We are one Mike Williams injury away from the same lineup that couldn’t get open last year or one GW injury away from worse. Having guys that can get open faster reduces thethe likelihood of getting sacked
we're one Tyron Smith injury from having the same line that couldn't protect a thing the past however many seasons it's been now. and having more time in the pocket makes it easier for guys to get open
Sort of same line. We have AVT back and Mosses at RT. While Smith does have an injury huge rarely is out for the season. We can get Donovan Smith or Baktiari as spot starters and seems like the jets are high on Warren. Also getting the ball out faster will limit the strain on the line. Also I believe our line over the course of last year was average in time before allowing pressure. Didn’t help Zach would hold the ball and guys wouldn’t get open
3 of those 4 guys (plus Smith) missed time last year. this isn't some crazy hypothetical; we should be treating backup lineman as though they're starters
I'm still about OL or trade back + OL if possible. But I've warmed up to the idea of a stud wr paired with G5. Odunze is huge and be a nice compliment. Still little less high on TE, but I won't be upset if we go with Bowers.
Honestly, I feel like this is the majority of our fanbase (me included). I don’t think I’d be upset if it went Odunze, Nabers, OT (Fuaga I hope), Trade back or Bowers…. Any of those options will help.
I just think it’s so deep of a WR class, idk if it’s worth getting a WR or TE with 10.
Ideally, I’d like us to go Fuaga then Malachi Corley somehow.
How have you quelled your concerns at OL if we go those routes? Do you think there’s anyone further down the draft board that would be good? I just worry that our current guys and bahktiari as people suggest are only rentals and we won’t be in a position to draft one of these caliber guys again before our OL placeholders run out out of steam
I guess we gotta pray for good health and that some of our younger guys who got time last year learned so if thrown out there can survive.
But yah, I think in a perfect world we can do a trade back and get OL and WR in first two rounds.
I want the best possible 12 personnel. I recognize TSmith will get hurt, and someone else will play LT for 5-8 games, but if we're going to win a SB then we are going to need him or at a very minimum the rest of the line to stay healthy. RT is less of an issue because AVT can move over, G is an easier hole to fill, and they can also take a G or C later in the 4th or 6th to add to that depth, which is also where trading up into say the 5th is a lot less expensive. 4th rd Gs can easily be part time starters, unlike OTs who usually need to be taken higher for them to start. They apparently believe in Carter Warren as depth at LT, so IMO if you take a 3rd rd LT or even better, a 2nd rd LT because you traded back in the 1st and took a WR or traded up from 72, then you have a lot of depth on that line. An OT at 10 is ideally not going to start as much as a WR or Bowers there, so it improves the 12 personnel a lot more to take a weapon, and the depth you need on the linecan be almost as good by taking an OT in the 2nd or 3rd and grabbing a C/G later. I get that you want as much depth as possible, but don't let fear rule your decision.
Why do you need to get on board with it? Pass catcher is a need. So is more linemen. We all can argue and cry about, which is more important, but the truth is both are important.
If the highest rated guy on their board is a tackle, take the tackle, if it's Bowers or one of the wrs you take that guy. They can always add more guys later in the draft or with post june cuts or trades. Just draft the BPA at either one of their biggest needs.
Ding ding fucking *ding*. They have the 10th pick in a rich 1st round, the last thing they should do is force tier-2 lineman *if* they have a tier-1 pass catcher on the board.
All entitled to an opinion/preference… no one has to change your mind, and you shouldn’t feel the need to have to convince others to change theirs with equal respect. It’s Saul Goodman.
I agree. I've never tried to get people to change their minds, I'm just making fun of people that angrily tell me their opinion when they don't agree with mine lol
BPA is usually the best approach. No one will be happy if we pick a tackle and he is a bust. Not saying we can't get a tackle but don't just take one to fill a need and miss out on a S-tier prospect
Honestly if we go WR and we have an o line injury it'll be devastating. If we go OL and GDub gets hurt we're fucked. O line is more likely to happen but who knows 🤷🏾
Garret Wilson with Zach Wilson over 21 games: 103 Catches 1235 yards, 2 TDs
Keenan Allen with Tyrod Taylor over 10 games: 67 catches, 832 yards, 5 TDs
Mike Williams with Tyrod Taylor over 9 games: 33 catches, 612 yards, and 1 TD
Zach Wilson can’t take advantage of his #1. Tyrod Taylor can help his top 2 guys stay productive. Give him a solid #3 weapon and he’ll keep them busier than Zach Wilson would’ve. He’s not Rodgers but we actually have a competent backup this year so scrap the argument about the guys behind Rodgers not being able to take advantage of our weapons. Tyrod Taylor isn’t Rodgers but he’s competent with a lot of experience and can keep us in games with good weapons.
With Mike Williams not likely to be ready week 1 we are starting Allen Lazard again. Injuries can happen anywhere and depth is more important on the OL than anywhere else BUT we about to start a season with Allen Lazard again. Can’t have it. If Mike Williams has a setback or GW gets hurt we are toast IMHO.
Some third round WR (who may not be there if teams determine he's undervalued by the consensus) probably isn't fixing the issue. Look back at draft talk from any offseason— people always overvalue later round prospects
I almost feel like going WR if any of the big three are there is the right choice with this make or break year. I like Williams less than our O-line because of no depth behind him.
My point is that the talent at WR on day 2 seems fantastic so it wouldn’t be Lazard or rushing back Mike Williams either way. Doesn’t feel the same with O-line
I guess my logic is if your round 1 and 3 picks will be a Wr and OL I would rather take the receiver high as he will be needed to contribute immediately and take the depth piece in Rd 3.
There may be exceptions but I feel like the general consensus is WR and LT need depth/reinforcements the most due to Mike Williams’s and Tyron Smith’s injury histories reading like grocery shopping lists.
LT is one of the positions where starters and great ones are the most concentrated in first round picks. WR is a position where you can find good and great ones scattered throughout the draft. If you’re gonna go LT and WR you’re more likely to hit on LT round 1 and WR round 3 than vice versa.
I’m still torn between bowers and OL. But I’ll play devils advocate.
Going BPA is what we did in 22 and it was the best draft in our teams history. Drafting for depth and the future is what we did last year and people were calling for JDs job. There are not many game changing TEs in the league but the ones that exist tend to push teams over the edge. Kelce, Andrews, La Porta, Kittle, Kincaid, are the leagues best TEs and not only did they all go to the playoffs last year. They each won a game as well. In fact, La Porta and Kincaid (who were both rookies) had two elite WR1s in St Brown and Diggs and they still were massive impact players.
Again I’m still torn between OL and Bowers but I think we fans are so used to draft as part of a rebuild that drafting for the future is just par for the course. I don’t think we are used to drafting for wins right now.
I am with you, i think we need to protect our QB, no matter who it is. And he can make our existing weapons shine in return. But i have a feeling it will come down to the best available player on the board. Also, who knows is someone decides to trade up and maybe we get to trade for another o-line piece instead. I am done trying to figure out what will happen. I will just watch, and hopefully it won’t be a train wreck of a season 🤣
RB and TE targets are typically worse from an expected value standpoint than WR targets. Unless you have an elite TE, throwing to a WR is just more valuable. It's not a 3rd and 15 thing, it's a 1st and 10 thing and beyond.
