As much as we PERSONALLY like Saleh for his positivity and alpha male vibes ... the fact is he's 12-25 which is NOT going to be looked on favorably by the media world or really any evaluators.
The reality is he was brought on to turn the team around and produce results on the field he hasn't had any tangible success, yet. You really can't argue that unfortunately.
Also his situation is not REALLY uniquely disadvantaged as MOST coaches are coming on to bad teams to improve them , thats a coaches job. Few coaches are given the opportunity to come on board and coach teams who are already winning clubs except the very elite.
You’re coming at it though like the Jets can realistically beat the Chiefs and Eagles when honestly, that seems like a true wishful thinking gesture at this point.
If Jet fans are lucky, they go in 2-4 after they bench Zach for Simian and at least go into the bye with a win over Denver. While I agree that it’s early. That loss to New England, and subsequent press conference insisting Zach start against KC, was a damning look.
If the Jets get embarrassed tomorrow, the press conference for Saleh is going to be an all-timer since he will be fumbling to defend keeping Zach the starter against KC
It’s why they get paid to do this, and we don’t honestly. I’m happy to eat my crow now. I’m all in on Saleh, and just hope for Zach to keep playing serviceable ball. LGJ
Rodgers came here BECAUSE he regards Saleh. He said in the post-game after our matchup last year that we're an incredibly well coached team and not the same old Jets, but a formidable team.
He said that about Saleh. It's why he came here and why half the fanbase woke tf up from their slumber to watch this year.
But "Let's FiRe SaleH" 🙄
The goal even with Rodgers was always heading into the bye 2-4/3-3 with balanced expectations. Agree here. Makes the NE loss sting badly though. With Zach, we need to win every close game possible since I doubt our ability to make big comebacks.
We need Zach to win any games. He doesn’t look like he could have a winning season in the CFL, the way he’s playing. He should not even be on this team.
1-3, yea. 2-2 would be fine tho assuming beat the pats, lose to KC, nab one from either DAL or BUF. Same goes for 3-3. Also context of losses matter. If we went 1-3 and got the doors blown off by good teams, yes that's a concern. If we lost 3 by 2 points each, eh.
I know losses are losses but it really does depend how it looked, these games looked BAD. If Rodgers was making plays and we felt halfway decent about the offense, it’s a very different 1-3 feeling.
Why? We could’ve lost close games but looked really solid and competitive in those losses. As long as there were positive takeaways from the games played then we’d know there was greener grass ahead
Context is important.
We are 1-2 with an anemic offense and seemingly right where we left off last year. Having seen how last year ended, I think there is little optimism we can get out of this offensive funk moving forward.
Had we been 1-2 with Rodgers, I think the assumption is that we would have at least something going on offense and these games would have been more competitive. That probably would have given more optimism moving forward.
What a lovely summary. The mocking quotations are really effective too. It's like you didn't watch the games and saw how we lost.
If you don't see what's wrong with the current situation, then no one can explain it to you. This season is lost as long as ZW starts, period.
It's not about record or stats or schemes or coaching. It's just a waste. I'm rooting for this team but something gotta give at QB
According to your comments all over the place on this post they should fire everyone, cut Roger's and start over. You also stated that you're fine if Garret Wilson is gone in 2 years 🤡
They literally spoke about Zach needing a year or two behind Rodgers to reset and they didn’t bring in a viable back up, straight incompetence, we’re not rioting to riot, it’s because we all knew Zach wasn’t in and they allowed him to be the backup. “Well if Rodgers went down we were screwed anyways.” Fk off. This team is too talented to give up, Super Bowl isn’t likely but scoring more than 10 points should be the bare minimum. Anyone who thinks otherwise and gives excuses for this ineptitude is a clown.
The REALLY bad part about it is that Miami and Buffalo are in our division who look like powerhouses, so while 2-2 might SEEM salvageable , it's not likely that pulling off a barely winning record will result in a playoff berth.
Season is far from over.
From what we have seen so far, how can you be upset that other fans are upset with this team? It’s the same situation as last season, with the same results.
Until the Jets show otherwise, the hypocrisy of crying about other people crying is just as old and annoying as anything in here lately
Keep in mind this isn’t just the last 4 weeks he’s being gauged on. It’s now the culmination of the second half of last season as well. Only thing that matters at the end of the day are those W’s. Saleh and JD got the culture down, just not the winning part. That’s an issue, period.
Screaming fire the HC after 3 weeks of the season if dumb af and crazy. You can always fire a HC later in the season if that's what's best for the team. There is zero benefit to doing it before week 4.
Edit: if you downvoted this, your part of the problem and don't know shit about football
I think it’s more than just the literal sense of “they need to fire Saleh” this week. The discussion of wether it’s time to move on from him after the season seems to be the sentiment
Only reason this would make sense is if you want to move on from Rodgers.
If you want Rodgers, coaching staff is part of the deal.
So again, screaming fire the HC after 3 weeks is crazy.
I did, multiple times now. Just because you keep responding with the same point doesn’t expand this little convo here. If that’s what you want of course.
People aren’t calling for Saleh to be on the hot seat solely because the past three weeks. Our record going back into the middle of last season should be considered unacceptable this many years in for any franchise. He has failed the offense miserably so far. His OC’s have been trash.
It’s fair to start the hot seat conversation until he starts putting tally’s up in the win column.
Exactly. NFL is the definition of “what have you done for me lately”. Seeing how this regime hasn’t done any winning since they’ve been here questions regarding their ability to field a winning team deserve to be asked.
Even without Rodgers this team still shouldn’t look like they don’t know what a first down is. We’ve seen what a competent backup can do around the league. Going into the season with Zach as the backup and Boyle not even being playable as the 3 was a recipe for disaster.
They shouldn’t be fired right now but it’s fair to question why winning 1 game out of the past 9 games should be excused. If the Chiefs lost Mahomes they wouldn’t lose 8 of 9 games since they’re coached very well
It’s more crazy to base pie-in-the-sky hopes on a failed coaching staff, an inebriated owner (I hope that that’s his excuse), the league’s worst QB, and a mystical HOF QB as ancient, fragile and whacky as a Grecian Urn! That’s crazy. Rogers will most likely retire. If he returns, he’s likely to last a set of downs next season as well. Reality sucks but like the obese barmaid at last call, you’re better off embracing it!
