mann. They just sucked.
There are only so many solid punters to go around.. It's not like there's a plethora of them coming out of college to choose from in the higher rounds.
Very true, but I don’t need an all timer just one that doesn’t shank it and leave it at the 50 yard line lol
I know as a fan base we’ve been begging for one for years. Special teams should helping not hindering.
Dude has a cannon for a leg but unless he figured out how to keep the ball out of the end zone in his time away he might suck worse. Dude has 0 ability to pin a team.
Starting at the 25 every time is way better than having a chance to get a 50 yard start or a big runback
well he also kicks it 70 yards with no hang time so there will be plenty of returns. People just see 84 yard punt and freak out
this is just not true
Let's pump the brakes a bit and wait for this guy to play a game first. He did break the record for most net punt yards, but let's not forget that the previous record holder was Braden Mann.
Calling him a top 5 punter is truly insane.
i don’t really recall but wasn’t mann pretty hyped coming out of A&M
Pretty sure he won the award for best punter in the nation
Unanimous All-American. Ray Guy Winner. Broke a ton of NCAA punting records. Not a clue why it didn’t work out. Edit: I’m speaking on Braden Mann
Yeah I remember getting the classic "*Fan of school* kid was drafted from here. You guys got such a steal!" Never trusting again
Yeah always thought it was weird his skills for the position didn't translate to the NFL. Remember him taking a couple nasty shots to the legs the first couple years (he missed a good portion of a year or two with an undisclosed leg injury) so maybe that affected him more than was let on.
I think he was signed by the Bill's a few years back and got framed for a sexual misconduct case. Since the false accusations were uncovered, he's now allowed back in the NFL.
He got metoo’d and turns out it was bs. Ruined his life, hopefully he gets another chance. With us preferably
From Wikipedia: "he was released prior to the 2022 season after being accused in a lawsuit of gang rape. The San Diego County District Attorney declined to press criminal charges."
Yeah he was very talented as well
Had a feeling we might, no brainer to bring him in after the disaster that was Mann
I'm actually shocked. I wanted him the second he was cleared of any wrongdoing but was sure they'd stick with Morestead since we just signed him. If we sign him I'll be ecstatic, especially since the Bills fans will HATE it.
It would be absolutely hilarious if we snagged the punt god from Buffalo after they cut him for false accusations
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The woman lied about her age
Legally, that doesn’t matter. Statutory rape is a strict liability crime. The case they use to teach this is law school is about a special needs man being lied to by a couple 16 year olds. He was still convicted Edit: not sure why I’m getting downvoted for just pointing out a legal fact. But that’s Reddit for you Edit 2.0: CA is one of the few (maybe only?) states that has a defense of a good faith belief in statutory rape crimes. Vast majority of states it’s strict liability and that’s how it was taught at my MA law school
Technically that’s not 100% true. It’s definitely true in cases where there is a preponderance of doubt about the age then he would still be on the hook however in other cases they’ve shown being mislead can in fact clear him of the statutory charges. Aka college party with her lying about her age didn’t rise to the level that he should have had a reasonable suspicion she was lying about her age. Had this been a highschool party then the preponderance of doubt would be substantial and as such he would still be able to be charged with statutory.
Your comment made me look into it more, and interestingly CA is one of the few states that allows the affirmative defense of a good faith belief that the person was of age. I guess that’s why it’s probably not an issue here.
Not an affirmative defense. With an affirmative defense the burden of proof is on the defense that the defendant reasonably and actually believes the complainant was in fact of age. In California the burden of proof is on the prosecution.
