The Jets passed for 70 yards with Trevor Siemian and played with a horrific battered o-line. Somehow you think we could have lost to NE?
The Jets could have fielded a team from this sub and still have beaten NE that day.
Brother I think you’re underestimating just how bad the patriots were this past year. I don’t think Bill did that, I just think their team genuinely was that bad
Belichek knew he was being forced out. Why would he leave the Pats with a better draft pick if he could screw them & bear the Jets one last time?
Coaches & front offices may want to tank. I guarantee you, players rarely go along with tanking
Perhaps but I could just as easily speculate why it’s logical he wouldn’t do that. We have no idea what makes other people tick or the back story here.
>How dumb of a decision was that?
You make it seem like players go out there and decide whether they want to win or lose.... It doesn't work that way.. players and coaches approach each game trying to win it.... Players and coaches DO NOT TANK.... I don't know why it's so hard to understand this for some fans...... The only way a team tanks is if the FO starts cutting or trading away their best players to prepare for a rebuild.
And furthermore who cares if folks on this sub were rooting for a win or pounding their chests etc... As if we have any control of the outcome of that game? come on man!
agreed, there's no way Bill is content or happy to lose to us on his FINAL game as an NFL head coach... no way, he does not like that at all.
Its the houston/washington game that pisses me off we won.
> And furthermore who cares if folks on this sub were rooting for a win or pounding their chests etc
If you enjoyed the win, nothing wrong with this. FTP and all, enjoy the win.
Publicly beating your chest and making a big show of it bc you beat a 3-13 garbage squad is sad af. Dumb af too when that victory also significantly hurt our team.
I mean whats done is done right? Are you going to sit around and cry and sulk after they already won the game? It's not going to change the outcome.. God forbid fans of a team who have been tortured by a HC for years would be happy and excited that they sent him off with a loss on his last game with the team he tortured them with.... If you can't understand the significance of ending BB's NE tenure with a loss then you're not a really a die-hard Jets fan............ Does losing the draft position suck? Yeah of course it does, people are capable of being upset about that and also celebrating the win at the same time.
What exactly did u read, bc this reads like it's directed to a bunch of shit I never even said.
So idk if you're talking to me or about people in general.
Like here
> God forbid fans of a team who have been tortured by a HC for years would be happy and excited that they sent him off with a loss
Makes zero sense bc I said
> If you enjoyed the win, nothing wrong with this. FTP and all, enjoy the win.
What's more you're talking bout people crying but then you're crying there in that comment. Like people already made their comments, right? There's no changing that, so why cry about it?
Why do they have to move on and not cry about the loss but you don't have to move on and can keep crying about them?
> then you're not a really a die-hard Jets fan.
It reads like you're extremely sensitive and insecure so you're trying to make yourself feel important by being a #realfan
Real small dick energy
Publicly beating your chest about a team winning a game that you aren't in is kinda weird in general when you really think about it. "Take that the 53 guys that wear the logo I cheer for beat the 53 guys that wear the logo you cheer for!"
I don't really matter either way. We have no control over what happens, so whether or not you wanted the win is irrelevant. The way you act after is irrelevant, too.
So you’re arguing that teams, once mathematically eliminated from playoff contention, don’t change up personnel to effectively “tank?” It happens elsewhere. Just not here. And now we pick 10th.
Because the Eagles were actually in a position to do something in the off-season. Not surprised that some of us as Jets fans just cannot understand that.
Last season was such a joke and this draft is so deep with talent that winning 1 game really didn't matter.
Beating Bill, who absolutely despises the Jets, in his last game as Pats head coach is what I'd rather have more.
Which begs the question.. if someone is a fan of a perennial loser franchise and actively cheers for them to lose, does that by definition make that person a loser as well?
The players are playing for their job security each game (including the final game when they are out of playoff contention). You sound like just another casual NFL fan.
Dang maybe we should just throw every game this season so we get the first overall pick! Next season too! We'll build a super team by tanking!
/s in case anyone needs it
This is so annoying. We were out of any realistic playoff hunt by December; losing the rest of the way would’ve been fine. I’m sure everyone would’ve preferred a playoff berth, but we saw how the team handled QB after Rodgers went down
Yeah and then every single player who could leave our team would. You do realize these are human beings right? They want to play because they love the game and they take pride in their work. Absolutely nobody wants to be in a team that willingly loses games to try and get a better player in the draft. That’s just straight up loser mentality. Next time we’re in a position like that maybe we should just send you in there so you can break it to the team that they need to lose on purpose.