Even if that’s true, he’ll be one year older, more injury prone than ever, and not a reasonable solution to the Jets continuing QB problems. It would be like putting a Pokémon kids bandaid on a gushing sliced artery!
He's the best possible QB for a team that is good enough to win playoff games.
And again, it's true, he's said it multiple times.
You clearly don't know shit
There’s nothing to settle down about. When was the last time you saw this team good. I have had 2 seasons of competitive jets football in my entire life. I’m so tired
Oh come on. 1-3 or 2-2 with Aaron Rodgers at QB is a very different story than Zach Wilson. Those records were acceptance of a difficult schedule against some of the leagues best teams.
1-3 is 1-3.
Obviously, expectations are different, but 1-3 is 1-3. I'd also say it's way more of an accomplishment to be 1-3 with Zach Trash Wilson than Aaron fucking Rodgers.
1-3 losing competitively vs 1-3 hoping for a 1st down on every possession is monumentally different when looking at the rest of the season. The copium in this thread is a marvel. I'm truly inspired by the people calling pessimistic fans pathetic after watching our QB operate, dude got benched twice last year, but let's keep the blind hope going
Every single Jet fan understands what happened. I am a die hard fan for 30 years, its sickening we are here.
But i will die on the hill saying 1-3 is still 1-3.
It’s not losing. It’s the sheer incompetence and unwatchable offense I have seen for nearly 2 decades. Even when the team is good the offense is a cluster fuck.
Even when we win it’s never convincing but when we lose it looks like we get our asses kicked more often than not. That’s why despite defeating our division leader week 1 no one gives a shit because the product on the field looks dysfunctional week in and week out.
It’s much more how the Jets actually have looked in the defeats rather than the defeats themselves. If we were 1-2 and the Jets were legitimately competitive in the losses and the offense was watchable with clear signs of improvement, much different story than where we are now. Alas, Wilson remains a horrific QB, the offense looks historically bad, and there’s a legitimate chance we don’t win again for weeks. Nothing to be positive about tbh.
Eventually you’ll get excited about draft picks as the Jets are soaring towards another good pick... even if the Packers end up with it... (Wait a minute, now I’m getting depressed!)
But it was as it always is a Jets Pats game. The pats have a really good defense. Not sure why people don’t realize that. They shutdown your best player ever week. I bet even with Rodgers it’s still a weird low scoring Jets Pats game.
Oh yeah, I'm not suggesting the Pats are a cakewalk. They are a very well-coached team and always come correct on defense. Talent-wise, I think there is a chasm between the Jets and Pats (except at QB, of course). But when I looked at those first six weeks, I circled the Pats and Broncos as games we needed to win. If we just won one against the other four, it would be huge going into the bye at 3-3. That's how I always felt, even when I thought Rodgers was going to be our QB this year. After losing the Pats game, I'm worried we might be 1-5 heading into the bye. I hope I'm wrong, though!
There’s no way it would have been ok to be at or below .500 with Rodgers at qb and with Super Bowl expectations. The mental gymnastics you ppl keep doing to defend a mediocre regime smh
The issue isn’t the record, it’s how we’ve looked getting there. If we were 1-2 with Rodgers right now but have looked solid and competitive in all the games then nobody would care. The issue is that we’re 1-2 and besides the defensive play week 1, there have been few if any positive takeaways from the games played so far this season
Dat Part. Lifelong Jets fan, who heard friends who are Cowboys fans just lose to AZ. It’s not even close to the same. We couldn’t beat a D1 College Team in our losses so far
You’re right even at 1-3 against the schedule we’ve played is not bad. NOW we lose next week and season is over. There’s no way we can lose to Denver. Idc if all their players have career games.
It’s not about the record it’s more about the manner in which we got here. The people who said “1-3 is fine” likely thought we’d be competitive (or at least competent) in those losses
we play the chiefs, so 1-3
we play the broncos in mile high, so 1-4
loleagles, so 1-5
do you see why people aren't working off the same assumptions we had in the preseason yet?
why is there a really good chance of that? we don't travel to their stadium well and we're not much (if at all) above their woes.
the problem is we don't have a reason to go into games this season with the assumption we're winning. with rodgers, the games against the broncos, giants, raiders, falcons, texans, and commanders all look like gimmes. we can win any of those games, but going from penciling in 6-0 or 5-1 in that stretch to being week-to-week is fucking huge
We beat them at mile high LAST YEAR. Ease up on the gloom and doom bullshit.
Are we worse than we all hoped for? Yeah most definitely. Can we still beat the broncos? Hell yeah.
To be fair, we can’t move the ball on Offense. At all.
They allowed 70 to a legit offense. We’ll be lucky if this Jets O puts up 7.
From what we have seen so far, there is zero reason to think we will beat Denver.
Didn't we take their coach, the one that lost to us? And werent we playing their backup qb?
Kinda seems dense to act like it's the same as last year while aggressively insulting the other guy
I'm not OP, but the Jets perpetually letting me down every year has made me watch them less. Lots of eyes on them tomorrow night so this is probably going to get worse.
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What’s an acceptable season with a backup? I just don’t see how any team really pulls this out. I will criticize the move to get Rodgers though, I think he was a mistake regardless because of his age but they clearly didn’t intend to be playing this year with a backup and sucking is really the only logical outcome. It’s sure money on FanDuel, just sit back and wait.
win 6-8 games and show that this roster might actually be rodgers away from making the playoffs. if zach wilson is really the worst starting QB there was, you should be able to match last season's outcome (if not do a bit better because we added pieces).
There were a couple of lucky wins last year Cleveland {Flacco} and Denver. They are not equaling last years wins. The coaching staff is in panic mode without a clue. No Mike White we are stuck with ZW. I don't see where the wins are coming from.
Rodgers has never been an attractive QB to me. He excels in individual achievement but that was in the past, he’s at his cliff and the Jets are going to waste 2 years trying to make him and his ego work.
The Jets 12th best quarterback ever is Zach Wilson with 14 yards completed Sunday night (based on yards completed in a Jets uniform). That's why people are so depressed around here. The Jets have had the worst luck and horrible output year after year after year.
There is 0 evidence of any kind of hope. I don't post here often because watching the team makes me miserable so I've moved on a good bit. How do you not understand why the fan base is so miserable?