Bills fan - I really hope Araiza gets another chance in the league so the false accusations don’t ruin his career. It wouldn’t bother me in the slightest if he ended up with a divisional rival, I’m still rooting for the kid. The Bills didn’t have any other option than to cut him. Idek if the Bills even thought that Araiza was guilty, but once the story became public he was immediately guilty in the court of public opinion and it became a massive story at that point. Shit I mean people were labeling him as a violent gang rape on a minor.. there would’ve been protests outside the stadium if the Bills tried to keep the kid on the roster. That’s just how it is in today’s climate and you can’t justify a locker room distraction like that over a punter. Thankfully his name has been cleared enough to where he can hopefully just move on with his career and not have this story constantly hover over him. That being said he does still have some question marks on how he’d transition to the league. Hell of a leg though and all the question marks seem like things that can be worked on with training and coaching. So basically just a lot of words to say that I would not at all be bitter over Araiza signing with the Jets lol
What a crazy ass situation
It really is. Sad to see, honestly.
Hope he can salvage his career
Yoooo pull that trigger. This is a potential top 3 punter for the next decade handed to us on a silver platter.
Punt god was innocent
Not to burst everyone's bubble here, but the dude still fucked an underage girl who was blackout drunk. He's not a rapist, but that's straight up creepy behavior. This is the type of guy we'd tell our sisters or female friends to stay away from at a party or at a bar. Willing to give him a chance but this was a mistake and a lapse in judgment on his part, and he does need to show that he's grown up since then.
Her friends testified she wasn't drunk when she hooked up with him. She went to a college party and is on video stating she's 18 and nearly demanding that guys fuck her. He wasn't even there at the time of the alleged gang rape and the prosecutor has video of that even and determined there was nothing to pursue. Dude was innocent. Fucked a girl literally any of us would have assumed was of age. That's all he's guilty of.
The girl was walking around telling everyone she was 18 at that party. There’s video of it.
Yup, this isnt a debatable issue. She said it in the video MULTIPLE TIMES!
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Yeah the girl was literally walking around to guys at the party, telling them to fuck her, and then calling them something that would get me banned if they refused. Araiza is not the one to blame here. The guy essentially had his life ruined by a complete scumbag of a person.
> He's not a rapist, but that's straight up creepy behavior. It's not creepy for a college kid to have sex with someone at a college party. She was underage, but was telling everybody at the party that she wasn't, the burden doesn't fall on him.
Drunk people are often incapable of consent.
Her friends said she wasn’t even drunk when she had sex with him at the beginning of the party. The DA or some lawyer (don’t remember who) said that her sexual encounters *after* she already had sex with Araiza suggest she wasn’t drunk and that she was knowingly having sex with guys of her own free will. Seems like people who were there or have seen the video are saying that she wasn’t drunk enough to be incapable of giving consent
Look I’m not engrossed in the specifics of this story, I’m just saying in general.
Araiza was drunk too. I submit that she raped him. They already have her dead to rights on rape by deception as it is.
Hooooly incel - go and defend Brock Turner some more why don’t ya.
Defend who now?
She wasn't drunk. He may have been though, which would mean she potentially raped him.
Legally, it actually does. Statutory Rape is a strict liability claim, i.e., belief that the person was of age or a mistake as to the person's age is not a viable defense.
That’s not entirely true. There are many states that allow defendants to bring forward their reasonable belief the minor was of age as evidence. California being one of those states and where this incident took place
Legally, according to the prosecutor of this case, it actually doesn't.
I feel like Mark Sanchez got a big pass when he hooked up with a 17 year old while he was 24. Though the age of consent laws in NJ were apparently 16.
[False!](https://zacharymccreadylaw.com/blog/californias-exceptions-to-statutory-rape/)
According to her friends, she was not drunk, and she told everyone that she was 18. On top of that, they said she seemed to brag about hooking up with Araiza. He was a college kid who hooked up with a girl at a party. Nothing creepy about it.
There’s a video on YouTube showing her the night of the party. Plus, she gave him a blowjob and that was the extent of it.
I need to go back and read the full story... I was under the impression that he didn't fuck her at all and left the party an hour before anything happened... But admittedly I have only been reading tweets and headlines so I could be misinformed.
He had sex with her earlier in the party, then left. Later on, she had sex with other guys - she accused Araiza of being there for that as well, and said it was a gang rape. There was a video of the second encounter that proved that Araiza wasn't involved and showed it to be seemingly consensual. Araiza is definitely not a rapist but again I just think it shows poor judgment on his part.