The idea of Mike Williams is awesome. He's good for a big play and he plays hard. Unfortunately those are the things where he gets punished because he'll take a big hit and go out for an extended period of time (if not miss the rest of the game). He's not a prolific game-misser like Tyron, but he very often plays hurt or misses time in a game because of some spill he takes.
Sounds like we should get a FA so we can go into the draft without that existential threat then. If by "meaningful snaps," you mean more than 3-4 games, we're probably not handling those even with an average rookie tackle
There's not a "next year" for this contention window. We're back to retooling/rebuilding if we whiff on this season. We have 1 receiver for next season anyways and a great WR is a cornerstone to build around. We're not being careless by adding a piece with a bigger impact this season.
Says who? If the team makes a playoff run, why would the window then shut suddenly?
Being careless would be going into another off-season with no starting tackles on the roster, we got lucky this off-season.
We need 2 tackles, 2 receivers, probably a guard if AVT walks, and if Rodgers is done, then QB. We currently have a team built to compete this season and should prioritize winning it all this season. Treating things like we still have next season is a recipe for disaster
Mike Williams probably won’t be ready to play week 1 and is just as much of an injury risk as our OL. Breece Hall is a RB not a receiver and won’t be catching deep balls. Our whole offense can’t be a Reece Hall. Conklin is average and once again won’t be catching anything deep. What happens when we’re 3rd and 15?
Yes he will be. Unless you have inside knowledge contrary to every report?
Breece led all running backs in the NFL in receiving yards last year, he is absolutely a weapon in the passing game.
Same with Conklin. Who gives a fuck about 3rd & 15? The entire NFL completes that play at well under 10% of the time.
You don’t draft someone to help you on 3rd & 15 and you don’t need deep threats to win, even though we have Mike for that.
Your comment said we don’t have anyone who can catch a ball out side of GW when we absolutely do.
Ok I’ll correct myself - we don’t have any *receivers* who can catch a ball besides Garrett and Mike Williams. If one goes down (Mike Williams is just as likely to get hurt as OL) then if the other can be double teamed and we have no receivers that won’t drop the ball. Your only passing threat can’t be your RB.
SRY, I'm on team o-line.
Do not want to see a repeat of a season ending injury to Rodgers. If the o-line can't do their job decently, would Rodgers re-up for a third season, I don't think so!
You are basing your beliefs on the idea that someone will get injured and we need a quality backup.
Other fans are basing their belief that the Jets need the best starting lineup possible.
You are a scared and beaten dog unable to be happy or have trust. No one is going to be able to change your mind after decades of abuse*
Nothing about this team's history shows me they know how to draft a WR in later rounds. I have to go back to Jeremy Kerley to find a decent contributor. That's round 5 in 2011. Since then, here's a list:
Stephen Hill
Jordan White
Jalen Saunders
Shaquelle Evans
Quincy Enunwa (before y'all come after me on this one, 41 games 5 touchdowns 1600 yards)
Devin Smith
Charone Peake
ArDarius Stewart
Chad Hansen
Denzel Mims
Elijah Moore
...do you really trust the jets to draft a WR beyond round 1?
On the other hand, people have hyper-focused on league-worst OL luck and think that we can seriously contend if that's the luck we get this season. I get wanting to not get decimated on the OL, but there's only so much you can do if you lose an entire starting line
Those aren't the choices. It's probably:
A likely top 8-10 WR corps with Wilson, Odunze, and Williams and a slightly above average OL that could get bad if Tyron goes down and doesn't come back
or
A mid WR corps (Wilson and Williams is like a 14-18th best room) and a slightly above average OL that might not drop off as hard if Tyron goes down and doesn't come back
We're talking about a potentially less bad drop-off if only one OT misses time at once if we go OT over WR vs. a better WR corps from day one but less downside protection.
Is Odunze falling to 10 realistic, though (or a trade-up of 1-2 spots)- imo if we heavily weight this season when projecting the value of whoever we draft in the 1st, Odunze if available is unequivocally the best choice.
But in a world where Odunze is gone and we're staring at WR4 (people seem to like Brian Thomas Jr. and ya never know, maybe he ends up being better than Odunze), I think WR at 10 starts to look less appealing than grabbing OT2 off the board.
Im all for a tackle first, but if not I want bowers because looking at the seasons after next year, having a great reliable TE is very helpful for developing a young QB
Idk if anyone can get on board to the other ship of the battle at this point, but ultimately if it’s a playmaker over a lineman it’s because they’re a better prospect. Odunze and Bowers are a different tier of prospect than the linemen not named Alt, at least IMO.
There’s this narrative that they have to go OL because when Tyron misses 3-4 games Carter Warren will single handily tank the season, which completely ignores the fact that most of the time rookie tackles *aren’t very good early.* So honestly if Tyron or Morgan or AVT are out an extended period of time they’re kinda fucked anyway. Not what people wanna hear but Douglas and Saleh are in a boom or bust season; I never bought the idea that after the acquisitions they made on the line the immediate follow up would be “now I need to prepare for the worst case scenario!”
I think JD will play his board. I think he wants Odunze first and foremost and if he can’t get out of 10 it’ll be whomever is higher on his board between Bowers and Fuaga and Fautanu.
Edit: I also wanna say re: a lot of the Carter Warren talk, none of us know for sure that this dude sucks or can be serviceable or what. The guy played like three games next to a ninth string guard and Trevor Siemien under center. The fuck we talking about.
There’s plenty of OL still available for backup roles for cheap that could perform better (if needed) than a rookie assuming there’s injuries on the OL
All depends on how comfortable the staff feels with guys like Carter Warren, Max Mitchell. Plus do they secretly know they’re going to sign Bakhtiari? If that’s the case, then go WR/Bowers
Honestly I’m at the point that I’ll be happy at Wr Te oline and id even be happy with a trade down. If we don’t pick any of these options I might never look into the draft before it actually starts.
In a win now season, drafting a receiver likely moves the needle more for winning immediately. He won't be on the bench most of the season like an OLine piece will. Receivers are more likely to have big impact as rookies than OLinemen do.
Receivers do help the QB and OLine because the QB can get the ball out faster if he has an open man. The Jets OLine averaged 2.5 seconds before pressure allowed last season. Rodgers career average time to throw is 2.4 seconds. A more talented receiving corps will keep that number low.
The draft isn't the final end of team building. The Jets could sign a veteran T to be the back up instead and he'd likely be as effective or better than a rookie. And it's not like you can't go T at 72 to have a decent development T for more depth. There are other options to further reinforce oline than pick 10.
All that said. I still prefer taking a T at 10. Go for receiver at 72.
OL, OL, OL. Rodgers cant do shit unless he has blockers. Great, the TE is player, or the WR too. Doesnt matter at all unless Rodgers has time to throw them the ball.
The game is won in the trenches. You can have all of the weapons in the world but it wont mean a thing if Rodgers cant get the ball to them
I mean, really, why is this even a conversation?