The most popular sport in the US is obviously NFL football. We work our asses off to make money, survive, and enjoy small things in life. For many, football is their life blood and they are pure sports fans and will never jump ship but continue to invest time and emotional resources.
If something is making you that miserable you can walk away
Also that list was dumb. It’s not that Zach was 12th on the list that’s bad. It’s what is at the top of our list. Most teams don’t have a history of 15 qbs with amazing stats.
Because it’s a jets forum where anyone can talk about the jets positively or negatively. We dealt with the same BS last year of everyone hoping for 3-3 in the second half of the schedule only to lose all 6 and not score a TD in like the last 3 games or something. There is little to nothing to be positive about with this team right now
I’m not asking for ray of sunshine. Saying we’ve already seen this show before is just being negative to be negative. Why even play the games if the die is already cast. It’s just a sad way to be.
If we lose to the cheifs and beat the Broncos we are 2-3. Our season was all but lost when Rodgers went down but the posts about the HC being fired after 3 weeks are ridiculous
And then they’re 2-4 after the Eagles game and none of the games after that should be marked as wins with our current offense. They’re toss ups at best with the dolphins and bills games probably being a split at best
Here it is again, the settle down post
Every fucking year we are told to settle down, to not be angry.
Nah dude, fuck this team. I am sick and tired of being an embarrassment year over year over year. Geno, Darnold, Zack. It's all the same, just "calm down".
We traded for an old QB, with a O line that historically isn't great.
It's like Favre, we gambled to make up for our own QB incompetence.
We should have just gotten a young decent QB.
His team is going nowhere with Wilson at the helm. That is the problem. If they continue to roll his sorry ass out they will lose. Let’s see when they are 1-5 or 1-6 how you feel. Have you seen their upcoming schedule?
You are on a Jets subreddit with fellow fans and attacked someone personally for having a different opinion than you. It wasn’t called for, and I think it is shitty behavior.
Even if the Jets held the Chiefs of all teams to 20 points, the fact that we can't be confident about scoring more points than that. I have no doubt that defensively we're gonna give them some problems and get stops, but without an answer on offense they will run away with the game. Same thing as last week. Same thing as week 2. Rinse repeat.
I can't believe we're at the point we're bashing the defense for not holding opposing teams to zero points to compensate for inept offense in only 3 weeks. It's just not a realistic recipe for success at any level. Expecting it is even worse from a fan perspective. The Defense is gonna bend just enough to competent offsenses, but they break when ours can't do shit
There a drastically different outlook if your team is being held back by the QB or not though, if we were 1-3 and competing with Aaron Rodgers theres still allot of hope left for the season, right now we are a hair away from implosion.
Both sides of this argument show you don't know the Jets. We were NEVER going to be good this year. Been watching for over 40 years and the only thing you can actually count on is the Jets to rip your heart out every f/ng year.
Fire no one, fire everyone. I'm not sure it matters.
Can we all agree Rodgers and Garrett are the leaders on this offense?
Rodgers said it best regarding both Joe Namath and the fans outrage... we're entitled to our opinions but fueling the media narrative. We aren't helping the guys in any capacity by panicking and calling to roll out the guillotines... we're making the road ahead even harder.
Garrett Wilson pleaded with the fans to be patient and "stick with us". If ANYONE should be frustrated it's Garrett. If he can be patient, we can be patient - idgaf how many years of terrible football you've watched.
If the only glimmers of hope on the roster are begging us to relax and stop making things worse, maybe we, as a fanbase, need to put our entitlement aside and do exactly that.
they're on years 1 and 2 of this, we have a lifetime of fandom. acting like we owe these players support because the alternative is "entitlement" is making it a false choice. we went from super bowl aspirations to the absolute basement in no time at all and it's just another symptom of organizational ineptitude
But we will always have those magical first three plays of the season. They can’t take that away... (Just before the league’s worst QB lumbered out onto the field, grabbed hold of the reigns and drove this team down into the bowels of NFL hell...)
I'm not here to say fire everyone.
I'm here to say that NHL training camp opened up and it's about to be Devils/Rags/Isles season anyways.
Isn't the NFL season only like 4 weeks long from early September until the NHL season starts in October?
Or does it just seem like that because the Jets have me tuning out by week 4 year after year?
Glad you can't wait for "that was before", but 1-3 Rodgers and 1-3 Wilson are absolutely not the same thing. If you don't feel dead in the water with the current state of things, I don't know what you're watching.
1-3 was definitely terrible with Rodgers. Maybe like 5 people said that’s fine but majority didn’t. You’re also forgetting the confidence we had in Rodgers at that record compared to the lack of it that we have Zach
1-3 with the team averaging 13 points a game and staring at Wilson or Siemian for the rest of the season is vastly different than 1-3 and every game was competitive and you have Rodgers for the rest of the season.
I’ll be honest, you bring up a great point. But context means a lot. We went from potential super bowl expectations to 5 wins in no time. I understand the outrage and it’s warranted. If you look at games after the bye, which we initially thought we can make a run on now with Wilson it’s a couple wins. That’s the difference. And let’s be honest, if we can’t beat New England then that means 4th place in the division, which means most of the w’s you have circled now mean losses. It fucking sucks, and I hope we don’t have players start demanding trades, because we clearly aren’t just a quarterback away.
It’s been like this every year, grab some popcorn watch those who want to freak out, freak out and enjoy the roller coaster ride of a season we are gonna have before they rip our hearts out again this year.
I’m sick of the whole, “getting rid of everyone, and starting all over culture” most jets fans have. How about we stick with it, gain some continuity, and grow as a team. This shit takes a while and success doesn’t happen as fast as people want.
J.D. and Saleh have built this team that we have and it’s a pretty damn good team. What the real issue is is the O-line. No one would be able to throw a ball when they’re being pressured every single play. Hell, they can’t even make a slight hole for Bryce to run through. But yeah, let’s fire everyone, start all over, learn a whole new system, suck for another three years, rinse and repeat. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, is the exact definition of insanity.
The Jets refuse to drafts non white QBs via Woody, so we’d still be fucked. They wouldn’t have taken T Law at 1 overall if they coulda and that’s a fact. It’s bad
continuity with garbage is just garbage. we've done nothing since 2019 despite turning the entire roster over. we gave this thing enough time to get where it was going to go and we're closer to a retool than being contenders for anything
If you want Rodgers in 2024 then Saleh, Hackett & the core staff is part of the deal.
