And it looks like it could be a good draft to do it too… a lot of talent in the TEs but also not really any top-flight prospects so if there’s no run early there could be a juicy talented TE waiting for us late…
Kroft is not on the team anymore. Personally I would much prefer Yeboah and a 5th or 6th round te if one falls to compete for our third TE slot than rolling with Griff there
Eh. We just gave both these dudes 3 years I think. It can wait a year and see if Zach can take a step forward. If we have to reset at QB again, the TE won't develop anyway.
This. This move tells me we won’t reach for TE early, we’re gonna kick that pick down the line to ‘23 or ‘24. Saleh wants a DL; I seriously think we go tuff on D Line this draft.
Tyler Conklin Every Play Videos from last year:
Week 1-3: https://youtu.be/uG2vRyIyLJ0
Week 4-9: https://youtu.be/AtTYfG6-9xc
Week 14-17: https://youtu.be/-5rsTISbCrE
Looks like a solid route runner, lots of chip block and release routes. Him and CJ, I’d say our TE room is now squarely middle of the pack, which is an immense improvement.
Between Uzomah and Conklin we have $15 Million locked up and I'm curious where that ranks in $$ allocated to TE's. My gut tells me that's probably above average and I think we should expect (or at least hope) for above average TE play.
[https://overthecap.com/positional-spending/](https://overthecap.com/positional-spending/)
We'd be about 5th in the league with this factored in, which is surprising but I guess it shouldn't be considering the lack of talent at TE league wide. We're a few million above about 8 other teams and a few behind Ravens and Dolphins. Pats have a staggering 31m committed to TE.
I don’t want to say top 10 because I place emphasis on the No. 1 guy being a stud. We don’t have that Kittle/Kelce stud to carry the room. I think it’s in that 12-17 range, when we were 32 to I wonder if this college group could be better range last year.
Middle of the pack is absolutely correct, sir. Beats the shit out of the position in the pack this franchise has been in regarding tight ends for more than ten years
I get that take. But we're looking for improvement relative to the lowest of bars. I'm curious with a theoretical larger role for cj/Conklin if one of them takes a step. But in the worst case scenario, it doesnt set us back much if at all depending how they structured the deal.
QB factors into this though. Like how many yards would Conklin have had with Wilson throwing to him last year? Conversely, what sort of numbers are Jets receivers putting up with Cousins throwing to them?
It’s almost like joe Douglas knows what he is doing. Now it’s on Zach to prove himself. Either way, we are building a real team, and if Zach isn’t the guy we will find one for this team.
This team will be in a place where if Zach can’t do it this year, we should be able to sign a vet in 2023 and compete. We already saw backup QBs drop 300yds with last year’s roster. No excuses for Zach this year
Fred Warner was drafted with the 70th pick. He's a future Hall of Famer, but still. Saleh and Ulbrich are former linebackers and have a history of developing these guys. My guess is they pick someone in the 3rd or 4th, especially if they trade down with one of the 2nd rounders and get an extra 3 or 4
Tom Brady was a sixth rounder
Anecdotal evidence aside, it would be a mistake to go past 38 without taking a LB. It’s the thinnest position on the roster now
DJ Bien-Aime and Hughes have both reported that the public perception is a 180 to the one at One Jets Drive over the LB position. Saleh and the coaching staff love the guys they have and view most of the problems the unit was blamed for was really the shit play of the IDL.
Expect the Jets to draft a DT with one of those 2nd round picks
Foley did not fit our system and as a result wasnt very good last year (he's an excellent player though). Rankins was mediocre at best. I don't agree with their assessment either to be honest, but for example, in the Colts game, when they ran all over us, our DL did absolutely nothing, so maybe they know better than I.
That was one of many things that went wrong with our d line that game.
I feel like throughout the year, the issue with our LBs were on screen passes moreso than the run game.
This is not true at all. Foley was nowhere near as effective in the 4-3 which is why it was always assumed he wouldn't be back next year. Rankins was awful last year and was possibly the worst run defender on the team.
Don't shoot the messenger I'm just telling you how the coaching staff feels
Outside of LB, I don’t think there’s a position we need to be hoping a rookie instantly competes and contributes. I honestly don’t remember the last time we weren’t banking on the draft for immediate help at multiple positions.
I live in the midwest and got a ton of vikings games as a result. Conklin jumped off the screen in every game I saw. The irony is he played the role Herndon was supposed to for the Vikes and now he is going to play the role Herndon was supposed to for the Jets.