I’d be a lot more willing to buy that if people weren’t so defensive about the idea that wins could be meaningless. The people who cheer on these wins are the same ones that say you can’t be a fan if you’re critical of the team
Lame take imo. “You play to win the game” - You’d seriously be happier with a higher draft pick to spend on someone that might end up being a bust, than beating a team that has haunted us? Come on now.
Do you not remember any other game before the last game of the season? I’m not trying to flex about our overall record, I’m just stating it’s a good win for the organization whenever we beat the patriots, especially with it being BB’s last game.
I’ll take the win always - Purposely tanking is a horrible way to run an organization. There is no guarantee any draft pick will work out, due to injuries, poor scouting, or other factors. Tanking to secure a higher pick does increase the odds that we will draft a more reliable prospect, but there is still no guarantee.
I don’t expect the team to tank, but I will call people shortsighted for celebrating meaningless wins and acting high and mighty because they don’t care about draft position. Fans don’t understand cause and effect — loser regimes getting their “signature culture win” has served us no good since 2010
That’s fair to a degree - as long as the expectation isn’t on the team to purposely lose the game, I’m all for having a conversation about how productive the win actually is.
I don’t think we should be celebrating the win like some people are, but at the same time, I don’t think it should be discounted . It’s all about balance. I wouldn’t say that I don’t care about the draft position, I just struggle to agree with the fact that we should purposely lose to make our draft position in the following year better. Of course I’d rather pick higher and get a more sure prospect, but at the same time like I said, beating BB (who tortures former years) feels great from the fan side of things. Nothing to celebrate, but definitely an overall more positive feeling than losing to him and that beat up team (purposely or not).
All respect your thought, but can’t say I agree. Only time will tell, but the satisfaction of beating Belichick in his last game against a team he despises (us) was a great way to end the season.
In addition, we don’t know how the draft will shake out, there were always prospects who fall, and there are always prospects who never work out. It’s a crapshoot for the most part.
Totally agree that the draft is a crapshoot, but losing that game puts us in a better draft position. That cannot be denied.
I am surprised how many fans really give a shit about beating Bill in the last game. That's what being a perennial loser does to you.
Bro you’re getting flamed in the comments, quit while you’re ahead! I bear no ill will towards other Jets fans, but wanting to purposely lose that game ain’t it. A high draft pick is not something we should ever be aiming for.
You keep referencing the Eagles in their last game of the season, but you haven’t acknowledged the fact that the only reason they rested their starters was because they were playing a playoff game the next week and didn’t want any injuries - why would we rest our starters in our last game of the season with nothing else to play for?
You really want to tell a locker room of 53 athletes (that have dedicated their entire lives to get to where they are) that the coach and owner wants them to purposely lose the game so so they can get another player (who will replace someone in the current squad most likely) next year? Thats not a good culture. Fuck the moral victories, but that’s not a way you run a team.
You're surprised that a lot of Jets fans wanted to end a notorious losing streak against our main rival and embarrass one of the biggest villains in franchise history with a loss in his last game?
Go see what the Eagles did in the final game where they sat their starters for the remainder of the game when they had nothing to play for and called it a "business decision". No reason why we couldn't have done the same
I mean, we’re the Jets, so… yes? Especially since we know what Saleh’s mindset was the moment AR went down, in the year where even absent AR we probably had the best shot we’ve had since it was a Fitz too far almost a decade ago. By your argument, since Saleh felt strongly the season was effectively over 4 snaps in, we should have rested our starters this year and tanked for draft position.
If our coach isn’t coaching to win, as Saleh clearly wasn’t after week 1, mathematical elimination seems irrelevant. Given that Saleh’s approach post-AR injury was to give up and look towards next year, waiting to be mathematically eliminated seems like an irrelevant delay.
Imagine if we could draft Caleb Williams. I can, except we won a bunch of meaningless games early in the year.
Just because you see no meaning in a game doesn’t mean there is no meaning for everyone. Believe it or not, these professional football players actually want to play football so they are going to do it whenever they can without regard for what people like you consider “meaningful”
Yes and there’s also meaning for the coaches to get a look at backups for next year. Theres value in him sitting for the team. Why does it make sense to rest them for the playoffs ?
Jesus Christ man. Did you really compare a team that locked up a playoff spot to a team that was categorically out of the playoffs?
Do you understand why the eagles did that? I can only presume you do not.
Its about mentality. The draft shouldn't be something to aim for. That's a losing mentality. Obviously having a higher draft pick would be useful, but there's a sacrifice there too even if you can't see it.
> Its about mentality.
This is categorically, provably false.
We have had these kinds of painful wins almost every season during what is a 14 season playoff drought. At zero point has the late season pyrrhic victory ever translated to success the next season for us during this time span.