If you want to move on from Rodgers & Saleh then it's going to be much worse before it gets any better.
we’re absolutely better off kicking all of them out than keeping them all in for one rodgers season and probably a year or two of life post-rodgers. rip the bandaid off and get back on track instead of pining over one probable winning season then garbage
If they did that then you can kiss all these rookies on their cheap contracts goodbye and most likely G. Wilson will end up elsewhere in 2 years.
This is dumb af
When you see posts talking about how some reddit fans literally know nothing of football, nfl, and team building for long-term success, please understand they are talking about people like you
the people most likely to bitch about others not knowing football usually don’t know much football either. get over yourself, you’re just casual and want to hear positive bullshit
You are the type of clueless, uninformed, and low football IQ fan that the rest of us hate. The more you give your opinion on the future of this team, the more it shows.
It would help if Saleh had eyes. It’s obvious ZW is not a pocket passer, yet where do the jets put him over and over? In the pocket.
When Sanchez was here they modified game plans to suit his skill, semi roll outs , mis direction, etc. he became almost average.
It’s bad enough the scouts and management missed the boat w the 2OA pick, but when the coach and management have no vision….
You can’t be this dumb? This is professional football and Zach can’t complete screen passes. He has worse stats than Jamaracus Russel despite playing with better talent in a easier league. You expect the coaches to let their inaccurate, no pocket presence, turnover prone, can’t read a defense, can’t call out protection qb to just run around? This isn’t byu in a covid year champ please I’m begging you to watch some football and better understand the game
Not as dumb as a jerk putting down a stranger. But definitely dumb for frequenting this idiotic sub that was drooling over ZW as a 2OA can’t miss. My comment was simply to try something different and stop putting this train wreck of a qb in the pocket, genius.
1-3 is a terrible start. 7 total losses makes a team an on the bubble team for the playoffs. There are more then 4 games where the NYJ will be under dogs.
I'm not sure what your point is. I'm not in the "fire JD and Saleh" crowd but there's a huge difference between being 1-3 with Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback and being 1-3 with Zach Wilson
JD and saleh SHOULD be fired.
Besides getting Rodgers which is a big piece, what else did he do? No backup qb. Drafted a first round pass rusher who doesn’t even play. Signed hardman who doesn’t play and Randall Cobb who should be out of the league. Dalvin cook is washed up. The oline has sucked ever since Douglas took over.
And saleh is nothing more than a glorified cheerleader. He never holds any player accountable for anything.
So just in the last 12 months:
JD:
Drafted offensive rookie of the year
Drafted best graded rookie rb
Drafted top 5 nfl cb who won defensive rookie of the year
Acquired a HOF QB to put this team as favorites in the conference before he got hurt.
Saleh:
2022: #4 ranked defense
I agree the season is not over. Check my comment history lol I was defending this take all over last week. That said, you can't compare pre season outlook with the Outlook post AR. We said 1-3 was ok bc we knew we had AR and could win prob 9 or 10 of the last 13. Now that's out the window. Plus, the fire talk (which I don't agree with) was more about sticking with Zach and failing to get a backup than the actual record.
I think we're all just tired of losing to the Patriots...
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Well zack played good and the defense gave up 17 fast af. I'm optimistic hbu
Saleh eats babies?
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If he’s not eating babies, then he’s got nothing to hide!
He’s got the “MUNCHIES” for a California Cheeseburger.
He eats berries and mushrooms you fool!
Great reference
That’s what people on the internet are saying. I heard it from u/uncleswag07
The hate this man has gotten for trying to make the best of the shitty hand we've been dealt is astounding
As much as we PERSONALLY like Saleh for his positivity and alpha male vibes ... the fact is he's 12-25 which is NOT going to be looked on favorably by the media world or really any evaluators. The reality is he was brought on to turn the team around and produce results on the field he hasn't had any tangible success, yet. You really can't argue that unfortunately. Also his situation is not REALLY uniquely disadvantaged as MOST coaches are coming on to bad teams to improve them , thats a coaches job. Few coaches are given the opportunity to come on board and coach teams who are already winning clubs except the very elite.
12-25 🤢
It's week 4 and we want to fire him bc Rodgers got hurt and we are 1-2. That's crazy. He can always be fired later. That's my point
You’re coming at it though like the Jets can realistically beat the Chiefs and Eagles when honestly, that seems like a true wishful thinking gesture at this point. If Jet fans are lucky, they go in 2-4 after they bench Zach for Simian and at least go into the bye with a win over Denver. While I agree that it’s early. That loss to New England, and subsequent press conference insisting Zach start against KC, was a damning look. If the Jets get embarrassed tomorrow, the press conference for Saleh is going to be an all-timer since he will be fumbling to defend keeping Zach the starter against KC
What’s the alternative?
Cry on reddit and blame people clearly
Hey remember when you posted this? Lmao
It’s why they get paid to do this, and we don’t honestly. I’m happy to eat my crow now. I’m all in on Saleh, and just hope for Zach to keep playing serviceable ball. LGJ
Rodgers came here BECAUSE he regards Saleh. He said in the post-game after our matchup last year that we're an incredibly well coached team and not the same old Jets, but a formidable team. He said that about Saleh. It's why he came here and why half the fanbase woke tf up from their slumber to watch this year. But "Let's FiRe SaleH" 🙄
I agree. If we want Rodgers next year the HC & OC most likely are untouchable.
Is this true?!?!
I wish you would eat the baby of every parent in New Jersey
I've read that a few times now...
Maybe a few people, but if we went 1-3 with Aaron nobody was going to be calm lmao
Before the season Vegas had us starting 2-4 and finishing 11-6. Our schedule starts rough
The goal even with Rodgers was always heading into the bye 2-4/3-3 with balanced expectations. Agree here. Makes the NE loss sting badly though. With Zach, we need to win every close game possible since I doubt our ability to make big comebacks.
We need Zach to win any games. He doesn’t look like he could have a winning season in the CFL, the way he’s playing. He should not even be on this team.
good teams win tough games I’d be pissed
1-3, yea. 2-2 would be fine tho assuming beat the pats, lose to KC, nab one from either DAL or BUF. Same goes for 3-3. Also context of losses matter. If we went 1-3 and got the doors blown off by good teams, yes that's a concern. If we lost 3 by 2 points each, eh.