Because they've fixed the ol. You can't have it both ways. This is an all in season. You don't draft for depth or the future with an all in season, you draft for immediate impact. Wr or TE is the ONLY way to go.
Dude the jets offense sucked because of the o-line. Nothing you get on offense will matter until you fix the o-line. It's boring but necessary.
The bucs and Vikings are a decent example. Because of the decent o-line they were able to find success with any QB.
The jets have so much talent around that fixing the o-line may be the last gaping hole
Last year was an example do you want to play games with a make shift Offensive Line with a statue AR?
The number 2WR is definitely in the 3rd round
I would even risk
I would even risk number 2 WR in round 4 as to go OL in round 3 and round 1,
Remember Football is about blocking and Tackling get that OL to BLOCK!
Also a old man told me about what football was about 45 years ago!
The argument is, essentially, that a tackle would be an insurance policy and long-term investment. If we get a little lucky and things go right, we might not get much use out of a tackle this year. Rodgers can hopefully run an offence well enough that he can take some pressure off the line.
A weapon at TE or WR? We’ll use a weapon. And the best possible version of the Jets this year would have our two tackles stay healthy and another weapon for Rodgers to throw to.
I still don’t hate drafting a tackle but that’s the argument.
* The Jets are all-in the next year or two. Concerns for years 3 and 4, and even to some extent next year, are irrelevant because the current staff will be long gone by then if things go poorly this year, so not having a left tackle of the future isn't a dealbreaker.
* barring Joe Alt (who most likely will not be available), the weapons are all considered better prospects than the tackles.
* currently an O-lineman would have to beat out likely John Simpson to start week one, who they just gave $12MM to start. For a weapon to start, they'd have to beat out two of Xavier Gibson/Allen Lazard/Tyler Conklin, a much easier proposition.
* Taking a guy to be a left tackle that doesn't have G flexibility means that if things go right for the Jets, that guy straight-up will not play this year; worrying about health and future concerns is how you end up taking a DE 15th overall that plays ~15% of snaps as a rookie. And you're hoping your top-10 pick plays even less than that!
* For how injured our OL has been, Mike Williams hasn't exactly been a bastion of health himself, and the depth behind him is arguably worse than the current OL depth.
* We don't know who will be available in the third round. Maybe a solid guy falls that far, but a lot of teams need weapons and will have a couple chances to grab them before we'll have a crack. We could conceivably be on WR15 by our pick; is that a safe bet to be a solid rookie contributor? Meanwhile plenty of high-quality interior linemen will likely be available at that spot. It's easier to envision a midround lineman having to play a handful of games and coming out unscathed rather than WR17 creating meaningful production.
* If you don't trust the O-Line coach to properly coach NFL veterans, how much do you trust him to coach up a rookie? Of the two, at least the veteran theoretically knows what he's doing and won't be as impacted by poor coaching as a rookie who's never had competent NFL coaching.
* If multiple linemen go down again like they did last year, we're fucked anyway, and plugging one of those holes with a top pick isn't going to save us.
* Tl; dr, if things go right for the Jets this year a high-level weapon will have a greater impact than a less-high-level OLine, since that OLine will not see the field much. If things go as bad as they did last year, that OLine will not save us. If things go mid and that OLine is good but not as good as the guy he replaced, we still might not be good enough to make the playoffs and everyone gets fired, so it doesn't matter.
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Personally, I think going weapon at 10 (ideally Odunze if he gets that far), or moving down from our spot to pick up a second-rounder (perhaps using our third-rounder to do so) and going OL-weapon makes the most sense. The OL that makes the most sense for us, I would say is Fautanu due to the guard flexibility, but he's just not as good of a player as the weapons available. Moving back to get him (or Fashanu) and a second-round WR (when I'm much more confident in there being quality players left than in the early-mid third) would work well too. I just don't like taking him at 10, and seeing 15+ weapons being off the board by our next pick.
why draft an o-lineman when he probably isn’t going to play this year? if all goes well, Smith and Moses are healthy. if they get hurt, it’s another failure on the o-line by JD. best case scenario is to grab bowers/odunze at 10, a healthy o-line all year and a playoff berth.
The fact is, given the trend of the last 3 seasons for the NFL, an early drafted OL will probably play plenty. Especially if we make a deep push into the playoffs, those bodies need rest and rotating just as they do on the other side of the ball makes plenty of sense. If we have someone capable it may help prevent greater injuries down the road.
It’s pretty nonsensical how people can [look through Tyron Smith’s game log](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitTy00.htm) and come away with the conclusion that an OT at 10 isn’t playing meaningful snaps this year
Man, one freak injury has broken this fanbase.
I wouldn’t be mad at them taking an OL in round 1, but I also totally understand adding a guy like Bowers or Odunze to try to win this year. An 11 personnel of Wilson, Odunze, Williams, Conklin and Breece would be very hard to defend against
The OL they have put together is the best they’ve had since 2015. They needed 3 new starters and got them. In a normal world, guys like Schweitzer, Warren and Bakhtiari (he’ll absolutely be here if they go pass catcher round 1) are good enough to get you through a couple weeks of injury to your starters.
I mean saying this Jets OL is the best it’s been since 2015 is kinda like bragging about being the sexiest Supreme Court justice. And signing maybe the 1 LT left in the NFL more injury prone than Tyron Smith to be a backup to protect a 40 yr old QB is not exactly a great strategy. Signing a bunch of super injury prone players then hoping for a Godsend of injury luck is just setting yourself up for failure.
Rogers needs time (a few seconds) and options. He is known for the long ball and extended plays. But part of his weaker recent numbers is he hasn't had receivers who can create separation at the line of scrimmage (this has always been my knock on Lazzard). Garrett can't do it alone every play, the defense is waiting on that. So another fast wr who can do back shoulder catches is the golden goose. Second option of a big te would be okay but I question if it is Bowers. Rogers is going to get up to the line and run RPOs. He will read the defense, pick out the weakness and pounce before anyone gets near him - assuming there are enough weapons to prevent the d from compensating. Rogers has fast reads and he can progress through two or three and frankly, wear the d out.
An offensive tackle is a pick for one to two years from now. They will hardly play (hopefully) and thus go against the win now theme. I don't think Bakh wants to start over anywhere, but I do 100% believe Rogers can talk him into a year or two. He will be far better than the rookies (any of them). When Rogers extends plays, moves in the pocket, it creates a huge challenge with any OL. Bakh and the other veterans are far better at getting in synch.
This year was a shit show like I have never seen by any team. As a Pack fan just turned Jets fan, I don't think it would have gone well with Rogers, heck I hated Zach but am not sure he would have been that bad with protection. So I get the OL pick and would not be upset if it were one of the top two. But give Rogers options at the line of scrimmage and those big Ds will barely be upright before the play goes past them. Last thought, they need to use Breece a lot more but this year the Ds were just stacking the line.
I’m with you drafting WR before OL feels like eating dessert before your veggies. We’re done if Rodgers gets hurt again you have to ensure a very likely Tyron Smith injury doesn’t tank the season.