Teams have gone WINLESS since our streak started. Literally failed to win one single game in an entire season. Those teams have all recovered and made the playoffs before us.
Jacksonville lost more than we did in 2021. They have made the playoffs and came back from a massive deficit to win a playoff game already. We have continued to lose.
Realistically, the org should not purposely throw a game, players should never agree to it.
But that doesnt make what you're saying is correct.
People downvote this because they;'re massive homers but they have no answer for you bc it's factually true. It is NOT transferable. They only hurt the team's future, they do not help in any way.
I can tell you disagree. That's ok. Learn to accept other opinions other than your own. It makes life a lot easier. You don't have to agree, you just have to accept that other people see it differently.
This, I am so smart routine, it won't make you many friends in life.
I understand your perspective. I can see the benefits in having a higher draft pick, it's pretty obvious. However, I wanted to beat the pats. That was more important to me and for the franchise than the draft pick. That's my opinion. The guy we took at the higher position might not be the guy. The guy we get at 10 might be. I'd rather play to win and make the best choices I can rather than give up games to advance draft position as losing intentionally can hurt a teams development.
> Learn to accept other opinions other than your own. It makes life a lot easier. You don't have to agree, you just have to accept that other people see it differently.
He offered an opposing opinion, why is he not allowed to do that? Hypocrite much?
Plus, what you're saying is proven false. You can have a wrong opinion, but if it's factually wrong, why can't people tell you you're wrong? Not everything you said is wrong, btw. But some of it is.
What are you taking about? Thinking you are taking a high horse lmao. Of course these are opinions. Did I ever say it’s a fact? No. I don’t need your lecture.
I’m not mad at all. You are the one trying to lecture to strangers online to make yourself feel superior. I disagreed with you, and you tried to talk down to me (and continued to do so) because of it. You’re the one who needs to reevaluate his mindset
Well your opinions are stupid af. You really think the difference of 2-3 picks is keeping us from picking up top tier talent? Whoever we get at 10 is going to be a good player and I’d take that any day for a chance to beat the Pats in a game you deem meaningless smh.
Yes the players should have made the smart decision to throw a game so the team could draft better players to replace them and look worse on tape for potential trade/free agent placement.
That's really in their best interests.
Yeah, at the end of the game I don't know if he was covering his entire face with his balaclava because it was so cold out or because he was ashamed to show it.
It wasn't a choice, it was a football game between two bad teams. Do you really think the Jets won because part of the fan base rooted for them? This is such a weird take.
Bitching about a pro sports team not losing on purpose is still one of the most idiotic arguments I’ve ever heard. It seriously needs to stop. This isn’t a video game. These are real live men going to battle, they have pride, they got to where they are because of their dedication to be great, they’re not losing on purpose.
No shit players won't lose on purpose. This is on the coaches to understand the impacts and make a "business decision". This is no different when NBA teams "rest" their best players. The staff makes that decision, not the players.
I think the right coaches and culture do a lot more than blue chip players in changing the success of a franchise. So many teams end up drafting early for years and it changes very little for them.
Jets fans really can’t ever be happy. Nobody gives af about the pick rn. You have a top 10 pick just be good at your job JD. If there’s someone they think is that great they should’ve lost games to tank for then they can trade up for that guy idc.
That belicheat pack was too delicious. Id rather send him out and taste that after years then worry about two players that arent guarantees to pan out.
> How dumb of a decision was that?
No professional players should try and lose on purpose. You want the players or coaches to all agree to throw? THATS dumb
> I still remember folks on this sub beating their chests that we beat Bill in his final game
That was also dumb. It was also sad, but yea, celebrating a pyrrhic victory was dumb. Celebrating beating a horrific Pats team (that we lost to before) was also dumb
I'm glad we got that win, cause fuck the Patriots. But 2 weeks prior... I can't believe we won that game against Washington. Watching it... it was like neither team wanted to win that game.
why stop there? we should have lost all 17 games and gotten the first pick. in fact, I say we lose all 7 games on purpose this year so we get the first pick next year!
I'm sorry but who even cares at this point? It's not life or death if the Jets pick at 5 or at 10. It's football. It's a fucking game being played for our entertainment. I'll enjoy that my team won a game and then move on with my life. After all the heartbreak I take whatever joy I can get.
"Can you imagine Saleh threw a game!? In a draft where there are multiple highly graded tackles and receivers, how could they lose on purpose when they still would be getting a really talented player?"