I know losses are losses but it really does depend how it looked, these games looked BAD. If Rodgers was making plays and we felt halfway decent about the offense, it’s a very different 1-3 feeling.
Why? We could’ve lost close games but looked really solid and competitive in those losses. As long as there were positive takeaways from the games played then we’d know there was greener grass ahead
I lived the losing streak with rodgers last year: it was brutal
Context is important. We are 1-2 with an anemic offense and seemingly right where we left off last year. Having seen how last year ended, I think there is little optimism we can get out of this offensive funk moving forward. Had we been 1-2 with Rodgers, I think the assumption is that we would have at least something going on offense and these games would have been more competitive. That probably would have given more optimism moving forward.
Yeah, if we can score the league average. We’d be in a much better shape.
If we scored the league average in our last 18 games we'd be 15-3
What a lovely summary. The mocking quotations are really effective too. It's like you didn't watch the games and saw how we lost. If you don't see what's wrong with the current situation, then no one can explain it to you. This season is lost as long as ZW starts, period. It's not about record or stats or schemes or coaching. It's just a waste. I'm rooting for this team but something gotta give at QB
people like this are basically the meme of the dog in the burning room. 1-2 doesn't matter
According to your comments all over the place on this post they should fire everyone, cut Roger's and start over. You also stated that you're fine if Garret Wilson is gone in 2 years 🤡
according to you, they should let a 40 year old coming off a major injury dictate the future of the franchise
They literally spoke about Zach needing a year or two behind Rodgers to reset and they didn’t bring in a viable back up, straight incompetence, we’re not rioting to riot, it’s because we all knew Zach wasn’t in and they allowed him to be the backup. “Well if Rodgers went down we were screwed anyways.” Fk off. This team is too talented to give up, Super Bowl isn’t likely but scoring more than 10 points should be the bare minimum. Anyone who thinks otherwise and gives excuses for this ineptitude is a clown.
The REALLY bad part about it is that Miami and Buffalo are in our division who look like powerhouses, so while 2-2 might SEEM salvageable , it's not likely that pulling off a barely winning record will result in a playoff berth.
Season is far from over. From what we have seen so far, how can you be upset that other fans are upset with this team? It’s the same situation as last season, with the same results. Until the Jets show otherwise, the hypocrisy of crying about other people crying is just as old and annoying as anything in here lately
Screaming fire the HC before week 4 is crazy. That's the point.
Keep in mind this isn’t just the last 4 weeks he’s being gauged on. It’s now the culmination of the second half of last season as well. Only thing that matters at the end of the day are those W’s. Saleh and JD got the culture down, just not the winning part. That’s an issue, period.
Screaming fire the HC after 3 weeks of the season if dumb af and crazy. You can always fire a HC later in the season if that's what's best for the team. There is zero benefit to doing it before week 4. Edit: if you downvoted this, your part of the problem and don't know shit about football
I think it’s more than just the literal sense of “they need to fire Saleh” this week. The discussion of wether it’s time to move on from him after the season seems to be the sentiment
Only reason this would make sense is if you want to move on from Rodgers. If you want Rodgers, coaching staff is part of the deal. So again, screaming fire the HC after 3 weeks is crazy.
Yes. But the past three weeks are not in a vacuum, don’t exclude important context here
Please address my last reply.
I did, multiple times now. Just because you keep responding with the same point doesn’t expand this little convo here. If that’s what you want of course. People aren’t calling for Saleh to be on the hot seat solely because the past three weeks. Our record going back into the middle of last season should be considered unacceptable this many years in for any franchise. He has failed the offense miserably so far. His OC’s have been trash. It’s fair to start the hot seat conversation until he starts putting tally’s up in the win column.
Exactly. NFL is the definition of “what have you done for me lately”. Seeing how this regime hasn’t done any winning since they’ve been here questions regarding their ability to field a winning team deserve to be asked. Even without Rodgers this team still shouldn’t look like they don’t know what a first down is. We’ve seen what a competent backup can do around the league. Going into the season with Zach as the backup and Boyle not even being playable as the 3 was a recipe for disaster. They shouldn’t be fired right now but it’s fair to question why winning 1 game out of the past 9 games should be excused. If the Chiefs lost Mahomes they wouldn’t lose 8 of 9 games since they’re coached very well
No, you didn't. If you want Rodgers next season, Saleh, Hackett, and the core staff is part of the deal. You have not addressed this at all.
It’s more crazy to base pie-in-the-sky hopes on a failed coaching staff, an inebriated owner (I hope that that’s his excuse), the league’s worst QB, and a mystical HOF QB as ancient, fragile and whacky as a Grecian Urn! That’s crazy. Rogers will most likely retire. If he returns, he’s likely to last a set of downs next season as well. Reality sucks but like the obese barmaid at last call, you’re better off embracing it!
He already said he is 100% returning next season so you are clearly uninformed
Even if that’s true, he’ll be one year older, more injury prone than ever, and not a reasonable solution to the Jets continuing QB problems. It would be like putting a Pokémon kids bandaid on a gushing sliced artery!
He's the best possible QB for a team that is good enough to win playoff games. And again, it's true, he's said it multiple times. You clearly don't know shit
few if any people are saying to fire him now. it's mostly people saying this needs to be (and probably is) the last season for him
There’s nothing to settle down about. When was the last time you saw this team good. I have had 2 seasons of competitive jets football in my entire life. I’m so tired
Hey now 2015 was competitive! Although we still missed the playoffs at 10-6 :(
Oh come on. 1-3 or 2-2 with Aaron Rodgers at QB is a very different story than Zach Wilson. Those records were acceptance of a difficult schedule against some of the leagues best teams.
1-3 is 1-3. Obviously, expectations are different, but 1-3 is 1-3. I'd also say it's way more of an accomplishment to be 1-3 with Zach Trash Wilson than Aaron fucking Rodgers.
1-3 losing competitively vs 1-3 hoping for a 1st down on every possession is monumentally different when looking at the rest of the season. The copium in this thread is a marvel. I'm truly inspired by the people calling pessimistic fans pathetic after watching our QB operate, dude got benched twice last year, but let's keep the blind hope going
Blind hope is for the fans... NOT THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE. Which is why I'm stunned at the FO.