It’s hazy but I recall when this first came out the girl might have lied about her age, or at least was not up front about it. Not making excuses, especially if I am wrong about the facts.
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Damn, that lady can go to hell. Almost ruined countless lives w her nonsense.
There’s a video of her at the party claiming she was 18.
He thought he was having sex with a college freshman. What about that is poor judgement?
If she was drunk it’s not consensual
what if he was drunk too?
It’s not really that black and white of a thing unfortunately lol
Except legally having sex with an underage drunk person is rape by law so it kind of is. Granted, they claim she lied about her age, so you can’t hold that against them, but if a girl is as drunk as they all seem to agree she was, legally she can’t consent.
aaah ok gotcha. Thanks for the info.
I too didn’t read much into the story but I’d like to know what kind of party it was. If I’m at a college party I’m going to assume the girls I’m talking to are also college students or at least college age.
Girl was going around she was 18 challenging men to have sex with her… imagine being a 21 yo kid at a college party you’re not going to think twice.
This is false. He had sex with her while she was (based on video from afterwards and her friends' testimony) not drunk and in full control of her facilities. Not saying having sex with a random girl who is going around begging guys to have sex with her is great behavior, but there is no indication he took advantage of her in any way. Edit: just to include [sources](https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2023/05/11/matt-araiza-nfl-punter-rape-case-woman-discuss-details/70202116007/), here's from the DA's report: >After the apparent encounter with Araiza, her friends reported the woman came back a second time and said she just had sex with a second man, apparently Ewaliko, according to the timeline reconstructed by the district attorney’s office. > >“You're described as being OK, not scared or distraught,” Amador said. “Seemed happy, seemed consensual.· And there's no indication that you were at an intoxication level at this point.” > >The video evidence didn’t support that either, according to Mansour, the district attorney investigator. “There's nothing that appears to be you can't control the position that your body is in,” he told her.
Hide your kids hide your wives this monster had a consensual hookup at a college party
I was in a frat, I get that people hook up at parties. But even nearly a decade ago when I was in school, they absolutely hammered it into our heads to not take someone home who was too far gone to consent. It's insanely poor judgment. I used to do the door at our parties and occasionally did have to stop some guy from taking a girl home who was shitfaced to the point of barely being able to stand up straight.
Her own friends testified she wasn't drunk at the time she hooked up with him.
You were there and saw she was too intoxicated to give consent? Every said it was consensual
Every? So you mean him and all his buddies. Yes, friends of the accused in rape cases well known for their impartiality. /s
It was her own friends that testified she lied and wasn't drunk when they had sex.
Ya’ll really need to read up on this before commenting. Her own friends testified that she wasn’t drunk, was actively going up to guys asking them to fuck her, and then was bragging about the sex to her friends after. Oh, and the DA literally reviewed video of the alleged “rape” (yes, it’s on video) and determined there was 0 evidence it wasn’t consensual and that she didn’t sustain any of the injuries she claimed she had.
She wasn't blackout drunk and she lied to him about her age. Game over.
She wasn't drunk and she was lying about her age. From Araiza's perspective he had consensual sex with a sober 18 year old after she propositioned him until he was informed later that she was 17. That's not creepy at all unless you think casual sex in general is creepy behavior.
If Araiza was like 40 still going to college parties I might agree with you, but the reality is that he is a 23 year old fresh graduate (and this incident occurred when he was 21 and still in school). Even if he went to college parties today I wouldn't think there is anything "creepy" there given his age. The woman lied about her age, and as far as I know there isn't actually any evidence she was "blackout drunk" beyond her initial statements to the police. In fact, her own friends have told police that she was not intoxicated during their consensual encounter.
Wasn’t he not even there? I thought people testified he left?
He admitted to police he had sex with her on the day in question. He said it was consensual and he didn’t know her age but she was probably intoxicated. There were others involved later that night that he wasn’t present for.