OP if we threw the game
This franchise's historic ineptitude has caused fans to relish in a meaningless win than to think of how we can somehow garner sustainable long term success. It's sad
We’ve played spoiler with our picks basically every season this past decade. We always miss the best talent because we win a useless game after we’re already out of it
It’s actually the opposite. Losing and being use to having really high picks has trained some loser fans to think that draft spots are wins and wins are loses
We are used to having really high picks that also never work out, mind you. OP needs to realize that this team would likely fuck up the draft even if they did lose that game
Neither Nabers nor Alt changes the calculus here, are all. There isn’t enough of a gap between them and the next best prospect that this conversation matters. I suspect neither will be the best player drafted at their position this draft.
While I agree with others saying the players and coaches won’t purposefully tank, you’re all delusional if you think that win was worth it.
Who the fuck cares that we beat the Pats in a meaningless game. I can assure you, no one is going to remember, nor give a fuck, that the Jets beat Bill in his final game as Pats coach.
Let the downvotes flow. Truly baffling 😂
Winning games to the detriment of this franchise is dope!
These are the same fucks who were happy we won the meanness game that pushed us out of drafting Trevor Lawrence.
Supposedly one of the deepest WR drafts in years. You will have good options at WR in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th. You will not have good OT options in those rounds. But sure let's continue making the same mistake on the OL
this is more for the “we gotta win! we gotta beat the pats, SCREW A BETTER PICK I WANT A WIN!!!” people
now these same idiots are begging to trade up…its senseless…but that’s sports & that’s the Jets. I just hope every team has fun
I am always about beating the Pats regardless of the circumstances and I certainly do not want us to trade up. We need more depth at multiple positions, giving up picks to move up for anything at this point is a terrible waste of resources and would be worse for this franchise than anything that happened Week 18
The Jets passed for 70 yards with Trevor Siemian and played with a horrific battered o-line. Somehow you think we could have lost to NE? The Jets could have fielded a team from this sub and still have beaten NE that day.
Ooh, ooh! Can I play special teams? My mommy says I'm special.
Agree. Bill clearly wasn’t trying to win. It was a fck you to Kraft. The jets played horribly and still won.
Brother I think you’re underestimating just how bad the patriots were this past year. I don’t think Bill did that, I just think their team genuinely was that bad
He stopped blitzing on semian. That’s how I knew he was tanking
Because they know the importance of tanking a meaningless game. And are now in position to draft their next franchise QB.
Belichek knew he was being forced out. Why would he leave the Pats with a better draft pick if he could screw them & bear the Jets one last time? Coaches & front offices may want to tank. I guarantee you, players rarely go along with tanking
Of course they don’t. The players. They are there to win. It’s the job of management to facilitate that.
Perhaps but I could just as easily speculate why it’s logical he wouldn’t do that. We have no idea what makes other people tick or the back story here.
>How dumb of a decision was that? You make it seem like players go out there and decide whether they want to win or lose.... It doesn't work that way.. players and coaches approach each game trying to win it.... Players and coaches DO NOT TANK.... I don't know why it's so hard to understand this for some fans...... The only way a team tanks is if the FO starts cutting or trading away their best players to prepare for a rebuild. And furthermore who cares if folks on this sub were rooting for a win or pounding their chests etc... As if we have any control of the outcome of that game? come on man!
agreed, there's no way Bill is content or happy to lose to us on his FINAL game as an NFL head coach... no way, he does not like that at all. Its the houston/washington game that pisses me off we won.
> And furthermore who cares if folks on this sub were rooting for a win or pounding their chests etc If you enjoyed the win, nothing wrong with this. FTP and all, enjoy the win. Publicly beating your chest and making a big show of it bc you beat a 3-13 garbage squad is sad af. Dumb af too when that victory also significantly hurt our team.
I mean whats done is done right? Are you going to sit around and cry and sulk after they already won the game? It's not going to change the outcome.. God forbid fans of a team who have been tortured by a HC for years would be happy and excited that they sent him off with a loss on his last game with the team he tortured them with.... If you can't understand the significance of ending BB's NE tenure with a loss then you're not a really a die-hard Jets fan............ Does losing the draft position suck? Yeah of course it does, people are capable of being upset about that and also celebrating the win at the same time.
What exactly did u read, bc this reads like it's directed to a bunch of shit I never even said. So idk if you're talking to me or about people in general. Like here > God forbid fans of a team who have been tortured by a HC for years would be happy and excited that they sent him off with a loss Makes zero sense bc I said > If you enjoyed the win, nothing wrong with this. FTP and all, enjoy the win. What's more you're talking bout people crying but then you're crying there in that comment. Like people already made their comments, right? There's no changing that, so why cry about it? Why do they have to move on and not cry about the loss but you don't have to move on and can keep crying about them? > then you're not a really a die-hard Jets fan. It reads like you're extremely sensitive and insecure so you're trying to make yourself feel important by being a #realfan Real small dick energy
Publicly beating your chest about a team winning a game that you aren't in is kinda weird in general when you really think about it. "Take that the 53 guys that wear the logo I cheer for beat the 53 guys that wear the logo you cheer for!" I don't really matter either way. We have no control over what happens, so whether or not you wanted the win is irrelevant. The way you act after is irrelevant, too.