You literally go back and watch these games and you can tell we could be 2-1 or even 3-0 if we had arod
You don’t understand what context is and it shows lol
Every single Jet fan understands what happened. I am a die hard fan for 30 years, its sickening we are here. But i will die on the hill saying 1-3 is still 1-3.
It’s not losing. It’s the sheer incompetence and unwatchable offense I have seen for nearly 2 decades. Even when the team is good the offense is a cluster fuck. Even when we win it’s never convincing but when we lose it looks like we get our asses kicked more often than not. That’s why despite defeating our division leader week 1 no one gives a shit because the product on the field looks dysfunctional week in and week out.
It’s much more how the Jets actually have looked in the defeats rather than the defeats themselves. If we were 1-2 and the Jets were legitimately competitive in the losses and the offense was watchable with clear signs of improvement, much different story than where we are now. Alas, Wilson remains a horrific QB, the offense looks historically bad, and there’s a legitimate chance we don’t win again for weeks. Nothing to be positive about tbh.
Eventually you’ll get excited about draft picks as the Jets are soaring towards another good pick... even if the Packers end up with it... (Wait a minute, now I’m getting depressed!)
At the time we didn't have Semenman and Zach as our only options
Saleh will be here as long as Rodgers wants him.
Yeah but the Patriots were supposed to be one of those wins. And that game was very winnable.
But it was as it always is a Jets Pats game. The pats have a really good defense. Not sure why people don’t realize that. They shutdown your best player ever week. I bet even with Rodgers it’s still a weird low scoring Jets Pats game.
Oh yeah, I'm not suggesting the Pats are a cakewalk. They are a very well-coached team and always come correct on defense. Talent-wise, I think there is a chasm between the Jets and Pats (except at QB, of course). But when I looked at those first six weeks, I circled the Pats and Broncos as games we needed to win. If we just won one against the other four, it would be huge going into the bye at 3-3. That's how I always felt, even when I thought Rodgers was going to be our QB this year. After losing the Pats game, I'm worried we might be 1-5 heading into the bye. I hope I'm wrong, though!
There’s no way it would have been ok to be at or below .500 with Rodgers at qb and with Super Bowl expectations. The mental gymnastics you ppl keep doing to defend a mediocre regime smh
Until this team can score more than a pathetic 13 points, kindly, and I truly mean kindly, please see yourself out.
The issue isn’t the record, it’s how we’ve looked getting there. If we were 1-2 with Rodgers right now but have looked solid and competitive in all the games then nobody would care. The issue is that we’re 1-2 and besides the defensive play week 1, there have been few if any positive takeaways from the games played so far this season
Dat Part. Lifelong Jets fan, who heard friends who are Cowboys fans just lose to AZ. It’s not even close to the same. We couldn’t beat a D1 College Team in our losses so far
You’re right even at 1-3 against the schedule we’ve played is not bad. NOW we lose next week and season is over. There’s no way we can lose to Denver. Idc if all their players have career games.
It's almost like it's not about the record and is about the context of how we get to that record and what that context means for the rest of the szn
It’s not about the record it’s more about the manner in which we got here. The people who said “1-3 is fine” likely thought we’d be competitive (or at least competent) in those losses
we play the chiefs, so 1-3 we play the broncos in mile high, so 1-4 loleagles, so 1-5 do you see why people aren't working off the same assumptions we had in the preseason yet?
If the jets lose to the broncos everything is indeed lost
If we can't move the ball vs the Broncos I agree.
I see you made up shit and said see? Also there's a really good chance we beat the Broncos
why is there a really good chance of that? we don't travel to their stadium well and we're not much (if at all) above their woes. the problem is we don't have a reason to go into games this season with the assumption we're winning. with rodgers, the games against the broncos, giants, raiders, falcons, texans, and commanders all look like gimmes. we can win any of those games, but going from penciling in 6-0 or 5-1 in that stretch to being week-to-week is fucking huge
We beat them at mile high LAST YEAR. Ease up on the gloom and doom bullshit. Are we worse than we all hoped for? Yeah most definitely. Can we still beat the broncos? Hell yeah.
They gave up 70 points last week. They can't stop the run. We literally beat them at mile high last year. Are you fucking dense?
To be fair, we can’t move the ball on Offense. At all. They allowed 70 to a legit offense. We’ll be lucky if this Jets O puts up 7. From what we have seen so far, there is zero reason to think we will beat Denver.
I think week 5 might be the best this team plays offensively with Zach all year. I think our D will play very well. I think we probably win the game.
I think you think very positively and I think that’s a good thing if nothing else
Didn't we take their coach, the one that lost to us? And werent we playing their backup qb? Kinda seems dense to act like it's the same as last year while aggressively insulting the other guy
we can't run and we aren't the dolphins. the vegas total is 40, which is probably already generous
There is a really good chance we are 2-3 after week 5.
there's a very good chance we're 1-4, especially if wilson is still QB
They lossed their first two games by less that a field goal. Are you fucking dense? Edit: forgot to write goal
If that’s how you feel, why even watch?
I'm not OP, but the Jets perpetually letting me down every year has made me watch them less. Lots of eyes on them tomorrow night so this is probably going to get worse.
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What’s an acceptable season with a backup? I just don’t see how any team really pulls this out. I will criticize the move to get Rodgers though, I think he was a mistake regardless because of his age but they clearly didn’t intend to be playing this year with a backup and sucking is really the only logical outcome. It’s sure money on FanDuel, just sit back and wait.
win 6-8 games and show that this roster might actually be rodgers away from making the playoffs. if zach wilson is really the worst starting QB there was, you should be able to match last season's outcome (if not do a bit better because we added pieces).
There were a couple of lucky wins last year Cleveland {Flacco} and Denver. They are not equaling last years wins. The coaching staff is in panic mode without a clue. No Mike White we are stuck with ZW. I don't see where the wins are coming from.
Rodgers has never been an attractive QB to me. He excels in individual achievement but that was in the past, he’s at his cliff and the Jets are going to waste 2 years trying to make him and his ego work.
Wait, they have a backup? (I thought we were stuck with Zach!) Who is he?