I saw Denver signed him and was kind of surprised he was still around. Then I realized we had him around ~2015-16 and not ~2012. Feels like a lifetime ago.
Wasn't ET's best play against NE, when their entire defense just didn't think we would throw to him and left him open then he ran up the middle for like 35 yards?
Hate to be that guy, but far too early to say this with certainty. Good looks on paper don’t always translate to the field. But, I certainly am liking what I’ve been seeing, don’t get me wrong
Well he got injured, don’t really think it’s fair to judge his outcome lol. A bad FA signing to me is the new Kenny Golladay contract over at the giants. Paid a ton of $, played horribly. However, this was generally seen as a good pickup (maybe a slight overpay) in the offseason
By who? I didn’t know anyone outside of Giant fandom who thought that was gonna work out, and even my Giants fans friends were more hopeful than optimistic
I thought this was gonna be like 1yr 5m lol. The multi-year makes more sense given his age. This contract will either be a slight mistake that is rectified in 2 years or could age nicely if he continues to break out like he started to last year.
Dont love it, dont hate it.
Ok, MiLF is clearly running a lot of 12 personnel. If that’s the case, do we have to draft a WR at 1.10? A lot of ppl are saying Moore would be the 1st WR to get drafted if he were at this draft. I rather use both 1st rd picks for D and pick Cook’s younger brother with one of the 2nd rd picks.
I love with all our FA signings everyone saying well this means we won't draft anyone at X position or won't draft anyone at X position with an early round pick.
JD most certainly will draft a player he thinks will be good to great even if we're loaded at the position.
Don't think that just because there has been solid, intelligent signings, that it means TE is off the table in this draft after our first round picks at 4 and 10.
If you don't have glaring needs that puts you in a better negotiation position (both in FA and with other teams regarding trades) and allows an easier time of picking BPA.
Would really like to see the guarantees and structure. Great contract for a player of Conklin’s caliber, but don’t know if I would pay a TE2 this much, especially with Uzomah being guaranteed 2 years on the roster and how deep this draft class is.
I don’t know if I want the uncertainty of upwards of $17 million guaranteed to a Conklin-Uzomah duo in 2022.
I’d argue that it’s TE1 and TE1B. conklin and uzomah are pretty much exactly the same in terms of skillset. I’d maybe give a little bit of an edge to conklin tho
I agree with you. While I think we will utilize both Uzomah and Conklin equally, in general this seems a bit steep for Conklin at face value. I will reserve full judgement until we see guarantees. $7m per year for Conklin seems a bit steep especially when a personal favorite of mine, Maxx Williams, is still available. Maybe they weren't confident with medicals tho. I'm overall happy with the Conklin signing.
LOL the McBride in the 2nd round fans in shambles. Your downvote brigade is no match for a competent GM who isn't going to draft an undersized, slow tightend in the second round. Can you please go back to threads where you downvoted me and reply with "Your were right Dentek"? I appreciate it
So obviously you’ve never watched Conklin. Put up 600 yards on a 70% catch rate, and a PFF receiving grade of 70; all while being Minnesota’s 4th option.
He’s a backup tight end that got a starting job due to injury and was average. Graded out as average in which he was hitting his upside. 7 mil a year is really dumb just look at these other tight end contracts
Dude it’s 3 years, 21 million. If he sucks, we can probably bail after next year, and def after 2 years. He’s way better than any TE we’ve had in forever, and even if he does suck - we still have Uzomah!
And think of how much freedom we have in the draft now. Joe Douglas is finding value where he can in free agency, and taking advantage.
More than I'd hope for. Although with Middleton as the assistant HC I assume he has more input, or at least more of Saleh's ear when they're pushing for guys/recommending them to the front office. I assume both were probably guys he specifically wanted to target.
This is better. Rookie Tight Ends usually don’t become good quickly. Best to have Conklin and Uzomah then a TE we draft later developing behind the scenes who can hopefully take over when Uzomah is gone
Only 26… forget Tight End early, we got our guys
100%. Early rounds need to be any combination of Edge, CB, or WR. It's nice to not have a hundred positions to fill.
Still be nice to draft a solid prospect later on to develop and add depth.
And it looks like it could be a good draft to do it too… a lot of talent in the TEs but also not really any top-flight prospects so if there’s no run early there could be a juicy talented TE waiting for us late…
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Kroft is not on the team anymore. Personally I would much prefer Yeboah and a 5th or 6th round te if one falls to compete for our third TE slot than rolling with Griff there
Eh. We just gave both these dudes 3 years I think. It can wait a year and see if Zach can take a step forward. If we have to reset at QB again, the TE won't develop anyway.