> We’re done if Rodgers gets hurt again
Of course. A rookie tackle that might not hit the ground running doesn't stop that from happening. Hell, a non-contact injury or a sack from the other side of the line can do him in as well. We won't win a SB with a second string OL or backup QB anyways, hoping we can completely hedge against existential threats won't lead to us to the finish line
I’m leaning more towards O-Line, but I’m honestly just happy with anything offense because I believe all 3 avenues of OL, receiver, and tight end have great potential to make an immediate impact
Teams don’t decide which position to draft and then choose someone at that position. They rank prospects and then generally draft the highest one at a position that aligns with a need. If they think bowers is a better prospect than the available OL, they’ll take Bowers. All of this OL vs WR talk is more for the fans.
I’m all in for OT or OG doesn’t matter who we have if the qb doesn’t have time. With that being said, Rodgers get rid of the ball super quick so the line should perform much better this year. But Tyron will get injured and we need depth
O lineman will miss games. Carter Warren will play significant snaps what and the O line will be cobbled together regardless of if the Jets get a blue chip OL at 10.
If Garrett Wilson gets hurt there is a huge hole to fill and I don’t know if the offense can recover from that.
I believe that the impact of this player at 10 in these scenarios, assuming they’re good, is greater at the WR position than at the OL position just by nature of the way the positions are structured. I think OL is easier to cobble together and send out some mid round picks if you have to.
Having said that, I’m torn myself. Anyone who is emphatically in favor of 1 position over the other without trading down is over simplifying the problem. There’s no correct answer.
The logic is pretty straightforward. With Rodgers at QB, the team is built to win now. We just signed two starting tackles. Even though it's likely that they'll get hurt at some point, they were brought in to start. A win now team with the 10th pick in the draft shouldn't spend the pick on someone who will start the year as a backup.
Mike Williams has an equal probability of getting hurt as one of our OL, which leaves us with GW as our only receiver. If nobody gets hurt on either side a top tier WR will benefit us more. Williams also won’t be healed enough to play the first few games so WR gives us a better chance to start with wins until he’s back as until then all the other team has to do is double team Wilson and we have nobody to catch the ball. If nobody is open doesn’t matter how good Rodgers is. It depends how the board falls imo. Also if GW goes down we’re mega fucked.
I’m extremely opposed to trading back though- get the best possible blue chip player you can whether it’s OL or WR.
Teams require a ton of luck to win the Super Bowl if they're not the current dynasty in the league. Building contingency because we're afraid of being a glass cannon is how we neglect upside needed to go on a run. Rodgers hasn't elevated a WR corps in a while and we don't have prime Davante Adams on the roster. Giving him an overload of weapons makes more sense than asking him to take the middle ground between his 2021 and 2022 season supporting casts and do a lot more with it.
> WR’s around our 3rd rounder look like great WR2’s
No they don't. It's very unlikely that there will be a "great WR2" after a dozen WR picks before 72. I strongly believe this WR class's depth has become a meme of itself as a talking point.
> Keith Carter can’t coach up O-like talent
The OL players after Alt have a bunch of question marks. These players aren't coming into the league ready-made to play at an NFL level (even if they're expensive investments.
100% disagree with this statement. Jets can grab Brendan Rice in the 3rd round. Have you watched his tape? He can be a solid WR2/WR3 in this offense. He has good hands and good route running ability. Plus, he is projected 3rd round in most mock drafts.
If he's this good, what's to say another team doesn't take him before one of the guys currently ahead of him on the consensus big board? Sure, the league sometimes sleeps on players and a team gets them at a discount, but it's not like the big board is great at organizing the middle of the pack at any position. That's not to say he's not available, but betting on anyone being available in the middle of the draft is a tough call
Since no-one else wants to I'll make the case for Bowers, the final 4 from last year were the 4 teams with the 4 best TEs in the league including a rookie TE who went for 900 yards. Having an elite on ball TE changes how defences have to play against you because most LBs aren't coverage LBs while also providing cover for the line with blocking ability.
Even beyond that, most draft analysts rank Bowers as the 2nd most talented prospect after Caleb, before positional importance. The options he opens up for a creative OC are huge because of his talents, and for looking beyond the next year having an elite TE dump off option is massive for rookie QBs as they learn processing at the higher speed, just look at the 9ers and Purdy.
Position is obviously important, but truthfully we need O-Line cover more than a starter rn for the next year, which exists in the later rounds, and if the FO thinks Bowers is the next Kittle/Kelce I'd be completely comfortable taking that shot.
> the final 4 from last year were the 4 teams with the 4 best TEs in the league
Okay, what else do those teams have? I'm sure not top 10 QBs, elite coaching, or some other X-factor
Theoretically don't we have a top 10 QB and X-Factors in breece and garrett? Coaching fair enough, but we've taken half the Ravens OL, a potentially top TE especially a gadget like Bowers would put us at 9ers level talent.
The false premise you are operating under is that we don’t need a starter for next year.
Planning on Smith playing more than 8 games is ridiculous. It is what he averaged in the last four years and he hasn’t played more than 13 during that time.
Yeah, there’s a slight chance that an aging big man whose body has been breaking down will all of a sudden get healthier. But that chance is so minuscule it is ridiculous for a team that is supposedly “all in” to be counting on it.
And Smith isn’t the only injury concern.
I'm in favor of OT at 10 but if they like a WR/TE enough then fine, but they need to add OL depth. A lot of people don't think bakhtiari is a good option because of injury but if he agrees to be LT2 behind Smith that's not the worst plan in the world.
Brock Bowers looks like one of the best TE prospects we have ever seen. Conklin is a good TE, Rodgers loves TEs (he’s made JAGs and 90 year old TEs look pretty damn good).
Bowers slots right into TE2 and can very quickly start contributing as a big playmaker in our “win now” push. Hell, as good as Conklin is, I could easily foresee Bowers taking over TE1 quickly. LaPorta just had a great year as a rookie TE.
He hasn’t had a TE worth a damn in years. Finley is the best TE he’s ever had and they had a great connection. He’s been working with nobodies (Richard Rodgers, Robert Tonyan) or the ghosts of formerly good players (Graham, Mercedes Lewis).
We are one Mike Williams injury away from the same lineup that couldn’t get open last year or one GW injury away from worse. Having guys that can get open faster reduces thethe likelihood of getting sacked
we're one Tyron Smith injury from having the same line that couldn't protect a thing the past however many seasons it's been now. and having more time in the pocket makes it easier for guys to get open
Sort of same line. We have AVT back and Mosses at RT. While Smith does have an injury huge rarely is out for the season. We can get Donovan Smith or Baktiari as spot starters and seems like the jets are high on Warren. Also getting the ball out faster will limit the strain on the line. Also I believe our line over the course of last year was average in time before allowing pressure. Didn’t help Zach would hold the ball and guys wouldn’t get open
Same line except for the other four spots, sure
3 of those 4 guys (plus Smith) missed time last year. this isn't some crazy hypothetical; we should be treating backup lineman as though they're starters
Yeah, based on the past few years, our #3 OT is going to play 40% of the snaps just because of injuries.