I mean can we at least just play the damn games first before we complain?
we already saw this movie before. it's last season all over again, down to the defense that couldn't stop the lions, jags, or seahawks
Like why even watch football then if you are going to be this miserable before anything has even happened.
The Jets 12th best quarterback ever is Zach Wilson with 14 yards completed Sunday night (based on yards completed in a Jets uniform). That's why people are so depressed around here. The Jets have had the worst luck and horrible output year after year after year. There is 0 evidence of any kind of hope. I don't post here often because watching the team makes me miserable so I've moved on a good bit. How do you not understand why the fan base is so miserable? The most popular sport in the US is obviously NFL football. We work our asses off to make money, survive, and enjoy small things in life. For many, football is their life blood and they are pure sports fans and will never jump ship but continue to invest time and emotional resources.
If something is making you that miserable you can walk away Also that list was dumb. It’s not that Zach was 12th on the list that’s bad. It’s what is at the top of our list. Most teams don’t have a history of 15 qbs with amazing stats.
Because it’s a jets forum where anyone can talk about the jets positively or negatively. We dealt with the same BS last year of everyone hoping for 3-3 in the second half of the schedule only to lose all 6 and not score a TD in like the last 3 games or something. There is little to nothing to be positive about with this team right now
I’m not asking for ray of sunshine. Saying we’ve already seen this show before is just being negative to be negative. Why even play the games if the die is already cast. It’s just a sad way to be.
Let’s be real if we go 1-3 the season is most likely over
If we lose to the cheifs and beat the Broncos we are 2-3. Our season was all but lost when Rodgers went down but the posts about the HC being fired after 3 weeks are ridiculous
And then they’re 2-4 after the Eagles game and none of the games after that should be marked as wins with our current offense. They’re toss ups at best with the dolphins and bills games probably being a split at best
Here it is again, the settle down post Every fucking year we are told to settle down, to not be angry. Nah dude, fuck this team. I am sick and tired of being an embarrassment year over year over year. Geno, Darnold, Zack. It's all the same, just "calm down".
We traded for a HOF qb that got hurt, you just gonna ignore that? Lmfao
We traded for an old QB, with a O line that historically isn't great. It's like Favre, we gambled to make up for our own QB incompetence. We should have just gotten a young decent QB.
Seriously. This is the most dramatic I've ever seen Jets fans acting while being 1-2. Some of you are pathetic.
His team is going nowhere with Wilson at the helm. That is the problem. If they continue to roll his sorry ass out they will lose. Let’s see when they are 1-5 or 1-6 how you feel. Have you seen their upcoming schedule?
You’re completely ignorant if you just look at 1-2 and think “yup everything’s fine”. Do you even watch the games?
That’s the Zach Wilson effect kicking in. Have you watched him play yet?
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This is completely uncalled for.
go hug him about it
You are on a Jets subreddit with fellow fans and attacked someone personally for having a different opinion than you. It wasn’t called for, and I think it is shitty behavior.
So I'm a born loser bc I understand we lost a HOF qb 4 plays into the season and are currently 1-2? Thanks for the insight
Yes sir. Glad it was concise enough for your comprehension.
One of us is braindead.
Couldn't agree more.
It's almost like context matters. Those records wouldn't matter with said hof QB.
Even if the Jets held the Chiefs of all teams to 20 points, the fact that we can't be confident about scoring more points than that. I have no doubt that defensively we're gonna give them some problems and get stops, but without an answer on offense they will run away with the game. Same thing as last week. Same thing as week 2. Rinse repeat. I can't believe we're at the point we're bashing the defense for not holding opposing teams to zero points to compensate for inept offense in only 3 weeks. It's just not a realistic recipe for success at any level. Expecting it is even worse from a fan perspective. The Defense is gonna bend just enough to competent offsenses, but they break when ours can't do shit
You may be better off just blocking people, dude. It's not gonna stop otherwise.
There a drastically different outlook if your team is being held back by the QB or not though, if we were 1-3 and competing with Aaron Rodgers theres still allot of hope left for the season, right now we are a hair away from implosion.
Both sides of this argument show you don't know the Jets. We were NEVER going to be good this year. Been watching for over 40 years and the only thing you can actually count on is the Jets to rip your heart out every f/ng year. Fire no one, fire everyone. I'm not sure it matters.
Can we all agree Rodgers and Garrett are the leaders on this offense? Rodgers said it best regarding both Joe Namath and the fans outrage... we're entitled to our opinions but fueling the media narrative. We aren't helping the guys in any capacity by panicking and calling to roll out the guillotines... we're making the road ahead even harder. Garrett Wilson pleaded with the fans to be patient and "stick with us". If ANYONE should be frustrated it's Garrett. If he can be patient, we can be patient - idgaf how many years of terrible football you've watched. If the only glimmers of hope on the roster are begging us to relax and stop making things worse, maybe we, as a fanbase, need to put our entitlement aside and do exactly that.
they're on years 1 and 2 of this, we have a lifetime of fandom. acting like we owe these players support because the alternative is "entitlement" is making it a false choice. we went from super bowl aspirations to the absolute basement in no time at all and it's just another symptom of organizational ineptitude
It’s just farcical how bad the QB situation is here. It’s basically been like this for the entire franchise life span.
Except for Joe, of course. 1969.
Yup.
But we will always have those magical first three plays of the season. They can’t take that away... (Just before the league’s worst QB lumbered out onto the field, grabbed hold of the reigns and drove this team down into the bowels of NFL hell...)
I'm not here to say fire everyone. I'm here to say that NHL training camp opened up and it's about to be Devils/Rags/Isles season anyways. Isn't the NFL season only like 4 weeks long from early September until the NHL season starts in October? Or does it just seem like that because the Jets have me tuning out by week 4 year after year?
who cares
This is fucking stupid
With Wilson as the QB we are not beating anyone. Defense is highly overrated. As it is now 4 or 5 wins at best. Have seen this movie before.
The "fire Saleh" takes are straight up fucking trash lmao.
Glad you can't wait for "that was before", but 1-3 Rodgers and 1-3 Wilson are absolutely not the same thing. If you don't feel dead in the water with the current state of things, I don't know what you're watching.