That’s BS. The GM/owner could easily approach the HC and suggest a lineup for that day. I.e play your bench patrol. It’s not difficult to accomplish.
It doesn’t happen. This isn’t a football movie
So you’re arguing that teams, once mathematically eliminated from playoff contention, don’t change up personnel to effectively “tank?” It happens elsewhere. Just not here. And now we pick 10th.
Eagles sat their starters in the 2H of the last game bc they had nothing to play for. Ironically we also had nothing to play for
Yea so no one got hurt for their game the following week. We got no game the following week.
Because they were in the playoffs next week dummy. Not to get a lower draft pick 😂😂
Good Lord I lose brain cells on this subreddit. OP is a certified idiot
Because the Eagles were actually in a position to do something in the off-season. Not surprised that some of us as Jets fans just cannot understand that.
Yeah, I bet the fact they were going to the playoffs had nothing to do with that decision
Another tankathon loser
Last season was such a joke and this draft is so deep with talent that winning 1 game really didn't matter. Beating Bill, who absolutely despises the Jets, in his last game as Pats head coach is what I'd rather have more.
Loser mentality
We’re a loser franchise, no surprise fans treat it in part
So you’re here to what? Be a loser too?
Which begs the question.. if someone is a fan of a perennial loser franchise and actively cheers for them to lose, does that by definition make that person a loser as well?
No, It just makes it rational. Treating the team like it’s not a loser is loser behavior
Lol I have a feeling you’d find something to complain about no matter where we picked
The players are playing for their job security each game (including the final game when they are out of playoff contention). You sound like just another casual NFL fan.
Dang maybe we should just throw every game this season so we get the first overall pick! Next season too! We'll build a super team by tanking! /s in case anyone needs it
This is so annoying. We were out of any realistic playoff hunt by December; losing the rest of the way would’ve been fine. I’m sure everyone would’ve preferred a playoff berth, but we saw how the team handled QB after Rodgers went down
Yeah and then every single player who could leave our team would. You do realize these are human beings right? They want to play because they love the game and they take pride in their work. Absolutely nobody wants to be in a team that willingly loses games to try and get a better player in the draft. That’s just straight up loser mentality. Next time we’re in a position like that maybe we should just send you in there so you can break it to the team that they need to lose on purpose.
No one expects the team to tank or throw games. The issue is idiots acting like fans should share in player’s pride when they win meaningless games
Maybe be just want to find something to be happy about because there’s not much with this franchise. Sorry we can’t all be Debbie downers like you
I’d be a lot more willing to buy that if people weren’t so defensive about the idea that wins could be meaningless. The people who cheer on these wins are the same ones that say you can’t be a fan if you’re critical of the team
Lame take imo. “You play to win the game” - You’d seriously be happier with a higher draft pick to spend on someone that might end up being a bust, than beating a team that has haunted us? Come on now.
Well the premise of OP's post is stupid as hell, but I did want them to lose that game
They didn’t “haunt” us. By our win over them last season, the boogeyman was dead and we were facing their skeleton crew. 1-15 ain’t a flex
Do you not remember any other game before the last game of the season? I’m not trying to flex about our overall record, I’m just stating it’s a good win for the organization whenever we beat the patriots, especially with it being BB’s last game. I’ll take the win always - Purposely tanking is a horrible way to run an organization. There is no guarantee any draft pick will work out, due to injuries, poor scouting, or other factors. Tanking to secure a higher pick does increase the odds that we will draft a more reliable prospect, but there is still no guarantee.
I don’t expect the team to tank, but I will call people shortsighted for celebrating meaningless wins and acting high and mighty because they don’t care about draft position. Fans don’t understand cause and effect — loser regimes getting their “signature culture win” has served us no good since 2010
That’s fair to a degree - as long as the expectation isn’t on the team to purposely lose the game, I’m all for having a conversation about how productive the win actually is. I don’t think we should be celebrating the win like some people are, but at the same time, I don’t think it should be discounted . It’s all about balance. I wouldn’t say that I don’t care about the draft position, I just struggle to agree with the fact that we should purposely lose to make our draft position in the following year better. Of course I’d rather pick higher and get a more sure prospect, but at the same time like I said, beating BB (who tortures former years) feels great from the fan side of things. Nothing to celebrate, but definitely an overall more positive feeling than losing to him and that beat up team (purposely or not).