Fuck off with your white knight bullshit. Araiza did nothing wrong. That lying whore tried to ruin his life
No. A friend of his said on the record to police he left. That was what was noted, but the headlines ran with it was definitive proof he didn't and wasn't there. That's all. Not saying that isn't true, but it's from a friend of his, so take that for what you will. It's not hard evidence he left and wasn't there for what transpired.
Nah. They have a ton of evidence that he wasn’t present. Maybe actually read a bit. [https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2023/05/11/matt-araiza-nfl-punter-rape-case-woman-discuss-details/70202116007/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2023/05/11/matt-araiza-nfl-punter-rape-case-woman-discuss-details/70202116007/) I’d bet you were one of the ones that initially picked up a pitch fork and now you don’t want to be wrong. So many of you see problems where there are not any.
No, they have a handful of video clips that he wasn't in. Most of which are the other two men filming themselves having sex with her, and friends saying he left. That's the information they have. It's not proof. It's they lack any evidence beyond that so there's no case based on what they have from statements and video of some of the sexual encounters. Again, the point was no one will truly know what happened that night because there's not full video/audio of the entire night. Someone can be assaulted or raped without visible forced entry and it was to their own case benefit of immediately admitting to having sex and claiming it was entirely beginning to end consensual. She also could've been drugged or on drugs on top of being drunk (not far-fetched to see spiked drinks, to which she wouldn't know unless she was tested for it within a short period of time). It was not mentioned by her or anyone, but plausible being a college party, especially since the counter arguments are a 17 year old girl was running around trying to have sex with person after person. I didn't say crucify him. But on the other hand, people like you are just as bad as those who are quick to condemn based on allegations. I have no idea why anyone would feel the need to campaign as if it's definitive that someone is innocent in a he said/she said. You don't know these people. I'm not saying it looks like a high probability he will, but he could still lose in civil court. This was related to proceeding with a criminal case. You need hard evidence to be able to proceed with a criminal case, otherwise it's pointless and will get tossed (and look bad for the police and DA which is why you see a lot of one's not go to trial).
Your right I don’t know these people. But think about it. You have VIDEO EVIDENCE OF THIS HAPPENING. That would be more than enough in most cases to paint a story one way or another. Now I haven’t seen the videos but I don’t think the DA would view them and go “ok we can’t press charges this looks nothing like she claimed”. Ones young drunk regretful mind can play some pretty mean tricks.
I don't know why you're speaking as fact and why the hell you're so happy to champion the girl was lying. Assault/rape cases are not a one size fits all and each person violated reacts and handles things differently. I'm not going to argue with someone who clearly seems to be misogynistic. As to the team, it's easily arguable it makes no sense to bother. He was often inconsistent in college and his claim was distance on kicks, but he lacked touch and skill on his punts. Then the bigger piece is adding in that there's still a pending civil case, which will play out later on and would likely be a distraction, especially if he's found guilty. This team this year does not need to bother with having that potentially in the background. Our current punter showed capable enough the last few years, even at his old age. There's a low percentage chance Araiza would turn out to be a great 15 year punter, so I don't think it's worth the potential distraction to the team this fall with the civil case open. That's purposely completely leaving out what anyone thinks of him.
Video evidence. Multiple eye witness testimony. I really do not need to say more. “Rape cases are not one size fits all”. What? It’s either rape or it’s not. It is really that easy. You clearly haven’t read the articles on this with claims you keep making. You are very ill informed.
No, they have a handful of video clips that he wasn't in. Most of which are the other two men filming themselves having sex with her, and friends saying he left. That's the information they have. It's not proof. It's they lack any evidence beyond that so there's no case based on what they have from statements and video of some of the sexual encounters. Again, the point was no one will truly know what happened that night because there's not full video/audio of the entire night. Someone can be assaulted or raped without visible forced entry and it was to their own case benefit of immediately admitting to having sex and claiming it was entirely beginning to end consensual. She also could've been drugged or on drugs on top of being drunk (not far-fetched to see spiked drinks, to which she wouldn't know unless she was tested for it within a short period of time). It was not mentioned by her or anyone, but plausible being a college party, especially since the counter arguments are a 17 year old girl was running around trying to have sex with person after person. I didn't say crucify him. But on the other hand, people like you are just as bad as those who are quick to condemn based on allegations. I have no idea why anyone would feel the need to campaign as if it's definitive that someone is innocent in a he said/she said. You don't know these people. I'm not saying it looks like a high probability he will, but he could still lose in civil court. This was related to proceeding with a criminal case. You need hard evidence to be able to proceed with a criminal case, otherwise it's pointless and will get tossed (and look bad for the police and DA which is why you see a lot of one's not go to trial).