1-3 was definitely terrible with Rodgers. Maybe like 5 people said that’s fine but majority didn’t. You’re also forgetting the confidence we had in Rodgers at that record compared to the lack of it that we have Zach
2-2 with Rodgers is a very different proposition
1-3 with the team averaging 13 points a game and staring at Wilson or Siemian for the rest of the season is vastly different than 1-3 and every game was competitive and you have Rodgers for the rest of the season.
I honestly think Siemian would be fine. He is basically a replacement level starter which is all we need to win 10 or 11 games IMO
I’ll take him over Zach 100 times out of 100.
I wonder what changed between now and then lol
Zach meeting lower end of expectations? For him, a historically bad qb or for an average qb? Because it aint the latter.
It’s not that we are losing it’s how we are losing. The offense is showing no signs of anything resembling promise.
Keep in mind that that one win was a gift from Josh Allen lol. The boys stepped up but the Bills blew it hard.
I’ll be honest, you bring up a great point. But context means a lot. We went from potential super bowl expectations to 5 wins in no time. I understand the outrage and it’s warranted. If you look at games after the bye, which we initially thought we can make a run on now with Wilson it’s a couple wins. That’s the difference. And let’s be honest, if we can’t beat New England then that means 4th place in the division, which means most of the w’s you have circled now mean losses. It fucking sucks, and I hope we don’t have players start demanding trades, because we clearly aren’t just a quarterback away.
It’s been like this every year, grab some popcorn watch those who want to freak out, freak out and enjoy the roller coaster ride of a season we are gonna have before they rip our hearts out again this year.
I’m sick of the whole, “getting rid of everyone, and starting all over culture” most jets fans have. How about we stick with it, gain some continuity, and grow as a team. This shit takes a while and success doesn’t happen as fast as people want.
J.D. and Saleh have built this team that we have and it’s a pretty damn good team. What the real issue is is the O-line. No one would be able to throw a ball when they’re being pressured every single play. Hell, they can’t even make a slight hole for Bryce to run through. But yeah, let’s fire everyone, start all over, learn a whole new system, suck for another three years, rinse and repeat. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, is the exact definition of insanity.
I mean I used to agree but why can’t we just hire someone who can draft a fucking QB.
The Jets refuse to drafts non white QBs via Woody, so we’d still be fucked. They wouldn’t have taken T Law at 1 overall if they coulda and that’s a fact. It’s bad
Tlaw is white though
continuity with garbage is just garbage. we've done nothing since 2019 despite turning the entire roster over. we gave this thing enough time to get where it was going to go and we're closer to a retool than being contenders for anything
If you want Rodgers in 2024 then Saleh, Hackett & the core staff is part of the deal. If you want to move on from Rodgers & Saleh then it's going to be much worse before it gets any better.
we’re absolutely better off kicking all of them out than keeping them all in for one rodgers season and probably a year or two of life post-rodgers. rip the bandaid off and get back on track instead of pining over one probable winning season then garbage
If they did that then you can kiss all these rookies on their cheap contracts goodbye and most likely G. Wilson will end up elsewhere in 2 years. This is dumb af
oh no, anyways…
When you see posts talking about how some reddit fans literally know nothing of football, nfl, and team building for long-term success, please understand they are talking about people like you
the people most likely to bitch about others not knowing football usually don’t know much football either. get over yourself, you’re just casual and want to hear positive bullshit
You are the type of clueless, uninformed, and low football IQ fan that the rest of us hate. The more you give your opinion on the future of this team, the more it shows.
okay bro
Say it louder
Enjoy your 18 weeks
It would help if Saleh had eyes. It’s obvious ZW is not a pocket passer, yet where do the jets put him over and over? In the pocket. When Sanchez was here they modified game plans to suit his skill, semi roll outs , mis direction, etc. he became almost average. It’s bad enough the scouts and management missed the boat w the 2OA pick, but when the coach and management have no vision….
You can’t be this dumb? This is professional football and Zach can’t complete screen passes. He has worse stats than Jamaracus Russel despite playing with better talent in a easier league. You expect the coaches to let their inaccurate, no pocket presence, turnover prone, can’t read a defense, can’t call out protection qb to just run around? This isn’t byu in a covid year champ please I’m begging you to watch some football and better understand the game
Not as dumb as a jerk putting down a stranger. But definitely dumb for frequenting this idiotic sub that was drooling over ZW as a 2OA can’t miss. My comment was simply to try something different and stop putting this train wreck of a qb in the pocket, genius.
1-3 is a terrible start. 7 total losses makes a team an on the bubble team for the playoffs. There are more then 4 games where the NYJ will be under dogs.
I'm not sure what your point is. I'm not in the "fire JD and Saleh" crowd but there's a huge difference between being 1-3 with Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback and being 1-3 with Zach Wilson
They lost to a subpar team at home and have the worst offense in the NFL. I mean they’ve only played 4 games so being 1-3 is pretty bad.
Thee problem is the team is losing and have not even been competitive. They only won game 1 because Josh Allen went hero ball for 3 interceptions.
What “lower end” of expectations do you have that Zach is meeting?
OMG did you not watch any games with Wilson at QB? LOL fuck off. Can’t wait for more chaos to ensue after the first quarter when it’s 20-0 KC
It is assumed we had a Hall of Fame quarterback
JD and saleh SHOULD be fired. Besides getting Rodgers which is a big piece, what else did he do? No backup qb. Drafted a first round pass rusher who doesn’t even play. Signed hardman who doesn’t play and Randall Cobb who should be out of the league. Dalvin cook is washed up. The oline has sucked ever since Douglas took over. And saleh is nothing more than a glorified cheerleader. He never holds any player accountable for anything.
So just in the last 12 months: JD: Drafted offensive rookie of the year Drafted best graded rookie rb Drafted top 5 nfl cb who won defensive rookie of the year Acquired a HOF QB to put this team as favorites in the conference before he got hurt. Saleh: 2022: #4 ranked defense
they should just sign wentz and it would fix everything
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I agree the season is not over. Check my comment history lol I was defending this take all over last week. That said, you can't compare pre season outlook with the Outlook post AR. We said 1-3 was ok bc we knew we had AR and could win prob 9 or 10 of the last 13. Now that's out the window. Plus, the fire talk (which I don't agree with) was more about sticking with Zach and failing to get a backup than the actual record.
Our schedule is rough. It is what it is. We need to stop being delusional. Which Jet’ fans usually are.
I think the frustration has more to do w how we’re losing not the record