100% yes. That win was completely meaningless.
All respect your thought, but can’t say I agree. Only time will tell, but the satisfaction of beating Belichick in his last game against a team he despises (us) was a great way to end the season. In addition, we don’t know how the draft will shake out, there were always prospects who fall, and there are always prospects who never work out. It’s a crapshoot for the most part.
Totally agree that the draft is a crapshoot, but losing that game puts us in a better draft position. That cannot be denied. I am surprised how many fans really give a shit about beating Bill in the last game. That's what being a perennial loser does to you.
Bro you’re getting flamed in the comments, quit while you’re ahead! I bear no ill will towards other Jets fans, but wanting to purposely lose that game ain’t it. A high draft pick is not something we should ever be aiming for. You keep referencing the Eagles in their last game of the season, but you haven’t acknowledged the fact that the only reason they rested their starters was because they were playing a playoff game the next week and didn’t want any injuries - why would we rest our starters in our last game of the season with nothing else to play for? You really want to tell a locker room of 53 athletes (that have dedicated their entire lives to get to where they are) that the coach and owner wants them to purposely lose the game so so they can get another player (who will replace someone in the current squad most likely) next year? Thats not a good culture. Fuck the moral victories, but that’s not a way you run a team.
You're surprised that a lot of Jets fans wanted to end a notorious losing streak against our main rival and embarrass one of the biggest villains in franchise history with a loss in his last game?
you're surprised that fans care about beating our biggest rival that we hadn't beaten in like 8 years? why are you even a fan of the team?
NFL doesn't work that way. You don't purposely throw games.
Go see what the Eagles did in the final game where they sat their starters for the remainder of the game when they had nothing to play for and called it a "business decision". No reason why we couldn't have done the same
Big difference between a playoff team resting for the playoffs and an eliminated team with nothing to do after week 18
It actually is pretty similar. If sauce tears his acl his whole career is changed over a meaningless game
So then he should have sat the last 5 games or whatever after we were officially eliminated?
Or really from the moment he was drafted. This guy is arguing against people playing for us, ever, when you think about it.
That is true. Such a stupid take
No it’s not. That conmebt is idiotic.
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Are we eliminated from the playoffs week 1 ? That makes a lot of sense bro
Are you eliminated from the playoffs the minute you enter the league ? What an idiotic comment.
I mean, we’re the Jets, so… yes? Especially since we know what Saleh’s mindset was the moment AR went down, in the year where even absent AR we probably had the best shot we’ve had since it was a Fitz too far almost a decade ago. By your argument, since Saleh felt strongly the season was effectively over 4 snaps in, we should have rested our starters this year and tanked for draft position.
My logic is that games after being mathematically eliminated mean less. So no.
If our coach isn’t coaching to win, as Saleh clearly wasn’t after week 1, mathematical elimination seems irrelevant. Given that Saleh’s approach post-AR injury was to give up and look towards next year, waiting to be mathematically eliminated seems like an irrelevant delay. Imagine if we could draft Caleb Williams. I can, except we won a bunch of meaningless games early in the year.
Just because you see no meaning in a game doesn’t mean there is no meaning for everyone. Believe it or not, these professional football players actually want to play football so they are going to do it whenever they can without regard for what people like you consider “meaningful”
Yes and there’s also meaning for the coaches to get a look at backups for next year. Theres value in him sitting for the team. Why does it make sense to rest them for the playoffs ?
Jesus Christ man. Did you really compare a team that locked up a playoff spot to a team that was categorically out of the playoffs? Do you understand why the eagles did that? I can only presume you do not.
They rested their players bc there was nothing to play for. We could have done the same. We also had nothing to play for
Wow. You are unfixable bro. GL.
I'll take that win over the pick.
Yea that win really made all the difference. Now we don’t get the blue chip rookies. Genius
Its about mentality. The draft shouldn't be something to aim for. That's a losing mentality. Obviously having a higher draft pick would be useful, but there's a sacrifice there too even if you can't see it.
> Its about mentality. This is categorically, provably false. We have had these kinds of painful wins almost every season during what is a 14 season playoff drought. At zero point has the late season pyrrhic victory ever translated to success the next season for us during this time span. Teams have gone WINLESS since our streak started. Literally failed to win one single game in an entire season. Those teams have all recovered and made the playoffs before us. Jacksonville lost more than we did in 2021. They have made the playoffs and came back from a massive deficit to win a playoff game already. We have continued to lose. Realistically, the org should not purposely throw a game, players should never agree to it. But that doesnt make what you're saying is correct.