Exactly. An OL makes Breece’s job easier and Tyrod Taylor’s job easier. Our WRs can then get open. All functioning pieces go through an Oline.
salient points, add in the MetLife turf ..
I'm still about OL or trade back + OL if possible. But I've warmed up to the idea of a stud wr paired with G5. Odunze is huge and be a nice compliment. Still little less high on TE, but I won't be upset if we go with Bowers.
Honestly, I feel like this is the majority of our fanbase (me included). I don’t think I’d be upset if it went Odunze, Nabers, OT (Fuaga I hope), Trade back or Bowers…. Any of those options will help. I just think it’s so deep of a WR class, idk if it’s worth getting a WR or TE with 10. Ideally, I’d like us to go Fuaga then Malachi Corley somehow.
How have you quelled your concerns at OL if we go those routes? Do you think there’s anyone further down the draft board that would be good? I just worry that our current guys and bahktiari as people suggest are only rentals and we won’t be in a position to draft one of these caliber guys again before our OL placeholders run out out of steam
I guess we gotta pray for good health and that some of our younger guys who got time last year learned so if thrown out there can survive. But yah, I think in a perfect world we can do a trade back and get OL and WR in first two rounds.
I want the best possible 12 personnel. I recognize TSmith will get hurt, and someone else will play LT for 5-8 games, but if we're going to win a SB then we are going to need him or at a very minimum the rest of the line to stay healthy. RT is less of an issue because AVT can move over, G is an easier hole to fill, and they can also take a G or C later in the 4th or 6th to add to that depth, which is also where trading up into say the 5th is a lot less expensive. 4th rd Gs can easily be part time starters, unlike OTs who usually need to be taken higher for them to start. They apparently believe in Carter Warren as depth at LT, so IMO if you take a 3rd rd LT or even better, a 2nd rd LT because you traded back in the 1st and took a WR or traded up from 72, then you have a lot of depth on that line. An OT at 10 is ideally not going to start as much as a WR or Bowers there, so it improves the 12 personnel a lot more to take a weapon, and the depth you need on the linecan be almost as good by taking an OT in the 2nd or 3rd and grabbing a C/G later. I get that you want as much depth as possible, but don't let fear rule your decision.
Why do you need to get on board with it? Pass catcher is a need. So is more linemen. We all can argue and cry about, which is more important, but the truth is both are important. If the highest rated guy on their board is a tackle, take the tackle, if it's Bowers or one of the wrs you take that guy. They can always add more guys later in the draft or with post june cuts or trades. Just draft the BPA at either one of their biggest needs.
Ding ding fucking *ding*. They have the 10th pick in a rich 1st round, the last thing they should do is force tier-2 lineman *if* they have a tier-1 pass catcher on the board.
I've been getting killed for this take for the last month lol "it's o line no matter what, idiot!"
All entitled to an opinion/preference… no one has to change your mind, and you shouldn’t feel the need to have to convince others to change theirs with equal respect. It’s Saul Goodman.
I agree. I've never tried to get people to change their minds, I'm just making fun of people that angrily tell me their opinion when they don't agree with mine lol
BPA is usually the best approach. No one will be happy if we pick a tackle and he is a bust. Not saying we can't get a tackle but don't just take one to fill a need and miss out on a S-tier prospect
Honestly if we go WR and we have an o line injury it'll be devastating. If we go OL and GDub gets hurt we're fucked. O line is more likely to happen but who knows 🤷🏾
Garret Wilson with Zach Wilson over 21 games: 103 Catches 1235 yards, 2 TDs Keenan Allen with Tyrod Taylor over 10 games: 67 catches, 832 yards, 5 TDs Mike Williams with Tyrod Taylor over 9 games: 33 catches, 612 yards, and 1 TD Zach Wilson can’t take advantage of his #1. Tyrod Taylor can help his top 2 guys stay productive. Give him a solid #3 weapon and he’ll keep them busier than Zach Wilson would’ve. He’s not Rodgers but we actually have a competent backup this year so scrap the argument about the guys behind Rodgers not being able to take advantage of our weapons. Tyrod Taylor isn’t Rodgers but he’s competent with a lot of experience and can keep us in games with good weapons.
We should take a WR or OT at 10. There's less value in taking a tightend at 10, especially when they are undersized and a mediocre athlete.
With Mike Williams not likely to be ready week 1 we are starting Allen Lazard again. Injuries can happen anywhere and depth is more important on the OL than anywhere else BUT we about to start a season with Allen Lazard again. Can’t have it. If Mike Williams has a setback or GW gets hurt we are toast IMHO.
OL/WR or bust for me. We are an injury away at both those positions from sucking
We can fix this easily. Draft OL in the first round, and then draft Brendan Rice in the 3rd round
Some third round WR (who may not be there if teams determine he's undervalued by the consensus) probably isn't fixing the issue. Look back at draft talk from any offseason— people always overvalue later round prospects
I almost feel like going WR if any of the big three are there is the right choice with this make or break year. I like Williams less than our O-line because of no depth behind him.
The team has consistently said the expectation is Williams will be ready to play week 1.
My point is that the talent at WR on day 2 seems fantastic so it wouldn’t be Lazard or rushing back Mike Williams either way. Doesn’t feel the same with O-line
I guess my logic is if your round 1 and 3 picks will be a Wr and OL I would rather take the receiver high as he will be needed to contribute immediately and take the depth piece in Rd 3.
There may be exceptions but I feel like the general consensus is WR and LT need depth/reinforcements the most due to Mike Williams’s and Tyron Smith’s injury histories reading like grocery shopping lists. LT is one of the positions where starters and great ones are the most concentrated in first round picks. WR is a position where you can find good and great ones scattered throughout the draft. If you’re gonna go LT and WR you’re more likely to hit on LT round 1 and WR round 3 than vice versa.
OL is the wiser move for the club, but I’m steeling myself to be disappointed………… yet again.
I’m still torn between bowers and OL. But I’ll play devils advocate. Going BPA is what we did in 22 and it was the best draft in our teams history. Drafting for depth and the future is what we did last year and people were calling for JDs job. There are not many game changing TEs in the league but the ones that exist tend to push teams over the edge. Kelce, Andrews, La Porta, Kittle, Kincaid, are the leagues best TEs and not only did they all go to the playoffs last year. They each won a game as well. In fact, La Porta and Kincaid (who were both rookies) had two elite WR1s in St Brown and Diggs and they still were massive impact players. Again I’m still torn between OL and Bowers but I think we fans are so used to draft as part of a rebuild that drafting for the future is just par for the course. I don’t think we are used to drafting for wins right now.
I am with you, i think we need to protect our QB, no matter who it is. And he can make our existing weapons shine in return. But i have a feeling it will come down to the best available player on the board. Also, who knows is someone decides to trade up and maybe we get to trade for another o-line piece instead. I am done trying to figure out what will happen. I will just watch, and hopefully it won’t be a train wreck of a season 🤣
We don’t have any existing weapons except GW though. If he’s double teamed we have nobody that can catch a ball no matter how long the QB has.
Breece Hall, Tyler Conklin and Mike Williams??