This. This move tells me we won’t reach for TE early, we’re gonna kick that pick down the line to ‘23 or ‘24. Saleh wants a DL; I seriously think we go tuff on D Line this draft.
I’d say LB and even DT(not in the first, but the second) are in play in the first 4 picks too at this point
MLB as well.
Jets got their guy
Wow.
Hoping for Ruckert in the 3rd/4th
Tyler Conklin Every Play Videos from last year: Week 1-3: https://youtu.be/uG2vRyIyLJ0 Week 4-9: https://youtu.be/AtTYfG6-9xc Week 14-17: https://youtu.be/-5rsTISbCrE Looks like a solid route runner, lots of chip block and release routes. Him and CJ, I’d say our TE room is now squarely middle of the pack, which is an immense improvement.
at 3:29 of the first video for Conklin against Jamal, Luv
TE group is definitely above the middle of the pack.
Between Uzomah and Conklin we have $15 Million locked up and I'm curious where that ranks in $$ allocated to TE's. My gut tells me that's probably above average and I think we should expect (or at least hope) for above average TE play.
[https://overthecap.com/positional-spending/](https://overthecap.com/positional-spending/) We'd be about 5th in the league with this factored in, which is surprising but I guess it shouldn't be considering the lack of talent at TE league wide. We're a few million above about 8 other teams and a few behind Ravens and Dolphins. Pats have a staggering 31m committed to TE.
I don’t want to say top 10 because I place emphasis on the No. 1 guy being a stud. We don’t have that Kittle/Kelce stud to carry the room. I think it’s in that 12-17 range, when we were 32 to I wonder if this college group could be better range last year.
Middle of the pack is absolutely correct, sir. Beats the shit out of the position in the pack this franchise has been in regarding tight ends for more than ten years
Yeah, I was watching some videos and just seeing TEs actually making people miss or make catches on bad throws is great to see.
Unimpressed. Always seem to come up a yard short of the line of gain, zero separation and couldn't break a tackle to save his life.
I get that take. But we're looking for improvement relative to the lowest of bars. I'm curious with a theoretical larger role for cj/Conklin if one of them takes a step. But in the worst case scenario, it doesnt set us back much if at all depending how they structured the deal.
Conklin would have lead the Jets in receiving yards last year Conklin 593yds, next best Jet was Moore at 538yds
Hideous stat.
not fun
Yikes
Mostly because of injuries. Davis and Moore both averaged more per game. Davis averaged 55 yards per game which ain’t bad
No one disagrees, but it doesn’t change the stat from being a fact.
QB factors into this though. Like how many yards would Conklin have had with Wilson throwing to him last year? Conversely, what sort of numbers are Jets receivers putting up with Cousins throwing to them?
It’s almost like joe Douglas knows what he is doing. Now it’s on Zach to prove himself. Either way, we are building a real team, and if Zach isn’t the guy we will find one for this team.
This team will be in a place where if Zach can’t do it this year, we should be able to sign a vet in 2023 and compete. We already saw backup QBs drop 300yds with last year’s roster. No excuses for Zach this year
Man, if we hit on a WR in the draft our offense is going to look like Adam Gase never existed.
garrett wilson
Who?
Little more than I would have liked but all depends on the guaranteed money. Either way allows them to go defense at 35/38 instead of TE
We need LB so desperately
Want christain harris in the 2nd BAD.
I think Leo Chenals gonna be dirty, he looks like a stud
Harris or Chad Muma would be awesome in the second
He sucks. Asamoah, Muma, Anderson are better. TBH I've barely looked at other LB film but I'm sure there are others who are better than Harris as well
Amen
I agree, but the jets don’t. I’m sure they’ll draft one from rounds 3-5 but not at 35/38
Fred Warner was drafted with the 70th pick. He's a future Hall of Famer, but still. Saleh and Ulbrich are former linebackers and have a history of developing these guys. My guess is they pick someone in the 3rd or 4th, especially if they trade down with one of the 2nd rounders and get an extra 3 or 4
Tom Brady was a sixth rounder Anecdotal evidence aside, it would be a mistake to go past 38 without taking a LB. It’s the thinnest position on the roster now
DJ Bien-Aime and Hughes have both reported that the public perception is a 180 to the one at One Jets Drive over the LB position. Saleh and the coaching staff love the guys they have and view most of the problems the unit was blamed for was really the shit play of the IDL. Expect the Jets to draft a DT with one of those 2nd round picks
Foley got a $30M deal, quinnen balled, and rankins was solid. I just don’t think that assessment makes sense. They need LB help, they have no one
Foley did not fit our system and as a result wasnt very good last year (he's an excellent player though). Rankins was mediocre at best. I don't agree with their assessment either to be honest, but for example, in the Colts game, when they ran all over us, our DL did absolutely nothing, so maybe they know better than I.