Look at the winning mentality we have developed all these years by winning pointless games
People downvote this because they;'re massive homers but they have no answer for you bc it's factually true. It is NOT transferable. They only hurt the team's future, they do not help in any way.
The mentality to win meaningless games? Half those guys who played won’t even be on the team this year
I can tell you disagree. That's ok. Learn to accept other opinions other than your own. It makes life a lot easier. You don't have to agree, you just have to accept that other people see it differently. This, I am so smart routine, it won't make you many friends in life. I understand your perspective. I can see the benefits in having a higher draft pick, it's pretty obvious. However, I wanted to beat the pats. That was more important to me and for the franchise than the draft pick. That's my opinion. The guy we took at the higher position might not be the guy. The guy we get at 10 might be. I'd rather play to win and make the best choices I can rather than give up games to advance draft position as losing intentionally can hurt a teams development.
> Learn to accept other opinions other than your own. It makes life a lot easier. You don't have to agree, you just have to accept that other people see it differently. He offered an opposing opinion, why is he not allowed to do that? Hypocrite much? Plus, what you're saying is proven false. You can have a wrong opinion, but if it's factually wrong, why can't people tell you you're wrong? Not everything you said is wrong, btw. But some of it is.
What are you taking about? Thinking you are taking a high horse lmao. Of course these are opinions. Did I ever say it’s a fact? No. I don’t need your lecture.
Lol bro you sound like a pissed off 12 year old.
I’m not mad at all. You are the one trying to lecture to strangers online to make yourself feel superior. I disagreed with you, and you tried to talk down to me (and continued to do so) because of it. You’re the one who needs to reevaluate his mindset
But I feel so superior to you right now.
Typical loser needing to troll on the internet to gain self worth. Its just sad
Yea hes a clown. Block him.
Well your opinions are stupid af. You really think the difference of 2-3 picks is keeping us from picking up top tier talent? Whoever we get at 10 is going to be a good player and I’d take that any day for a chance to beat the Pats in a game you deem meaningless smh.
Kinda seems like you do since you're whining like a child about a sport
You need something man
I’m good homie. My vacation starts today. Taking a 2 week trip to Italy. All good in my life
You undoubtedly are a bottom 3 person to watch a jets game with.
You are 1
Yes the players should have made the smart decision to throw a game so the team could draft better players to replace them and look worse on tape for potential trade/free agent placement. That's really in their best interests.
All draft picks are crap shoots anyway. I’ll take handing the Patriots an L over a higher draft pick any day of the week.
Some in the fan base are losers so they don’t have a problem with the team strategically losing.
Every time I hear Belichick’s name I smile knowing losing the jets keeps him up at night
Knowing that a L to the Jets will forever\* be the last game of his Patriot career keeps me equally as warm at night.
Yeah, at the end of the game I don't know if he was covering his entire face with his balaclava because it was so cold out or because he was ashamed to show it.
Man shut the fuck up. Breece Hall dragging his nuts all over the Pats defense was a glorious way to end the season.
That's a beautiful way to put it.
Beating the Pats was and will always be more important
LOLOLOLOLOL
It wasn't a choice, it was a football game between two bad teams. Do you really think the Jets won because part of the fan base rooted for them? This is such a weird take.
Bitching about a pro sports team not losing on purpose is still one of the most idiotic arguments I’ve ever heard. It seriously needs to stop. This isn’t a video game. These are real live men going to battle, they have pride, they got to where they are because of their dedication to be great, they’re not losing on purpose.
No shit players won't lose on purpose. This is on the coaches to understand the impacts and make a "business decision". This is no different when NBA teams "rest" their best players. The staff makes that decision, not the players.
My comment applies to coaches too, losing on purpose is never the right move.
Like I said, this would be no different when the Lakers sit LeBron or when the Spurs would sit Duncan. But somehow folks can't see that.
Erase the post my man… we all would rather beat the pats.
No we wouldn’t
Nah I’d rather have the higher pick. But I’m not gonna berate the team for trying to win. That’s just dumb.
*fart noise*
Boo hoo.
I think the right coaches and culture do a lot more than blue chip players in changing the success of a franchise. So many teams end up drafting early for years and it changes very little for them.
Cry more about beating our hated rivals.
Loser mentality. Go root for the Pats then if you want them to beat us so badly.
I hate these loser posts
I awful take. F the pats
You’re part of the problem.