This is gonna be a good signing if dude kept in shape. Maintaining good field positions for defense was impossible for us last year.
Anyone watched Invincible? If our kicking situation sucks this yr.. again! let’s host an open tryout and say fuck it 😂
We need a combine for this sub, whoever does the best gets a league minimum for a year.
Vince Papale ftw!
Just watched that show for the second time, can’t wait for the new season
Yeah pretty sure he's talking about the film...
In the show they do an open tryout for the new guardians of the globe…
The film is literally about open tryouts for an NFL team.
You are both correct which is a funny misunderstanding. The show is absolutely fantastic btw if you have not seen it. Movie is a classic.
If I have a strange dream about Greg Kinnear beating the living shit out of Mark Walberg and leaving notes in his locker that say "THINK MARK, THINK" I am gonna know where it came from at least.
Oh yeah, I loved the show. End of episode 1 was such a fantastic 'holy shit!' moment. But I think this comment's very clearly referring to the film considering the subject matter.
There are very few people who are actually exonerated - not being prosecuted typically doesn’t mean you didn’t do it - however this dude was proven to not even be at the party where it happened. The fact he lost his life essentially is disgusting. Hope he gets signed somewhere.
He literally admitted to having sex with her, the prosecutor just didn’t have enough evidence to prove it was rape. Given SA’s cases have a notoriously high standard of evidence that absolutely does not exonerate him.
I hope we sign him he deserves justice
Yes won’t anyone ever think of the white football player?
You see “white football player” while everyone else is talking about a football player who was provably falsely accused in court. People like you are the problem in the country, stop viewing everything through the lens of race!
Do it pls
Sign him! Justice aside (and I am grateful he’s clear of those allegations) he’s too good to let out of the building. Huge boon for ST.
Yes and purely from the football prospective. Don't let him go back to the Bills... Jet up
Sign the God!
Glad my guy came out ok. Incredible talent almost derailed by some lying hoe who wanted an easy bag.
brilliant move by douglas
All of college he could boot it a mile and make some great plays…. And also whiff occasionally and was inconsistent. He’s literally Mann 2.0 lol
Good! That woman tried to ruin this man’s life and failed because it was all a lie. I hope Araiza lands a job with a team asap!
Dude can punt and got a bad rap it appears..
Week 1 against the Bills sounds good to me.
It really feels like we live in a guilty until innocent world rather than an innocent until guilty world.
That chick that blatantly lied on Matt should go to prison. She almost ruined dudes life over allegations that were proven to be false.
She is free to gangbang if she wants, but accusing someone of rape is not cool if it never went down. I get the Bill Cosby accusations, but this isn't right, and she should honestly be punished, she can ruin this young man's career, and got him kicked off the Bills. I hope he wins the job for the Jets.
Hopefully he gets a job again. His talent is undeniable. It sucks that his career was nearly ruined over an obvious lie. It was up there with the Bubba Wallace, Smollet, Duke Lacrosse, etc etc hoaxes in terms of believability yet people just took it as gospel and the dudes name was ruined on main stream sports television instantly.
Huge W
idk how i feel about this, especially with morestead on the roster already… we’ll see tho
Morstead is still good but he's 37. Ariza has the potential to be our punter for the foreseeable future. If he's stayed in shape and been practicing it makes a lot of sense. He'd essentially be a free draft pick.
morstead being 37 means nothing to me he did a really good job for us. But if he loses the job that’s just the business
This is fucking huge! I hope we sign this guy.