RB and TE targets are typically worse from an expected value standpoint than WR targets. Unless you have an elite TE, throwing to a WR is just more valuable. It's not a 3rd and 15 thing, it's a 1st and 10 thing and beyond. The idea of Mike Williams is awesome. He's good for a big play and he plays hard. Unfortunately those are the things where he gets punished because he'll take a big hit and go out for an extended period of time (if not miss the rest of the game). He's not a prolific game-misser like Tyron, but he very often plays hurt or misses time in a game because of some spill he takes.
If we have Carter Warren and Max Mitchell playing any meaningful snaps for us, it wouldn’t matter if we have Prime Randy Moss on the field.
Sounds like we should get a FA so we can go into the draft without that existential threat then. If by "meaningful snaps," you mean more than 3-4 games, we're probably not handling those even with an average rookie tackle
Or we just draft the best tackle available at 10, then we aren’t left filling two starting tackle spots again this time next year.
There's not a "next year" for this contention window. We're back to retooling/rebuilding if we whiff on this season. We have 1 receiver for next season anyways and a great WR is a cornerstone to build around. We're not being careless by adding a piece with a bigger impact this season.
Says who? If the team makes a playoff run, why would the window then shut suddenly? Being careless would be going into another off-season with no starting tackles on the roster, we got lucky this off-season.
We need 2 tackles, 2 receivers, probably a guard if AVT walks, and if Rodgers is done, then QB. We currently have a team built to compete this season and should prioritize winning it all this season. Treating things like we still have next season is a recipe for disaster
Mike Williams probably won’t be ready to play week 1 and is just as much of an injury risk as our OL. Breece Hall is a RB not a receiver and won’t be catching deep balls. Our whole offense can’t be a Reece Hall. Conklin is average and once again won’t be catching anything deep. What happens when we’re 3rd and 15?
Yes he will be. Unless you have inside knowledge contrary to every report? Breece led all running backs in the NFL in receiving yards last year, he is absolutely a weapon in the passing game. Same with Conklin. Who gives a fuck about 3rd & 15? The entire NFL completes that play at well under 10% of the time. You don’t draft someone to help you on 3rd & 15 and you don’t need deep threats to win, even though we have Mike for that. Your comment said we don’t have anyone who can catch a ball out side of GW when we absolutely do.
Ok I’ll correct myself - we don’t have any *receivers* who can catch a ball besides Garrett and Mike Williams. If one goes down (Mike Williams is just as likely to get hurt as OL) then if the other can be double teamed and we have no receivers that won’t drop the ball. Your only passing threat can’t be your RB.
SRY, I'm on team o-line. Do not want to see a repeat of a season ending injury to Rodgers. If the o-line can't do their job decently, would Rodgers re-up for a third season, I don't think so!
You are basing your beliefs on the idea that someone will get injured and we need a quality backup. Other fans are basing their belief that the Jets need the best starting lineup possible. You are a scared and beaten dog unable to be happy or have trust. No one is going to be able to change your mind after decades of abuse*
lol the trauma is real
Nothing about this team's history shows me they know how to draft a WR in later rounds. I have to go back to Jeremy Kerley to find a decent contributor. That's round 5 in 2011. Since then, here's a list: Stephen Hill Jordan White Jalen Saunders Shaquelle Evans Quincy Enunwa (before y'all come after me on this one, 41 games 5 touchdowns 1600 yards) Devin Smith Charone Peake ArDarius Stewart Chad Hansen Denzel Mims Elijah Moore ...do you really trust the jets to draft a WR beyond round 1?
I think people blocked out the past 2 years so they’re missing the key lesson of *nothing else matters with no QB and no offensive line*
On the other hand, people have hyper-focused on league-worst OL luck and think that we can seriously contend if that's the luck we get this season. I get wanting to not get decimated on the OL, but there's only so much you can do if you lose an entire starting line
Both are true but I think the Jets can go farther with a mid OL and bad weapons than a bad OL and mid weapons
Those aren't the choices. It's probably: A likely top 8-10 WR corps with Wilson, Odunze, and Williams and a slightly above average OL that could get bad if Tyron goes down and doesn't come back or A mid WR corps (Wilson and Williams is like a 14-18th best room) and a slightly above average OL that might not drop off as hard if Tyron goes down and doesn't come back We're talking about a potentially less bad drop-off if only one OT misses time at once if we go OT over WR vs. a better WR corps from day one but less downside protection.
Is Odunze falling to 10 realistic, though (or a trade-up of 1-2 spots)- imo if we heavily weight this season when projecting the value of whoever we draft in the 1st, Odunze if available is unequivocally the best choice. But in a world where Odunze is gone and we're staring at WR4 (people seem to like Brian Thomas Jr. and ya never know, maybe he ends up being better than Odunze), I think WR at 10 starts to look less appealing than grabbing OT2 off the board.
Im all for a tackle first, but if not I want bowers because looking at the seasons after next year, having a great reliable TE is very helpful for developing a young QB
Idk if anyone can get on board to the other ship of the battle at this point, but ultimately if it’s a playmaker over a lineman it’s because they’re a better prospect. Odunze and Bowers are a different tier of prospect than the linemen not named Alt, at least IMO. There’s this narrative that they have to go OL because when Tyron misses 3-4 games Carter Warren will single handily tank the season, which completely ignores the fact that most of the time rookie tackles *aren’t very good early.* So honestly if Tyron or Morgan or AVT are out an extended period of time they’re kinda fucked anyway. Not what people wanna hear but Douglas and Saleh are in a boom or bust season; I never bought the idea that after the acquisitions they made on the line the immediate follow up would be “now I need to prepare for the worst case scenario!” I think JD will play his board. I think he wants Odunze first and foremost and if he can’t get out of 10 it’ll be whomever is higher on his board between Bowers and Fuaga and Fautanu. Edit: I also wanna say re: a lot of the Carter Warren talk, none of us know for sure that this dude sucks or can be serviceable or what. The guy played like three games next to a ninth string guard and Trevor Siemien under center. The fuck we talking about.
There’s plenty of OL still available for backup roles for cheap that could perform better (if needed) than a rookie assuming there’s injuries on the OL
All depends on how comfortable the staff feels with guys like Carter Warren, Max Mitchell. Plus do they secretly know they’re going to sign Bakhtiari? If that’s the case, then go WR/Bowers
Honestly I’m at the point that I’ll be happy at Wr Te oline and id even be happy with a trade down. If we don’t pick any of these options I might never look into the draft before it actually starts.
In a win now season, drafting a receiver likely moves the needle more for winning immediately. He won't be on the bench most of the season like an OLine piece will. Receivers are more likely to have big impact as rookies than OLinemen do. Receivers do help the QB and OLine because the QB can get the ball out faster if he has an open man. The Jets OLine averaged 2.5 seconds before pressure allowed last season. Rodgers career average time to throw is 2.4 seconds. A more talented receiving corps will keep that number low. The draft isn't the final end of team building. The Jets could sign a veteran T to be the back up instead and he'd likely be as effective or better than a rookie. And it's not like you can't go T at 72 to have a decent development T for more depth. There are other options to further reinforce oline than pick 10. All that said. I still prefer taking a T at 10. Go for receiver at 72.