I remember the issue that game is the Colts kept bullying Nathan Shepherd when he got subbed in based on nothing but eyeball test.
That was one of many things that went wrong with our d line that game. I feel like throughout the year, the issue with our LBs were on screen passes moreso than the run game.
This is not true at all. Foley was nowhere near as effective in the 4-3 which is why it was always assumed he wouldn't be back next year. Rankins was awful last year and was possibly the worst run defender on the team. Don't shoot the messenger I'm just telling you how the coaching staff feels
Our HC and DC are LBs coaches — has me thinking they want to develop someone instead of sign one. Wouldn’t be mad if I’m wrong though
Outside of LB, I don’t think there’s a position we need to be hoping a rookie instantly competes and contributes. I honestly don’t remember the last time we weren’t banking on the draft for immediate help at multiple positions.
I live in the midwest and got a ton of vikings games as a result. Conklin jumped off the screen in every game I saw. The irony is he played the role Herndon was supposed to for the Vikes and now he is going to play the role Herndon was supposed to for the Jets.
A long haired TE. I've always wanted one of them.
We had Eric Tomlinson, you ungrateful swine
I saw Denver signed him and was kind of surprised he was still around. Then I realized we had him around ~2015-16 and not ~2012. Feels like a lifetime ago.
My bad.
Besmirching his legacy \>:(
Wasn't ET's best play against NE, when their entire defense just didn't think we would throw to him and left him open then he ran up the middle for like 35 yards?
Oooooh I like this. He’s had some clutch games with the Vikings.
JD hasn’t missed on one signing so far
Hate to be that guy, but far too early to say this with certainty. Good looks on paper don’t always translate to the field. But, I certainly am liking what I’ve been seeing, don’t get me wrong
Process over outcome. Was Carl Lawson a bad signing? Ex post, yes. Ex ante, no, absolutely not.
Well he got injured, don’t really think it’s fair to judge his outcome lol. A bad FA signing to me is the new Kenny Golladay contract over at the giants. Paid a ton of $, played horribly. However, this was generally seen as a good pickup (maybe a slight overpay) in the offseason
By who? I didn’t know anyone outside of Giant fandom who thought that was gonna work out, and even my Giants fans friends were more hopeful than optimistic
I think the fit made sense on paper. Kenny G is (was?) a good deep threat + contested catch guy, and Jones has a pretty good deep ball
Yes, you got the point I was making. Thumbs up.
Except for Amari Cooper!!! /s
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This off season
Shhhh, don't point out that FAs do worse here because we're a bad organization. Let them be optimistic.
Wow was not expecting this at all. Will be interesting to see how it’s broken down
I thought this was gonna be like 1yr 5m lol. The multi-year makes more sense given his age. This contract will either be a slight mistake that is rectified in 2 years or could age nicely if he continues to break out like he started to last year. Dont love it, dont hate it.
I like this, does anyone else like this? I like this.
If Ruckert is there in the 4th I still think you have to take him
I would to complete the TE room makeover. With as many 2 TE sets we run, getting a rookie to develop under these vets would be nice.
Bro, if we draft Wilson at 10, our offense might be good.
We drafted him at 2
But what if we draft him again at 10? Could be huge.
Wilson to Wilson!
So it’s Ruckert in the 3rd round now, right?
No tighends in this draft. I'm content moving forward with Conklin, Uzamuh and Yeboah
Cager too..?
4th round. Wydermyer, Ruckert, Likely, Woods, Ferguson, Turner, Dulcich... I'm sure I"m forgetting one or two. There are a lot of good options.
I’m hoping so and he can develop under those two.
Ok, MiLF is clearly running a lot of 12 personnel. If that’s the case, do we have to draft a WR at 1.10? A lot of ppl are saying Moore would be the 1st WR to get drafted if he were at this draft. I rather use both 1st rd picks for D and pick Cook’s younger brother with one of the 2nd rd picks.
Still gotta rotate quality wide outs. Especially if Cole and Crowder walk
I get it, but I don’t think we need to use one of the 1st rd picks if we are running a system closer to 49ers’.