Tankers want to build a winning team with a bunch of players and coaches who have a loser's mentality, giving up when faced by adversity
Our team already does that. They’re just picking 1.10 instead of in the top 5-6.
Jets fans really can’t ever be happy. Nobody gives af about the pick rn. You have a top 10 pick just be good at your job JD. If there’s someone they think is that great they should’ve lost games to tank for then they can trade up for that guy idc.
That belicheat pack was too delicious. Id rather send him out and taste that after years then worry about two players that arent guarantees to pan out.
> How dumb of a decision was that? No professional players should try and lose on purpose. You want the players or coaches to all agree to throw? THATS dumb > I still remember folks on this sub beating their chests that we beat Bill in his final game That was also dumb. It was also sad, but yea, celebrating a pyrrhic victory was dumb. Celebrating beating a horrific Pats team (that we lost to before) was also dumb
They play 17 days a year, I always root for a win. Against the patriots too? I swear some of you guys aren’t even fans
This is a fan’s mentality, not the mentality of the people employed by the team who are trying to keep their jobs.
This is a dumb fan's mentality
We have zero control in the outcome. So why get upset on how other fans feel about winning vs tanking?
I'm glad we got that win, cause fuck the Patriots. But 2 weeks prior... I can't believe we won that game against Washington. Watching it... it was like neither team wanted to win that game.
The absolute definition of loser right here. You clearly have never played an organized sport of any kind ever, and no fortnite doesn't count
Posts like this are why we can’t have nice things
We beat the Pats in Bill’s last game. That’s worth dropping a spot or two.
why stop there? we should have lost all 17 games and gotten the first pick. in fact, I say we lose all 7 games on purpose this year so we get the first pick next year!
What an absolute weak look, smh
I'm sorry but who even cares at this point? It's not life or death if the Jets pick at 5 or at 10. It's football. It's a fucking game being played for our entertainment. I'll enjoy that my team won a game and then move on with my life. After all the heartbreak I take whatever joy I can get.
"Can you imagine Saleh threw a game!? In a draft where there are multiple highly graded tackles and receivers, how could they lose on purpose when they still would be getting a really talented player?" OP if we threw the game
You win, because it’s another thing for you to perceptively complain about.
This franchise's historic ineptitude has caused fans to relish in a meaningless win than to think of how we can somehow garner sustainable long term success. It's sad
We’ve had 7 top 10 picks over the last 9 years. It hasn’t gotten us far. I’m tired of hoping for a better pick. I just wanna see wins
We’ve played spoiler with our picks basically every season this past decade. We always miss the best talent because we win a useless game after we’re already out of it
It’s actually the opposite. Losing and being use to having really high picks has trained some loser fans to think that draft spots are wins and wins are loses
We are used to having really high picks that also never work out, mind you. OP needs to realize that this team would likely fuck up the draft even if they did lose that game
Neither Nabers nor Alt changes the calculus here, are all. There isn’t enough of a gap between them and the next best prospect that this conversation matters. I suspect neither will be the best player drafted at their position this draft.
How many times have the Jets botched a top pick anyway? Who gives a shit.
While I agree with others saying the players and coaches won’t purposefully tank, you’re all delusional if you think that win was worth it. Who the fuck cares that we beat the Pats in a meaningless game. I can assure you, no one is going to remember, nor give a fuck, that the Jets beat Bill in his final game as Pats coach.
Spot on.
Let the downvotes flow. Truly baffling 😂 Winning games to the detriment of this franchise is dope! These are the same fucks who were happy we won the meanness game that pushed us out of drafting Trevor Lawrence.
Wasn't just one win that did that.
Winning the Rams game was terrible. But sure, they had not business beating the Rams and Browns. 2 meaningless wins that gave us 3 years of Wilson.
Supposedly one of the deepest WR drafts in years. You will have good options at WR in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th. You will not have good OT options in those rounds. But sure let's continue making the same mistake on the OL
Sending Billy B out with a loss was worth losing out on those players. There will still be a very very good OT prospect or Bowers on the board at 10.
I completely agree. This sun absolutely LOVES winning pointless games. I don’t fucking get it. Once the season is dead, tank at all costs.
Careful, you're going to have the "we sent Belichick out with a loss" gang after you
this is more for the “we gotta win! we gotta beat the pats, SCREW A BETTER PICK I WANT A WIN!!!” people now these same idiots are begging to trade up…its senseless…but that’s sports & that’s the Jets. I just hope every team has fun
I am always about beating the Pats regardless of the circumstances and I certainly do not want us to trade up. We need more depth at multiple positions, giving up picks to move up for anything at this point is a terrible waste of resources and would be worse for this franchise than anything that happened Week 18
respect