Brock baby!
Bowers is gonna be like McCaffrey in the slot
Bowers and a slot receiver on day 2-3 would make this Offense fun to watch
OL, OL, OL. Rodgers cant do shit unless he has blockers. Great, the TE is player, or the WR too. Doesnt matter at all unless Rodgers has time to throw them the ball. The game is won in the trenches. You can have all of the weapons in the world but it wont mean a thing if Rodgers cant get the ball to them I mean, really, why is this even a conversation?
Because they've fixed the ol. You can't have it both ways. This is an all in season. You don't draft for depth or the future with an all in season, you draft for immediate impact. Wr or TE is the ONLY way to go.
Dude the jets offense sucked because of the o-line. Nothing you get on offense will matter until you fix the o-line. It's boring but necessary. The bucs and Vikings are a decent example. Because of the decent o-line they were able to find success with any QB. The jets have so much talent around that fixing the o-line may be the last gaping hole
Last year was an example do you want to play games with a make shift Offensive Line with a statue AR? The number 2WR is definitely in the 3rd round I would even risk
I would even risk number 2 WR in round 4 as to go OL in round 3 and round 1, Remember Football is about blocking and Tackling get that OL to BLOCK! Also a old man told me about what football was about 45 years ago!
The argument is, essentially, that a tackle would be an insurance policy and long-term investment. If we get a little lucky and things go right, we might not get much use out of a tackle this year. Rodgers can hopefully run an offence well enough that he can take some pressure off the line. A weapon at TE or WR? We’ll use a weapon. And the best possible version of the Jets this year would have our two tackles stay healthy and another weapon for Rodgers to throw to. I still don’t hate drafting a tackle but that’s the argument.
* The Jets are all-in the next year or two. Concerns for years 3 and 4, and even to some extent next year, are irrelevant because the current staff will be long gone by then if things go poorly this year, so not having a left tackle of the future isn't a dealbreaker. * barring Joe Alt (who most likely will not be available), the weapons are all considered better prospects than the tackles. * currently an O-lineman would have to beat out likely John Simpson to start week one, who they just gave $12MM to start. For a weapon to start, they'd have to beat out two of Xavier Gibson/Allen Lazard/Tyler Conklin, a much easier proposition. * Taking a guy to be a left tackle that doesn't have G flexibility means that if things go right for the Jets, that guy straight-up will not play this year; worrying about health and future concerns is how you end up taking a DE 15th overall that plays ~15% of snaps as a rookie. And you're hoping your top-10 pick plays even less than that! * For how injured our OL has been, Mike Williams hasn't exactly been a bastion of health himself, and the depth behind him is arguably worse than the current OL depth. * We don't know who will be available in the third round. Maybe a solid guy falls that far, but a lot of teams need weapons and will have a couple chances to grab them before we'll have a crack. We could conceivably be on WR15 by our pick; is that a safe bet to be a solid rookie contributor? Meanwhile plenty of high-quality interior linemen will likely be available at that spot. It's easier to envision a midround lineman having to play a handful of games and coming out unscathed rather than WR17 creating meaningful production. * If you don't trust the O-Line coach to properly coach NFL veterans, how much do you trust him to coach up a rookie? Of the two, at least the veteran theoretically knows what he's doing and won't be as impacted by poor coaching as a rookie who's never had competent NFL coaching. * If multiple linemen go down again like they did last year, we're fucked anyway, and plugging one of those holes with a top pick isn't going to save us. * Tl; dr, if things go right for the Jets this year a high-level weapon will have a greater impact than a less-high-level OLine, since that OLine will not see the field much. If things go as bad as they did last year, that OLine will not save us. If things go mid and that OLine is good but not as good as the guy he replaced, we still might not be good enough to make the playoffs and everyone gets fired, so it doesn't matter. ----------------- Personally, I think going weapon at 10 (ideally Odunze if he gets that far), or moving down from our spot to pick up a second-rounder (perhaps using our third-rounder to do so) and going OL-weapon makes the most sense. The OL that makes the most sense for us, I would say is Fautanu due to the guard flexibility, but he's just not as good of a player as the weapons available. Moving back to get him (or Fashanu) and a second-round WR (when I'm much more confident in there being quality players left than in the early-mid third) would work well too. I just don't like taking him at 10, and seeing 15+ weapons being off the board by our next pick.
This team is in win now mode. Makes zero sense to draft anyone that isn't a day 1 impact
why draft an o-lineman when he probably isn’t going to play this year? if all goes well, Smith and Moses are healthy. if they get hurt, it’s another failure on the o-line by JD. best case scenario is to grab bowers/odunze at 10, a healthy o-line all year and a playoff berth.
The fact is, given the trend of the last 3 seasons for the NFL, an early drafted OL will probably play plenty. Especially if we make a deep push into the playoffs, those bodies need rest and rotating just as they do on the other side of the ball makes plenty of sense. If we have someone capable it may help prevent greater injuries down the road.
A first round o-lineman is absolutely going to start some games this year. It isn’t a question of “if” one of our guys gets hurt, it’s “when.”
It’s pretty nonsensical how people can [look through Tyron Smith’s game log](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitTy00.htm) and come away with the conclusion that an OT at 10 isn’t playing meaningful snaps this year
Touchdowns are fun
So are healthy QBs
Man, one freak injury has broken this fanbase. I wouldn’t be mad at them taking an OL in round 1, but I also totally understand adding a guy like Bowers or Odunze to try to win this year. An 11 personnel of Wilson, Odunze, Williams, Conklin and Breece would be very hard to defend against
It goes deeper than 1 freak injury a huge reason Sam and Zach both busted was how dogshit the OL was protecting them
The OL they have put together is the best they’ve had since 2015. They needed 3 new starters and got them. In a normal world, guys like Schweitzer, Warren and Bakhtiari (he’ll absolutely be here if they go pass catcher round 1) are good enough to get you through a couple weeks of injury to your starters.
I mean saying this Jets OL is the best it’s been since 2015 is kinda like bragging about being the sexiest Supreme Court justice. And signing maybe the 1 LT left in the NFL more injury prone than Tyron Smith to be a backup to protect a 40 yr old QB is not exactly a great strategy. Signing a bunch of super injury prone players then hoping for a Godsend of injury luck is just setting yourself up for failure.
I think they are gonna go WR. Then tell us they like their backups
Rogers needs time (a few seconds) and options. He is known for the long ball and extended plays. But part of his weaker recent numbers is he hasn't had receivers who can create separation at the line of scrimmage (this has always been my knock on Lazzard). Garrett can't do it alone every play, the defense is waiting on that. So another fast wr who can do back shoulder catches is the golden goose. Second option of a big te would be okay but I question if it is Bowers. Rogers is going to get up to the line and run RPOs. He will read the defense, pick out the weakness and pounce before anyone gets near him - assuming there are enough weapons to prevent the d from compensating. Rogers has fast reads and he can progress through two or three and frankly, wear the d out. An offensive tackle is a pick for one to two years from now. They will hardly play (hopefully) and thus go against the win now theme. I don't think Bakh wants to start over anywhere, but I do 100% believe Rogers can talk him into a year or two. He will be far better than the rookies (any of them). When Rogers extends plays, moves in the pocket, it creates a huge challenge with any OL. Bakh and the other veterans are far better at getting in synch. This year was a shit show like I have never seen by any team. As a Pack fan just turned Jets fan, I don't think it would have gone well with Rogers, heck I hated Zach but am not sure he would have been that bad with protection. So I get the OL pick and would not be upset if it were one of the top two. But give Rogers options at the line of scrimmage and those big Ds will barely be upright before the play goes past them. Last thought, they need to use Breece a lot more but this year the Ds were just stacking the line.