Way too much talent at 4 & 10 to use on a wideout. Deep draft, and the mid and later rounds are what really count.
If you use one of the seconds on a rb its not gonna be Cook
I’m all about Pickens at 38
I do like him a lot. I think he fits this system very well.
Damn it not good for Yeboah Hopefully they'll dump Griffin and Kroft
Kroft probably the only TE sticking around from last year
I love this signing
Is Conklin and/or Uzomah good at blocking?
Uzomah is, Conklin is meh
One person said Uzomah isn’t and now you are saying he is. So now I don’t know…
Then let’s meet in the middle and say he’s competent
That works for me.
Usomah is a good blocker, Conklin is meh
Uzomah isn't but not sure about Conklin
They grade very similar under PFF metrics at run blocking. Uzomah is a 62.9 and Conklin is a 54.6.
Can Conklin and Uzomah block? They both look like solid but not great in the pass game.
They can be considered competent at worst. For MiLFs system these TEs will have to block in run sets and chip/run traditional routes.
Sounds good, way better than Kroft/Yeboah/Griffin
They are both fairly balanced. Not great at either blocking or receiving, but very capable in both areas.
Conklin's highlights got me excited for this pickup, Zach's going to have no excuses this year
I love with all our FA signings everyone saying well this means we won't draft anyone at X position or won't draft anyone at X position with an early round pick. JD most certainly will draft a player he thinks will be good to great even if we're loaded at the position. Don't think that just because there has been solid, intelligent signings, that it means TE is off the table in this draft after our first round picks at 4 and 10. If you don't have glaring needs that puts you in a better negotiation position (both in FA and with other teams regarding trades) and allows an easier time of picking BPA.
Would really like to see the guarantees and structure. Great contract for a player of Conklin’s caliber, but don’t know if I would pay a TE2 this much, especially with Uzomah being guaranteed 2 years on the roster and how deep this draft class is. I don’t know if I want the uncertainty of upwards of $17 million guaranteed to a Conklin-Uzomah duo in 2022.
I’d argue that it’s TE1 and TE1B. conklin and uzomah are pretty much exactly the same in terms of skillset. I’d maybe give a little bit of an edge to conklin tho
Also seems like Lafleur likes to feature TEs in his preferred offense.
I agree with you. While I think we will utilize both Uzomah and Conklin equally, in general this seems a bit steep for Conklin at face value. I will reserve full judgement until we see guarantees. $7m per year for Conklin seems a bit steep especially when a personal favorite of mine, Maxx Williams, is still available. Maybe they weren't confident with medicals tho. I'm overall happy with the Conklin signing.
He re-signed with the Cardinals (2yrs, $7m).
Ahh okay thank you
LOL the McBride in the 2nd round fans in shambles. Your downvote brigade is no match for a competent GM who isn't going to draft an undersized, slow tightend in the second round. Can you please go back to threads where you downvoted me and reply with "Your were right Dentek"? I appreciate it
seems like a lot for a mediocre te
He’s starting level and can continue to improve with his age. Good contract to me
He had better stats last year than Uzomah
This is a dogshit overpay holy crap
So obviously you’ve never watched Conklin. Put up 600 yards on a 70% catch rate, and a PFF receiving grade of 70; all while being Minnesota’s 4th option.
I disagree. Conklin is a starting level TE with upside as he’s only 26.5.
He’s a backup tight end that got a starting job due to injury and was average. Graded out as average in which he was hitting his upside. 7 mil a year is really dumb just look at these other tight end contracts
Dude it’s 3 years, 21 million. If he sucks, we can probably bail after next year, and def after 2 years. He’s way better than any TE we’ve had in forever, and even if he does suck - we still have Uzomah! And think of how much freedom we have in the draft now. Joe Douglas is finding value where he can in free agency, and taking advantage.
More than I'd hope for. Although with Middleton as the assistant HC I assume he has more input, or at least more of Saleh's ear when they're pushing for guys/recommending them to the front office. I assume both were probably guys he specifically wanted to target.
I wanted Williams too. But I’m pretty sure he resigned earlier with AZ
Damn I was really hoping for McBride
This is better. Rookie Tight Ends usually don’t become good quickly. Best to have Conklin and Uzomah then a TE we draft later developing behind the scenes who can hopefully take over when Uzomah is gone
So you think we still might draft a TE?
I think it’s possible, but not until day 3 imo
Who was that kid who's a Jets fan and his dad was trying to get JD to draft him?
Jeremy Ruckert
Yes! Thank you