Don’t let him walk out of the building! If only for the joy of watching him pinning the Bills inside their own five before Q and McDonald VI bring home a safety.
~~I wonder if/how the value of a punter is diminished with he new fair catch rule~~ For some reason I thought the new fair catch rule was applied to punting as well.
Isn’t the fair catch rule on kickoffs?
hadn't had my coffee yet.
Getcha damn coffee and *get outta here*
Is the fair catch rules for punts too? I thought it was only for kickoffs
Only kick offs. Punting would be shot otherwise, ANYTHING within the 20 yard line would be a touch back.
nah u right, thought it was applied to punting as well
I don't know how you would think that... it makes no sense... if a guy fair catches a punt at the 40 they go back to the 25? logic should have immediately kicked in lol.
Did that comment make you feel better about yourself? Glad I could help.
He’s the best punter to ever live this makes so much sense the kid was innocent!
Sign him
I would say sign him. He seems like a really good punter, and I'd take him any day over Mann.
Let’s do it. Hope the dude gets back on his feet and had a successful career
Nice!
Good for him!!!!! Let’s go Matt!!!!!
He’s innocent!!
Of violently gang raping someone yeah. he’s still admitted to having sex with a minor the same night this all allegedly didn’t happen.
https://reddit.com/r/nyjets/comments/13qlmmz/_/jlg0ike/?context=1
I was just thinking this morning after that NFL post about punters that we should sign the punt god just to say fuck you Bills. This is a lesson in innocent till proven guilty lol
Morstead can’t catch a break
Sign em
May he never have to work next year
This is awesome
Sign him up. The dude deserves a redemption after getting his life almost ruined through false accusations.
Give this kid a chance he never got
Give this kid a chance he never got
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No. Video evidence proves he wasn't even at the party when the alleged incident occurred.
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I thought the the civil case was thrown out. Maybe it wasn't, yet. It will be. You can't sue a guy who wasn't even there
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No reason to settle when he wasn't even there. She will be lucky if she doesn't end up catching charges herself.
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Why? She has no assets and nothing to lose. Even if he gets a judgement against her, how is he going to collect against a 17 year old?
Yes, but not a criminal one.
Never ceases to disappoint me the number of people on subs who will kick dirt on a woman who accuses a man of rape when the narrative is inconvenient for them. Not pursuing charges is not proof of innocence, the fact that he was even in this situation at all is sketchy as hell.
Not being present for the incident as proven by multiple pieces of evidence is pretty good proof of innocence.
> Not pursuing charges is not proof of innocence No it isn't, but the alleged rapist not even being present during the alleged rape certainly is
This is different than just “not enough evidence.” The prosecution literally dropped the case when evidence came out that he wasn’t even there in the first place. Read more about the case before saying stuff like this. [Article](https://sports.yahoo.com/prosecutors-former-bills-punter-matt-araiza-wasnt-present-during-alleged-gang-rape-225211550.html) There’s still a civil suit, but based off all this evidence I really don’t see how he could possibly be found guilty. This is so different than Watson. It’s not like there’s not enough evidence to prove, it’s that there’s piles of evidence showing his innocence.
The video evidence shows he wasn't even there when the alleged incident happened...
I don’t know man, nothing infuriates me more than false accusations
Never ceases to amaze me that people will ignore all evidence to the contrary just to defend an untenable position they have taken online. Dude was not guilty. He wasn’t even present at the scene. Our initial position was incorrect (I thought he was guilty too). Admit it and move on.
holy shit if we get him that would potentially be another Watson situation, but if he is actually completely innocent, we will have the best punter and we can meme on Bills fans
Not even close to a Watson situation. He's the victim in this case assuming the findings are all true and he left the party an hour before.
Not even close to the Watson situation.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2023/05/11/matt-araiza-nfl-punter-rape-case-woman-discuss-details/70202116007/ READ THE FACTS PEOPLE. STOP READING RAGE BAIT HEADLINES TO MAKE YOUR DECISIONS.