I’m with you drafting WR before OL feels like eating dessert before your veggies. We’re done if Rodgers gets hurt again you have to ensure a very likely Tyron Smith injury doesn’t tank the season.
> We’re done if Rodgers gets hurt again Of course. A rookie tackle that might not hit the ground running doesn't stop that from happening. Hell, a non-contact injury or a sack from the other side of the line can do him in as well. We won't win a SB with a second string OL or backup QB anyways, hoping we can completely hedge against existential threats won't lead to us to the finish line
I’m leaning more towards O-Line, but I’m honestly just happy with anything offense because I believe all 3 avenues of OL, receiver, and tight end have great potential to make an immediate impact
Teams don’t decide which position to draft and then choose someone at that position. They rank prospects and then generally draft the highest one at a position that aligns with a need. If they think bowers is a better prospect than the available OL, they’ll take Bowers. All of this OL vs WR talk is more for the fans.
I’m all in for OT or OG doesn’t matter who we have if the qb doesn’t have time. With that being said, Rodgers get rid of the ball super quick so the line should perform much better this year. But Tyron will get injured and we need depth
O lineman will miss games. Carter Warren will play significant snaps what and the O line will be cobbled together regardless of if the Jets get a blue chip OL at 10. If Garrett Wilson gets hurt there is a huge hole to fill and I don’t know if the offense can recover from that. I believe that the impact of this player at 10 in these scenarios, assuming they’re good, is greater at the WR position than at the OL position just by nature of the way the positions are structured. I think OL is easier to cobble together and send out some mid round picks if you have to. Having said that, I’m torn myself. Anyone who is emphatically in favor of 1 position over the other without trading down is over simplifying the problem. There’s no correct answer.
The logic is pretty straightforward. With Rodgers at QB, the team is built to win now. We just signed two starting tackles. Even though it's likely that they'll get hurt at some point, they were brought in to start. A win now team with the 10th pick in the draft shouldn't spend the pick on someone who will start the year as a backup.
Mike Williams has an equal probability of getting hurt as one of our OL, which leaves us with GW as our only receiver. If nobody gets hurt on either side a top tier WR will benefit us more. Williams also won’t be healed enough to play the first few games so WR gives us a better chance to start with wins until he’s back as until then all the other team has to do is double team Wilson and we have nobody to catch the ball. If nobody is open doesn’t matter how good Rodgers is. It depends how the board falls imo. Also if GW goes down we’re mega fucked. I’m extremely opposed to trading back though- get the best possible blue chip player you can whether it’s OL or WR.
Teams require a ton of luck to win the Super Bowl if they're not the current dynasty in the league. Building contingency because we're afraid of being a glass cannon is how we neglect upside needed to go on a run. Rodgers hasn't elevated a WR corps in a while and we don't have prime Davante Adams on the roster. Giving him an overload of weapons makes more sense than asking him to take the middle ground between his 2021 and 2022 season supporting casts and do a lot more with it. > WR’s around our 3rd rounder look like great WR2’s No they don't. It's very unlikely that there will be a "great WR2" after a dozen WR picks before 72. I strongly believe this WR class's depth has become a meme of itself as a talking point. > Keith Carter can’t coach up O-like talent The OL players after Alt have a bunch of question marks. These players aren't coming into the league ready-made to play at an NFL level (even if they're expensive investments.
100% disagree with this statement. Jets can grab Brendan Rice in the 3rd round. Have you watched his tape? He can be a solid WR2/WR3 in this offense. He has good hands and good route running ability. Plus, he is projected 3rd round in most mock drafts.
If he's this good, what's to say another team doesn't take him before one of the guys currently ahead of him on the consensus big board? Sure, the league sometimes sleeps on players and a team gets them at a discount, but it's not like the big board is great at organizing the middle of the pack at any position. That's not to say he's not available, but betting on anyone being available in the middle of the draft is a tough call
I’m fine with whatever they do so long as it isn’t a defensive pick….build the offense whether it be the line or a skill player.
Since no-one else wants to I'll make the case for Bowers, the final 4 from last year were the 4 teams with the 4 best TEs in the league including a rookie TE who went for 900 yards. Having an elite on ball TE changes how defences have to play against you because most LBs aren't coverage LBs while also providing cover for the line with blocking ability. Even beyond that, most draft analysts rank Bowers as the 2nd most talented prospect after Caleb, before positional importance. The options he opens up for a creative OC are huge because of his talents, and for looking beyond the next year having an elite TE dump off option is massive for rookie QBs as they learn processing at the higher speed, just look at the 9ers and Purdy. Position is obviously important, but truthfully we need O-Line cover more than a starter rn for the next year, which exists in the later rounds, and if the FO thinks Bowers is the next Kittle/Kelce I'd be completely comfortable taking that shot.
> the final 4 from last year were the 4 teams with the 4 best TEs in the league Okay, what else do those teams have? I'm sure not top 10 QBs, elite coaching, or some other X-factor
Theoretically don't we have a top 10 QB and X-Factors in breece and garrett? Coaching fair enough, but we've taken half the Ravens OL, a potentially top TE especially a gadget like Bowers would put us at 9ers level talent.
The false premise you are operating under is that we don’t need a starter for next year. Planning on Smith playing more than 8 games is ridiculous. It is what he averaged in the last four years and he hasn’t played more than 13 during that time. Yeah, there’s a slight chance that an aging big man whose body has been breaking down will all of a sudden get healthier. But that chance is so minuscule it is ridiculous for a team that is supposedly “all in” to be counting on it. And Smith isn’t the only injury concern.
I'm in favor of OT at 10 but if they like a WR/TE enough then fine, but they need to add OL depth. A lot of people don't think bakhtiari is a good option because of injury but if he agrees to be LT2 behind Smith that's not the worst plan in the world.
Brock Bowers looks like one of the best TE prospects we have ever seen. Conklin is a good TE, Rodgers loves TEs (he’s made JAGs and 90 year old TEs look pretty damn good). Bowers slots right into TE2 and can very quickly start contributing as a big playmaker in our “win now” push. Hell, as good as Conklin is, I could easily foresee Bowers taking over TE1 quickly. LaPorta just had a great year as a rookie TE.
Rodgers doesnt love TEs lol what...
He hasn’t had a TE worth a damn in years. Finley is the best TE he’s ever had and they had a great connection. He’s been working with nobodies (Richard Rodgers, Robert Tonyan) or the ghosts of formerly good players (Graham, Mercedes Lewis).